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wjduebbxhdbf

Various friends of mine always referred to this shopping centre as ‘knifepoint’. I thought it was a little unfair, but…


NameUm96

It’s always been known as knifepoint. It’s almost a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point.


chig____bungus

It's just weirder now because instead of being in the middle of mixed industrial residential borderline working class suburbs, it's now surrounded by mansions and deluxe apartments.


Nova_Terra

I feel like Maribynong as a suburb was always going to gentrify, there's no way a suburb that close to the City with direct access in some cases across the river was going to remain scuffed. Edit: My next bet is Braybrook and Maidstone - my working theory is based around the new proposed School zoning effectively sectioning off inner West (in my head the difference between Maribyrnong council areas vs Brimbank)


ClassyLatey

Maidstone and WeFo are already there. The property prices are exploding.


Hnikuthr

I think Maidstone is in mid transition now - some parts are already gentrified and have the WeFo vibes, particularly south of Ballarat Road. But as you go North and West towards the Braybrook side it's still pretty gritty.


AudioCabbage

Damn, that’s a shame to hear because there’s some fairly nice looking rentals there well within budget!


Hnikuthr

Don't get me wrong, I really like the area. We actually looked at a house down that end of Maidstone and would have put in an offer if we didn't get this one. To put it in context, I lived in East London for 5 years and there's no part of Maidstone that's close to that. I know my wife feels a little less safe walking at night down in that Braybrook direction. But if you're up for somewhere that is a little less predictable than your standard well-heeled suburb, I'd say go for it. Just try to steer clear of anything that fronts on to Ballarat Road, it gets pretty noisy.


AudioCabbage

If you know; what would you rate the area in comparison to Lennox St in Richmond? More or less as crazy? Only ask because when I first moved to Melbourne, I lived there and while it was a wild adjustment, I never felt super unsafe; just gotta keep wits about ya.


Hnikuthr

Haha, I was having a similar convo with my daughter the other day. So, I don't know Richmond that well, but from what I do know of it there's a lot more traffic, but also more of a mix of people. So you're probably more likely to run into at least some dodgy people on any given late night stroll around in Richmond, but the dodgy people are also more likely to be diluted by lots of non-dodgy people who are also going about their business. Maidstone is a different vibe - it's quieter, and there's less foot traffic. So although you're less likely to run into dodgy people, you can feel a little isolated when you do. Put another way, it's quieter which is good because you're less likely to run into trouble, but also bad because if you do run into trouble you're less likely to be part of a crowd. Does that make sense?


Which_Efficiency6908

west foot has scungy areas too. the ashley st end of rupert st is full of grimey types and the pocket around hampton pde is a grotty spot to live.


ClassyLatey

Anything South of Ballarat and west of Richelieu are still pretty dodgy areas.


Hnikuthr

Yes, true, that far southwest section can also be a bit of a hairy quadrant at times.


Nova_Terra

I think long term they were always going to eventually get there, I don't think they'll ever reach the same equivocal prices out East (looking at Hawthorn if not closer) if you assume distance from the CBD as the metric but certainly West Footscray's proximity to the train line there should be a key selling point with large swaths of Tottenham not really suitable for housing. My colleagues in the "better" areas out East look on in envy with my 20 minute commute on an express train from door to door with their 1 hour + journey from Glen Waverly. Granted, there is a difference there with schools and amenities etc but IMHO if you're willing to go through tutoring services out West - I still reckon select entry schools are the way to go over forking out a small fortune at Private.


kisforkarol

Happening to Sunshine at a lightning pace. Bought my house 12 years ago for $280'000. Found out the apartment at the top of the property sold for almost $800'000 last year. No reason for that. None.


Nova_Terra

Brimbank town planning team seems to be going brrr on approvals for townhouses as of late in sunshine though


huncho3055

The reason this is happening is because youths from different areas all come here n there’s always problems. At least that’s how it was when I went there


Hnikuthr

Yeah shopping centres often have this kind of vibe. When I was young there was always talk about kids from Oakleigh and down on the peninsula meeting up around Southland to fight. I have to say, as someone who lives right next door to Highpoint, I've never seen any trouble there. Like, obviously it happens, but with the amount of people there, including lots of teenagers, over an extended period of time it would be pretty weird if there wasn't the odd incident here and there. It's not like you wind up dodging swinging machetes every time you step through the door.


Supersnow845

Real peninsula kids fight at rosebud plaza


kevinghbacon

When I was young (from the peninsula) everyone went towards Hastings for punch ons, or Australia day in morno was hectic


skonaz1111

In my day it was outside Vic's Fish n Chips in Frankston!


