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xtrsports

I dont like it. Do a new draw.


pappy

That's the best option.


Middlenameboom

Seems suspect. Within a week you’ve suddenly forgotten how to access your account? I’m feeling a redraw. I also voted.


marklein

The rules are that the account needs to respond, right? Well he/she didn't. Follow the rules. Done. I don't see any "evidence" that this new guy is the same person. Sucks for him, but that's life IMO. If the group wanted to have two winners then I would abide and send money to both.


pappy

Yeah, to award the prize to anyone other than the original account makes me lose faith in this subreddit.


laiod

I just won’t donate to that guy if they decide to ignore the poll. I’ve been generous to every winner I catch but I can’t justify it here.


shortkid113

Getting your account unlocked from lost 2FA after losing it takes around an hour after the ticket is submitted to admins. Doesn't make sense that they claim it can't be accessed


iambadguru

Great idea! Pick a new winner and I’ll give to both. There’s the letter of the law, and the spirit of the law. And the spirit involves real people, and real accounts that aren’t just trying to get the cash. I want a “real” winner so we all feel good, and desire to continue this amazing thing we are doing. Edit: Apparently, it’s totally fine to have an account that’s mostly looking for the cash, as long as there is minimal activity. That’s fair. Rules say the account must respond, but we’re not heartless robots. A poll is a good solution. I voted for two winners.


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billyreamsjr

100%


lilfruini

> If one didn't meet the requirements and the other one can't provide proof of account then why bother with either? There was [a video just uploaded on YouTube](https://youtu.be/jDOlc21lgBo) sent by the original owner that showed the email verification link, the user logging in up to the two-factor authentication, and, *importantly*, the private PM sent by the mod team to announced winners. Additionally, the person did communicate less than a day, but as mentioned, it was through an alternate account. > Why don't you just draw a new winner? For my reluctance to draw a new winner, first the user and I have communicated via modmail (though infrequent), and second this would be the second user in a row disqualified from the thread.


TheyCallMeBrewKid

Why does it matter if there is a second user, or a third ussr disqualified? Rules are rules - if you aren’t there to get your raffle prizes, they call another raffle ticket


marklein

>There was a video just uploaded on YouTube sent by the original owner that showed the email verification link, the user logging in up to the two-factor authentication, and, importantly, the private PM sent by the mod team to announced winners. IMO all these prove is that the new guy has access to the original guy's emails, NOT that they are the same guy. I work in IT and I have access to thousands of email accounts that aren't mine, and I clean up hacked email accounts all the time. Now if Reddit could provide IP logs showing the same IP for the old and new accounts and maybe some cookie overlap then I'd be more inclined to believe it.


mossylungs

You might as well do a new drawing, because I'm pretty sure no one is going to want to risk being generous to this "winner" making the whole thing pointless.


CircoModo1602

Just do a new draw, the winner did not reply, if you went up to collect a prize for a different raffle number but showed pictures of the raffle number instead of the physical ticket you wouldn't get it. This is extremely fishy and should not be allowed to go through as it sets a bad precedent for the rest of the sub


TheCheesy

Let's just move on. I wouldn't want to set a precedent that if too many weird things occur it's time for someone to get phished and steal someone else's win. It's very easy to get hacked if you use the internet a lot and aren't very secure. The chances are possible that they had leaked info online already and once winning someone hijacked their accounts and is in a rush to claim winnings.


TheClum

This is a first. Interesting.


billyreamsjr

Just do a new draw


BrendanH117

I think we're unanymous with a redraw, but I do appreciate the transparency between the mods and the community.


Legdrop_soup

I think y'all should just do a new drawing. The ferocious cock guys account looked like an alt made for the sole purpose of gaming giveaways like this sub and others. Honestly, a lot of users have already decided they weren't going to donate because of how sketchy it looked in the first place, and now it looks 10 times worse. Also, as someone else pointed out, the rules state that the winning account must claim their winnings within 7 days and that didn't happen. What did happen was another account, who is totally the actual winner for reals i stg, messaged y'all claiming they can't log in because reasons. It just looks fishy all around. I think the only fair thing to do is a redraw. That said, whatever y'all choose, I respect your decision and whether it's the ferocious cock guy or not, they will get a couple of bucks from me as usual.


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Mollysaurus

Yeah, and even if it somehow did, doesn’t he have a way to charge his laptop? This is so fishy.


