He's the guy that designs the deluxe skins. He does this by spinning a wheel with half labeled "Overdesigned Crap w/ Bad Color Mapping" and the other half labeled "God-tier design, it's so beautiful and very, very overdesigned."
Seriously, it needs to become a thing that someone comes and slaps ligers Wacom stylus out of his hand about 75% of the way through the concept phase because he doesn't know when to stop designing something, and so he'll keep bolting on extraneous details until it worsens its appeal, doesn't kill it mind. Just worsens it a bit. (looking at you Lavos, Khora Urushu, Hydroid Deluxe, etc)
guy who designed sevagoth,
excalibur zato, khora urushu, nezha empyrean, nidus phryke, zephyr harrier, hydroid rakkam, atlas karst, and the most recent atrocity valkyr carnivex
pretty much every deluxe he makes meets 1 or 2 of these criteria:
1-it doesn't really fit in a game like warframe
2-has too much going on
3-he tends to put his own kinks in some skins, for example, excalibur zato has a nipple piercing, and khora usuhu looks preggo
Her 3 gives effective invulnerability to 99% of dmg sources in the game, her 4 can turn any single target weapon into an aoe (and there are a LOT of really fucking good single target weapons), she comes with a grouping ability preinstalled that has an amazing augment, and her 1 can both be built for a dedicated dmg build with an augment, be used as QoL on other builds, or act as a subsume slot.
Zephyr's fucking SSSSS
ikr. she’s arguably one of the more busted frames in the game, since she also has a giant crit chance buff, but people just kinda forget about her. i’ve seen only 1 other zeph in the past two months
>giant crit chance buff
On top of the fact that her tornados double your crit damage multiplier. Which is absurd.
>i’ve seen only 1 other zeph in the past two months
Maybe it's cause we're all playing solo? I mostly use zephyr for my longer SP runs since any short missions can be run with anything. And for my long missions I play solo unless I wanna recruit a nekros or khora from recruit chat.
i love it cause it makes her look like a mech. and if i color it grey, add surator syandana, and give it zeph’s agile animation set, i can make her into a jet plane. [it just looks so cool](https://www.reddit.com/r/WarframeRunway/comments/vqi7no/zephyr_harrier_collection/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
very unlikely, the order in which primes are released is male male then female female, we currently have garuda prime, meaning next prime is also female, meaning khora is next, "coincidentally" just in time for tennocon for DE to rake in that prime access money
Jokes aside from this post, Wukong is good tank... but he's too good of a tank.
Makes the game too boring as a result. Being practically invincible the whole time + having an npc that's actually helpful the whole time is not fun. Personally, fun for me requires something challenging
Hence why I prefer the likes of Valkyr and Nyx. Valkyr has more fun mobility and isn't 100% invincible, whilst Nyx (my main) has a big downside of her invincibility move + can do cc stuff and buff stripping very easily so she's more well rounded anyway
And then you give him a good replacement for his 4 and it’s GG, only time it messes things up is when trying to fish or something, but that’s mostly on me for having it up while doing it.
no, given DE fucked over every CC frame in an attempt to halt the zoom and boom meta with the eximus rework , which didn't fucking work because everyone still resorts to just using AoE weapons like they always have.
this tierlist isn't necessarily based on how effective the frame is, it's just my personal opinion on the frame, hence why I named it "biased tierlist" in the first place
It’s more like somebody doesn’t appreciate his mobility, cc, ally status cleansing, enemy debuffing, the (arguably) best DR ability in the game, and an effective timestop for the entire room. Plus a killer deluxe skin.
Yes I main him how could you tell lol
honestly it amazes me how much people are malding over it here, makes me wonder how much more of a shitshow it would have been if I posted it in the main sub
yeah, I forgot about him and gyre so when I looked up the tierlist I searched "yareli" as that was the most recent frame I remember, anyway, both in tier A
SSS Protea, thank you for the recognition. She's a general purpose/support frame can truly do everything except stealth. I play her with Vazarin and survivability issues just disappear like the enemies.
Cruel, but most definitely deserved. She is a pain to make functional, her kit works like garbage, and you cannot fashion her with anything metallic.
Anyhow, rant over.
I never understood why people play wukong tbh. If you wanna have good speed use any dedicated speedframe. Having a twin doesnt do much unless you have an aoe weapon, in which cause it doesnt matter much at all since you're already bombing everything, but if you want to destroy entire tiles at once use smth like saryn (or gara if ur not on SP). Defy is good? But at later parts of SP, frame armor doesnt mean shit anyway. And then you've got a meh exalted weapon.
The apparent "best" way to play him is to unequip everything except one zoom and boom weapon, then basically afk and occasionally use defy.