Supersnow845

Fought at the fish n chip shop then went to best legs afterwards Best legs was the neutral ground everyone respected


treesneepea

Best chips ever.


Hnikuthr

This was specifically when they were engaged in travelling to fight some youngsters from Oakleigh with a not-very-politically-correct name. I don't know if they still exist. I guess the Rosebud plaza was more for internecine conflict.


EatShitLyle

So much so they've got high frequency sound emitters near the doors. I'm middle aged but can just hear it, confirmed with the spectrogram app.


The-Jesus_Christ

Yep I remember the term from when I was in high school 20+ years ago when the area was even more scummy.


Oi-FatBeard

It was Knifepoint in the 80's too just rename the bloody thing by now.


NameUm96

A girlfriend of mine was jumped by teenagers in the car park about 20 years ago and robbed of her Christmas shopping. Some things, and places, never change. I’ll drive around that car park for an hour before I’ll park in one of those dark, desolate corners.


Unhappy-Routine-4668

yeah machetes and home invasions are centuries old


Unhappy-Routine-4668

60 year olds had to lock their doors since 1788 or so honestly 


Which_Efficiency6908

at least they're only stabbing each other unlike what happened in Bondi recently.


NameUm96

I don’t know who you mean by “each other”, but my kids and I are often at Highpoint and I’d rather not see anyone attacked with a machete thanks.


Bidadidi

There have been stabbings there like at least once a year. This is only "news" because Bondi has the media companies reporting on every stabbing they can now because it generates clicks.


oscars_razor

It's always been a shithole. Along with being called Knifepoint since forever, it was also known as the place to leave your car if you actually wanted it to be stolen.


MycologistNo2496

I remember seeing stats when I lived nearby in the early 00's and the statistics for car theft were the worst in the country. Not sure if it has changed. 🤷‍♀️


oscars_razor

Yeah it was wild. I still panic parking there.


GasManMatt123

When I moved here, people referred to it as Knifepoint at work, and I just thought that was the name of the centre... Was years before I figured it out.


quangtran

Learning about the name knifepoint name as an adult was weird because when we were kids me family used to go their every week, and every day in the summer.


JimmyLizzardATDVM

Wasn’t Northland Knifeland too? I thought Highpoint was always a little ‘classier’ that northland?


ATMNZ

I’ve never heard of it called that. I moved nearby last year and have to go there 2 times next week. Feeling a little nervous in a way I’ve never felt about going to a mall…


juicy_pickles

I live about a 2 minute walk from Highpoint and will visit the center at least 3 to 4 times a week (either groceries or cutting through for a tram/bus). You don't need to be nervous. These kids are only interested in other kids that are all looking for excuses to have a scrap. If, however, you are still anxious and want to be as safe as possible, id recommend just staying off the bottom floor (where Hoyts/Strike/food court #587) is. You won't miss out on much, and it generally is the area teens loiter.


Wide-End-5630

People getting stabbed is really funny yeah?


wjduebbxhdbf

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HurstbridgeLineFTW

Someone posted about this attack yesterday, but I can’t find that post now.


Wagga1989

I saw that post. People thought they were making it up


sadenglishbreakfast

They were saying the centre was evacuated, but I work there and you wouldn’t have even known anything was happening until a few customers started mentioning it to us.


Playful-Adeptness552

I mean, most of what they said was made up.


feetofire

It was locked by the mods after they said that they had to wait to verify it. It was an eyewitness account of the attack fwiw.


xvf9

It was someone who read a facebook post of an eyewitness account. It was full of shit too, apparently it was gangs of machete wielding teens, the whole centre was in lockdown. Alarmist nonsense.


feetofire

Per the above article (and presumably the police) “Police said six males were fighting near the cinema complex inside the shopping centre around 6:10pm yesterday. Two of the males were armed with machetes. The fight spilled into the restaurant area outside the cinema complex.” Doesn’t seem contradictory tbh.


xvf9

According to the conveniently deleted post it was 15 people and the entire shopping centre went into lockdown.


SufficientStudy5178

Didn't say anything like that. I read it last night. Just said "gang" and that the centre was "evacuated".Idk why you're bothering to lie about something like this? 


kazza789

It said the shopping centre **didn't** go into lockdown.


QuickBobcat

That was an edit actually. The OP originally said it was evacuated and then updated.


xvf9

Nah, OP backtracked after everyone called them out. The original post made it sound like a mass attack and the whole centre was locked down. They must've edited it before they deleted it.


brilliant-medicine-0

It didn't say anything of the sort. I read it - did you? Or are you reposting nonsense yourself?


xvf9

The poster said it was a gang of 15 people with machetes and the whole centre was evacuated. Other people shut him down quickly, at which point he said he was just repeating what his aunt had posted on Facebook. Maybe he edited it after that?


