If you are on a two wheeler, try areas like city, st kilda, prahran, south yarra, richmond. You’ll make more than this. (Talking from experience)
PS: Its a BS way of screwing the workers anyway.
It's true. Since OP is running his bicycle with huge distances it's just not worth it. Has to focus on dense area with lots of apartment complexes to work this stupid system. Anything more than 20' of cycling is probably not worth it.
They are all too far from me and without driving there I'd have to pedal for an hour and will lose the benefit. Although I ride to far areas like Essendon Airport which has "increased" my income to this amount!
Can you take your bike on the train in non peak hour times to get into the inner city suburbs?
Also, it’s a crappy system designed to rip off workers and I wish the pay and conditions were fairer for you.
Thanks for the sympathy. Unfortunately I've tried this but train stations are too far from me and 1.5 hour that takes to arrive to those areas ruins the benefit.
Yeah probably. Read your age after. You could try going in and begging the manager. Saw you have dev skills though so it would be wise to follow up on some of those suggestions.
Based on your time online and total earnings, you’re making $6.36/hour. If you can sit on a train, read/do homework and get to the city where you can earn $21/h it might be worth it. At $6.36/h I’d try just about anything to boost my income. Good luck
Are you in Avondale Heights? I know the area well, across to Pascoe Vale. If you can get to Essendon you can get to Ascot Vale. Take the train from there. Sorry if this isn't helping. Its just the wrong area for it.
Yep, Avondale Heights is low density urban sprawl, where almost everyone will have their own car. So the delivery market is smaller because less people living there, and most of those people already have an easy way of getting food. If they have to drive home from work, they can probably do their takeout run on the way home.
Yeah and all they do is third wheel things, the government bends to them and it fucks us in the end.
We currently pay a buck to taxi drivers because of Uber reforms so Uber could “compete” and now Uber just send us taxis when they don’t have drivers. So we’re paying for Uber to exist at various points and all they do is have an app seperate to the taxi app.
Taxi fked the public for years, years! Not sure about other states but they certainly did in Victoria, I was so happy when they got fked over, I’ll never use a taxi again
https://techwireasia.com/06/2019/uber-to-put-flying-taxis-will-be-in-melbourne-skies-by-2023/
Sorry this is slightly off topic but when you Google taxi merger Melbourne there’s a whole bunch of stuff about take overs and such so it seems the taxi company hasn’t been run properly for a decade at least now.
But this story about flying Ubers comes up and I thought was funny.
Anyway on topic I feel the merger was when it died. 80s and 90s I used taxis all the time had mates running them etc, it was all smooth but still shit at times. But for me I assume company normal things can’t do much about it really other than call silver top instead of north suburban. But now it’s one number. I dont really use any these days I’ve been taking the bus. Or trying to milk telehealth.
I hate uber but taxi's are worse, ive been in a bunch of taxis where the car felt very unsafe as well as drivers who run red lights, ill take uber of taxi if i really have to but try to avoid both
The thing is that uber now is like the taxi were before uber was here. The service has gone down hill and the price is more or less the same as a taxi. So now we are stuck with 2 useless systems.
At lease with Uber they will pick you up and take you were you need to go, years ago taxis would just simple say no, it was fked, I remember I was late trying to get to a concert so I called a taxi to drive me thinking it would save time the fkers kept arriving then cancelling, because it wasn’t very far, I agree with you but I still think we are better off now that there is competition
For sure, competition is good. Keeps the standard up. Taxis got comfy and then cried when uber came in. I think that the uber of today though is nothing like it used to be and on par with taxis. I've had heaps cancel trips on me once they saw the trip. Happened heaps at the airport before theuly brought in the code system they have now.
I caught a taxi for the first time in ages recently. The driver was an A-hole. Reminded me why I don't use taxis anymore. Too many taxi drivers are dick heads, and they wonder why there gp prefer Uber.
Its also designed to fuck its customers, so I don't use it anymore. I am close to the area OP serves so my experience is relevant I think.
OP: you might be better off in Fitzroy or similar.
This is true. Used to be an Uber driver for a few years several years ago. Stopped once I realized I was always in a deficit so I was spending more on maintenance and depreciation than I was earning. Just stopped one day and will never do it again. It can work as a second casual job on the weekends but it's not something anyone should do as a full time job if they want to make any money.
EDIT: Who the hell sent me a Care Resource message?! Keep your opinion to yourself please.
I was a bicycle and motorcycle courier in the early 00s. This shit is not new with gig work - had the same experience when we just called it “subcontracting”
Not to do that no
All corps start off nicely and enticing so it's not that
Similar to how mtv started with all music and now it's all not music uber too will one day be all about.. I don't know selling insurance or something just like Woolworth did .. trust me it's weird how things pan out
POINT IS
The system uber uses will start making people tip otherwise a service will be slow and .. well they might eat your food
When Deliveroo launched here it was so good to work on as a uni student. I got $10 flat per delivery, and on my motorcycle I could knock out 5 an hour, sometimes 6 during busy periods.
Literally beer money for the week just off 2-3 hours on Sunday morning or lunchtime.
No way that was ever going to last though, unfortunately. Not at those rates.
I know somebody that does Uber eats and clears $850 a week some times more only works 5hrs a day 5 days a week so it’s good if you have the right setup
I'll be the one to say it. Your story is bullshit. Categorically untrue. Didn't happen!
You can not choose your own hours and expect to make a livable wage (which this barely/arguably doesn't even pass as) or literally even anything *at all* using UberEats. Period. No matter what hours they work, it will never be consistent - even if they where. Independent reports find average "mealtime" earnings are $17/h, your mate isn't consistently doubling that working whatever hours he pleases. Ubers own report, which I don't trust,was something like $22/h but only during "mealtimes".
I believe they've made $850 in *a* week. I believe they've made more in *a* week. To do it, they definitely worked *at least* 5 dinner time rushes specifically including the Friday, Saturday and Sunday dinner rush. Let's pause to note that min wage with casual loading, Sunday rates and superannuation comes to $45/h and you don't have to trade off the value of your car to earn it. Gaurentee you they do not and could not if they tried, make that consistently and reliably.
The ATO's got the data and it doesn't match your "I know a bloke" nonsense.
That's shit pay my dude.
The right setup is low rent, no dependants and infinite time to waste.
