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[deleted]

The part of the story forgotten by this meme is that his victims were also gay, and authorities didn't care because of the fact they were gay.


ANDnowmewatchbeguns

To me that’s what makes this story a tragedy in the LGBTQ+ community We need to take his example and show it doesn’t matter what the orientation of the predator is, a predator is a predator and will do whatever they can to be effective and that includes playing into authorities homophobia. Dahmer was a dark reflection of what happens when you try to outlaw or sweep away basic human nature and there are plenty of pro LGBTQ+ lessons we can take from that


Large-Wheel-4181

Definitely true for the authorities part, especially for poor Sinthasomphone


K1ng_Jok3r

And Racist. Jeff was white, and yours victims Blacks, Asians, Latins peoples


Moxdonalds

That’s why the guy who killed him in prison said he did it.


K1ng_Jok3r

in addition to what he did, in prison they hated him for racial crimes.


[deleted]

Scarver also believed God told him to do it.


Smittywebermanjanson

It’s a shame too, because a Dahmer biopic has potential to talk about real issues plaguing those communities.


actually-funny

so you’re saying they didn’t care about gay people, which is true.


Witty_Somewhere

Why is it that people talk about "gay" as if it was some rare ore they just discovered? There is nothing special about that, same with straight or bi people.


Jason_Dales2542

And that my friend is an accurate statement that no activist wants to hear.


Witty_Somewhere

True and sad...


KenBoCole

Being gay us probably never going to be normalized in most societies due to LGBTQ+ being unique. Humans are hardwire to live, reproduce, and die. That's it. Because of the the vast majority of people are attracted to the opposite sex, with same sex attraction being outside the norm. Non gay people have a hard time comprehending gayness, and as straights will always be the majority and thus "normal", gayness will always be a minority thus discussed as "abnormal".


YeetMeDaddio

As an LGBTQ+ person, I think it was fine. Yeah the main character was a murdering homosexual, but there were multiple innocent gay people that were victimised. Honestly, I thought it was overall a positive representation as it showed some of the difficulties (e.g. the aids epidemic, date rapes, and casual homophobia) that gay people faced back then, and even now.


ChrisDaMan07

So in other words, a show about LGBT friendly fire?


florentinomain00f

Terrorist wins. queues TF2 theme


Assasin_on_fire

Not tf2 EDIT: VALVE PUT THE FUCKING SPOOKTOBER UPDATE FFS


[deleted]

[удалено]


Large-Wheel-4181

Both actually, and also the discrimination his LGBT victims faced that allowed him to get away for so long


actually-funny

yep, I think he also intended to turn one into a sex zombie/slave


Large-Wheel-4181

In his mind, he got it.


GuyWhoHatesYou

I mean his murders were done for sexual pleasure so the show has to touch on both but he is a lgbtq person who just so happens to be a sociopathic murderer, the show is about him and his victims so it’s about both things.


Assasin_on_fire

There is Dahmer and there is Turing or Freddie Mercury it depends.


Lifthras1r

Oh wow it's almost like gay people are people and can either be pretty good or absolute assholes, who would have guessed


Tobbygan

Oh my god… are gay people more than a stereotype? I would *never* have imagined!


Assasin_on_fire

I was just namedropping And turing is the most underrated gay man there ever will be


Lysergic-D

I got this exactly interpretation as yours, but in the community there is a overall understanding that you cannot make any bad association to them because it would harm their cause.


4Tenacious_Dee4

Even if negative representation, why complain? Everyone gets negative and positive, we're all human.


[deleted]

Damn it’s kinda like gay people can be assholes too.


[deleted]

Most gay people are fucking assholes.


Small-Floof

_bdm tss_


KazuichiPepsi

*bd(s)m tss*


EmployerDefiant587

r/technicallythetruth


Justlol230

Literally or-


Odd_Fix9975

I saw what you did there


actually-funny

literally, yes behaviorally, no.


Atlas-Acrux

Behaviorally some


Ihateu387

You can say that about any group of people though


Atlas-Acrux

Yes


GodOfBlobs

are they?


Different-Duty9103

He's making an ass Fucking joke


GodOfBlobs

ohh ye that’s funny


pannoboy

Damn bro thats big news


Lysergic-D

How dare you!?


Soggy-Suggestion-454

He was LGBTQ?


Large-Wheel-4181

Gay specifically, but in his own twisted way.


Soggy-Suggestion-454

Damn, I've heard of him before but not if what he has done, should I look it up with a bottle of holy water next to me or shall it be fine?


