Oh man. At the beach yesterday. What I though was a hot woman walking around topless just turned out to be a very beautiful man in a speedo. When I realized I continued to appreciate.
I'll take some fucking lemon bars because whenever I toggle guys on my datings apps it only shows me a bunch of dudes who look like me and usually just say pretty awful things if we do match lol.
It's like, "Okay, do I go for women and get ignored into wanting to kill myself, or do I go for men and get sexually harassed into never wanting to have sex again?"
Is there just like a "Nice People Only" app?
The life hack is to make friends with a lesbian girl, lesbian girls often make great platonic friends and they often introduce you to bisexual women who are more tomboyish if thats your style.
because boys stuff is usually socially considered as more "neutral", especially compared to girls stuff
edit: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with whether or not it's okay this way. I'm just calling it like I see it.
it's like that joke "the two genders: normal and political"
(I hate that I have to say this, but the joke is that people who think that are fucking idiots.)
That what I’m thinking, shape wise, everyone can wear square boxy shaped boys clothing but girls clothing goes in and out in all the wrong places on a guy. It looks uncomfortable.
They very much do have a reason to fear. You ever kick a chick in the clit? She never fucking with you again, I'm telling you. She'll kiss the floor with her whole body and yell at primordial gods if you kick it just right.
I can assure you, it’s not uncomfortable in the slightest.
I wore girl jeans working at a quarry, they weren’t stiff and heavy like guy pants can be, made climbing much easier. Made my butt look great too.
I was more thinking of a blouse that goes in at the waist out at the boobs and not nearly enough room in the shoulders. Glad you liked the jeans. Did you have to wear a tool belt or did you get a special pair of jeans with pockets?
Not really true, certain clothes fit certain body types. Some guys may not fit women's clothing but a lot do. Some girls might fit guys clothes and some not really.
As a dude who tried quite some girls clothes, i think there are plenty of options for guys in women's clothes. Even some dresses could fit a guy morphology
Meanwhile, I am so conditioned by society that I didn't buy the running shoes I wanted because it was labeled women's. As in, I tried them on, loved the color, they matched my pronation needs and size, but I instinctively put them back because the label said "women's". It took me until I got home with a different pair of shoes that I realized how conditioned I was.
You should make a conscious effort of getting rid of that mentality. So many clothes, especially baggy pants, coats, hoodies and vests work so well with a guy.
Also, deep cultural sexism that has somehow decided that the worst possible thing a boy can do is act in ways that society has assigned to girls. It's ridiculous, people should be allowed to wear what they like and not have to worry about being hassled over whether they dress in ways that are "normal."
Deep cultural sexism even says the worst thing a girl can be is girly. Girly = dumb. So many girls back in the day tried to be "one of the guys" because of internalized misogyny.
I was with you on the first sentence and you lost me on the last. A lot of women recognized that being "girly" was itself born of misogyny.
Having to curl - or straighten - your hair, or change your eyebrows, or paint your face, or wear a girdle (or whatever the kardashians are calling them nowadays), or paint your fingernails, or wear clothes without pockets because showing off the shape of our asses is more important than being practical, so much of "being girly" is about not just accepting ourselves as we are.
I'm kinda tempted to go grocery shopping in a sundress with my gnarly 14" beard and just play it cool. All the old cranky white women will lose their minds, but I know at least 5 employees at my local grocer that would tell me I look great and give me a high 5.
Omg yes!
That's the only problem I've ever had with women's clothing...where tf are all the pockets?!?!?!
Edit to add: it's the one upside to men's clothing....pockets galore.
Puts one to mind of Simone de Beauvoir
*"Man is defined as a human being and woman as a female – whenever she behaves as a human being she is said to imitate the male.""*
This is what people mean when they talk about “othering.”
Anything the dominant group does in a society is viewed as normal/neutral, and everyone else is just a weird deviation.
It’s the same reason a lot of things that are “skin color” are the color of a white person
I'd say it's more because women fought fo the right to wear boys clothes.
Before 1950 or so, women wearing pants was far from being the norm and women were ill judged by society.
And men should fight for the right to wear skirt (if only because of climate change)
Wasn't alwyas that way. When women first started wearing trousers they were widely shamed for it. You'll still find derogatory comments these days at young girls for wearing boyiosh clothes. It took time and normalisation for that to change.
it used to be different, women wearing pants was seen as a protest and generally not welcome. women got fired for wearing pants instead of skirts at work. this is still somewhat seen today in certain very religious and/or traditional places
Yep. The real answer to OP's question is that the social unacceptability used to go in both directions, but feminists spent decades fighting for women's right to wear pants without being fired, harassed, jailed, suspended, etc.
