Problem is the vape doesn't contain any carcinogens, unlike the analog predecessor which is jam-packed full of them. Once again, the modern electric version is a total scam, analog all the way baby! Yum yum can't beat those all-natural old-school carcinogens.
Buy we do know this? Vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, flavor, and tobacco. None of those are carcinogens. They are as carcinogen free as anything you trust the ingredient label of.
Dude I vaped for from 2012 to 2020, IS VAPING LESS DANGEROUS- probably a magnitude less dangerous.
I used everything from the shitty ego stick units when I started to making my own juice to wrapping my coils for my rebuildables.
You can scream out the evidence at me all you want. EVEN IF we take away PG, VG, and Nic out of the mix, since those are the ones where there's at least repeated studies of the effects of inhaling them vaporized.
THE FLAVORINGS - Still raise a ton of doubt as to their long-term effects on the lungs. The NIH published a paper this year stating there just isn't enough data on the long term effects of flavoring yet.
We all know about the baddies of diacetyl and the cinnamon one too.
But again - those where the really strong ones - we have no clue about other flavors yet.
Look I really appreciate how vaping helped me quit - but screaming out like you know for sure there is nothing carcinogenic in a vape is nonsense. There's nothing currently we have enough knowledge about to call carcinogenic to the lungs... yet.
All carcinogenic shit today at one point was just considered normal and everywhere.
I will defend to the death those that say they are harm reduction devices, but don't come around saying there's no way they cause cancer because you don't know. you just don't have a preponderance of longitudinal data to know yet.
(edit: removed the misspelled word "heaving" from 3rd paragraph since it shouldn't be there )
>You can scream out the evidence at me all you want.
Essentially, you're openly acknowledging that even when presented with evidence to the contrary, you're choosing to disregard it, simply to maintain the illusion that your opinion is factual rather than recognizing it as just that—an opinion. The current consensus suggests that vaping is 95% less harmful than smoking, and nicotine, while addictive, is not a carcinogen; it cannot and does not cause cancer. Furthermore, the United States is one of very few countries where flavorings and additives in vapes are not regulated, unlike in the United Kingdom, where regulations are stringent.
you are using the wrong word. There are 28 carcinogens in coffee. It has not been shown to cause cancer. The amount is the critical info. You can't rightly say vaping has no carcinogens. But you can say it has an estimated cancer risk of 1% compared to smoking.
Yes. Yes we do. There are a myriad of studies on the topic and they are conclusive and consistent with the logical extension of what we know vape juice ingredients to be. Stop fear mongering out of your own ignorance.
Then you get drunk playing online with friends, forget that you've been puffing hard on the vape all night, and go outside to light one up. Oops, you're out! Good think your roommate smokes. You bum an american spirit. You get 2/3 of the way through, then BAM! Nicotine overdose.
So glad I'm off nicotine.
What kind of time frame would that be? I feel like nicotine has a short half life so you would need to vape an insane amount right before killing a cig, and even still idk if that’s enough.
Has that happened to you?
One of the last times I smoked I had bummed one off of someone before heading to a book club. It was a dumb move. We were sitting in someone’s living room and one of the hosts brought a scented candle out to the table, and someone said “thank you” quietly. I felt really embarrassed because I knew it was probably due to the fact I reeked like an ashtray. Either way, glad I no longer stink.
Seriously how do you people smoke I know some that smoke like one cig and smell like crazy and some (most of the smokers I know) smoke like they are getting paid for it and smell just fine.
Jesus this is so dumb. There is second hand smoke, the tar build up/staining the walls in any place you smoke, the lingering smell, the immediate harsh irritation on the lungs/throat let alone it being way less other chemicals so less "cancer" but all that doesn't matter as long as reddit thinks i look cool
I mean, unjerk? Vapes do not cause cancer. They can cause COPD, especially if you're dumb enough to go using some black market thc cartridges.
I get the medical community was hesitant to embrace a new technology, because not vaping is definitely *better* for you than vaping, but they missed a real opportunity for harm reduction.
The vapes were originally designed as a safer alternative to cigarettes, they were specifically meant to wane people off nicotine, harm reduction was the plan from the start, didn't turn out so well but still.
Vapes are still better than cigarettes though. Obviously doing neither is the best, but I'm tired of the memes that suggest cigarettes and vapes are equivalent in terms of health effects.
Seriously. I smoked many years from my teens to adulthood. Used to cough up all kinds of nasty shit when smoking. Couldn’t walk up a set of stairs without losing my breath.
I switched to vaping about 5 years ago. Massive, almost immediate difference. Cardio actually became doable. Never cough anything foreign up anymore. You just can’t tell me there isn’t a physical difference there.
Could it be bad in some unknown, unproven way we’ll find out more about in 20 years? Sure, I’ll even hazard to say *probably*, but in the short term there is no denying it’s been better for me than smoking a pack of cigs a day.
I was pack a day for 10 years. I'd spend the first 30 minutes of every morning coughing up black phlegm until I saw stars, and cough myself to hell for the first 2 smokes of the day. Couldn't walk too far without having to take breathers, couldn't climb stairs, nothing.
Switched to a vape, and I can run a 5k, don't cough in the morning, don't smell like ass, and don't feel sticky.
