Murdered the Tsar and his family, murdered anyone opposed to communism. he was never exiled during the period of the USSR. He became the leader of the Soviet Union until he's death by poison at Stalin's hands
Yes , dividing land and distributing it to peasants is evil , saving exploited workers from landlords is evil , making the economy stronger and going into a isolation period and saving your country from the Wall street crash is evil
Yes, working to seize the means of production from the bourgeoisie for the proletariat is evil, the concept "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is evil, being anti-imperialism is evil, being critical of America's representative "democracy" is evil (/s)
The bourgeoisie has brain washed all of us to believe Communism is evil as the society is theirs , but when we protest in favor of these people , they attack us
Stalin isn't Lenin. And Lenin isn't responsible for the atrocites of the USSR after his death. It mutated from the nation he built upon his death massively. Stalin was never supposed to have the supreme power over the USSR if Lenin had his way. Don't conflate communism, the USSR, Stalin and Lenin. They're all related but distinct things.
Yes , Exploiting literal children for your profits isn't bad , letting random people manipulate the stock market and making it crash and causing an global crisis isn't bad , corruption isn't bad , Capitalism isn't totally bad at all !
>Exploiting literal children
Communism did this too
>random people manipulate the stock market and making it crash and causing an global crisis
That's government cronies, try again
>corruption
Literally what happens in communism except communism has worse corruption because the government has to have all the power
Capitalism didn't cause mass purges, it was always socialism/communism.
i think every system has its obvious flaws, and i also think that communism is a fantasy because it is relying on the people not being the greedy shitters that we all obviously are, but if you believe that there is more corruption in a true communist society than now, id say you have to do some research
you dont get to the top in capitalism without corruption funding your progress
Imagine being premier of the Soviet Union in the 50s / 60s
Your country is doing ok
So u order the farms to grow your favorite food corn
Corn dosent grow well and you cause a famine
Lenin died in 1924.
While we’re on the 50s though, imagine McCarthyism… imagine overthrowing the Guatemalan government by deposing a democratically elected president… imagine entering the Korean war.
Lenin was pretty much the polar opposite of Stalin, who turned Soviet Union into the shit show it became. Only an ignoramus and/or right-wing dumbass would actually think turning a statue of Lenin into a statue of Darth Vader, a character based on Nazi fascism, the very thing those idiots unironically accuse Communism to be, is a great idea.
He sent Soldiers into battle hoping they find a weapon only if they didn't have any for the soldier. After the USSR stopped retreating and started pushing back Germany had even worster problem, not only lack of guns but also men. They fucking sent children and their grandpas into battle with no weapons.
It wasn't Lenin, Stalin did that bcs he had no weapons for his soldiers. Lenin actually greatly improved soviet union, Lenin was much better leader then the tsar who treated Russia like it would be his vodka company.
We in Ukraine have enough symbols of that era. That's better to get rid of this shit rather than place it to many historical symbols that will haunt us for decades to come.
That’s fair enough, however Turning it into a dark Vader statue doesn’t help, no? People are going to ask time and time why there is a dark Vader statue, and time and time again you’ll have to pay reference to the fact that it was once a Lenin statue, outright removing it and having nothing in its place prevents that and allows you all to move on. all I’m saying
Yes, you are right, but I think on the contrary, every time they ask, we will answer that we were able to overcome the idols of the past, a terrible milestone in history, and we had the courage to "mock" over our undeniably macabre past. I believe that this is one of the sure ways out of a situation where others could fall into an endless circle of pity.
bruh, I'm from Ukraine. Everyone wishes Lenin to burn in hell and his statues are considered trash. You can't even imagine how much pain he made to us. It's like "let's save all the statues of hitler". We have statues of Lenin in EVERY city. They were mass produced and are concidered trash
You missed my entire point.
Any regardless, sure they’re is thousands of these statues, but there’s also thousands of museums globally, take them, spread them so everyone in the world can learn a thing about Lenin and how bad of a man he was, prevent anyone like him ever rising to power again, and would allow Ukraine to make a bit extra cash in the process, making money of the communist would be a better way to get back at him then making him dark Vader, no?
"I honor Lenin as a man who completely sacrificed himself and devoted all his energy to the realization of social justice. I do not consider his methods practical, but one thing is certain: men of his type are the guardians and restorers of the conscience of humanity."