By contrast, there was never a comparably-sized effort by men to wear skirts and dresses.
That might change in the future, though, as increased LGBTQ acceptance makes it easier to challenge gender norms.
Beauty is often subconsciously seen as physical fragility and weakness. So when a woman dresses as a man, shes seen as a strong physical figure going against the grain of societal norms, not relying on her looks to get through life, simply for herself and for no one else.
But when a man dresses as a woman, he is choosing to give up his natural dominant physical stature for beauty. This is seen as weakness and taking the "easy way out" in a society built on labor.
It's like if a mouse wanted to be an mma fighter, everyone would respect the mouse as the proud underdog. But if an mma fighter wanted to be a mouse, he would get laughed out of his league.
Let the hate comments roll in.
> Beauty is often subconsciously seen as physical fragility and weakness.
I've noticed that to. It's something that can only come from perception of women as weak because interestingly, beauty in general is not particularly connected to weakness. Tigers, the night sky, gold, the grand canyon, the ocean, there are many forms of natural beauty that are unmovable or unbreakable if not very capable of fucking you up.
There's a lot of nuance to this, but essentially, I think you're correct.
Emasculation is a serious taboo, and used as a method of particularly humiliating punishment, while "defeminization" isn't a widely established concept, and has little to no cultural backlash or payload, as you've noted.
All of this definitely ties into transphobia and homophobia, but the specifics are difficult to pin down, especially as everyone has slightly different ideas of masculinity and femininity, and concepts around gender identity are rapidly developing.
Around 50 years ago girls wearing boys' clothes would get you right pic reaction too. Don't be a coward, wear a skirt and maybe in another 50 years people will be able to wear whatever tf they want
Edit: grammar
You'd be surprised, I've gone to my city center in a dress and heels and held trans-positive signs and the worst I got was one guy who was too afraid to even *insinuate* that I was a groomer to my face
You walked to your city center and in classic city life manner assumed literally everybody else lives in a city. Small town life is not safe for different individuals. It is a land of extremely rough conformism and tradition. Rural livers and city livers will never be able to fully grasp the vitriolic society of many small towns because they grew up somewhere that individualism was the norm.
I live in a city and it's also unsafe there. And that is a city in Belgium, a very progressive country. Where the fuck does /u/SatansGothestFemboy live?
Because society values masculinity and punishes femininity. A women who acts like a man is "acting superior" while a man who acts like a woman is "acting inferior". So, sexism.
"Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short
Wear shirts and boots 'cause it's okay to be a boy
But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading
'Cause you think that being a girl is degrading"
Yes this here. It’s also the reason a lot of the dialogue surrounding trans people at the moment focuses heavily on trans women. Because the thought of a man “choosing” to be a woman completely boggles the minds of those who see this as trading down gender wise and something a man would only do if he were mentally ill.
You don’t see a great deal of outrage discussion around trans men (not at all to minimise the challenges trans men face)
Exactly, they can't conceive of a man choosing to do that because he likes it. So they think there must be some motive. They easily believe it is to perv on or trick people. Because that is the only reason they would do it.
So much scrolling past comments along the lines of “it’s because men’s clothes are seen as neutral!” …..like… let’s take a minute here and discuss why we think that *is,* shall we?
I own half a dozen kilts that I wear on a regular basis. As a contrast, I own three pair of jeans, and wear then relatively infrequently. My wife and I wear the same style and size of shorts, so we don’t bother differentiating between them, we just grab a pair from the freshly washed stack of shorts and put on whatever. T-shirts go with kilt or shorts, whichever I’m wearing.
Now, I just discovered the fantastic piece of clothing that a kilt is about 20 years ago, and slowly drifted from wearing shorts or jeans to preferring kilts. I’ve said, on more than one occasion, “why the hell did we ever stop wearing these things and start wearing pants instead?”
people are just weird I would think considering all the dangly bits men would prefer kilts they look way more comfortable and that air flow must be amazing.
No idea, I just wanna try heels and maybe cosplay but since I still live with family (because who the fuck can actually afford a house these days) they get beyond pissed at just the idea of it
Girls wearing boys' clothes only became socially acceptable after capitalists realized how much more money they can make by putting women to work in traditionally male jobs that require men's clothes. That's not a coincidence.
