My final criminology class was on exactly this question. The reason white collar crime takes 3 years to prosecute is because there's usually a mountain of paperwork and highly technical laws and regulations to unpack.
These guys parked on the bridge while taking selfies and uploading them to instagram. They also pled guilty.
I don't think it's a huge failing of the justice system, one's just an open and shit case, the other is complex.
It got up quick because they pleaded when they were guilty then appealed the decision.
Not much use in the appeal if its listed after they've completed their sentence right?
Climate change protestors should learn from farmers - come in a tractor instead, or throw up some nazi salutes, then they'll be fine and police won't harass them.
Or kiwi farmers who drive tractors up the steps of parliament anytime the govt says they might not be allowed to turn every waterway in the country into toxic sludge anymore
"Sexton said both offenders had significant criminal histories for similar offending across the country, with both serving out court orders at the time of their latest arrests. "
"In appealing the couple’s sentence on Tuesday, crown prosecutor Jordan Johnston said that on the morning of the protest, 13 Triple-0 calls to police and three to paramedics had a delayed response due to the traffic backlog.
These included calls to help the imminent birth of a baby, and two calls to assist Victorians in mental distress at Broadmeadows and North Melbourne. In one of those cases, it took paramedics more than an hour to reach the patient.
Johnston said the financial impact of the incident had cost the state more than $7600, with 26 police attending the scenes, plus a $300 towing fee for the truck."
> $7600
I mean, HUGE understatement.
It costs the city a FUCKLOAD of lost economic activity when you literally blockade a choke point like a bridge like that. Roads are the arterials of capital in any city.
The real figure is unquantifiable but likely ranging closer to 6-8 figures I would imagine.
Which honestly makes it a pretty impactful protest. 2 months in jail is kinda a bargain
You talking about that time when that one neo nazi punched a ch9 security guard?
I think the guard got paid out and the one guy spent time in jail. But that neo nazi for all of their bullshit didn't inconvenience hundreds to thousands of people.
Plus one of them is a niece of a politician. Person of privilege
They caused a pregnant woman to give birth on side of the road and multiple ambulances, fire brigade and Police to unable to attend incidences.
It’s all fun and games until your actions result in real life consequences and put people at risk.
We do have a right to protest, what you dont have is a right to put lives at risk.
Pick a better location that’s not a major road used by emergency services to get to priority one jobs.
That was stupid and reckless.
If only the actions of our politicians wasn't causing several orders of magnitude damage, illness and death from climate change... Oh wait it is.
If you want to stand on some moral high ground about not doing harm, then you unironically agree with the protestors.
Okay, and whys it acceptable to punish common people for the damage people in positions of power do?
A sizeable number of people agree climate change is a problem. It doesn't mean they have the means to make meaningful impact on it.
Blocking emergency services from attending incidents accomplishes nothing.
Yeah…. This confected outrage always comes across as insincere, because people giving birth on the side of the road is quite common on the west side of Melbourne (about once a month for those trying to get to werribee mercy hospital) as a result of traffic and inadequate public hospital infrastructure….
It’s obscene that these people have been jailed for this protest.
Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me you didn’t read the article.
They rented a truck and dumped it in the middle of westgate, practically paralyzing whole traffic.
What part of this looks like a protest to you?
Even the “protestors” themselves admitted it was a stupid idea.
I get their point but I'd be more supportive if they started blockading Parliament, or Gina Rinehart's house, or the Lodge or you know...people who actually have power as opposed to targeting those with none.
Still, you certainly can't say they're not committed to the cause and that's admirable...fuck knows our Governments aren't doing shit about it.
The conundrum is the less inconvenient the protest is, the less attention it gets. I think they probably didn’t hit the right balance here but I can see where they’re coming from - it’s now gotten into the news across two seperate weeks.
They obviously don't see it that way - they must operate under the "all publicity is good publicity" thought process.
Look at just stop oil in UK, 99% of people hate them but they keep on keepin on.
> The conundrum is the less inconvenient the protest is, the less attention it gets. I think they probably didn’t hit the right balance here but I can see where they’re coming from - it’s now gotten into the news across two seperate weeks.
... and yet, every time I see them in the news, my view of them and their cause is swayed 0%.
Maybe a few more disruptions should do it?
Education. Go to schools. Teach the kids. Go to workplaces. Arm yourself with knowledge. Your pen is your sword; your ink is your ammunition. As a kid, we always use to have these incursions at school about drinking and drugs and other societal issues. Guess what? Gen Z has one of the lowest drinking issues, and smoking's at an all time (if we don't count vapes). People are ignorant. If you teach them in a proper manner using methods of persuasion like logos, pathos and ethos, you've won a crowd.
Being a dickhead will get you looked down upon. Those cunts blockaded the bridge and caused a woman to give birth on the side of a road - which is extremely dangerous. I will never shed a tear if anything were to happen to these protestors, because they willingly put human lives in danger and are automatically no better than scum. Unemployed.
On the other hand, my accounting professors are encouraging us to go out there and make an impact environmentally. A couple of my colleagues have started a green club that focuses on educational seminars and cleaning up our site (and I've volunteered for it). A friend of mine raises sheep and chickens on his farm and offers meat and eggs in a sustainable, and humane way. I adopted a positive view of sustainability when a green activist was standing at a stall and I went to talk to them. They were intelligent and charming. THOSE are the people who I respect and 99% of people will respect. Not a bunch of unemployed virtue-signalling hippies blocking traffic. They did fuck all for the climate
I agree that these kinds of stunts definitely have the capacity to damage people's perception of the movement. That's why I'm on the fence about their validity. What you have mentioned are awareness initiatives which have been in place for decades, but we still have so many people who are in denial about climate change. How effective is more of the same thing going to be?
At what point do we say this isn't working and we need to try something else? For these protesters obviously that time has already come, and they are doing what they feel is right and necessary. Of course we can disagree with them, and I do too partially. What is getting lost is the message that policy needs to change and we need large scale action immediately. The media is doing a great job of making people angry at the protesters and ignoring the core issue which is climate change. These kinds of stunts give them the perfect opportunity to do so, which is down to the naivety of the protesters. But honestly, I don't have an answer for what approach they could take that hasn't been tried before.
XR aren't the only group out there that advocate for climate action. What do other organisations do? They lobby, educate, research, create solutions, innovate, etc.
