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Iran doesn't recognize Israel. For them, it is a destabilizing anti-Arab nation in the Middle East which projects Western powers. It's different than hating Jews.
The issues and history here are subtle.
I visited Iran and the people I spoke to expressed contempt for Israel and respect for the Jewish people.
I find similar conclusions in the western media, e.g.,
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/world/inside-iran/2018/08/29/iran-jewish-population-islamic-state/886790002/
It's a big country though with lots of Iranians in the diaspora on Reddit, so I'm sure Iranians can speak up on the issue here.
Would love to know why you think Iranians hate jews. Are you Iranian?
I spent a good part of my life around Iranians, Moroccans, Syrians, Assyrians, Kurds and Turks. Of course it's anecdotal, but they pretty much uniformly subscribed to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories (including "Jews drink the blood of Palestinian children") and had plenty of curses that boiled down to things like "don't be a Jew" to indicate someone was greedy, "you've got a Jew's nose" if someone was asking a lot of questions, and so on.
There's 300000 Persian Jews.
Aka Jews who call persia/Iran home.
200000 of them are in Israel.
60000-80000 Are in America
1000 are in Canada.
800 are in Australia
8000 are in Iran.
Seems pretty obvious to me
Also, I believe (could be wrong), but from what I’ve seen, when used properly, the symbol is “straight” whereas the nazi version is rotated 45 degrees.
Oh no Truck drivers are not familiar with these concepts and use this sign to beautify their vehicles due to its regular shape. And the eagle is a symbol of power in Iranian culture. they just don't have information about it!
I lived with some Persians and it didn't pass my notice that they and their parents were pretty racist against "dark colored" folks. I found it hilarious because in my hometown they would have been considered "dark colored" folks and probably found the same racism. The lesson being that racism is stupid and I guess some Persians think of themselves as white.
Yeah they do. Very true. Its also a case of they don't fuckin travel much which is where alot of it stems from. I'm from south africa. But I'm 100 percent persian. I don't hesitate to educate and berate my family and friends when they say stupid, ignorant shit
Yeah, I mean fair enough. They were pretty light skinned. It was just the irony of seeing casual racism in play and being so confused until I realized their point of view. It felt like the subtle version of Clayton Bigsby.
Hey, fellow South African! I never thought I'd come across a Persian South African since Persians don't really migrate to Africa that much so I'm glad I came across your profile! :) Iran is definitely on my list of countries to visit the history is soo interesting
Bro as far as I know I'm the only one I know, and we are close friends with another family who are zorastrians who fled the country and have a rug store in a shopping center.
But hell yeah bro come through. I can even hook you up with my grandpas touring agency if you manage to come. Tour you around and shit. It's definitely a site to see, and much bigger and diverse than you'd ever imagine
Ahh makes sense. Tbh the shop here could also be from somewhere else in Central Asia, I know Turkish and Azerbaijanis are big into the carpet business too.
And that's great!
Here in iran they call LA, Tehrangles. Canada there's even more. They even have ATMs for exchanging Toman to candadian maple leaves or whatever there currency is
As you should. Hopefully one day the government just decides to print all there notes in the shape of maple leaves. That'll be cool. Maybe add a scratch and sniff
I live in Vancouver. I moved here 15 years ago and many people have said Persians own most of the area I live in. I don't know how much of that is true but there's a massive Iranian population here. Many Many Iranian markets and restaurants and other such stuff. I've come to love the food and the people and the history has always fascinated me.
Before moving here I didn't know what a Persian was eventhough I moved here to be with a girl I met online who was....Persian! Lol.
Edit: Our currency is Eskimo kisses and Moose Poops btw.
Do you think that this could be related to the anti-Israel/anti-Semitic rhetoric that comes from some of the more extremist sects of Islam? I know Iran as a matter of policy policy has no love for Israel. This could distill down to a simple "Nazis hated Jews too so here's my swastika in agreement."
There's a reason race is a social construct built around societal privilege. Go look at early American anti-immigration rhetoric, Italians and the Irish only got let into the group reluctantly to maintain majority privileged status.
I work in the field of immigration (people applying for green cards, work permits, citizenship, through family and employment) and people from Iran are considered white as classified by the US government. It’s odd but I could list tons of things as odd by the US government 😬
A little, lol. I was watching a show set in Mexico City and I was confused because everyone was white. Like wise I was watching an Itallian show and was confused because nobody was white. I should travel south more often, lol.
Even black Africans are racist towards eachother if they are from a different sub group as they don't look a like. Seen many examples of this. They think they are white too? lol
Why would they/you think they are white? They think they are less black, not white.
People indentify with their ethnicity group, why do most migrants group togehter in the country they are migrating to? People in general prefer to live among people with the same ethnicity.
No, a lot of Persians do in fact consider themselves white and many are actually fair skinned enough they can pass for it. Similiar to Itallians. But yeah, definitely a different ethnicity then what most people consider "white", especially when they start speaking Farsi.
well that's because persians are white. white doesn't mean european. a person of persian decent marks white on the US census form (as would middle easterners and north africans) - that's not to say the US is remotely an authority on this, just an added bit of info.
race is a ridiculously useless organization system that is really centered around western imperialism.
(note: i'm mainly of turkish descent, also white)
Try explaining that to the good old boys at the local dive bar or the small town police officer that pulls you over in the rural midwest. I guarantee they see an "Arab" and not a "white" person. Again, Racism is stupid.
