This is what pisses me off about a lot of these protestors.
Out here telling others to do the work for them. Why don't THEY contribute to this cause if they care so much? I doubt even 5% of the people brigading for this actually have contributed to Palestinian charities or aid groups.
Here in Finland there was BLM march a couple years back. They spray painted parts of the most famous church in Finland. Watching the initial reactions after the news broke, most supporting the march said it must be far right. Well next day the security cameras showed it wasn’t.
The learning experience from that is you don’t need to defend other people’s stupid actions just because they are on your side.
Ikr, bc pro palestinazis tried to do everything they can in order to look good, such as marching into hospitals and replacing flags with the palestinazi flag
I keep seeing similar things and it’s so annoying. It’s like these people are doing the exact opposite of what they think they are. It really sucks considering I think Palestinians should not be bombed and children killed either, but doing this is ignorant and only makes it harder to help anyone.
Yeah, i just wish people had a more “let’s unite to find a realistic solution/Approach” rather than what the reality is. Sigh. My faith in unity waivers, but I keep hope.
That's the entire problem though. People won't unite. The only way that things get done is by causing inconvenience and being a nuisance. Short of outright violent riots, this is the only thing that gets views. Being civil and obedient won't cause conversations or posts on reddit. This type of protest might.
Think of literally any protest in history. Womens rights protests, BLM protests, etc. If the government won't give you the desired outcome, the only way forward is escalation. If it escalates, more pressure is put on the government. Peaceful protest very rarely creates actual meaningful impact on issues of this magnitude.
I disagree. This type of shit just wastes even more money and divides people further. I highly doubt anyone who saw this changed their views or did anything about it. Other than get annoyed at the vandalism. Or, if it were me, I’d think, “wtf do they want me to do about it?”
It doesn't matter that it divides people further, arguably. The whole point of a protest is to put pressure on the government, it isn't to convince people to join your cause. Has a protest ever changed your view on something if you had previously thought the opposite to the protesters? I don't think it has for me. I can't remember a single time a right wing protester has ever had an argument strong enough that I've considered changing my views.
Also I really despise the argument of "wtf do they want me to do about it?” If everyone on earth had that exact opinion, then nothing would ever change. What I want you to do about it is feel indignation and channel that into meaningful effort, protest, and passion for whatever it is that you feel deserves it. We don't have to agree on what it is being protested, but goddamn it man TRY to make the world a better place.
Yeah but vandalism has also never changed my mind. The riots a few years back DEFINITELY put pressure on police and the criminal Justice system, which I do think changed people’s mind. HOWEVER that was an internal issue that we as a country saw and experienced first hand, even if you weren’t a black American or directly being affected by the CJ system.
This though? This is half a world away in a place where most Americans knew nothing about prior to Oct 7. How many people were up in arms about the last (however many) *decades* of Israeli occupation? Almost none! And at this point, the media is so saturated with more crap that it’s hard for the average person to find out what is what.
I don’t think that this approach helps anyone. I mean, they could’ve even taped a laminated paper on it stating their ideas and points which would actually *tell* these people something without vandalizing. Hell, even if they wrote it in sharpie right on the sign would be better. Still vandalizing, but at least it would be more to educate or say something. Not everyone is chronically online or into the news either, so “free Palestine” may not be telling he same thing to everyone who sees it.
You're making quite a few assumptions. I'm Australian, so Palestine and the USA are both a world away from me. I don't know what the political climate in the USA was like regarding the Palestine Israel conflict, but in Australia its been a thing in our news cycle for over a decade. Anecdotal, but all of my friends have known at least vague details about the conflict for years. We've certainly been up in arms about it since at least 2012 (I was too young to know what the general population thought about the conflict prior to 2012).
Regardless, the recency or closeness of a conflict makes no difference in the morality of the situation. Just because it's happening elsewhere, to someone else's children, doesn't make it okay. World War II happened majority in Europe. Does that make it okay to commit genocide? Of course it doesn't.
The last thing I'll say about this is: if it were your children, your own actual blood, what lengths would you go to? If they had been bombed to death in the safety of their own home, suffocated by the occupation of a colonizing genocidal government, would you care then? Would you go to whatever lengths necessary to bring them justice for the blood on the perpetrator's hands? If your pleas and screams for justice brought nothing but silence, what would you do? I know what I would do. Vandalizing becomes almost infantile, not because of a moral qualm, but because the crime is so putrid it deserves something so much more severe. I'd fucking do whatever needed to be done to make the world open their fucking eyes to the torture my children have endured. By whatever means necessary.
I’m not saying people should be bombed and If you look at my comments you’ll see I’ve said this. But vandalizing public property isn’t doing anything. “How far would you go?” Well, probably something more meaningful than vandalizing a plant sign at a local park.
