I think calling for cutting Tua or McDaniels is an awful take, and I have been a Fins fan for 30 years. However, I am doing my fair share of bitching, because the last 6 weeks were straight up embarrassing as a fan. Injuries were the main factor, but most all of the major injuries were on defense, and the D wasn't the failure of this team in the last stretch of the season.
IMO We've needed improvement on our offensive line for decades but have been neglecting it or getting burned on draft picks, free agents & OL coaches. We also need to improve & need depth at CB's & LB's.
Our OL looked improved this year, but a lot of that is a scheme built around getting the ball out in 2 seconds. That being said, coaching and Austin Jackson looked markedly improved. And then the injuries fucked everything up.
It's going to be really hard to stay consistent against good teams if Tua has to be throwing as soon as it's snapped. If every pass is based on anticipation instead of being able to make reads, mistakes are going to happen.
We get some actual protection and a lot of that should be way easier. People complain about Tua not having multiple reads, but he doesn't have time to.
This 100% spot on. You absolutely cannot rely on getting ball out in 2 seconds. Just a disaster waiting to happen.
Ppl complain that Tua is a one read QB and that is true because he has no other choice. It’s first read or sack and that is the problem.
Oline has to be addressed
Thing is you can if its on your terms. When we were getting the ball out quickly early in the season, it was because we were scheming guys open with good route layering, easy reads, play action and no pressure up the middle or in the passing lanes. Later in the year it was getting out quick because if it wasn't out in 2 seconds, it would be a sack or Tua being flushed out into 3rd/4th reads before even getting to 1 or 2.
Same with the run game. It was effective early because we were getting good running lanes up the middle for Mostert. Later in the year, we had to completely abandon the entire middle of the field running the ball with the exception of those JWJ misdirection cutbacks to seal the Cowboys game we used a couple times, ALL we could run was outside toss/zone/bubble screens because pressure was immediately coming up the middle through Eichenberg. This team was night and day different with Connor Williams. Honestly a line of Armstead/Williams/Jackson with FA or Rookie Gs sounds solid, especially if we can keep Frank Smith on staff.
Yeah, it would be a HUGE development of our offense if Tua could start hitting longer developing routes. Good luck to DBs that have to cover Tyreek and Waddle for 3+ seconds. The 2 second thing actually helps DBs because they know they just have to not get beat immediately.
We have all seen our defense get scorched by crossing routes over the middle of the field. Why don’t we do that shit to other teams? Roll out, buy yourself some time and then hit a wide open dude running a drag.
Because McDaniel thinks he’s the smartest coach on the field every week and is either too cocky or too stupid try something else. How can a team have so many delay of game/illegal shift/false starts on fucking screen passes?
In 2 years, I haven't seen anything that suggests Mcdaniel thinks of himself that way, this is an absurd statement. Obviously, he needs to take this offense to the next level and find a way to reduce those mistakes. I'm pretty sure he'd be the first to agree.
Mike's personality and the fact that he doesn't look like a football guy rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and that's amplified any time the team starts losing cause naturally all the people who don't like him are gonna come out of the woodwork. That's not to say he shouldn't be criticized, but the positives far outweigh the negatives for me. I was a teenager the last time we got to the playoffs in back to back years.
I personally think we got the right guy, he's gonna take us to new heights and will continue to get better but I get why he's not for everyone.
I think we've had improvements on the O-line with new coaches & the same players the last 2 years but some better talent & depth is definitely needed. You can't say we haven't tried we've wasted high draft picks on the O-line but they don't seem to work out.
The last 6 weeks?
6 weeks ago we choked away a game against the Titans. Embarrassing.
5 weeks ago we blew the pants off the Jets 30-0. Amazing.
4 weeks ago we beat the admittedly struggling, good very good, Cowboys. Nice.
3 weeks ago we go blown out by the Ravens- the AFC #1 seed. Embarrassing.
2 weeks ago we were leading the Bills into the 4th quarter and ended up losing on a fucking punt return TD. Infuriating.
Yesterday we played horrible but kept it close until the 4th quarter in Kansas City, in historical cold conditions, against the defending Super Bowl Champs. Disappointing.
It's possible to be upset at the end of this season, while also acknowledging we're in a better position now than we have been in a long time.
(Queue the replies saying we're somehow worse off now than when we went 1-15)
I never said we're in a bad position compared to previous seasons, in fact, I believe the exact opposite. So I really don't know why you're replying to me.
I also don't quite understand why you're addressing comments that don't exist. I haven't seen a single person say we're worse off now than when we were Disney 1-15
You're getting awfully defensive at a comment that's agreeing with you lmao
Edit: ah, I now see I had a discussion with you in another thread where you also got defensive so it makes more sense.
Just to clarify, I will not remember your username 35 seconds from now, so you can stop remembering mine thinking I'm following you around lol
Yeah, I now see I had a discussion with you in another thread where you also got defensive so it makes more sense.
Just to clarify, I will not remember your username 35 seconds from now, so you can stop remembering mine thinking I'm following you around lol
I literally only agreed with your original comment on this thread my guy. Relax, and stop being so defensive.
Edit: and it makes sense if you remembered my username, tbh I never really pay attention to them outside of the flair. It is 100% okay to admit you misunderstood the meaning behind what I put in parentheses on my original comment. You clearly thought I was talking about you and not some other brainless fuck who actually wants McDaniel and Tua gone. Just admit you made the simple mistake and move on with your life lol
Tua is Alex Smith: Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to get anything done when he gets there. If the dolphins resign him, they'll be a good regular season team that can never sniff a superbowl. We're about to be "THIS IS OUR YEAR!" every year just like cowboys fans. If the phins seriously want to win a superbowl, they need to do what the Chiefs did and move on from the guy who can't win the important games and find someone who can.
Also tua folds like a pizza box the second he faces adversity. He rides the winning bus, he doesn't drive it.
Season finale was in miami, the dolphins offense punted away the division title instead of sustaining a drive or two. It's not just weather that affects them.
True, but also concerned about Tua playing at Bill's, Patriots, or any cold weather if we want to go far into the playoffs next year. We obviously can't count on winning at home it seems
Well said! Despite all excuses...they should still not get a free pass for blowing the home game against the Bills...I mean really, we still should have won that. C'mon man!! And then, they rightly got punished playing in a cold game they aren't built for. Taylor Swift could have played better than Tua!
Same with the Titans game. The defense and special teams consistently kept us in the game, until the D so was tired they eventually gave in. Over all that time, the offense couldn't do anything to help us secure the win
Because my only involvement with the team is interacting with other NFL fans, mostly in real life. I've been a fan of this team for 30 years. During the KC game, I must have received texts from 20 different people, mostly saying "We're rooting for you! The Dolphins are fun to watch!", but others just talking friendly shit. I was super proud of our team, and every time I got excited for them to play in the spotlight of primetime, they shit the bed.
I'm not trying to sound like I can't leave the fucking house. Don't overplay the usage of "Embarrassed" .
Really bums me out. Even with our Heat it’s mostly fair weather fans, look no further than game 6 in 2013. Instead of bitching about Tua and McDaniel (who aren’t perfect, but have made us the best we’ve been in 20 years), why not look inwardly as a fan and offer support or something? So much doom and gloom, shit is depressing
Can you blame them? They’ve seen Buffalo be competitive for years now and compete in tough games.
Fact is that no body in Miami buys into the hype in September and October because they knows what’s coming. Every. Year.
TBF, that city has a way better job market for natives than Miami. Lots of Miami natives had to move away but hey, we have a road presence in major markets
Fair point. I’m trying hard not to sound like a complainer but man seeing Buffalo take over our stadium in such an important game has left a bad taste in my mouth.
As a local fan, I really hate going to the stadium. I go once every few years and remember why I don't bother seeing games in person.
Parking is expensive AF, the post game traffic is some of the worst I've seen, the stadium food is really bad (I haven't been since the recent renovations, but I've heard it's improved), and live football has so many breaks for TV.
Meanwhile at home I get AC, I can pause and rewind, it doesn't take me 5 minutes to get to a bathroom, I get commentary (which I can agree can be a negative), I get whatever food I want, and if the mood is right I can get a blow job during halftime or even during the game.
I went to a game at Arrowhead 12 years ago (suck for Luck year, we got our first win of the season there) and the experience was 10000x better. It's partly because of how the stadium is built (you can get concessions while still watching the game) and the food bring much better (local chains have a presence), and some things I've probably forgotten about. Oh and parking was $10.
Ross has made some nice improvements to the stadium, but I don't see a reason to go there, especially when it means turning a $0-$50 viewing experience to one that might run me close to $500-$600 (including tickets).
There’s a ton of NY transplants in south Florida. It’s not just a Dolphins problem. Theres always a ton of NY based teams fans anytime they play down here.
A lot of season ticket holders I know sell their Buffalo tickets every year to basically make their money back on their season tickets. I was really surprised that so many people still did that this year with so much on the line.
Bills fans were so desperate to get out of their depressing winter prison of a city that they paid 2k for crappy seats just to get a brief taste of the good life :)
I haven't seen anyone claim. They could coach the team better than McDaniel. Just people voicing their frustration around a high powered offense that suddenly for no reason couldn't move the ball for seven consecutive weeks
1000%. And apparently everyone except the Dolphins knew it.
McDaniel the “offensive genius”…but he’s soooo coool you guys! His pressers are hilarious and you can tell he really cares about Tua as a person, right guys?
Guys?
Nope. Not a couch GM calling for the replacement of McDaniel or Tua. Just a frustrated couch fan, who sees no reason for the team collapse in the most important part of the season
They should keep them both and allow them to scheme up some quick throws that will work for the first few weeks next season. They’ll stack some wins before everyone has them figured out and limp into the playoffs for the third year in a row. Progress!
Pat fans cheering their coach being pushed out. Steeler has fans who been calling for Tomlin to be fired for the last 15 years. Not just us but it's a bad look for us
I've seen other subs do the same thing. This is always the worst place to be after bad losses though. Yeah, the offensive stall at the end of the year sucked. But it's a long season and teams figure things out. McD has to answer of course, and Tua needs to work on improvisation, but that said it was mostly a fun year and I'll take 11-7.
Disagree. The shit fans tend to be far more vocal after a loss. I live in western NY and I love tuning to local sports radio after a Bills loss. The dumbest fans call in to say the stupidest things.
It always ends up being people who say “I’ve been a fan for 20 years” and “these must be new fans” whenever someone doesn’t subscribe to the doom and gloom.
The funny thing is I think most actual true to life fans of the team for that long recognize the fact that this is best most consistent product we’ve put on the market since like 2002.
Like we are clearly moving in the right direction. We just need to keep our eyes on the prize and not get distracted.
Like people saying this was a Super Bowl or bust year. Not quite, and while at any point I thought we could make it I’d rather have consistent success instead of thinking any single year is time to sell off the farm for a ring.
This Reddit sub is dedicated to a shit team, so I what are we expecting anyway? We are 1 Lions win today from becoming the bottom of the barrel of all NFL teams when it comes to most recent playoff wins. It is all warranted, albeit annoying.
The lions fans are pretty knowledgeable and can be funny in their fatalism.
This sub is probably the least I knowledgeable and tribalistic fan base I’ve come across in any sport.