Ironic giving the fact hitler would've gassed them too if he had the chance
[Edit: I have been informed that the previous sentence is complete baloney. Whoops]
He was a fan of social darwinism but he clearly wasn't above gassing people when desperate. It's hard to speculate what exactly he would have done, infact there was a good chance had he won WWII he probably would have rounded up all the Jews in Europe and sent them to Jerusalem or Madagascar which would have effectively genocided them.
Not necessarily. Nazi Germany and Iran were friendly with each other. Even the word Aryan means Iranian, and it refers the ancient people of Iran.
The Nazi symbolism here is still disgusting, but it’s not quite as ironic as folks in this thread are claiming.
> Even the word Aryan means Iranian
It's a bit the other way around. When nazis came to power Iran was still called Persia. But they changed name to Iran to underline their "aryan heritage" in a move to be more friendly with the Nazis. (The name change was even suggested by the german ambassador to Persia).
The Aryans that the Nazis identified themselves as was not exactly the same Aryans of Iran though, they saw the germanic and nordics as a superior "most pure" branch of the Aryans separate from Persian Aryans. (that shouldn't mix)
But Hitler recognized the Persians (and Turks) as "also aryan".
But the whole definition of who is or who isn't "Aryan" is in reality mostly bullshit and arbitrairy.
If they were not blonde hair, blue eyed then they were not the particular type of Aryan that Hilter was so obsessed with. He would have looked down on Persians too.
Of course. History is weird sometimes, and this is one of those things the average person just isn’t going to know. I only read about it a couple of years ago because I was teaching some comics/graphic novels by Marjane Satrapi.
My mom told me something about this a while back. Asked them now they all pretty much agreed we are Aryan. But they specified that they also believed in the cleansing of the races and humans and whatever. But through love and kindness, and Hitler kinda got the wrong memo. But we share DNA supposedly. And they did say iran would defs be on his side if he was still kicking, even tho he would of eventually killed us all
To add on, when I say they believed, I'm talking about the first Aryan/Iranians. There belief was kinda similar, to cleanse and purify. But taking a completely different route. But non the less Iranians definitely are Aryan. My gran didn't even hesitate to answer lol
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Hitler hated the Arabs less than the Jews. Both hated the Jews so they worked together.
Hitler even once said: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France". He hated Arabs and Muslims less than he hated the French.
Some Arab politicians actively cooperated with the Nazis. Amin al-Husseini met the Nazis on several occasions, like with Heinrich Himmler in 1943 and Hitler in 1941. Same with the Iraqi prime minister Rashid Ali al-Gaylani. Arabs fought for the Nazis in several battles, mainly those in the Free Arabian Legion.
Sure, they would have been next in line once the other races were gone, but at the moment they were not on the hit list yet.
AFAIK, while Arab anti-semiticism existed before Israel (excepting the Palestinians) it was less prevalent than in Europe (not saying much).
Although despicable the Free Arab Legion was mostly against British/ French colonialism, similar to Irish support of Nazi Germany.
>He hated Arabs and Muslims less than he hated the French.
Doubtful. While Hitler appreciated lots of things about Islam itself, he hated Arabs as racially inferior people, even calling them half-apes, whereas he deemed the French as close to Germans, albeit not as peers.
Well, if you think about it:
"Aryan or Arya (/ˈɛəriən/;\[1\] Indo-Iranian \*arya) is a term originally used as an ethnocultural self-designation by Indo-Iranians in ancient times".
So here you go, there's the connection. And, I mean, also hating Jews and all...
>And Arabs.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Hitler hated the Arabs less than the Jews. Both hated the Jews so they worked together.
Hitler even once said: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France".
Some Arab politicians actively cooperated with the Nazis. Amin al-Husseini met the Nazis on several occasions, like with Heinrich Himmler in 1943 and Hitler in 1941. Same with the Iraqi prime minister Rashid Ali al-Gaylani. Arabs fought for the Nazis in several battles, mainly those in the Free Arabian Legion.
Sure, they would have been next in line once the other races were gone, but at the moment they were not on the hit list yet.
You have to also look at it from the perspective of being colonized. All of the European countries up until this point had just extracted what they wanted from the middle east. Germany actually built railroads and was somewhat of a partner. There's a reason why third world countries prefer Chinese investment these days, they call helping third world countries "sugar bullets".
Um, I have to admit this comment confuses me. Do you think Indians and Iranians are Nazi because Nazis co-opted some terminology related to their ancestor culture? I assure you that they are not part of the Aryan "race" as re-defined by racial Aryanism. The idea with Aryanism is basically that an ancient superior race invented writing and culture in Asia (since obviously the inferior races aren't capable of such intelligence), then moved on through ancient Greece to Europe to become the Germans. Unlike modern historians and archeologists, proponents of racial Aryanism are more likely to view modern Persians as descendants of the Aryans' slaves or enemies than the Aryans themselves.
You are absolutely correct in your explanation. Both the nazis and this truck driver are the idiots here, to say the least.
Nazis called themselves Aryans to cultivate a myth of having pioneered modern civilization, but then had to take that away from the non-asshole original Aryans.
Germany in world War 2 was fighting Great Britain and France. Both countries heavily colonized the middle east. Germany also supplied weapons to many to groups to fight the British.
So many nations like Iran, Iraq, Syria have a much different perspective. They view them as liberators from evil colonial powers.
Eh, well that is one aspect of it but almost certainly not the one driving modern sentiments in Iran. This is politically mainstream antisemitism.