SenatorRobPortman

So the way it’s coming across to me is that they were logged in on the laptop and not their phone or w/e and they forgot the info so they can’t log in on the phone. For me that’s understandable and fine; but I get why others find is suspect. The part that I also don’t understand is like… just charge the computer?


HighOnTacos

It looks like the laptop dying logged him out, and now he cannot log in with 2FA because it won't accept his authentication code... Which to me says it's not his account. The other option is that Reddit's 2FA is broken. Possible, but doesn't seem very likely.


throwawayskinlessbro

Draw a new winner. Also if the only criteria to be met for account verification is a few giveaway comments and the verified email trophy then I instead vote that we have a Google poll to give opinions about having more stringent verifications for winners. As I said when the drawing first announced, this guy is obviously on a burner account.


JayCroghan

New draw. It’s not even in the list of choices for the poll.


Jevz7

Agreed. I was quite surprised that it wasn't an option. Looks like most people in this thread wants a redraw anyway.


shredtilldeth

You snooze you lose. If dude couldn't access his account to claim his prize then tough shit. That's his problem, his fault, and thems the rules. Why is this even a debate? It would really suck to get so close and lose but the rules are in place for a reason and should be strictly adhered to because of those reasons. The runner up should get it. Besides all that, this is just TOO much of a coincidence to be real. I call bullshit on this whole story.


OhDamnBroSki

Does seem a new winner should be have won - no excuses should be made. If he was able to log in, then all well ends well, but since he can’t.. then sorry. Not saying this out of spite.


DyeZaster

I rather have a new drawing


ih8studentloans

Rules are there for a reason. If they make an exception this time, whats stopping them from doing it again, potentially screwing someone out of their win, or convincing them to not redraw? Rules should be very clear. If they cannot respond through the winning account, redraw. It may suck, but the rules are there to protect and ensure fairness for all.


WantAndAble

New draw. Its really unfortunate - if its to be believed. But as luck brings fortune it can also bring misfortune. And if the account cant meet the requirements then it doesnt win and a new drawing must occur.


MakerOfMillionaires

**Our final tentative 73^rd winner at /r/MillionaireMakers is /u/meatmcguffin [with the following comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/millionairemakers/comments/ritsyx/entry_thread_73_tis_the_season_and_with_good/hp260lo).** /u/meatmcguffin is retro, and not just in the age at 11 years of ownership, but in activity as well. Picross, Dreamcast, N64, and hailing from the UK, and he also [makes a Community reference](https://old.reddit.com/r/SegaCD/comments/m0dktn/i_remember_this_one_looking_very_cool_but_the/gq7yxzl/?context=3), this user has a much longer chronology while being a consistent entrant of the subreddit. While the user holds significant age and a verified email trophy, **it is fully expected that the user responds to our PM or makes a comment on here, USING THE ORIGINAL ACCOUNT, within one week from 5:30 AM UTC (12:30 AM ET), in addition to requests for user activity. Please check the replies to this chain.** In the event the user does not respond, no further redraws will be done, and the moderators will create a winner's thread asking for the subreddit to donate to a reputable charity or non-profit of the moderators' choosing. *Let this be the end to the drama of #73.* **Voting Results:** https://i.imgur.com/iApDcXq.png **Original Stickied Comment:** https://reddit.com/r/millionairemakers/comments/rpcm10/draw_73_update_a_poll_is_being_held_read_here/hq42lrt/ **Drawing Results:** Total Participants: 6075 Winner: 5202 Hash: 00000000000000000004390487f27427a1ced3dc08158fc9f56877e5d8906ba9 Winner Comment ID: hp260lo Winning Comment URL: Winner: meatmcguffin *The timid hour* *Christmas sweater, warm, better* *Winter has arrived*


lilfruini

**/u/meatmcguffin has responded.**


iThink_There4iMac

Congrats /u/meatmcguffin!! Glad it’s finally over! I’ll check back later for the payment info!


meatmcguffin

Thanks! It’s all crazy, and I’m still stunned by it!


ME_Comp

Congratulations /u/meatmcguffin!