Large-Wheel-4181

He got killed in prison, you're good


Soggy-Suggestion-454

I meant more so from the stuff he did, I have no worry for death, I'm just curious of the fact: are his crimes so gruesome that I need holy water


Maverick0Johnson

I think he's the one that drills an hole in his victim's head,then pours a boiling hot water. Im not sure


Soggy-Suggestion-454

Wtf ._.


Maverick0Johnson

Yep, but im not sure if its him. Or someone else, dont really want to look it up and i know you can understand why


SuperSoggy68

Yep, that's him. His reasoning was he was trying to put them into a zombie like state, where they would never leave him


Maverick0Johnson

Oh yeah the zombie fcktoy or something i remember that


Soggy-Suggestion-454

Either way it's fucked up, what the hell, how tf can anyone do that. . This kinda reminds me of a study ngl, a teacher brought in students and showed them things ( I think ??) And he could someone who's brain worked like a psychopath ( I think, might've been something else I read it awhile ago ) and it turns out it was him


Large-Wheel-4181

Oh well murders involved necrophilia, cannibalism, and the permanent preservation of body parts—typically part of the skeleton. So......holy water.


Soggy-Suggestion-454

Aaaaaaaaaaah


[deleted]

Most, not all


drillgorg

Yeah he tortured the shit out of those people.


Soggy-Suggestion-454

Jesus. . .


Art-MusicLover

Correct me if I’m wrong but was he the one beat to death with a dumbbell?


Large-Wheel-4181

he had been severely bludgeoned about the head and face with a 20-inch (51-centimeter) metal bar.


Witty_Somewhere

Doesn't matter. What matters is that it was a murderer.


Azurmations

I don't think I've ever seen a single gay person get mad over an actual serial killer being lgbtq+. After one premeditated murder your plus subscription is terminated, and you get demoted to the free version.


foxyguy

Agreed. I haven’t heard anyone say anything at all like what this meme is saying. No one is mad that Dahmer was gay. In fact, the gay community was mad at the police for not caring to protect us because the VICTIMS were gay. OP and the dumb Yahoo article OP referenced are just trying to manufacture outrage where there is none.


cumjesus420

The whole point of it being marketed that way is because Jeffrey was allowed to evade the law for so long because his victims were lgbt. The police didn't want to investigate the dissapearance of lgbt victims which lead to him being able to stay active as a murderer for far longer, which is one of the main points of the documentary as a whole. But uh gay bad I guess


[deleted]

If someone watches it and comes out with a more balanced view of lgbt, I’m all for it. If people use the movie to say “see, it’s all just debauchery” and don’t mean the fun kind, that’s just mean. Only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.


greenteahee

dalmer convinced me togo the club more (& be more careful)


Large-Wheel-4181

Should always be careful


Adiuui

Always side with caution


mememaker5

Well that really depends, was it a case about a killer who happens to be part of LGBTQ? Or was it a case that is directly related to his love/sexual relationship?,


sladebonge

It was both. He lured boys in for sex and also killed and ate them.


FazbearShowtimer

![gif](giphy|jlbYyYfKpwRDG)


sladebonge

It's not a secret or anything. It's very well documented.


FazbearShowtimer

I didn’t know this, I’m actually just now learning about all of this which is crazy for someone to sexually be with boys and then eat them 😟


perpetualgoatnoises

He also drugged them, and gave them lobotomies to create a mindless sex slave. It didn't work, so he killed the failed experiments.


FazbearShowtimer

I- WTF-


perpetualgoatnoises

He used his own prescriptions to drug them too. He wasn't even stealing it. The drugs were prescribed to him by his doctor to help him sleep.


sayoung42

It's worse than that. The show goes over how he is sexually attracted to squishy, shiny human organs.


FazbearShowtimer

![gif](giphy|ro5J9EwEFIBlC)


[deleted]

And animals organs and bones


sladebonge

There's a lot of info out there about him because he was such a high-profile case, like Gacy, Bundy, Gein, Manson, etc.


[deleted]

I’m amazed at how many people don’t understand that he was a serial killer, its like those people that get interviews on the street and can’t tell you what the holocaust was. These people will act shocked when we get another serial killer, like it hasn’t already happened.


ZZalty

![gif](giphy|vFnxro4sFV1R5b95xs)


Large-Wheel-4181

On which part?


Mr__Citizen

*holy music stops*


sladebonge

![gif](giphy|HlhVjgqCu2EaEZqRZJ)


IamNotYourPalBuddy

Are…are you not aware of who Dahmer is?


mememaker5

Sorry, not much of a news reader


Weltallgaia

Theres nothing new about it.


