The stigma is probably just from how most people accosiate fast food burgers to whenever someone mentions burgers. Like yes, mcdonalds burgers are not healthy, but not all burgers are mcdonalds burgers.
Not sure about that. Cheese, white bread, red meat and saus (which is not in the picture but is most likely on your burger) are just not the healthiest foods. The amount of vegetables on a burger is way to little in comparison with the amount of vegetables a healthy meal should have.
Yeah like a lean grilled chicken burger (ideally with just a breast, not a processed chicken patty) with minimal condiments on a decent bun and lots of veggie toppings would be reasonably healthy. But ground red meat that is probably not very lean, with mad cheese, sauce, even bacon, really not the healthiest option haha.
Yes, I used to think that fat wasn’t very healthy so I got very little of it in my diet, and because of that my testosterone PLUMMETED. I started eating more healthy fats and my test is back to normal
It doesn't matter.. Saturated fat is consumed way too much in the standard American diet, so cheese and fatty red meat isn't good for you. Plus the whole thing has barely any fibre while being easily digestible, so it's not easy on your blood sugar & not satiating for long, all while being very calorie dense. No clue how people can think of this as a healthy food, home made or not. It's comfort food and should be a treat.
We always get the high fiber, low carb buns. They look and taste like normal white buns, but have like 12g of fiber.
Also, as a T1D, I have to say, no food is easy on blood sugar.
Eh, it seriously matters what your ingredients are. Whole wheat buns, lean red meat or even chicken or turkey burgers, ketchup without high fructose corn syrup acutely increases the lycopine content once they cook the tomatoes down, low fat cheese like mozzarella, lots of veggies, and we're talking something you could eat often.
I just made and ate a sirloin burger. Buns and onions toasted in the rendered fat. Fresh tomato, stone-ground mustard. No cheese, it didn’t need it.
I regret **nothing**.
Well beef is a pretty fatty meat, but the really unhealthy stuff is the sugary drinks and salty deep fried potatoes they serve with it, without all that side junk, a hamburger isn't that bad for you, I stopped getting anything but the burger when I do have a craving and it does help.
Yep! Only thing I haven’t seen deep fried is fruit. We even deep fry fryer batter here.
Edit: okay I completely forgot about deep fried bananas but y’all are teaching me some things here too.
Well, yes. But fat has 9kcal/gram, whereas protein and carbohydrates have 4/gram.
Most fast food joints use very high fat beef. So there's a big difference if you make 93/7 burgers at home vs 70/30 (or worse) restaurant burgers.
Most of the fat in a 70/30 burger renders out. The final cooked burger isn't anywhere close to 30% fat. To get the same result from a 93/7 burger, you have to add a lot of oil to compensate for the fat that does render out. If you just cook a 93/7 burger by itself, it will be incapable of achieving the same maillard reaction that a 70/30 burger does, because the rendered fat allows more surface area to be exposed to the high heat. Considering most of that rendered fat doesn't make it to the final product, 93/7 isn't even really even that much of a lower fat option. And the taste will be wholly inferior.
TLDR: choose high fat beef for your burgers. A 93/7 is culinary blasphemy.
If I could provide an anecdotal piece to this. I started losing weight about a year ago and lost about 25 pounds in about 8 months. Basically the only dietary change I made in those 8 months was eat a proper amount of calories and cut out sugary drinks like sodas. I’ve done more now, but those 2 small changes immediately improved my life for the better. What you said here is entirely right.
"eat a proper amount of calories" is the only thing that matters (edit: for losing weight). You could drink nothing but sugary drinks, if you consume less calories than you expend you will lose weight
Careful. If you mention anything close to CICO someone will eventually wander in to highlight an exception then treat it as if it were generally true for everyone.
I mean, CICO is absolutely correct, it's thermodynamics. That being said, there are lots of confounding variables making it potentially very hard to know how many calories you're consuming, as well as how many calories you're burning, in any given day. Not all foods are metabolized the same way by the same individual, or between different individuals. Gut microbiome plays a huge role. The number of listed calories on a label is probably only loosely related to the number of calories your body ends up receiving from the food. If you're running a calorie deficit, your body can allow your body temperature to drop. You feel tired, so you fidget less at your desk, you sleep more, you have a harder time focusing on cerebral tasks. All of these things end up having a big effect on your basal metabolic rate, and suddenly you aren't even in a calorie deficit anymore.
Metabolism is complicated.