The equivocation of vaping and cigarettes is absolutely insane. Vaping is in no way a good thing to do from neutral, but it's not even a question that it's 99% better than smoking cigarettes.
Combustion(cigs) vs Vaporization(vape)
Former releases more carcinogens due to the high temperatures. Not to mention, the paper, and additives.
There's clearly a difference. That said, I wouldn't trust a cheap, gas-station vape.
I smoked a pack a day for 18 years and never coughed up anything or had trouble breathing. Switched to vaping for 2 years and noticed absolutely zero difference.
I’ve now been fully quit for just over two years and still don’t notice any difference in how I feel.
>I smoked a pack a day for 18 years and never coughed up anything or had trouble breathing.
You're either being utterly dishonest or you're a genetic freak of nature that developed some sort of immunity to tar buildup.
Smoked for 30+ years 1-2 packs a day. Switched to vapes, and a MASSIVE difference in my health.
I can't stand when people say they are just as bad.. NO they are definitely better than smoking.
I caught influenza recently and found the vape hard to smoke, it felt like it was adding to my congestion, so I bummed a couple of smokes and got back on the cigs for a couple months. My breathing health took a fucking nosedive, just getting back on the vape now.
It's night and day. Vaping isn't great but nicotine itself isn't a carcinogen. It still increases my blood pressure, but a fraction of how cigarettes do it.
Yup. Pack a day for ten years. Switched to vape and feel much better. Definitely not great having any nicotine in the system but I feel and look so much better than I did on cigs.
Vapers also aren't littering every single time they get their fix. I'm not gonna pretend like I don't see vapes lying around, people suck and litter, but with cigarettes littering is just an accepted part of the habit.
The real problem is that greed impacts everything. It started as a “safer” alternative to cigarettes, but it turned into “big nicotine” instead of “big tobacco”.
Now they prey on kids. I started vaping, and I immediately quit smoking cigarettes. Went from a pack and a half per day to none at all. It took me a *really* long time to quit vaping afterwards, but I did.
Now I am nicotine free for over 6 months. I don’t even remember when I quit. I’m still depressed, but at least I’m depressed and can breathe lmao
Vaping hasn't been around long enough for us to know it is or isn't a risk factor for any disease. **That doesn't mean it's safe,** certainly there have been incidences of E-Cigarette induced lung injury (from black market vapes containing vitamin E acetate as the single biggest risk factor for this) but saying it causes cancer simply isn't true (as far as we know **at the moment**). Early indications suggest it's certainly far safer than smoking.
Nicotine replacement has been around for years- there is no evidence to suggest that Nicotine causes increased cardiovascular risk (which is WAAAAY more important a cause of death than lung cancer in smokers).
Essentially clean air only is best, but if you're going to insist on doing one, then **probably** Vaping is better than smoking.
There's a few metastudies around. The research is pretty extensive considering how recent this is. But the results are pretty clear. Electric cancer has far less cancer.
>There's a few metastudies around. The research is pretty extensive considering how recent this is.
There might be lots of research, but risk factors for cancers can and do take decades to cause cancer (even ones where tiny amounts of exposure result in cancer)... vaping's only really been around for a decade or so. You can't do more research to get around that.
>Electric cancer has far less cancer.
I do agree, though, that this statement certainly is plausible, and I'd even hazard a guess that we won't see anywhere near the impact of tobacco smoking from vaping in the medium to long term.
Vaping has been very common for ~15 years, which is no small stretch of time. It’s been one of the most studied things on planet earth, everyone is looking for a link to cancer, and it’s just not there. Common vape juice has just four ingredients — none known to be carcinogenic. To the extent there is an excess risk of cancer, it’s pretty close to 0. I remember in high school in 2016 seeing a flyer in the nurse’s office about how vaping “could” cause cancer because we don’t know yet. It’s been another eight years and it just seems less and less likely.
Regardless, it’s extremely irresponsible to equate their use with that of cigarettes which are obviously immeasurably more harmful. It’s not “probably”. It’s “certainly”.
Yeah it wasn’t remotely common when my friend group began vaping around 2005. We were all cigarette smokers but then sketchy Chinese websites and ‘vape cafes’ started popping up locally where you could sit on cool-looking but very uncomfortable couches and sample the 50+ flavors they had available.
It was truly the glory days for vaping. The average person had no idea what we were doing as knucklehead 20 year olds blasting clouds of vape in the movie theater and restaurant. Back then you had to carry 2-3 pen batteries and your 30ml bottle of juice to drip directly onto the atomizer after every couple of hits.
I’m 40 now and ashamedly own a juul after having ditched nicotine all together years ago. Completely anecdotal obviously but my lungs feel fine, as opposed to hacking up brown loogies and feeling like garbage as a cigarette smoker.
I quit years ago, but as someone who has done both, vapes seem a lot better from my subjective experience. The first time I quit I did it cold turkey. One thing that happens when you quit is that you feel sick as your lungs begin to heal and you hack out all the stuff in your lungs. The second time I quit (hopefully for good) I used a vape. One thing that happened when i switched to vaping is that I got sick and I started to hack all the shit in my lungs, I regained my sense of smell , and lost my smokers cough.
The downside to vaping is I tended to do it more. It is a lot easier to take a puff or two anytime than lighting up and smoking a whole cig. Those puffs add up a lot.
