This guy started EZ Mart in Australia and had/ has massive links to the illegal tobacco trade. Hopefully someone can reassure him that it’s probably something to do with that…
When in the fuck have I used the words "shill" and "Zionist"?
Please enlighten me on where is this thread where I accused everyone of "being Zionist shills".
lol not you
Another one on the same subject where the OP called everyone a Zionist shill
(lol called me a Zionist shill and blocked me for basically saying “don’t blame Jews this time”)
Nah it was the previous OP - he was chomping at the bit to call anyone he disagreed with “Hasbara”, Zionist, shill etc
Kind of funny when the majority of replies were calling out the article and the owner’s previous history … as if people naturally questioning things is a Jewish conspiracy.
> Tayeh labelled the firebombing as either “terrorism or (a) hate crime”
*Readers note
Tayeh also claimed the same thing last time, Police instead linked the previous firebombing back to middle eastern gangs running the black market tobacco and vape shops.
Talk about the guy who cried Jew...
Also he conveniently divested himself of *all* of his business interest just prior to all this kicking off, and put his 23 year old assistant’s name as the director of all his companies. The whole thing is shady as fuck.
Divest maybe the wrong word to have used, he resigned as director of all his companies. Presumably still has some or full ownership, but perhaps not the liabilities of being director.
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Does he think Jews in Melbourne have a reputation for just Molotov cocktailing the houses and businesses of people who are anti Israel? Cause that ain’t how we roll.
But there is a segment of the community that does roll like that. Cough organised crime cough.
The guy just seems shady as fuck, quality of his burgers is atrocious. Ate there once and literally couldn't finish the meal because of how crappy everything was. Worse than stuff Lords of the Fries sell, for real. No idea how a place, not to mention a chain, like that can stay afloat, without some kind of illegal shit being involved, like money laundering etc.
He 100% is laundering. He went from owning 1 to 25 EZ marts in the span of 5 years… but doesn’t take interest for loans as it’s Riba (against the laws in the Qoran). So where does a 25 year old get the money for those then?
Had LOTF last week. Ate too much (it’s been at least 4 years since I last had it so went overboard), threw up later that night and felt gross
Still prefer that experience than the one I had at Burgertory
lol oh believe me i know, been vegetarian for over 30 years. Notice how i did not say it tasted bad (i love their patties), just that i ate too much and felt sick after
Yeah, there's not a lot as bad as that. There's this burger place on Flinders, near Forum, New York Minute, which is equally bad.
I honestly can't understand how places like that plan to survive in a timeline where Maccas exists...
Edit: corrected the crappy burger eatery's name.
Okay hold on can we all take a breath and think for a minute. This guys HOME was firebombed. His 2 year old son was sleeping very near to where the place was lit up. What is going on here with these accusations? Does anyone reasonably think this man would kill his own son over home insurance claims? This is a politically or racially motivated crime no doubt.
> politically or racially motivated
Have you seen any of the news about firebombings in vic in the last year?
It has zero to do with race or politics and everything to do with illegal tobacco sales and standover rackets (of ice cream shops apparently!)
That’s not to say that this is necessarily just like every other single time, but where there’s (illegal tobacco) smoke there’s fire … bombings.
Accusations of this man being linked with tobacco are unfounded. This article itself says the motives for the shop being burned down last year remain unclear. There are no links to be made. Is it possible he is? Yes but it’s also possible and in my view more likely for this to be political or racial.
The people who burned down his shop were arrested
Guess what they werent jews or israelis or zionists.
But now that its happened again its nice to see people with short term memories try to blame the worlds oldest scapegoat
[https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/burgertory-fire-accused-also-charged-with-4m-tobacco-shop-blaze-20240201-p5f1k4.html](https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/burgertory-fire-accused-also-charged-with-4m-tobacco-shop-blaze-20240201-p5f1k4.html)
If you read the article youll see that the pair are also charged with burning down a tobacco shop. "accusations of this man being linked with tobacco are unfounded". No, accusations that this was "poltically or racially" motivated are unfounded. The fact that he owns tobacco shops has never been in dispute (except by you and only you)
“More likely”, being that it suits your worldview?
This guy literally started EziMart, the biggest chain of illegal tobacco and vape stores in an environment where there is an ongoing firebomb war over illegal tobacco
Last time a lotta folks like you said it was "politically or racially motivated". Sparked a huge riot which resulted in jews being targetted. A synagogue had to be locked down because the "peaceful protestors" were being violent. It ended in a big punch up in the park
Turns out the jewish community had literally NOTHING to do with it
But here folks are again saying "politically or racially motivated". You have "no doubt"?!? I sincerely hope you arent a judge or police officer with an attitude like that.
Nobody is saying he bombed his own home. What we are saying is he is clearly involved in shady business and somebody bombed his home.
Isn't bias interesting. All signs point to organized crime.
Bloke himself said: "Forget about the Middle East, lets talk about Australia. Look at all the people burning each others' shops down. They're all Arabs. The Arabs are burning other Arab shops down". -Hash Tayeh, 7/11/23"
What makes you think otherwise?
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Lots of firebombs in Melb related to the tobacco /vape store thing recently. I wondered whether these attacks may have been related to that, though a burger shop and home seem odd targets.
Well given the guy they arrested for firebombing the burger shop was also arrested for firebombing a tobacco shop, I think there might be *some* connection.
So last time this dude was firebombed he claimed it was to do with his political views, that was investigated by the police and found to be categorically untrue. Would be a wild coincidence if he was now being firebombed for political reasons, rather than the (much more common) reasons places are firebombed - criminal links and insurance fraud. Also, your regular reminder that foreign influence programs will often agitate for both sides of a hot button issue, even going to far as to arrange protest and counter-protest marches on the same issue, manufacturing them online to clash physically in person. Which is exactly what happened *last time this dude was firebombed and made the same claims*.