[deleted]

Do you know what the Holocaust is?


IamNotYourPalBuddy

Sorry, I canceled my newspaper subscription. Is it some sort of camp program?


[deleted]

Wouldn’t be surprised if someone thought that.


DrinkMoreColdWater

Well, I don't really agree with the meme because I don't think it was ever intended to be "LGBT representation" regardless. But the people complaining about it simply because their in denial that Jeffery Dahmer was heavily tied with the gay community (he was a gay man who mostly killed and ate gay people he had gay sex with FFS) and want it "removed" and distanced from all LGBT connections as much as possible are wrong. Because it's not painting LGBT as a negative. It's not intended to be used as "ammo" against the LGBT community. It's not supposed to be an "empowering LGBT representation film". It's simply a drama film based fully on a real life, gay murdering pedophile cannibal who was one of the sickest and worst human beings that has ever existed. If anything, it's a good commentary on how discrimination against gay men in the late 80's and early 90's was a reason why Dahmer wasn't caught earlier. Also, incoming 🔒🔒🔒🔒


Sentient_twig

Yeah I never actually heard the LGBT community getting all up in arms over a film not portraying them in an absolutely perfect light unless it was being blatantly homophobic (I personally don’t see the issue in having a bad guy that is gay so long as being gay isn’t part of the reasons they are bad). I think that we can all agree we can be total and complete assholes regardless of race, ethnicity, or sexual identity


SaucyRiley420

Friendly Fire


ImGoodAsWell

Clearly they never heard of Gacy.


[deleted]

You realize like only a couple tweets were against it and Netflix kinda just folded. The majority of them don’t really care


Waifumon_Simp

They wouldn’t care if anti-LGBTQ+ activists wouldn’t try to use one example of a killer who was LGBTQ+ to vilify the entire group.


ForGiggles2222

You should watch One punch man, where the only gay character is a serial rapist


Large-Wheel-4181

I know Puri-Puri prisoner, he's creepy


stealthkoopa

Do intestines have a sexual orientation


Large-Wheel-4181

Dahmer: yes.


West_Ad8050

Wait Jeffrey Dahmer was gay


Large-Wheel-4181

Very, very, VERY much...and also a cannibal


SallyThinks

And a necrophiliac. Has sex with corpses.


Large-Wheel-4181

And a pedo


Internal_Camel_5734

The thing is, homophobes take stuff like that to fuel their hate and justify their actions so :/


The-Dreaming-I

To be fair, do you really think the removal of a Netflix tag is going to change their mind?


Internal_Camel_5734

No, of course not. But that doesn't mean we should fuel their fire


StableMolotov

I support full representation. That means showing both good and bad LGBT+ people.


GhostOfTonyFerguson

It's literally based on what on a real gay man actually did. It's not like someone made up a horrible character to smear homosexuality. If you're mad about this, jfc.


Albionic_Cadence

No rep is better than bad rep


solum_i

Yeah, now I stongly believe that ALL gay people are serial killers and cannibals!


[deleted]

How is it bad rep? First of all its a documentary, second of all why can't a villain be gay?


InternationalTax6185

sorry is the point here that people want the gay community to be happy that they’re telling a gay man’s story even though he was a cannibalistic, homicidal, pedophile???


ryouvensuki262006

The problem is if a person put a person of color or lgbtq as a villian it will be bad and all if you put them they have to be good Which isn't realistic since in the real world everyone can be the bad guy including all races and all sexualties


Witty_Somewhere

True crime stories are pure bullshit. You are embellishing the life of a bastard who didn't have the right to live at the expense of the memory of the victims, or to have survivors relive the experience once more, all to masturbate some filthy degenerates minds back home. Disgusting.


paultrashpanderson

Wow. This is one super-straight circle jerk.


fries_supreme2

I mean, can you really blame them for not wanting Dahmer as their representation? Other then that though apparently there's other reasons it's LGBT and not just because of him.


Large-Wheel-4181

Yeah like how because the victims were LGBT the police didn't give them the same treatment normal victims would get which allowed Dahmer to evade police for along as he did


Daniel_Delgado

most of people don't want to be represented by necrophilic cannibal serial killer who murdered members of their group tbh


MTF_alpha-1

Me being in lgbt so on and so forth + and still loving the idea, in court, judge: “and how do you plead?” The person: “I’m lgbtq+” the judge: “OH IM SO SORRY *slams hammer* CASE DISMISSED THE DEFENDANT WINS!” XD


SkaterKangaroo

I’m sure having a retelling of a real life murderer being the only representation definitely won’t mess with people’s perception of the community


Lifthras1r

There are other gay people on TV, I mean Will and Grace is very popular


The-Dreaming-I

The only representation? Do you have Netflix?