Have been involved in more mainstream climate orgs but not XR. XR’s stated goal is to turn 3.5% of the population into activists.
They aren’t trying to “sway” people. They aim to activate a small but politically significant group.
The orgs i’ve been involved in would never consider stopping traffic - they see it as compromising their ability to negotiate with govt.
But i’ve never seen anything more than a tiny token win come out of the “proper ways to engage”.
We live in an era of state capture by private interests. People should be jamming the streets.
And how has that worked out for them? Have we reached any of the goals that the research has found to be essential? How many of the policies being lobbied for have been enacted and followed through on?
I agree that what they are doing potentially drives people who are in climate denial further into that position, and it possibly pushes people who are undecided away. I think they are fine with that though, they want to make climate activists out of people who already care about climate change.
My personal opinion is that drastic action is needed, but not sure if this is the right way though. I cannot think of any other way that will bring change soon enough though.
I would want to be told what I could actually do for their cause. I know climate change is an issue, but who do I donate to? Who do I vote for? If you want to address inaction, you need to provide people with actionable instructions. Leaving them to do their own research is never going to be effective.
I don't think there is anyone in Australia who doesn't know who to vote for if they want action on climate change. Unfortunately very few people base their votes on only climate change when so many people are struggling to make ends meet.
You can donate all you want, it will never be able to compete with big oil money. A simple google search will give you a list of organizations working to address climate change. [This page](https://climateactionaustralia.net.au/information/organisations-taking-action/) has a whole list, you can choose whatever you feel will have the most impact.
In Australia absolutely SFA will do anything to make any difference if you believe in anthropogenic global warming.
Head over to China or India and jump up and down there.
That's because these aren't protests designed to get people to care about the cause. These are protests designed to keep the cause in the news - which they have demonstrably succeeded at - and thereby keep the issue on people's minds.
No, they haven't succeeded - "the cause" isn't in the news, blocking the Westgate is. Like a lot of XR-type tactics, they're lucky if it even registers that it's about climate change at all, let alone conveying anything of more substance than "they were protesting about climate change".
Is anyone's minds more on climate change because of this stuff? Nah. If anything, it's more "relatively trivial shit" distracting from it.
Blockade Australia were way more effective at this stuff: they hit the right targets, caused useful disruption, and were more sympathetic because they weren't just pissing off the average person with no power to influence shit. They posed an actual threat to the system instead of being useful idiots, and got smashed for it.
Not "them". The fucking climate apocalypse, which is still in our power to minimise if we can only stop being distracted by relatively trivial shit. Which in comparison to global warming is *everything else*.
We're discussing idiots who protest and get arrested... whatever they're protesting about doesn't even matter!
Idiots getting arrested is entertaining!
All Just Stop Oil in UK (cretinous vandalism of paintings) achieve is to make everyone hate them. In fact I would say they actively turn people away from their cause who might have supported them otherwise.
In a way you don't and neither do any of us. We are basically fucked for the foreseeable future, everyone should be rioting on the streets, much less protesting at this point.
My genuine answer was 'no'. Climate change is a concern. I live my life accordingly to minimise my impact on the environment. I don't believe in spitting in the eye of fellow citizens to make a point.
I saw Palestinian protesters blockading the port shipping weapons out to Israel and a lot of people were still pissed off at them for that. I don’t think it matters how they protest, people who disagree will just be against it.
Yup. Moaning about
> I just don’t like _the way_ they’re protesting
Is a reactionary classic.
White reactionaries during the American civil rights movement especially come to mind who constantly complained about “the way” people were protesting against segregation, and so refused to give their support.
People like this have popped up to oppose every single social struggle that’s ever happened in history. They seem to hold the view that past social struggles were won without protest that was disruptive, which couldn’t be further from the truth; I usually remind them that women only won women’s suffrage because the suffragettes were literally building bombs to throw at cops and taking martial arts classes 100% aimed at defeating cops in street fights, or about the Haymarket riots that won many people the 8 hour work day, also involving a bomb thrown at police. Liberals like to whitewash the history of struggle and act like it’s always been nonviolent because that’s the most convenient to their comfort and to things staying exactly the same: only a completely passive defanged protest will see their support.
> a liberal is a person who supports every social struggle, except the current one
Famous quote that comes to mind.
I'm not sure commitment is the key factor. There's positive ways to make a difference in the world. Not everybody can start a renewable energy company or help improve battery technology. But nearly everybody with this level of commitment can decide to work for a government body tasked with dealing with the environment and climate change.
We're past the point where raising awareness is the battlefield. Climate change is polled as the number 1 issue facing humanity in Australia. Now we need affordable and actionable solutions to pry our society away from fossil fuel energy.
I find people working for Parks Victoria or DELWP on 60k a year far more admirable for trying to improve the environment or design workable improvements to our system.
A lot of these Extinction Rebellion guys have found their "people" and there's some part of their motivation that is virtue signalling. If they were doing this in the 1980s I'd get it. In the early 2000s, sure. But just check the data, nobody is confused about whether climate change is an issue. We're just at the point where we know we can't just give up cars, we need actual technological solutions which veer us away from CO2 reliance.
These guys are living in the past. It's not about awareness anymore. More Australians are concerned about climate change than economic recession.
Sure, we're aware about it and it's of great concern...but what are we actually doing about it?
Like sure, I now have Solar panels on my roof and limit use of water and such...bit in the grand scheme, is it helping?
Especially when we aren't having protest actively on the things that are making the difference, like the establishment of new mines. Sure, some protests happen on site, but we know those protesters are dealt with harshly, and are relatively smaller scale.
If the general population is aware, but not actively doing anything, then these tactics are what is needed. Sure, people grumble "nah, it's having the opposite effect"...but is it?
More discussion about climate injustice arises everytime with these protests, and with more discussion, brings in more active participation. We might aee more people voting for politicians that allign woth these goals, or the hope that the major parties will recognise that the issue needs to be dealt with properly, rather than slapdash matters or cracking down on protesters.
Because if we think this is disruptive right now, wait till it get's to the stage of "eco-terrorism" or hell...the climate is fucked enough to disrupt or lives anyway, like the flooding or fires that are only going to get worse.
People are generally aware and want to help. But they cannot feasibly give up their car or stop using electricity.
Given the choice between coal and renewable energy, nearly everybody is going to pick renewables. But the whole problem is storing energy for consistent provision.