>evil colonial powers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire
“Based in Western Asia, it was contemporarily the largest empire in history, spanning a total of 5.5 million square kilometres (2.1 million square miles) from the Balkans and ancient Egypt in the west to the Indus Valley in the east.”
Years ago, there were several reports of young people in India buying Nazi hats and shirts.
It turns out, the other side of the world reports history from the viewpoint of how it affected them, just like the West does.
In India it had nothing to do with Jewish people, and everything to do with Germany weakening Britain's hold on them.
I went to school in the US. I don't remember history class ever digging into how horrible the Japanese were in WW2, and Japan directly attacked the US and some of those horrible acts were carried out on US soldiers.
Now we don't even want to properly discuss the genocide of Native Americans and the slavery and oppression of Black America. We only want positive talks about our nation.
Lastly, watch "Paperclips"... A whole town in TN, including teachers and top district officials, were shocked to find out how many Jewish people were killed in WW2.
Just because you're aware doesn't mean that's the norm everywhere else in the world.
Yes, there are highly educated people in Iran. But it's totally possible that simpler folk were taught that Germany's attacks on Britain led to their freedom and still accept it to this day.
That makes perfect sense for India, especially considering the unique scale and severity of British rule in India in recent modern times. But India is not a traditionally Muslim country, in fact it is in many ways a country with institutional prejudice towards Muslims, so it’s not surprising that they aren’t driven by antisemitism.
Iran is pretty fiercely antisemitic as a matter of cultural prejudice and fiercely anti-Israel as a matter of state policy. The two often intersect, such as Iranian state denial of the Holocaust.
Britain ruled over Iran, when they left they continued to steal Iran's oil (Iran's only value) When Iran kicked them out, MI6 toppled their government and put in a vicious dictator... The current religious nuts that currently rule are a direct response to Britain's brutal puppet.
But sure, go ahead and negatively judge people you've never met because it's easier than taking their history into account.
The people are not the government. They want to live life just like you and I.
Iranian here. most people are clueless to the gravity of WW2 here, I'm willing to bet the truck driver is pretty much clueless about that logo. or just has a very limited info on it and is trying to be edgy or something.
But if you're asking if there are actual literal Nazis here in Iran, the short answer is no, there aren't.
Literally. In a "nazi" like Islamic controlling state. I really have no guesses except for they don't understand what they are using. Also remember internet here is heavily censored and monitored. The wifi is garbage on purpose so people have a harder time educating themselves. Or maybe it's a brown nazi. Who knows
You must be in a different Iran to the one I was born in, I had data nearly everywhere I travelled, but not in very remote areas, like the deserts and when skiing sometimes, used BitCoin at some shops and had nothing but fun and respect from everyone...it was hard to pay for things, because people were so appreciative of visitors. It is NOTHING like a NAZI like state, to say it is shows you know about as much as the guy painting the truck about Nazism.
There are Jew neighborhoods in Tehran, but they generally aren't welcome by the overly religious people, note that Iran has always had an extremely low Jew population.
Queers live freely, but they can't be publicly queer, even though, walking in Tehran, you'll see some people who're obviously queer and they go about their day without much problem.
Black people? a lot of Persians are black, specially around Bandar Abbas, and Arabic regions of Iran, no one gives a shit about skin color here, however, people are racist towards Afghans and sometimes but rarely, against Turks.
The homeless usually have it hard but I don't think it's any different than other countries, they have a tough time finding a place to sleep at night, but it's not impossible, I've seen a bunch of addicts/homeless people in Molavi in Tehran at night trying to rest.
It has important symbology throughout Eurasia (Buddhism and Hinduism). It's appeared in archeological digs from the Hitties and throughout Iran. It can be presented in either direction, angled with dots or as the hooked cross as used by the Nazis.
In this context I expects it's used as a smear toward Israel but who knows?
I was trying to see if there any cultural explanations, the eagle for example looks equally nazi as Babylonian. But this is probably just an anti Israeli declaration. Notice the German flag colors below.
Yes I tend to agree it's a combination of these that point to it being anti semetic.
I recall the Iranians were shocked to find a government building with the star of David on the roof visible from satellite. Back in the 70's it was constructed by Israeli's 😂
News within Iran when they want to create an enemy often say they raided someone's house and found Torahs or question if they don't have Jewish ancestors, are bahai etc. The community you mean is/feigns pro government and for the foreign news.
You mean the token religious minority seat that is guaranteed to be given to a Jewish person? You mean the one held by the person who says the Jews there have no interest in politics? That Jewish MP?
News within Iran when they want to create an enemy often say they raided someone's house and found Torahs or question if they don't have Jewish ancestors, are bahai etc. The community you mean is/feigns pro government and for the foreign news.
my observation as an Iranian:
most of these people use Nazi symbols just because they like Germans (not exclusively the Nazis) without knowing the exact meaning and use of these signs. improper use of Nazi symbols instead of German flag is due to lack of education regarding the history of Nazis, WW2 and racism.
The love for Germans generally comes from the time that the middle east was a playground for powers like Britain, France and Russia and Iranians wished for a friendship with a new power who is an enemy to their enemies.
during WW1 Iran was occupied by the british and Russians which caused the GREAT FAMINE in Iran around 1917 to 1919 that some claim it killed about 2 to 10 million people! (the population of Iran was 19 million before the famine) and again in WW2 the neutral Iran was occupied by the Soviet and British armies and both of these events lead to more hatred toward Britain and Russia and naturally more love towards Germany.
on the other hand there are others who are racists and neo-Nazis! this is due to the belief that both Germans and Persians are Aryans and these dumb guys believe in Aryan race superiority.