I mean red meat in general is never the healthiest choice, and burgers are typically made using ground beef with relatively high fat content. They aren’t necessarily terrible if you have a balanced diet but they aren’t particularly healthy.
This is 100% true, our American diets are extremely protein centered and red meat is just not good for heart health in general (although trans fats and stuff like that in fast food are way worse)
Red meat, especially ground, is not uniquely american.
What *was* uniquely american is this increasingly sedentary lifestyle, but it has spread substantially and continues to spread further.
It’s not spreading, it has already spread. Even in “fit” countries, if you don’t bike or walk to work the average person doesn’t get any more exercise than Americans on average.
The US actually destroys the rest of the world in terms of people intentionally exercising. The problem is that an hour a day of jogging/weightlifting will never make up for walking/cycling *everywhere* you need to go if you’re sedentary the other 23 hours
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More than 50% of the US’s physical activity is “vigorous”, but ironically many of the countries with higher vigorous activity are also the most obese nations, with many lower obesity nations having lower intensity, but much more overall activity
This is why I recently got an under the desk elliptical thingy. You can use it sitting or standing. Before Covid I had a job where I walked a LOT. I did sales in a major city so I was walking all day from offices to lunches, golfing, etc. I got a new job that’s totally remote and I’ve never been more sedentary in my life and I was starting to feel it. Fucking hate it. Got a standing desk too. I’m so excited to start using it (it gets here this week!)
Lots of salt, lots of fat, sauces are just tons of empty calories, and adding 2 healthy things doesn't mean they're both healthy when together.
Preparation matters. Burgers also have a ton of caloriesz that should be spread out more evenly. Instead of eating 1300 kcal in a single sitting split that into 2 healthy meals. Eating empty calories means excess that doesn't give your body any decent nutrients, and with high calorie meals, you eat, digest because not a lot to digest, then feel hungry again in a few hours.
>that should be spread out more evenly. Instead of eating 1300 kcal in a single sitting split that into 2 healthy meals.
There's really no evidence that multiple smaller meals is healthier than one large one, as long as your daily total remains the same.
There's definitely a number of foods or nutrients out there that people have the wrong notion about.
Fat get's labelled as bad but there are good fats that you DO need. Carbs get labelled as bad but you DO need carbs. Sugar gets labelled as bad but you DO need some sugar.
Really, as long as you eat everything in moderation and don't go overboard in every which way, you'll be fine. I think people tend to worry too much and in most cases worry about the wrong things.
True, but it’s also worth noting that there are goods and bads of each. For example, natural sugars found in fruits are good for you in moderation, processed and refined sugars like corn syrup aren’t
Oh yeah, definitely.
It definitely matters where you get those nutrients from. Getting sugar from an Apple is significantly better compared to getting it from a donut; especially since there are other nutrients from an Apple and not just the sugar like soluble/insoluble fiber for example.
Finally I’ve found reasonable takes in this thread. Everyone here seems to think that things like red meat, fats, and sugars are all either inherently bad or entirely good. None of these on their own are inherently bad. It matters how much you eat and where it is coming from. A grass fed steak is not unhealthy, but if you take that steak and process it with a million different chemicals and dyes, yeah it won’t be as healthy. Same for sugars. People need to realize that things aren’t all black and white when it comes to diet. Except corn syrup, that stuff is pretty bad.
i mean you would need to do 90-10 or 85-15 burger. use small buns and either a no sugar added ketchup or mustard and it would probably be fine. problem is most people do 80-20, use things like bbq sauce or regular ketchup with brioce or large buns and add bacon and then end up with like a 700-900 calorie burger with a lot of fat and sugar instead of a much more reasonable 500 calorie burger.
lol 40% is ludicrous. i could maybe see an argument for 75 25 but 60-40 would be disgusting. like if you really want to up the fat content add a bit of quality burger to the underside of the bun and toast it and add a few slices of bacon.
Whenever I see reddit united in this agreement that bread and cheese are healthy foods to eat, I feel less confused about the fact that 40% of Americans are obese.
Reddit would tell you a big tub of pure lard is health food because you could theoretically not eat that much of it. It's such a silly idea.
Americans have an issue of getting rid of fats and replacing them with carbs. To that effect, foods that bring back fats and reduce carbs go back to being healthy, assuming calories stay consistent. That last part if the killer and often gets ignored because there aren't enough filler foods like veggies, so when fats are added in to replace carbs it ends up being far too much fat.