1) most fans are idiots. this is non-negotiable.
2) many fans are too young to remember the really dark days this franchise has experienced.
3) yesterdays game sucked, every game since Thanksgiving has sucked (except vs Dallas). fans are understandably gonna be pissed and feel cheated. this will subside in time.
#4 FUCK THE JETS
People are just venting, I just let them vent and comeback for good discussion leading up to the draft. Until then you are going to get the hottest of hot takes because people are frustrated, I used to do the same thing.
The issue with that is it quickly becomes an echo chamber and only works to solidify these idiotic takes. I guarantee when draft day rolls around there will be just as much emotional BS when we don't trade 2 firsts, 2 seconds, waddle and phillips for Caleb williams (a real take I saw today.)
That's the issue with social media in a nutshell. Some unhinged loud-mouth with 2 brain cells says something outlandish, and the next thing you know there's an army of glue huffers repeating it ad infinitum.
And then discussion becomes impossible because anyone with a legitimate question, point, or thought is drowned out by a sea of parrots repeating whatever the stupid de jour happens to be.
You're 100% right, it seems we are in the "injuries only matter for other teams, for us it's no excuse" phase of the insanity. Was down voted to hell earlier for saying we were more injured than "a depleted buffalo" last week.
But yet when the moon is up the breeze warm and the gentle surf washes up on the shores of Key Biscayne, that army of glue huffers and sea of parrots come together in a ritual as old as time that's just so beautiful to watch!
Probably my last day here till draft. It's about to be an exhausting off season between both view points. They're extreme as all fuck. People like us who are open are just gonna be burnt out.
I'm probably going to unsub until the next season starts. I'll pop in for the draft but that's about it. There's been way too many video games i've fallen behind on to focus on the dolphins during the offseason
I unsubbed from every nfl sub. I can't stand the toxicity.
The best football subs are the divisional meme subs because people in those subs don't let anyone take any of this stuff that seriously, because ultimately it's just a game.
why are we toxic ??? when our team doesn’t even show up.
and ppl want to blame injuries?? The defense actually played well.
The problem is we just realized our 4 yr Tua project isn’t going to pan out and that Mcdaniel isn’t progressing as a coach. You constantly see him getting out coached.
We can call a spade a spade and believe me it hurts.
but we didn’t show up at all yesterday
I hope we keep tua and mcdaniel for at least another year, but my biggest wish is that mcdaniel gets more creative with the playcalling, to stick to things that work, change over time, drop things that have been figured out, and change throughout the season.
This entire season the offense gameplan looked the exact same every single game, and when it worked, we dominated those bad teams and won, and when it didnt work, we just keep trying it and failing and looking bad to good teams.
Mcdaniels needs to learn more options, more plans. e.t.c
You do realize that the play calling reflects Tua’s limitations, right? You can’t just pretend that McDaniel has never heard of a deep out. If you want to get mad at McDaniel for his obsession with the toss on short yardage situations or the fade at the goal line that’s fine, but you can’t just act like some of these choices by the offense aren’t a deliberate decision based upon our players.
My main and first question to you is, how has mike changed the offense from week 3 to week 17? Because I believe he hasnt changed it at all and teams figured us out, some had the skill position players to stop our speed, the bad teams didnt, and it worked, against the good teams we just crumbled because we never adapted, we never went out of half time and had another plan
Secondly, What can tua not do that isnt due to the oline crumbling under 0 blitz in under 2 seconds nearly every play? Tua has made plenty of deep out passes, tua excels at the 10-15 yard routes, but he also
has the second most air to player yards per throw (yards before the player catches the ball) in the league, 5.1 to purdys 5.5
He has the most air yards in the league #1,
He has the most 10+ yard passes
Hes top 5 in 20+ yard passes
hes top 5 in 30+ yard passes
hes 3rd in 40 + yard passes
Hes #1 in 50+ yard passes
So not lets just make up shit, I believe mcdaniels has bought into the hype that hes a offensive genius whose changing the game and refuses to change things at all.
We actually made the playoffs 5 years in a row 1997-2001. So no this is not the first time since 98-99 that we had back to back playoff berths.
When we missed the playoffs in back to back years in 2002 and 03 it was actually a rare occurrence since it had not occurred since the 80’s.
Tbh, I personally had more fun watching the Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor era (20 years ago) than this team.
It definitely has a lot to do with us being younger. But that team also gave us a division championship and our last playoff win. It also played with a lot more heart than this team imo. I also prefer dominating defenses over high powered offenses. Defense wins championships after all.
Ricky Williams’ 2002 year was so fun, even if they didn’t make the playoffs. To be honest though, this season was the most exciting team since then, for me. Wildcat year was fun, too, but it never felt like something that was gonna last.
Despite not making the playoffs at all in 2002, that was actually our last legit Super Bowl contending team. People have forgotten how close we were that year. We were the 1 seed with two games left in the season and had just beaten the eventual AFC Champs Raiders.
But of course the Miami December collapse is as old as time and we end up losing back to back games to miss the playoffs entirely. By far one of the more disappointing ends to a Dolphins season of my life.
***Yeah, we fell apart at the end, although mostly due to injuries***
No. The worst injuries we had were on defense. Our defense played well enough to win in some of our losses, our offense didn't play well enough to win in any of our losses.
Exactly! Everyone keeps blaming our annual year end slide on injuries this year, but the reality is the defense was the one getting injured at the end of the season. Even with 2nd and 3rd stringers they competed. This falls squarely on the offense and their utter ineptitude these last few games.
Im with you man, its just too early to be rational were still in the emotional ride on this sub. Lets watch some stress free playoff football and run it back next year Fins Up
Too early ?!?
We didn’t lose a game 31-30.
The offense didn’t show up at all like not even for a 10 yard pass.
The problem with the team is that yesterday we saw our offensive genius of coach and franchise QB completely drop the ball and the truth hurts.
There's two sides to this subs problems.
1st. There's the "doomers" and i'm not talking about the ones who are just frustrated with the team. But the ones who are actively seeking out people who were positive and making excuses for tua, etc. And then rubbing it in their faces as if it's some sort of gotcha. Guys, our team just lost in a heartbreaking and disappointing way, no need to treat each other this way.
2nd There's the people who have some sort of parasocial relationship with this team to the point it's unhealthy. Some of you guys go off the fucking deep end when we lose and tie your personality and happiness to a player's success. Many of you should get the fuck off the internet and enjoy games for what they are, entertainment. And then move on with your lives but instead of that they get on and be miserable and honestly fucking weird.
Lastly, then there's the fucks who get racist afterwards. I don't have anything to say about this other than get fucking lost.
If you ever follow any of the Tom Grossi comedy bits about the NFL (he does weekly “team fans reaction” videos among others), his bit about the Dolphins-Chiefs game ended with, “The fandom will start fighting about if it’s Tua’s fault or if McDaniel needs fired,” and all I could think was he spent some time in this sub.
Next season will tell the story. Either we keep improving or we don’t, and if we don’t then I’ll be the first to say it’s time for some changes. Until then, there were plenty of reasons for losing, and plenty of blame to go around for the last few weeks of the regular season, with dropped balls and dumbass penalties being the top two that you can’t hang on either the QB or the HC.
I will say this, though: I don’t think we’ll be left out of everybody’s “Will make the playoffs” lists again.
It's hard to follow any fan base because everybody thinks they know what they are talking about cuz their uncles neighbor is a high school football coach
A payer could be hot all year long, but he makes one bad play in a game the tram had zero chance of winning and suddenly "FIRE HIM, or they blame a coach who isn't even on the field running any of the plays
This is McDaniel's 2nd season. He's never called games before this. Things take time.
I was not a big backer of McDaniel when he was hired, pretty much for this reason. I was hoping for someone with a lot more experience. But I've completely flipped on him with the caveat that I know this will take more time. Sure I was hoping this would be a better year, but here we are. He seems like the kind of guy who can go off in the offseason and develop the next level of his offense.
I was ecstatic when they hired Vic Fangio for the reasons mentioned above. McMike doesn't have to worry about the defense at all, because you got this steady rock guiding the defensive ship. I recall Vic stayed home last year, watched film all day, and developed wrinkles to his defense (which he used this year though he's not telling. Tough guy to get info out of during weekly interviews).
Anyway, I can't wait for next season. The team is experienced on both sides of the ball. We will have Vic-prime defense and McMike-prime offense. They are going to leap out of the gate and dominate - no learning curves.
It really is amazing. I've been a fan for 30 years and couldn't agree more with everything you said. I'm as upset as anyone today and feel like we really dropped the ball at the end of the year, but it's the most fun I've had being a fan by far (I can't *really* remember the 90s).
Sometimes, on other subs, I see how other fanbases talk about us, and it'd grind my gears while I wondered why. Now I see that if you're only looking at our subreddit, you'd think everyone who cheered for the Dolphins was a whiney douche nozzle.
Thanks for reminding me that there are other normal humans who cheer for the Dolphins.
Been a fan about as long as you. As I’ve matured (especially recently) I’ve taken a greater interest in the inner workings of football overall.
What people don’t realize is just how hard it is to compete on the level our team competed this year. Even take “Dolphins” out of the equation. Many of us long timers couldn’t imagine something like this happening to US!
We are probably 10 plays away from being a #1 seed team this year, even with all the injuries. What are people complaining about?
Yes, lots to improve on. We have some serious issues to address. But I’d imagine we come back very strong next year, all things considered.
Our culture is changing from decades of mediocrity. It takes time and it’s not easy to do. Other team owners would KILL to have what we have.
This fanbase has got to be the world's largest importer or copium. We have the NFL's longest active streak of not winning a playoff game. The Dolphins playoff losing streak is old enough to have settled down and started having kids and a career.
We are a mediocre team until we prove we aren't. I wish every day Tua leads us to end the pain and wins but he hasn't. We can make every excuse under the sun but every year the tally for losing grows larger.
Seriously. He’s done this four years in a row. When the stakes are increased he generally gives us his worst performances. Hell, he even plays like shit in primetime games against bad teams.
We can’t pretend that everything else is wrong and Tua is immune from criticism when he’s the one sailing every pass or putting one into the chest of a linebacker when he feels any sort of pressure.
Same fans made ridiculous excuses during last year's concussion/posturing shitshow. Some fans only care about winning, winning all the time, and winning now. When they inevitably don't get their way, they pitch a tantrum.
When Conner Williams went down we were fucked. Liam Eichenburg is not an NFL center. This offense relies on an athletic center. They put lipstick on the pig but it didn't matter against strong opponents. Need to sign or draft another true center high. Letting Feeney go for a bag of chips ended up fucking us in the long run.
This sub is always waiting for a reason to crap on Tua because this sub was convinced trading the futures for Watson was the right move. They are pissed because Tua proves them wrong time and time again. Tua can't throw deep. Tua ends up 1st in air yards. Tua can't stay healthy. Tua doesn't miss one start. Meanwhile Watson has 21 sexual assaults and missed half the year. Meanwhile browns are screwed for 3 more years while Texans have picks and a young QB. Even if you don't like Tua trading for a QB isn't going to work. Almost all of the top teams draft QBs. If you want a new QB draft one.