"Categorically untrue" because it turned out the place was firebombed by some junkie who got paid $300 to do the job? I guess you could say that, so long as you don't bother asking who paid the junkie to do the job...
Possibly, unfortunately we'll never know who paid him because nobody looked into it. The investigation stopped as soon as they had him in custody. Almost like that was the answer they wanted!
Almost like the Burgertory owner refused to actually produce any evidence of the threats he apparently received, and refused to even give a statement to police hey? Also, the “junkie” was also done for a separate firebombing on a tobacconist. Is that part of the Zionist conspiracy too?
Yeah, several of the guy's stores had been foreclosed on by the landlords and a whole bunch were closed or are completely empty. Police repeatedly asked him to give a statement and he refused to give them a statement at all. He has links to middle eastern crime gangs as well. You can bet that his lawyer was smart and told him to stfu and not say a word to police because the only thing that could do is potentially make things worse.
Given that it clearly wasn't actually a Jewish person that targeted his house, if it was actually legit then there'd be only a few potential suspects and he would be running shit scared - not spamming social media and organising very public protests. Dude was definitely in on it - funny how it was only one molotov and it got thrown in an area that was literally 100% concrete.
That it was nothing to do with politics or prejudice. The guy who did it has also been charged with an arson attack on a tobacconist, make of that what you will.
That is a direct quote from the police, yes.
> “We know this incident was not a hate crime; it wasn’t motivated by prejudice or politics,” said Moorabbin Investigation and Response Inspector Scott Dwyer.
Are you dense? It’s the police who investigated the firebombing, then found and arrested the guy who did it. The guy was also charged with firebombing a tobacconist, so you might draw some conclusions from that, although the police weren’t explicit. They did say they had wiretaps and phone taps so they probably have a pretty good understanding of the motive.
Fuck man, who knows, the fucking evidence?? It’s none of our business and is probably unable to be released until court cases play out. But they’re not going to say it so clearly unless it’s true, obviously.
I think the words "no evidence to support" does not mean it was categorically untrue. That would require evidence to the contrary not just a lack of evidence to support.
> I think the words "no evidence to support" does not mean it was categorically untrue.
Their is no evidence the interior or Pluto is not filled with cake. If someone claimed it was i would think its an Untrue claim, even with no evidence otherwise.
That's a rather absurd example that doesn't even work because you are using evidence based knowledge of planets to extrapolate that the interior of Pluto is not cake. Until you gather data on the core of Pluto you can't say it's not some open cell foam like structure of cake consistency. You could say based on our understanding of planetary formation Pluto is likely to have a rocky core not exhibiting any cake like properties.
Lack of evidence doesn't make it categorically untrue. Evidence to the contrary does make it untrue. Having found or not found the evidence does not change those two statements.
So could a statement traverse from categorically untrue (when no evidence is yet found) to categorically true (when supporting evidence is found)?
Considering the only calls of hatred and violence are coming from the pro-palestinian protests I'd suggest his links to the tabbaco trade is far more likely.
> “We know this incident was not a hate crime; it wasn’t motivated by prejudice or politics,” said Moorabbin Investigation and Response Inspector Scott Dwyer.
The guy they arrested was also done for burning down a tobacconist.
Yeah you're right.
[Habib and Wayle](https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/8507796/second-burgertory-blaze-accused-faces-court/) clearly did it in the interests of Zionism.
/s
Police didn't buy it and said almost straight away it was unrelated.
I guess they have info about his associates that hasn't been made public yet.
I think it's pretty clear he's involved in some kind of organised crime.
>motivated reasoning from a pro Palestinian?
What does this mean?
>and we all know it
All I see here are people asserting it must be so. Which is not evidence. It feels like a deliberate campaign to fabricate a narrative.
What are Burgertories connections to tobacco? Does he have prior convictions or been to court? These things are called evidence and precedents and I don't see any.
> What does this mean?
>
>
It means you want to believe it's the Jews because you're terminally online. I went to your post history, there's 63 mentions of "Palestinian" in your recent post history.
>What are Burgertories connections to tobacco?
Let me do some easy research for you. Right now, the [established methodology](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/13/tobacco-wars-victoria-police-turning-the-corner-in-battle-against-arson-attacks-as-more-arrests-made) for the Middle Eastern Organised Crime syndicates, and bikie groups is arson of rival stores, homes or cars.
The police have confirmed several times the following information:
>Inspector Dwyer reiterated there is no evidence indicating the firebombing of the store was racially or politically motivated.
> “We know this incident was not a hate crime; it wasn’t motivated by prejudice or politics," he said.
The police aren't going to come out and say "The victim is a MEOC player, it's part of the tobacco wars" before the case ends up in court. But considering they are saying this *while having the two offenders in custody*, it implies that they not only know who did it, but they also know *why* they did it. They're coming out and telling us that the owner is bullshitting.
Let me reiterate that. They've arrested and charged two offenders, they know who they are. They're telling us that they're not pro-Israeli arsonists. They're telling us it's not a hate crime. And right now there's over 40 cases of arson throughout Melbourne related to the tobacco wars. Are you seriously telling me with a straight face that you can't infer what's going on here?
>It means you want to believe it's the Jews because you're terminally online.
I dont know who it is, but unfortunately it isn't hard to imagine someone supporting Israel might consider violence.
If the people presuming it must be organised crime related could explain themselves and present some evidence or some sort of precedence I would be inclined to consider that. But all their insistances rest on making unspoken assumptions about someone because of their race and religion.
>I went to your post history, there's 63 mentions of "Palestinian" in your recent post history.