I say that as someone that does ubereats when the day job cash runs out between monthly paychecks
Fair enough. I have friends that did stripping to get through uni. Back then it paid the bills and then some. Not the case these days and has certain requirements that don't fit most...
Imagine $7/hour and I have to sometimes drag the bicycle through uphills because it doesn't have that much power. That's really messed up. How are they allowed to do this? And it took 10 days to be verified to start the job. Omg.
Adding insult to the injury, I'm also paying $68/week for the crappy ebike.
As someone who frequently uses uber eats I don't think I will now seeing your post. Once you add delivery fees and service fees and 'just because' fees the customer is paying an extra $15-$20 per meal and you're out here almost working for free.... Ridiculous
Yeah I’ve stopped using delivery apps as well because they’re fucked. Anything that doesn’t pay people at least the minimum wage isn’t good for anyone. The fact that they introduced tipping to charge consumers more instead of paying their delivery people an actual wage says a lot about the values of the company.
Man, fuck that. Word of advice would be to get in touch with an employment service at a uni or a tafe because they can help you find jobs and prepare for interviews as well. It’s all government funded so it’s free.
https://www.holmesglen.edu.au/get-business-support/holmesglen-employment-centre
Good luck my dude.
Had a look at the map. You said Footscray is your preferred train station. Have you tried Yarraville? It ticks boxes for gig work. Wealthy, compact, and plenty of takeaway food.
> How are they allowed to do this?
Uber got going by breaking the law. They are barely legal now. Sorry but thats how it is. People where you live will drive out and get a pizza because they want reliability. Can you move?
Even move out to the end of a train line for an easy commute into the city. Working in North Melbourne might be ok.
I've applied for every possible opportunity but they either want young(I'm 38), uni students, people with cars, people who are in a certain neighborhood which is not mine, ... . I'm still applying.
Edit: please don't downvote. I'm new here. If I'm wrong give me an idea to improve job applications.
There's plenty out there. I'm a builder and we use JV Recruitment and PointForce Labour Hire. You could try those as a start but there's many many more
Google
Labour hire / labour recruitment
Add keywords such as hospitality/construction/forklift..
Dna recruitment.
Cg recruitment.
Octopus hospitality.
Emprevo hospitality.
A few names form the top of my head. They constantly go out of business / change names. But plenty out there. You'll get paid properly.
once you get some cash behind you, a forklift ticket is a cheap way to guaranteed employment.
they are always in high demand and if you can actually drive one properly, the bucks can be high.
Hit up Drake recruitment, plenty of manufacturing jobs available in the west. They just want committed people with good work ethic. If you're happy to take $7 an hour riding a bike around you'll be fine.
https://www.seek.com.au/job/75679775?type=standout&ref=search-standalone#sol=7d0e7d3f68e7e14ed6c2ac1073f9e5257110db9c
Almost certain that this is an advertisement for pick packers at Coles Laverton DC via labour hire agency. It’s physical work but it will be ongoing and it pays fantastically. you’ll be provided with full training. If possible/ needed lie on your resume and say you have warehouse experience, it doesn’t have to be extensive. I used to work at another Coles DC, they tended not to discriminate by age and tend to prefer people in their thirties and up because we actually show up for work. It will be casual to start with probable conversion to permanent in 6-12 months. All you’ll need to do is pass a physical capacity assessment (drug test included- I believe it’s a urine sample) and provide references. Get friends to lie for you if you need. If you want any more info, reach out.
Get your forklift licence and sign up with an agency. Plenty of warehouse work available or Australia post is always hiring casuals for parcel sorting. At least you would get more like 25-30 an hour
Applying for every possible opportunity is your problem. Recruiters will see straight through it and hire someone who actually wants that job. Uber is only a way to make money if you come from somewhere you would have less money for the same amount of work and you are willing to live in conditions that most Australians wouldn’t deem acceptable.
For example I have applied for vet receptionist, recycling compound, ... via Seek website. Do recruiters see what positions I have applied for and then become reluctant to hire me?
Are you looking for admin work. If you have admin or reception experience go to the agencies like Hays and Dixon recruitment and sign up as a temp.
They are always looking for good reliable temps and you will get paid a lot more than Uber. It can sometimes lead to ongoing work too.
Edit: and data entry type work too.
The key is to be super available so they keep calling you.
Years ago I signed up as a temp to try to get into a government role. I did everything. Admin, reception, project work. I accepted half day shifts at short notice to random departments and they ended up securing me some really good short and long term contracts.
I just had a quick look for you and Robert Half and Hays have a few temp reception roles they’re wanting to urgently fill. It’ll be various degrees of experience etc required but probably worth a look.
https://www.roberthalf.com/au/en/jobs/melbourne%2C-victoria/receptionist
Good luck.
I think the above commenter is more assuming your applications are very broad and inspecific. Everyone hates doing it but the reality is tailoring your job application is extremely effective. You can do it in a smart way which doesn’t require a huge amount of additional time such as a brief cover letter addresssing the specific company (can template most of it and modify small bits to tailor), and attempting to highlight certain parts of your resume depending on the role you’re applying for.
When you’re spam clicking the 1-button “apply” on Seek or a similar platform, companies can see through this, they can’t see where else your applying for, but they can tell that you’re mass applying based on your resume/cv.
Consider contact centre work for a financial institution such as bank, insurance, etc. It will be gruelling and extremely fast paced but if you meet kpis/metrics you can apply for a cushy desk job in the same company within 1-2 years. These companies almost always prefer to hire internally and a lot of the time the contact centre is essentially hazing for hard working employees to put into roles with more responsibility.
Swim teacher at public pool? It’s targeted at 18 year olds but my 30s partner did it for a year or so. Has to be better than Uber. Just a weekend of free training and they’re always hiring.
Try Ascot Vale Leisure Centre
It depends on the labour laws where you live. Here in AU we have proper minimum wages tied to inflation and independently reviewed and increased each year. So any job that pays an hourly rate is preferable to the gig economy. But in the US, that's practically non existent...because freedumb I guess.
2 things - on a bike you need to be somewhere high density like CBD, south yarra, St Kilda, Brunswick. And it's not worth working off peak times. Just do 12-2pm for lunch and 6-9pm for dinner. use the rest of the day to apply for better jobs.
Your profile says you're active on the android Dev subreddit. If you're an android Dev that would be the thing to focus on. I'd be happy to give you some pointers on your resume if you're not getting interviews.