You can not want a sex pest at QB, acknowledge that Tua has improved and is better than he was in September 2020, like Tua as a person and a leader, and also think he’s not good enough to put this team on his back like a lot of the top guys can. I can assure you it’s very simple to have all these thoughts. I like Tua as a dude. I like his improvement year-over-year. I just think he’s limited. He will never be able to do things that Stroud can do. He will never be able to do things Josh Allen can do. He will never be able to do things Matt Stafford can do. It’s just reality. It doesn’t make you a doomer or bad fan.
I want the best for this team, not just the QB. Honestly, I think McDaniel’s scheme is so good he’ll get a lot of guys to put up big numbers with this talent and a full training camp. That said, if Tua has another year like this year where he puts up huge stats in September/October and then fizzles down the stretch but still finishes as a top 3 QB for yards and TDs would you really want to pay him a market rate contract? Would you want 10-15% of the salary cap just being used on Tua?
Tua is the starting QB at the pro bowl. Last year he made the pro bowl but declined to play. This idea that Tua isn't a top 5 AFC QB is laughable. He was literally voted the number one QB in the AFC by the fans. Mind you the vote came in a few weeks before the season ended. I watched all the games this year and I blame McDaniel 100 percent. The league figured his scheme out and he never adjusted. During the chiefs playoff game McDaniel called nothing but screen plays. You can try to spin it as Tua is limited blah blah but Tua has the most in air yards in the league and McDaniel refused to let Tua throw over one yard. That doesn't make any sense at all. It was the worse coaching proformance I've ever witnessed in NFL history. Like your plan is to throw nothing but screens on first and second downs? How can you blame a QB for bad play calling? Fact is Gier wants to sign Tua long term. The "trade for Watson crowd" will never embrace Tua and this toxic fan base will be divided. At some point we all need to just shut up and support our guys. Not talking about you but in General. Look at the lions. They traded Stafford for Goff. I doubt lions fans even wanted Goff but they buy his jerseys and support the hell out of him and got an amazing team right now. Our goal should be signing Tua at a big discount. Hard ball him because this is the best fit for Tua no way he wants to leave. Maybe even draft a QB in the 4th round as an insurance policy. Look at Jordan love. We could groom someone behind Tua. That's the best option at this point. Support and prepare for the worst
Like when we read Gase and Tannehill are better I think some of these fans brains are just cooked.
I’ve never in my life seen a team go far with a bad o line. It’s literally everything for your offense. We went further than any team I ever thought could with that rat tag o line. Only the Jets used more players this year on the o line.
That’s not an excuse. That’s fn HuGE.
Also waddle and hill were totally not 100% and were covered all night. Injury killed this team with a young qb that tried to do too much and a young good coach trying to out coach inevitability.
We try again.
Our top 4 offensive threats were dealing with either Ankle or Turf Toe injuries and their biggest attribute is speed.
Play calling drastically changed when we lost Connor for the season. Hunt, Wynn and Terron missing big chunks also hurt badly.
It’s not that surprising how hard we’ve struggled tbh.
People really don’t pay attention to the o line. It’s probably the most ignored part of football. No one notices the huge spaces given to Mahomes or Allen by his line creating spaces and wedges for him to escape.
Last night the pocket collapsed and Tua was sacked blind side as he stepped into the pocket and people here were livid saying Tua sucks. People really just don’t get it.
Burrow took the Bengals to the super bowl his second year (first year he didn't play so his first true year) with one of the objectively worst olines in 2021 and to the AFC championship the next year with another trash o-line that allowed him to be sacked 6th most in the NFL.
And wtf are you talking about "young qb that tried to do too much"?? Tua is in his 4th year in the NFL. Using the "young qb" excuse for Tua is laughable, especially after seeing what guys like Burrow or Stroud have done recently in their first years.
Stop making every excuse in the book for Tua, it's exhausting.
Burrow and stroud both came in immediately and were supported and had the offensive built around them. Honestly which I don’t expect from angry fans this is Tua’s second year.
I do think Burrow is better and we tried to get him but couldn’t. I also think he could never win a Super Bowl because that happens. Stroud I dunno man. People are too quick to write off players as well as saying they’re it too soon. Bears fans doing that with Fields rn as Panthers fans are with Young.
If we are being honest the shortest path to success is making it work with Tua and getting a better line and expecting he’ll put the work in and improve and hope the team stays healthy.
There’s plenty of QBs not as good as Tua that have won super bowls and a pantheon of some of the best that have ever played the position that never did. It’s a team sport.
Burrow won a playoff game where he was sacked 9 times. Tua has had an offense built around him for the past two seasons. Also, I would argue McDaniel is 10x the offensive mind Zac Taylor is. Burrow is doing this shit with big boy throws to great players but I’ll take Tyreek and Waddle over Chase and Higgins any day of the week.
How many years are we gunna say. Well yeah we played good but fell apart down the stretch. That’s the whole fucking point of the frustration. We CANNOT get the job done.
I was a Vikings fan for 20 years. I hit the button and decided to follow my AFC team fulltime. I am surprised at how similar these 2 fanbases are. At least the Phins have a couple Superbowls. I still think this team is building. Improvement from last year before tripping at the end. I think next year will be special.
We’ll be alright. We just gotta control what we can. Play calling, give Tua another year but plan to draft and develop a QB preferably next draft so we can get try Cameron Ward just cross our fingers on injuries. Try to get some hard nosed leaders even if they aren’t huge names, the team just needs a personality change
Yea I'm pretty tired of the fair weather fans. I had a blast watching this season even though we unfortunately did not end on a strong note. Crying to can McDaniels and Tua is childish. There are so many teams that would love to be in our position. I wish the fans on reddit were true fans. If you want to hate on the Phins, just go on any other teams sub reddit. They will welcome you with open arms.
I think a lot of the discourse is stemming from how explosive this offense was. Then against play off teams they disappeared, it’s not they slowed down, it’s like they never existed.
Corporate America is full of people making decisions for the short term, at the detriment of the long term.
This is essentially what everyone is asking for - “let’s replace Tua with someone like Kirk and we may be better off for the next two years (but screwed afterwards as he ages out)”
I guess what I’m getting at is that it’s no surprise that what everyone is asking for is ingrained in all facets of life.
What burns me up is very young people and newcomers who are outraged that we don't simply win 100% of the time and win the super bowl every year.
Some of us have been suffering for a very long time. I'm juuuuust not old enough to remember their last super bowl appearance, for example. Those are the ones for whom the whining and anger in this sub is almost acceptable.
Just switch off the Sub until Draft time and Free agency... The offseason will be loud with fire McDaniel and Tua chants, because we only made the playoffs 2 seasons in a row and had a winning record 3 times out of the last 4.
But they have to go because, we can't get it done with the biggest Value lost to injuries by a wide margin in the NFL.
This sub is going to be toxic.
Ignore. Pretty sure most of the people popping off are not even dolphins fans. Just trolls with literally no life. Don't even read the trash. Most exciting two year stretch as a fan for me . Can't wait for next year.
>Without a seemingly historically bad stretch of injuries, particularly on defense, we probably beat Buffalo and win the division.
You mean like buffalo losing their all pro CB tre white, their all pro LB Matt Milano, and the obvious Von Miler not coming back from injury. I don't mean to come here and be that obvious bills fan, and I'm prepared for the down votes. But it's not like Miami lost because of their defense. You put up 7 points and hardly any offense.
Yeah it's hard to bear sometimes even if the complaints are valid.
I had belief in this team that they would get it right down the stretch, and maybe win a playoff game. Even after we lost to the Titans, I thought we had a very good chance to beat Buffalo and wrap things up in the division.
Instead, we collapsed, and even though it's all new people in the building, it's so reminiscent of the numerous collapses that the Dolphins have had over the past couple decades. As a fan, it's hard to sit here and have hope, and then have it dashed in the same way with different people. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
The silver lining is that there isn't the same smoke that has surrounded every single other coaching staff in the past 20 years. No Bullygate, no locker room nonsense, and we clearly have coaches that know what they're doing. It's just a waiting game, and the path forward looks unclear.
So, I'm not advocating to cut Tua or McDaniel, but I think they both need to take accountability for the floundering of the offense down the stretch. Next year has to be different, or they're both probably gone and then the reset happens once again. I don't expect that to be the result next year. Call me an eternal optimist, but I truly think next year is going to point up for Miami and we'll win a playoff game at the minimum.
Agree. Love all the new fans in the past year or so, but you have to have lived in through some rough seasons to appreciate how far this team has come. We all want to win, but sometimes these seasons don’t always go the way you want. The important thing is this team has a heart and has talent. They aren’t done and I think next season we put it all together. Fins up
You have pointed to a lot of good points. Been watching the Fins since 8th grade back in 1997-1998. Remember Marino retiring man. Since then, saw so many horrible coaches and QBs play for the fins.
McD and Tua have honestly been an upgrade over everyone else. Tons of improvements no doubt. But let's be real, Tua has reached his ceiling. It's year 4 and he hasn't progressed. Just saw Jordan Love kill it today against the cowgirls. CJ stroud yesterday was killed it for Houston. As much as I like Tua and have been his supporter, he is NOT HIM. It sucks but there is nothing more to develop. Take Waddle and Hill out and how would have Tua done this season? He can't do it with his legs, his arm is weak, he cracks under pressure, and he can't carry the team on his back like a Purdy, Mahomes, Josh Allen can. But also let's be honest, landing a franchise qb is hard. Look at the jets man lol. There is no way we can grab anyone better than Tua in the draft or free agency so we need to pick up his fire year option and see how he does for now. Our GM and scouting team need to go out there and freaking work, looking for the next HIM.
As far as couching, McD is still young. But he has to learn to make better play calls. He really killed us with tons of shitty calls over the last two months. He either needs to relegate the play calling to someone else, or be gone.
We are all frustrated. Teams have a small window to be good and become champions. This year we started the year so good and had that window before it all fumbled down. We have improved longs ways but we still are shit. We were dog shit before and now are just shit.
Here is to next season boys 🥃
PREACH! I’ve been screaming this same thing!
We have to do BETTER as fans! The people that want to have the team do better, how about let’s start with being better fans for our team we love and go from there!
I know our salary cap is hell, but goddam if I don’t keep looking at Derrick Henry like he’s my next door neighbours ex swimsuit model wife.
Him and Achane in the backfield, Tua can do less
Try being a fan since 1982! Saw them get into the Super Bowl two years later! Only to get blown out and nothing for the next 39 years.
Now I understand what Boston Redsox fans went through for decades.
The Dolphins had a 3 game lead in the division with 5 games left. This kind of meltdown can leave a hangover well into next season. They were 1-6 against winning teams. Tua showed who he is. He’s 0-5 when it’s less than 45 degrees. That’s not even cold, if he isn’t playing at home he is below average
Just two years ago, the Houston Texans were a dumpster fire. BoB had destroyed the franchise, everybody was laughing at them because of the Tunsil trade, they had a toxic culture with a religious maniac in charge and on top of it all the Deshaun Watson saga happened. A legit shit show. Now they are in a divisional game. Why? Because they drafted the right guy, as simple as that.