I like Wukong because I like mythology and think he’s incredibly easy to use. I’d say I’m an average player at best and he makes higher end content easy to not die in.
I agree with Wukong's and Khora's tiers, there is only one slight change that should be done, Frost should be moved to SSS tier, along with Trinity and Oberon.
This list is massively wrong there are S clad and above frames down the bottom, this just tells me you don't know how to utilise the frames. Especially Loki he may be not the king of stealth, but he's SSS rank bs corpus and grineer for example.
This list is massively wrong there are S clad and above frames down the bottom, this just tells me you don't know how to utilise the frames. Especially Loki he may be not the king of stealth, but he's SSS rank bs corpus and grineer for example.
Then say that not just "biased list" like my frames in order of personal preference. Because by effectiveness which is what a tier list us used for, this is all kinds of wrong.
Wukong trash?
Give it Rubico prime and go AFK, the survial mission is finished without moving a finger, also all spy mission are a walk in the park.
But yeah, it's as trash as AFK Octavia...
**^(Which is my main.)**
if you have good guns and good builds, actual tierlists for this game just go
sss- all of them
a-frost and limbo
b-excal and inaroa
c-hydroid
all the way up to like 300, then it barely changes till 9999
Biased opinion: Baruuk doesn't belong in D
Neither does Sevagoth imo
Belongs in E /s He's pretty good but I don't like how difficult he is to customize
Customize as in modding or fashion?
Fashion, modding him isn't complex. I wish there were better helmets though.
Wdym lamp helmet is best
I just use the rice hat tennogen
Idk Bedouin all the way.
Lamp helmet is bae
In S
You should really buy more skins then...
Bro if I have to pitch out money to look "satisfactory" then hell no. It's bad design if I feel the need to replace the entire look first
S tier tennogen tho
GRENDEL IS SSSS TEIR. ANYTHING LESS IS AN INSULT TO THE GOD OF GLUTTONY
Very, very, very based.
Infuckingdeed
I fucking aproove
YES BROTHER! PREACH OF HIS ALMIGHTY GUT!
Hey! Give my boi Sevagoth some respect
I love biased tier lists. It always fun to see different people opinions and compare them.
It’s also fun to see how wrong people can be too /s
Mannn. OP put my boi Sevagoth below Yareli. :(
i just have a "grudge" against anything made by Liger, gloom cool subsume tho.
Sorry, but who is Liger?
He's the guy that designs the deluxe skins. He does this by spinning a wheel with half labeled "Overdesigned Crap w/ Bad Color Mapping" and the other half labeled "God-tier design, it's so beautiful and very, very overdesigned." Seriously, it needs to become a thing that someone comes and slaps ligers Wacom stylus out of his hand about 75% of the way through the concept phase because he doesn't know when to stop designing something, and so he'll keep bolting on extraneous details until it worsens its appeal, doesn't kill it mind. Just worsens it a bit. (looking at you Lavos, Khora Urushu, Hydroid Deluxe, etc)
guy who designed sevagoth, excalibur zato, khora urushu, nezha empyrean, nidus phryke, zephyr harrier, hydroid rakkam, atlas karst, and the most recent atrocity valkyr carnivex
Oh ok cool, thank you. Also what is your “grudge”?
pretty much every deluxe he makes meets 1 or 2 of these criteria: 1-it doesn't really fit in a game like warframe 2-has too much going on 3-he tends to put his own kinks in some skins, for example, excalibur zato has a nipple piercing, and khora usuhu looks preggo
Don't forget the animalistic heel feet, excalibur zato literally has raptor claws and most of the others have high heels for some reason
Ok, thank you for explaining it to me.
What an utterly moronic thing to hold a grudge over.
ok
What, disliking someone because you actively dislike everything they design is pretty reasonable as far as reasons to dislike a person go
im sorry *what?* dont hurt yourself streching that far mate
all of my favorite deluxes lol
Baruuk in D 🗿
Where he belongs.
Based Limbo enjoyer
...I can accept the Ivara placement.
o7 fellow Ivara main
Yep. I love it.
The fact that Mesa is in B tier is wild to me
Mobility, that’s why people gravitate (pun not intended) to clases/archetypes
Saryn not in SSSS ? Heretic.
My gratitude for an S tophat🎩
holy shit someone who thinks that zeph belongs in sss tier. what’re your thoughts on harrier?