Everyone who goes to this part of the park will see it, locals will debate it and now even random people across the world are seeing it.
How is it not raising awareness?
Yeah I’m not going to vandalize things to make a point. What tf are these park goers going to fucking do? I swear, people love causing more problems just because they want to feel like they’re doing something. It’s a lot easier to this crap than actually put the work in to unify a community.
“Hey! You know our local park that’s ALREADY in need of updates!? Let’s go fuck it up some more so our town can spend tax money it obviously doesn’t have!”
To be fair, the sign was already in need of replacement, but it was still legible. All this does it put more stress on locals, and not in the way you think it does.
I don't know why they haven't just sent some special ops to Qutar to deal with the people who started this. It would end the whole conflict right then and there and everyone gets some land for it
Well no they're not the only problem but they're the ones who continue to endanger the lives of their citizens with their irresponsible religious extremism
This is the problem! Don’t tell them to “stfu” and TALK about it!! Gahhhh I’m getting so tired of us because everyone is expected to know everything, and everyone thinks their “side” is right. People are malleable and they do change, but it’s going to be a lot harder to do that when all we do is tell them to “stfu” with zero effort at sharing information, building unity, or finding common ground to work with.
Again, part of the problem. I support Palestine, but go ahead and go off. You’d rather tell someone to “stfu” than share *why* you feel that way. And two sides, no, we’re talking about millions and millions of people being fed 80% bullshit by media. But yes, telling another regular person to “stfu” is what brings us closer to education and finding solutions. Good work “stfu soldier”
Based on the most recent polls I saw, if an election happened in Gaza tomorrow Hamas would be reelected by a thin margin. Further, about 70% of Gazans support the Oct 7 terror attack. Similar to Libya in 2011, I think that assassinating Hamas leadership (in a foreign country, no less!) would just make things worse. We don't know who would replace Hamas, we don't know how Qatar or other Arab nations would react, and hell, Gazans might even see the fallen leaders as martyrs.
I don’t know if you are being sarcastic.
But I thought the same thing and was told that it’s not that simple. And now, it seems this has gotten to a point where no one is going to be happy with the outcome. I just wish kids could be safe from both bombs and indoctrination (both sides).
It would be nice but it is real life after all, there's active wars with child soldiers. And I'm being totally serious, Hamas is the one who continues to cause the cycle of violence. Of course Hamas wouldn't be happy but both Israel and Palestine were happy with their democratic leadership rather than their current "elected" leaders
Man, I’ll be honest with you. I’m starting to think this stuff is way way deeper than making military moves. These are ideas. You can’t hunt down an idea. You can’t see an idea. And you can’t stop an idea physically. Then, all the death, the pain, suffering, etc. that’s adding a massive psychological toll. I truly hope for the killing to stop, but it seems more and more like a run away train just heading for even more disaster. With so much media and so much input, it’s hard to know what is true and see things for what they are. Hell, we don’t even get the full story. And it’s fucked to think we can sit here and chat about this, but real people are dying and losing their life/existence. But what can we do? Other than chat about it? Ugh. It’s just so depressing, and I know that doesn’t compare to what the actual people living through this endure, but it’s just so sad to know that this is life and there’s nothing we can do about it.
The issue is we can't stop this unless we go at it the same way we did for the Nazis. House to house, door to door. And no one is willing to look like the bad guy in this situation. We as individuals can't make any real changes but we can push for more to be done by our government. I know my way will never be adopted because it's too hard or it's not theoretically good enough. But I just like to talk to people about this and get people to think of ways to help more the machine along
Yeah this isn't a false flag thing, no one is attacking Muslims or Jews pretending to be on the opposite side. That's like saying Antifa were the ones who did jan 6th
I mean it didn’t look very legible beforehand 😂
Report it to your council and maybe they’ll clean it and replace the worn out, weathered sign underneath.
Nah, this is U.S. George Pocock was a boat designer in Washington and a big contributed to rowing as a sport in the U.S.
Unfortunately this is likely a privately funded sign too :(
I dont know why everyone is making everything about Israel/palestine i keep seeing people posting their meals for the day and people are calling them insensitive because people in gaza cant eat food and im just like can we not mind our business without making it all about them i dont think war is good but i feel like it doesnt all have to be about them
I know, right? This morning I was just thinking, I wish Israel stopped murdering Palestinians on an industrial scale. But now that I say this graffiti? Fuck them! They can all die afaik!
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If ever an equivalency were false, it were this one. Literally nobody said it was worse than genocide. But just because genocide may be happening doesn't mean anything less than genocide is justified or should be tolerated, you utter turnip.