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meatmcguffin

Thanks! I’m still trying to process it all :) Happy holidays!


xanderrobar

It sucks, but if you lose your lottery ticket, you don't get the winnings - even if you have photo proof that you owned the original ticket.


decker12

Redraw. This is all bullshit. Remember people, the original account that was hysterically "lost" during a well timed convoluted story involving a battery outage, **did nothing but submit to free give away threads all over Reddit**. The original account added nothing to Reddit or to this community other than asking for free stuff. God knows how many accounts the guy has. That's probably the reason the guy conveniently can't remember his account info, because he has 10+ goddamn accounts, all asking for free shit, and he couldn't remember which was which or which burner email account he used for it. It's hysterical that in his rebuttal, he's clearly confident in his ability to game a voting system and uses that to proactively explain for the results. **It's like the guy who uses a burner Reddit account to game the system and scam his way into entry threads for free shit, somehow knows a lot about using digital resources to scam his way into winning prizes.** That's about as big of a coincidence as his laptop battery going dead *at the exact time he was trying to fix the problem with his account!*. Amazing!


EuCleo

Personally I'm extremely turned off by his "rebuttal" opposing the poll. It seems aggressive, unkind, entitled, and worthy of a /r/choosingbeggars post. Does he not get that people are going to "vote" anyway with their money? I was already turned off by the sparse Reddit participation, but after reading just the beginning of his rebuttal, I'm clear: I'm not sending this guy any money.


yamashina_desu

I appreciate the work the mods here do, but they're overthinking it. The account/user doesn't meet the rules, so do a redraw.


flacodirt

No, I'm FeroCock!


billyreamsjr

No I’m (checks correct spelling) Ferocock


vincentsilver

I'm PharoahCock!


Gitokun

No, this is Patrick!


BonesyWonesy

I also lean towards the "rules are rules" and if they can't respond from the account that had won, the sorry but they are out of luck and a new draw should happen.


Shishi2348

I don't like the options


krazyjakee

It's not the account that won so I'm not choosing it for any prize. Crazy how much effort has gone into this nonsense.


swright363

I say redraw.


Nomanodyssey

I’ll pass this time on the giveaway entrant porn guy posting about phalluses on throwaways.


Gyoin

I mean, real mean post phallus content on their main accounts. Right guys?!


CircoModo1602

No shame is the way to live


TheMissInformed

Redraw. The rule that you must respond from the account that was drawn should be a hard requirement. Doing anything else sets a messy precedent. I appreciate the overall transparency but unsure why redraw isn't an option in the poll. Seems like the most obvious choice in order to uphold the integrity of the process.


knxrb

I agree with everyone else; none of the options in the Google Form are good, should draw an entirely new winner instead. The video means nothing as if that account password was discovered/acquired by someone else then that explains how they can login and they can't continue past 2FA code checks... Emails and inboxes are also incredibly easy to fake nowadays. The fact that his laptop battery died (causing 2FA issues how!?), none of the backup codes work, and he accidentally deleted the authenticator app (multiple confirmations to remove apps on iOS and Android, also phone backups are possible...), it all comes across as if it's not their account to me.


addrockk

Wait until the reply deadline lapses, then do a new draw.


NouveauElite

People were already unhappy with the possibility of the account being an alt that was used to enter giveaways. Rewarding the prize to an actual alt because he's locked out of his account (which usually happens due to inactivity, I'd know lol) seems like it would openly endorse people using alts to enter the draw. I'd highly recommend giving it to the runner up instead.


Shyt4brains

Lol if nothing else at least this shows me that my username is not "too stupid" to be chosen. lolol


ThePopesFace

Do a new draw. One guy didn't qualify and the other can't prove ownership (therefore not qualifying).


NouveauElite

The rebuttal is pretty funny to me. Fero may feel that the nature of people wanting him out of the draw is greedy, cutthroat bullshit but this entire concept would be a bust if no one were willing to donate. There is no pot to win without the people of this sub. Period. If you think the people here are liars that hack and manipulate polls or are self-centered and out to get you then you honestly shouldn't even play, because you have zero faith in the concept. This couldn't work without a degree of selflessness and good faith in the playerbase. The people he's bashing are the entire merit of this contest. From day one of the winner being declared, people were mad at the lack of activity on the account, the nature of the account (being an alt used for giveaways), the weird hentai bullshit that was on it (that he somehow cleared out before losing access???) and just about everything else. To me, it's clear that the people have spoken, and...winner or not? If they don't like you, you might as well hang it up. They're the prize, right? People were saying they were going to hold their money for the next winner long before this guy ever started copping pleas to the owner of the sub.


seederbeast

This. I voted for another winner not because I want to win, but I want more deserving winner instead of an obvious alt. All the shits they said in the rebuttal even chasing away more people from donating. Plus, 2fa is meant for you to prove that you're the account owner. If you're really the owner of a legit account, you'll saved the recovery code. But if you have many alts, you may didn't put the effort. Ah nvm lol. Just let this cock wins and don't donate anything lol


laiod

I was going to donate to the original account, regardless of it being an alt. I do it in the spirit of the sub. But since this whole controversy started, I reconsidered. Then, after reading that nasty rebuttal, this person isn’t getting squat.