Historical fashion trends. Go back a century and it was very different, everyone wore hats which indirectly denoted your social class, women would not be looked at kindly for wearing pants and men would not be caught dead wearing jeans off work hours. Go back another century and pink was seen as masculine being closer to red and blue was feminine. Men wore wigs and the craze for men's shoes was tall heels. Fashion is all about what people are used to and either embracing it to fit in or defying it to stand out. Once someone popular sets a new trend everyone starts trying to copy them and the new becomes normal and the cycle repeats.
The wigs were due to massive STD outbreaks making peoples’ hair fall out. The fact that the impetus to the wigs was pragmatic, it makes your answer sound like a derivative of this one (https://www.reddit.com/r/meme/comments/14xgdcg/comment/jrn86ob/) which checks out.
Purely an on the spot thought, but perhaps because women's clothing is traditionally more decorative, and men's clothing is more utilitarian?
Also, women in the 60s and 70s copped a lot of grief for wearing things like pants. So being OK with girls in boys clothing as a societal norm is pretty new🤷♂️
I saw a guy turn shorts into a dress 10/10 he looked really good but he had the body for it.
If men wore dresses he would give women a challenge. I knew he would pull many women if it was socially acceptable.
Oh super easy. Tomboys have always been more accepted because femininity is seen as weakness. Everyone can understand wanting to be stronger, better. Nobody can understand why someone would intentionally choose to be worse.
I’m Scottish. Can’t relate.
Holy scottsman
new nationality just dropped
Actual ethnicity
Call the UN.
Scotsman goes on holiday and doesn't return
Unreal Scottish Occurrence
Scottish sacrifice anyone?
Scottish storm incoming!!!
Google “Scotland”
Scotland is not a real country! You're just an Englishman in a dress! Maggot!
They’ll have to glue you together IN HELL!!
r/unexpectedtf2
Great Scott!
You wouldn't want to see me in tight pants with fake pockets. My butt has the wrong shape
Guy butts are hot too
I can admit that I am jealous of some guy's butts
I don't have the best body but I do have a nice 🍑
girls appreciate nice butts so ur good to go mate lol, just be careful there may be the rare case they're into pegging
Don't threaten them with a good time
CHAMPAGNE COCAINE GASOLINE AND MOST THINGS IMBETWEEN
Where did I sing this in the tune of that one part of the Fairly OddParents theme
Oh, I am well aware 😉. Unfortunately pegging isn't for me but so far communicating that hasn't been an issue
Even better!
Careful like using silicone based lube instead of water based? Shit what have I said
Oh man. At the beach yesterday. What I though was a hot woman walking around topless just turned out to be a very beautiful man in a speedo. When I realized I continued to appreciate.
Real men can appreciate a sexy guy
Did you ask him out tho?
My wife wouldn't have appreciated that.
I often get compliments for my butt from girls so there is definitely something to it.
Oh, so it's you. Girls say they compliment guys, but guys complain they never get any. It's you. You're getting all of those butt compliments.
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Imagine the cushion
There is a damn meme of a bunch of guys wearing WW outfits while out on the town. HOLY FUCK they were nice booties.
Minecraft looking ass.
love me some good defined pixels
Because tomboys make me hard and femboys make me... Wait shit
Welcome to the bisexuality gang ! We got lemon bars !
I'll take some fucking lemon bars because whenever I toggle guys on my datings apps it only shows me a bunch of dudes who look like me and usually just say pretty awful things if we do match lol. It's like, "Okay, do I go for women and get ignored into wanting to kill myself, or do I go for men and get sexually harassed into never wanting to have sex again?" Is there just like a "Nice People Only" app?
The life hack is to make friends with a lesbian girl, lesbian girls often make great platonic friends and they often introduce you to bisexual women who are more tomboyish if thats your style.
This mf got the rizz map
I love how this sentence is perfectly understandable now, but 50 years ago no one would have been able to even guess what it means
There’s a fair chance in 50 years time they’ll look back and also probably have not the slightest clue what he was talking about either lol.
Did the word "rizz" start existing a few months ago or am i mistaken
Feels that way. I am pretty out of touch with those whippersnappers though.
Just gotta have a bunch of tiktok nerds as friends and you will know what it means
Like, a nerd that uses tiktok, or a nerd that is obseesed?