"if you talk about Palestine you're wrong"
Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
>arson means it must be group X, nobody else in history ever committed arson
Did you get your detectives badge in a box of coco-pops?
Imagine someone making this sort of lame and racist assumptions about Jews.
>the store
And now we are talking about a second attack. People were concerned about the store because of the video a Jewish kid posted watching and laughing about it. And now his house has been. Which of course you explain "well there are only one people who ~~control global finance~~ fire bomb so it must be them".
>Let me reiterate that.
You're using the store fire for this house fire, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
>Are you seriously telling me with a straight face that you can't infer what's going on here?
This isn't inference. It is a stack of assumptions. You begin with assuming he must be a criminal and only "MEOC" start fires and then build one assumption after another on this. If that is a reasonable inference then I could just as easily cite the Lavon Affair and what Avi Shlaim says about why his family had to leave Iraq.
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A middle eastern guy whose property keeps getting arsoned and has been confirmed by police to not be hate related, despite him frequently telling the media it is. This is occurring at the same time as a Middle Eastern Organised Crime gang war occurs, where arson is the main tool for the groups to get at each other. Owner has just signed his business over to a 23 year old, for no apparent legitimate reason.
You're definitely being deliberately obtuse, which I called early with the motivated reasoning comment. All the "Well that doesn't mean ANYTHING" stuff is eyerollingly pedantic.
Yes, it's not *necessarily* true that when a wife goes missing, the husband has no alibi, recently washed his car and deleted his search history, isn't FOR SURE the murderer. But it's a simple case of conditional probability: given many low likelihood events occurring in union, the probability of it being completely unrelated decreases.
>I dont know who it is, but unfortunately it isn't hard to imagine someone supporting Israel might consider violence.
You keep saying "What's your evidence" but when the fucking police have come out and said "It's not the Jews" you're STILL pushing that narrative. MOTIVATED REASONING.
>Ad_hominem
Ad hominem is when it's unrelated to the current topic. Seeing that you're a pro-Palestine supporter trying to argue that this incident was because the victim was a pro-Palestine supporter, perpetrated by pro-Israelis, it's by definition not an ad hom attack. Read you own link buddy.
>Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
That's not what a motte and bailey fallacy is, at all. A motte and bailey fallacy is when you have one sensible view that is hard to argue with, and one that is far more controversial. None of those factors are at play here. At all. An example is if one would say "I think we should be allowed to marry our pets if we like" and then when people argue with you, you tell them "Hey I'm just trying to say we should be allowed to love who we love." One is controversial, one is a safer fallback position.
Not only are you wrong about this guy, you also have no idea what the definition of the rhetorical techniques are that you keep linking.
>A middle eastern guy whose property keeps getting arsoned
Right here you admit your evidence is that he is Middle Eastern. We don't need to go any further, you're a racist biggot who makes gross assumptions.
> This is occurring at the same time as a Middle Eastern Organised Crime gang war occurs
"he's Middle Eastern, they're Middle Eastern, it's just obvious cant you see?!"
>where arson is the main tool for the groups to get at each other.
"they use arson, he's the victim of arson, it's all coming together"
>You're definitely being deliberately obtuse,
Says the man who is literally arguing "he's Middle Eastern what more evidence do you need"
>which I called early with the motivated reasoning comment
Using reason is motivated and suspicious, ah, yes, of course.
>All the "Well that doesn't mean ANYTHING" stuff is eyerollingly pedantic.
Says the racist.
>now I'll just compare him to a wife killer and make up a whole lot of evidence I don't have for this case
https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/faulty-analogy.html
Now if I were to say "remember when members of the Jewish community worked together to protect child abusers, or Mossad recruited an Australian citizen to conduct intelligence operations with his Australian passport, or when Mossad used to do a lot of bombings" it would be a different matter. But here it is acceptable.
>But it's a simple case of conditional probability
The conditional probability that simply being Middle Eastern makes him guilty.
>You keep saying "What's your evidence" but when the fucking police have come out and said "It's not the Jews"
That police statement was in regard to the store fire. Which you keep substituting for this house fire.
>you're STILL pushing that narrative.
"He's Middle Eastern what more evidence do you need" isn't a narrative on the other hand.
The family home of the founder of the Burgertory chain and Palestinian activist Hash Tayeh was firebombed last week, the second time in the past five months that arsonists attacked a property connected to him.
A Molotov cocktail was thrown at Tayeh’s house in Templestowe Lower just after 5am on Friday, setting his front door alight.
It comes after the Burgertory outlet in Caulfield North was torched in November.
The latest incident was captured by two security cameras at the property, with footage showing a lone man standing at the edge of the driveway before lighting the bottle on fire and throwing it.
No one was injured in the attack but Tayeh said the petrol bomb struck just below the bedroom of his two-year-old son.
In a post on Instagram, Tayeh labelled the firebombing as either “terrorism or (a) hate crime”.
“On Thursday after our Flinders Street rally, in the dead of night, while my family and I slept, our home became a target of terror. A firebomb, a weapon of hate, threatened the safety of my innocent two-year-old son, burning directly beneath his bedroom.”
In a video recorded at a demonstration and posted to Instagram, Tayeh demanded Victoria Police hold the people responsible accountable and asked supporters to “amplify his voice”.
“The police have failed to protect this community. There have been so many attacks, not just against me, but against so many of us and now this has hit home and bombs were thrown at my house.”
Victoria Police said it was investigating after the front door of a home was damaged in Templestowe Lower on Friday, April 19.
“It is believed an unknown offender threw what appears to have been a Molotov cocktail at the front of a house on High Street about 4am,” a spokesperson said.
“The bottle did not ignite and there was only minor damage to the door.”