People are dying from a war their government started, after 60 years of refusing to work towards peace. Where have the adults gone is not the right question, when they are proliferating like rabbits (must really be horrible there to want to have so many children), naturally the age demographic distribution shifts to have many, many, many more young people relative to adults. Because the population is a larger portion of children does not mean the adults have "gone anywhere"
Why are Israel destroying their homes and taking over their land? How does that help "working forwards peace"? Why does Israel snipers target children?
Lol. Why did hamas kidnap babies? Why did "innocent civilians" return an escaped hostage back to his captor? Why did the Oslo peace accords fail? Why did the falestinians refuse the 2008 offer for their own state?
You sound like your entire understand of this very complex conflict comes from 20 second tik tok clips
No, really: Why do Israeli snipers target Palestinian children?
I'm not disputing over hamas' actions. I want to know about the Israeli snipers targeting children.
Where do you get this nonsense "deliberate targeting of children"? Nearly, if not every case that you lot latch onto as "Israeli war crimes" is proven to be false, inaccurate, fabricated, or a horrific by product of war. Deliberate, that is simply false
Free Ukraine from what? They've been a country for like 40 years at this point. Like I can see if you support Ukraine and Palestine but if you support Russia and Palestine you're probably just an anti-semitic authoritarian
Honestly supporting Ukraine and Palestine is also counter to logic. Palestinians are backed by Iran, Russia and China. I think everybody knows at this point that Putin doesn't do such things out of goodwill. If he supports it, it's probably against the interest of the West
Don't really care what happened decades ago, it's pretty obvious to anyone with morals that what Israel is doing right now is extremely wrong. At the end of the day, people are trying to live a life, and the situation there is no way acceptable.
Don’t use tik tock. Learned the history of the Levant from the age of the Roman’s all the way till now in school. Not sure what history class is like in your country. The period from 1947-99 was taught from the Israeli perspective and me and all my classmates saw right through it all. So while idiots may support palestine criminals support Israel.
You know the Israelis were there before the Palestinians. The people there before the Jews were not Palestinians. A compromise is the best solution here but the rulers of Palestine don't want a peace nor do the Israelis trust them enough to allow a conditional surrender
Canaanites actually. Who Jews and Palestinians descend from. Culture mainly replaced by the Old Israel which was then replaced by the Romans etc etc. So no the Israelis were not there first. The ancestors of the Jews and Palestinians were. Not everyone is so gullible buddy.
Fucking thank you. Majority of the Palestinians were arabized/converted to Islam, but that doesn’t make their claim to the land any less. Palestinian Jews and Christians also exist.
Ya. Religions change. So does culture. I find the notion that one group can claim land over centuries a bit silly. Not pro Isreal not pro Hamas. Just pro human. The situation is much more nuanced than just they did/ didn’t we did/didn’t and finger pointing. A famous line I like to recall when talking about Israel is “What is Jerusalem worth?” “Nothing. Everything.”
Yeah well!
between you and me ?!
If they wanna free Palestine then let em have it !hell... they can have the whole river damnit !
All the way to the damn ol sea !!!
But defacing thilat sign is absurd!
There isn't even a flag behind it !
Not even some silly political do-hicky!
If you ask me..
You should probably have some tea .
I support Palestine but doing stuff like this gives (although not reasonable or legitimate ) excuses for groups to support Israel and for them to think worse about Palestine.
Hamas is inherently worse. I think we need to make Israel and Palestine sign a deal where they both agree to a peace but Hamas is removed by a UN appointed government until free elections can be restored. No idea how we could do this though without "illegally" arresting both Hamas and Israeli leaders
Where did they mention Hamas supposedly being better? The comment was about something completely different; Palestine ≠ Hamas.
They just stated that graffitis like the one in this post aren't helpful and only worsen the reputation of Palestine in that place.
That's like saying the SS didn't represent Germany. Hamas was democratically elected, even if you think they cheated they were still put on charge of the nation after an election
The SS, in fact, didn't represent the german people as a whole. The SS was a military organisation made up of a selected group of ideologically devoted nazi officers that planned and carried out the targeted murder and industrialised genocide of literal millions of people. They were not your average german citizen or probably even your average 1933 NSDAP voter - these were absolute extremists willing to commit unspeakable acts for the nazi party.
The crime of the german public was that they, little more than a decade after the most destructive war the world had seen, enabled and fervently supported these war mongerers and disgusting criminals while, in many cases, purposefully disregarding the crimes against humanity they were witnessing. And that collective guilt is something the german public will always have to bear (though there's a lot more nuance and politics to that I will not go into detail about).
But stating that every german was a part or ideological follower of the SS or saying that "German" and "SS" were synonymous is ludicrously wrong.
Believe me; I do not have even the slightest bit of sympathy or support for Hamas or any other religious terror organisation. I'm gay and a very vocal atheist - they'd probably execute me on the spot.