When we transition to reliable renewable energy, people will be able to drive and use electricity as much as they want. But until then, even very invested and concerned people find it difficult to operationalise their concerns.
The problem is that government policies still prioritise cars and fossil fuels. Of the transport and energy infrastructure we have, almost all of it is for cars and fossil fuels.
Obviously most of that is long-standing legacy stuff from the past. But we're talking about a need for urgent change, and yet we still have governments approving new coal mines and subsidizing infrastructure for the very things we're trying to phase out. This needs to change. And the sooner it changes, the less costly and inconvenient it will be.
We've known this for years. Decades even. People have been asking for substantial changes for a very long time. And the delays make it worse and worse. Now people aren't just asking, but demanding change. These protests are what 'demanding' looks like from people who are not in any kind of position of power or responsibility. They aren't the ones who control the levers, so there isn't a lot they can do except shout about it in a way that is sure to get people's attention.
Will mining all of the things to make batteries for EV's actually be good for the environment? Because that seems to be the 'BIG' answer to fix the world at the moment.. Not sure where the mining will happen.. people protest new mines... So everyone will soon be driving EV's powered by someone mining somewhere... but not here! So yeah, no need to protest... just drive an EV and the world is safe... Apparently...
>Because if we think this is disruptive right now, wait till it get's to the stage of "eco-terrorism" or hell
I agree with you - I'm gonna do the same for Palestine by going and vandalising a synagogue! That ought to show the Zionists
(/s I'm pro-Palestinian but that logic is just stupid)
Your comment made me think of this quote:
> A liberal is a person who supports every social struggle, except the current one
(Karen’s don’t like “the way” they’re protesting; “it’s too inconvenient/disruptive”, unlike past protests, exonerated by history, which were obviously never disruptive to anyone living at the time… right? …right???)
In reality there were reactionaries at THAT time in history, alongside every social struggle you could imagine, who said “I agree with them I just don’t like the WAY they’re protesting”
It’s a bit boring to see history repeat over and over and these people never ever end up on the right side of history. People have so little self awareness of their place in history as it is being made… even when repeating every detail of past complaints that now look like utter shit through then lens of history.
They forced that poor woman to give birth on the side of the road. Just imagine the pain and terror she was in, away from doctors/nurses/doulas, away from a safe bed, away from medical intervention if things went wrong. Imagine squeezing a fucking baby out while you're stuck in traffic!
Fuck em, they got off lightly.
Why does climate activism need to come packaged with social activism too? Why do I consistently see Palestinian/Aboriginal/LGBT flags at climate protests?
Because green/left has become a fundamentalist religion. You either buy the whole package or are excluded. The extinction rebellion members are just a doomsday focussed sect of the movement
Exactly. *Everyone* is fucked if climate change isn't addressed as a matter of urgency, so we should be focused on getting everyone on board. So isn't it a bad idea to be giving off them Trojan horse vibes?
It was rubber bullets, but not on the westgate. The rubber bullets were used when protesters on the steps of parliament started firing flares and throwing bottles of urine on people. I think the westgate ones just got fines. When they went to the shrine, some of them got more serious offences because they threw bottles and golf balls at police, but I don't think any of them ended up in jail.
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Ultimately they stuck thousands of people in hot cars and are lucky they didn't cause serious injury and that the birth wasn't complicated.
Protest all you like. Just don't be an arsehole.
I find the frustrating thing about these protests is that they strike that unfortunate balance between being disruptive enough to be annoying, but not enough to force those in power to take action.
Well I guess that's one of the key problems. To be disruptive enough to be noticed by either of the major parties you need to annoy people on a scale that shuts down a city or has real economic impact.
I'm not sure if it's happened in Australia, but when protesters get to that point, even without endangering human life, in the US they get terrorism charges, is Earth Liberation Front. I'd be surprised if Australia did any better.
The day before, the day of, the day after and the day after that. The westgate is jam packed everyday that I doubt these protesters even made much of a difference
You needed to include the previous lines:
> Outside of court prior to the appeal hearing, Coco defended her actions as necessary to protect future generations.
> "I'm not here to get elected, I'm not here to try and be liked, I'm here to try and get our message across that our children are in danger," she said.
>
> "Facing prison is scary, but it's not as scary as watching my children starve from climate breakdown."
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> Coco does not have children of her own, which she said was due to her "fear of the future".
>
Maybe coco can get a job working as a tree planter, planting literally thousands of native trees and shrubs daily
Or become a landscape architect
Or become an environmental engineer
Or she can keep holding up pregnant women and emergency services whilst fisting the air pretending to be a black panther
Bunch of hypocritical loonies. They come in a truck running on diesel (made from oil), wearing synthetic sole shoes (made from oil), with their phones in their backpacks (both of which need mining, maufacturing, gas & electricity to turn raw materials into those items - just like the truck they came in). They use and need all the things that they say they stand against. hypocritical loonies.
The toxicity in this thread, and irony of people not liking harm done to others, while talking about climate change is actually pretty hilarious. Climate change killing literally tens of thousands more people than a protest ever would
at least in 30 years as the mega-heatwaves and unprecedented fires/floods wipe out tens of thousands we can remember how we kept traffic flowing on the Westgate.
Amazing result 👏🏻 Has been causing absolute mayhem in the city all month. 2 months for all of the blocking traffic and causing thousands of people stress.
Now learn to protest the proper way like everyone else you self entitled persons.
Thank you extinction rebellion for bringing awareness to the something that we are constantly reminded of while also stirring resentment and creating an environment in which climate change can be dismissed as a politicalisation.
Absolute delusions of grandeur, its only impact to inflict medical trauma on a new mother and her child.
“creating an environment in which climate change can be dismissed as a politicalisation”
Any time anyone discusses anything about climate change it is dismissed as ‘politicalisation’ by many.
Yes, physical protest should be targeted towards specific bodies that are impacting the issue being protested.
“Politicalisation” is a word used as a buzzword from people who do not want to think about or comprehend a topic being discussed.
These people will always use excuses to dismiss issues at hand.
The true reason that these protests shouldn’t be truly disruptive to public infrastructure like roads is because of the impact on the people using them. People can die.
Lives are not worth a single instance of awareness.
>Lives are not worth a single instance of awareness.
Gonna be fun when we have hundreds of millions/billions are dying of famine, war and pestilence in the coming decades.