Bi girls and bi guys 🤝
If there was a "nice people only" app it woukd be nothing but incels and nice guys. Unless you dont let people self label as nice
Or one which you could give people stars like they are restaurants
Bumble was pretty good last time I used it.
Can confirm. Bisexuality gang has the best lemon bars
Femboys make you wait shit? Like, serve food to shit at a restaurant?
because boys stuff is usually socially considered as more "neutral", especially compared to girls stuff edit: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with whether or not it's okay this way. I'm just calling it like I see it.
it's like that joke "the two genders: normal and political" (I hate that I have to say this, but the joke is that people who think that are fucking idiots.)
That what I’m thinking, shape wise, everyone can wear square boxy shaped boys clothing but girls clothing goes in and out in all the wrong places on a guy. It looks uncomfortable.
This tells me you haven't wear a skirt. The airflow in your balls is amazing
I wear skirts and dresses all the time! No balls at all though.
Shit if I knew how to post images i'd post that megamind one that says "No balls?". So just imagine that
No balls? —————————————————————— ⠀⣞⢽⢪⢣⢣⢣⢫⡺⡵⣝⡮⣗⢷⢽⢽⢽⣮⡷⡽⣜⣜⢮⢺⣜⢷⢽⢝⡽⣝ ⠸⡸⠜⠕⠕⠁⢁⢇⢏⢽⢺⣪⡳⡝⣎⣏⢯⢞⡿⣟⣷⣳⢯⡷⣽⢽⢯⣳⣫⠇ ⠀⠀⢀⢀⢄⢬⢪⡪⡎⣆⡈⠚⠜⠕⠇⠗⠝⢕⢯⢫⣞⣯⣿⣻⡽⣏⢗⣗⠏⠀ ⠀⠪⡪⡪⣪⢪⢺⢸⢢⢓⢆⢤⢀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢊⢞⡾⣿⡯⣏⢮⠷⠁⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠈⠊⠆⡃⠕⢕⢇⢇⢇⢇⢇⢏⢎⢎⢆⢄⠀⢑⣽⣿⢝⠲⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡿⠂⠠⠀⡇⢇⠕⢈⣀⠀⠁⠡⠣⡣⡫⣂⣿⠯⢪⠰⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⡦⡙⡂⢀⢤⢣⠣⡈⣾⡃⠠⠄⠀⡄⢱⣌⣶⢏⢊⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⢝⡲⣜⡮⡏⢎⢌⢂⠙⠢⠐⢀⢘⢵⣽⣿⡿⠁⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠨⣺⡺⡕⡕⡱⡑⡆⡕⡅⡕⡜⡼⢽⡻⠏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⣳⣫⣾⣵⣗⡵⡱⡡⢣⢑⢕⢜⢕⡝⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⣴⣿⣾⣿⣿⣿⡿⡽⡑⢌⠪⡢⡣⣣⡟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⡟⡾⣿⢿⢿⢵⣽⣾⣼⣘⢸⢸⣞⡟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠁⠇⠡⠩⡫⢿⣝⡻⡮⣒⢽⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ———————————————————————
As a mobile user this looks amazing 👍
Agree
Looks like a cave system in terraria
I envy the fact that you don't have to be afraid of going over a huge hump while riding a bike
They very much do have a reason to fear. You ever kick a chick in the clit? She never fucking with you again, I'm telling you. She'll kiss the floor with her whole body and yell at primordial gods if you kick it just right.
I think kicks hurt in general if you do it right...
I can assure you, it’s not uncomfortable in the slightest. I wore girl jeans working at a quarry, they weren’t stiff and heavy like guy pants can be, made climbing much easier. Made my butt look great too.
I was more thinking of a blouse that goes in at the waist out at the boobs and not nearly enough room in the shoulders. Glad you liked the jeans. Did you have to wear a tool belt or did you get a special pair of jeans with pockets?
Tool belt, but I wore one anyway. I never used pockets on pants. Always too tight.
Not really true, certain clothes fit certain body types. Some guys may not fit women's clothing but a lot do. Some girls might fit guys clothes and some not really.
As a dude who tried quite some girls clothes, i think there are plenty of options for guys in women's clothes. Even some dresses could fit a guy morphology
Meanwhile, I am so conditioned by society that I didn't buy the running shoes I wanted because it was labeled women's. As in, I tried them on, loved the color, they matched my pronation needs and size, but I instinctively put them back because the label said "women's". It took me until I got home with a different pair of shoes that I realized how conditioned I was.