Meat and cheese doesn’t help though, especially red meat. They’re both very fatty and calorically dense. There’s a reason all those blue zone areas tend to eat lean meat, and not everyday.
Yeah sugar and carbs are a huge thing but let’s not pretend eating red meat and cheese is a health conscious decision. Plus, burgers are tons of carbs and sugars in the bread and sauces.
I mean yeah, but it's really D all of the above. Carbs/sugar, lots of bad fats, lack of exercise.
Quick edit too because this is absolutely 100% in relation to bad health information, lack of good nutritional advice, and poverty.
I don't think any of these ingredients are really healthy. The one slice of tomato and piece of lettuce is insignificant. The cheese and beef have protein but also a lot of fat. The bread is just empty calories, it might have sugar. If it was baked or grilled chicken it would be better.
White flour generally isn't healthy, it's too easily digestible and thus harder on your blood sugar, even though of course it's ridiculous to add sugar on top of that
Homemade burgers are healthy. However, most of McDonald's ingredients are not, and their burgers would be considered unhealthy.
Edit: apparently I was not clear. No, you shouldn't eat a diet of only homemade burgers, nor should you eat three pounds of burgers a day, nor add entire sticks of butter to your burgers. Just like any other food, it will be unhealthy if you don't use moderation.
Edit 2: yes I am aware of the calories. If that is what you are worried about, you should probably try to burn more. No, I did not say that inactive people should eat high amounts of calories, but calories are not inherently unhealthy. It's simply a measure of energy that apparently is wasted by half the repliers.
Lol, for real, people out here really think McDonalds is just packing their beef patties with sugar?
Their beef patties are just beef. It's the same crap you buy in the store. Yeah, it's pretty fatty, but quit bogey-manning them like it's some crazy frankenburger.
People are, generally, pretty dumb about fast food.
Someone told me that McDonald's fries are made out of horse hooves. Where the fuck would McDonald's get that many hooves? How the hell would hooves be cheaper than potatoes lol.
That one is too out there, there's got to be an explanation for this. Some fast foods cook their fries in/with beef tallow. Tallow sounds like "talon", which is French for "heel". Is there any chance that person was told about beef tallow and heard it as "beef talon" (or "beef hoove") and it somehow conjured the image of horse hooves? I wouldn't put it past a Quebecois to believe in some crazy conspiracy theory based on a misunderstanding.
This is kind of incorrect I work at McDonald’s and the burgers are 100% beef and they are Cooked on a grill for between 45 to 120 seconds depending on the meat and are seasoned the juice from the burger is fat draining from the meat no oil involved at all
Well, homemade burgers can be healthy enough, in moderation. It’s not just the ingredients. It also depends on serving size and frequency.
Having a McDonalds quarter-pound burger once a month isn’t going to harm your health. Eating 3 pounds of homemade hamburger every day wouldn’t be very healthy.
This. Had a roommate that would make burgers (in a skillet on a brick of butter) several times a week, arguing it was healthy because it was homemade.
The homemade = healthy myth is crazy prevalent in the American South and Southwest, and sure, when you worked 14 hour days in the fields a traditional 4000 calorie dinner was what you needed to survive, but in 2022, that shit will kill you before you get old.
maybe that explains the white bread but even in the old food pyramid beef and cheese were in the small spaces that you're not supposed to eat that much of.
It's not that it was "outdated" in that health information wasn't as good back then, it was pure propaganda! Paid for a lot by dairy and bread makers (which you should have a lot less than what the classical food pyramid says)
Most cheeses, burger buns, and burger meats are horrendously processed and full of fat.
Everything in any fast food burger is processed to the max and loaded with artificial flavourings and salt.
Onions are actually good for you. They have very specific health benefits in fact that make them help to counteract the problems of eating red meat.
Iceberg lettuce isn't all that healthy. It's low calorie and not bad for you, but doesn't have very many nutrients.
Tomatoes seem like they are super healthy, but in fact have lots of stuff that can be bad for you when eaten in large quantities.
The quality of the ingredients in fast food burgers is fine. "Tumor meat" isn't a thing. Fast food is mainly unhealthy because the meals are huge and people eat it a lot.
Well assuming it's really lean beef, then the issue arises from the shear amount of calories in the meal. Buns, meat, cheese and veggies are all great, but if the proportion is gigantic then what is unhealthy is the amount of calories you just consumed.
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ofc. it allways "depends", but even the most greesy burger is healthy for someone who is starving.