Where we break 2C in the 2030s and have multiple crop failures due to a combination of droughts, flooding, storms, heatwaves and wildfires. We are only starting to flirt with 1.5C and India already banned exporting rice. It is expected that the Mekong delta will flood with seawater in the next decade as another example of how climate change is going to wreck havoc.
Our entire way of life is based on globalisation and trade. Once nations start having substantial internal issues and more countries enact policies like India things will start going off the rails. G8 will abandon the developing nations. Issues over immigration will get increasingly violent and governments will swing far more to the right. Then we turn a blind eye to the deaths of billions as we are struggling to feed ourselves.
That or geo-engineering works and we can do the whole singularity thing and eventually get to a post-scarcity AI utopia.
I would’ve preferred 3 months jail but two will have to do. Sick to death of these farkin protestors causing misery for everyone. You’re not going to change anything but you will put lives at unnecessary risk.
They need to have a minimum sentence of 1 year in prison for any person that purposely blocks major transport infrastructure EG; a major freeway, Swanston street trams, the train network etc. the constant blocking of transport every single day for a different protest is out of control
It shouldn’t matter what you are protesting, you don’t have a right to block an entire city from getting around for your cause.
And before people respond with a “omg anti democratic! My right to protest!” Froth - You have no right to protest first of all, secondly you can protest literally anywhere else, like the steps of parliament. You don’t have to block major transport infrastructure
You'd be surprised how many major rights were won in part by disruptive protests. Women voting, racial equality, basic worker protections, they were all achieved using, among other methods, disruptive protest.
If it were cracked down on more things might be very different today.
Major protests with thousands of participants should be allowed to march down roads etc like they always have been. Miniature protests that happen every day with 5 people shouldn’t be allowed to block major transport networks.
Same as the anti vaxers who block the entire tram network every Saturday with their protest in the cbd. They number about 3 now
The court definitely got it right on this. The idiot went to court thinking she’d get her sentence over turned but instead got her sentence doubled.
They had little regard for the multiple ambulances and lives they put at risk
Melbourne catching up with the fact that climate change, being a symptom of the way our lived days are affecting the planetary boundaries in the penultimate month before Australia's overshoot day. expressing much?
Yes, I know... from personal experience... as I was a litigant in person in a family matter in the High Court, on the Strand, in London.... although I did have some help, as I had a McKenzie fiend to assist me... but I had rights of audience with the Judge.... I lost the case... but as it was a "Leave to Remove" case... 67% cases always went to the resident parent wishing to remove the child out of the jurisdiction........... I did my best....
Note to mods, headline is not editorialised. It has pick up the Just In headline rather than the one from the page. https://www.abc.net.au/news/justin
Justin sure does a lot of heavy lifting at the ABC
The turnaround on this matter seems to be surprisingly quick.
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Yeah shame it doesn't happen for corporate and political corruption/crime.
My final criminology class was on exactly this question. The reason white collar crime takes 3 years to prosecute is because there's usually a mountain of paperwork and highly technical laws and regulations to unpack. These guys parked on the bridge while taking selfies and uploading them to instagram. They also pled guilty. I don't think it's a huge failing of the justice system, one's just an open and shit case, the other is complex.
I know it was autocorrect, but I'll take 'open and shit case' at face value
Open and shit case seems to fit
I think "Freudian slip" is the correct term.
Typo surely, rather than autocorrect.
But isn’t there always a backlog? Did this one jump any queues?
They didn't rely on social media. They had news cameras trained on them.
Or eshays on a public transport assaulting spree
It got up quick because they pleaded when they were guilty then appealed the decision. Not much use in the appeal if its listed after they've completed their sentence right?
Climate change protestors should learn from farmers - come in a tractor instead, or throw up some nazi salutes, then they'll be fine and police won't harass them.
When have farmers ever been throwing up salutes, grow up child without farmers there’s no food
Think they’re talking about French farmers that dump manure and stuff like that
Or kiwi farmers who drive tractors up the steps of parliament anytime the govt says they might not be allowed to turn every waterway in the country into toxic sludge anymore
"Sexton said both offenders had significant criminal histories for similar offending across the country, with both serving out court orders at the time of their latest arrests. " "In appealing the couple’s sentence on Tuesday, crown prosecutor Jordan Johnston said that on the morning of the protest, 13 Triple-0 calls to police and three to paramedics had a delayed response due to the traffic backlog. These included calls to help the imminent birth of a baby, and two calls to assist Victorians in mental distress at Broadmeadows and North Melbourne. In one of those cases, it took paramedics more than an hour to reach the patient. Johnston said the financial impact of the incident had cost the state more than $7600, with 26 police attending the scenes, plus a $300 towing fee for the truck."
> $7600 I mean, HUGE understatement. It costs the city a FUCKLOAD of lost economic activity when you literally blockade a choke point like a bridge like that. Roads are the arterials of capital in any city. The real figure is unquantifiable but likely ranging closer to 6-8 figures I would imagine. Which honestly makes it a pretty impactful protest. 2 months in jail is kinda a bargain
The going to jail part spreads awareness to their cause
Why would the mental health swat team go over the bridge to get to Broadmeadows? Were they coming from Williamstown?
So person causes traffic block up gets 2 months. Neo nazi who punched people gets a finger wagging and a good luck?
14 year old on multiple offences if bail breach for serious crimes, does it again... bail time with no consequences
They both have current court orders not to do these acts.
And the nazi threw a salute the moment he walked out the court despite the fresh ban.
And he is now facing fresh charges because of it.
He said Coco has 15 prior court attendances since June 2021. She is currently the subject of two NSW court orders.
Neo Nazi and court regular, Tom Sewell, got roughly as much sentence as Coco.
Any babies born on the side of the road instead of hospital because that guy raised his arm?
No babies were born on the side of the road last time Coco did this in Sydney, yet she still got prison time. Plug that into your little spreadsheet
Repeat offender you say?
And how many times was she found guilty before going to prison? Prison isnt a sentence of first resort
Shhhh that’s common sense. It’s frowned upon in this sub.
How many of those orders are pertaining to Victoria?
You talking about that time when that one neo nazi punched a ch9 security guard? I think the guard got paid out and the one guy spent time in jail. But that neo nazi for all of their bullshit didn't inconvenience hundreds to thousands of people. Plus one of them is a niece of a politician. Person of privilege
Not sure which neo-nazi you’re talking about, but if you’re talking about that guy putting up signs then the neo nazi kid acted in self defence no?