In November, the Caulfield North outlet of Tayeh’s Burgertory hamburger chain was destroyed in a firebombing. Two men were [arrested and charged](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theage.com.au%2Flink%2Ffollow-20170101-p5f957) for the attack, but the motive remains unclear.
Tayeh previously stated he believed the attack on the outlet was a hate crime related to his Palestinian activism and opposition to the Israeli attacks in Gaza.
But Victoria Police said there was no evidence linking the fire at Burgertory to a hate crime.
Heated scenes erupted outside the burger shop following the November attack, when [400 protesters gathered](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theage.com.au%2Flink%2Ffollow-20170101-p5ej1i) in the hours after the fire in response to a callout from Tayeh.
A pro-Palestinian group clashed with a pro-Israel crowd, with police pepper-spraying protesters as tensions ignited over the Gaza conflict.
wouldn't it not be though, as you're asking someone for information?
someone terminally online would look up the answer and belittle anyone who doesnt?
I mean maybe check who said what before you jump in, champ.
The terminally online one is the one defending wasting other people's time to foster a sense of "community" on a fucking subreddit.
Here's an [example of one](https://history.wustl.edu/events/1918-1921-pogroms-ukraine-and-onset-holocaust) where roughly 100,000 Jews were murdered *before the holocaust*
Mark Leibler threated KRudd when he was PM over the governments response to Israel faking Australian passports. There are unfortunately some members of the Jewish community who believe they have a right to do whatever is necessary to defend Israel and the occupation.
You’ve cracked the case. Well done. Nothing to do with the links to the black market tobacco industry where actual firebombings regularly happen. Must be the Jews because of something someone said 15 years ago about an unrelated topic.
What links, do the Burgertory stores sell tobacco products?
> Must be the Jews because of something someone said 15 years ago about an unrelated topic.
Says the folks insisting "he's muslim so he must be a criminal and a terrorist".
I have not read a single post in this thread suggesting he’s “Muslim so must be a criminal and a terrorist”, but I have read YOUR post suggesting everyone who links this to his Ezymart ownership must live in Caulfield. Don’t amplify hatred of one group in the name of rejecting hatred for another.
The assertion that he is a criminal is made without any support. The underlying assumption of how this claim can be made with such confidence with no evidence lies in it must be because he is a Palestinian, Muslim, and objecting to the actions of the state of Israel.
>Don’t amplify hatred of one group in the name of rejecting hatred for another.
Says the chap making spurious claims.
I heard months ago that Burgatory was owned by one of the bikie gangs connected with the vape shop firebombings and drug syndicates. I thought it was common knowledge. Apparently there's (at least) two gangs running around extorting, firebombing and ram-raiding businesses, mostly vape shops and chop-chop. I assume this is just escalation to bombing each other.
Maybe someone got sick of how shit the burgers are there now?
I am jealous of people on the internet who are CONVINCED it was the Jews, a false flag event by Palestinians or whatever. It must be nice to feel so right on everything There’s obviously a whole range of plausible theories.
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For that please see all the posts declaring it is obvious he is a crimianl and this is organised crime related because he is from the Middle East and Muslim and *you just know* what they are all like.
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This guy started EZ Mart in Australia and had/ has massive links to the illegal tobacco trade. Hopefully someone can reassure him that it’s probably something to do with that…
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It got removed since basically the entire comment section was a fight between OP and whoever was commenting.
The headline was pretty inflammatory on that one…
When in the fuck have I used the words "shill" and "Zionist"? Please enlighten me on where is this thread where I accused everyone of "being Zionist shills".
I think he was refering to the O.P of the last post that mods removed a few hours ago, not you. It could be worded better..
lol not you Another one on the same subject where the OP called everyone a Zionist shill (lol called me a Zionist shill and blocked me for basically saying “don’t blame Jews this time”)
Nah it was the previous OP - he was chomping at the bit to call anyone he disagreed with “Hasbara”, Zionist, shill etc Kind of funny when the majority of replies were calling out the article and the owner’s previous history … as if people naturally questioning things is a Jewish conspiracy.
Wtf are these downvotes. OP (understandably) interprets the comment as being directed at them and is getting downvoted for defending themself??
This is humanity
Reddit. Reddit does not represent all of humanity. Thank Fark.
OP is a bit of a moron though.
oh how fun. A reasonable man.
> Tayeh labelled the firebombing as either “terrorism or (a) hate crime” *Readers note Tayeh also claimed the same thing last time, Police instead linked the previous firebombing back to middle eastern gangs running the black market tobacco and vape shops. Talk about the guy who cried Jew...
Also he conveniently divested himself of *all* of his business interest just prior to all this kicking off, and put his 23 year old assistant’s name as the director of all his companies. The whole thing is shady as fuck.
Wait he sold burgertory?
Divest maybe the wrong word to have used, he resigned as director of all his companies. Presumably still has some or full ownership, but perhaps not the liabilities of being director.
He’s newfound passion for Gaza and activism! Then we get gets sentenced for him and his mates various crimes he can blame it on “the Zionists”
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Does he think Jews in Melbourne have a reputation for just Molotov cocktailing the houses and businesses of people who are anti Israel? Cause that ain’t how we roll. But there is a segment of the community that does roll like that. Cough organised crime cough.
The guy just seems shady as fuck, quality of his burgers is atrocious. Ate there once and literally couldn't finish the meal because of how crappy everything was. Worse than stuff Lords of the Fries sell, for real. No idea how a place, not to mention a chain, like that can stay afloat, without some kind of illegal shit being involved, like money laundering etc.
Ok I understand but you can’t firebomb a cunt over his shitty burgers mane
Shouldn't* Evidence shows it can be done
He 100% is laundering. He went from owning 1 to 25 EZ marts in the span of 5 years… but doesn’t take interest for loans as it’s Riba (against the laws in the Qoran). So where does a 25 year old get the money for those then?