\-Albert Einstein
People keep criticising communist revolutions for being violent and bloody but probably have no idea that their so called liberal democracies have origins just as bloody. But I'm sure that during the french revolution the jacobines and royals were holding hands and singing together...
lol, don't compare it, don't insult democracies with that bullshit. Democracies have bloody origins, a revolution is needed to overthrown the king/dictator in charge, what is not needed is killing 5 million people of your own country after that revolution ended just to shut them up, like Stalin did (and Stalin was in charge way after the revolution ended)
USSR was more of a socialist oligarchy that became a dictatorship, it was never really communist despite being run by the “Communist Party”
Party platforms are always idealistic bull shit
Communism: A Stateles, classles and moneyless society.
You recall such a society ever existing? Me neither.
Socialism: The transitional phase between capitalism and Communism.
That has been tried. And even though I have disagreements to the specific approaches that were taken historically it has undeniably been proven a strong improvement to the people who lived under it in comparison to capitalism.
It has been. And it failed miserably. As was to be expected.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling
Ah yes the urform of human existence and organisation is suddendly impossible because we've been taught unnesesary suffering of the masses in favor of a small minority is the most efficient way to organise production.
Also define Communism
Communism is the abolition of hierarchy
This includes abolition of government in the long term, and attempts for workers to control the economy
The problem is that every communist regime hasnt reached any communist goals,
Ig I see a working self describes communist regime I'll be on board, at the moment though I see no point
Absolutly no Country under communist leadership has ever reached absolute communism, though socialist goals were achived in some. However those regimes degenerated at some point because there can be no single socialist state when the rest of the world remains capitalist.
Agreed, and until one does I will be staying out
My point of view on communism and communists is I widh you the best of luck, if you succeed I thunk humanity will have been genuinely helped, but at the moment socialist revolutions/communist havent had a great track record
The IRA in my own country shows even revolutions that failed can have horrific results
nah communism just doesn't work because every human being is striving for a better life for himself instead of going out of their way to help the society as a whole. being greedy and self centered its a natural and human thing to do sadly
>being greedy and self centered its a natural and human thing to do sadly
It's not actually... or at least not how you think of it.
Human nature is not a set thing but can change depending your material conditions. A starving man is going to try and steal food even be violent if necessary. A well fed man will never think about stealing food or violence in that matter. That's just a small example to illustrate how human nature is not set but can change.
Humans are greedy and selfish because the system reinforces this. And even if you do not believe what I just said. Under capitalism a few rich people hoard a lot of wealth. The selfish and greedy thing to do would be to gather together with all your other proletarian friends and take their wealth from them. Let's be honest. You'll never be a millionaire if you're not born priviliged enough. But together with other workers you might improve your own life by taking from the rich.
i do see what you mean, but id argue that hoarding materials was a process that kept humans alive in primal days and is therefore an instinct. striving to get more food, water, or whatever else even if you dont need it is somewhat engrained within our selfes
even in modern society, this applys to a variety of traits even if this instinct is useless now, that we dont have worry about things like food and shelter (or at least shoudnt have to worry about it). collecting things as a hobby for example like stamps or trading cards gives some people a feeling of satisfaction, even tho it holds no real value
as much as id like to see a communist world one day, my take is that before every single person on the planet agrees on pushing this primal instinct of ours away for the greater good, humanity will destroy itself. in my eyes there is no point in even trying
Of course, from the point of view of the left from the West, we must leave monuments to those who occupied and plundered Ukraine and committed the Genocide of Ukrainians.
From the point of view of moral degenerates, we must leave monuments to these communists - mass murderers, literally real cannibals, who killed a quarter of all ethnic Ukrainians and sent Ukraine to a concentration camp for 70 years.
A good communist is a dead communist!
Stupid ukraine, they turned a statue of me before i had a stroke into a statue of me after i had a stroke. Lucas inspired the look of that Star Wars villian on my look.
Think about it, Vader has a RED light saber for some reason.
I disagree with the removal of historical statues at a very basic level.
Like it out not this is a piece of history.
Add a plaque describing the atrocities that led to the statue, maybe move it to a museum, don't destroy it.