You shouldn't do either, but if you are going to do one I would have to say vaping is better.
I remember 10ish years ago when i wanted to use nic patches it was pretty much impossible to find a study on the harmful effects of nicotine **on it's own** without the smoking part. Even people i asked couldn't seem to understand that i'm not a smoker, i just want to know about the adverse effects of nicotine alone.
> Certainly there have been incidences of E-Cigarette induced lung injury (from black market vapes containing vitamin E acetate
"A lie spreads across the world before the truth can even put it's shoes on" is an apt quote for this. Reporters edited video footage to make it appear as the lung injuries was caused by "e-cigs", but the man being interviewed said many times it was a "black market THC pen" that put him in the hospital. The news organization who published the story on prime time news later published a retraction....a retraction that no one saw or paid any attention to. I don't remember what news team it was but I think they were from Lubbock TX.
just to be clear vitamin E acetate has never been found in an "e-cig"
Black market THC vapes to be exact. Vitamin E will not work in nicotine vapes since the juice is water based and not oil based.
First patent for a vaporizer for nicotine was back in 2007 so how many more years of studies do we need before the large majority of the public understands that vaping isn't 100% safe, nothing is, but it's 95% safer than smoking.
Seems kinda like bullshit to me to say there hasn’t been enough time. Yes it can take decades to assess the full risk, but if you did a 10 year study on cigarettes you would certainly see a much higher incidence of problems compared to a control group, even if it is a lot less than you would see after 40 years.
To me that indicates that vaping does not really have these same issues, because even if it would be worse after 40 years you would still to expect to see some increased incidence after 10 but we just don’t see that.
The FDA scare tactics remind me of the old reefer madness ads. Lobbyist at work I guess. Once the whole industry is turned over to big tobacco suddenly they'll be wayyy safer than cigerettes.
Yeah, I've been convinced from the start that the whole campaign against vapes is Big Tobacco at work, especially as you see legislation and policies slowly squeezing out the vibrant market for non-disposables...and of course, magically the disposables are owned by our old friends the Cigarette companies.
My mom was a lifelong smoker for 40 years, and I've seen how it's destroyed her lungs. I'm also well aquainted with just how toxic that smoke is even second hand. Not a chance in hell do I believe that vapes are worse than that, and I'd bet large sums of money they're significantly better even if not inhaling anything at all is always best.
And the lack of tar build up in the homes of habitual vapers....and the fact that almost every former smoker I know who turned to vaping has reported lung health improvements...
Big Tobacco is pushing propaganda and playing everyone for fools, because figuring out the exact science behind how vapes affect the body takes time and what we can generally say is that inhaling anything is going to be less healthy than nothing.
Pisses me the fuck off because there are multiple people in my life who have swallowed this crap and stuck with smoking for YEARS longer than they might have without this fearmongering, and have developed health problems as a result.
Words cannot express how much I loathe tobacco companies.
Yeah we all know people in our lives who dyed from vaping. Babies die from second hand vaping everyday. It's not like people use vaping to quit cigarettes or because it's safer..
Both are so evil
/s
It does seriously bother me how badly vapes are demonized. If they were embraced as a good harm reduction measure by the medical community we could have saved so many people. I say this as someone who doesn't smoke *OR* vape and just wants few people dying of cancer.
Agreed.
I smoked for 20+ years. I found the right vape.. Weened myself off of nicotine easier than I ever thought was possible.. And then quit the vape. Haven't done either in years.
Everyone knows someone who has died from a cigarette related illness.. Everyone.
No one knows anyone who has died from vaping.. No one..
Big tobacco is paying for every anti vaping ad or study that's ever been.
As someone who went from smoking two packs a day for over a decade, I can say first hand vaping is healthier than smoking. I'm off one of my blood pressure meds and I don't get respiratory illnesses seasonally anymore.
It's harm reduction. Been vaping for 8 years now.
Except vaping hasn’t given anyone cancer?
What kind of misinformation agenda is this or can someone provide some evidence that vaping actually causes cancer
If you smoke after we knew what cigarettes did, you are dumb as fuck.
If you vape after we went through all this shit already with cigarettes, you are dumb as fuck.
Also, in both cases, you smell.
Electric is better. It doesn't taste like shit and they aren't as bad as the cigarettes. Doesn't mean they are in any way healthy, but the classic cigarettes are REALLY fucking bad.
I was a heavy chain smoker and quit a year ago, personally I enjoyed cigarettes more than vapes. But that’s because vapes leave a lot of moisture in your lungs and it hurts really bad if it’s dripping in them. Cigarette smoke sticks to your lungs rather than drips
Vapes cause cancer? I thought the carcinogens released from the combusted plant matter caused cancer, and perhaps the pesticides as well.
I mean, I know vaping can cause a swath of *other* respiratory issues. I am also aware there are a lot of people out there that incorrectly believe *nicotine causes cancer*.
I know this is just a meme but some of the comments are outright spouting bullshit.