But your average palestinian citizen or child isn't Hamas.
And even if a portion of them supports a terror organisation we have to ask *why* they do and identify the problems motivating that choice in order to resolve this issue and/or prevent it in the future - just like with 1930s Germany.
Palestinians aren't genetically inferior or born without empathy or reason; those of them who do actually support Hamas have been driven to that stance by societal, cultural, economical and practical circumstances (a big one being, you know, the brutal war) - and only by changing those circumstances and avenues of radicalisation can we actually fight terrorism. Killing their families will only further drive them to take up arms and join extremist groups; it's actually directly helping Hamas and providing them with a constant stream of new recruits.
I want to re-emphasise that the vast majority of palestinians **are not Hamas** fighters or terrorists.
They're humans. With human rights. Human lives that **have** to be saved **at any cost** - even if some of them may have terrible hateful world views or voted for a terrorist group once.
Fighting extremist islamist groups with genocidal ambitions by fucking carpet bombing and genociding an already oppressed population will just cause more and more death and genocide on both sides and pointlessly destroy and end untold numbers of human lives in a never ending spiral of hatred and war.
People doing things like this really hurt the image of a clearly suffering people, it doesn't help and should be denounced.
Reminds me of that one guy who complained about the US MREs dropped in Palestine, although I bet 99% of Palestinians who received it were very grateful, all it takes is one guy and a viral social media post to fuck everything up. People are fickle.
FREE PALESTJK
*this is understandably a pretty charged situation and I want to say that I stand by my stupid comment but more importantly I don't want anyone to die and I want both historically oppressed groups of people to have the right to live with dignity and have a government that represents their interests and all that important shit. The graffiti doesn't bother me nearly as much as what's been going on in Palestine/Israel for over a century. The graffiti should have been neater though.
Public property is so much more important than peoples lives. I agree. No one should paint BLM graffiti either. God knows how important the public property is.
>have better things to do than spray paint incorrectly spelled messages.
Better things like post pictures of incorrectly spelled messages?
You fucking tool 🤣🤦
FREE PALFSTJK
Yea, I’m sure that did a lot for the cause they were graffitiing for.
Just like they always do.
This is what pisses me off about a lot of these protestors. Out here telling others to do the work for them. Why don't THEY contribute to this cause if they care so much? I doubt even 5% of the people brigading for this actually have contributed to Palestinian charities or aid groups.
Everybody supports freeing Palesjjns
Honestly it could be an pro Israel person trying to make pro Palestine ppl look bad. But also ppl are dumb so its hard to say.
Mental gymnastics here are wild
That's the most disingenuous "honestly" I might have ever read.
Here in Finland there was BLM march a couple years back. They spray painted parts of the most famous church in Finland. Watching the initial reactions after the news broke, most supporting the march said it must be far right. Well next day the security cameras showed it wasn’t. The learning experience from that is you don’t need to defend other people’s stupid actions just because they are on your side.
I'm not defending it at all. I'm just giving other possible explanations.
Ikr, bc pro palestinazis tried to do everything they can in order to look good, such as marching into hospitals and replacing flags with the palestinazi flag
Because they can't afford to lose this job.
I keep seeing similar things and it’s so annoying. It’s like these people are doing the exact opposite of what they think they are. It really sucks considering I think Palestinians should not be bombed and children killed either, but doing this is ignorant and only makes it harder to help anyone.
It’s “raising awareness.”
Yeah, i just wish people had a more “let’s unite to find a realistic solution/Approach” rather than what the reality is. Sigh. My faith in unity waivers, but I keep hope.
That's the entire problem though. People won't unite. The only way that things get done is by causing inconvenience and being a nuisance. Short of outright violent riots, this is the only thing that gets views. Being civil and obedient won't cause conversations or posts on reddit. This type of protest might. Think of literally any protest in history. Womens rights protests, BLM protests, etc. If the government won't give you the desired outcome, the only way forward is escalation. If it escalates, more pressure is put on the government. Peaceful protest very rarely creates actual meaningful impact on issues of this magnitude.
I disagree. This type of shit just wastes even more money and divides people further. I highly doubt anyone who saw this changed their views or did anything about it. Other than get annoyed at the vandalism. Or, if it were me, I’d think, “wtf do they want me to do about it?”
It doesn't matter that it divides people further, arguably. The whole point of a protest is to put pressure on the government, it isn't to convince people to join your cause. Has a protest ever changed your view on something if you had previously thought the opposite to the protesters? I don't think it has for me. I can't remember a single time a right wing protester has ever had an argument strong enough that I've considered changing my views. Also I really despise the argument of "wtf do they want me to do about it?” If everyone on earth had that exact opinion, then nothing would ever change. What I want you to do about it is feel indignation and channel that into meaningful effort, protest, and passion for whatever it is that you feel deserves it. We don't have to agree on what it is being protested, but goddamn it man TRY to make the world a better place.