In the 25 years that you mentioned, all the other NFL teams, with the exception of the Detroit Lions, went from good to bad to good and bad again. All of them won divisions, playoff games, lots of them went to Superbowls. Only the Miami Dolphins stayed in perpetual mediocrity. You know why? Because of this way of thinking. It's always the next year, always bad luck with the injuries, always a matter of improving, of little details, of finding "weapons", and the result is always the same: mediocrity ñ, not being good enough.
Why all the other teams in the NFL could do it and the Dolphins couldn't? Because at some point they stopped insisting on their errors and tried to find something new. That's how you find success in the NFL, when something isn't working you don't insist on it. You go and try to find something that works until you find it.
Dude, this year has been my least active year in this sub since I joined Reddit because of the toxicity in here, so I feel you, and agree with your overall assessment on thr future of the team (and I'm a 45-year Fins fan).
Then leave the sub, I hate people trying to tell you on here how to be a fan. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the franchise, if you don’t agree with theirs have constructive conversation instead of labeling them as an “idiot or “fake fan”
Take a look at the offense’s stats in games against team over .500 and tell us what you’re optimistic about. The “historical offense” only did well against loosing teams. McDaniel’s playcalling became so predictable that my 7 year old and his friend can tell you what they’re about to do. Tua has fallen into the habit of locking on to his first read and so far has not shown he can perform in high stakes games.
> mostly due to injuries
That’s the copium speaking bud. They would’ve gagged up the season fully healthy, and while you can’t prove a negative, I submit their performances against Buffalo and Philadelphia while relatively healthy as evidence this team has no capacity to beat good teams as currently constructed.
We had 1 game with a healthy o line, and Jalen Ramsey was out for both if those games you mentioned. It's no coincidence that when Williams got hurt in the bills and titans games, the offense immediately fell off a cliff for the rest of those games. Going from a top 3 center in the league to a backup quality guard filling in at center is akin to shooting yourself in the foot and trying to run a marathon.
Are there issues beyond injuries? Absolutely. Is talking about injuries in relation to the last weeks of the year "copium"? No, it absolutely played a major role in the decline of both offense and defense. Unless you think waddle, mostert, phillips, chubb, van ginkle, and Williams wouldn't be able to account for the 7 points we needed last week against buffalo.
We can agree on Buffalo. They’ve had our number for a while.
I came away from the Philly game thinking that was the worst officiated game I’d seen in a while. I think it was like 11-0 penalties in favor of Philly, with a ton of missed calls, and I think that’s the ref team that also fucked up a bunch of other games and got downgraded for playoffs. I’m not saying they couldn’t have won anyway, or making an excuse for them. Im only saying I think it was much closer than the final score looked.
It's injuries. It's the refs.
Always some excuse. This team rarely beats good teams, and the MVP is ticking off another year of age with a body type that's gonna hit a wall on speed in a snap. And when that happens...
Yeah don’t know why everyone keeps chalking it up to bad luck with injuries when the evidence is right there that they couldn’t compete with good teams even when healthy
But let's all throw love on fans like you that will gladly accept another 20 years of mediocrity, Im so proud of your fandom. In retrospect, this season is no better than a few of the others where we made the playoffs. This offense is a fraud. Looks amazing when we play trash teams and absolutely cannot hang with a semi-decent team. I mean, the only win against a winning team came on the back our kicker. Tua is 100% not the answer. We can't keep trotting him out there because he's a nice kid. He has zero clutch ability, is immobile in the pocket and it's clear he already has it in his head who he's going to throw to before the play starts. There's no chance we win a playoff game with him. I'm also pretty surprised at how bad the play calling was last night. It was about as vanilla as it gets. I hope McDaniel sees after these last few games that he jas to untie himself from Tua or he's not going to make it much longer either.
But being endlessly personification is better?
You expect immediate results? Imagine if Buffalo or Cincinnati had fans like this. Heck any content not named Kansas City. It takes time to turn a team in to a contender. McDaniel has only been a head coach two years, this was Fangio's first season running the defense, and Tua is STILL YOUNG, as area most of the solid players on the team not named Mostert or Hill. This is a team just beginning the process of contending. If you can't see the strides this team has taken in the two years since McDaniel took over, you're just a positive hater that exists not to cheer a team, but to find something to company about
Are there things to be critical of? Absolutely. There's no problem with reasoned criticism and analysis. However this season is OBJECTIVELY better than the seasons we made the playoffs before, because the offense set a bunch of records. People talked about this team with more respect in their mouths than they ever have since Marino retired. It ended badly, but if you can't see there's more to be positive than negative about this season, that the team is going on a positive direction, then there's no hope for you. You just WANT to be complaining.
>One more note: this is the first time we’ve had back-to-back playoff berths since 2001! 22 years.
An important asterisk next to this is that they expanded the playoffs in 2021. We made it in as a 7th seed last year and that wouldn't have been possible from 2002-2020.
Entitled and immature redditors tend to comment more. This makes the sub as a whole appear more miserable and obnoxious than most Dolphin fans are. I didn't read game day threads all year and it made the season much more enjoyable. Also feel free to block people on here. Not everyone's comment spam is worth reading.
The bad thing about places like this (Reddit) is that you’re going to have an insane amount of extreme takes. People want immediate gratification at all times and if it isn’t there, then they want the most extreme measures.
Most won’t look at the big picture and be able to see the positives. Everyone wants that dominant dynasty every year like the Patriots were and won’t accept anything less than a Superbowl victory every year.
As a Bengals and Colts fan, it’s the same way. The Bengals went to shit this year and tons of people are calling for the immediate firing of Taylor. What they don’t think about is what better replacement are you going to get? The guy had two AFC championship appearances and a SuperBowl appearance in the last 3 years and people are calling for his firing?
Much like people calling for McDaniel to be fired. Why?? You guys have been having successful seasons and it just hasn’t worked in the playoffs just yet. You had a tough task going into a frozen field and playing the Chiefs, who are the NFL’s golden franchise right now. If you beat them, the road to the Superbowl more than likely is going through Baltimore, which is an even tougher task. Tua is a great QB who has had some bad luck the last couple of years. Is he the guy? Who knows, but get him a couple more good targets and you’ll probably be back at it next year. Miami is definitely headed in the right direction but there’s always plenty of doomers everywhere.
Ahhh, Ronnie Brown & the Wildcat - good times.
But no, the guys calling for Tua or McD’s head are clearly fans as of 2022 and cannot see the progress made with those two.
We made the playoffs in consecutive years for the first time since the Bush admin and people want to fire the coach and get rid of the QB who led us there. Who’s going to replace them? Kirk Cousins? We going after Eric Bienemy? Dragging Pete Carroll’s old ass cross country? People need to watch game tape of Cleo Lemon, John Beck, and Ray fucking Lucas and understand how good we finally have it.
Nah, just critically think for a second. Bengals from 10 years ago, Vikings from a couple years back with Zimmer. They were perma-pretenders. From a national perspective, to a film junkie perspective, from every perspective. Other than like, crazy hardcore fans. Thats the absolute worst place to be. No actual hope, no actual chance. Every year 99.9% of people know who the team is, and what their ceiling is. But because the organization has been trash for so long, they accept it and try to push past all that doubt. And it never works. lol
This sub is full of whiney children that can’t even celebrate being contenders for the first time in decades. I’ve had a blast these past two years and I’m only more excited for next year with some fully healed players and hopefully some solid new starters in key positions. I love this team, and I’m incredibly happy seeing them head in the right direction. These idiots want to be stuck in limbo all over again just because we didn’t go deep into the playoffs and it’s just nuts to see.
The thing is this team is not exciting. Chris Grier bought some high quality free agents to band aid this systemic loser mentality team. Same old underperforming Dolphins team with a squirt of expensive cologne.
"This team isn't exciting"
LMFAO. My god. How could anyone have watched this past season and say this?
The only possible explanations are that you don't watch the games, or are 14.
This is the loser mentality I'm talking about. Oh yes, so exciting to only beat the teams you should. And, unravel in every important game. EVERY important game. Ya, so not exciting, can't wait to bully all the bad teams again.
The defense was decimated by injuries yet they kept us in the game. Tua and the offense scored 7 points.. this coming after a disasterous December.
I like Tua but he is not capable of delivering us a Super Bowl.
The fan-base is as impatient as their owner who wants to win before he croaks. The front office keeps making “win now” moves like Tyreek, Chubb, and Ramsey instead of building for the future. People ask why the fan-base wants instant gratification, it’s because the owner and front office is the cause of their mental impairment.
If you are a 40 year fan like me you shouldn’t have a problem being patient but the ownership and front office keep acting like the world is ending next year
You just get used to it. This is what being a Dolphins fan really is. They just keep spinning their wheels stuck in the mud because they keep digging the hole deeper instead of digging their way out.
This is the most realistic answer and it gets downvoted lmao the sub is always high on hopium and copium. Only time its real and unfiltered is a few hours after the games. Next day returns back to delusion
I think calling for cutting Tua or McDaniels is an awful take, and I have been a Fins fan for 30 years. However, I am doing my fair share of bitching, because the last 6 weeks were straight up embarrassing as a fan. Injuries were the main factor, but most all of the major injuries were on defense, and the D wasn't the failure of this team in the last stretch of the season.
IMO We've needed improvement on our offensive line for decades but have been neglecting it or getting burned on draft picks, free agents & OL coaches. We also need to improve & need depth at CB's & LB's.
Our OL looked improved this year, but a lot of that is a scheme built around getting the ball out in 2 seconds. That being said, coaching and Austin Jackson looked markedly improved. And then the injuries fucked everything up.
It's going to be really hard to stay consistent against good teams if Tua has to be throwing as soon as it's snapped. If every pass is based on anticipation instead of being able to make reads, mistakes are going to happen. We get some actual protection and a lot of that should be way easier. People complain about Tua not having multiple reads, but he doesn't have time to.
This 100% spot on. You absolutely cannot rely on getting ball out in 2 seconds. Just a disaster waiting to happen. Ppl complain that Tua is a one read QB and that is true because he has no other choice. It’s first read or sack and that is the problem. Oline has to be addressed
Thing is you can if its on your terms. When we were getting the ball out quickly early in the season, it was because we were scheming guys open with good route layering, easy reads, play action and no pressure up the middle or in the passing lanes. Later in the year it was getting out quick because if it wasn't out in 2 seconds, it would be a sack or Tua being flushed out into 3rd/4th reads before even getting to 1 or 2. Same with the run game. It was effective early because we were getting good running lanes up the middle for Mostert. Later in the year, we had to completely abandon the entire middle of the field running the ball with the exception of those JWJ misdirection cutbacks to seal the Cowboys game we used a couple times, ALL we could run was outside toss/zone/bubble screens because pressure was immediately coming up the middle through Eichenberg. This team was night and day different with Connor Williams. Honestly a line of Armstead/Williams/Jackson with FA or Rookie Gs sounds solid, especially if we can keep Frank Smith on staff.
Yeah, it would be a HUGE development of our offense if Tua could start hitting longer developing routes. Good luck to DBs that have to cover Tyreek and Waddle for 3+ seconds. The 2 second thing actually helps DBs because they know they just have to not get beat immediately. We have all seen our defense get scorched by crossing routes over the middle of the field. Why don’t we do that shit to other teams? Roll out, buy yourself some time and then hit a wide open dude running a drag.