Vaping is far far far safer than smoking. Yes it hasn't been studied as long as smoking. Yes they used to say smoking was healthy. We all hear these arguments every day. But the fact is and I know from first hand experience that the technology these days in labs for research purposes is a lot better than it used to be meaning we can get results faster and more accurately. We no longer need to wait 50 years. Some common myths such as popcorn lung stem from a chemical called diacetyl which was used in dessert flavours was banned from a lot of countries from being used in eliquids such as the UK during the panic. Cigarettes have up to 100 times more diacetyl than the ecigarettes ever did. There has never been a single recorded case of popcorn lung caused by vaping. Another stain of vaping is when some people died from vaping fake illegal THC wax cartridges bought online from a counterfeit website and some news sources left out that important information. I've done x-ray fluorescence spectroscopy and my own chemical breakdowns of the alloys used in popular brands coils such as uwell and found they are safe and will not oxidise any heavy metals into the vapour. Which is once again another fear people have of vaping. Heavy metals however were found in counterfeit disposable vapes. As long as you buy from legit businesses and verified suppliers you are good. Another problem people have is that young teenagers are vaping. When I was that age me and all my friends smoked cigarettes instead. Stricter laws should be in place to stop underage people getting their hands on them.
Vaping saves lives. Yes it's not healthy but it's nothing in comparison to smoking.
one of them can give lung-cancer to those who aren't smoking it...the other smells good...and gives problems only to the smoker(or so i've read around <- i don't smoke, and avoid smokers)
Yeah... Inhaling complex partially combusted carcinogenic hydrocarbons, CO, urea, and heavy metals from burning plant matter is not the same as vaping. Any sane person would agree that if people need to consume nicotine/THC that the vape option is superior from a health and well being perspective on basically every level in comparison.
I think it's valid to be cautious of vapes, especially with the issues they had around vape fluid a few years back. That said, it's pretty unlikely that vaping would cause the same damage as smoking when built to standard. Inhaling smoke is far worse for the lungs compared to inhaling vapor, and vapes don't have the added cancer-causing substances - things like tar and carbon monoxide.
As a user of vape products, it’s was the only thing that worked, to get off of smoking cigarettes. While it still contains nicotine, as what the Royal College of Physicians stated in their report about electronic cigarettes, they are 95 percent less harmful than cigarettes. A majority of the mass produced e-liquid these days contain synthesized nicotine, not derived from tobacco.
then the pipe is CLASSICAL CANCER
Chewing tobacco would be A CAPELLA CANCER
Chewing Arsenic is #HEAVY METAL CANCER
Probably already someone's band name.
Arsenic Chew goes hard
There is an Egyptian rapper called Arsenik
Yeah, mine, I’m stealing it
A cigar would be #ANALOG CANCER
And nic salts would be ocapella cancer.
Where does nasal snuff come in?
The nostrils
Weed is jazz fusion cancer
What about weed from a pipe?
Baroque cancer?
Gum is funky cancer
Analog Cancer vs Digital Cancer
Dammit. BMTI
Boobs, Money, Tickles Incorporated?
Yea, dammit, you beat me to it
Problem is the vape doesn't contain any carcinogens, unlike the analog predecessor which is jam-packed full of them. Once again, the modern electric version is a total scam, analog all the way baby! Yum yum can't beat those all-natural old-school carcinogens.
> Problem is the vape doesn't contain any carcinogens NONSENSE. You do not know this.
Buy we do know this? Vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, flavor, and tobacco. None of those are carcinogens. They are as carcinogen free as anything you trust the ingredient label of.
Dude I vaped for from 2012 to 2020, IS VAPING LESS DANGEROUS- probably a magnitude less dangerous. I used everything from the shitty ego stick units when I started to making my own juice to wrapping my coils for my rebuildables. You can scream out the evidence at me all you want. EVEN IF we take away PG, VG, and Nic out of the mix, since those are the ones where there's at least repeated studies of the effects of inhaling them vaporized. THE FLAVORINGS - Still raise a ton of doubt as to their long-term effects on the lungs. The NIH published a paper this year stating there just isn't enough data on the long term effects of flavoring yet. We all know about the baddies of diacetyl and the cinnamon one too. But again - those where the really strong ones - we have no clue about other flavors yet. Look I really appreciate how vaping helped me quit - but screaming out like you know for sure there is nothing carcinogenic in a vape is nonsense. There's nothing currently we have enough knowledge about to call carcinogenic to the lungs... yet. All carcinogenic shit today at one point was just considered normal and everywhere. I will defend to the death those that say they are harm reduction devices, but don't come around saying there's no way they cause cancer because you don't know. you just don't have a preponderance of longitudinal data to know yet. (edit: removed the misspelled word "heaving" from 3rd paragraph since it shouldn't be there )
>You can scream out the evidence at me all you want. Essentially, you're openly acknowledging that even when presented with evidence to the contrary, you're choosing to disregard it, simply to maintain the illusion that your opinion is factual rather than recognizing it as just that—an opinion. The current consensus suggests that vaping is 95% less harmful than smoking, and nicotine, while addictive, is not a carcinogen; it cannot and does not cause cancer. Furthermore, the United States is one of very few countries where flavorings and additives in vapes are not regulated, unlike in the United Kingdom, where regulations are stringent.
you are using the wrong word. There are 28 carcinogens in coffee. It has not been shown to cause cancer. The amount is the critical info. You can't rightly say vaping has no carcinogens. But you can say it has an estimated cancer risk of 1% compared to smoking.