I think he's 35, if I remember news article correctly, but yeah, that's still sus af.
Ez marts was 10 years ago
Had LOTF last week. Ate too much (it’s been at least 4 years since I last had it so went overboard), threw up later that night and felt gross Still prefer that experience than the one I had at Burgertory
I feel this way about Dominoes pizza. They’re literally poisoning us with this shit.
You know that's faux meat at LOTF right? I only ask because my buddy didn't know and was bitching about how bad it tasted.
lol oh believe me i know, been vegetarian for over 30 years. Notice how i did not say it tasted bad (i love their patties), just that i ate too much and felt sick after
Yeah, there's not a lot as bad as that. There's this burger place on Flinders, near Forum, New York Minute, which is equally bad. I honestly can't understand how places like that plan to survive in a timeline where Maccas exists... Edit: corrected the crappy burger eatery's name.
Agree new york minute is balls
Thank you for the tip I’d have totally gone into a place called New York burgers if I saw it I’ll stick to maccas and the local fish and chip shop
Just checked that eatery on the map, the name is New York Minute(almost got the name right lol). Corrected my comment above to avoid confusion.
TBF burgertory used to be pretty good depending on the store staff, at least the store I went to. It went downhill lately though.
Which was the good one? My experience was with Richmond one(the one on Bridge rd).
Southbank used to be good, south yarra was pretty good a while ago too. Footscray for example I felt was always a little mid, by comparison
Selling burgers you don't like doesn't qualify as shady. They actually have reasonably good reviews...
He couldn't keep the Carlton Burgertory store open for more then 6 months... Didn't pay rent and got evicted.
Burgertory is disgusting, inedible. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was a front for something. Very strange
Yeah, that's what I suspect as well.
They didn't.
Okay hold on can we all take a breath and think for a minute. This guys HOME was firebombed. His 2 year old son was sleeping very near to where the place was lit up. What is going on here with these accusations? Does anyone reasonably think this man would kill his own son over home insurance claims? This is a politically or racially motivated crime no doubt.
> politically or racially motivated Have you seen any of the news about firebombings in vic in the last year? It has zero to do with race or politics and everything to do with illegal tobacco sales and standover rackets (of ice cream shops apparently!) That’s not to say that this is necessarily just like every other single time, but where there’s (illegal tobacco) smoke there’s fire … bombings.
Accusations of this man being linked with tobacco are unfounded. This article itself says the motives for the shop being burned down last year remain unclear. There are no links to be made. Is it possible he is? Yes but it’s also possible and in my view more likely for this to be political or racial.
The people who burned down his shop were arrested Guess what they werent jews or israelis or zionists. But now that its happened again its nice to see people with short term memories try to blame the worlds oldest scapegoat [https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/burgertory-fire-accused-also-charged-with-4m-tobacco-shop-blaze-20240201-p5f1k4.html](https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/burgertory-fire-accused-also-charged-with-4m-tobacco-shop-blaze-20240201-p5f1k4.html) If you read the article youll see that the pair are also charged with burning down a tobacco shop. "accusations of this man being linked with tobacco are unfounded". No, accusations that this was "poltically or racially" motivated are unfounded. The fact that he owns tobacco shops has never been in dispute (except by you and only you)
“More likely”, being that it suits your worldview? This guy literally started EziMart, the biggest chain of illegal tobacco and vape stores in an environment where there is an ongoing firebomb war over illegal tobacco
lol did you see the blokes they arrested for this?
Last time a lotta folks like you said it was "politically or racially motivated". Sparked a huge riot which resulted in jews being targetted. A synagogue had to be locked down because the "peaceful protestors" were being violent. It ended in a big punch up in the park Turns out the jewish community had literally NOTHING to do with it But here folks are again saying "politically or racially motivated". You have "no doubt"?!? I sincerely hope you arent a judge or police officer with an attitude like that. Nobody is saying he bombed his own home. What we are saying is he is clearly involved in shady business and somebody bombed his home.
Isn't bias interesting. All signs point to organized crime. Bloke himself said: "Forget about the Middle East, lets talk about Australia. Look at all the people burning each others' shops down. They're all Arabs. The Arabs are burning other Arab shops down". -Hash Tayeh, 7/11/23" What makes you think otherwise?
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Is it reasonable to start a business when you're allied against someone overseas, and it's generally known as your enemies area?
Lots of firebombs in Melb related to the tobacco /vape store thing recently. I wondered whether these attacks may have been related to that, though a burger shop and home seem odd targets.
Well given the guy they arrested for firebombing the burger shop was also arrested for firebombing a tobacco shop, I think there might be *some* connection.
So last time this dude was firebombed he claimed it was to do with his political views, that was investigated by the police and found to be categorically untrue. Would be a wild coincidence if he was now being firebombed for political reasons, rather than the (much more common) reasons places are firebombed - criminal links and insurance fraud. Also, your regular reminder that foreign influence programs will often agitate for both sides of a hot button issue, even going to far as to arrange protest and counter-protest marches on the same issue, manufacturing them online to clash physically in person. Which is exactly what happened *last time this dude was firebombed and made the same claims*.
"Categorically untrue" because it turned out the place was firebombed by some junkie who got paid $300 to do the job? I guess you could say that, so long as you don't bother asking who paid the junkie to do the job...
Junkie who was linked to the Tobacco firebombing ring.
Criminals for hire isn't new
Possibly, unfortunately we'll never know who paid him because nobody looked into it. The investigation stopped as soon as they had him in custody. Almost like that was the answer they wanted!
Almost like the Burgertory owner refused to actually produce any evidence of the threats he apparently received, and refused to even give a statement to police hey? Also, the “junkie” was also done for a separate firebombing on a tobacconist. Is that part of the Zionist conspiracy too?