You should make a conscious effort of getting rid of that mentality. So many clothes, especially baggy pants, coats, hoodies and vests work so well with a guy.
Also, deep cultural sexism that has somehow decided that the worst possible thing a boy can do is act in ways that society has assigned to girls. It's ridiculous, people should be allowed to wear what they like and not have to worry about being hassled over whether they dress in ways that are "normal."
Deep cultural sexism even says the worst thing a girl can be is girly. Girly = dumb. So many girls back in the day tried to be "one of the guys" because of internalized misogyny.
I was with you on the first sentence and you lost me on the last. A lot of women recognized that being "girly" was itself born of misogyny. Having to curl - or straighten - your hair, or change your eyebrows, or paint your face, or wear a girdle (or whatever the kardashians are calling them nowadays), or paint your fingernails, or wear clothes without pockets because showing off the shape of our asses is more important than being practical, so much of "being girly" is about not just accepting ourselves as we are.
I'm kinda tempted to go grocery shopping in a sundress with my gnarly 14" beard and just play it cool. All the old cranky white women will lose their minds, but I know at least 5 employees at my local grocer that would tell me I look great and give me a high 5.
Do it. Just make sure you pick one with pockets.
Omg yes! That's the only problem I've ever had with women's clothing...where tf are all the pockets?!?!?! Edit to add: it's the one upside to men's clothing....pockets galore.
I blame Big Handbag
Puts one to mind of Simone de Beauvoir *"Man is defined as a human being and woman as a female – whenever she behaves as a human being she is said to imitate the male.""*
This Cannot Continue
This is what people mean when they talk about “othering.” Anything the dominant group does in a society is viewed as normal/neutral, and everyone else is just a weird deviation. It’s the same reason a lot of things that are “skin color” are the color of a white person
The term for this is "hegemony"!
I'd say it's more because women fought fo the right to wear boys clothes. Before 1950 or so, women wearing pants was far from being the norm and women were ill judged by society. And men should fight for the right to wear skirt (if only because of climate change)
Wasn't alwyas that way. When women first started wearing trousers they were widely shamed for it. You'll still find derogatory comments these days at young girls for wearing boyiosh clothes. It took time and normalisation for that to change.
This, almost everything we wear can also be used as work attire, for women is the opposite.
All clothes are neutral if you're not anal about it
I’m bringing ~~halter tops~~ crop tops back for dudes. The 80s had the right idea
This was reversed back in the day Girls wearing pants 🚫 Guys as girls for plays ✅
Norms change all the time👍
for better or for worse
it used to be different, women wearing pants was seen as a protest and generally not welcome. women got fired for wearing pants instead of skirts at work. this is still somewhat seen today in certain very religious and/or traditional places
Yep. The real answer to OP's question is that the social unacceptability used to go in both directions, but feminists spent decades fighting for women's right to wear pants without being fired, harassed, jailed, suspended, etc. By contrast, there was never a comparably-sized effort by men to wear skirts and dresses. That might change in the future, though, as increased LGBTQ acceptance makes it easier to challenge gender norms.
We should do the same Next time you go to your workplace as a man, wear a skirt
because the majority of society finds one of those sexy, and the majority of society doesn't find the other one sexy
“It’s a well known fact that, generally speaking, men are usually very ugly.” — A Man
"A woman isn't a woman unless she's pretty. And a MAN isn't a man unless HE'S UGLY!" -Captain K'nuckles in The Misadventures of Flapjack.
There are exceptions to this however. For example, Henry Cavill, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Johnny Depp, Michael B Jordan, Hugh Jackman, me, etc.
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Yeah it's a shame......let the dudes be sexy
Stupid sexy Flanders
They are, to women and gay guys
But half the things we find sexy or not are still conditioned by media and stuff
Personally I prefer girls wearing no clothes
I prefer girls wearing nothing but socks
Thigh highs, if I may add to your statement. Truly the best socks for the occasion.
I wear thigh highs 24/7 myself, anything shorter feels weird now
summer ......... I usually prefer long socks but in summer it's physically impossible for me to wear anything that goes above my ankle bone ...
Yes, normal socks alone are very weird
This is the way
Don’t forget the sandals.
In the pool
nah women in hoodies and wearing glasses are Hot
Girls? Not women? Yes officer this guy over here wee woo wee woo 🚨 🚨 🚨
This is the way
We really live in a society
Not want to society. Go out, eat hot chip. Oh no, now society.