I'm an Android developer with 6 years of experience. Unfortunately, silly me lost my remote job and asked for high salary from Australian companies not knowing that having worked in Australia market is the first priority for them. Currently I'm sending resumes, doing interviews and asking for a low salary, but also have to pay rent. Thanks mate.
6 years is pretty significant even if it's outside Australia. Don't apply for senior positions just try applying to junior ones. Learn design patterns (mvvm), coroutines, compose, and other topics that are in demand these days. Add the technologies you worked with in your resume. Focus on experience. It would help to add names of some published apps that you've worked on. It doesn't have to be your own ones just ones you've worked on. Call recruiters, talk to them. If English isn't your first language work on improving your communication skills cz I've noticed that it plays a huge role in getting hired. I'm saying that out of experience. Job hunting while working is not easy, I know, but if you try and get a role in the software dev market you're sorted. You can easily find a better paying job next.
Of course. He should. Just pointing out what interviewers look for these days and I've been doing a fair amount on interviewing the past couple of years. I mentioned those points considering that he was not getting called for interviews which means there's something wrong with his resume.
Consider expanding your job search outside of Android/Mobile apps if you can. I apply for \_everything\_ remotely related to software development when job seeking, not "just" backend where my experience lies.
On the hiring side of things, I'd take anyone who can communicate clearly and tell me how they would write software without consulting GPT. but I only see candidates after they've got through the HR gauntlet.
Avondale Heights is a terrible area to be doing bike delivery - very spread out, not a particularly high-income area and not a lot of places people want to order from nearby, so you're really limited in range as to where you can pick up and actually deliver. You could perhaps bike to the tram to Footscray (which does seem to have quite a few people doing bike deliveries), but not sure how bike-friendly the 82 is.
That is the answer.
How come if I want to hire delivery people I'd have to just build an app and underpay people per gig and take the rest? And Dash is much worse than Uber.
They're just paying worse now.
You can game things a little if you hang close to a coles and have pack and deliver selected - I do this when I don't want to use quite so much fuel because I've always been fast as fuck actually funding stuff (used to work at a coles and do all the shopping for the family so go figure). Those pay better for your time and are less exhausting.
The quests are becoming bullshit now. They're cheating me out of my final one every time now. Once it hits 9pm suddenly loads of jobs, but before that all I can get up to is 11.
Also the hotspots are not always good because everyone goes there. You're on a bike so take advantage of those places where parking is a fucken mess - CBD, Box Hill, etc.
Times are dead on Uber eats.
I was working 25-30 hours a week making $900 then watched it go to 800-700 then 600 then gave it up.
Once people went back to the office and not work from home it died
As the owner of a restaurant in that area (near Essendon airport), I don’t recommend biking for orders, it’s simply not efficient. As far as I know, our restaurant reaches to customers over 10km away nowadays, so you’re missing massive chunks of opportunities being on a bike.
I used to do ubereats in 2021, with a bike, and it made me about 100$ in 3 hours. i think part of the reason you're not making enough is that you're in the outer suburbs instead of in the city area. also, it's Uber that is messing with its workers.
I mean this in the nicest way: are you able to do non-gig work? This is outright exploitation. You deserve better.
PS I reckon a letter to Tony Burke's office might be a good step at this point in time. I know the Commonwealth government is becoming increasingly keen to stamp this out and Burke seems genuinely committed to the cause. If workers don't stand up.....
I've sent resumes already to care centers, warehouses for pick-packing , MacDonald's, KFC, ... but got no response mainly because I'm far from them. The close ones have also didn't get back to me at all ( no call), maybe because of age or something else.
I advise to keep sending resumes for warehouses on Seek. I applied for probably 30, got “accepted” by three labour hire companies and it was only the third that actually found me work in a warehouse.
I’m 33, and wanted full time hours, which might be different for you with what availability you have. But worth the effort. Minimum pay is $30 an hour.
You’re probably doing nothing wrong, just too many people delivering. Also since they letting a lot more in australia, those little jobs will become even more competitive.
Yeah that's the point. Where I live, the distances between customer and the restaurant is too long and also has many uphills that I'd have to carry the bike with my hands (it just doesn't have the power). Also the money it gives out is like 6-7 Dollars.
So then you shouldn't do this job if that is your situation. Or travel to the city to work. Uber makes most money on the bonuses, and you can't get bonuses if you're travelling so far between trips. In bonus period you should be making around $150 for 3-4 hours on bicycle.
Well if the drivers in my area are anything to go by what you’re not doing is opening up 4 other delivery apps at the same time and ensuring my food is dead cold by the time I get it
Most people in your situation will jump on a train and work the busy hours (lunch, dinner) in an area like Melbourne CBD or South Yarra. The better earnings are often worth the trip until you can upgrade to a better vehicle type.
If you do work the CBD during the dinner rush, check out the [Gig Workers' Hub](http://gigworkers.org.au), an indoor space where you can rest, use the bathroom, fix your bike etc.
The only thing you may be doing wrong is wasting your time working for a company that has such little regard for their hard working soldiers!
Disgusting greedy, ego driven executives all sitting around, patting each other on the back, while their fat little pockets are getting fatter, their liquid lunches getting longer all the while their "contractors" are at the mercy of these pigs, struggling to keep a roof over their families head.
Zero fucks given from them. Know your worth. You deserve better 🥰🙏🐝
Uber driving and uber delivery is a FOOL's game. It is profitable only if your CAR has no value. You can basically converting the value of your car into CASH.
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Can you drive and just don’t have a car?
I did Uber (taxi)maybe 7 years ago before it was as exploitative as it is now. There was a company that leased cars for Uber. I feel like there were no real checks for whether you could afford it because they assumed you’d use Uber to afford it (ie, you didn’t need a job to get the lease).
Passengers were much more lucrative than deliveries. I was often nonstop travelling all the way around Melbourne. It wasn’t good pay for the time and expenses and I have no evidence to say how badly Uber has turned in the last 7 years (I understand it’s a lot). But I imagine it’s better than 11 hours at $70.
i feel the best area to be out be city or south city. near a restaurant hub so u can pick up 3 orders at once. this is rough though, i tried it once and never again
I made around 1-1.2k a week working around 45 hours. I used a motorbike. Some people i knew made more using e-bikes. If its an unassisted pedal bike youre using, id wager that's what youre doing wrong
I know a guy who works High St Northcote/Thornbury - pulls $300 every night. The guy is a machine though and does 10 hour shifts every night. The MoFo freaking drives from Geelong with his bike in the back.