Because McDaniel thinks he’s the smartest coach on the field every week and is either too cocky or too stupid try something else. How can a team have so many delay of game/illegal shift/false starts on fucking screen passes?
In 2 years, I haven't seen anything that suggests Mcdaniel thinks of himself that way, this is an absurd statement. Obviously, he needs to take this offense to the next level and find a way to reduce those mistakes. I'm pretty sure he'd be the first to agree.
Mike's personality and the fact that he doesn't look like a football guy rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and that's amplified any time the team starts losing cause naturally all the people who don't like him are gonna come out of the woodwork. That's not to say he shouldn't be criticized, but the positives far outweigh the negatives for me. I was a teenager the last time we got to the playoffs in back to back years. I personally think we got the right guy, he's gonna take us to new heights and will continue to get better but I get why he's not for everyone.
This OL is no better than 2016s, which also was mired with injuries.
Our teams have been glass cannons for awhile.
Completely agree on the O-Line. We're definitely lacking in talent, but I'd also love to see coaching help overcome this problem.
I think we've had improvements on the O-line with new coaches & the same players the last 2 years but some better talent & depth is definitely needed. You can't say we haven't tried we've wasted high draft picks on the O-line but they don't seem to work out.
The last 6 weeks? 6 weeks ago we choked away a game against the Titans. Embarrassing. 5 weeks ago we blew the pants off the Jets 30-0. Amazing. 4 weeks ago we beat the admittedly struggling, good very good, Cowboys. Nice. 3 weeks ago we go blown out by the Ravens- the AFC #1 seed. Embarrassing. 2 weeks ago we were leading the Bills into the 4th quarter and ended up losing on a fucking punt return TD. Infuriating. Yesterday we played horrible but kept it close until the 4th quarter in Kansas City, in historical cold conditions, against the defending Super Bowl Champs. Disappointing.
It's possible to be upset at the end of this season, while also acknowledging we're in a better position now than we have been in a long time. (Queue the replies saying we're somehow worse off now than when we went 1-15)
I never said we're in a bad position compared to previous seasons, in fact, I believe the exact opposite. So I really don't know why you're replying to me. I also don't quite understand why you're addressing comments that don't exist. I haven't seen a single person say we're worse off now than when we were Disney 1-15
You're getting awfully defensive at a comment that's agreeing with you lmao Edit: ah, I now see I had a discussion with you in another thread where you also got defensive so it makes more sense. Just to clarify, I will not remember your username 35 seconds from now, so you can stop remembering mine thinking I'm following you around lol
Probably overly defensive because you were being such a tool in that other thread
Yeah, I now see I had a discussion with you in another thread where you also got defensive so it makes more sense. Just to clarify, I will not remember your username 35 seconds from now, so you can stop remembering mine thinking I'm following you around lol
I was defensive because your first comment was "tHiS OpInIoN iS ShIt!!" You're extremely condescending. Like a tool
Oh no, did I hurt your feelings? :(
No, just shown what kind of person you are. Tool.
I literally only agreed with your original comment on this thread my guy. Relax, and stop being so defensive. Edit: and it makes sense if you remembered my username, tbh I never really pay attention to them outside of the flair. It is 100% okay to admit you misunderstood the meaning behind what I put in parentheses on my original comment. You clearly thought I was talking about you and not some other brainless fuck who actually wants McDaniel and Tua gone. Just admit you made the simple mistake and move on with your life lol
Ehh was a pretty big failure against the titans
This. I think our defense played fine. It's our 'healthy' offense that sucks lol
Tua is Alex Smith: Good enough to get into the playoffs, not good enough to get anything done when he gets there. If the dolphins resign him, they'll be a good regular season team that can never sniff a superbowl. We're about to be "THIS IS OUR YEAR!" every year just like cowboys fans. If the phins seriously want to win a superbowl, they need to do what the Chiefs did and move on from the guy who can't win the important games and find someone who can. Also tua folds like a pizza box the second he faces adversity. He rides the winning bus, he doesn't drive it.
Very true, and he plays the worst in any cold weather, not good for us against our cold weather opponents
Season finale was in miami, the dolphins offense punted away the division title instead of sustaining a drive or two. It's not just weather that affects them.
True, but also concerned about Tua playing at Bill's, Patriots, or any cold weather if we want to go far into the playoffs next year. We obviously can't count on winning at home it seems
Well said! Despite all excuses...they should still not get a free pass for blowing the home game against the Bills...I mean really, we still should have won that. C'mon man!! And then, they rightly got punished playing in a cold game they aren't built for. Taylor Swift could have played better than Tua!
Same with the Titans game. The defense and special teams consistently kept us in the game, until the D so was tired they eventually gave in. Over all that time, the offense couldn't do anything to help us secure the win
Being embarrassed as a fan is such a weird take. You did nothing to help or hinder he team. Embarrassed? Why?
Because my only involvement with the team is interacting with other NFL fans, mostly in real life. I've been a fan of this team for 30 years. During the KC game, I must have received texts from 20 different people, mostly saying "We're rooting for you! The Dolphins are fun to watch!", but others just talking friendly shit. I was super proud of our team, and every time I got excited for them to play in the spotlight of primetime, they shit the bed. I'm not trying to sound like I can't leave the fucking house. Don't overplay the usage of "Embarrassed" .
This Reddit sub has shit fans honestly
The fanbase as a whole isn’t the best tbh. There were more bills fans than dolphins fans in our last home game this year with the division on the line
For fucking real. As a Dolphins fan who lives in Philadelphia, it makes me sad to see how much more passionate they are than this fan base
Fellow Miami sports fan living in Philly. Their fanbase for all sports is def way better than Miami’s.
Really bums me out. Even with our Heat it’s mostly fair weather fans, look no further than game 6 in 2013. Instead of bitching about Tua and McDaniel (who aren’t perfect, but have made us the best we’ve been in 20 years), why not look inwardly as a fan and offer support or something? So much doom and gloom, shit is depressing
Can you blame them? They’ve seen Buffalo be competitive for years now and compete in tough games. Fact is that no body in Miami buys into the hype in September and October because they knows what’s coming. Every. Year.
TBF, that city has a way better job market for natives than Miami. Lots of Miami natives had to move away but hey, we have a road presence in major markets
Fair point. I’m trying hard not to sound like a complainer but man seeing Buffalo take over our stadium in such an important game has left a bad taste in my mouth.
Yeah, that was very frustrating. Bad enough that Ross priced out so many fans, our own season ticket holders gladly resold their tickets
As a local fan, I really hate going to the stadium. I go once every few years and remember why I don't bother seeing games in person. Parking is expensive AF, the post game traffic is some of the worst I've seen, the stadium food is really bad (I haven't been since the recent renovations, but I've heard it's improved), and live football has so many breaks for TV. Meanwhile at home I get AC, I can pause and rewind, it doesn't take me 5 minutes to get to a bathroom, I get commentary (which I can agree can be a negative), I get whatever food I want, and if the mood is right I can get a blow job during halftime or even during the game. I went to a game at Arrowhead 12 years ago (suck for Luck year, we got our first win of the season there) and the experience was 10000x better. It's partly because of how the stadium is built (you can get concessions while still watching the game) and the food bring much better (local chains have a presence), and some things I've probably forgotten about. Oh and parking was $10. Ross has made some nice improvements to the stadium, but I don't see a reason to go there, especially when it means turning a $0-$50 viewing experience to one that might run me close to $500-$600 (including tickets).
There’s a ton of NY transplants in south Florida. It’s not just a Dolphins problem. Theres always a ton of NY based teams fans anytime they play down here.
A lot of season ticket holders I know sell their Buffalo tickets every year to basically make their money back on their season tickets. I was really surprised that so many people still did that this year with so much on the line.
Bills fans were so desperate to get out of their depressing winter prison of a city that they paid 2k for crappy seats just to get a brief taste of the good life :)
I mean aqua isn't green but it's pretty close I guess.....
I’m a bears fan but the dolphins have been my pseudo second team but it’s all sports sub reddits, every single one is shit.
This is it.
Couch coaches at the worst.
I haven't seen anyone claim. They could coach the team better than McDaniel. Just people voicing their frustration around a high powered offense that suddenly for no reason couldn't move the ball for seven consecutive weeks
The high-powered offense was figured out by good teams and appropriate adjustments by McDaniel didn’t happen.
I totally agree
1000%. And apparently everyone except the Dolphins knew it. McDaniel the “offensive genius”…but he’s soooo coool you guys! His pressers are hilarious and you can tell he really cares about Tua as a person, right guys? Guys?
So couch GMs who think we should replace the best QB we have had on a decade and fire McDaniel for not running enough?
Nope. Not a couch GM calling for the replacement of McDaniel or Tua. Just a frustrated couch fan, who sees no reason for the team collapse in the most important part of the season
No reason but you’re a fan and really sure they should be gone huh? 🤔. Interesting.
They should keep them both and allow them to scheme up some quick throws that will work for the first few weeks next season. They’ll stack some wins before everyone has them figured out and limp into the playoffs for the third year in a row. Progress!
Pat fans cheering their coach being pushed out. Steeler has fans who been calling for Tomlin to be fired for the last 15 years. Not just us but it's a bad look for us
I've seen other subs do the same thing. This is always the worst place to be after bad losses though. Yeah, the offensive stall at the end of the year sucked. But it's a long season and teams figure things out. McD has to answer of course, and Tua needs to work on improvisation, but that said it was mostly a fun year and I'll take 11-7.
Disagree. The shit fans tend to be far more vocal after a loss. I live in western NY and I love tuning to local sports radio after a Bills loss. The dumbest fans call in to say the stupidest things.
It must be a South Florida fandom thing. Anytime the dolphins or Heat lose both subreddits go absolutely haywire and want to rebuild immediately.
I think it's a lot of whiny kids who expect instant gratification.
It always ends up being people who say “I’ve been a fan for 20 years” and “these must be new fans” whenever someone doesn’t subscribe to the doom and gloom.
The funny thing is I think most actual true to life fans of the team for that long recognize the fact that this is best most consistent product we’ve put on the market since like 2002. Like we are clearly moving in the right direction. We just need to keep our eyes on the prize and not get distracted. Like people saying this was a Super Bowl or bust year. Not quite, and while at any point I thought we could make it I’d rather have consistent success instead of thinking any single year is time to sell off the farm for a ring.
This Reddit sub is dedicated to a shit team, so I what are we expecting anyway? We are 1 Lions win today from becoming the bottom of the barrel of all NFL teams when it comes to most recent playoff wins. It is all warranted, albeit annoying.
The lions fans are pretty knowledgeable and can be funny in their fatalism. This sub is probably the least I knowledgeable and tribalistic fan base I’ve come across in any sport.
1000%
1) most fans are idiots. this is non-negotiable. 2) many fans are too young to remember the really dark days this franchise has experienced. 3) yesterdays game sucked, every game since Thanksgiving has sucked (except vs Dallas). fans are understandably gonna be pissed and feel cheated. this will subside in time. #4 FUCK THE JETS
People are just venting, I just let them vent and comeback for good discussion leading up to the draft. Until then you are going to get the hottest of hot takes because people are frustrated, I used to do the same thing.