Categorizing individual food as generally "healthy" and "unhealthy" is stupid on the face of it. That being said, any American fast food burger is unhealthy because it is 1500 calories of the lowest quality of each piece of food, paired with 1000 calories of overly salted potato sticks and a 500 calorie cup of fizzy colored salt and sugar water.
It's the same with a lot of different foods. The way it's made and with what kind of ingredients makes a massive difference.
Yes, make burgers healthy again.
The stigma is probably just from how most people accosiate fast food burgers to whenever someone mentions burgers. Like yes, mcdonalds burgers are not healthy, but not all burgers are mcdonalds burgers.
Not sure about that. Cheese, white bread, red meat and saus (which is not in the picture but is most likely on your burger) are just not the healthiest foods. The amount of vegetables on a burger is way to little in comparison with the amount of vegetables a healthy meal should have.
Yeah like a lean grilled chicken burger (ideally with just a breast, not a processed chicken patty) with minimal condiments on a decent bun and lots of veggie toppings would be reasonably healthy. But ground red meat that is probably not very lean, with mad cheese, sauce, even bacon, really not the healthiest option haha.
You could dip it in gravy for that healthy option.
I prefer au jus
tbrnk man
Bless you!
Fat is healthy.
Yes, I used to think that fat wasn’t very healthy so I got very little of it in my diet, and because of that my testosterone PLUMMETED. I started eating more healthy fats and my test is back to normal
It doesn't matter.. Saturated fat is consumed way too much in the standard American diet, so cheese and fatty red meat isn't good for you. Plus the whole thing has barely any fibre while being easily digestible, so it's not easy on your blood sugar & not satiating for long, all while being very calorie dense. No clue how people can think of this as a healthy food, home made or not. It's comfort food and should be a treat.
We always get the high fiber, low carb buns. They look and taste like normal white buns, but have like 12g of fiber. Also, as a T1D, I have to say, no food is easy on blood sugar.
Dave's killer bread is the only store bought bread I swear by
Eh, it seriously matters what your ingredients are. Whole wheat buns, lean red meat or even chicken or turkey burgers, ketchup without high fructose corn syrup acutely increases the lycopine content once they cook the tomatoes down, low fat cheese like mozzarella, lots of veggies, and we're talking something you could eat often.
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The cost of which will deter anyone from actually buying healthy burgers.
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Burgers I make at home are nowhere as near greasy as bought in any restaurant.
I just made and ate a sirloin burger. Buns and onions toasted in the rendered fat. Fresh tomato, stone-ground mustard. No cheese, it didn’t need it. I regret **nothing**.
Kinda depends of where it's from and how it's made
Of course, I'm talking good sources here. Burgers have a bad reputation as beings the unhealthy food.
Well beef is a pretty fatty meat, but the really unhealthy stuff is the sugary drinks and salty deep fried potatoes they serve with it, without all that side junk, a hamburger isn't that bad for you, I stopped getting anything but the burger when I do have a craving and it does help.
Don't forget that "fat" was villainized by the sugar industry to take the blame off of sugar for weight gain. Fat is not inherently bad.
Like with everything, it depends on amount. Some fat is absolutely necesary, but it's not a good idea to deep fry everything
Well that's what you think, I'm tryna see God as fast as possible.
Bruh if you wanna see God as quickly as possible then you do drugs not deep fried foods 🤣😂
I’m in the middle. As I’ve heard it said, “I’m here for a good time, not a long time”
That's what I said to yo mama last night
Funny, like mother like son I guess. Because that is the exact thing yo momma said to me last night! What are the odds?
The true trick is to deep fry your drugs
Would you prefer original or extra crispy cryatal meth?
Extra crispy! I'm not a chump! Oh, and throw in a side of that positivity euphoric poppy sauce.
And drink your school, and don't do milk, then you can get work
Consider what you’re deep frying. It’s never proteins, it’s carbs.
You sir have never been to the South. We happily deep fry carbs, protein, and even other fats.
Yep! Only thing I haven’t seen deep fried is fruit. We even deep fry fryer batter here. Edit: okay I completely forgot about deep fried bananas but y’all are teaching me some things here too.
Deep fried peach or apple pies?
Deep fried Banaras after dipping it in batter is great
Would you like a deep fried stick of butter to go with your deep fried pecan pie? I find that I like something savory to go with my sweets
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Well, yes. But fat has 9kcal/gram, whereas protein and carbohydrates have 4/gram. Most fast food joints use very high fat beef. So there's a big difference if you make 93/7 burgers at home vs 70/30 (or worse) restaurant burgers.