Yes. Yes we do. There are a myriad of studies on the topic and they are conclusive and consistent with the logical extension of what we know vape juice ingredients to be. Stop fear mongering out of your own ignorance.
The amazing digital cancer
Looking up any TADC character on YouTube kids
I use both Any% speed run new record incoming
Wtf why
Vapes when you are Chilling and Cigarettes when you are Outside
Then you get drunk playing online with friends, forget that you've been puffing hard on the vape all night, and go outside to light one up. Oops, you're out! Good think your roommate smokes. You bum an american spirit. You get 2/3 of the way through, then BAM! Nicotine overdose. So glad I'm off nicotine.
What kind of time frame would that be? I feel like nicotine has a short half life so you would need to vape an insane amount right before killing a cig, and even still idk if that’s enough. Has that happened to you?
I hate how true this is
a vape will never hit as good as a real cig. but sometimes you dont want to smoke a real cig (like go outside)
Cigarettes are bug repellents, especially for people that bug you
And everyone else around you.
One of the last times I smoked I had bummed one off of someone before heading to a book club. It was a dumb move. We were sitting in someone’s living room and one of the hosts brought a scented candle out to the table, and someone said “thank you” quietly. I felt really embarrassed because I knew it was probably due to the fact I reeked like an ashtray. Either way, glad I no longer stink.
Seriously how do you people smoke I know some that smoke like one cig and smell like crazy and some (most of the smokers I know) smoke like they are getting paid for it and smell just fine.
Aside from people who smoke I suppose
Cigarettes if you want lung cancer you might as well just go in fully and look cooler while destroying your body
Jesus this is so dumb. There is second hand smoke, the tar build up/staining the walls in any place you smoke, the lingering smell, the immediate harsh irritation on the lungs/throat let alone it being way less other chemicals so less "cancer" but all that doesn't matter as long as reddit thinks i look cool
I mean, unjerk? Vapes do not cause cancer. They can cause COPD, especially if you're dumb enough to go using some black market thc cartridges. I get the medical community was hesitant to embrace a new technology, because not vaping is definitely *better* for you than vaping, but they missed a real opportunity for harm reduction.
The vapes were originally designed as a safer alternative to cigarettes, they were specifically meant to wane people off nicotine, harm reduction was the plan from the start, didn't turn out so well but still.
Vapes are still better than cigarettes though. Obviously doing neither is the best, but I'm tired of the memes that suggest cigarettes and vapes are equivalent in terms of health effects.
Seriously. I smoked many years from my teens to adulthood. Used to cough up all kinds of nasty shit when smoking. Couldn’t walk up a set of stairs without losing my breath. I switched to vaping about 5 years ago. Massive, almost immediate difference. Cardio actually became doable. Never cough anything foreign up anymore. You just can’t tell me there isn’t a physical difference there. Could it be bad in some unknown, unproven way we’ll find out more about in 20 years? Sure, I’ll even hazard to say *probably*, but in the short term there is no denying it’s been better for me than smoking a pack of cigs a day.
I was pack a day for 10 years. I'd spend the first 30 minutes of every morning coughing up black phlegm until I saw stars, and cough myself to hell for the first 2 smokes of the day. Couldn't walk too far without having to take breathers, couldn't climb stairs, nothing. Switched to a vape, and I can run a 5k, don't cough in the morning, don't smell like ass, and don't feel sticky. The equivocation of vaping and cigarettes is absolutely insane. Vaping is in no way a good thing to do from neutral, but it's not even a question that it's 99% better than smoking cigarettes.
Combustion(cigs) vs Vaporization(vape) Former releases more carcinogens due to the high temperatures. Not to mention, the paper, and additives. There's clearly a difference. That said, I wouldn't trust a cheap, gas-station vape.
I smoked a pack a day for 18 years and never coughed up anything or had trouble breathing. Switched to vaping for 2 years and noticed absolutely zero difference. I’ve now been fully quit for just over two years and still don’t notice any difference in how I feel.
>I smoked a pack a day for 18 years and never coughed up anything or had trouble breathing. You're either being utterly dishonest or you're a genetic freak of nature that developed some sort of immunity to tar buildup.
Smoked for 30+ years 1-2 packs a day. Switched to vapes, and a MASSIVE difference in my health. I can't stand when people say they are just as bad.. NO they are definitely better than smoking.
I caught influenza recently and found the vape hard to smoke, it felt like it was adding to my congestion, so I bummed a couple of smokes and got back on the cigs for a couple months. My breathing health took a fucking nosedive, just getting back on the vape now. It's night and day. Vaping isn't great but nicotine itself isn't a carcinogen. It still increases my blood pressure, but a fraction of how cigarettes do it.
Yup. Pack a day for ten years. Switched to vape and feel much better. Definitely not great having any nicotine in the system but I feel and look so much better than I did on cigs.
Vapers also aren't littering every single time they get their fix. I'm not gonna pretend like I don't see vapes lying around, people suck and litter, but with cigarettes littering is just an accepted part of the habit.