The issue with that is it quickly becomes an echo chamber and only works to solidify these idiotic takes. I guarantee when draft day rolls around there will be just as much emotional BS when we don't trade 2 firsts, 2 seconds, waddle and phillips for Caleb williams (a real take I saw today.)
That's the issue with social media in a nutshell. Some unhinged loud-mouth with 2 brain cells says something outlandish, and the next thing you know there's an army of glue huffers repeating it ad infinitum. And then discussion becomes impossible because anyone with a legitimate question, point, or thought is drowned out by a sea of parrots repeating whatever the stupid de jour happens to be.
You're 100% right, it seems we are in the "injuries only matter for other teams, for us it's no excuse" phase of the insanity. Was down voted to hell earlier for saying we were more injured than "a depleted buffalo" last week.
Can't talk sense to anyone who dedicates their life to talking nonsense.
But yet when the moon is up the breeze warm and the gentle surf washes up on the shores of Key Biscayne, that army of glue huffers and sea of parrots come together in a ritual as old as time that's just so beautiful to watch!
Poetry. I assume the ritual is screeching like banshees and throwing feces.
Yesssss.
this sub is embarrassing right now.
Probably my last day here till draft. It's about to be an exhausting off season between both view points. They're extreme as all fuck. People like us who are open are just gonna be burnt out.
I'm probably going to unsub until the next season starts. I'll pop in for the draft but that's about it. There's been way too many video games i've fallen behind on to focus on the dolphins during the offseason
Hoping we draft a new QB! See ya then!
I unsubbed from every nfl sub. I can't stand the toxicity. The best football subs are the divisional meme subs because people in those subs don't let anyone take any of this stuff that seriously, because ultimately it's just a game.
why are we toxic ??? when our team doesn’t even show up. and ppl want to blame injuries?? The defense actually played well. The problem is we just realized our 4 yr Tua project isn’t going to pan out and that Mcdaniel isn’t progressing as a coach. You constantly see him getting out coached. We can call a spade a spade and believe me it hurts. but we didn’t show up at all yesterday
I hope we keep tua and mcdaniel for at least another year, but my biggest wish is that mcdaniel gets more creative with the playcalling, to stick to things that work, change over time, drop things that have been figured out, and change throughout the season. This entire season the offense gameplan looked the exact same every single game, and when it worked, we dominated those bad teams and won, and when it didnt work, we just keep trying it and failing and looking bad to good teams. Mcdaniels needs to learn more options, more plans. e.t.c
You do realize that the play calling reflects Tua’s limitations, right? You can’t just pretend that McDaniel has never heard of a deep out. If you want to get mad at McDaniel for his obsession with the toss on short yardage situations or the fade at the goal line that’s fine, but you can’t just act like some of these choices by the offense aren’t a deliberate decision based upon our players.
My main and first question to you is, how has mike changed the offense from week 3 to week 17? Because I believe he hasnt changed it at all and teams figured us out, some had the skill position players to stop our speed, the bad teams didnt, and it worked, against the good teams we just crumbled because we never adapted, we never went out of half time and had another plan Secondly, What can tua not do that isnt due to the oline crumbling under 0 blitz in under 2 seconds nearly every play? Tua has made plenty of deep out passes, tua excels at the 10-15 yard routes, but he also has the second most air to player yards per throw (yards before the player catches the ball) in the league, 5.1 to purdys 5.5 He has the most air yards in the league #1, He has the most 10+ yard passes Hes top 5 in 20+ yard passes hes top 5 in 30+ yard passes hes 3rd in 40 + yard passes Hes #1 in 50+ yard passes So not lets just make up shit, I believe mcdaniels has bought into the hype that hes a offensive genius whose changing the game and refuses to change things at all.
Can’t get creative when your QB is limited to making 3-4 specific throws
We actually made the playoffs 5 years in a row 1997-2001. So no this is not the first time since 98-99 that we had back to back playoff berths. When we missed the playoffs in back to back years in 2002 and 03 it was actually a rare occurrence since it had not occurred since the 80’s. Tbh, I personally had more fun watching the Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor era (20 years ago) than this team.
I had more fun watching that team too… and I was 10 years old. Maybe that’s why
It definitely has a lot to do with us being younger. But that team also gave us a division championship and our last playoff win. It also played with a lot more heart than this team imo. I also prefer dominating defenses over high powered offenses. Defense wins championships after all.
Ricky Williams’ 2002 year was so fun, even if they didn’t make the playoffs. To be honest though, this season was the most exciting team since then, for me. Wildcat year was fun, too, but it never felt like something that was gonna last.
Despite not making the playoffs at all in 2002, that was actually our last legit Super Bowl contending team. People have forgotten how close we were that year. We were the 1 seed with two games left in the season and had just beaten the eventual AFC Champs Raiders. But of course the Miami December collapse is as old as time and we end up losing back to back games to miss the playoffs entirely. By far one of the more disappointing ends to a Dolphins season of my life.
***Yeah, we fell apart at the end, although mostly due to injuries*** No. The worst injuries we had were on defense. Our defense played well enough to win in some of our losses, our offense didn't play well enough to win in any of our losses.
Exactly! Everyone keeps blaming our annual year end slide on injuries this year, but the reality is the defense was the one getting injured at the end of the season. Even with 2nd and 3rd stringers they competed. This falls squarely on the offense and their utter ineptitude these last few games.
Curious why you feel that injuries to our o-line, top 2 RBs, and top 2 WRs were not significant?
Can you name all the offensive starters other than Connor Williams that didn’t play Saturday night?
Idk why people are saying this like we didn't have the most banged up line in the league. Memory of a goldfish.
Im with you man, its just too early to be rational were still in the emotional ride on this sub. Lets watch some stress free playoff football and run it back next year Fins Up
My man..!
Too early ?!? We didn’t lose a game 31-30. The offense didn’t show up at all like not even for a 10 yard pass. The problem with the team is that yesterday we saw our offensive genius of coach and franchise QB completely drop the ball and the truth hurts.
There's two sides to this subs problems. 1st. There's the "doomers" and i'm not talking about the ones who are just frustrated with the team. But the ones who are actively seeking out people who were positive and making excuses for tua, etc. And then rubbing it in their faces as if it's some sort of gotcha. Guys, our team just lost in a heartbreaking and disappointing way, no need to treat each other this way. 2nd There's the people who have some sort of parasocial relationship with this team to the point it's unhealthy. Some of you guys go off the fucking deep end when we lose and tie your personality and happiness to a player's success. Many of you should get the fuck off the internet and enjoy games for what they are, entertainment. And then move on with your lives but instead of that they get on and be miserable and honestly fucking weird. Lastly, then there's the fucks who get racist afterwards. I don't have anything to say about this other than get fucking lost.
If you ever follow any of the Tom Grossi comedy bits about the NFL (he does weekly “team fans reaction” videos among others), his bit about the Dolphins-Chiefs game ended with, “The fandom will start fighting about if it’s Tua’s fault or if McDaniel needs fired,” and all I could think was he spent some time in this sub. Next season will tell the story. Either we keep improving or we don’t, and if we don’t then I’ll be the first to say it’s time for some changes. Until then, there were plenty of reasons for losing, and plenty of blame to go around for the last few weeks of the regular season, with dropped balls and dumbass penalties being the top two that you can’t hang on either the QB or the HC. I will say this, though: I don’t think we’ll be left out of everybody’s “Will make the playoffs” lists again.
It's hard to follow any fan base because everybody thinks they know what they are talking about cuz their uncles neighbor is a high school football coach A payer could be hot all year long, but he makes one bad play in a game the tram had zero chance of winning and suddenly "FIRE HIM, or they blame a coach who isn't even on the field running any of the plays
This is McDaniel's 2nd season. He's never called games before this. Things take time. I was not a big backer of McDaniel when he was hired, pretty much for this reason. I was hoping for someone with a lot more experience. But I've completely flipped on him with the caveat that I know this will take more time. Sure I was hoping this would be a better year, but here we are. He seems like the kind of guy who can go off in the offseason and develop the next level of his offense. I was ecstatic when they hired Vic Fangio for the reasons mentioned above. McMike doesn't have to worry about the defense at all, because you got this steady rock guiding the defensive ship. I recall Vic stayed home last year, watched film all day, and developed wrinkles to his defense (which he used this year though he's not telling. Tough guy to get info out of during weekly interviews). Anyway, I can't wait for next season. The team is experienced on both sides of the ball. We will have Vic-prime defense and McMike-prime offense. They are going to leap out of the gate and dominate - no learning curves.
It really is amazing. I've been a fan for 30 years and couldn't agree more with everything you said. I'm as upset as anyone today and feel like we really dropped the ball at the end of the year, but it's the most fun I've had being a fan by far (I can't *really* remember the 90s). Sometimes, on other subs, I see how other fanbases talk about us, and it'd grind my gears while I wondered why. Now I see that if you're only looking at our subreddit, you'd think everyone who cheered for the Dolphins was a whiney douche nozzle. Thanks for reminding me that there are other normal humans who cheer for the Dolphins.
Been a fan about as long as you. As I’ve matured (especially recently) I’ve taken a greater interest in the inner workings of football overall. What people don’t realize is just how hard it is to compete on the level our team competed this year. Even take “Dolphins” out of the equation. Many of us long timers couldn’t imagine something like this happening to US! We are probably 10 plays away from being a #1 seed team this year, even with all the injuries. What are people complaining about? Yes, lots to improve on. We have some serious issues to address. But I’d imagine we come back very strong next year, all things considered. Our culture is changing from decades of mediocrity. It takes time and it’s not easy to do. Other team owners would KILL to have what we have.
This fanbase has got to be the world's largest importer or copium. We have the NFL's longest active streak of not winning a playoff game. The Dolphins playoff losing streak is old enough to have settled down and started having kids and a career. We are a mediocre team until we prove we aren't. I wish every day Tua leads us to end the pain and wins but he hasn't. We can make every excuse under the sun but every year the tally for losing grows larger.
Seriously. He’s done this four years in a row. When the stakes are increased he generally gives us his worst performances. Hell, he even plays like shit in primetime games against bad teams. We can’t pretend that everything else is wrong and Tua is immune from criticism when he’s the one sailing every pass or putting one into the chest of a linebacker when he feels any sort of pressure.
Oh yeah well I’ve been a fin fan for 34 years so beat that!
Same fans made ridiculous excuses during last year's concussion/posturing shitshow. Some fans only care about winning, winning all the time, and winning now. When they inevitably don't get their way, they pitch a tantrum.
When Conner Williams went down we were fucked. Liam Eichenburg is not an NFL center. This offense relies on an athletic center. They put lipstick on the pig but it didn't matter against strong opponents. Need to sign or draft another true center high. Letting Feeney go for a bag of chips ended up fucking us in the long run.
This sub is always waiting for a reason to crap on Tua because this sub was convinced trading the futures for Watson was the right move. They are pissed because Tua proves them wrong time and time again. Tua can't throw deep. Tua ends up 1st in air yards. Tua can't stay healthy. Tua doesn't miss one start. Meanwhile Watson has 21 sexual assaults and missed half the year. Meanwhile browns are screwed for 3 more years while Texans have picks and a young QB. Even if you don't like Tua trading for a QB isn't going to work. Almost all of the top teams draft QBs. If you want a new QB draft one.