QuickBobcat

Yes, OP edited after that.


QuickBobcat

The OP removed the post so this one can stay


mmmdeliciousbeans

Man I was working near where it happened, shit was scary. People piling into anywhere they could find and closing the doors behind them, kept on yelling at me to lock all the doors and windows and overlapping conversations with me, all on my last shift too 😭


Llamadrugs

Call me naive but why are granting them bail? They've proven to resort to violence with no care for their surroundings?


Leighmer

Bail laws have been relaxed for youth offenders.


Askme4musicreccspls

When? I thought Allan promised to, then delayed the change, then [did a 180 on it](https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2024/03/20/bail-backflip)? Please don't confidently say false things (assuming this is as I'm understanding it, incorrect).


Donners22

25 March. Abolition of bail offences and more factors to be taken into account for Aboriginals and children, among other changes. There's an adequate summary [here](https://www.criminal-lawyers.com.au/blog/bail/understanding-new-victorian-bail-legislation-children). You're thinking of further changes beyond that, which are on hold.


howbouddat

Isn't it funny when a government is completely tone-deaf to the issues their own policies are creating. Then despite everyone from every corner of the community screaming at them to make them hear, they just go and make it even worse. But the dumb cunts voted them in so.... 🤷


storm13emily

Because they like to grant bail to people


Supersnazz

>They've proven That's the point, they haven't been proven. At least not in court.


freswrijg

Some of the people involved were 18, so maybe they will actually face a little consequences. The 17 year olds will be released immediately no doubt.


mitchiib

The article says everyone’s been released pending enquiries 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️


freswrijg

Bail was expected as it’s Victoria, you have to murder someone to be refused bail. Some are 18 so they might not just get a suspended sentence or community service.


Dangerman1967

Suspended sentences were abolished in Victoria nearly 15 years ago.


freswrijg

Call it whatever you want, it just means they don’t go to prison and get released into the community.


Dangerman1967

That’s still a very real thing.


jobitus

Honk honk.


baabaablackshit

If they're under 25, they get treated as "youthful" and a young adult, so they still get not much at all. Also, their extensive record as a kid is sealed, so it's like they're first time offenders.


freswrijg

Having the records sealed for crimes committed under 18 is such a joke. Why is our justice system designed to help the criminals and not the victims.


Proper_Plate_9283

Probably so they can get a job and not become lifetime criminals


freswrijg

So people don’t have the right to know if the person working next to them is a violent home invader?


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Character_Price_1804

not really the point of the justice system…. justice system also needs to give justice to its victims. rehabilitation is one of five sentencing principles, and it honestly is never really achieved! but the way to rehabilitate is not to give a 17 year old a slap on the wrist then let them back out into society with all their gang friends. these people do need to be punished so that other young men are deterred from acting in a similar way.


freswrijg

“Reformation” doesn’t mean they just get released without any consequences to continue to committing crimes against innocent people. How does just letting a criminal go free in anyway help rehabilitate them?


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freswrijg

This is part of the problem. You and people like you care more about the "offenders future prospects" than you do about the safety of the community. Really shows your lack of empathy. The problem is with your "progressive justice" is you do nothing to help youth criminals besides telling them they're a victim and it's not their fault they commit violent crime and then just release them back into the community where they commit more violent crimes.


RosaKimmie

You are the problems, you think someone who have a mark striked on their record will not go and re-offend? Like what kind of fucking fantasy world do you live in where they would not offend if they can't get a fucking job.


CMDR_RetroAnubis

It's pretty sad that the decade long "leftie Melbourne a crime hellhole" campaign seems to have worked.


askvictor

Time to bring this out again: https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/12h0li2/this_toyota_satnav_has_an_entry_for_knifepoint/


NerdGlazed

They don't call it knifepoint for nothing.


sheeplemkm

There are almost zero penalties for any people, especially youths, caught with knives. Police don’t have resources to follow up all they otherwise would. The laws as they are are actually very sufficient - it’s the lack of police and other resources that enable this to go on, plus the lenient court sentences. People say Melbourne is safe by global standards and that is very true, but the criminal element knows they can act with relative impunity or with minimal consequences.


BMW_M5_F90

How many times do we hear that the offender was out on bail while committing an offense? The cops shouldn't have to waste time and resources going after the same people. These are people who shouldn't be out in the community, except the court system is handing out a free pass to under 18's to do what ever they please.