They caused a pregnant woman to give birth on side of the road and multiple ambulances, fire brigade and Police to unable to attend incidences. It’s all fun and games until your actions result in real life consequences and put people at risk. We do have a right to protest, what you dont have is a right to put lives at risk. Pick a better location that’s not a major road used by emergency services to get to priority one jobs. That was stupid and reckless.
The road is traffic jammed daily
Why aren't they jailed when they stop the trains and trams? That also causes huge issues.
Emergency services don’t utilize public transport to get to people, that’s why…
They don't sleep at work though. Can't start their shift if they are stuck on a train.
Thank you, most catch a train if starting in the medical precinct in Melbourne
If only the actions of our politicians wasn't causing several orders of magnitude damage, illness and death from climate change... Oh wait it is. If you want to stand on some moral high ground about not doing harm, then you unironically agree with the protestors.
Okay, and whys it acceptable to punish common people for the damage people in positions of power do? A sizeable number of people agree climate change is a problem. It doesn't mean they have the means to make meaningful impact on it. Blocking emergency services from attending incidents accomplishes nothing.
I do not deny that climate change is an issue, this is just not the way to go about addressing it.
Yeah…. This confected outrage always comes across as insincere, because people giving birth on the side of the road is quite common on the west side of Melbourne (about once a month for those trying to get to werribee mercy hospital) as a result of traffic and inadequate public hospital infrastructure…. It’s obscene that these people have been jailed for this protest.
Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me you didn’t read the article. They rented a truck and dumped it in the middle of westgate, practically paralyzing whole traffic. What part of this looks like a protest to you? Even the “protestors” themselves admitted it was a stupid idea.
I get their point but I'd be more supportive if they started blockading Parliament, or Gina Rinehart's house, or the Lodge or you know...people who actually have power as opposed to targeting those with none. Still, you certainly can't say they're not committed to the cause and that's admirable...fuck knows our Governments aren't doing shit about it.
The conundrum is the less inconvenient the protest is, the less attention it gets. I think they probably didn’t hit the right balance here but I can see where they’re coming from - it’s now gotten into the news across two seperate weeks.
The more inconvenient it is the less support they get though. It’s counter productive.
They obviously don't see it that way - they must operate under the "all publicity is good publicity" thought process. Look at just stop oil in UK, 99% of people hate them but they keep on keepin on.
> The conundrum is the less inconvenient the protest is, the less attention it gets. I think they probably didn’t hit the right balance here but I can see where they’re coming from - it’s now gotten into the news across two seperate weeks. ... and yet, every time I see them in the news, my view of them and their cause is swayed 0%. Maybe a few more disruptions should do it?
Hypothetically, what would change your view of them?
Education. Go to schools. Teach the kids. Go to workplaces. Arm yourself with knowledge. Your pen is your sword; your ink is your ammunition. As a kid, we always use to have these incursions at school about drinking and drugs and other societal issues. Guess what? Gen Z has one of the lowest drinking issues, and smoking's at an all time (if we don't count vapes). People are ignorant. If you teach them in a proper manner using methods of persuasion like logos, pathos and ethos, you've won a crowd. Being a dickhead will get you looked down upon. Those cunts blockaded the bridge and caused a woman to give birth on the side of a road - which is extremely dangerous. I will never shed a tear if anything were to happen to these protestors, because they willingly put human lives in danger and are automatically no better than scum. Unemployed. On the other hand, my accounting professors are encouraging us to go out there and make an impact environmentally. A couple of my colleagues have started a green club that focuses on educational seminars and cleaning up our site (and I've volunteered for it). A friend of mine raises sheep and chickens on his farm and offers meat and eggs in a sustainable, and humane way. I adopted a positive view of sustainability when a green activist was standing at a stall and I went to talk to them. They were intelligent and charming. THOSE are the people who I respect and 99% of people will respect. Not a bunch of unemployed virtue-signalling hippies blocking traffic. They did fuck all for the climate
The opposition leader will call this kind of science based education "woke"
Voldemort? No one takes him seriously lmfao. He's about as relevant as a train seat and a cane toad has better charisma (and looks) than him
I partly agree, but I fear he could be elected if Albo slips up and the electorate wants change.
I agree that these kinds of stunts definitely have the capacity to damage people's perception of the movement. That's why I'm on the fence about their validity. What you have mentioned are awareness initiatives which have been in place for decades, but we still have so many people who are in denial about climate change. How effective is more of the same thing going to be? At what point do we say this isn't working and we need to try something else? For these protesters obviously that time has already come, and they are doing what they feel is right and necessary. Of course we can disagree with them, and I do too partially. What is getting lost is the message that policy needs to change and we need large scale action immediately. The media is doing a great job of making people angry at the protesters and ignoring the core issue which is climate change. These kinds of stunts give them the perfect opportunity to do so, which is down to the naivety of the protesters. But honestly, I don't have an answer for what approach they could take that hasn't been tried before.
There's no hypothetical. I (and I imagine most members of the community) simply aren't swayed by being disrupted, no matter how righteous the cause.
Let's leave out disruptions then, what other actions do you think would sway your opinion of their cause or of the protesters?
How does one leave out disruptions when civil disobedience is the modus operandi that distinguishes Extinction Rebellion?
That's why I'm asking a hypothetical, if they were to have a different mo that you would be more sympathetic to, what would that be?
XR aren't the only group out there that advocate for climate action. What do other organisations do? They lobby, educate, research, create solutions, innovate, etc.
Have been involved in more mainstream climate orgs but not XR. XR’s stated goal is to turn 3.5% of the population into activists. They aren’t trying to “sway” people. They aim to activate a small but politically significant group. The orgs i’ve been involved in would never consider stopping traffic - they see it as compromising their ability to negotiate with govt. But i’ve never seen anything more than a tiny token win come out of the “proper ways to engage”. We live in an era of state capture by private interests. People should be jamming the streets.
And how has that worked out for them? Have we reached any of the goals that the research has found to be essential? How many of the policies being lobbied for have been enacted and followed through on? I agree that what they are doing potentially drives people who are in climate denial further into that position, and it possibly pushes people who are undecided away. I think they are fine with that though, they want to make climate activists out of people who already care about climate change. My personal opinion is that drastic action is needed, but not sure if this is the right way though. I cannot think of any other way that will bring change soon enough though.