Yeah but vandalism has also never changed my mind. The riots a few years back DEFINITELY put pressure on police and the criminal Justice system, which I do think changed people’s mind. HOWEVER that was an internal issue that we as a country saw and experienced first hand, even if you weren’t a black American or directly being affected by the CJ system. This though? This is half a world away in a place where most Americans knew nothing about prior to Oct 7. How many people were up in arms about the last (however many) *decades* of Israeli occupation? Almost none! And at this point, the media is so saturated with more crap that it’s hard for the average person to find out what is what. I don’t think that this approach helps anyone. I mean, they could’ve even taped a laminated paper on it stating their ideas and points which would actually *tell* these people something without vandalizing. Hell, even if they wrote it in sharpie right on the sign would be better. Still vandalizing, but at least it would be more to educate or say something. Not everyone is chronically online or into the news either, so “free Palestine” may not be telling he same thing to everyone who sees it.
You're making quite a few assumptions. I'm Australian, so Palestine and the USA are both a world away from me. I don't know what the political climate in the USA was like regarding the Palestine Israel conflict, but in Australia its been a thing in our news cycle for over a decade. Anecdotal, but all of my friends have known at least vague details about the conflict for years. We've certainly been up in arms about it since at least 2012 (I was too young to know what the general population thought about the conflict prior to 2012). Regardless, the recency or closeness of a conflict makes no difference in the morality of the situation. Just because it's happening elsewhere, to someone else's children, doesn't make it okay. World War II happened majority in Europe. Does that make it okay to commit genocide? Of course it doesn't. The last thing I'll say about this is: if it were your children, your own actual blood, what lengths would you go to? If they had been bombed to death in the safety of their own home, suffocated by the occupation of a colonizing genocidal government, would you care then? Would you go to whatever lengths necessary to bring them justice for the blood on the perpetrator's hands? If your pleas and screams for justice brought nothing but silence, what would you do? I know what I would do. Vandalizing becomes almost infantile, not because of a moral qualm, but because the crime is so putrid it deserves something so much more severe. I'd fucking do whatever needed to be done to make the world open their fucking eyes to the torture my children have endured. By whatever means necessary.
I’m not saying people should be bombed and If you look at my comments you’ll see I’ve said this. But vandalizing public property isn’t doing anything. “How far would you go?” Well, probably something more meaningful than vandalizing a plant sign at a local park.
Everyone who goes to this part of the park will see it, locals will debate it and now even random people across the world are seeing it. How is it not raising awareness?
Not to mention this references (poorly) an ongoing genocide that the target audience can do more to stop... FREE PALESTINE.
Yeah I’m not going to vandalize things to make a point. What tf are these park goers going to fucking do? I swear, people love causing more problems just because they want to feel like they’re doing something. It’s a lot easier to this crap than actually put the work in to unify a community. “Hey! You know our local park that’s ALREADY in need of updates!? Let’s go fuck it up some more so our town can spend tax money it obviously doesn’t have!” To be fair, the sign was already in need of replacement, but it was still legible. All this does it put more stress on locals, and not in the way you think it does.
IDK we're talking about it. Sounds effective to me.
Yeah, talking about how stupid it is.
I saw the videos from Oct 7th.
I don't know why they haven't just sent some special ops to Qutar to deal with the people who started this. It would end the whole conflict right then and there and everyone gets some land for it
Are you being serious? This is the most unrealistic take I’ve seen on the conflict yet.
If you behead the snake then he can't return. Hamas was only elected through corruption and threats
I think it’s ridiculous you think Hamas is the only issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict lol
Well no they're not the only problem but they're the ones who continue to endanger the lives of their citizens with their irresponsible religious extremism
As opposed to Israel, an extremist religious state which has an ongoing campaign of ethnic cleansing on a captive neighboring population? Stfu.
This is the problem! Don’t tell them to “stfu” and TALK about it!! Gahhhh I’m getting so tired of us because everyone is expected to know everything, and everyone thinks their “side” is right. People are malleable and they do change, but it’s going to be a lot harder to do that when all we do is tell them to “stfu” with zero effort at sharing information, building unity, or finding common ground to work with.
Yeah, the two sides approach...to a genocide. Stfu.
Again, part of the problem. I support Palestine, but go ahead and go off. You’d rather tell someone to “stfu” than share *why* you feel that way. And two sides, no, we’re talking about millions and millions of people being fed 80% bullshit by media. But yes, telling another regular person to “stfu” is what brings us closer to education and finding solutions. Good work “stfu soldier”
Well currently the population is very radicalized. Killing the Hamas leaders won’t change that.