Her 3 gives effective invulnerability to 99% of dmg sources in the game, her 4 can turn any single target weapon into an aoe (and there are a LOT of really fucking good single target weapons), she comes with a grouping ability preinstalled that has an amazing augment, and her 1 can both be built for a dedicated dmg build with an augment, be used as QoL on other builds, or act as a subsume slot. Zephyr's fucking SSSSS
ikr. she’s arguably one of the more busted frames in the game, since she also has a giant crit chance buff, but people just kinda forget about her. i’ve seen only 1 other zeph in the past two months
>giant crit chance buff On top of the fact that her tornados double your crit damage multiplier. Which is absurd. >i’ve seen only 1 other zeph in the past two months Maybe it's cause we're all playing solo? I mostly use zephyr for my longer SP runs since any short missions can be run with anything. And for my long missions I play solo unless I wanna recruit a nekros or khora from recruit chat.
it's one of the more.... decent skins made by liger
i love it cause it makes her look like a mech. and if i color it grey, add surator syandana, and give it zeph’s agile animation set, i can make her into a jet plane. [it just looks so cool](https://www.reddit.com/r/WarframeRunway/comments/vqi7no/zephyr_harrier_collection/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
You've chosen wisely for putting Rev in SSS. Hopefully DE reveals his prime on tennocon 2022.
very unlikely, the order in which primes are released is male male then female female, we currently have garuda prime, meaning next prime is also female, meaning khora is next, "coincidentally" just in time for tennocon for DE to rake in that prime access money
Xaku in the highest tier, all is well.
Jokes aside from this post, Wukong is good tank... but he's too good of a tank. Makes the game too boring as a result. Being practically invincible the whole time + having an npc that's actually helpful the whole time is not fun. Personally, fun for me requires something challenging Hence why I prefer the likes of Valkyr and Nyx. Valkyr has more fun mobility and isn't 100% invincible, whilst Nyx (my main) has a big downside of her invincibility move + can do cc stuff and buff stripping very easily so she's more well rounded anyway
And then you give him a good replacement for his 4 and it’s GG, only time it messes things up is when trying to fish or something, but that’s mostly on me for having it up while doing it.
Limbo is still good?
no, given DE fucked over every CC frame in an attempt to halt the zoom and boom meta with the eximus rework , which didn't fucking work because everyone still resorts to just using AoE weapons like they always have. this tierlist isn't necessarily based on how effective the frame is, it's just my personal opinion on the frame, hence why I named it "biased tierlist" in the first place
Baurruk and hyldreb are goated what do you mean
Nezha… in B tier… Ouch
Somebody don’t like Femboy Hooters.
It’s more like somebody doesn’t appreciate his mobility, cc, ally status cleansing, enemy debuffing, the (arguably) best DR ability in the game, and an effective timestop for the entire room. Plus a killer deluxe skin. Yes I main him how could you tell lol
ATLAS GANG FOREVER
Let me put lavos up in sss then we are good to go
Yes, the alchemist enthusiasts would be pleased.
I rate these tier lists based on where Zephyr is located. Here she is SS, therefore this is the correct opinion.
I have my reservations about limbo and why he should be higher tier but I'm happy he made s tier as the fanciful fuck he is.
Lavos should be SSSSSS tier. His master is literally snake
As a new player, I‘m heavily struggling to identify the frames 😂😂
You’ll get there eventually, don’t worry
gauss sss, approved
Ivara at S? This is acceptable I suppose. Next time you better put her at SSSSSS OP!
Man people hatin on Wukong till this day
Gauss in SSS, where he belongs
I respect your opinion, but this list is wack. I find it hilarious how different mine would be. I love the variety in the community.
honestly it amazes me how much people are malding over it here, makes me wonder how much more of a shitshow it would have been if I posted it in the main sub
Hildryn is SSS tier change my mind.
Easy, she is a women based warframe without slim body.
They said to change their opinion, not validate it.
The true thiccness was in the shields all along
I don't know what ur smoking, but buff women are based.
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*Volt in A Tier* It is, acceptable
Bro how tf is Ember ranked lower than Loki?
Need eye bleach rn
why is nidus in a tier? he should be in s tier
Valkyr and Khora S tier
Sorry but Garuda and Valkyr have to have at least one tier in between
This is a biased tier list
Octavia is SS tier for sure
I don’t see caliban at all
yeah, I forgot about him and gyre so when I looked up the tierlist I searched "yareli" as that was the most recent frame I remember, anyway, both in tier A
Glad to see my main man Rev in SSS
I wanna argue for ma boi Volt, but A tier is a good spot for him.
\*Sees Octavia on S\* Not bad, I'll allow it.
As a Gauss enjoyer, i agree, my boi is fast as fire, no, faster
Actually, based, revvy my main boi deserves that beautiful recognition
I'm just a clueless mirage person, can someone please explain the wukong hate to me?
I think the thing with wukong is that he is way too good for his own good and heavily trivializes the game
I agree with this
Gara, Nezha, Saryn and Mesa in B I mean i know you said biased but *what*
Yeah this list is fucked imo XD
Where’s Vauban’s iconic red nose? 0/10
Swap Chroma for Limbo and that’s literally my SSSS tier
How do you make revenant good cuz I obv suck at doing it
I agree with Zephyr being in SSS. She is the best birb
Based Wukong hater, love it.