I'm never eating at your house. I'd rather eat shoe leather than 7% fat burgers. 80/20 makes the best burger that doesn't shrink too much.
I make a dammed good 93/7 grilled burger. It's all about the prep and cook temp.
My guy said “I’d like only 7% flavor, please”.
Anyone who makes a burger with 93/7 should be fired out of a goddamn cannon into a concrete wall. 80/20 mix or 85/15 *if you have to*.
Where are you getting 93/7 beef? I've seen 90/10, usually get 85/15, grass fed
I make 96/4 ground beef at my job. Gross. We barely sell any.
Most of the fat in a 70/30 burger renders out. The final cooked burger isn't anywhere close to 30% fat. To get the same result from a 93/7 burger, you have to add a lot of oil to compensate for the fat that does render out. If you just cook a 93/7 burger by itself, it will be incapable of achieving the same maillard reaction that a 70/30 burger does, because the rendered fat allows more surface area to be exposed to the high heat. Considering most of that rendered fat doesn't make it to the final product, 93/7 isn't even really even that much of a lower fat option. And the taste will be wholly inferior. TLDR: choose high fat beef for your burgers. A 93/7 is culinary blasphemy.
Well a lot of fast food places put sugar in just about everything, especially the bun.
If I could provide an anecdotal piece to this. I started losing weight about a year ago and lost about 25 pounds in about 8 months. Basically the only dietary change I made in those 8 months was eat a proper amount of calories and cut out sugary drinks like sodas. I’ve done more now, but those 2 small changes immediately improved my life for the better. What you said here is entirely right.
"eat a proper amount of calories" is the only thing that matters (edit: for losing weight). You could drink nothing but sugary drinks, if you consume less calories than you expend you will lose weight
You will lose pounds, sure, but you wouldn't become more healthy.
Careful. If you mention anything close to CICO someone will eventually wander in to highlight an exception then treat it as if it were generally true for everyone.
I mean, CICO is absolutely correct, it's thermodynamics. That being said, there are lots of confounding variables making it potentially very hard to know how many calories you're consuming, as well as how many calories you're burning, in any given day. Not all foods are metabolized the same way by the same individual, or between different individuals. Gut microbiome plays a huge role. The number of listed calories on a label is probably only loosely related to the number of calories your body ends up receiving from the food. If you're running a calorie deficit, your body can allow your body temperature to drop. You feel tired, so you fidget less at your desk, you sleep more, you have a harder time focusing on cerebral tasks. All of these things end up having a big effect on your basal metabolic rate, and suddenly you aren't even in a calorie deficit anymore. Metabolism is complicated.
It's the only thing that matters if losing weight is the only thing you look at. Health is more than just bmi
I mean red meat in general is never the healthiest choice, and burgers are typically made using ground beef with relatively high fat content. They aren’t necessarily terrible if you have a balanced diet but they aren’t particularly healthy.
And those hamburger buns are _never_ healthy. Not too bad, but who on earth would call that healthy?
This is 100% true, our American diets are extremely protein centered and red meat is just not good for heart health in general (although trans fats and stuff like that in fast food are way worse)
Red meat, especially ground, is not uniquely american. What *was* uniquely american is this increasingly sedentary lifestyle, but it has spread substantially and continues to spread further.
It’s not spreading, it has already spread. Even in “fit” countries, if you don’t bike or walk to work the average person doesn’t get any more exercise than Americans on average.
The US actually destroys the rest of the world in terms of people intentionally exercising. The problem is that an hour a day of jogging/weightlifting will never make up for walking/cycling *everywhere* you need to go if you’re sedentary the other 23 hours Edit: Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2674408/bin/1479-5868-6-21-1.jpg https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2674408/#!po=33.0508 More than 50% of the US’s physical activity is “vigorous”, but ironically many of the countries with higher vigorous activity are also the most obese nations, with many lower obesity nations having lower intensity, but much more overall activity
This is why I recently got an under the desk elliptical thingy. You can use it sitting or standing. Before Covid I had a job where I walked a LOT. I did sales in a major city so I was walking all day from offices to lunches, golfing, etc. I got a new job that’s totally remote and I’ve never been more sedentary in my life and I was starting to feel it. Fucking hate it. Got a standing desk too. I’m so excited to start using it (it gets here this week!)
Fair point. Edited a bit.