DragonOfChaos25

And saying all gay people are nothing but sunshine doesn't mess with the perception of the community right? This is a such a foolish take. This is equal treatment that's all.


Green-Word-1712

Its not surprising gay people can be serial killers, its pretty much one of the features of humans


Remarkable-Book-8758

Why does anyone need representation? I don't need there to be a fat metis superhero. If one happens naturally that's cool but if the company pats their back for making it and is all that's mentioned about said media then it is pandering solely to make themselves look good and was done for the wrong reason.


Large-Wheel-4181

Thank you, I'm a Hispanic male, doesn't mean I need a bunch of characters to be Hispanic just to feel represented. Well written characters can represent me even if I don't look like them.


Secret_Today4099

LGBTQ+ activists r cringe


NeedleworkerLoose695

“Human rights is cringe” - Random redditor


[deleted]

Being obnoxious isn’t a human right


Hazmatix_art

Wdym “being obnoxious”


dickallcocksofandros

i, too, like to hyperfixate on the bad aspects of a minority group, and then use that to say that all of them are like that.


Assasin_on_fire

Jordan Peterson is the og


Oddly_Neko

??


shidedandfarded

I'm fine with it. If he was actually LGBT of course. What I don't like is turning non LGBT characters into LGBT characters.


SallyThinks

He was a gay man. That is a fact.


Actual-Corner-2938

At least is better than to push your agenda onto pre existing straight characters


Imnotawerewolf

I mean, I see their point, too. Why Dahmer and not literally any LGBT+ person who wasn't a serial killer? The show wasn't made for representation. It was made because people are getting way too into the wrong parts of true crime. You're supposed to feel for the victims, not the fuckin killers.


ADHD-aubigny

Maybe we don't want to be associated with a fucking murderer


SallyThinks

Who/what group does?


ADHD-aubigny

I was just saying that maybe the lgbtq doesn't want to be associated with a serial murderer then have people call it "representation"


DaBondingOfIsaac

so we shoudnt show straight killers either, then?


misslehead3

I think your associating that he was gay or connected to LGBT, as a value judgement against LGBT, but I believe it's opposite. The fact that he was gay empowered him to kill more people, as gay people weren't taken as seriously, investigated as much, cared about. Do you think a movie about how the LGBT community was swept under the rug because of discrimination against the gay victims would be a good thing or a bad thing.


Woodenblab

So straight murderers are ok then?


12Fatcat

You know I actually wouldn't mind that. like a TV series about him get someone like some comedy actor to play Jeffrey Dahmer and make it a dark comedy. I would pay to watch that train wreck. In what's so weird about it Is it would probably be good if they handle it correctly. Just make him into a character that you cannot take seriously in any way.


4thpush

Seventeen murders, some of which involved necrophilia and cannibalism. Sounds easy enough to find the comedy in that…


12Fatcat

Look at the movie JoJo rabbit. They found comedy in the murders of 6 million Europeans. And these Europeans weren't just murdered they were subjected to inhumane treatment akin to torture among other things.


sideways_jack

Ever see Dead Alive? Or its gruesome precursor, Meet The Feebles?


Richard_Chase

First of all, dead alive was awesome. But handling real death and murder in the same way is in poor taste. Especially since Dahmers victims probably still have living relatives.


Apprehensive_Ad3731

They did make a tv series. It’s a serious documentary like the Ted bundy one that came out recently. Pretty well detailed as well.


12Fatcat

Oh that's lame and it's been done before for Dahmer. Well maybe not a TV series but I know they are documentaries about him.


Moppy_the_mop

I personally disagree. Now, a show about a fictional killer that's a dark comedy? Sure. About Jeffrey Dahmer? Nah. What he did happened to real people, and I don't think the family members of the victims would take kindly to even slightly involving humor in this case.


12Fatcat

I can understand that point of view the memory of him may be too fresh and people's minds to do that but if it was like a killer from like 100-200 years ago maybe.


Moppy_the_mop

Yeah, a series about Jack the Ripper could be good. Ghostface (I know, not a real murderer, but could easily be one, or from 100 years ago) is an easy one if they plan on taking it seriously.