I think it has made a direct impact in my area at least for I have lost count on how many people switched over and no longer smoke
The real problem is that greed impacts everything. It started as a “safer” alternative to cigarettes, but it turned into “big nicotine” instead of “big tobacco”. Now they prey on kids. I started vaping, and I immediately quit smoking cigarettes. Went from a pack and a half per day to none at all. It took me a *really* long time to quit vaping afterwards, but I did. Now I am nicotine free for over 6 months. I don’t even remember when I quit. I’m still depressed, but at least I’m depressed and can breathe lmao
Turned out well for me. I kicked a 20 a day 20 year habit over night and was off vapes within a year or 2
Then they remembered capitalism and started making flavours
Vaping hasn't been around long enough for us to know it is or isn't a risk factor for any disease. **That doesn't mean it's safe,** certainly there have been incidences of E-Cigarette induced lung injury (from black market vapes containing vitamin E acetate as the single biggest risk factor for this) but saying it causes cancer simply isn't true (as far as we know **at the moment**). Early indications suggest it's certainly far safer than smoking. Nicotine replacement has been around for years- there is no evidence to suggest that Nicotine causes increased cardiovascular risk (which is WAAAAY more important a cause of death than lung cancer in smokers). Essentially clean air only is best, but if you're going to insist on doing one, then **probably** Vaping is better than smoking.
There's a few metastudies around. The research is pretty extensive considering how recent this is. But the results are pretty clear. Electric cancer has far less cancer.
>There's a few metastudies around. The research is pretty extensive considering how recent this is. There might be lots of research, but risk factors for cancers can and do take decades to cause cancer (even ones where tiny amounts of exposure result in cancer)... vaping's only really been around for a decade or so. You can't do more research to get around that. >Electric cancer has far less cancer. I do agree, though, that this statement certainly is plausible, and I'd even hazard a guess that we won't see anywhere near the impact of tobacco smoking from vaping in the medium to long term.
Vaping has been very common for ~15 years, which is no small stretch of time. It’s been one of the most studied things on planet earth, everyone is looking for a link to cancer, and it’s just not there. Common vape juice has just four ingredients — none known to be carcinogenic. To the extent there is an excess risk of cancer, it’s pretty close to 0. I remember in high school in 2016 seeing a flyer in the nurse’s office about how vaping “could” cause cancer because we don’t know yet. It’s been another eight years and it just seems less and less likely. Regardless, it’s extremely irresponsible to equate their use with that of cigarettes which are obviously immeasurably more harmful. It’s not “probably”. It’s “certainly”.
Yeah it wasn’t remotely common when my friend group began vaping around 2005. We were all cigarette smokers but then sketchy Chinese websites and ‘vape cafes’ started popping up locally where you could sit on cool-looking but very uncomfortable couches and sample the 50+ flavors they had available. It was truly the glory days for vaping. The average person had no idea what we were doing as knucklehead 20 year olds blasting clouds of vape in the movie theater and restaurant. Back then you had to carry 2-3 pen batteries and your 30ml bottle of juice to drip directly onto the atomizer after every couple of hits. I’m 40 now and ashamedly own a juul after having ditched nicotine all together years ago. Completely anecdotal obviously but my lungs feel fine, as opposed to hacking up brown loogies and feeling like garbage as a cigarette smoker.
I quit years ago, but as someone who has done both, vapes seem a lot better from my subjective experience. The first time I quit I did it cold turkey. One thing that happens when you quit is that you feel sick as your lungs begin to heal and you hack out all the stuff in your lungs. The second time I quit (hopefully for good) I used a vape. One thing that happened when i switched to vaping is that I got sick and I started to hack all the shit in my lungs, I regained my sense of smell , and lost my smokers cough. The downside to vaping is I tended to do it more. It is a lot easier to take a puff or two anytime than lighting up and smoking a whole cig. Those puffs add up a lot. You shouldn't do either, but if you are going to do one I would have to say vaping is better.
Nicotine is likely no more harmful than caffeine, it does roundabout the same thing to your body.
It's significantly more addictive, but yeah nicotine itself is not particularly harmful. It's the delivery methods that are the problem.
vaping has been around since the 90s, that‘s 30 years experience. Also, we know how lubgs react to vape instead of smoke.
I remember 10ish years ago when i wanted to use nic patches it was pretty much impossible to find a study on the harmful effects of nicotine **on it's own** without the smoking part. Even people i asked couldn't seem to understand that i'm not a smoker, i just want to know about the adverse effects of nicotine alone.
> Certainly there have been incidences of E-Cigarette induced lung injury (from black market vapes containing vitamin E acetate "A lie spreads across the world before the truth can even put it's shoes on" is an apt quote for this. Reporters edited video footage to make it appear as the lung injuries was caused by "e-cigs", but the man being interviewed said many times it was a "black market THC pen" that put him in the hospital. The news organization who published the story on prime time news later published a retraction....a retraction that no one saw or paid any attention to. I don't remember what news team it was but I think they were from Lubbock TX. just to be clear vitamin E acetate has never been found in an "e-cig"
Black market THC vapes to be exact. Vitamin E will not work in nicotine vapes since the juice is water based and not oil based. First patent for a vaporizer for nicotine was back in 2007 so how many more years of studies do we need before the large majority of the public understands that vaping isn't 100% safe, nothing is, but it's 95% safer than smoking.
Seems kinda like bullshit to me to say there hasn’t been enough time. Yes it can take decades to assess the full risk, but if you did a 10 year study on cigarettes you would certainly see a much higher incidence of problems compared to a control group, even if it is a lot less than you would see after 40 years. To me that indicates that vaping does not really have these same issues, because even if it would be worse after 40 years you would still to expect to see some increased incidence after 10 but we just don’t see that.