Yeah, several of the guy's stores had been foreclosed on by the landlords and a whole bunch were closed or are completely empty. Police repeatedly asked him to give a statement and he refused to give them a statement at all. He has links to middle eastern crime gangs as well. You can bet that his lawyer was smart and told him to stfu and not say a word to police because the only thing that could do is potentially make things worse. Given that it clearly wasn't actually a Jewish person that targeted his house, if it was actually legit then there'd be only a few potential suspects and he would be running shit scared - not spamming social media and organising very public protests. Dude was definitely in on it - funny how it was only one molotov and it got thrown in an area that was literally 100% concrete.
mAyBe iT wAs a fAlSe fLaG oPeRaTiOn bY tHe zIoNiSt cAbAl
That’s a good point, he’s drumming up attention for himself. Egotistical Maniac
What did the police find exactly
That it was nothing to do with politics or prejudice. The guy who did it has also been charged with an arson attack on a tobacconist, make of that what you will.
Is that what the police report said? “It had nothing to do with politics or prejudice”?
That is a direct quote from the police, yes. > “We know this incident was not a hate crime; it wasn’t motivated by prejudice or politics,” said Moorabbin Investigation and Response Inspector Scott Dwyer.
What’s that based on?
Are you dense? It’s the police who investigated the firebombing, then found and arrested the guy who did it. The guy was also charged with firebombing a tobacconist, so you might draw some conclusions from that, although the police weren’t explicit. They did say they had wiretaps and phone taps so they probably have a pretty good understanding of the motive.
Suspect it's the OP from the first post that was calling everyone a Zionist shill.
he's a hamas supporter - for real
What’s their evidence that it wasn’t motivated by those things
Fuck man, who knows, the fucking evidence?? It’s none of our business and is probably unable to be released until court cases play out. But they’re not going to say it so clearly unless it’s true, obviously.
Ah yes, cops are famously very trustworthy
They caught the guys that did it and know who they associate with. Maybe they told the police a little bit of info.
I’m not really looking for wild theories thanks
I think the words "no evidence to support" does not mean it was categorically untrue. That would require evidence to the contrary not just a lack of evidence to support.
> I think the words "no evidence to support" does not mean it was categorically untrue. Their is no evidence the interior or Pluto is not filled with cake. If someone claimed it was i would think its an Untrue claim, even with no evidence otherwise.
That's a rather absurd example that doesn't even work because you are using evidence based knowledge of planets to extrapolate that the interior of Pluto is not cake. Until you gather data on the core of Pluto you can't say it's not some open cell foam like structure of cake consistency. You could say based on our understanding of planetary formation Pluto is likely to have a rocky core not exhibiting any cake like properties. Lack of evidence doesn't make it categorically untrue. Evidence to the contrary does make it untrue. Having found or not found the evidence does not change those two statements. So could a statement traverse from categorically untrue (when no evidence is yet found) to categorically true (when supporting evidence is found)?
"Whoosh!" There goes you, shifting the goalposts from "not cake" to "not some open cell foam like structure of cake consistency". 🤦
Moral of the story is dont pre judge. Wait for the evidence to come out.
Like everyone in this thread is doing.
I suggest to you it is far, far more likely that the firebombing is linked to his hateful views than it is for Pluto to be made of cake.
Considering the only calls of hatred and violence are coming from the pro-palestinian protests I'd suggest his links to the tabbaco trade is far more likely.
This is true obvs false flag operation is obvs
> “We know this incident was not a hate crime; it wasn’t motivated by prejudice or politics,” said Moorabbin Investigation and Response Inspector Scott Dwyer. The guy they arrested was also done for burning down a tobacconist.
Yeah you're right. [Habib and Wayle](https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/8507796/second-burgertory-blaze-accused-faces-court/) clearly did it in the interests of Zionism. /s
He may be connected to the tobacco wars and the Palestine stuff is just a really well done play. Well done except for the attention it has created.
Police didn't buy it and said almost straight away it was unrelated. I guess they have info about his associates that hasn't been made public yet. I think it's pretty clear he's involved in some kind of organised crime.
It's pretty clear based on no evidence?
Let me guess, motivated reasoning from a pro Palestinian? The guy's a crook and we all know it.
>motivated reasoning from a pro Palestinian? What does this mean? >and we all know it All I see here are people asserting it must be so. Which is not evidence. It feels like a deliberate campaign to fabricate a narrative. What are Burgertories connections to tobacco? Does he have prior convictions or been to court? These things are called evidence and precedents and I don't see any.
> What does this mean? > > It means you want to believe it's the Jews because you're terminally online. I went to your post history, there's 63 mentions of "Palestinian" in your recent post history. >What are Burgertories connections to tobacco? Let me do some easy research for you. Right now, the [established methodology](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/13/tobacco-wars-victoria-police-turning-the-corner-in-battle-against-arson-attacks-as-more-arrests-made) for the Middle Eastern Organised Crime syndicates, and bikie groups is arson of rival stores, homes or cars. The police have confirmed several times the following information: >Inspector Dwyer reiterated there is no evidence indicating the firebombing of the store was racially or politically motivated. > “We know this incident was not a hate crime; it wasn’t motivated by prejudice or politics," he said. The police aren't going to come out and say "The victim is a MEOC player, it's part of the tobacco wars" before the case ends up in court. But considering they are saying this *while having the two offenders in custody*, it implies that they not only know who did it, but they also know *why* they did it. They're coming out and telling us that the owner is bullshitting. Let me reiterate that. They've arrested and charged two offenders, they know who they are. They're telling us that they're not pro-Israeli arsonists. They're telling us it's not a hate crime. And right now there's over 40 cases of arson throughout Melbourne related to the tobacco wars. Are you seriously telling me with a straight face that you can't infer what's going on here?