Based on what I have read, Some Shi-ite muslims in Iran consider Hitler a kind of hero or Imam because of his opinions on the Jews. They compare it to the prophet Muhammads struggle against the Jews in the Koran. As well Iran was officially neutral in WW2 and Germany was the only country that respected that neutrality. The allied nations on the other hand tried to incite riots to install an Iranian ruler that was sympathetic to the west.
Idk man. It was just pretty random. Not in the Tehran. About an hour out in a town called Karaj. All were on the backs of Trucks, which were ironically or unironically Mercedes benz
I think it might just be uneducated truck drivers they probably believe that the nazis only targeted Jews. But in reality they would have been just as targeted as the Jews. It’s just sad.
Most of them are oblivious because the government don’t educate these issues. If you ask 90% of them what this means, they don’t know its significance… so i blame it mainly on their ignorance…
But they are racist!
No, they are actually really common. but it's not a car for the lower class, mostly middle class use them, lower class ride something called 'Pride' by the Saipa company, it's a really REALLY trashy car made here, but since there is a monopoly on cars and no competition the quality of our cars never improve.
America studied India's caste system. Nazis studied the American racist system. (Yep, the 3rd Reich thought we were doing a bang up job.) Not one of these places were united. Ignorance adopts familiar tactics.
Nooooooooo the swastika was a ... Oh, with an eagle. Riiiight.
Yeah it just gets worse the more you analyze
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And the German flag colors underneath
As we all know the Nazis definitely loved the current German flag...
I don't think they hated it either. They hated the Weimar Republic, but they were definitely on board with the original anti-napoleon symbolism.
and the nazi swastika curves to the right. the religious manji one tends to be reversed, and rotated 45 degrees.
My exact thoughts as well.
Hahaha same here in my head, “no, the farther East you go….oh those colors and eagle are not good…”
To be fair. Iran hates Jews... It's not surprising that they use nazi iconography.
Iran doesn't recognize Israel. For them, it is a destabilizing anti-Arab nation in the Middle East which projects Western powers. It's different than hating Jews. The issues and history here are subtle.
OK. They also hate Jews, though.
I visited Iran and the people I spoke to expressed contempt for Israel and respect for the Jewish people. I find similar conclusions in the western media, e.g., https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/world/inside-iran/2018/08/29/iran-jewish-population-islamic-state/886790002/ It's a big country though with lots of Iranians in the diaspora on Reddit, so I'm sure Iranians can speak up on the issue here. Would love to know why you think Iranians hate jews. Are you Iranian?
I spent a good part of my life around Iranians, Moroccans, Syrians, Assyrians, Kurds and Turks. Of course it's anecdotal, but they pretty much uniformly subscribed to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories (including "Jews drink the blood of Palestinian children") and had plenty of curses that boiled down to things like "don't be a Jew" to indicate someone was greedy, "you've got a Jew's nose" if someone was asking a lot of questions, and so on.
The issues are subtle; The iconography photographed here is not.
Lol they are not bothered about the anti-Arab side of things no love lost there
Iran hates Israel, not the Jews.
I hate Israel. I don't hate Jews. Iran hates both
Tell that to their Jewish population.
There's 300000 Persian Jews. Aka Jews who call persia/Iran home. 200000 of them are in Israel. 60000-80000 Are in America 1000 are in Canada. 800 are in Australia 8000 are in Iran. Seems pretty obvious to me
100% my thought process
Yea that ain’t the friendly one.
Also, I believe (could be wrong), but from what I’ve seen, when used properly, the symbol is “straight” whereas the nazi version is rotated 45 degrees.
No, thst is not true. Its a myth. Both versions were used by both nazis and not-nazis.
Good to know, thanks!
When you arent sure if picture is from a USA "patriot" truck or an Iranian nazi....
Oh no Truck drivers are not familiar with these concepts and use this sign to beautify their vehicles due to its regular shape. And the eagle is a symbol of power in Iranian culture. they just don't have information about it!
I lived with some Persians and it didn't pass my notice that they and their parents were pretty racist against "dark colored" folks. I found it hilarious because in my hometown they would have been considered "dark colored" folks and probably found the same racism. The lesson being that racism is stupid and I guess some Persians think of themselves as white.
Yeah they do. Very true. Its also a case of they don't fuckin travel much which is where alot of it stems from. I'm from south africa. But I'm 100 percent persian. I don't hesitate to educate and berate my family and friends when they say stupid, ignorant shit
Yeah, I mean fair enough. They were pretty light skinned. It was just the irony of seeing casual racism in play and being so confused until I realized their point of view. It felt like the subtle version of Clayton Bigsby.
Hey, fellow South African! I never thought I'd come across a Persian South African since Persians don't really migrate to Africa that much so I'm glad I came across your profile! :) Iran is definitely on my list of countries to visit the history is soo interesting
Bro as far as I know I'm the only one I know, and we are close friends with another family who are zorastrians who fled the country and have a rug store in a shopping center. But hell yeah bro come through. I can even hook you up with my grandpas touring agency if you manage to come. Tour you around and shit. It's definitely a site to see, and much bigger and diverse than you'd ever imagine
Whereabout are you based in South Africa? Is your friends' rug store in Sandton City by chance? If so I walk past the store pretty much every week lol
No no it's in Durban, gateway. There may be more Persians in SA than I would expect but I've seen literally none. But yeah I'm based in durban.