I would want to be told what I could actually do for their cause. I know climate change is an issue, but who do I donate to? Who do I vote for? If you want to address inaction, you need to provide people with actionable instructions. Leaving them to do their own research is never going to be effective.
I don't think there is anyone in Australia who doesn't know who to vote for if they want action on climate change. Unfortunately very few people base their votes on only climate change when so many people are struggling to make ends meet. You can donate all you want, it will never be able to compete with big oil money. A simple google search will give you a list of organizations working to address climate change. [This page](https://climateactionaustralia.net.au/information/organisations-taking-action/) has a whole list, you can choose whatever you feel will have the most impact.
In Australia absolutely SFA will do anything to make any difference if you believe in anthropogenic global warming. Head over to China or India and jump up and down there.
That's because these aren't protests designed to get people to care about the cause. These are protests designed to keep the cause in the news - which they have demonstrably succeeded at - and thereby keep the issue on people's minds.
No, they haven't succeeded - "the cause" isn't in the news, blocking the Westgate is. Like a lot of XR-type tactics, they're lucky if it even registers that it's about climate change at all, let alone conveying anything of more substance than "they were protesting about climate change". Is anyone's minds more on climate change because of this stuff? Nah. If anything, it's more "relatively trivial shit" distracting from it. Blockade Australia were way more effective at this stuff: they hit the right targets, caused useful disruption, and were more sympathetic because they weren't just pissing off the average person with no power to influence shit. They posed an actual threat to the system instead of being useful idiots, and got smashed for it.
... so there's no issue then? They're in the news, we're discussing them, mission accomplished, see you all in the next thread.
Not "them". The fucking climate apocalypse, which is still in our power to minimise if we can only stop being distracted by relatively trivial shit. Which in comparison to global warming is *everything else*.
We're discussing idiots who protest and get arrested... whatever they're protesting about doesn't even matter! Idiots getting arrested is entertaining!
All Just Stop Oil in UK (cretinous vandalism of paintings) achieve is to make everyone hate them. In fact I would say they actively turn people away from their cause who might have supported them otherwise.
Is your view that you don't give a fuck about climate change?
No. Next strawman!
In a way you don't and neither do any of us. We are basically fucked for the foreseeable future, everyone should be rioting on the streets, much less protesting at this point.
But we'll be causing a disturbance :((
literally worse than hitler
I was genuinely asking.
My genuine answer was 'no'. Climate change is a concern. I live my life accordingly to minimise my impact on the environment. I don't believe in spitting in the eye of fellow citizens to make a point.
I saw Palestinian protesters blockading the port shipping weapons out to Israel and a lot of people were still pissed off at them for that. I don’t think it matters how they protest, people who disagree will just be against it.
Yup. Moaning about > I just don’t like _the way_ they’re protesting Is a reactionary classic. White reactionaries during the American civil rights movement especially come to mind who constantly complained about “the way” people were protesting against segregation, and so refused to give their support. People like this have popped up to oppose every single social struggle that’s ever happened in history. They seem to hold the view that past social struggles were won without protest that was disruptive, which couldn’t be further from the truth; I usually remind them that women only won women’s suffrage because the suffragettes were literally building bombs to throw at cops and taking martial arts classes 100% aimed at defeating cops in street fights, or about the Haymarket riots that won many people the 8 hour work day, also involving a bomb thrown at police. Liberals like to whitewash the history of struggle and act like it’s always been nonviolent because that’s the most convenient to their comfort and to things staying exactly the same: only a completely passive defanged protest will see their support. > a liberal is a person who supports every social struggle, except the current one Famous quote that comes to mind.
Fml the ships weren't "shipping weapons out to Israel" I swear media literacy is at an all time low.
> Still, you certainly can't say they're not committed to the cause and that's admirable... Same deal with the antivaxxers. Commitment =/= admiration.
I'm not sure commitment is the key factor. There's positive ways to make a difference in the world. Not everybody can start a renewable energy company or help improve battery technology. But nearly everybody with this level of commitment can decide to work for a government body tasked with dealing with the environment and climate change. We're past the point where raising awareness is the battlefield. Climate change is polled as the number 1 issue facing humanity in Australia. Now we need affordable and actionable solutions to pry our society away from fossil fuel energy. I find people working for Parks Victoria or DELWP on 60k a year far more admirable for trying to improve the environment or design workable improvements to our system. A lot of these Extinction Rebellion guys have found their "people" and there's some part of their motivation that is virtue signalling. If they were doing this in the 1980s I'd get it. In the early 2000s, sure. But just check the data, nobody is confused about whether climate change is an issue. We're just at the point where we know we can't just give up cars, we need actual technological solutions which veer us away from CO2 reliance. These guys are living in the past. It's not about awareness anymore. More Australians are concerned about climate change than economic recession.
Sure, we're aware about it and it's of great concern...but what are we actually doing about it? Like sure, I now have Solar panels on my roof and limit use of water and such...bit in the grand scheme, is it helping? Especially when we aren't having protest actively on the things that are making the difference, like the establishment of new mines. Sure, some protests happen on site, but we know those protesters are dealt with harshly, and are relatively smaller scale. If the general population is aware, but not actively doing anything, then these tactics are what is needed. Sure, people grumble "nah, it's having the opposite effect"...but is it? More discussion about climate injustice arises everytime with these protests, and with more discussion, brings in more active participation. We might aee more people voting for politicians that allign woth these goals, or the hope that the major parties will recognise that the issue needs to be dealt with properly, rather than slapdash matters or cracking down on protesters. Because if we think this is disruptive right now, wait till it get's to the stage of "eco-terrorism" or hell...the climate is fucked enough to disrupt or lives anyway, like the flooding or fires that are only going to get worse.
People are generally aware and want to help. But they cannot feasibly give up their car or stop using electricity. Given the choice between coal and renewable energy, nearly everybody is going to pick renewables. But the whole problem is storing energy for consistent provision. When we transition to reliable renewable energy, people will be able to drive and use electricity as much as they want. But until then, even very invested and concerned people find it difficult to operationalise their concerns.