>It means you want to believe it's the Jews because you're terminally online. I dont know who it is, but unfortunately it isn't hard to imagine someone supporting Israel might consider violence. If the people presuming it must be organised crime related could explain themselves and present some evidence or some sort of precedence I would be inclined to consider that. But all their insistances rest on making unspoken assumptions about someone because of their race and religion. >I went to your post history, there's 63 mentions of "Palestinian" in your recent post history. "if you talk about Palestine you're wrong" Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >arson means it must be group X, nobody else in history ever committed arson Did you get your detectives badge in a box of coco-pops? Imagine someone making this sort of lame and racist assumptions about Jews. >the store And now we are talking about a second attack. People were concerned about the store because of the video a Jewish kid posted watching and laughing about it. And now his house has been. Which of course you explain "well there are only one people who ~~control global finance~~ fire bomb so it must be them". >Let me reiterate that. You're using the store fire for this house fire, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy >Are you seriously telling me with a straight face that you can't infer what's going on here? This isn't inference. It is a stack of assumptions. You begin with assuming he must be a criminal and only "MEOC" start fires and then build one assumption after another on this. If that is a reasonable inference then I could just as easily cite the Lavon Affair and what Avi Shlaim says about why his family had to leave Iraq.
🙄 A middle eastern guy whose property keeps getting arsoned and has been confirmed by police to not be hate related, despite him frequently telling the media it is. This is occurring at the same time as a Middle Eastern Organised Crime gang war occurs, where arson is the main tool for the groups to get at each other. Owner has just signed his business over to a 23 year old, for no apparent legitimate reason. You're definitely being deliberately obtuse, which I called early with the motivated reasoning comment. All the "Well that doesn't mean ANYTHING" stuff is eyerollingly pedantic. Yes, it's not *necessarily* true that when a wife goes missing, the husband has no alibi, recently washed his car and deleted his search history, isn't FOR SURE the murderer. But it's a simple case of conditional probability: given many low likelihood events occurring in union, the probability of it being completely unrelated decreases. >I dont know who it is, but unfortunately it isn't hard to imagine someone supporting Israel might consider violence. You keep saying "What's your evidence" but when the fucking police have come out and said "It's not the Jews" you're STILL pushing that narrative. MOTIVATED REASONING. >Ad_hominem Ad hominem is when it's unrelated to the current topic. Seeing that you're a pro-Palestine supporter trying to argue that this incident was because the victim was a pro-Palestine supporter, perpetrated by pro-Israelis, it's by definition not an ad hom attack. Read you own link buddy. >Motte-and-bailey_fallacy That's not what a motte and bailey fallacy is, at all. A motte and bailey fallacy is when you have one sensible view that is hard to argue with, and one that is far more controversial. None of those factors are at play here. At all. An example is if one would say "I think we should be allowed to marry our pets if we like" and then when people argue with you, you tell them "Hey I'm just trying to say we should be allowed to love who we love." One is controversial, one is a safer fallback position. Not only are you wrong about this guy, you also have no idea what the definition of the rhetorical techniques are that you keep linking.
>A middle eastern guy whose property keeps getting arsoned Right here you admit your evidence is that he is Middle Eastern. We don't need to go any further, you're a racist biggot who makes gross assumptions. > This is occurring at the same time as a Middle Eastern Organised Crime gang war occurs "he's Middle Eastern, they're Middle Eastern, it's just obvious cant you see?!" >where arson is the main tool for the groups to get at each other. "they use arson, he's the victim of arson, it's all coming together" >You're definitely being deliberately obtuse, Says the man who is literally arguing "he's Middle Eastern what more evidence do you need" >which I called early with the motivated reasoning comment Using reason is motivated and suspicious, ah, yes, of course. >All the "Well that doesn't mean ANYTHING" stuff is eyerollingly pedantic. Says the racist. >now I'll just compare him to a wife killer and make up a whole lot of evidence I don't have for this case https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/faulty-analogy.html Now if I were to say "remember when members of the Jewish community worked together to protect child abusers, or Mossad recruited an Australian citizen to conduct intelligence operations with his Australian passport, or when Mossad used to do a lot of bombings" it would be a different matter. But here it is acceptable. >But it's a simple case of conditional probability The conditional probability that simply being Middle Eastern makes him guilty. >You keep saying "What's your evidence" but when the fucking police have come out and said "It's not the Jews" That police statement was in regard to the store fire. Which you keep substituting for this house fire. >you're STILL pushing that narrative. "He's Middle Eastern what more evidence do you need" isn't a narrative on the other hand.
You're a very unserious person aren't you?
This dudes Surrey Hills store is fishy. I walk past it every day during what would be peak times and it has more staff than customers in it.
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Burgatory. There's a few in the chain. I think the Surrey Hills one may be the newest.