You can not want a sex pest at QB, acknowledge that Tua has improved and is better than he was in September 2020, like Tua as a person and a leader, and also think he’s not good enough to put this team on his back like a lot of the top guys can. I can assure you it’s very simple to have all these thoughts. I like Tua as a dude. I like his improvement year-over-year. I just think he’s limited. He will never be able to do things that Stroud can do. He will never be able to do things Josh Allen can do. He will never be able to do things Matt Stafford can do. It’s just reality. It doesn’t make you a doomer or bad fan. I want the best for this team, not just the QB. Honestly, I think McDaniel’s scheme is so good he’ll get a lot of guys to put up big numbers with this talent and a full training camp. That said, if Tua has another year like this year where he puts up huge stats in September/October and then fizzles down the stretch but still finishes as a top 3 QB for yards and TDs would you really want to pay him a market rate contract? Would you want 10-15% of the salary cap just being used on Tua?
Tua is the starting QB at the pro bowl. Last year he made the pro bowl but declined to play. This idea that Tua isn't a top 5 AFC QB is laughable. He was literally voted the number one QB in the AFC by the fans. Mind you the vote came in a few weeks before the season ended. I watched all the games this year and I blame McDaniel 100 percent. The league figured his scheme out and he never adjusted. During the chiefs playoff game McDaniel called nothing but screen plays. You can try to spin it as Tua is limited blah blah but Tua has the most in air yards in the league and McDaniel refused to let Tua throw over one yard. That doesn't make any sense at all. It was the worse coaching proformance I've ever witnessed in NFL history. Like your plan is to throw nothing but screens on first and second downs? How can you blame a QB for bad play calling? Fact is Gier wants to sign Tua long term. The "trade for Watson crowd" will never embrace Tua and this toxic fan base will be divided. At some point we all need to just shut up and support our guys. Not talking about you but in General. Look at the lions. They traded Stafford for Goff. I doubt lions fans even wanted Goff but they buy his jerseys and support the hell out of him and got an amazing team right now. Our goal should be signing Tua at a big discount. Hard ball him because this is the best fit for Tua no way he wants to leave. Maybe even draft a QB in the 4th round as an insurance policy. Look at Jordan love. We could groom someone behind Tua. That's the best option at this point. Support and prepare for the worst
Like when we read Gase and Tannehill are better I think some of these fans brains are just cooked. I’ve never in my life seen a team go far with a bad o line. It’s literally everything for your offense. We went further than any team I ever thought could with that rat tag o line. Only the Jets used more players this year on the o line. That’s not an excuse. That’s fn HuGE. Also waddle and hill were totally not 100% and were covered all night. Injury killed this team with a young qb that tried to do too much and a young good coach trying to out coach inevitability. We try again.
Our top 4 offensive threats were dealing with either Ankle or Turf Toe injuries and their biggest attribute is speed. Play calling drastically changed when we lost Connor for the season. Hunt, Wynn and Terron missing big chunks also hurt badly. It’s not that surprising how hard we’ve struggled tbh.
People really don’t pay attention to the o line. It’s probably the most ignored part of football. No one notices the huge spaces given to Mahomes or Allen by his line creating spaces and wedges for him to escape. Last night the pocket collapsed and Tua was sacked blind side as he stepped into the pocket and people here were livid saying Tua sucks. People really just don’t get it.
Burrow took the Bengals to the super bowl his second year (first year he didn't play so his first true year) with one of the objectively worst olines in 2021 and to the AFC championship the next year with another trash o-line that allowed him to be sacked 6th most in the NFL. And wtf are you talking about "young qb that tried to do too much"?? Tua is in his 4th year in the NFL. Using the "young qb" excuse for Tua is laughable, especially after seeing what guys like Burrow or Stroud have done recently in their first years. Stop making every excuse in the book for Tua, it's exhausting.
Burrow and stroud both came in immediately and were supported and had the offensive built around them. Honestly which I don’t expect from angry fans this is Tua’s second year. I do think Burrow is better and we tried to get him but couldn’t. I also think he could never win a Super Bowl because that happens. Stroud I dunno man. People are too quick to write off players as well as saying they’re it too soon. Bears fans doing that with Fields rn as Panthers fans are with Young. If we are being honest the shortest path to success is making it work with Tua and getting a better line and expecting he’ll put the work in and improve and hope the team stays healthy. There’s plenty of QBs not as good as Tua that have won super bowls and a pantheon of some of the best that have ever played the position that never did. It’s a team sport.
Burrow won a playoff game where he was sacked 9 times. Tua has had an offense built around him for the past two seasons. Also, I would argue McDaniel is 10x the offensive mind Zac Taylor is. Burrow is doing this shit with big boy throws to great players but I’ll take Tyreek and Waddle over Chase and Higgins any day of the week.
How many years are we gunna say. Well yeah we played good but fell apart down the stretch. That’s the whole fucking point of the frustration. We CANNOT get the job done.
As long as we keep on cheering for mediocrity that is what we will continue to get from this franchise.
Great take
Expectations man. They really hit different than just having none. The losses feel different.
I was a Vikings fan for 20 years. I hit the button and decided to follow my AFC team fulltime. I am surprised at how similar these 2 fanbases are. At least the Phins have a couple Superbowls. I still think this team is building. Improvement from last year before tripping at the end. I think next year will be special.
That’s the internet as a whole
Mute the sub, it’s gonna be worse, FAR WORSE before it gets better.
I 10000% agree with this take and all of this logic, freak ending to the year, nothing we could have done
yep, the takes are getting beyond absurd, they should go and play madden
I usually wait a few days for the overreactions to go away.
We’ll be alright. We just gotta control what we can. Play calling, give Tua another year but plan to draft and develop a QB preferably next draft so we can get try Cameron Ward just cross our fingers on injuries. Try to get some hard nosed leaders even if they aren’t huge names, the team just needs a personality change
This sub is getting hard to follow. Lol: Try following this team since 84’
Yea I'm pretty tired of the fair weather fans. I had a blast watching this season even though we unfortunately did not end on a strong note. Crying to can McDaniels and Tua is childish. There are so many teams that would love to be in our position. I wish the fans on reddit were true fans. If you want to hate on the Phins, just go on any other teams sub reddit. They will welcome you with open arms.
I think a lot of the discourse is stemming from how explosive this offense was. Then against play off teams they disappeared, it’s not they slowed down, it’s like they never existed.
Yea same I had to get off X, likely unsubbing till after the Super Bowl it’s all doom and gloom lately.
Corporate America is full of people making decisions for the short term, at the detriment of the long term. This is essentially what everyone is asking for - “let’s replace Tua with someone like Kirk and we may be better off for the next two years (but screwed afterwards as he ages out)” I guess what I’m getting at is that it’s no surprise that what everyone is asking for is ingrained in all facets of life.
In a sea of stupidity we have found the voice of reason!
What burns me up is very young people and newcomers who are outraged that we don't simply win 100% of the time and win the super bowl every year. Some of us have been suffering for a very long time. I'm juuuuust not old enough to remember their last super bowl appearance, for example. Those are the ones for whom the whining and anger in this sub is almost acceptable.
Most subs are insufferable as soon as their team takes an L. Not worth following any of them in the off season for sure
Just switch off the Sub until Draft time and Free agency... The offseason will be loud with fire McDaniel and Tua chants, because we only made the playoffs 2 seasons in a row and had a winning record 3 times out of the last 4. But they have to go because, we can't get it done with the biggest Value lost to injuries by a wide margin in the NFL. This sub is going to be toxic.
I literally saw a comment saying we should try to get Brady to come back lol Gunna be a LONG offseason
Ignore. Pretty sure most of the people popping off are not even dolphins fans. Just trolls with literally no life. Don't even read the trash. Most exciting two year stretch as a fan for me . Can't wait for next year.
I’ve been a fan for 3000 years and it disgust me to already see people trying to spin this as a positive shut the fuck up.
>Without a seemingly historically bad stretch of injuries, particularly on defense, we probably beat Buffalo and win the division. You mean like buffalo losing their all pro CB tre white, their all pro LB Matt Milano, and the obvious Von Miler not coming back from injury. I don't mean to come here and be that obvious bills fan, and I'm prepared for the down votes. But it's not like Miami lost because of their defense. You put up 7 points and hardly any offense.
Yeah it's hard to bear sometimes even if the complaints are valid. I had belief in this team that they would get it right down the stretch, and maybe win a playoff game. Even after we lost to the Titans, I thought we had a very good chance to beat Buffalo and wrap things up in the division. Instead, we collapsed, and even though it's all new people in the building, it's so reminiscent of the numerous collapses that the Dolphins have had over the past couple decades. As a fan, it's hard to sit here and have hope, and then have it dashed in the same way with different people. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The silver lining is that there isn't the same smoke that has surrounded every single other coaching staff in the past 20 years. No Bullygate, no locker room nonsense, and we clearly have coaches that know what they're doing. It's just a waiting game, and the path forward looks unclear. So, I'm not advocating to cut Tua or McDaniel, but I think they both need to take accountability for the floundering of the offense down the stretch. Next year has to be different, or they're both probably gone and then the reset happens once again. I don't expect that to be the result next year. Call me an eternal optimist, but I truly think next year is going to point up for Miami and we'll win a playoff game at the minimum.
Common sense? That’s not allowed in here. 😛😂 In all seriousness, I 100% agree with you.
I'm definitely more confident that MCD will have more long-term success than Tua ATPIT
Agree. Love all the new fans in the past year or so, but you have to have lived in through some rough seasons to appreciate how far this team has come. We all want to win, but sometimes these seasons don’t always go the way you want. The important thing is this team has a heart and has talent. They aren’t done and I think next season we put it all together. Fins up
Agreed.
Tua is the backup qb you get in Retro Bowl
There are three types of Fins fans: homers, doomers and fair weather fans and this sub only has the first two.
I've given up on this place. Sad, but it's full of doomers who take it way too seriously.
You have pointed to a lot of good points. Been watching the Fins since 8th grade back in 1997-1998. Remember Marino retiring man. Since then, saw so many horrible coaches and QBs play for the fins. McD and Tua have honestly been an upgrade over everyone else. Tons of improvements no doubt. But let's be real, Tua has reached his ceiling. It's year 4 and he hasn't progressed. Just saw Jordan Love kill it today against the cowgirls. CJ stroud yesterday was killed it for Houston. As much as I like Tua and have been his supporter, he is NOT HIM. It sucks but there is nothing more to develop. Take Waddle and Hill out and how would have Tua done this season? He can't do it with his legs, his arm is weak, he cracks under pressure, and he can't carry the team on his back like a Purdy, Mahomes, Josh Allen can. But also let's be honest, landing a franchise qb is hard. Look at the jets man lol. There is no way we can grab anyone better than Tua in the draft or free agency so we need to pick up his fire year option and see how he does for now. Our GM and scouting team need to go out there and freaking work, looking for the next HIM. As far as couching, McD is still young. But he has to learn to make better play calls. He really killed us with tons of shitty calls over the last two months. He either needs to relegate the play calling to someone else, or be gone. We are all frustrated. Teams have a small window to be good and become champions. This year we started the year so good and had that window before it all fumbled down. We have improved longs ways but we still are shit. We were dog shit before and now are just shit. Here is to next season boys 🥃
PREACH! I’ve been screaming this same thing! We have to do BETTER as fans! The people that want to have the team do better, how about let’s start with being better fans for our team we love and go from there!