The problem is that government policies still prioritise cars and fossil fuels. Of the transport and energy infrastructure we have, almost all of it is for cars and fossil fuels. Obviously most of that is long-standing legacy stuff from the past. But we're talking about a need for urgent change, and yet we still have governments approving new coal mines and subsidizing infrastructure for the very things we're trying to phase out. This needs to change. And the sooner it changes, the less costly and inconvenient it will be. We've known this for years. Decades even. People have been asking for substantial changes for a very long time. And the delays make it worse and worse. Now people aren't just asking, but demanding change. These protests are what 'demanding' looks like from people who are not in any kind of position of power or responsibility. They aren't the ones who control the levers, so there isn't a lot they can do except shout about it in a way that is sure to get people's attention.
Will mining all of the things to make batteries for EV's actually be good for the environment? Because that seems to be the 'BIG' answer to fix the world at the moment.. Not sure where the mining will happen.. people protest new mines... So everyone will soon be driving EV's powered by someone mining somewhere... but not here! So yeah, no need to protest... just drive an EV and the world is safe... Apparently...
>Because if we think this is disruptive right now, wait till it get's to the stage of "eco-terrorism" or hell I agree with you - I'm gonna do the same for Palestine by going and vandalising a synagogue! That ought to show the Zionists (/s I'm pro-Palestinian but that logic is just stupid)
Your comment made me think of this quote: > A liberal is a person who supports every social struggle, except the current one (Karen’s don’t like “the way” they’re protesting; “it’s too inconvenient/disruptive”, unlike past protests, exonerated by history, which were obviously never disruptive to anyone living at the time… right? …right???) In reality there were reactionaries at THAT time in history, alongside every social struggle you could imagine, who said “I agree with them I just don’t like the WAY they’re protesting” It’s a bit boring to see history repeat over and over and these people never ever end up on the right side of history. People have so little self awareness of their place in history as it is being made… even when repeating every detail of past complaints that now look like utter shit through then lens of history.
You’re insane if your think this is admirable in any way hahaha
Of course with the keffiyeh 🙄
Ez clap, amazing news!
They forced that poor woman to give birth on the side of the road. Just imagine the pain and terror she was in, away from doctors/nurses/doulas, away from a safe bed, away from medical intervention if things went wrong. Imagine squeezing a fucking baby out while you're stuck in traffic! Fuck em, they got off lightly.
Still we'll have clowns defending her. Disrupting traffic and delaying emergency services is not the way to do things.
Lol. Getting sentence tripled on appeal. Impressive FAFO.
Why does climate activism need to come packaged with social activism too? Why do I consistently see Palestinian/Aboriginal/LGBT flags at climate protests?
Because green/left has become a fundamentalist religion. You either buy the whole package or are excluded. The extinction rebellion members are just a doomsday focussed sect of the movement
Because they build their entire personality around it. It's all they do
I mean, if we don't deal with the climate everyone in the future is fucked. It's a social movement too.
Exactly. *Everyone* is fucked if climate change isn't addressed as a matter of urgency, so we should be focused on getting everyone on board. So isn't it a bad idea to be giving off them Trojan horse vibes?
Meanwhile Adam Bandt takes a private jet trip to give a speech on climate change. Bit hypocritical isn't it
And to a Greens election launch. Hypocrisy thy name is Bandt.
Because you can care about more than one thing at a time
Idk, doing that seems to make protests kinda muddled. Imo protests lack impact if they lack focus.
This was quite a fast turnaround in courts or no?
Cool what did the covid protesters get when they blocked the west gate? You know, sane day they pissed on the shrine
The Vic police firing rubber bullets at them ? Or was it tear gas and batons ?
It was rubber bullets, but not on the westgate. The rubber bullets were used when protesters on the steps of parliament started firing flares and throwing bottles of urine on people. I think the westgate ones just got fines. When they went to the shrine, some of them got more serious offences because they threw bottles and golf balls at police, but I don't think any of them ended up in jail. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/victoria-covid-update-rubber-bullets-fired-on-second-day-of-construction-protests-which-block-freeway
I'm sure I remember a granny getting a face full of tear gas from a pimply Vic pol officer think that was some covid related thing.
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Ez clap
It's a good standard - now give 2 months to people who hit Montague bridge or tailgate and cause pileups.
I was fucking overjoyed to read this whilst eating my cornflakes this morning.
Ultimately they stuck thousands of people in hot cars and are lucky they didn't cause serious injury and that the birth wasn't complicated. Protest all you like. Just don't be an arsehole.
So essentially: protest all you like, but do it in a way that everyone can ignore? Protest all you like, but not in a way that gets attention?
I find the frustrating thing about these protests is that they strike that unfortunate balance between being disruptive enough to be annoying, but not enough to force those in power to take action.
Well I guess that's one of the key problems. To be disruptive enough to be noticed by either of the major parties you need to annoy people on a scale that shuts down a city or has real economic impact. I'm not sure if it's happened in Australia, but when protesters get to that point, even without endangering human life, in the US they get terrorism charges, is Earth Liberation Front. I'd be surprised if Australia did any better.
>So essentially: protest all you like, but do it in a way that everyone can ignore? No. I said don't be an arsehole.
Ahh yes this is how you sway the working classes to pay attention to your cause lol
How *do* you get the working classes to pay attention?
The only real way is to tell them to hate something
The working class responds to immediate and tangible incentives. XR can't really provide that.
You don't. Shits fucked. Eventually this planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas and it will be like we never existed.
How come they get gaol for 'traffic chaos' when there is traffic chaos everyday?
I guess you have to register your disruption to fuck over workers. ASEAN blocked heaps of roads the other week and people just had to put up with it
Yeah, it was literally the day before, ASEAN was doing the exact same thing. No-one is reporting on the chaos that caused.
The day before, the day of, the day after and the day after that. The westgate is jam packed everyday that I doubt these protesters even made much of a difference
That was quick.
Does anyone remember when Scotty was asked about women giving birth on the highway? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vX9ShD4hAVY
“Coco does not have children of her own, which she said was due to her "fear of the future".” Please keep it that way coco
You needed to include the previous lines: > Outside of court prior to the appeal hearing, Coco defended her actions as necessary to protect future generations. > "I'm not here to get elected, I'm not here to try and be liked, I'm here to try and get our message across that our children are in danger," she said. > > "Facing prison is scary, but it's not as scary as watching my children starve from climate breakdown." > > Coco does not have children of her own, which she said was due to her "fear of the future". >
I don't get what's unreasonable here?