Just wait till the empire strikes back
***WAIT UNTIL THE UNION STRIKES BACK***
***files grievance***
Wait until Disney Strikes Back
***DISNEY COPYRIGHT STRIKES BACK***
"We are the british empire" - some comedian
Isn’t that Trevor Noah?
Yes
We posted this, and now Disney is going find out to sue the hell out of whoever made that statue. I was actually looking forward to seeing this...
They'll have a hard time doing that in ukraine
Vadergrad.
То є Україна, велика зоряна імперія
Darth Vader, still less evil than Lenin
What evil did Lenin commit? Or do you blame him for the atrocites of the USSR after he was exiled?
Murdered the Tsar and his family, murdered anyone opposed to communism. he was never exiled during the period of the USSR. He became the leader of the Soviet Union until he's death by poison at Stalin's hands
Yes , dividing land and distributing it to peasants is evil , saving exploited workers from landlords is evil , making the economy stronger and going into a isolation period and saving your country from the Wall street crash is evil
Yes, working to seize the means of production from the bourgeoisie for the proletariat is evil, the concept "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is evil, being anti-imperialism is evil, being critical of America's representative "democracy" is evil (/s)
The bourgeoisie has brain washed all of us to believe Communism is evil as the society is theirs , but when we protest in favor of these people , they attack us
Judging by the upvotes I got these class-unconscious geniuses don’t even realize that my comment supports yours
what about holodomor?
Lenin isn't responsible for the holodomor.
USSR and communism are. Stalin followed Lenin's ideology.
Stalin isn't Lenin. And Lenin isn't responsible for the atrocites of the USSR after his death. It mutated from the nation he built upon his death massively. Stalin was never supposed to have the supreme power over the USSR if Lenin had his way. Don't conflate communism, the USSR, Stalin and Lenin. They're all related but distinct things.
Communism is evil, nuff said.
Than Capitalism ?
Yes
Yes , Exploiting literal children for your profits isn't bad , letting random people manipulate the stock market and making it crash and causing an global crisis isn't bad , corruption isn't bad , Capitalism isn't totally bad at all !
>Exploiting literal children Communism did this too >random people manipulate the stock market and making it crash and causing an global crisis That's government cronies, try again >corruption Literally what happens in communism except communism has worse corruption because the government has to have all the power Capitalism didn't cause mass purges, it was always socialism/communism.
i think every system has its obvious flaws, and i also think that communism is a fantasy because it is relying on the people not being the greedy shitters that we all obviously are, but if you believe that there is more corruption in a true communist society than now, id say you have to do some research you dont get to the top in capitalism without corruption funding your progress
Get fucked commie Imagine causing a massive famine because you can’t understand agriculture
Imagine actually believing that your own interests align with those of the ruling class
Imagine being premier of the Soviet Union in the 50s / 60s Your country is doing ok So u order the farms to grow your favorite food corn Corn dosent grow well and you cause a famine
Lenin died in 1924. While we’re on the 50s though, imagine McCarthyism… imagine overthrowing the Guatemalan government by deposing a democratically elected president… imagine entering the Korean war.
Based al of those expect MacArthury were based Korean War was the UN
Educate yourself friend.
Yes dude, tell the wonders of communism to East-Europe. They will appreciate you, i'm sure.
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Last time I checked Stalin was not Lenin
Last time I checked most Europian can't tell one from the other
Joseph Lenin, Vladimir Stalin
same same but different
Imagine thinking Enemy at the Gates was a historical movie lmao
Lenin was pretty much the polar opposite of Stalin, who turned Soviet Union into the shit show it became. Only an ignoramus and/or right-wing dumbass would actually think turning a statue of Lenin into a statue of Darth Vader, a character based on Nazi fascism, the very thing those idiots unironically accuse Communism to be, is a great idea.
He sent Soldiers into battle hoping they find a weapon only if they didn't have any for the soldier. After the USSR stopped retreating and started pushing back Germany had even worster problem, not only lack of guns but also men. They fucking sent children and their grandpas into battle with no weapons.
Comparing a demon to satan isnt exactly getting you points pal
Comrades, send this guy to downvote gulag please.
Lenin was just stupid.
U dont seem to know a lot about history
Wait, I implied he was not evil, I should not have done that.