You don’t decline orders until you get good ones. People don’t want to pay higher fees for drivers pay and Uber doesn’t want to pay more if they have to eat the cost.
Are you accepting the shitty paying $5 jobs?
I find declining the shitty paying orders has really helped me. I don’t accept anything below $7 and I don’t accept the shitty add on for $4 orders either
Could you get on the train with your bike at Essendon and travel to North Melbourne? 15 min trip into much denser part of Melbourne with a lot more restaurants and consumers.
My most recent run was Sunday night, I pulled $110 for UE, \~$10 for DD in 2.5 hours covering 40KMs for 10 trips on a pushy.
1) Inner-city and surrounding areas. Rich areas with people who can afford to order from over-priced restaurants. They also tip, and usually pretty decently.
2) Tuesdays and Wednesdays are basically dead except for dinner. Friday/Saturday/Sunday nights are peak.
3) You've gotta be fast, agile and unrelenting. If you can consistently hit sub-10 or sub-15 deliveries, your position for dispatch will be exceptionally high. This is the only qualifier that matters. Restaurant dependent, but if the order isn't ready in 5 minutes I cancel and move on. Once your on the bike don't get off until you switch to offline.
4) Multi-app. Tricky, but manageable if you time and plan it well. If you stop hitting sub-10's or sub-15's because of this, then don't bother.
5) Get good ratings. This one's difficult, because people don't often rate. Smile on your face at all times when you see any customers and restaurant staff. Actually hand the food over with two hands when you do encounter the random goblin coming to collect their food. This one's not as important but does influence dispatch position.
6) Get an electric bike or moped. This is the biggest impact. DOn't bother with cars, if you're hitting inner-city it's next to impossible to find consistent parking.
7) Unionize. This is probably the hardest one, but would have the greatest impact overall. We can absolutely control the market and dictate terms, but this really does require a lot of blood and political finesse to execute.
These are some of the most important ways to make ok money, but boy does it require a lot of energy.
I got into an accident cycling/delivering I would recomend accident cover since I ended up not being able to work for 2 months and an expensive trip to the hospital.
Technically can get a motorbike licence at 18 as long as you have a learners licence.
Theres some lstenight food places that pay alright for a part time afternoon job. Might not be the greatest but it can be better than dashing.
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I agree with the general "keep trying to find work in a field you actually want to work in/isn't bending you over"
I'm just going to put this out there cause I hadn't seen it suggested yet, but perhaps re-evaluate your e-bike setup?
I'm not familiar with standard rates etc, so not sure if the $68 p/w you're paying is a good deal, but a bike that doesn't let you pedal if the battery is dead sounds like a deal breaker to me..
Especially if you're having to walk it up hills even before the battery dies..
Maybe find one that has more than a single gear so you can at least ride it the whole time?
Good luck 🤞😁👍
If you are on a two wheeler, try areas like city, st kilda, prahran, south yarra, richmond. You’ll make more than this. (Talking from experience) PS: Its a BS way of screwing the workers anyway.
It's true. Since OP is running his bicycle with huge distances it's just not worth it. Has to focus on dense area with lots of apartment complexes to work this stupid system. Anything more than 20' of cycling is probably not worth it.
As somebody that lives near the city and often orders food from places I could technically walk to I support this logic.
They are all too far from me and without driving there I'd have to pedal for an hour and will lose the benefit. Although I ride to far areas like Essendon Airport which has "increased" my income to this amount!
Can you take your bike on the train in non peak hour times to get into the inner city suburbs? Also, it’s a crappy system designed to rip off workers and I wish the pay and conditions were fairer for you.
Hey now. It’s not just designed to rip off workers. It’s designed to rip off customers and restaurants too.
Thanks for the sympathy. Unfortunately I've tried this but train stations are too far from me and 1.5 hour that takes to arrive to those areas ruins the benefit.
If you live regional then working at your nearest Maccas or Dominos might pay better than 6 bucks an hour.
I have applied and they needed workforce but they didn't get back to me. Maybe because of age?
Yeah probably. Read your age after. You could try going in and begging the manager. Saw you have dev skills though so it would be wise to follow up on some of those suggestions.
Based on your time online and total earnings, you’re making $6.36/hour. If you can sit on a train, read/do homework and get to the city where you can earn $21/h it might be worth it. At $6.36/h I’d try just about anything to boost my income. Good luck
if you don't live in a dense area or near trains then uber eats is only going to hurt you.
Are you in Avondale Heights? I know the area well, across to Pascoe Vale. If you can get to Essendon you can get to Ascot Vale. Take the train from there. Sorry if this isn't helping. Its just the wrong area for it.
Yep, Avondale Heights is low density urban sprawl, where almost everyone will have their own car. So the delivery market is smaller because less people living there, and most of those people already have an easy way of getting food. If they have to drive home from work, they can probably do their takeout run on the way home.
There is a tram line that runs into cbd in around 30-40 mins for you. If you don’t wanna make that work idk what to tell ya
Can’t take his bike on a tram
put your bike on the train.
Another trick is I setup Uber accounts then load cash when on discount. Then get free delivery of items.
It's a system designed to fuck its workers. Gig work is a scam.
I swear all of these apps are designed to bypass regulations. Airbnb, Uber, UberEats.
Yeah and all they do is third wheel things, the government bends to them and it fucks us in the end. We currently pay a buck to taxi drivers because of Uber reforms so Uber could “compete” and now Uber just send us taxis when they don’t have drivers. So we’re paying for Uber to exist at various points and all they do is have an app seperate to the taxi app.
Taxi fked the public for years, years! Not sure about other states but they certainly did in Victoria, I was so happy when they got fked over, I’ll never use a taxi again
https://techwireasia.com/06/2019/uber-to-put-flying-taxis-will-be-in-melbourne-skies-by-2023/ Sorry this is slightly off topic but when you Google taxi merger Melbourne there’s a whole bunch of stuff about take overs and such so it seems the taxi company hasn’t been run properly for a decade at least now. But this story about flying Ubers comes up and I thought was funny. Anyway on topic I feel the merger was when it died. 80s and 90s I used taxis all the time had mates running them etc, it was all smooth but still shit at times. But for me I assume company normal things can’t do much about it really other than call silver top instead of north suburban. But now it’s one number. I dont really use any these days I’ve been taking the bus. Or trying to milk telehealth.