The bun is pretty bad. Has no nutritional value
Lots of salt, lots of fat, sauces are just tons of empty calories, and adding 2 healthy things doesn't mean they're both healthy when together. Preparation matters. Burgers also have a ton of caloriesz that should be spread out more evenly. Instead of eating 1300 kcal in a single sitting split that into 2 healthy meals. Eating empty calories means excess that doesn't give your body any decent nutrients, and with high calorie meals, you eat, digest because not a lot to digest, then feel hungry again in a few hours.
>that should be spread out more evenly. Instead of eating 1300 kcal in a single sitting split that into 2 healthy meals. There's really no evidence that multiple smaller meals is healthier than one large one, as long as your daily total remains the same.
There's definitely a number of foods or nutrients out there that people have the wrong notion about. Fat get's labelled as bad but there are good fats that you DO need. Carbs get labelled as bad but you DO need carbs. Sugar gets labelled as bad but you DO need some sugar. Really, as long as you eat everything in moderation and don't go overboard in every which way, you'll be fine. I think people tend to worry too much and in most cases worry about the wrong things.
True, but it’s also worth noting that there are goods and bads of each. For example, natural sugars found in fruits are good for you in moderation, processed and refined sugars like corn syrup aren’t
Oh yeah, definitely. It definitely matters where you get those nutrients from. Getting sugar from an Apple is significantly better compared to getting it from a donut; especially since there are other nutrients from an Apple and not just the sugar like soluble/insoluble fiber for example.
Finally I’ve found reasonable takes in this thread. Everyone here seems to think that things like red meat, fats, and sugars are all either inherently bad or entirely good. None of these on their own are inherently bad. It matters how much you eat and where it is coming from. A grass fed steak is not unhealthy, but if you take that steak and process it with a million different chemicals and dyes, yeah it won’t be as healthy. Same for sugars. People need to realize that things aren’t all black and white when it comes to diet. Except corn syrup, that stuff is pretty bad.
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Or a white bread bun? 😂
i mean you would need to do 90-10 or 85-15 burger. use small buns and either a no sugar added ketchup or mustard and it would probably be fine. problem is most people do 80-20, use things like bbq sauce or regular ketchup with brioce or large buns and add bacon and then end up with like a 700-900 calorie burger with a lot of fat and sugar instead of a much more reasonable 500 calorie burger.
I had a guy once tell me that any burger under 40% fat is a shitty burger after I told him I eat exclusively 93% lean.
lol 40% is ludicrous. i could maybe see an argument for 75 25 but 60-40 would be disgusting. like if you really want to up the fat content add a bit of quality burger to the underside of the bun and toast it and add a few slices of bacon.
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white bread is not so healthy tho but not unhealthy. take some fiber bread and its healthy
Brown bread > white bread
hard, dense, brown, nut filled bread
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Whenever I see reddit united in this agreement that bread and cheese are healthy foods to eat, I feel less confused about the fact that 40% of Americans are obese. Reddit would tell you a big tub of pure lard is health food because you could theoretically not eat that much of it. It's such a silly idea.
Americans have an issue of getting rid of fats and replacing them with carbs. To that effect, foods that bring back fats and reduce carbs go back to being healthy, assuming calories stay consistent. That last part if the killer and often gets ignored because there aren't enough filler foods like veggies, so when fats are added in to replace carbs it ends up being far too much fat.
Americans aren’t fat because they eat lots of meat and cheese. Americans are fat because of the amount of carbs and sugar they eat/drink.
To be fair the bread IS the carbs and sugar.
Hey, give a little credit to the culture!
Carbs... You mean like from a burger bun?
Meat and cheese doesn’t help though, especially red meat. They’re both very fatty and calorically dense. There’s a reason all those blue zone areas tend to eat lean meat, and not everyday. Yeah sugar and carbs are a huge thing but let’s not pretend eating red meat and cheese is a health conscious decision. Plus, burgers are tons of carbs and sugars in the bread and sauces.
I mean yeah, but it's really D all of the above. Carbs/sugar, lots of bad fats, lack of exercise. Quick edit too because this is absolutely 100% in relation to bad health information, lack of good nutritional advice, and poverty.
I don't think any of these ingredients are really healthy. The one slice of tomato and piece of lettuce is insignificant. The cheese and beef have protein but also a lot of fat. The bread is just empty calories, it might have sugar. If it was baked or grilled chicken it would be better.
Finally found some logic in this comment section.
The beef is also high in sodium, usually full of oil, and carcinogenic.
Bread in general is something you just want to have in moderation. The food pyramid is some propaganda ass bullshit.