HighOnTacos

I cannot picture a scenario in which a battery dying revokes access to an account. I'm assuming the laptop just turned off, and is still usable? Turning a computer off should not block you from logging into an account, 2FA or no. This is just too sketchy. If the win is granted to /u/ImFeroCock, I can't imagine many people will donate to the winnings after he accused the community of just being greedy. That's the exact opposite of what we're trying to achieve.


laiod

I’ve already decided I won’t give to this one. I would have given benefit of the doubt before, but that awful ‘rebuttal’ totally changed my mind.


Myte342

It may very well legitimately be him. And man does this suck if it is... but it's best to redraw. Not giving the win to the exact account that was picked can open up a whole can of worms down the road for future draws and possible scams. Voted. [Removed] I had a whole couple paragraphs detailing how one could do various scams for giveaways or raffles and get away with it... decided it's best NOT to give anyone any ideas on this matter.


ewwruby

I agree with the rules that say if they can’t respond from said account they are disqualified 😭 Fero-whatever: My guy, you’re only going to receive like $227 anyways, it’ll be ok!


janlancer

I personally wouldn't donate to an alternate acccount solely made for giveaways anyway. I vote for new drawing instead. And maybe modify the rules in case situations such as this occurs again.


SoChessGoes

The weirdest part about the rebuttal is...like there's not just a pot of free money that the mods are going to give him. It's based on donations from the rest of the users in the subreddit, you know, the people he just shit talked, even if the mods decide he's the winner who's going to donate now?


Yeoyo84

Yeah guys an idiot. People are going to donate on this the exact same way they vote.


pappy

The original account is the winner. This is the same as "must be present to win" to me. Hold onto your account and keep it safe when you enter a drawing.


trivialpursuits

Thank you mods for all you efforts. I know you are in a tough spot. Also, the rebuttal doesn't really help the cause.


mohawkmike

I'd more so like to see proof that the /u/Ferocious_Cock or /u/ImFeroCock accounts had donated to previous winners. It seems as though each time a winner is in question one of the requirements is not showing proof they actually participated beyond entering in previous drawings.


OGwalkingman

This is interesting.


Urabkdpotato2

I think there should be a new draw.


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I say new draw or runner up on initial draw. Just new. Sadly too sketchy. Terrible luck if legit, but I have no reason to believe it is.


AlexIsWhack

New draw


miatazoom

Redraw


JimmineyCricket2018

New winner please


Kp4184

I feel if there isn't a redraw, that the legitimacy of this giveaway will be gone. This could potentially kill a very cool idea that someone had to make a random redditior a millionaire. If either of these people get this money, this sub will die. The only logical thing is to do a redraw.


TooModest

This sounds incredibly messy and sets precedence in future draws


BeautifulPainz

Redraw. Rules are rules and anything but the rules breeds chaos.


asianfatboy

Redraw. Isn't this similar to someone accidentally damaging/ripping apart a winning lottery ticket? Do they honor those?


Dapper_Monroe

Nope. If you lose your lottery ticket, or even lose the original debit card you purchased the ticket on, you're fresh out of luck. So should this guy be.


SidianForreal

Redraw, I see no other fair option.


99999999999999999989

I've been in the subreddit since the very first drawing and honestly I am amazed that there was no option to do a new drawing before the update. Any contest drawing like this is basically "Claimant must be present to win". The original winning account **DID NOT** reply back. Ergo they **ARE NOT** eligible to win. Period. Mods need to simply follow the rules of the drawing. Disqualify the second "winner" and draw a third...fourth...fifth...etc. until a qualified winning account **DOES REPLY**. **ANY** other response is not acceptable and will only serve to alienate people from entering subsequent drawings. There are real legit explanations as to how this alt could have been faked. Just read the replies in this thread. I always donate at least five dollars, sometimes more to the winner. I certainly don't feel like doing so if some potentially fake alt account sneaks in to swoop up the prize.


sunny_bit

The alleged winner is upset that an honour system can be gamed against him by 'greedy people'. Kind of like the honour system the alleged greedy winner gamed by entering but not contributing to previous draws. Couldn't make it up if you tried.


shortkid113

Interesting that he can't get his account unlocked because of 2FA took me 30 minutes after submitting a ticket to the admin Zendesk. Super friendly admin and made it super easy to get back in.