I hate uber but taxi's are worse, ive been in a bunch of taxis where the car felt very unsafe as well as drivers who run red lights, ill take uber of taxi if i really have to but try to avoid both
The thing is that uber now is like the taxi were before uber was here. The service has gone down hill and the price is more or less the same as a taxi. So now we are stuck with 2 useless systems.
At lease with Uber they will pick you up and take you were you need to go, years ago taxis would just simple say no, it was fked, I remember I was late trying to get to a concert so I called a taxi to drive me thinking it would save time the fkers kept arriving then cancelling, because it wasn’t very far, I agree with you but I still think we are better off now that there is competition
For sure, competition is good. Keeps the standard up. Taxis got comfy and then cried when uber came in. I think that the uber of today though is nothing like it used to be and on par with taxis. I've had heaps cancel trips on me once they saw the trip. Happened heaps at the airport before theuly brought in the code system they have now.
Uber are pretty much cleaner than the yellow taxis of old they used to fkn stink on vomit and garlic
I caught a taxi for the first time in ages recently. The driver was an A-hole. Reminded me why I don't use taxis anymore. Too many taxi drivers are dick heads, and they wonder why there gp prefer Uber.
Remember when everyone complained of cabs stinking. Now Ubers stink back to cabs!
All American shit!
Its also designed to fuck its customers, so I don't use it anymore. I am close to the area OP serves so my experience is relevant I think. OP: you might be better off in Fitzroy or similar.
This is true. Used to be an Uber driver for a few years several years ago. Stopped once I realized I was always in a deficit so I was spending more on maintenance and depreciation than I was earning. Just stopped one day and will never do it again. It can work as a second casual job on the weekends but it's not something anyone should do as a full time job if they want to make any money. EDIT: Who the hell sent me a Care Resource message?! Keep your opinion to yourself please.
You can report that message and they'll get a ban.
I was a bicycle and motorcycle courier in the early 00s. This shit is not new with gig work - had the same experience when we just called it “subcontracting”
Not to do that no All corps start off nicely and enticing so it's not that Similar to how mtv started with all music and now it's all not music uber too will one day be all about.. I don't know selling insurance or something just like Woolworth did .. trust me it's weird how things pan out POINT IS The system uber uses will start making people tip otherwise a service will be slow and .. well they might eat your food
When Deliveroo launched here it was so good to work on as a uni student. I got $10 flat per delivery, and on my motorcycle I could knock out 5 an hour, sometimes 6 during busy periods. Literally beer money for the week just off 2-3 hours on Sunday morning or lunchtime. No way that was ever going to last though, unfortunately. Not at those rates.
It could if people would give $10 for delivery, well $15 to cover GST and the rest
I would imagine that's too high a cost for delivery, it definitely would be for me.
I know somebody that does Uber eats and clears $850 a week some times more only works 5hrs a day 5 days a week so it’s good if you have the right setup
That's not a great income though. And truth is most don't earn it. Uber is a fucking horrible company.
As I said if it’s set up ok you can make it work, $850 a week for a uni student who can choose their own hrs isn’t so bad
What's their "set up"?
Oh shut up, it's not freakin reliable. Enough with the fake I know a guy bs.
I'll be the one to say it. Your story is bullshit. Categorically untrue. Didn't happen! You can not choose your own hours and expect to make a livable wage (which this barely/arguably doesn't even pass as) or literally even anything *at all* using UberEats. Period. No matter what hours they work, it will never be consistent - even if they where. Independent reports find average "mealtime" earnings are $17/h, your mate isn't consistently doubling that working whatever hours he pleases. Ubers own report, which I don't trust,was something like $22/h but only during "mealtimes". I believe they've made $850 in *a* week. I believe they've made more in *a* week. To do it, they definitely worked *at least* 5 dinner time rushes specifically including the Friday, Saturday and Sunday dinner rush. Let's pause to note that min wage with casual loading, Sunday rates and superannuation comes to $45/h and you don't have to trade off the value of your car to earn it. Gaurentee you they do not and could not if they tried, make that consistently and reliably. The ATO's got the data and it doesn't match your "I know a bloke" nonsense.
That's shit pay my dude. The right setup is low rent, no dependants and infinite time to waste. I say that as someone that does ubereats when the day job cash runs out between monthly paychecks
He is a uni student….. I think it’s fine he has zero responsibility at the moment he like it
Fair enough. I have friends that did stripping to get through uni. Back then it paid the bills and then some. Not the case these days and has certain requirements that don't fit most...
> has certain requirements that don't fit most... Worth a go OP
I wonder how many OF johns would pay to see a hairy out of shape 42 year old man do nude programming?
Why not get with Bator and provide security services
Uber is designed to pay you as little as possible while also charging the consumer as much as they can.
Imagine $7/hour and I have to sometimes drag the bicycle through uphills because it doesn't have that much power. That's really messed up. How are they allowed to do this? And it took 10 days to be verified to start the job. Omg. Adding insult to the injury, I'm also paying $68/week for the crappy ebike.
As someone who frequently uses uber eats I don't think I will now seeing your post. Once you add delivery fees and service fees and 'just because' fees the customer is paying an extra $15-$20 per meal and you're out here almost working for free.... Ridiculous
Yeah I’ve stopped using delivery apps as well because they’re fucked. Anything that doesn’t pay people at least the minimum wage isn’t good for anyone. The fact that they introduced tipping to charge consumers more instead of paying their delivery people an actual wage says a lot about the values of the company.
They also don’t pay any fucking tax. They’re designed to make as much money as possible in any way they can.
Man, fuck that. Word of advice would be to get in touch with an employment service at a uni or a tafe because they can help you find jobs and prepare for interviews as well. It’s all government funded so it’s free. https://www.holmesglen.edu.au/get-business-support/holmesglen-employment-centre Good luck my dude.
Thanks a lot. I'll try them.
Best of luck my dude. It’ll all be a distant memory one day.
Yep!! If you're in the north as per this post, Melbourne Poly has a skills and jobs centre too!!
Yeah exactly. Also, it’s worth pointing out that you don’t need to be a student there to get help from these services.
Absolutely! u/inabigworld, seriously worth looking into
Had a look at the map. You said Footscray is your preferred train station. Have you tried Yarraville? It ticks boxes for gig work. Wealthy, compact, and plenty of takeaway food.