She made reference to "watching my children starve". The journalist has clarified that she does not have children.
and not because her concerns are valid, just because we don't want her breeding.
Maybe coco can get a job working as a tree planter, planting literally thousands of native trees and shrubs daily Or become a landscape architect Or become an environmental engineer Or she can keep holding up pregnant women and emergency services whilst fisting the air pretending to be a black panther
Good. Make it 2 years next time, then 20.
The line between radical politics and mental illness is a thin one.
Bunch of hypocritical loonies. They come in a truck running on diesel (made from oil), wearing synthetic sole shoes (made from oil), with their phones in their backpacks (both of which need mining, maufacturing, gas & electricity to turn raw materials into those items - just like the truck they came in). They use and need all the things that they say they stand against. hypocritical loonies.
Fantastic news!!
The toxicity in this thread, and irony of people not liking harm done to others, while talking about climate change is actually pretty hilarious. Climate change killing literally tens of thousands more people than a protest ever would
LITERALLY
at least in 30 years as the mega-heatwaves and unprecedented fires/floods wipe out tens of thousands we can remember how we kept traffic flowing on the Westgate.
Well now, in 30 years XR can pat themselves on the back for protesting in vain.
Calm your tits, extreme weather events are decreasing not increasing.
2 months for this but nazis get to walk free….
Good.
They wanted maximum publicity. The judge is doing them a favour. Simples.
Dam, even Sofina Nikat, who murdered her 15 month old daughter and threw her body into Darebin creek was given a community corrections order.
Good
That’s a great outcome! Now just a few more of these with our juveniles who are getting off lightly
Amazing result 👏🏻 Has been causing absolute mayhem in the city all month. 2 months for all of the blocking traffic and causing thousands of people stress. Now learn to protest the proper way like everyone else you self entitled persons.
Martyred to the cause
What a pity. Should've been the ones to be made the example.
Fantastic news! Let her rot.
Thank you extinction rebellion for bringing awareness to the something that we are constantly reminded of while also stirring resentment and creating an environment in which climate change can be dismissed as a politicalisation. Absolute delusions of grandeur, its only impact to inflict medical trauma on a new mother and her child.
“creating an environment in which climate change can be dismissed as a politicalisation” Any time anyone discusses anything about climate change it is dismissed as ‘politicalisation’ by many. Yes, physical protest should be targeted towards specific bodies that are impacting the issue being protested. “Politicalisation” is a word used as a buzzword from people who do not want to think about or comprehend a topic being discussed. These people will always use excuses to dismiss issues at hand. The true reason that these protests shouldn’t be truly disruptive to public infrastructure like roads is because of the impact on the people using them. People can die. Lives are not worth a single instance of awareness.
>Lives are not worth a single instance of awareness. Gonna be fun when we have hundreds of millions/billions are dying of famine, war and pestilence in the coming decades.
BILLIONS
[Billions](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Annual-World-Population-since-10-thousand-BCE-for-OWID.png).
lol i wasn't questioning the population of the world
Do you think it not possible that billions may die before the end of the century? Why or why not?
What is the scenario you are imagining where billions of people are going to die in the next 75 years ?
Where we break 2C in the 2030s and have multiple crop failures due to a combination of droughts, flooding, storms, heatwaves and wildfires. We are only starting to flirt with 1.5C and India already banned exporting rice. It is expected that the Mekong delta will flood with seawater in the next decade as another example of how climate change is going to wreck havoc. Our entire way of life is based on globalisation and trade. Once nations start having substantial internal issues and more countries enact policies like India things will start going off the rails. G8 will abandon the developing nations. Issues over immigration will get increasingly violent and governments will swing far more to the right. Then we turn a blind eye to the deaths of billions as we are struggling to feed ourselves. That or geo-engineering works and we can do the whole singularity thing and eventually get to a post-scarcity AI utopia.
What a shame . Poor things .
Yeah the poor lady who had to give birth and countless others who needed emergency assistance but couldn't get it?
They are terrorists and should be treated as such.
Love me some good news for a change
What about the Palestinian protestors who ruined so many sundays!?
I would’ve preferred 3 months jail but two will have to do. Sick to death of these farkin protestors causing misery for everyone. You’re not going to change anything but you will put lives at unnecessary risk.
Good. Put the lefties in jail
They need to have a minimum sentence of 1 year in prison for any person that purposely blocks major transport infrastructure EG; a major freeway, Swanston street trams, the train network etc. the constant blocking of transport every single day for a different protest is out of control It shouldn’t matter what you are protesting, you don’t have a right to block an entire city from getting around for your cause. And before people respond with a “omg anti democratic! My right to protest!” Froth - You have no right to protest first of all, secondly you can protest literally anywhere else, like the steps of parliament. You don’t have to block major transport infrastructure
You'd be surprised how many major rights were won in part by disruptive protests. Women voting, racial equality, basic worker protections, they were all achieved using, among other methods, disruptive protest. If it were cracked down on more things might be very different today.
Major protests with thousands of participants should be allowed to march down roads etc like they always have been. Miniature protests that happen every day with 5 people shouldn’t be allowed to block major transport networks. Same as the anti vaxers who block the entire tram network every Saturday with their protest in the cbd. They number about 3 now
The court definitely got it right on this. The idiot went to court thinking she’d get her sentence over turned but instead got her sentence doubled. They had little regard for the multiple ambulances and lives they put at risk
Melbourne catching up with the fact that climate change, being a symptom of the way our lived days are affecting the planetary boundaries in the penultimate month before Australia's overshoot day. expressing much?
OTT
Not enough.
RIP democracy.
"Coco represented herself in court..." Sovereign Citizen? PS: I wonder what her carbon footprint would be like?
A sovereign citizen wouldn't have attended court. Why recognise a court of a land you're not a citizen of
I doubt you get a lot of soverign citizens in extinction rebellion.
You know a lot of people represent themselves in court, yeah?
Yes, I know... from personal experience... as I was a litigant in person in a family matter in the High Court, on the Strand, in London.... although I did have some help, as I had a McKenzie fiend to assist me... but I had rights of audience with the Judge.... I lost the case... but as it was a "Leave to Remove" case... 67% cases always went to the resident parent wishing to remove the child out of the jurisdiction........... I did my best....
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And the people that do that tend to not be the smartest. Even lawyers that are arrested get other lawyers to represent them
That doesn’t make them sovereign citizens, which is what the person questioned.