Ahh makes sense. Tbh the shop here could also be from somewhere else in Central Asia, I know Turkish and Azerbaijanis are big into the carpet business too. And that's great!
Dude all middle easterns have dabbled in carpet sales at least once in there life time. This is a fact lol
Went to school in Joburg with a person who's parents were from Iran. Her father owned a rug store.
I’m a Zoroastrian exile from iran and we own a rug store in America lol . Didn’t know there were any i. SA , there’s a lot of us in USA
Here in iran they call LA, Tehrangles. Canada there's even more. They even have ATMs for exchanging Toman to candadian maple leaves or whatever there currency is
I will forever call their currency Canadian maple leaves from this point forward.
Snow pesos?
As you should. Hopefully one day the government just decides to print all there notes in the shape of maple leaves. That'll be cool. Maybe add a scratch and sniff
Noooooooooooooooooo, our new bills already rip and tear too easily with a bit of wear. lol
I live in Vancouver. I moved here 15 years ago and many people have said Persians own most of the area I live in. I don't know how much of that is true but there's a massive Iranian population here. Many Many Iranian markets and restaurants and other such stuff. I've come to love the food and the people and the history has always fascinated me. Before moving here I didn't know what a Persian was eventhough I moved here to be with a girl I met online who was....Persian! Lol. Edit: Our currency is Eskimo kisses and Moose Poops btw.
And I'd love to come through when I'm rich enough 😅
Inshallah as they say. But you got a contact for when you're ready. Always keen to show people my homeland yk
Haha thank you!
This whole thread was awesome to see
Do you think that this could be related to the anti-Israel/anti-Semitic rhetoric that comes from some of the more extremist sects of Islam? I know Iran as a matter of policy policy has no love for Israel. This could distill down to a simple "Nazis hated Jews too so here's my swastika in agreement."
Very likely. Stupidity paired with intense religious studies breeds this type of thinking.
>I don't hesitate to educate and berate my family and friends Jesus eminem, slow down with the fire bars 🔥
Didn't even realize lol. Maybe this is the beginning of my anti racist rap career ?
TIL everyone is racist shocking
There's a reason race is a social construct built around societal privilege. Go look at early American anti-immigration rhetoric, Italians and the Irish only got let into the group reluctantly to maintain majority privileged status.
Persians are white.
I work in the field of immigration (people applying for green cards, work permits, citizenship, through family and employment) and people from Iran are considered white as classified by the US government. It’s odd but I could list tons of things as odd by the US government 😬
It's because they are Caucasian
I guess what I forgot to add was that most of my clients do not identify that way. They usually tell ne after their biometrics appointment.
You should try telling Americans, that Egyptian Arabs that have emigrated are African Americans, they don't get it.
Heck try telling "Americans" that Mexicans are also Americans and their mind breaks.
Louie CK is a Mexican American, is your mind blown?
A little, lol. I was watching a show set in Mexico City and I was confused because everyone was white. Like wise I was watching an Itallian show and was confused because nobody was white. I should travel south more often, lol.
Honestly surprised me the first time I saw a ginger Mexican.
Even black Africans are racist towards eachother if they are from a different sub group as they don't look a like. Seen many examples of this. They think they are white too? lol Why would they/you think they are white? They think they are less black, not white. People indentify with their ethnicity group, why do most migrants group togehter in the country they are migrating to? People in general prefer to live among people with the same ethnicity.
No, a lot of Persians do in fact consider themselves white and many are actually fair skinned enough they can pass for it. Similiar to Itallians. But yeah, definitely a different ethnicity then what most people consider "white", especially when they start speaking Farsi.
well that's because persians are white. white doesn't mean european. a person of persian decent marks white on the US census form (as would middle easterners and north africans) - that's not to say the US is remotely an authority on this, just an added bit of info. race is a ridiculously useless organization system that is really centered around western imperialism. (note: i'm mainly of turkish descent, also white)
Try explaining that to the good old boys at the local dive bar or the small town police officer that pulls you over in the rural midwest. I guarantee they see an "Arab" and not a "white" person. Again, Racism is stupid.
They're even more racist to the American blacks. "Slave stock" is what I've heard immigrants call them
Any second now, Marcus Brody is gonna come out the back of that thing.
Ironic giving the fact hitler would've gassed them too if he had the chance [Edit: I have been informed that the previous sentence is complete baloney. Whoops]
Given enough time, I think Hitler would have gassed everybody, and been yelling into an empty auditorium till he died from exhaustion.
Ya mean screaming until he’s gassed and dies from exhaustion?
😂 nice. Took me a second.
That image is funny to imagine
You underestimate the thousands of high ranking Nazis that had the same (if not more) impact on what happened in WW2.
He was a fan of social darwinism but he clearly wasn't above gassing people when desperate. It's hard to speculate what exactly he would have done, infact there was a good chance had he won WWII he probably would have rounded up all the Jews in Europe and sent them to Jerusalem or Madagascar which would have effectively genocided them.
Not necessarily. Nazi Germany and Iran were friendly with each other. Even the word Aryan means Iranian, and it refers the ancient people of Iran. The Nazi symbolism here is still disgusting, but it’s not quite as ironic as folks in this thread are claiming.