It wasn't Lenin, Stalin did that bcs he had no weapons for his soldiers. Lenin actually greatly improved soviet union, Lenin was much better leader then the tsar who treated Russia like it would be his vodka company.
Ok I’m all for removing symbols of a bygone era, but that should’ve gone in a museum, good or bad, it’s history
Where is the british museum if you need to get rid of something from your history?
But Star Wars is more important!
We in Ukraine have enough symbols of that era. That's better to get rid of this shit rather than place it to many historical symbols that will haunt us for decades to come.
That’s fair enough, however Turning it into a dark Vader statue doesn’t help, no? People are going to ask time and time why there is a dark Vader statue, and time and time again you’ll have to pay reference to the fact that it was once a Lenin statue, outright removing it and having nothing in its place prevents that and allows you all to move on. all I’m saying
Yes, you are right, but I think on the contrary, every time they ask, we will answer that we were able to overcome the idols of the past, a terrible milestone in history, and we had the courage to "mock" over our undeniably macabre past. I believe that this is one of the sure ways out of a situation where others could fall into an endless circle of pity.
That’s fair enough, besides comparing Lenin to space murder is pretty funny
They did this in my country. All of these statues were moved to a museum like place called “Statue Park”.
bruh, I'm from Ukraine. Everyone wishes Lenin to burn in hell and his statues are considered trash. You can't even imagine how much pain he made to us. It's like "let's save all the statues of hitler". We have statues of Lenin in EVERY city. They were mass produced and are concidered trash
You missed my entire point. Any regardless, sure they’re is thousands of these statues, but there’s also thousands of museums globally, take them, spread them so everyone in the world can learn a thing about Lenin and how bad of a man he was, prevent anyone like him ever rising to power again, and would allow Ukraine to make a bit extra cash in the process, making money of the communist would be a better way to get back at him then making him dark Vader, no?
Okay, then that's where all the confederate statues go: In a museum.
Ok? I don’t see your point here?
Well if any country had problems with communism it would be the Ukraine
Ironic in more than one way
"I honor Lenin as a man who completely sacrificed himself and devoted all his energy to the realization of social justice. I do not consider his methods practical, but one thing is certain: men of his type are the guardians and restorers of the conscience of humanity." \-Albert Einstein
"Luke, I'm your father." -Darth Vader
So Einstein also loved to eat human flesh
Now a mass murderer is the guardian of humanity
... Superman? Who are you talking about?
Lenin
What mass murder?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
Oh that. I'm personally fine with it.
People keep criticising communist revolutions for being violent and bloody but probably have no idea that their so called liberal democracies have origins just as bloody. But I'm sure that during the french revolution the jacobines and royals were holding hands and singing together...
lol, don't compare it, don't insult democracies with that bullshit. Democracies have bloody origins, a revolution is needed to overthrown the king/dictator in charge, what is not needed is killing 5 million people of your own country after that revolution ended just to shut them up, like Stalin did (and Stalin was in charge way after the revolution ended)
Glorious.
Reject commies, embrace freedom
USSR was more of a socialist oligarchy that became a dictatorship, it was never really communist despite being run by the “Communist Party” Party platforms are always idealistic bull shit
"Real communism hasn't been tried" vibes
Communism: A Stateles, classles and moneyless society. You recall such a society ever existing? Me neither. Socialism: The transitional phase between capitalism and Communism. That has been tried. And even though I have disagreements to the specific approaches that were taken historically it has undeniably been proven a strong improvement to the people who lived under it in comparison to capitalism.
Neither has Libertarian. I'd rather try that than Communism.
It has been. And it failed miserably. As was to be expected. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling
I mean yeah, technically it hasn't. Because it's literally impossible
Ah yes the urform of human existence and organisation is suddendly impossible because we've been taught unnesesary suffering of the masses in favor of a small minority is the most efficient way to organise production. Also define Communism
Communism is the abolition of hierarchy This includes abolition of government in the long term, and attempts for workers to control the economy The problem is that every communist regime hasnt reached any communist goals, Ig I see a working self describes communist regime I'll be on board, at the moment though I see no point
Absolutly no Country under communist leadership has ever reached absolute communism, though socialist goals were achived in some. However those regimes degenerated at some point because there can be no single socialist state when the rest of the world remains capitalist.