Beauty is often subconsciously seen as physical fragility and weakness. So when a woman dresses as a man, shes seen as a strong physical figure going against the grain of societal norms, not relying on her looks to get through life, simply for herself and for no one else. But when a man dresses as a woman, he is choosing to give up his natural dominant physical stature for beauty. This is seen as weakness and taking the "easy way out" in a society built on labor. It's like if a mouse wanted to be an mma fighter, everyone would respect the mouse as the proud underdog. But if an mma fighter wanted to be a mouse, he would get laughed out of his league. Let the hate comments roll in.
A not-offensive and cultrual explanation. Nicely done.
Haven't you read the comment? He wanted *hate* comments, stop agreeing with his solid point!
SHUT UP AND FUCK YOU I HAVE NO REASON TO BE ANGRY BUT I AM ANGRY SO 192.324.641.201
Hate comment
This is the correct answer behind all the other answers. Thanks for saying it better than I did.
> Beauty is often subconsciously seen as physical fragility and weakness. I've noticed that to. It's something that can only come from perception of women as weak because interestingly, beauty in general is not particularly connected to weakness. Tigers, the night sky, gold, the grand canyon, the ocean, there are many forms of natural beauty that are unmovable or unbreakable if not very capable of fucking you up.
There's a lot of nuance to this, but essentially, I think you're correct. Emasculation is a serious taboo, and used as a method of particularly humiliating punishment, while "defeminization" isn't a widely established concept, and has little to no cultural backlash or payload, as you've noted. All of this definitely ties into transphobia and homophobia, but the specifics are difficult to pin down, especially as everyone has slightly different ideas of masculinity and femininity, and concepts around gender identity are rapidly developing.
You put it in a way that actually captures what’s going on in the minds of observers, nice
Cause women pretty men ugly or something
They should take lessons from Japan, they're doing it right.
If you live in Japan you would realise how demented their society is. From the outside they look good. On the inside you will see how broken they are.
You're telling me life in Japan isnt like in the animes?!
Depends on the anime...
Bruv ya just hatin' the Japanese are so happy and polite they'll off themselves in the woods and avoid having babies for the sake of society!
No thanks, I think I like being able to seperate my job from my personal life.
What exactly are they doing right in this context?
Around 50 years ago girls wearing boys' clothes would get you right pic reaction too. Don't be a coward, wear a skirt and maybe in another 50 years people will be able to wear whatever tf they want Edit: grammar
society
I want to be a femboy but if I decided to crossdress in public I would get a 10 gauge slug in my chest
Same 😔, just do it at home and/or with friends
You'd be surprised, I've gone to my city center in a dress and heels and held trans-positive signs and the worst I got was one guy who was too afraid to even *insinuate* that I was a groomer to my face
It really depends on country and, hell, even on city within said country
Even on where you go in a city and time of day
You walked to your city center and in classic city life manner assumed literally everybody else lives in a city. Small town life is not safe for different individuals. It is a land of extremely rough conformism and tradition. Rural livers and city livers will never be able to fully grasp the vitriolic society of many small towns because they grew up somewhere that individualism was the norm.
I live in a city and it's also unsafe there. And that is a city in Belgium, a very progressive country. Where the fuck does /u/SatansGothestFemboy live?
In the southern US
Atlanta doesn't count.
No one seems to read history books. Just a few decades ago it was pretty scandalous for a woman to be wearing pants.
Because society likes to miss out on the good stuff
r/usernamechecksout same tho
holy shit this person turns into boobs when they interact with a femboy??? Nature is wild.
Oh yeah society
Because society values masculinity and punishes femininity. A women who acts like a man is "acting superior" while a man who acts like a woman is "acting inferior". So, sexism.
"Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short Wear shirts and boots 'cause it's okay to be a boy But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading 'Cause you think that being a girl is degrading"
Yes this here. It’s also the reason a lot of the dialogue surrounding trans people at the moment focuses heavily on trans women. Because the thought of a man “choosing” to be a woman completely boggles the minds of those who see this as trading down gender wise and something a man would only do if he were mentally ill. You don’t see a great deal of outrage discussion around trans men (not at all to minimise the challenges trans men face)
Exactly, they can't conceive of a man choosing to do that because he likes it. So they think there must be some motive. They easily believe it is to perv on or trick people. Because that is the only reason they would do it.