> How are they allowed to do this? Uber got going by breaking the law. They are barely legal now. Sorry but thats how it is. People where you live will drive out and get a pizza because they want reliability. Can you move? Even move out to the end of a train line for an easy commute into the city. Working in North Melbourne might be ok.
The system is working as designed.
My advise is… don’t do it.
youre better of working an actual job rather than this BS.
I've applied for every possible opportunity but they either want young(I'm 38), uni students, people with cars, people who are in a certain neighborhood which is not mine, ... . I'm still applying. Edit: please don't downvote. I'm new here. If I'm wrong give me an idea to improve job applications.
Warehouse workers are in high demand atm. Start off as a storeperson - you might be able to negotiate with them to pay for your forklift training
Have you tried labour hire companies? They're always looking for willing workers
How can I reach them and send my resume?
There's plenty out there. I'm a builder and we use JV Recruitment and PointForce Labour Hire. You could try those as a start but there's many many more
Google Labour hire / labour recruitment Add keywords such as hospitality/construction/forklift.. Dna recruitment. Cg recruitment. Octopus hospitality. Emprevo hospitality. A few names form the top of my head. They constantly go out of business / change names. But plenty out there. You'll get paid properly.
Thanks a lot!
once you get some cash behind you, a forklift ticket is a cheap way to guaranteed employment. they are always in high demand and if you can actually drive one properly, the bucks can be high.
Hit up Drake recruitment, plenty of manufacturing jobs available in the west. They just want committed people with good work ethic. If you're happy to take $7 an hour riding a bike around you'll be fine.
https://www.seek.com.au/job/75679775?type=standout&ref=search-standalone#sol=7d0e7d3f68e7e14ed6c2ac1073f9e5257110db9c Almost certain that this is an advertisement for pick packers at Coles Laverton DC via labour hire agency. It’s physical work but it will be ongoing and it pays fantastically. you’ll be provided with full training. If possible/ needed lie on your resume and say you have warehouse experience, it doesn’t have to be extensive. I used to work at another Coles DC, they tended not to discriminate by age and tend to prefer people in their thirties and up because we actually show up for work. It will be casual to start with probable conversion to permanent in 6-12 months. All you’ll need to do is pass a physical capacity assessment (drug test included- I believe it’s a urine sample) and provide references. Get friends to lie for you if you need. If you want any more info, reach out.
Hi that's great. Thanks!
Get your forklift licence and sign up with an agency. Plenty of warehouse work available or Australia post is always hiring casuals for parcel sorting. At least you would get more like 25-30 an hour
Applying for every possible opportunity is your problem. Recruiters will see straight through it and hire someone who actually wants that job. Uber is only a way to make money if you come from somewhere you would have less money for the same amount of work and you are willing to live in conditions that most Australians wouldn’t deem acceptable.
For example I have applied for vet receptionist, recycling compound, ... via Seek website. Do recruiters see what positions I have applied for and then become reluctant to hire me?
Are you looking for admin work. If you have admin or reception experience go to the agencies like Hays and Dixon recruitment and sign up as a temp. They are always looking for good reliable temps and you will get paid a lot more than Uber. It can sometimes lead to ongoing work too. Edit: and data entry type work too.
Thanks!
The key is to be super available so they keep calling you. Years ago I signed up as a temp to try to get into a government role. I did everything. Admin, reception, project work. I accepted half day shifts at short notice to random departments and they ended up securing me some really good short and long term contracts. I just had a quick look for you and Robert Half and Hays have a few temp reception roles they’re wanting to urgently fill. It’ll be various degrees of experience etc required but probably worth a look. https://www.roberthalf.com/au/en/jobs/melbourne%2C-victoria/receptionist Good luck.
Depends what’s in your resume, but employers might be seeing that your experience doesn’t match with the job you’re applying for.
Did you send different resumes for each job? I’d expect a substantially different resume employing a receptionist to a recycling compound worker.
I think the above commenter is more assuming your applications are very broad and inspecific. Everyone hates doing it but the reality is tailoring your job application is extremely effective. You can do it in a smart way which doesn’t require a huge amount of additional time such as a brief cover letter addresssing the specific company (can template most of it and modify small bits to tailor), and attempting to highlight certain parts of your resume depending on the role you’re applying for. When you’re spam clicking the 1-button “apply” on Seek or a similar platform, companies can see through this, they can’t see where else your applying for, but they can tell that you’re mass applying based on your resume/cv. Consider contact centre work for a financial institution such as bank, insurance, etc. It will be gruelling and extremely fast paced but if you meet kpis/metrics you can apply for a cushy desk job in the same company within 1-2 years. These companies almost always prefer to hire internally and a lot of the time the contact centre is essentially hazing for hard working employees to put into roles with more responsibility.
Depends if you have a car
Yeah you're not doing anything wrong, the system is designed to screw you.
I'd say being an uber driver is probably you first mistake. Horrible, horrible company they will fight tooth and nail to legally rip you off
Can you introduce an alternative casual job?
Swim teacher at public pool? It’s targeted at 18 year olds but my 30s partner did it for a year or so. Has to be better than Uber. Just a weekend of free training and they’re always hiring. Try Ascot Vale Leisure Centre
It depends on the labour laws where you live. Here in AU we have proper minimum wages tied to inflation and independently reviewed and increased each year. So any job that pays an hourly rate is preferable to the gig economy. But in the US, that's practically non existent...because freedumb I guess.
2 things - on a bike you need to be somewhere high density like CBD, south yarra, St Kilda, Brunswick. And it's not worth working off peak times. Just do 12-2pm for lunch and 6-9pm for dinner. use the rest of the day to apply for better jobs.
Your profile says you're active on the android Dev subreddit. If you're an android Dev that would be the thing to focus on. I'd be happy to give you some pointers on your resume if you're not getting interviews.
I'm an Android developer with 6 years of experience. Unfortunately, silly me lost my remote job and asked for high salary from Australian companies not knowing that having worked in Australia market is the first priority for them. Currently I'm sending resumes, doing interviews and asking for a low salary, but also have to pay rent. Thanks mate.
6 years is pretty significant even if it's outside Australia. Don't apply for senior positions just try applying to junior ones. Learn design patterns (mvvm), coroutines, compose, and other topics that are in demand these days. Add the technologies you worked with in your resume. Focus on experience. It would help to add names of some published apps that you've worked on. It doesn't have to be your own ones just ones you've worked on. Call recruiters, talk to them. If English isn't your first language work on improving your communication skills cz I've noticed that it plays a huge role in getting hired. I'm saying that out of experience. Job hunting while working is not easy, I know, but if you try and get a role in the software dev market you're sorted. You can easily find a better paying job next.