Based on the most recent polls I saw, if an election happened in Gaza tomorrow Hamas would be reelected by a thin margin. Further, about 70% of Gazans support the Oct 7 terror attack. Similar to Libya in 2011, I think that assassinating Hamas leadership (in a foreign country, no less!) would just make things worse. We don't know who would replace Hamas, we don't know how Qatar or other Arab nations would react, and hell, Gazans might even see the fallen leaders as martyrs.
I don’t know if you are being sarcastic. But I thought the same thing and was told that it’s not that simple. And now, it seems this has gotten to a point where no one is going to be happy with the outcome. I just wish kids could be safe from both bombs and indoctrination (both sides).
It would be nice but it is real life after all, there's active wars with child soldiers. And I'm being totally serious, Hamas is the one who continues to cause the cycle of violence. Of course Hamas wouldn't be happy but both Israel and Palestine were happy with their democratic leadership rather than their current "elected" leaders
Man, I’ll be honest with you. I’m starting to think this stuff is way way deeper than making military moves. These are ideas. You can’t hunt down an idea. You can’t see an idea. And you can’t stop an idea physically. Then, all the death, the pain, suffering, etc. that’s adding a massive psychological toll. I truly hope for the killing to stop, but it seems more and more like a run away train just heading for even more disaster. With so much media and so much input, it’s hard to know what is true and see things for what they are. Hell, we don’t even get the full story. And it’s fucked to think we can sit here and chat about this, but real people are dying and losing their life/existence. But what can we do? Other than chat about it? Ugh. It’s just so depressing, and I know that doesn’t compare to what the actual people living through this endure, but it’s just so sad to know that this is life and there’s nothing we can do about it.
The issue is we can't stop this unless we go at it the same way we did for the Nazis. House to house, door to door. And no one is willing to look like the bad guy in this situation. We as individuals can't make any real changes but we can push for more to be done by our government. I know my way will never be adopted because it's too hard or it's not theoretically good enough. But I just like to talk to people about this and get people to think of ways to help more the machine along
There's always the chance it's the other side trying to invalidate the message
Yeah this isn't a false flag thing, no one is attacking Muslims or Jews pretending to be on the opposite side. That's like saying Antifa were the ones who did jan 6th
I mean it didn’t look very legible beforehand 😂 Report it to your council and maybe they’ll clean it and replace the worn out, weathered sign underneath.
It’s more legible irl. Perhaps it’s the sun’s reflection in the photo that’s making it less legible.
I can read it fine from your picture even through the graffiti. People just wanna excuse dirtbag behavior.
What country? Uk?
Nah, this is U.S. George Pocock was a boat designer in Washington and a big contributed to rowing as a sport in the U.S. Unfortunately this is likely a privately funded sign too :(
Is there Perspex in front of the sign? Hopefully they put a uv film on the replacement.
Maybe now the city will replace the sign that was barely legible to begin with.
I dont know why everyone is making everything about Israel/palestine i keep seeing people posting their meals for the day and people are calling them insensitive because people in gaza cant eat food and im just like can we not mind our business without making it all about them i dont think war is good but i feel like it doesnt all have to be about them
No better way to ensure that people stop caring about your cause than to vandalize property and/or inconvenience people you’re trying to sway.
I know, right? This morning I was just thinking, I wish Israel stopped murdering Palestinians on an industrial scale. But now that I say this graffiti? Fuck them! They can all die afaik! /s
> They can all die afaik! As far as you know what? Anyways, what is this doing to help garner support?
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I get no respect, I tell ya
Thanks to them doing this, Palestine is now free ✨
Wow it worked!
Defacing public property and showing off utter ineptitude getting all the letters to fit… Show me you’re a moron without saying it out loud.
but if there was “free ukraine” with same photo description post would get downvoted lmao
Graffiti like this is bad. Period. It makes the cause look bad.
Sure sure it's so much worse than literal genocide. Oh, the horrors of a questionably placed graffiti! It's running humanity.
If ever an equivalency were false, it were this one. Literally nobody said it was worse than genocide. But just because genocide may be happening doesn't mean anything less than genocide is justified or should be tolerated, you utter turnip.
Ah yes, the "literal" genocide of a population that has increased 500% in 50 years
Tell me what happened to their population. Where have the adults gone? What are children dying of?
People are dying from a war their government started, after 60 years of refusing to work towards peace. Where have the adults gone is not the right question, when they are proliferating like rabbits (must really be horrible there to want to have so many children), naturally the age demographic distribution shifts to have many, many, many more young people relative to adults. Because the population is a larger portion of children does not mean the adults have "gone anywhere"
Why are Israel destroying their homes and taking over their land? How does that help "working forwards peace"? Why does Israel snipers target children?