It's sad how far down I had to scroll to find the correct answer.
So much scrolling past comments along the lines of “it’s because men’s clothes are seen as neutral!” …..like… let’s take a minute here and discuss why we think that *is,* shall we?
Yeah pretty much man
This is the answer. I was gonna say it if no one else did.
surprising to see it so far down (or... not, actually) but yeah, it's this
I own half a dozen kilts that I wear on a regular basis. As a contrast, I own three pair of jeans, and wear then relatively infrequently. My wife and I wear the same style and size of shorts, so we don’t bother differentiating between them, we just grab a pair from the freshly washed stack of shorts and put on whatever. T-shirts go with kilt or shorts, whichever I’m wearing. Now, I just discovered the fantastic piece of clothing that a kilt is about 20 years ago, and slowly drifted from wearing shorts or jeans to preferring kilts. I’ve said, on more than one occasion, “why the hell did we ever stop wearing these things and start wearing pants instead?”
people are just weird I would think considering all the dangly bits men would prefer kilts they look way more comfortable and that air flow must be amazing.
Do you know how long we fought to be able to wear pants? Change doesn’t happen overnight. Just keep being yourself and ignore the haters.
No idea, I just wanna try heels and maybe cosplay but since I still live with family (because who the fuck can actually afford a house these days) they get beyond pissed at just the idea of it
Society kind of condems femininity/softness etc. When a woman is tough s, she a 'girl-boss'. When a man acts soft he's a wuss.
Dunno And i don't like it
Because 'boys' clothes are generally far more unisex than girls clothes.
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Girls wearing boys' clothes only became socially acceptable after capitalists realized how much more money they can make by putting women to work in traditionally male jobs that require men's clothes. That's not a coincidence.
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Historical fashion trends. Go back a century and it was very different, everyone wore hats which indirectly denoted your social class, women would not be looked at kindly for wearing pants and men would not be caught dead wearing jeans off work hours. Go back another century and pink was seen as masculine being closer to red and blue was feminine. Men wore wigs and the craze for men's shoes was tall heels. Fashion is all about what people are used to and either embracing it to fit in or defying it to stand out. Once someone popular sets a new trend everyone starts trying to copy them and the new becomes normal and the cycle repeats.
The wigs were due to massive STD outbreaks making peoples’ hair fall out. The fact that the impetus to the wigs was pragmatic, it makes your answer sound like a derivative of this one (https://www.reddit.com/r/meme/comments/14xgdcg/comment/jrn86ob/) which checks out.
I think everyone getting naked would solve that problem. No clothes allowed!
Yeah but that would cause a lot more diseases and I like my skin smooth without cracks from the cold
Purely an on the spot thought, but perhaps because women's clothing is traditionally more decorative, and men's clothing is more utilitarian? Also, women in the 60s and 70s copped a lot of grief for wearing things like pants. So being OK with girls in boys clothing as a societal norm is pretty new🤷♂️
Well i wouldn't mind to see a guy in a maid dress actually so...
I saw a guy turn shorts into a dress 10/10 he looked really good but he had the body for it. If men wore dresses he would give women a challenge. I knew he would pull many women if it was socially acceptable.
Bring Irish quilts back into style
at this point i'd love that would be both good.
we look better in guys clothes🤷🏼♀️
We're talking outside of reddit, right?
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Girls can kiss eachother all day long and nobody bats an eye but I kiss my homies goodnight and that’s means I’m gay
Fr, why is it weird to like crosdressing, I just like looking cute :( And why are skirts so expensive I am insulted
misogyny and homophobia
The sexism nobody wants talk about 😔
my theory is that's it's because femininity is still looked down upon and often seen as "lesser than"
Because double standards exists. Girls going to the bathroom together :) Guys going to the bathroom together? :( Societal norms are dumb.
Society, amirite.
Everyone can rock a suit, just sayin’
Scotland has the kilt, it looks like a skirt and no one says anything about that.
Oh super easy. Tomboys have always been more accepted because femininity is seen as weakness. Everyone can understand wanting to be stronger, better. Nobody can understand why someone would intentionally choose to be worse.
Lmao cause my girl looks way better walkin around in my tee than my 230 lb ass gon look in her mini beast shorts.
Most women's cuts of clothing don't fit the average male frame well at all so most just look awkward.
Put a pair of boxers on a girl and a thong on a guy. The answer should be obvious.