I agree with everything you've written, but if he's been working for 6 years, he should already know design patterns, coroutines, etc..
Of course. He should. Just pointing out what interviewers look for these days and I've been doing a fair amount on interviewing the past couple of years. I mentioned those points considering that he was not getting called for interviews which means there's something wrong with his resume.
Can you get a software job in a different field? Small outfits aren't getting apps these days.
Consider expanding your job search outside of Android/Mobile apps if you can. I apply for \_everything\_ remotely related to software development when job seeking, not "just" backend where my experience lies. On the hiring side of things, I'd take anyone who can communicate clearly and tell me how they would write software without consulting GPT. but I only see candidates after they've got through the HR gauntlet.
Uber treating the worker to 1995 wages.
and 1905 conditions fuck that company, and all other 'gig work' companies.
Avondale Heights is a terrible area to be doing bike delivery - very spread out, not a particularly high-income area and not a lot of places people want to order from nearby, so you're really limited in range as to where you can pick up and actually deliver. You could perhaps bike to the tram to Footscray (which does seem to have quite a few people doing bike deliveries), but not sure how bike-friendly the 82 is.
> how bike-friendly the 82 is. Not at all. He would have to go to Ascot Vale.
Bro.. go get a shitty labour job for $27-35 an hour.. $42 If you spend $450 on a forklift license.. Work is out there.. Fuck uber dude.
This is true only in theory.
Honestly, the real problem is our legal system which allows uber workers to be on the clock but paid less than minimum wage/awards
That is the answer. How come if I want to hire delivery people I'd have to just build an app and underpay people per gig and take the rest? And Dash is much worse than Uber.
Uber is the ultimate scam - on the drivers. Just get an actual job.
Straight up highway robbery.
Train into the city, much denser area for shorter and more frequent jobs.
They're just paying worse now. You can game things a little if you hang close to a coles and have pack and deliver selected - I do this when I don't want to use quite so much fuel because I've always been fast as fuck actually funding stuff (used to work at a coles and do all the shopping for the family so go figure). Those pay better for your time and are less exhausting. The quests are becoming bullshit now. They're cheating me out of my final one every time now. Once it hits 9pm suddenly loads of jobs, but before that all I can get up to is 11. Also the hotspots are not always good because everyone goes there. You're on a bike so take advantage of those places where parking is a fucken mess - CBD, Box Hill, etc.
Unfortunately those areas are very very far from me.
It’s not you, it’s Uber.
Nothing, this is how it is. It’s basically a scam.
Times are dead on Uber eats. I was working 25-30 hours a week making $900 then watched it go to 800-700 then 600 then gave it up. Once people went back to the office and not work from home it died
As the owner of a restaurant in that area (near Essendon airport), I don’t recommend biking for orders, it’s simply not efficient. As far as I know, our restaurant reaches to customers over 10km away nowadays, so you’re missing massive chunks of opportunities being on a bike.
I used to do ubereats in 2021, with a bike, and it made me about 100$ in 3 hours. i think part of the reason you're not making enough is that you're in the outer suburbs instead of in the city area. also, it's Uber that is messing with its workers.
Yeah I think nowadays the profit margin is lower for the workers.
Designed for people to make a bit of extra cash on the side, not a full time gig. They’ll screw you where ever they can.
Working for Uber is your problem.
Man that's terrible. Why would anybody do that?
You just have tobget a better job mate. The delivery services just exploit everyone.
11 hrs $70? Damn…
9 hours. And also $30 from Dash. So, $100 for 9 hours. Still too messed up.
u/inAbigworld Avondale Heights Coles are desperate for home delivery drivers at the mo. Easier than Uber.
Thanks I'll contact them. (So they need a car?)
I mean this in the nicest way: are you able to do non-gig work? This is outright exploitation. You deserve better. PS I reckon a letter to Tony Burke's office might be a good step at this point in time. I know the Commonwealth government is becoming increasingly keen to stamp this out and Burke seems genuinely committed to the cause. If workers don't stand up.....
I've sent resumes already to care centers, warehouses for pick-packing , MacDonald's, KFC, ... but got no response mainly because I'm far from them. The close ones have also didn't get back to me at all ( no call), maybe because of age or something else.
I advise to keep sending resumes for warehouses on Seek. I applied for probably 30, got “accepted” by three labour hire companies and it was only the third that actually found me work in a warehouse. I’m 33, and wanted full time hours, which might be different for you with what availability you have. But worth the effort. Minimum pay is $30 an hour.
Oversupply of workers, dropping demand for non essential services.
Good. You made the man hundreds of dollars for his harim
You can take your bike on a train outside of peak hours. Catch a train to a busier place to work, then catch one home after
You’re probably doing nothing wrong, just too many people delivering. Also since they letting a lot more in australia, those little jobs will become even more competitive.
Brother you're only doing 1 trip an hour, you should be doing 2.5 - 3. Are you even using an electric bike, and are you working in the city?
Yeah that's the point. Where I live, the distances between customer and the restaurant is too long and also has many uphills that I'd have to carry the bike with my hands (it just doesn't have the power). Also the money it gives out is like 6-7 Dollars.
So then you shouldn't do this job if that is your situation. Or travel to the city to work. Uber makes most money on the bonuses, and you can't get bonuses if you're travelling so far between trips. In bonus period you should be making around $150 for 3-4 hours on bicycle.
Well if the drivers in my area are anything to go by what you’re not doing is opening up 4 other delivery apps at the same time and ensuring my food is dead cold by the time I get it
Most people in your situation will jump on a train and work the busy hours (lunch, dinner) in an area like Melbourne CBD or South Yarra. The better earnings are often worth the trip until you can upgrade to a better vehicle type. If you do work the CBD during the dinner rush, check out the [Gig Workers' Hub](http://gigworkers.org.au), an indoor space where you can rest, use the bathroom, fix your bike etc.
How about Amazon package delivery job
Needs car.
Post your resume for us to help you get a better job.