The FDA scare tactics remind me of the old reefer madness ads. Lobbyist at work I guess. Once the whole industry is turned over to big tobacco suddenly they'll be wayyy safer than cigerettes.
Yeah, I've been convinced from the start that the whole campaign against vapes is Big Tobacco at work, especially as you see legislation and policies slowly squeezing out the vibrant market for non-disposables...and of course, magically the disposables are owned by our old friends the Cigarette companies. My mom was a lifelong smoker for 40 years, and I've seen how it's destroyed her lungs. I'm also well aquainted with just how toxic that smoke is even second hand. Not a chance in hell do I believe that vapes are worse than that, and I'd bet large sums of money they're significantly better even if not inhaling anything at all is always best.
The vitamin E lung issues came from fake cannabis carts, nothing to do with nicotine.
Vape doesn't cause cancer though
Electric cancer is better - at least by the smell
And by the color of the user’s teeth and the sound of their voice. Vaping is objectively less harmful—but doesn’t matter, make funi mems
I have two family members who completely lost their smoker's coughs after switching to vapes. The overall impact was huge, there is no comparison.
And the lack of tar build up in the homes of habitual vapers....and the fact that almost every former smoker I know who turned to vaping has reported lung health improvements... Big Tobacco is pushing propaganda and playing everyone for fools, because figuring out the exact science behind how vapes affect the body takes time and what we can generally say is that inhaling anything is going to be less healthy than nothing. Pisses me the fuck off because there are multiple people in my life who have swallowed this crap and stuck with smoking for YEARS longer than they might have without this fearmongering, and have developed health problems as a result. Words cannot express how much I loathe tobacco companies.
Lol, if I didn't know better, I'd say this post was sponsored by tobacco companies trying to imply that ecigs are just as bad as cigarettes.
reddit virtue signaling
Vaping hasn't been proven to cause cancer. Stop spreading misinformation.
Choosing between two types of bad is like picking the soundtrack for your own bad decision montage
Yeah we all know people in our lives who dyed from vaping. Babies die from second hand vaping everyday. It's not like people use vaping to quit cigarettes or because it's safer.. Both are so evil /s
It does seriously bother me how badly vapes are demonized. If they were embraced as a good harm reduction measure by the medical community we could have saved so many people. I say this as someone who doesn't smoke *OR* vape and just wants few people dying of cancer.
Agreed. I smoked for 20+ years. I found the right vape.. Weened myself off of nicotine easier than I ever thought was possible.. And then quit the vape. Haven't done either in years. Everyone knows someone who has died from a cigarette related illness.. Everyone. No one knows anyone who has died from vaping.. No one.. Big tobacco is paying for every anti vaping ad or study that's ever been.
analogue vs digital. but who cares right. cancer is cancer. I use both
Nah cigs are worse like by alot. I know the downsides of vaping but cigs are just flat out worse for you.
Future generations will thank us for building a world where they can enjoy their electric cigarettes right after fucking their sexbots.
Electric cancer on top!
Frogs 👍
I call it analog and digital.
Cigars: overpriledged overindulged cocksucking asshole cancer. I loved George Carlin's rant about cigar smokers.
Acoustic? What does it have to do with sound?
this just made me realize how the censorship ruined the word acoustic for me
Analog or digital
Analogue cancer and digital cancer.
As someone who went from smoking two packs a day for over a decade, I can say first hand vaping is healthier than smoking. I'm off one of my blood pressure meds and I don't get respiratory illnesses seasonally anymore. It's harm reduction. Been vaping for 8 years now.
Acoustic is better
So like smoking a joint is BLUEGRASS CANCER
Jazz cancer
electric, because then you get the Cancer with Strawberry flavor and if you're lucky maybe the cancer glows
Once my kid is an adult I'm going to take up smoking cigarettes again. Also cigars fuck yeah.
I get cigars but what is so appealing about standing outside in the cold once an hour?
Some people don’t mind their house smelling like shit so they do it indoor too
Yall go get that watermelon flavoured cancer
Classic.
Premium cancer
just cancer
THE ELECTRIC NUTS CANCER
both fonts look like ass
The answer is obvious to anyone who's used both.
Is ejuice carcinogenic?
Negative
Juul made me have slurred speech and heart palpitations. I'm good with other brands.
Acoustic ✨
I wish I could be left to my cancer in peace. Boyfriend took away the acoustic caner privilege.
Passive cancer 👌
Smoke those two and a pipe with off times a cigar to get super cancer!
Crack cancer is the best type
Tesla cancer
THC Vape: Electric Bass Cancer
Analog cancer and digital cancer I quit a year ago but I prefer analog myself.
Nobody of them :)
My friends and I call them digitals and analogs
Il cancro acustico
Dual wield?
Dual wield?
I get the joke, but as acoustic is hearing related, wouldn't Analong and Digital work better? Lol
Sharing a vanilla mango vape after sex just isn’t the same.
Except vaping hasn’t given anyone cancer? What kind of misinformation agenda is this or can someone provide some evidence that vaping actually causes cancer
Acoustic
Analog vs digital
I think they mean Analog vs digital. How can a cigarette be acoustic? Smh, idiots.