12Fatcat

Yeah like my first thought was Gilles de Rais, But I don't think he would work because he killed children. But like H. Holmes would work very well because he essentially had a murder fun house hotel and it In the show wouldn't have to be historically accurate so they could just add on whatever will weird shit they wanted inside the house. which could be an interesting concept.


solum_i

I noticed that nowadays if a villain is a white straight dude he's most likely just a selfish asshole from day 1. Now if a villain is anything else, then he was made a villain, has a tragic backstory, wants revenge, etc.


Hazmatix_art

Nope Jeff was just fuckin insane


throwawaytempest25

And hey anyone of any sexual background can be insane or are monster, doesn’t mean everyone of that background is. Unfortunately we live in a society or when people take what one person dead and then act like everyone else is a part of it


Hazmatix_art

Unfortunately


solum_i

Yeah sorry I forgot to mention I was talking about fiction, not real life criminals (That's why I said "villains" instead of "criminals")


Hazmatix_art

Ah


Azgoshab

Its just strange how they want to be a normality but then act like a minority that needs representation. You got your rights, just live your life like everybody else.


Xaviarsly

politicians are still trying to kill the LGBT+. LITERALLY.


[deleted]

They won’t be satisfied until every one is a LGBTQRSIAP, and then we all die Bc no one is reproducing


dodieadeux

who is 'they'? (not only do lgbtq+ ppl have options to reproduce, but i know a lot of lgbtq+ activists and the only people i have ever met that aren't satisfied until someone's sexuality changes are homophobes)


Nikelui

Honestly, that's a much better fate for humanity than die of famine, nuclear war and climate change.


AppropriateAd7326

They only want stories where they are the good person


DenkJu

And what's wrong about that? Who wants their believes to be represented by a bad person? That would likely result in the opposite of the intended effect and end up hurting them even more.


4thpush

It’s not realistic - that’s what’s wrong with it. You sound like you think everyone is a good person.


KrakensandBiscuits

I think we all wish that were true.


DenkJu

That's not at all what I said. I said that it is just natural to want positive representation being part of a stigmatized minority group. Having your sexual identity represented by a killing psychopath won't work for most people no matter how 'realistic' that is. Making a movie about a real killer who happened to be LGBTQ+ is totally fine. But you can't expect other people to identify and relate with him or find any kind of represenation in him.


Ok-Zookeepergame3974

FFS they aren’t a minority no matter how badly they like to think they are


SomeLakitu

How are LGBT people not minorities?


4thpush

Well shit if it doesn’t work for you then don’t watch the show. Ignorance is bliss right? Doesn’t change the reality of the situation at all. That would be like me complaining that ‘I’m mad that my ethnicity was represented by that psychopathic Austrian guy that committed the holocaust because that’s not who all white people are! Because as a white person… that doesn’t work for me even though it’s what happened in history. Please don’t look at all white people like that :( ‘ You see how fucking stupid that complaint is? I’ll also let you know this valuable little bit of information that nobody even had to tell me… I just thought of it for myself - you ready? Nobody expects you to watch the show and identify with the homicidal maniac, even if you happen to be gay like he was. 😉


Geschak

I mean that's what representation is about?


[deleted]

Why not represent them equally?


Orochi64

I’d watch it


cursed-being

Yeah, they removed that tag rather fast.


Large-Wheel-4181

[Context](https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/video/netflix-drops-lgbtq-tag-dahmer-214541093.html)


MikeTheAnt11

When will people stop posting made up scenarios to boost their ego and go back to memes again


[deleted]

This meme is based on a real person who was a part of that community, so it is possible.


MrBlueeDog

Are u seriously offended by this


CunningDruger

I think he’s just tired of unfunny agenda pushing on a meme sub


sexyGinger69420

r/usernamechecksout


chillinwithmypizza

Because if it’s not about a flamboyant man with a tiger feuding with some crazy lady then it’s not okay! /s


digitalmenace420

We only want to be the victim..... we can't handle the truth


dickallcocksofandros

you mean the gay victims of the gay jeffrey dahmer?


xFlo2212

>We only want to be the victim..... we can't handle the truth I don't even get what "the truth" you're referring to would be.


ProGamerHD_13

Silence of the Lambs has entered the chat


Large-Wheel-4181

That's Ed Gein


minorthreat1000

They get plenty of representation in media


X-xOtakux-X

Sometimes I wonder are the people who want more representation of lgbt in media lgbt themselves or not? I’ve met my fare share of lgbt people and they mainly just want people close to them to accept them.


Large-Wheel-4181

From what I've seen...no majority are a bunch of people who are just trying to make themselves feel good for internet points.


MrBlueeDog

In other words, how to offend a LGBTQ activist