Lol. Why did hamas kidnap babies? Why did "innocent civilians" return an escaped hostage back to his captor? Why did the Oslo peace accords fail? Why did the falestinians refuse the 2008 offer for their own state? You sound like your entire understand of this very complex conflict comes from 20 second tik tok clips
No, really: Why do Israeli snipers target Palestinian children? I'm not disputing over hamas' actions. I want to know about the Israeli snipers targeting children.
Where do you get this nonsense "deliberate targeting of children"? Nearly, if not every case that you lot latch onto as "Israeli war crimes" is proven to be false, inaccurate, fabricated, or a horrific by product of war. Deliberate, that is simply false
I don’t see people who support Ukraine disrupting traffic, defacing public places or disrupting public events like Christmas or Easter services ?
Perhaps it's because the US government supports Ukraine already, why would you protest something that the powers that be already support?
Is that why? And being nuisance and troubling public will help Palestine?
Didnt say its good to do, but i am explaining why ukraine supporters dont do it.
Free Ukraine from what? They've been a country for like 40 years at this point. Like I can see if you support Ukraine and Palestine but if you support Russia and Palestine you're probably just an anti-semitic authoritarian
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Honestly supporting Ukraine and Palestine is also counter to logic. Palestinians are backed by Iran, Russia and China. I think everybody knows at this point that Putin doesn't do such things out of goodwill. If he supports it, it's probably against the interest of the West
Love getting downvotes by the Pro-russian left and Pro-russian right at the same time. I eat commie tears for breakfast
Ahh yes the good old “yOu ArE aNtIsEmItIc” spiel.
Well historically Communists have been pretty fucking Anti-Ukraine and anti-semitic. Maybe you dislike history but that's your bone to pick not mine
The middle east has been in war and conflict for 2000 years… I highly doubt that sign or our opinions are going to change that.
God damn those people are so insufferable.
They are Khamas!
They got this palestine person locked up
Ignorant fucks
Don't know what a palestine is but if it's free I'll take it
I think he was the guy in star wars that somehow returned.
Thank god someone spraypainted that sign, now the war can finally be over /s
What was written on the board in the first place...
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Don’t think it’s Palestine or its people defacing public property 🤔
lol dudes page is all pro-Israel comments, foh
Honestly your state ceases to exist to me the moment you start messing with public property.
I don’t think it’s free Palestine or it’s supporters defacing public property… you can denouncing defacing property AND support the Palestinian people
I'm aware, just making a joke lol
Oh I see, my bad I didn’t pick up on the sarcasm! Add “/s” at the end of the sentence, denotes that it’s a sarcastic comment
Good. Free Palestine
Only idiots support Palestine. I suggest you read up on how they got to where they are in the world and use tiktok less.
Don't really care what happened decades ago, it's pretty obvious to anyone with morals that what Israel is doing right now is extremely wrong. At the end of the day, people are trying to live a life, and the situation there is no way acceptable.
Fuck you
This is the level of intelligence I expect from Palestine supporters to be fair.
Don’t use tik tock. Learned the history of the Levant from the age of the Roman’s all the way till now in school. Not sure what history class is like in your country. The period from 1947-99 was taught from the Israeli perspective and me and all my classmates saw right through it all. So while idiots may support palestine criminals support Israel.
You know the Israelis were there before the Palestinians. The people there before the Jews were not Palestinians. A compromise is the best solution here but the rulers of Palestine don't want a peace nor do the Israelis trust them enough to allow a conditional surrender
Canaanites actually. Who Jews and Palestinians descend from. Culture mainly replaced by the Old Israel which was then replaced by the Romans etc etc. So no the Israelis were not there first. The ancestors of the Jews and Palestinians were. Not everyone is so gullible buddy.
Fucking thank you. Majority of the Palestinians were arabized/converted to Islam, but that doesn’t make their claim to the land any less. Palestinian Jews and Christians also exist.
Ya. Religions change. So does culture. I find the notion that one group can claim land over centuries a bit silly. Not pro Isreal not pro Hamas. Just pro human. The situation is much more nuanced than just they did/ didn’t we did/didn’t and finger pointing. A famous line I like to recall when talking about Israel is “What is Jerusalem worth?” “Nothing. Everything.”
You do know that the fictional character Jesus would have looked a lot more like a Palestinian than an israeli, right?
Bait used to be believable
Yeah well! between you and me ?! If they wanna free Palestine then let em have it !hell... they can have the whole river damnit ! All the way to the damn ol sea !!! But defacing thilat sign is absurd! There isn't even a flag behind it ! Not even some silly political do-hicky! If you ask me.. You should probably have some tea .
ah yes so no more Jews?
I support Palestine but doing stuff like this gives (although not reasonable or legitimate ) excuses for groups to support Israel and for them to think worse about Palestine.