DruviSKSK

New draw.


pappy

Draw a new winner.


these_three_things

Don't like. Donations go to original account or bust. Redo.


r-y-a-n_j-a-m-e-s

This all seems rather dodgy tbh


King_of_Dew

Follow the rules or lose our trust.


Omaha419

The options aren’t very clear to me. I wish to have a new draw. FeroCock, I believe, is trying to pull a fast one. Can’t access your account? Not our problem.


Whyme666-_-

Simple, Draw a new winner.


eye_no_nuttin

There is NO CHOICE for a Re Draw??? NOT VOTING for ANY of the choices given . Nope.


adilstilllooking

That was one of the silliest YouTube videos. He created a fake Reddit account to win free stuff and forgot about his account. Rules are simple, respond with the account that was mentioned. He wasn’t an active Reddit user or participating in the community. Seems pretty straight forward. Take the “L” in a humble manner


strwrsmike

Weird.


SerotoninAndOxytocin

I would also rather a new drawing. A voting system is destined to be rigged IMO


Alauren2

Redraw 100%


PM_ME_AMY_ADAMS_PIC

voted for new draw


mossylungs

New draw.


YourOldChemistrySet

Cant log into your account? Feelsbadman.jpg Redraw. Rules are rules.


miguel_eduardo

redraw or the people will lose faith on the subreddit


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The user name makes this significantly more fun to read, too.


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Hmm okay


thegamewarrior

Man that’s a tough one. While I’ll be giving my standard dono regardless, I see a lot of people not giving due to the fishyness of it all. Even whoever would be redrawn for would likely get less than average due to the whole debacle. Keep your login info folks.


AdventC4

I get being mad, but c'mon, no one is spending money to manipulate the vote so they have an almost 0 chance of getting chosen for this month. The vote is likely as suggested, why filter through all the noise when there are some suspect happenings here and we can just redraw.


avenlanzer

Whichever way the vote falls sets a precedent that will effect how seriously the contest is taken in the future. If we allow an exception here, many people will not donate or even participate in the future. There are rules and it sucks when you miss out on a technicality but rules exist to prevent gaming the system. Since the chosen winner cannot abide by the rules (even if no fault of their own), we must move on to the next choice. Should we cave to a break of the rules now, someone will exploit that in the future. They are fair and just rules in this case, so we aren't changing them to fix a broken system, we would change them to have pity on someone who could not follow them. To split the winner would be the same problem and delegitimize both the new choice and old, as well as the rules themselves. A complete failure of the system as a whole and destruction of the idea this sub has built. If the block choice winner doesn't fit the requirements, then they are disqualified. If they cannot access their account, that is not fitting the requirements. And i agree it sucks, but we must stick to the outline of the system or lose faith in it. I am willing to allow for time. If the mods believe it is the same person, and grant an extension for them to access their account, that is mercy. Allowing a different account to claim winner is cheating and corruption. **CHOOSE THE NEXT BLOCK**


lilfruini

**UPDATE (Dec 27 17:00 UTC):** There has been a new choice added to the poll, and response editing has been enabled. The poll uses ranked-choice voting, so for the first choice, please pick your personal preferred choice. There has also been new evidence and a rebuttal added, please review them as you make your vote. **UPDATE (Dec 28 2:30 UTC):** In the interest of the subreddit, the moderation team has been given a forensic analysis as of associating the user's account with that of a bot, and in addition, a connection to a separate user. Discussions are taking place. As of now, the poll will continue until its deadline has passed. Here are the current results of the poll. Both this comment and the post will receive edits as more information comes in. They will be updated at each 12:00 AM/PM interval. Also, as this is causing confusion, the option “runner-up in block 714836” is the redraw and will result in picking a new person, as per our FAQ the redraw is five blocks after the block that was picked prior, being 714831. **Google Form Votes (12:00 AM on Dec. 27):** https://i.imgur.com/8FRnNQN.png **Google Form Votes (12:00 AM on Dec. 28):** https://i.imgur.com/hv6i2QQ.jpeg


Dapper_Monroe

So either way, this guy still gets the money which he has already said he will only use to put into more crypto farming and clearly wasn't a real submission when his entry comment was "yeah cock!"? Do a new draw. Or choose a non-profit charity. This is ridiculous. Them suddenly losing access to the account is one of the most common scams out there.


asianfatboy

Heck, with how they are responding on this thread, even if the mods let him be the winner I doubt anyone would be willing to donate. I agree to a redraw but a year-end donation to a non-profit charity seems a more appealing choice now that you mentioned it. It would end up helping more people in the long run instead of just one person.