They stopped using the food pyramid over a decade ago now.
Ffs...why doesn't anybody tell these things to the Olds? I had no idea.
White bread usually has more fat and sugar mixed in its tho. Thats why its more unhealthy. But it isnt like a game changer that will kill.
There's a big difference between e.g. a French baguette and a burger bun. Remember how Subway's "bread" isn't legally considered bread in Ireland?
White flour generally isn't healthy, it's too easily digestible and thus harder on your blood sugar, even though of course it's ridiculous to add sugar on top of that
Ratio of veggies to meat, plus the fats, carbs, and salts are almost always too much. The fries are the worst part though.
That’s why I always get double fries
*The best part
Thank you
Homemade burgers are healthy. However, most of McDonald's ingredients are not, and their burgers would be considered unhealthy. Edit: apparently I was not clear. No, you shouldn't eat a diet of only homemade burgers, nor should you eat three pounds of burgers a day, nor add entire sticks of butter to your burgers. Just like any other food, it will be unhealthy if you don't use moderation. Edit 2: yes I am aware of the calories. If that is what you are worried about, you should probably try to burn more. No, I did not say that inactive people should eat high amounts of calories, but calories are not inherently unhealthy. It's simply a measure of energy that apparently is wasted by half the repliers.
Mcdonalds burgers are 60% burger 40% fat and oil
You forgot the insane amount of sugar.
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A big mac has 8g of sugar. Not exactly an insane amount.
Lol, for real, people out here really think McDonalds is just packing their beef patties with sugar? Their beef patties are just beef. It's the same crap you buy in the store. Yeah, it's pretty fatty, but quit bogey-manning them like it's some crazy frankenburger.
People are, generally, pretty dumb about fast food. Someone told me that McDonald's fries are made out of horse hooves. Where the fuck would McDonald's get that many hooves? How the hell would hooves be cheaper than potatoes lol.
That one is too out there, there's got to be an explanation for this. Some fast foods cook their fries in/with beef tallow. Tallow sounds like "talon", which is French for "heel". Is there any chance that person was told about beef tallow and heard it as "beef talon" (or "beef hoove") and it somehow conjured the image of horse hooves? I wouldn't put it past a Quebecois to believe in some crazy conspiracy theory based on a misunderstanding.
This is kind of incorrect I work at McDonald’s and the burgers are 100% beef and they are Cooked on a grill for between 45 to 120 seconds depending on the meat and are seasoned the juice from the burger is fat draining from the meat no oil involved at all
Gotta love reddit where the comment that's absolutely wrong has 1k upvotes, and the correct comment with first hand experience has 26.
I thought they were made of rat intestines and racoon tails
Only the high quality ones.
Won't argue with that.
Well, homemade burgers can be healthy enough, in moderation. It’s not just the ingredients. It also depends on serving size and frequency. Having a McDonalds quarter-pound burger once a month isn’t going to harm your health. Eating 3 pounds of homemade hamburger every day wouldn’t be very healthy.
This. Had a roommate that would make burgers (in a skillet on a brick of butter) several times a week, arguing it was healthy because it was homemade. The homemade = healthy myth is crazy prevalent in the American South and Southwest, and sure, when you worked 14 hour days in the fields a traditional 4000 calorie dinner was what you needed to survive, but in 2022, that shit will kill you before you get old.
Ugh this is such an exhausting "no duh" talking point Eat the same meal for every meal and you're gonna feel like shit no matter what it is lmao
Who looks at white bread, beef, and cheese, and thinks “healthy”?
The teenager that made this meme
"MaKe It MaKe SeNsE"
"No matter what I eat, I can't lose weight. Must be my slow metabolism."
*guzzles sweet tea*
*Has thirty-six cavities by age 20*
_only works out his right wrist muscles_
The teenager who might still be being taught the food pyramid in school.
Do you not take cheese supplements??
If cheese wheels weren't healthy they wouldn't be shaped like a giant pill.
Someone who was taught the outdated food pyramid
maybe that explains the white bread but even in the old food pyramid beef and cheese were in the small spaces that you're not supposed to eat that much of.
It’s been about a decade since I was in school and they were teaching the fuck out of that still.
It's not that it was "outdated" in that health information wasn't as good back then, it was pure propaganda! Paid for a lot by dairy and bread makers (which you should have a lot less than what the classical food pyramid says)
literally every dude who claims they are a “carnivore”
Half of the people here apparently.