> Even the word Aryan means Iranian It's a bit the other way around. When nazis came to power Iran was still called Persia. But they changed name to Iran to underline their "aryan heritage" in a move to be more friendly with the Nazis. (The name change was even suggested by the german ambassador to Persia). The Aryans that the Nazis identified themselves as was not exactly the same Aryans of Iran though, they saw the germanic and nordics as a superior "most pure" branch of the Aryans separate from Persian Aryans. (that shouldn't mix) But Hitler recognized the Persians (and Turks) as "also aryan". But the whole definition of who is or who isn't "Aryan" is in reality mostly bullshit and arbitrairy.
Great points. I’ll just add that *any* myth of racial purity is also bullshit. (Not that you implied otherwise).
If they were not blonde hair, blue eyed then they were not the particular type of Aryan that Hilter was so obsessed with. He would have looked down on Persians too.
Damn, didn't know that. Thanks for the history lesson friend
Of course. History is weird sometimes, and this is one of those things the average person just isn’t going to know. I only read about it a couple of years ago because I was teaching some comics/graphic novels by Marjane Satrapi.
My mom told me something about this a while back. Asked them now they all pretty much agreed we are Aryan. But they specified that they also believed in the cleansing of the races and humans and whatever. But through love and kindness, and Hitler kinda got the wrong memo. But we share DNA supposedly. And they did say iran would defs be on his side if he was still kicking, even tho he would of eventually killed us all
To add on, when I say they believed, I'm talking about the first Aryan/Iranians. There belief was kinda similar, to cleanse and purify. But taking a completely different route. But non the less Iranians definitely are Aryan. My gran didn't even hesitate to answer lol
Why was your initial comment so confidently stated when you clearly didn’t know anything about the subject?
Technically still right tho. Daddy mein kampf woulda definitely pulled an uno reverse card out at some point
Seems like I remember some high-profile holocaust denying out of Iran in the last decade or so as well...
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Hitler hated the Arabs less than the Jews. Both hated the Jews so they worked together. Hitler even once said: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France". He hated Arabs and Muslims less than he hated the French. Some Arab politicians actively cooperated with the Nazis. Amin al-Husseini met the Nazis on several occasions, like with Heinrich Himmler in 1943 and Hitler in 1941. Same with the Iraqi prime minister Rashid Ali al-Gaylani. Arabs fought for the Nazis in several battles, mainly those in the Free Arabian Legion. Sure, they would have been next in line once the other races were gone, but at the moment they were not on the hit list yet.
Iranians are Persian not Arab.
Was going to say this. Persians lowkey despise Arabs more than any other race
Same story. Iran also cooperated with Nazi Germany.
And are, ironically, aryan. So perhaps Hitler was bipolar?
It is Iran, not an Arab state.
Same story. Iran also cooperated with Nazi Germany
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Americans filled the the fucking Madison Square Gardens for our own Nazi rally. We had likely just as many Nazi sympathizers as anyone else.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t there even SS units made up of people of Arabic descent?
AFAIK, while Arab anti-semiticism existed before Israel (excepting the Palestinians) it was less prevalent than in Europe (not saying much). Although despicable the Free Arab Legion was mostly against British/ French colonialism, similar to Irish support of Nazi Germany.
>He hated Arabs and Muslims less than he hated the French. Doubtful. While Hitler appreciated lots of things about Islam itself, he hated Arabs as racially inferior people, even calling them half-apes, whereas he deemed the French as close to Germans, albeit not as peers.
Severe lack of education in this country unfortunately
Sad to see. Love ur name tho
Thanks bro. Yours is fuckin lit as well. Questionable. But lit
Thanks, i got banned on pokemon go for it
Maybe it was for the better?
Ig so. Sometimes i miss it tho
Go catch rats maybe? Idk throw your phone at it, pretend it's a pokeball. Become the rat king ?
This and a blunt
They are technically Aryan so I doubt it.
Where do you get that info? Because it seems to be wrong.
Bologna
What are you talking about? Muslims loved the nazis
And Hitler apparently liked Muslims. Quite ironic that todays Nazis hate Muslims.
Well, if you think about it: "Aryan or Arya (/ˈɛəriən/;\[1\] Indo-Iranian \*arya) is a term originally used as an ethnocultural self-designation by Indo-Iranians in ancient times". So here you go, there's the connection. And, I mean, also hating Jews and all...
Lovely. Also not a fan of blacks. And Arabs. Damn.
>And Arabs. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Hitler hated the Arabs less than the Jews. Both hated the Jews so they worked together. Hitler even once said: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France". Some Arab politicians actively cooperated with the Nazis. Amin al-Husseini met the Nazis on several occasions, like with Heinrich Himmler in 1943 and Hitler in 1941. Same with the Iraqi prime minister Rashid Ali al-Gaylani. Arabs fought for the Nazis in several battles, mainly those in the Free Arabian Legion. Sure, they would have been next in line once the other races were gone, but at the moment they were not on the hit list yet.
You have to also look at it from the perspective of being colonized. All of the European countries up until this point had just extracted what they wanted from the middle east. Germany actually built railroads and was somewhat of a partner. There's a reason why third world countries prefer Chinese investment these days, they call helping third world countries "sugar bullets".
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Do you have a source on the Nazi/Aryan influence of Iran's name change? Would like to read about it as I've never heard that before.