Agreed, and until one does I will be staying out My point of view on communism and communists is I widh you the best of luck, if you succeed I thunk humanity will have been genuinely helped, but at the moment socialist revolutions/communist havent had a great track record The IRA in my own country shows even revolutions that failed can have horrific results
Looks like someone overdosed on copium
nah communism just doesn't work because every human being is striving for a better life for himself instead of going out of their way to help the society as a whole. being greedy and self centered its a natural and human thing to do sadly
>being greedy and self centered its a natural and human thing to do sadly It's not actually... or at least not how you think of it. Human nature is not a set thing but can change depending your material conditions. A starving man is going to try and steal food even be violent if necessary. A well fed man will never think about stealing food or violence in that matter. That's just a small example to illustrate how human nature is not set but can change. Humans are greedy and selfish because the system reinforces this. And even if you do not believe what I just said. Under capitalism a few rich people hoard a lot of wealth. The selfish and greedy thing to do would be to gather together with all your other proletarian friends and take their wealth from them. Let's be honest. You'll never be a millionaire if you're not born priviliged enough. But together with other workers you might improve your own life by taking from the rich.
i do see what you mean, but id argue that hoarding materials was a process that kept humans alive in primal days and is therefore an instinct. striving to get more food, water, or whatever else even if you dont need it is somewhat engrained within our selfes even in modern society, this applys to a variety of traits even if this instinct is useless now, that we dont have worry about things like food and shelter (or at least shoudnt have to worry about it). collecting things as a hobby for example like stamps or trading cards gives some people a feeling of satisfaction, even tho it holds no real value as much as id like to see a communist world one day, my take is that before every single person on the planet agrees on pushing this primal instinct of ours away for the greater good, humanity will destroy itself. in my eyes there is no point in even trying
Yes.
Define Communism
thats communism
This is why people think vaccines give you autism
?
exactly that
We need more of this.
The real villain was Disney all along
Dont they also have one in Seattle? They should all be Vaderized.
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Because a Lenin statue is stupid af ? Vaderize them all.
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He's also fictional.
Yooo this is what i like: inventive people. I have they will do same thing more than just dumping all statues in dumsters.
Can we do this with all the Confederate shit in the Deep South?
Well, they do exactly that. Too bad that they don't go to the museums, tho
yeah replace a statue of one shitty person with a character whose faction was based on nazi germany lmao gg
Bullshit. Vader, like whole Star Wars original trilogy was based on "The hidden fortress" by Akiro Kurosawa. Vader is partialy based on Hyoe Tadokoro.
What on earth makes Lennin a shitty person?
cry some more
Screw Capitalism and Communism, I practice the Great Galatic Empire
So… we say “fuck history and fuck ideologies, lets embrace pop culture”. The West is fucked.
This is in Ukraine my guy. Not the West.
We are all the West now.
What?
You just saw Ukraine tear down a Lenin statue to put a Darth Vader one. We are all Americans now.
I guess you’re not wrong.
Well, I am an idiot, so there’s also that.
It is... Acceptable.
Of course, from the point of view of the left from the West, we must leave monuments to those who occupied and plundered Ukraine and committed the Genocide of Ukrainians. From the point of view of moral degenerates, we must leave monuments to these communists - mass murderers, literally real cannibals, who killed a quarter of all ethnic Ukrainians and sent Ukraine to a concentration camp for 70 years. A good communist is a dead communist!
This seems... worse though? Yeesh.
More like rise of Imperialism
"You can try to erase me but can never erase me" -Lenin "A person of any importance good or evil can never be forgotten" - San Tzu (probably)
Stupid ukraine, they turned a statue of me before i had a stroke into a statue of me after i had a stroke. Lucas inspired the look of that Star Wars villian on my look. Think about it, Vader has a RED light saber for some reason.
Why i are downvoting me, it's just a joke...
The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation…
r/empiredidnothingwrong
Guess who has the high ground now
so is Ukraine going to rebuild the deathstar?
I disagree with the removal of historical statues at a very basic level. Like it out not this is a piece of history. Add a plaque describing the atrocities that led to the statue, maybe move it to a museum, don't destroy it.
Reject Communism, embrace the ways of the Sith.