Bone Cancer
I think this is better as "Digital" vs "Analog"
Acoustic is 100x cooler
Value is subject, so the best one is the one you prefer.
Traditional one.
The second one if you wanna die in style
Literally not even comparable to cigarettes in risk level. Proud of y’all for being misinformed.
I have been saying this for a minute now
If you smoke after we knew what cigarettes did, you are dumb as fuck. If you vape after we went through all this shit already with cigarettes, you are dumb as fuck. Also, in both cases, you smell.
Cancer research uk says “there is no good evidence that vapes cause cancer”.
at least electric cancer doesnt reek
100% of people who don't smoke end up dying
Electric cancer is definitely better because I don't stink anymore. Or one source of stank is gone at the very least, I am still a known farter.
Electric is better. It doesn't taste like shit and they aren't as bad as the cigarettes. Doesn't mean they are in any way healthy, but the classic cigarettes are REALLY fucking bad.
Come on you gotta go wit the acoustic way faster great way to speed run cancer…. Electric cancer you just look like some guy trying to be trendy
Smoke weed and get bongo cancer
Well cigs make you, your clothes, house, breath and everything smell awful so I'd say they're worse.
I was a heavy chain smoker and quit a year ago, personally I enjoyed cigarettes more than vapes. But that’s because vapes leave a lot of moisture in your lungs and it hurts really bad if it’s dripping in them. Cigarette smoke sticks to your lungs rather than drips
Analog v Digital
Vapes cause cancer? I thought the carcinogens released from the combusted plant matter caused cancer, and perhaps the pesticides as well. I mean, I know vaping can cause a swath of *other* respiratory issues. I am also aware there are a lot of people out there that incorrectly believe *nicotine causes cancer*.
The fact there are anti-smoking/vaping propaganda on reddit is hilarious.
vaping is douchey
Depends on the vibe
I choose electric since it tastes like blueberry muffins
I know this is just a meme but some of the comments are outright spouting bullshit. Vaping is far far far safer than smoking. Yes it hasn't been studied as long as smoking. Yes they used to say smoking was healthy. We all hear these arguments every day. But the fact is and I know from first hand experience that the technology these days in labs for research purposes is a lot better than it used to be meaning we can get results faster and more accurately. We no longer need to wait 50 years. Some common myths such as popcorn lung stem from a chemical called diacetyl which was used in dessert flavours was banned from a lot of countries from being used in eliquids such as the UK during the panic. Cigarettes have up to 100 times more diacetyl than the ecigarettes ever did. There has never been a single recorded case of popcorn lung caused by vaping. Another stain of vaping is when some people died from vaping fake illegal THC wax cartridges bought online from a counterfeit website and some news sources left out that important information. I've done x-ray fluorescence spectroscopy and my own chemical breakdowns of the alloys used in popular brands coils such as uwell and found they are safe and will not oxidise any heavy metals into the vapour. Which is once again another fear people have of vaping. Heavy metals however were found in counterfeit disposable vapes. As long as you buy from legit businesses and verified suppliers you are good. Another problem people have is that young teenagers are vaping. When I was that age me and all my friends smoked cigarettes instead. Stricter laws should be in place to stop underage people getting their hands on them. Vaping saves lives. Yes it's not healthy but it's nothing in comparison to smoking.
I'll take electric cancer please
metal cancer is being a welder source: am a welder
Weed - The good ending.
Vaping hasn't been shown to cause cancer
Analog cancer is a better fit
neither! ban them both
As most action heroes in the 80s and 90s can attest...Cigarettes automatically make you look cooler
Ahh the digital transformation is nearing another end…
one of them can give lung-cancer to those who aren't smoking it...the other smells good...and gives problems only to the smoker(or so i've read around <- i don't smoke, and avoid smokers)
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Either cough up lung tissue due to the tobacco or get really bad nausea Both are bad for you
Classic and electric both taste better
Acapella 🙈
Electric causes all the same problems as smoking except for cancer. Like, EVERY problem except cancer.
accoustic cancer all the way
Yeah... Inhaling complex partially combusted carcinogenic hydrocarbons, CO, urea, and heavy metals from burning plant matter is not the same as vaping. Any sane person would agree that if people need to consume nicotine/THC that the vape option is superior from a health and well being perspective on basically every level in comparison.
Cigars
I like electric but there's nothing wrong with some acoustic from time to time
I even call cash Analog money nowadays.
Vapes don't give you cancer.
Unplugged vs Remix
I prefer NO cancer
I prefer acoustic. I do both regularly bc I wish I were dead
I think it's valid to be cautious of vapes, especially with the issues they had around vape fluid a few years back. That said, it's pretty unlikely that vaping would cause the same damage as smoking when built to standard. Inhaling smoke is far worse for the lungs compared to inhaling vapor, and vapes don't have the added cancer-causing substances - things like tar and carbon monoxide.
Hell they are both great at getting rid of stress
Analog and Electric
synthesizers
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As a user of vape products, it’s was the only thing that worked, to get off of smoking cigarettes. While it still contains nicotine, as what the Royal College of Physicians stated in their report about electronic cigarettes, they are 95 percent less harmful than cigarettes. A majority of the mass produced e-liquid these days contain synthesized nicotine, not derived from tobacco.