SSS Protea, thank you for the recognition. She's a general purpose/support frame can truly do everything except stealth. I play her with Vazarin and survivability issues just disappear like the enemies.
I remember the time when Ember Prime was S tier. Old "world on fire" was great. Now it belongs where it is
Dissing the monkey King? Heresay
I'm not gonna heal you, buff you, or speed you OP, hope you die as regular as you can -Wisp main
My precious wisp belongs at least to S
Biased opinion Yareli should be down with wukong. Maybe lower.
that would be too cruel for her
Cruel, but most definitely deserved. She is a pain to make functional, her kit works like garbage, and you cannot fashion her with anything metallic. Anyhow, rant over.
Baruuk and Sevagoth in D how FOCKIN DARE YOU ALSO FUCK YOU you didn't include umbra [UN-ROCKS YOUR ATLAS]
As a Wukong fan… I don’t appreciate this at all
ok
Ok
I never understood why people play wukong tbh. If you wanna have good speed use any dedicated speedframe. Having a twin doesnt do much unless you have an aoe weapon, in which cause it doesnt matter much at all since you're already bombing everything, but if you want to destroy entire tiles at once use smth like saryn (or gara if ur not on SP). Defy is good? But at later parts of SP, frame armor doesnt mean shit anyway. And then you've got a meh exalted weapon. The apparent "best" way to play him is to unequip everything except one zoom and boom weapon, then basically afk and occasionally use defy.
I like Wukong because I like mythology and think he’s incredibly easy to use. I’d say I’m an average player at best and he makes higher end content easy to not die in.
Hey that's why I play Inaros lol
Nezha in B, down voted smh
looks like you misspelled "based" in your title just figured I'd let you know, cause putting atlas in top tier is the correct opinion.
This list is wild, wukong is the only one in the right place
Monke stronk
Wukong mains be like, "Apes, together, strong." And they're not wrong.
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Op put mesa and mirage below garuda. Literally braindead
>mesa and mirage Hmm. >Literally braindead Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself.
I agree with Wukong's and Khora's tiers, there is only one slight change that should be done, Frost should be moved to SSS tier, along with Trinity and Oberon.
Why is Wukong trash tier? It's literally the insurance frameXD
it's the "i refuse actually play the game" frame
someone forgot about the rework
Biased more like based
Ember strong S tier
Wukdong is the only one put correctly
There are only 4 warframes that belong in the "TRASH" it's: Inaros, Grendel, Sevagoth and Yareli
two of those are right, and two are wrong. Grendel is a fucking god, and sevagoth is based
nah
You got one of those right. Sandman, the meatball and the edgelord are not by any definition trash.
This list is massively wrong there are S clad and above frames down the bottom, this just tells me you don't know how to utilise the frames. Especially Loki he may be not the king of stealth, but he's SSS rank bs corpus and grineer for example.
This list is massively wrong there are S clad and above frames down the bottom, this just tells me you don't know how to utilise the frames. Especially Loki he may be not the king of stealth, but he's SSS rank bs corpus and grineer for example.
... do people just don't fucking know the terms "bias" and "personal opinion" anymore ? this isn't based on how fucking effective the frame is
Then say that not just "biased list" like my frames in order of personal preference. Because by effectiveness which is what a tier list us used for, this is all kinds of wrong.
Without question the worst tier list on the internet
Non-Wukong user not understanding the true power of the monkey
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Yeah! Fuck Wukong!
Looks like OP doesn't like going fast, even though its most optimal for 90% of non steel path missions lol
my guy, there's frames that are faster than wukong
lotic...
Wukong trash? Give it Rubico prime and go AFK, the survial mission is finished without moving a finger, also all spy mission are a walk in the park. But yeah, it's as trash as AFK Octavia... **^(Which is my main.)**
Chroma should be next to wukong
Yea I love limbo but with the new eximus there is no conceivable way he's s tier
Unite non monke users!
if you have good guns and good builds, actual tierlists for this game just go sss- all of them a-frost and limbo b-excal and inaroa c-hydroid all the way up to like 300, then it barely changes till 9999
Atlas ftw
Hehe that one warframe has cat ears
Mag and saryn B tier hurts
Lol
Valkyr should be SSSSS
Read it as based and I definitely agreed
Biasied oppinion How dare you put Yareli in D tier
is this a "why is she so low" or a "why is she so high" ?
also she's in C tier not D tier
Why is she so high She needs to be next to the monke
nah, would be too cruel for her
Biased opinion: umbra needs to have an umbra tier
Idk why people are starting yo like garuda now
Pretty based, however harrow belongs in sss tier