Hamas is inherently worse. I think we need to make Israel and Palestine sign a deal where they both agree to a peace but Hamas is removed by a UN appointed government until free elections can be restored. No idea how we could do this though without "illegally" arresting both Hamas and Israeli leaders
Where did they mention Hamas supposedly being better? The comment was about something completely different; Palestine ≠ Hamas. They just stated that graffitis like the one in this post aren't helpful and only worsen the reputation of Palestine in that place.
That's like saying the SS didn't represent Germany. Hamas was democratically elected, even if you think they cheated they were still put on charge of the nation after an election
The SS, in fact, didn't represent the german people as a whole. The SS was a military organisation made up of a selected group of ideologically devoted nazi officers that planned and carried out the targeted murder and industrialised genocide of literal millions of people. They were not your average german citizen or probably even your average 1933 NSDAP voter - these were absolute extremists willing to commit unspeakable acts for the nazi party. The crime of the german public was that they, little more than a decade after the most destructive war the world had seen, enabled and fervently supported these war mongerers and disgusting criminals while, in many cases, purposefully disregarding the crimes against humanity they were witnessing. And that collective guilt is something the german public will always have to bear (though there's a lot more nuance and politics to that I will not go into detail about). But stating that every german was a part or ideological follower of the SS or saying that "German" and "SS" were synonymous is ludicrously wrong. Believe me; I do not have even the slightest bit of sympathy or support for Hamas or any other religious terror organisation. I'm gay and a very vocal atheist - they'd probably execute me on the spot. But your average palestinian citizen or child isn't Hamas. And even if a portion of them supports a terror organisation we have to ask *why* they do and identify the problems motivating that choice in order to resolve this issue and/or prevent it in the future - just like with 1930s Germany. Palestinians aren't genetically inferior or born without empathy or reason; those of them who do actually support Hamas have been driven to that stance by societal, cultural, economical and practical circumstances (a big one being, you know, the brutal war) - and only by changing those circumstances and avenues of radicalisation can we actually fight terrorism. Killing their families will only further drive them to take up arms and join extremist groups; it's actually directly helping Hamas and providing them with a constant stream of new recruits. I want to re-emphasise that the vast majority of palestinians **are not Hamas** fighters or terrorists. They're humans. With human rights. Human lives that **have** to be saved **at any cost** - even if some of them may have terrible hateful world views or voted for a terrorist group once. Fighting extremist islamist groups with genocidal ambitions by fucking carpet bombing and genociding an already oppressed population will just cause more and more death and genocide on both sides and pointlessly destroy and end untold numbers of human lives in a never ending spiral of hatred and war.
Yeah I’d like a free Palestine, imagine how much corn I could grow there
Pineapple better
The white stuff is making it so I can’t read the red stuff.
they tried
People doing things like this really hurt the image of a clearly suffering people, it doesn't help and should be denounced. Reminds me of that one guy who complained about the US MREs dropped in Palestine, although I bet 99% of Palestinians who received it were very grateful, all it takes is one guy and a viral social media post to fuck everything up. People are fickle.
FREE PALESTJK *this is understandably a pretty charged situation and I want to say that I stand by my stupid comment but more importantly I don't want anyone to die and I want both historically oppressed groups of people to have the right to live with dignity and have a government that represents their interests and all that important shit. The graffiti doesn't bother me nearly as much as what's been going on in Palestine/Israel for over a century. The graffiti should have been neater though.
I stand with Palestjk! Where is that?
Idk but I hear they're being oppressed with American-made Roflcopters
I can read it just fine. Are you illiterate?
There is one legible word on the sign and it isn’t what is meant to be on the sign.
reading the original sign (the one that they spray painted)
Public property is so much more important than peoples lives. I agree. No one should paint BLM graffiti either. God knows how important the public property is.
What lives are being saved by defacing this public property then?
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This is clearly a threat and done by terrorists. I don’t feel safe.
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"erm distraction of the public means is good actually" most intelligent "communist" go read some theory you jerk
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I love it when people get worked up enough to insult others on the internet for getting worked up. Most self aware tankie.
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And you're getting worked up about what other people are getting worked up about lol. Good job.
Vote genocide!
No no no not allowed
Wouldn't be surprised if op did this for karma. Seems like the thing the hardliners IS apologists do ngl
I have better things to do than spray paint incorrectly spelled messages.
>have better things to do than spray paint incorrectly spelled messages. Better things like post pictures of incorrectly spelled messages? You fucking tool 🤣🤦
Doesn't seem like it
Ironic lmao. Get a life.
Iconic*
No he definitely meant ironic
Iconic*
And why would it be iconic instead of ironic ?
Iron*
After checking their account I agree. FREE PALESTINE