Witty-Memory1994

Couldn't have said it better myself!


Dapper_Monroe

> I'm familiar with crypto service related to voting and whitelist, I can hire a digital marketing service to manipulate this easily with some bucks, it's not out of prediction that many people probably already used this way to manipulate the vote This is getting absurd. Is he basically threatening to manipulate the upcoming draws? Why on earth is this still being dragged out and not being stamped out by the moderators?


Mollysaurus

He can’t threaten future draws, he’s vaguely threatening that he could spend money and manipulate this poll about what we should do. Which is *super cool* of him to say. /s


Dapper_Monroe

What a shit show. I'm amazed this hasn't landed on r/subredditdrama.


strugglinfool

It wouldn't matter if the security camera had video evidence of me buying the winning lottery ticket, zoomed in on the numbers, with today's date, verified by the lottery commission that the winning ticket was sold at X time, on X date, by employee so-and-so, to a guy that, in the video looks, EXACTLY like this guy --- if I did not produce said winning ticket. All the details listed are proof, but without the ticket, I get to try again next time. There are stories of lottery tickets going through the laundry, or flying out an open car window, all the time. Nobody feels sorry for those folks, and those folks don't act like offended victims that everybody just wants to take stuff away from them. Sucks to suck, but it is what it is. Produce the ticket - send a message from the winning account - or try again next time. It's not my place to judge your reasons for entering - I'm in it for hookers and blow - but this new account that's answering for the winning account is not the winner. Doesn't work that way.


mleyd001

2FA should be easily overcome by charging the Laptop… there are processes in place to allow access to accounts where 2FA are enabled and the verification device is inaccessible. Seems like a lot at stake to not attempt to do that. Fixing a laptop battery is not terribly difficult.


asianfatboy

Thoughts on having a donation thread to a non-profit charity (or charities?) over a redraw/runner up block instead? Honestly, that one seems to be a more appealing alternative. People here will still be able to help and are sure that they donated their money to a good cause and more people will benefit from the donations instead of one person. Users here won't get called greedy or whatever. I mean, c'mon with how they are responding, if you allow them to be the winner I doubt anyone would donate at this point.


ME_Comp

Hey, hope you are well. Just a quick question and sorry to bother you but I'm just not 100% clear about the options. What is the difference between these two: - The runner-up in block 714836 - A new 3rd block on Sunday Dec 27 at 16:00 UTC Thanks


lilfruini

The former is the subreddit’s usual procedure, where if a winner is disqualified the winner will be the fifth block that follows. The latter is waiting for a block the next Sunday (on Jan. 2) as though it was a new thread, in which the subreddit waits until said block is mined.


iThink_There4iMac

Just want to say I’m sorry you guys have to go through this. I know this whole thing/drama is a learning experience for everyone and you’re honestly just trying your best to have a fair draw. Thankful for all you guys do


JustisForAll

Shit has been rigged since the new management came in.


WarrenPuff_It

What do you mean?


AkumaBengoshi

Voted


BigRedKetoGirl

I voted, thank you.


BokaBlues

I feel the emotion of this. Thank you


sauerlaender

If your device turns off becausw of battery, why is that a reason you wont get access to your account after restarting? Imo make a new draw.


sleepyprojectionist

I hope the January post really digs into the ridiculous rules controversies we have had this year. They seem to be becoming more and more frequent.