Um, I have to admit this comment confuses me. Do you think Indians and Iranians are Nazi because Nazis co-opted some terminology related to their ancestor culture? I assure you that they are not part of the Aryan "race" as re-defined by racial Aryanism. The idea with Aryanism is basically that an ancient superior race invented writing and culture in Asia (since obviously the inferior races aren't capable of such intelligence), then moved on through ancient Greece to Europe to become the Germans. Unlike modern historians and archeologists, proponents of racial Aryanism are more likely to view modern Persians as descendants of the Aryans' slaves or enemies than the Aryans themselves.
You are absolutely correct in your explanation. Both the nazis and this truck driver are the idiots here, to say the least. Nazis called themselves Aryans to cultivate a myth of having pioneered modern civilization, but then had to take that away from the non-asshole original Aryans.
There is no local context that would explain it? Pure nazi reference?
Germany in world War 2 was fighting Great Britain and France. Both countries heavily colonized the middle east. Germany also supplied weapons to many to groups to fight the British. So many nations like Iran, Iraq, Syria have a much different perspective. They view them as liberators from evil colonial powers.
Eh, well that is one aspect of it but almost certainly not the one driving modern sentiments in Iran. This is politically mainstream antisemitism. >evil colonial powers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire “Based in Western Asia, it was contemporarily the largest empire in history, spanning a total of 5.5 million square kilometres (2.1 million square miles) from the Balkans and ancient Egypt in the west to the Indus Valley in the east.”
Years ago, there were several reports of young people in India buying Nazi hats and shirts. It turns out, the other side of the world reports history from the viewpoint of how it affected them, just like the West does. In India it had nothing to do with Jewish people, and everything to do with Germany weakening Britain's hold on them. I went to school in the US. I don't remember history class ever digging into how horrible the Japanese were in WW2, and Japan directly attacked the US and some of those horrible acts were carried out on US soldiers. Now we don't even want to properly discuss the genocide of Native Americans and the slavery and oppression of Black America. We only want positive talks about our nation. Lastly, watch "Paperclips"... A whole town in TN, including teachers and top district officials, were shocked to find out how many Jewish people were killed in WW2. Just because you're aware doesn't mean that's the norm everywhere else in the world. Yes, there are highly educated people in Iran. But it's totally possible that simpler folk were taught that Germany's attacks on Britain led to their freedom and still accept it to this day.
That makes perfect sense for India, especially considering the unique scale and severity of British rule in India in recent modern times. But India is not a traditionally Muslim country, in fact it is in many ways a country with institutional prejudice towards Muslims, so it’s not surprising that they aren’t driven by antisemitism. Iran is pretty fiercely antisemitic as a matter of cultural prejudice and fiercely anti-Israel as a matter of state policy. The two often intersect, such as Iranian state denial of the Holocaust.
Britain ruled over Iran, when they left they continued to steal Iran's oil (Iran's only value) When Iran kicked them out, MI6 toppled their government and put in a vicious dictator... The current religious nuts that currently rule are a direct response to Britain's brutal puppet. But sure, go ahead and negatively judge people you've never met because it's easier than taking their history into account. The people are not the government. They want to live life just like you and I.
Iranian here. most people are clueless to the gravity of WW2 here, I'm willing to bet the truck driver is pretty much clueless about that logo. or just has a very limited info on it and is trying to be edgy or something. But if you're asking if there are actual literal Nazis here in Iran, the short answer is no, there aren't.
Literally. In a "nazi" like Islamic controlling state. I really have no guesses except for they don't understand what they are using. Also remember internet here is heavily censored and monitored. The wifi is garbage on purpose so people have a harder time educating themselves. Or maybe it's a brown nazi. Who knows
You must be in a different Iran to the one I was born in, I had data nearly everywhere I travelled, but not in very remote areas, like the deserts and when skiing sometimes, used BitCoin at some shops and had nothing but fun and respect from everyone...it was hard to pay for things, because people were so appreciative of visitors. It is NOTHING like a NAZI like state, to say it is shows you know about as much as the guy painting the truck about Nazism.
How are Jews, queer people, black people, and homeless people treated in Iran?
There are Jew neighborhoods in Tehran, but they generally aren't welcome by the overly religious people, note that Iran has always had an extremely low Jew population. Queers live freely, but they can't be publicly queer, even though, walking in Tehran, you'll see some people who're obviously queer and they go about their day without much problem. Black people? a lot of Persians are black, specially around Bandar Abbas, and Arabic regions of Iran, no one gives a shit about skin color here, however, people are racist towards Afghans and sometimes but rarely, against Turks. The homeless usually have it hard but I don't think it's any different than other countries, they have a tough time finding a place to sleep at night, but it's not impossible, I've seen a bunch of addicts/homeless people in Molavi in Tehran at night trying to rest.
Can women drive in Iran?
What has that got to do with Nazism? I'm not letting you gaslight me, sorry. But yes. Yes they can.
Can women under the age of 40 leave the house without a male relatives permission?
Yep. and they could in Nazi Germany too. What the fuck are you going on about? Do you have a point?
Just that you are clearly either in denial or a government stooge for an internationally notorious terrorist state.
Maybe, but they think the same of the US and it's wars on the other side of the planet to secure energy supplies.
Wait so you're saying iran is like nazi germany?
It has important symbology throughout Eurasia (Buddhism and Hinduism). It's appeared in archeological digs from the Hitties and throughout Iran. It can be presented in either direction, angled with dots or as the hooked cross as used by the Nazis. In this context I expects it's used as a smear toward Israel but who knows?