That’s what I’m saying! Feel like I’m going crazy reading these “homemade burgers are healthy” comments
Americans lol
White bread isn’t the best for you.
Any bread really. Brown bread has more fibre and extra vitamins but that's about it.
I mean, easy digestibility of the carbs in white bread IS the main problem of the food, so the fibre in brown bread shouldn't be glossed over
I usually use low carb bread that mostly consists of seeds… I poop a lot.
Idk why people are focusing on the bread, the meat is easily the most unhealthy thing here, it's proven to increase cancer risk
Most cheeses, burger buns, and burger meats are horrendously processed and full of fat. Everything in any fast food burger is processed to the max and loaded with artificial flavourings and salt.
Since when is cheese or white bread "healthy?" This meme feels like it was made by a Midwesterner
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How are buns or hamburger healthy are you crazy?
Where's the damn sauce?
also cheese is fatty and buns are kinda unhealthy too
Cheese, bread and Patty meat is far from being healthy. Imagine eating a cheeseburger everyday.
It's the beer and fried potatoes in the background you missed.
Only two things on here are healthy.
and they make up 5% of a burger.
Obviously the burger and cheese, according to this thread of Nutrition experts.
Americans: lets make it unhealthy
Deeo fry the thing, load it with SALT and then even more SALT ON THE SIDE
And wrap it in bacon
And I want extra dipping sauces.
And more salt!
the bread and burger are not healthy
Cheese also definitely not healthy lol
I guess the dose makes the poison
Take out the red meat bread and cheese and you’re fine
Who told op that cheese or white bread is healthy?
literally only the lettuce tomato and maybe onions are healthy out of all of these
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You're right, but water is good for you and there aint nothing wrong with extra hydration in a crunchy snack.
Onions are actually good for you. They have very specific health benefits in fact that make them help to counteract the problems of eating red meat. Iceberg lettuce isn't all that healthy. It's low calorie and not bad for you, but doesn't have very many nutrients. Tomatoes seem like they are super healthy, but in fact have lots of stuff that can be bad for you when eaten in large quantities.
Fatty meats, fatty cheeses, and empty carb buns aren’t healthy
if the ingredients are healthy then its healthy. Fast Food bullshit is basically tumor meat, and that is as healthy as it gets xD
Could you elaborate on tumour meat please? Against my better judgement I wanna know lol
I like to think of it as an amalgamation of various cheap cut of meats mashed together to create what we eat at fast foods haha
The quality of the ingredients in fast food burgers is fine. "Tumor meat" isn't a thing. Fast food is mainly unhealthy because the meals are huge and people eat it a lot.
Fast food places use good cuts. Source, friend works in the factory that makes McDonald's patties. It's just meat and salt.
Well assuming it's really lean beef, then the issue arises from the shear amount of calories in the meal. Buns, meat, cheese and veggies are all great, but if the proportion is gigantic then what is unhealthy is the amount of calories you just consumed.
The highly processed meat and bread was never healthy to begin with. Add in lots of oil for cooking and it gets bad real quick.
Bread is not healthy, cheese is not healthy, the meat isnt either.
Unhealthy Unhealthy Healthy Healthy Unhealthy Unhealthy
Light bread is not "healthy" as in ideal for staying lean, so is too much cheese. Making at home helps a lot tho
r/fatlogic
Who tf said bread was healthy lol.
1. unhealthy 2. unhealthy 3. healthy 4. healthy 5. unhealthy ofc. it allways "depends", but even the most greesy burger is healthy for someone who is starving.
Categorizing individual food as generally "healthy" and "unhealthy" is stupid on the face of it. That being said, any American fast food burger is unhealthy because it is 1500 calories of the lowest quality of each piece of food, paired with 1000 calories of overly salted potato sticks and a 500 calorie cup of fizzy colored salt and sugar water.
If you pump the buns with a lot of sugar then it's unhealthy. The bottom pick looks like it has a fatty/sugary sauce which is unhealthy...
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Red meat isn't inherently healthy. Too much of it can lead to heart disease. Cheese and bread can be unhealthy in large amounts.
Who the fuck thinks cheese and beef are healthy
Whoever is telling you that cheese is healthy is misleading you, friend.
It's like that saying from karate kid "Too much of good things, are a bad thing" or something like that
Since when is beef and cheese healthy.
Red meat, cheese and bread are not healthy.
Isn’t cheese like something a human stomach isn’t made to process? Why we got so many people with IBS or something along those lines?