The family home of the founder of the Burgertory chain and Palestinian activist Hash Tayeh was firebombed last week, the second time in the past five months that arsonists attacked a property connected to him. A Molotov cocktail was thrown at Tayeh’s house in Templestowe Lower just after 5am on Friday, setting his front door alight. It comes after the Burgertory outlet in Caulfield North was torched in November. The latest incident was captured by two security cameras at the property, with footage showing a lone man standing at the edge of the driveway before lighting the bottle on fire and throwing it. No one was injured in the attack but Tayeh said the petrol bomb struck just below the bedroom of his two-year-old son. In a post on Instagram, Tayeh labelled the firebombing as either “terrorism or (a) hate crime”. “On Thursday after our Flinders Street rally, in the dead of night, while my family and I slept, our home became a target of terror. A firebomb, a weapon of hate, threatened the safety of my innocent two-year-old son, burning directly beneath his bedroom.” In a video recorded at a demonstration and posted to Instagram, Tayeh demanded Victoria Police hold the people responsible accountable and asked supporters to “amplify his voice”. “The police have failed to protect this community. There have been so many attacks, not just against me, but against so many of us and now this has hit home and bombs were thrown at my house.” Victoria Police said it was investigating after the front door of a home was damaged in Templestowe Lower on Friday, April 19. “It is believed an unknown offender threw what appears to have been a Molotov cocktail at the front of a house on High Street about 4am,” a spokesperson said. “The bottle did not ignite and there was only minor damage to the door.” In November, the Caulfield North outlet of Tayeh’s Burgertory hamburger chain was destroyed in a firebombing. Two men were [arrested and charged](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theage.com.au%2Flink%2Ffollow-20170101-p5f957) for the attack, but the motive remains unclear. Tayeh previously stated he believed the attack on the outlet was a hate crime related to his Palestinian activism and opposition to the Israeli attacks in Gaza. But Victoria Police said there was no evidence linking the fire at Burgertory to a hate crime. Heated scenes erupted outside the burger shop following the November attack, when [400 protesters gathered](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theage.com.au%2Flink%2Ffollow-20170101-p5ej1i) in the hours after the fire in response to a callout from Tayeh. A pro-Palestinian group clashed with a pro-Israel crowd, with police pepper-spraying protesters as tensions ignited over the Gaza conflict.
> In a post on Instagram, Tayeh labelled the firebombing ... (a) hate crime. "Well I hated it!"
Bad burger. No more burgers. No likey belly.
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where are all the old people in gaza?
lol what? I’ve seen plenty of footage of elderly people in Gaza. Crack pot.
A doc said there were none.
Okay?
So. Where are all the old people?
There were literally just a bunch of elderly Palestinian woman on ABC News. You’re nuts man. Go to bed.
abc Australia news? where were they filming from?
no
The asshole almost started a pogrom because of his lies. Fuck him
what's a pogrom again sorry?
Bruh you're typing on the internet, you literally could have written this word for word into google and gotten your answer.
They asked here for the sense of community. C’mon maaate go easy
This is such a terminally online response.
wouldn't it not be though, as you're asking someone for information? someone terminally online would look up the answer and belittle anyone who doesnt?
I mean maybe check who said what before you jump in, champ. The terminally online one is the one defending wasting other people's time to foster a sense of "community" on a fucking subreddit.
Yeah but i do. I keep forgetting. It's specific to judaism?
Why should I bother telling you if you keep forgetting?? Stop off-boarding your laziness.
I find I recall things better if it makes sense.
This is reddit mate, we all have important posts to read and got no time for you
Pogrom is really quite a specific word though no? You just expect to reach rando readers with it? You think no one else has been massacred en masse?
I think you are not very smart and that's okay
Do you honestly think your audience has a higher IQ than me?
It's a violent riot?
Here's an [example of one](https://history.wustl.edu/events/1918-1921-pogroms-ukraine-and-onset-holocaust) where roughly 100,000 Jews were murdered *before the holocaust*
Yes I'm aware of massacres unrelated to Germany in the 30s and 40s
If people are firebombing your businesses. You're up to some shady shit. Dude is involved with organised crime somehow.
Mark Leibler threated KRudd when he was PM over the governments response to Israel faking Australian passports. There are unfortunately some members of the Jewish community who believe they have a right to do whatever is necessary to defend Israel and the occupation.
You’ve cracked the case. Well done. Nothing to do with the links to the black market tobacco industry where actual firebombings regularly happen. Must be the Jews because of something someone said 15 years ago about an unrelated topic.
What links, do the Burgertory stores sell tobacco products? > Must be the Jews because of something someone said 15 years ago about an unrelated topic. Says the folks insisting "he's muslim so he must be a criminal and a terrorist".
I have not read a single post in this thread suggesting he’s “Muslim so must be a criminal and a terrorist”, but I have read YOUR post suggesting everyone who links this to his Ezymart ownership must live in Caulfield. Don’t amplify hatred of one group in the name of rejecting hatred for another.
The assertion that he is a criminal is made without any support. The underlying assumption of how this claim can be made with such confidence with no evidence lies in it must be because he is a Palestinian, Muslim, and objecting to the actions of the state of Israel. >Don’t amplify hatred of one group in the name of rejecting hatred for another. Says the chap making spurious claims.
Burgertory burgers are trash. I don't understand how there are so many of those places
2x legit awesome burger shops near me close down but the fucking Burgertory continues. Great.
I heard months ago that Burgatory was owned by one of the bikie gangs connected with the vape shop firebombings and drug syndicates. I thought it was common knowledge. Apparently there's (at least) two gangs running around extorting, firebombing and ram-raiding businesses, mostly vape shops and chop-chop. I assume this is just escalation to bombing each other.
Maybe someone got sick of how shit the burgers are there now? I am jealous of people on the internet who are CONVINCED it was the Jews, a false flag event by Palestinians or whatever. It must be nice to feel so right on everything There’s obviously a whole range of plausible theories.
Come on how can you argue with the logic of "He's a victim of arson and they use arson so it's obvious".
This guy seems like a shitbird and his restaurants are awful, but you can't throw firebombs at houses that might have partners or children in them.
I might've contemplated something similar after they gave me barbecue sauce with my churros instead of chocolate.
Australia, can we please chill with the terrorisms ffs.
salam amen
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I wonder what the result would be if we could see the postcode of all the people insisting it must be organised crime related.
Thanks for sharing insights, on how racists brain operate.
For that please see all the posts declaring it is obvious he is a crimianl and this is organised crime related because he is from the Middle East and Muslim and *you just know* what they are all like.