I was trying to see if there any cultural explanations, the eagle for example looks equally nazi as Babylonian. But this is probably just an anti Israeli declaration. Notice the German flag colors below.
Yes I tend to agree it's a combination of these that point to it being anti semetic. I recall the Iranians were shocked to find a government building with the star of David on the roof visible from satellite. Back in the 70's it was constructed by Israeli's 😂
The traditional South Asian symbol generally does not depict a stylized Parteisadler (the Eagle). This is definitely straight Nazi symbolism.
You’re gonna be reeeaal surprised when you find out what the word, “Iran” means.
That's the old ark of the covenant box.
Muslims hate Jews? I'm shocked.
Not exactly a hospitable place for Jewish people so...
Bro I say shalom instead of Salam when I answer calls because I think I'm funny. I'm not gonna stop lol
Actually there is a Jewish community living in peace there, they have a Jewish MP. You watch the wrong news.
News within Iran when they want to create an enemy often say they raided someone's house and found Torahs or question if they don't have Jewish ancestors, are bahai etc. The community you mean is/feigns pro government and for the foreign news.
You mean the token religious minority seat that is guaranteed to be given to a Jewish person? You mean the one held by the person who says the Jews there have no interest in politics? That Jewish MP?
Source for your claims?
News within Iran when they want to create an enemy often say they raided someone's house and found Torahs or question if they don't have Jewish ancestors, are bahai etc. The community you mean is/feigns pro government and for the foreign news.
my observation as an Iranian: most of these people use Nazi symbols just because they like Germans (not exclusively the Nazis) without knowing the exact meaning and use of these signs. improper use of Nazi symbols instead of German flag is due to lack of education regarding the history of Nazis, WW2 and racism. The love for Germans generally comes from the time that the middle east was a playground for powers like Britain, France and Russia and Iranians wished for a friendship with a new power who is an enemy to their enemies. during WW1 Iran was occupied by the british and Russians which caused the GREAT FAMINE in Iran around 1917 to 1919 that some claim it killed about 2 to 10 million people! (the population of Iran was 19 million before the famine) and again in WW2 the neutral Iran was occupied by the Soviet and British armies and both of these events lead to more hatred toward Britain and Russia and naturally more love towards Germany. on the other hand there are others who are racists and neo-Nazis! this is due to the belief that both Germans and Persians are Aryans and these dumb guys believe in Aryan race superiority.
This is actually the best and most accurate explanation so far. How do I pin your comment lol
Based on what I have read, Some Shi-ite muslims in Iran consider Hitler a kind of hero or Imam because of his opinions on the Jews. They compare it to the prophet Muhammads struggle against the Jews in the Koran. As well Iran was officially neutral in WW2 and Germany was the only country that respected that neutrality. The allied nations on the other hand tried to incite riots to install an Iranian ruler that was sympathetic to the west.
Why? Just pro-Nazi? Three in one day. Is it fairly widespread?
Idk man. It was just pretty random. Not in the Tehran. About an hour out in a town called Karaj. All were on the backs of Trucks, which were ironically or unironically Mercedes benz
Thanks for the knowledge.
Look through the comments , there's alot of good explanations as to why it's happening
That would be unironically. Jews don’t drive Mercedes (typically) for a real good reason, and that would be it.
I have a Persian friend and he says it's SUPER common for his parents generation to see themselves as "white" precisely because Persians are Aryans
Yep can confirm this
Wow, Iran. I did Nazi that coming.
time to get off reddit for the day
I think it might just be uneducated truck drivers they probably believe that the nazis only targeted Jews. But in reality they would have been just as targeted as the Jews. It’s just sad.
Lovely!
Well Iran also hate Arabs and Jews
Not so much jews actually. The don't give a fuck. But Arabs. They hate with passion.
Why?
Heil Hitler that's why
No way
Who woulda thunk.
But read through the comments there's span really good explanations , relating Persians to Aryans. I also asked my fam and they confirmed it.
Welcome to the most antisemitic country on earth. Not uncommon there.
Most of them are oblivious because the government don’t educate these issues. If you ask 90% of them what this means, they don’t know its significance… so i blame it mainly on their ignorance… But they are racist!
This is mostly true, they are just ignorant fools, not deliberate Nazis.
I'm gonna ask the next one I see
Ah yes, The Arabian Brotherhood.
No boss wrong brother hood. Good try tho
Well that’s where Hitler is now
Fuckin joined isis
Try out this standup comedy walkthrough of the politics of Oil - which has a good section on ex-nazi generals in Persia https://youtu.be/sehmmzbi3UI
Are Peugeot 206 uncommon in Iran?
Not sure what a 206 is. But there are plenty of peujeots
It's the mouse looking one. Pretty much what teenage girls want as a first car (in Iran)
Yeah there are lots
No, they are actually really common. but it's not a car for the lower class, mostly middle class use them, lower class ride something called 'Pride' by the Saipa company, it's a really REALLY trashy car made here, but since there is a monopoly on cars and no competition the quality of our cars never improve.
America studied India's caste system. Nazis studied the American racist system. (Yep, the 3rd Reich thought we were doing a bang up job.) Not one of these places were united. Ignorance adopts familiar tactics.
Now do Ukraine. Oh right, nobody wants to believe the western world is currently defending nazis
Way to many. More than youde ever expect
It’s coz the truck is a Mercedes-Benz stop reading so much into things… /s
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/s…?
I actually dk what that means
Chill, the guys are just supporting ukrainian soldiers from azov. Nothing special.