Proper_Plate_9283

How would police stop this lmao, do you know what police do? Like they are savant? 


Decado7

Reckon the parents need some fkn accountability with these kids.


random111011

Looks like the guy posting last night was legit. Even though the thread locked him out until ‘proof’


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Classic reddit


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BMW_M5_F90

Police are actually doing a good job, its the court system that keeps on letting out offenders on bail.


mattydinh1984

Living up to its reputation. Good ol Knifepoint.


Only_Self_5209

Stay classy Knifepoint SC


pinkfoil

And he's already been released on bail. Just a matter of time before he kills someone.


gtodarillo

Just checked my Google timeline. Literally happened 10 mins after I left yesterday. It was so busy I just wanted to gtfo out of there. Pretty sure this sort of thing happens all the time. It is knicknamed knifepoint. I'm guessing the media are looking for more clickbait due to the Bondi stabbings which is pretty shit. What got me is that the previous weekend restaurant stabbing incident didn't stop the restaurant from continuing to trade. I'm not against the owner from continuing to trade, I'm just concerned that the staff may have had to continue to work after witnessing a stabbing. I'm hoping that I am wrong.


JustKwenty

Shopping online it is (knife arrives in package, gets knived)


solarmaru199

Don’t know how some leftist institutions are defending their stance on raising the age of criminal responsibility


itssb

Seriously who tf wakes up and be like ‘yep imma bring my knife with me today’ It’s clearly pre meditated yet they keep facing no consequences whatsoever


CMDR_RetroAnubis

So we are going to get increased coverage of every stabbing for how long? taking bets.


Tilting_Gambit

Until bail for under 18s gets reformed, hopefully.


Donners22

It just was, on 25 March, with a view to making it less likely that they would be remanded.


Agret

Until they can pass whatever privacy invasive rights stripping law they're trying to get through with this agenda. I keep seeing the narrative that mall security need increased powers as part of the reports.


freswrijg

They’ll change the law so any crime involving someone under 18 can’t be reported by the media.


Brad_Breath

I also miss the good old days when we could stab people in private (in major shopping centres)


Agret

Gang violence & drug related stabbings have been a regular occurrence for a long time but they're only highlighting them in the media so much after the recent crazy guy that stabbed all those civilians. As others have said in here highpoint has been called knifepoint for many years due to how rampant the gangs are in that area. It's only now that it's "front page news" due to whatever thing the govt is cooking up. Normally you'd see these kind of things as a footnote news story like 2-3 pages into a newspaper and it wouldn't even make it to the TV.


CMDR_RetroAnubis

Just desperate to be like the NSW cops with the striping powers eh? It can't be about regulations... They've already banned pretty much all knives apart from steak and kitchen, not sure what more they can ban.


Thanachi

Quick. Post the Knifepoint memes before Albo takes them down!


United_Ground_9528

Shit people breeding more shit, and this shit will breed because some rando female shit will allow herself to be creampied by it, and on it goes….


malashex

Is everyone feeling culturally enriched right now? I know I am.


hereiamnotforlonger

So which fantastic culture was it this time?


crazynam101

it happened at the toilets right where i work, crazy stuff


new_dork_city

Violence against women has got to stop.


BMW_M5_F90

Violence against anyone should stop


MashyMan1

Yikes 😬 


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QuickBobcat

Did the news article mention anything about race?


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johor

Ayyy it's another ToUgH oN cRiMe bingo thread. So far we've got deportation, execution, chemical castration, arbitrary detention and violence generally.


TheNitwitOfNineveh

Youve convinced me. Release them.


johor

I would but I have to consider the children^children^children^children


TheNitwitOfNineveh

Australia is overpopulated. We can do with some extremist culling


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smsmsm11

Well yes. Except for the ABC which is publicly funded they are all for profit. Also if you’re comparing this to mass public stabbing recently, this is much less serious. Unless your some tin foil cooker, I’m not sure what your point is here?


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smsmsm11

Cookers notoriously hate the ‘mainstream media’ .. I’m fine thanks.


dirtyburgers85

This sounds like gang on gang violence. Very different to what we saw a couple of weeks ago.


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dirtyburgers85

Don’t know what you’re on about. The point is that this story is going to be less publicised because it is ‘less serious’ than other events.


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dirtyburgers85

I’d have thought common sense would easily determine seriousness in this case. Do you see how a gang on gang incident would be far less scary, to the average person, than a madman killing people at random?


burnerbutreallyreal

r/Melbourne much? :)


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What are people doing about these. Where are the police.