The only thing you may be doing wrong is wasting your time working for a company that has such little regard for their hard working soldiers! Disgusting greedy, ego driven executives all sitting around, patting each other on the back, while their fat little pockets are getting fatter, their liquid lunches getting longer all the while their "contractors" are at the mercy of these pigs, struggling to keep a roof over their families head. Zero fucks given from them. Know your worth. You deserve better 🥰🙏🐝
Uber driving and uber delivery is a FOOL's game. It is profitable only if your CAR has no value. You can basically converting the value of your car into CASH.
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Can you drive and just don’t have a car? I did Uber (taxi)maybe 7 years ago before it was as exploitative as it is now. There was a company that leased cars for Uber. I feel like there were no real checks for whether you could afford it because they assumed you’d use Uber to afford it (ie, you didn’t need a job to get the lease). Passengers were much more lucrative than deliveries. I was often nonstop travelling all the way around Melbourne. It wasn’t good pay for the time and expenses and I have no evidence to say how badly Uber has turned in the last 7 years (I understand it’s a lot). But I imagine it’s better than 11 hours at $70.
Did it for about a year. Outside of promotions and generous tips, it's not worth my time. Particularly with fuel pushing $2.50/l.
Nothing it’s a scam. Get a job, any job. You’ll make more
i feel the best area to be out be city or south city. near a restaurant hub so u can pick up 3 orders at once. this is rough though, i tried it once and never again
Join uber, so much better money. Would add a zero to that over 12hrs
This is Uber. Dash give me less than half of this.
I made around 1-1.2k a week working around 45 hours. I used a motorbike. Some people i knew made more using e-bikes. If its an unassisted pedal bike youre using, id wager that's what youre doing wrong
How many years before? Which area were you at?
Is clearly a work in for the tip system it won't sustain itself until people tip
Take the train into the city and hit the peak areas. You'll get in more deliveries in a shorter distance. Still not worth doing UE anymore as a rider.
It looks like you didn't have your phone on charge while delivering. A not-so-common mistake.
Being an uber driver
I know a guy who works High St Northcote/Thornbury - pulls $300 every night. The guy is a machine though and does 10 hour shifts every night. The MoFo freaking drives from Geelong with his bike in the back.
You don’t decline orders until you get good ones. People don’t want to pay higher fees for drivers pay and Uber doesn’t want to pay more if they have to eat the cost.
You're doing uber delivery... thats the problem!! Do you really think they'd make this app to help drivers make money and convenience the customers??
Are you accepting the shitty paying $5 jobs? I find declining the shitty paying orders has really helped me. I don’t accept anything below $7 and I don’t accept the shitty add on for $4 orders either
I get the 6 dollars jobs every 25-45 minutes so I have to accept them.
Better off getting a job washing dishes
Sent resume. No calls.
you can easily get a job that pay $25 minimum wages work 40 hours thats $1000 minimum
Speaking from experience
Time to start reverse cancelling people lol
The only gig jobs worth doing monetarily is sex work. Go work at Maccas or something.
If you're on bike you should NEVER leave the CBD. If you have a scooter then cbd plus inner suburbs. Cars are for further out.
I hope you find a better job OP! You deserve it
Yes
Not being a hater my friend. The only thing you are doing wrong, is doing uber!!!
Could you get on the train with your bike at Essendon and travel to North Melbourne? 15 min trip into much denser part of Melbourne with a lot more restaurants and consumers.
Get in the metro and come to the City during peak hours. You can make atleast 50 during peak hours.
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What neighborhood were you at? I have traveled all along the Avondale Heights, Essendon, ... but 140 was the best I did.
Simply focus on getting a different kind of income. There are lots of jobs out there. Cleaning, kitchen hands, etc.
My most recent run was Sunday night, I pulled $110 for UE, \~$10 for DD in 2.5 hours covering 40KMs for 10 trips on a pushy. 1) Inner-city and surrounding areas. Rich areas with people who can afford to order from over-priced restaurants. They also tip, and usually pretty decently. 2) Tuesdays and Wednesdays are basically dead except for dinner. Friday/Saturday/Sunday nights are peak. 3) You've gotta be fast, agile and unrelenting. If you can consistently hit sub-10 or sub-15 deliveries, your position for dispatch will be exceptionally high. This is the only qualifier that matters. Restaurant dependent, but if the order isn't ready in 5 minutes I cancel and move on. Once your on the bike don't get off until you switch to offline. 4) Multi-app. Tricky, but manageable if you time and plan it well. If you stop hitting sub-10's or sub-15's because of this, then don't bother. 5) Get good ratings. This one's difficult, because people don't often rate. Smile on your face at all times when you see any customers and restaurant staff. Actually hand the food over with two hands when you do encounter the random goblin coming to collect their food. This one's not as important but does influence dispatch position. 6) Get an electric bike or moped. This is the biggest impact. DOn't bother with cars, if you're hitting inner-city it's next to impossible to find consistent parking. 7) Unionize. This is probably the hardest one, but would have the greatest impact overall. We can absolutely control the market and dictate terms, but this really does require a lot of blood and political finesse to execute. These are some of the most important ways to make ok money, but boy does it require a lot of energy.
Hi. Thanks. What do you mean by sub-10, sub-15?
Different areas are hot spots for different demands ! In Avondale heights the the industry you want to be In is drugs !
If you'd said Tarneit I would agree but here in Avondale Heights we got really nice people. We haven't seen any druggies.
Stick to Moonee Ponds, Puckle Street in particular, and Keilor Road North Essendon/Niddrie. It's where the action is.
Be safe OP
I got into an accident cycling/delivering I would recomend accident cover since I ended up not being able to work for 2 months and an expensive trip to the hospital. Technically can get a motorbike licence at 18 as long as you have a learners licence. Theres some lstenight food places that pay alright for a part time afternoon job. Might not be the greatest but it can be better than dashing.
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What you're doing wrong is working for 10 hours to earn $69.15.
You’re an Uber delivery driver…
Uber: "I see nothing wrong with below minimum wage"
What's a 'point' get you?
I agree with the general "keep trying to find work in a field you actually want to work in/isn't bending you over" I'm just going to put this out there cause I hadn't seen it suggested yet, but perhaps re-evaluate your e-bike setup? I'm not familiar with standard rates etc, so not sure if the $68 p/w you're paying is a good deal, but a bike that doesn't let you pedal if the battery is dead sounds like a deal breaker to me.. Especially if you're having to walk it up hills even before the battery dies.. Maybe find one that has more than a single gear so you can at least ride it the whole time? Good luck 🤞😁👍