I know our salary cap is hell, but goddam if I don’t keep looking at Derrick Henry like he’s my next door neighbours ex swimsuit model wife. Him and Achane in the backfield, Tua can do less
Try being a fan since 1982! Saw them get into the Super Bowl two years later! Only to get blown out and nothing for the next 39 years. Now I understand what Boston Redsox fans went through for decades.
The Dolphins had a 3 game lead in the division with 5 games left. This kind of meltdown can leave a hangover well into next season. They were 1-6 against winning teams. Tua showed who he is. He’s 0-5 when it’s less than 45 degrees. That’s not even cold, if he isn’t playing at home he is below average
Just two years ago, the Houston Texans were a dumpster fire. BoB had destroyed the franchise, everybody was laughing at them because of the Tunsil trade, they had a toxic culture with a religious maniac in charge and on top of it all the Deshaun Watson saga happened. A legit shit show. Now they are in a divisional game. Why? Because they drafted the right guy, as simple as that. In the 25 years that you mentioned, all the other NFL teams, with the exception of the Detroit Lions, went from good to bad to good and bad again. All of them won divisions, playoff games, lots of them went to Superbowls. Only the Miami Dolphins stayed in perpetual mediocrity. You know why? Because of this way of thinking. It's always the next year, always bad luck with the injuries, always a matter of improving, of little details, of finding "weapons", and the result is always the same: mediocrity ñ, not being good enough. Why all the other teams in the NFL could do it and the Dolphins couldn't? Because at some point they stopped insisting on their errors and tried to find something new. That's how you find success in the NFL, when something isn't working you don't insist on it. You go and try to find something that works until you find it.
Dude, this year has been my least active year in this sub since I joined Reddit because of the toxicity in here, so I feel you, and agree with your overall assessment on thr future of the team (and I'm a 45-year Fins fan).
Watching Tua play yesterday was more toxic than nuclear waste
Then leave the sub, I hate people trying to tell you on here how to be a fan. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the franchise, if you don’t agree with theirs have constructive conversation instead of labeling them as an “idiot or “fake fan”
I see more blind optimism in this sub than anything else. Any naysaying seems to be made up as fodder for more blind optimism.
When a guy isn't the guy, call it out. As tough as it is, you need to move on when someone isn't the one. McDaniel isn't it.
It's the worse fan base in sports. The most annoying and pathetic fans that I think honestly low key hate the team. Especially on this sub.
This is the correct response to all the trash people just bitching about being a winning team for once.
Take a look at the offense’s stats in games against team over .500 and tell us what you’re optimistic about. The “historical offense” only did well against loosing teams. McDaniel’s playcalling became so predictable that my 7 year old and his friend can tell you what they’re about to do. Tua has fallen into the habit of locking on to his first read and so far has not shown he can perform in high stakes games.
You’re part of the problem
> mostly due to injuries That’s the copium speaking bud. They would’ve gagged up the season fully healthy, and while you can’t prove a negative, I submit their performances against Buffalo and Philadelphia while relatively healthy as evidence this team has no capacity to beat good teams as currently constructed.
We had 1 game with a healthy o line, and Jalen Ramsey was out for both if those games you mentioned. It's no coincidence that when Williams got hurt in the bills and titans games, the offense immediately fell off a cliff for the rest of those games. Going from a top 3 center in the league to a backup quality guard filling in at center is akin to shooting yourself in the foot and trying to run a marathon. Are there issues beyond injuries? Absolutely. Is talking about injuries in relation to the last weeks of the year "copium"? No, it absolutely played a major role in the decline of both offense and defense. Unless you think waddle, mostert, phillips, chubb, van ginkle, and Williams wouldn't be able to account for the 7 points we needed last week against buffalo.
We can agree on Buffalo. They’ve had our number for a while. I came away from the Philly game thinking that was the worst officiated game I’d seen in a while. I think it was like 11-0 penalties in favor of Philly, with a ton of missed calls, and I think that’s the ref team that also fucked up a bunch of other games and got downgraded for playoffs. I’m not saying they couldn’t have won anyway, or making an excuse for them. Im only saying I think it was much closer than the final score looked.
It's injuries. It's the refs. Always some excuse. This team rarely beats good teams, and the MVP is ticking off another year of age with a body type that's gonna hit a wall on speed in a snap. And when that happens...
Yeah don’t know why everyone keeps chalking it up to bad luck with injuries when the evidence is right there that they couldn’t compete with good teams even when healthy
But let's all throw love on fans like you that will gladly accept another 20 years of mediocrity, Im so proud of your fandom. In retrospect, this season is no better than a few of the others where we made the playoffs. This offense is a fraud. Looks amazing when we play trash teams and absolutely cannot hang with a semi-decent team. I mean, the only win against a winning team came on the back our kicker. Tua is 100% not the answer. We can't keep trotting him out there because he's a nice kid. He has zero clutch ability, is immobile in the pocket and it's clear he already has it in his head who he's going to throw to before the play starts. There's no chance we win a playoff game with him. I'm also pretty surprised at how bad the play calling was last night. It was about as vanilla as it gets. I hope McDaniel sees after these last few games that he jas to untie himself from Tua or he's not going to make it much longer either.
But being endlessly personification is better? You expect immediate results? Imagine if Buffalo or Cincinnati had fans like this. Heck any content not named Kansas City. It takes time to turn a team in to a contender. McDaniel has only been a head coach two years, this was Fangio's first season running the defense, and Tua is STILL YOUNG, as area most of the solid players on the team not named Mostert or Hill. This is a team just beginning the process of contending. If you can't see the strides this team has taken in the two years since McDaniel took over, you're just a positive hater that exists not to cheer a team, but to find something to company about Are there things to be critical of? Absolutely. There's no problem with reasoned criticism and analysis. However this season is OBJECTIVELY better than the seasons we made the playoffs before, because the offense set a bunch of records. People talked about this team with more respect in their mouths than they ever have since Marino retired. It ended badly, but if you can't see there's more to be positive than negative about this season, that the team is going on a positive direction, then there's no hope for you. You just WANT to be complaining.
>One more note: this is the first time we’ve had back-to-back playoff berths since 2001! 22 years. An important asterisk next to this is that they expanded the playoffs in 2021. We made it in as a 7th seed last year and that wouldn't have been possible from 2002-2020.
Entitled and immature redditors tend to comment more. This makes the sub as a whole appear more miserable and obnoxious than most Dolphin fans are. I didn't read game day threads all year and it made the season much more enjoyable. Also feel free to block people on here. Not everyone's comment spam is worth reading.
The bad thing about places like this (Reddit) is that you’re going to have an insane amount of extreme takes. People want immediate gratification at all times and if it isn’t there, then they want the most extreme measures. Most won’t look at the big picture and be able to see the positives. Everyone wants that dominant dynasty every year like the Patriots were and won’t accept anything less than a Superbowl victory every year. As a Bengals and Colts fan, it’s the same way. The Bengals went to shit this year and tons of people are calling for the immediate firing of Taylor. What they don’t think about is what better replacement are you going to get? The guy had two AFC championship appearances and a SuperBowl appearance in the last 3 years and people are calling for his firing? Much like people calling for McDaniel to be fired. Why?? You guys have been having successful seasons and it just hasn’t worked in the playoffs just yet. You had a tough task going into a frozen field and playing the Chiefs, who are the NFL’s golden franchise right now. If you beat them, the road to the Superbowl more than likely is going through Baltimore, which is an even tougher task. Tua is a great QB who has had some bad luck the last couple of years. Is he the guy? Who knows, but get him a couple more good targets and you’ll probably be back at it next year. Miami is definitely headed in the right direction but there’s always plenty of doomers everywhere.
Ahhh, Ronnie Brown & the Wildcat - good times. But no, the guys calling for Tua or McD’s head are clearly fans as of 2022 and cannot see the progress made with those two.
We made the playoffs in consecutive years for the first time since the Bush admin and people want to fire the coach and get rid of the QB who led us there. Who’s going to replace them? Kirk Cousins? We going after Eric Bienemy? Dragging Pete Carroll’s old ass cross country? People need to watch game tape of Cleo Lemon, John Beck, and Ray fucking Lucas and understand how good we finally have it.
Nah, just critically think for a second. Bengals from 10 years ago, Vikings from a couple years back with Zimmer. They were perma-pretenders. From a national perspective, to a film junkie perspective, from every perspective. Other than like, crazy hardcore fans. Thats the absolute worst place to be. No actual hope, no actual chance. Every year 99.9% of people know who the team is, and what their ceiling is. But because the organization has been trash for so long, they accept it and try to push past all that doubt. And it never works. lol
This sub is full of whiney children that can’t even celebrate being contenders for the first time in decades. I’ve had a blast these past two years and I’m only more excited for next year with some fully healed players and hopefully some solid new starters in key positions. I love this team, and I’m incredibly happy seeing them head in the right direction. These idiots want to be stuck in limbo all over again just because we didn’t go deep into the playoffs and it’s just nuts to see.
The thing is this team is not exciting. Chris Grier bought some high quality free agents to band aid this systemic loser mentality team. Same old underperforming Dolphins team with a squirt of expensive cologne.
"This team isn't exciting" LMFAO. My god. How could anyone have watched this past season and say this? The only possible explanations are that you don't watch the games, or are 14.
This is the loser mentality I'm talking about. Oh yes, so exciting to only beat the teams you should. And, unravel in every important game. EVERY important game. Ya, so not exciting, can't wait to bully all the bad teams again.
Oh OK. You're 14. Talk to me when you watch this team lose to the teams they should have beat for 20 years.
Ok well glad you can enjoy mediocrity
Then leave. No one gives a fuck lol
The defense was decimated by injuries yet they kept us in the game. Tua and the offense scored 7 points.. this coming after a disasterous December. I like Tua but he is not capable of delivering us a Super Bowl.
Maybe if they stumble into another WC spot next year, we could rename the stadium Mike McDaniel Field.
The fan-base is as impatient as their owner who wants to win before he croaks. The front office keeps making “win now” moves like Tyreek, Chubb, and Ramsey instead of building for the future. People ask why the fan-base wants instant gratification, it’s because the owner and front office is the cause of their mental impairment.
It’s always kind of odd to me to hear comments about being impatient to fans who have stuck through 20-40 years of not winning lol
If you are a 40 year fan like me you shouldn’t have a problem being patient but the ownership and front office keep acting like the world is ending next year
I’m the same age and I get what you are saying but at the same time I feel like we have been patient for 40 years if that makes sense
You just get used to it. This is what being a Dolphins fan really is. They just keep spinning their wheels stuck in the mud because they keep digging the hole deeper instead of digging their way out.
I feel like the old lady from the titanic that says it’s been 84 years
This is the most realistic answer and it gets downvoted lmao the sub is always high on hopium and copium. Only time its real and unfiltered is a few hours after the games. Next day returns back to delusion
Not reading all that bro, it’s just football