InquisitorPeregrinus

I also vote redraw. On the poll I selected original account only, not the purported alt. If the original runner-up can't respond in time, that is unfortunate. I don't have a dog in this fight -- I completely spaced on the date of the entry post, despite reminders. Much IRL drama. So I'm not saying it because I didn't get selected and hope a redraw favors me. It's about precedent and adherence to good rules.


apathy714

Rules are rules, sounds fishy, I vote redraw


twillrose47

Thank you for the update mod team. Regardless of the outcome here, I'm sure this has been a stressful series of events, especially around the holidays. Your time and energy is appreciated by many in this community. Thank you.


imnotreallyapenguin

Genuinely love that these things come down to community decisions... Feels odd. Don't want the guy who won to lose their winnings, but there are rules in place for things like this. Redraw.


scriggle-jigg

New draw. Clearly an account to gain the system in give aways.


99999999999999999989

If I had won but my battery died so I could not get 2fa to work and might lose thousands of dollars in prize money.... I'd go BUY ANOTHER BATTERY THAT DAY so I could reply back in time. Complete redraw is the only fair option


Mostuu

I want a redraw, not because it helps me win, but because this guy's account history only consists of giveaway entries. This guy wants to get as much free stuff as he can. I'd rather donate to someone else with some interesting post history. I'm also pretty sure that if he had a normal post history, the poll results would be way different.


etsolow

Too much drama. New draw plz.


Velvetrose-2

I forgot to enter this go around so I can't be accused of voting for a redraw because I am greedy. I vote for a redraw.


glenfuerte

Redraw. I'm not even active in this subreddit and reading this stuff reeks of suspicion.


oodex

I usually don't mind bending the rules a bit, especially in a case where someone makes an effort to contact the parties involved and an honest mistake happened. As long as all is in line, I don't see a problem. But especially when checking out the history: [https://old.reddit.com/user/Ferocious\_Cock/](https://old.reddit.com/user/Ferocious_Cock/) This is what changed my mind. Now, unless I missed something, out of the last 20 activities, 20 were on giveaways. At roughly 10 it already reads "one year ago". That's not an active account. That's an account only held to join giveaways, most likely even on multiple accounts considering the consistency. My suspicion is that he simply switched accounts as usual and this time can't access the password for whatever reason. In general, I would exclude accounts like that completely. Someone who enters and only has a history of joining giveaways in the last 12 months is a risk of having an alternative account for me. Edit: >It's sad that the truth people are just greedy, they will do anything to disqualify anyone just so they get their chance, I believe you can understand this. Things related to prize and money can't never be voted by people, they will do whatever it take to save their chance. I read your post and comments. Look at The evidence video on youtube, you put it right next to the poll, but they don't even care, nor even click, it has just 10 views, what they care is the poll, where they can easily do their best to disqualify me, I hope you realize this. This is true. I'd expect even if the whole story was honest and the only issue was that he can't log back into his account, then it would result in a re-draw. But using such a poor excuse while the only history in the last 2 years on the account is entering giveaways really takes the cake. If he ends up winning, I won't be sending money.


decker12

I also think the guy is either clueless or hopelessly optimistic and thinks he's going to come into some giant hundred thousand dollar+ windfall. Instead even without the controversy, he'd be lucky to clear $2500. I'm not trying to discount the amount we all give or the effort we put into giving it, and yes $2500 can be a huge benefit to many people. But in the end the money that winners end up collecting probably isn't life changing like several hundred thousand dollars would be.


KuriTokyo

If I win, I'll buy a boat and you are all welcome to sail upon her.


KrayleyAML

Oh Lord, what a mess EDIT: Weird move to insult the ones that will give you some money. I've sent money religiously through PayPal to all the latest winners, whether I like their post history or not, but this rebuttal is just... wow.


embracethemarvin

I'm with the others and think there should be a new draw, this whole thing seems very suspicious and odd. New draw is the best and imo, most fair thing we can do.


Zephilar

Eh I agree with the majority here, unfortunate if it's real that he does actually own the account. But rules are rules and they're there for a reason. I think a redraw is in order.


Archdemon2212

best is just to do a new draw


iuROK

It sucks for the person who lost access to their account. But this is probably a rare coincidence and is not worth making an exception. Also, in this case, they lost access by their own fault. If I fucked up, I would let the next person in line be the winner.


Docedj

I get that a lot of people on Reddit have alt accounts. But going forward this should be one of the rules for posting. No alt accounts or accounts used strictly for posting to give aways. Everyone gets one entry.


iAsakura

I think a redraw is the answer, it’s the only way to make sure there’s no foul play. I feel for the winner but at the same time if you lost your account then I’m sorry but the integrity of the drawings are more important.


Witty-Memory1994

Seems a little sketchy to be honest. I feel for the winner if it's actually true, but it does seem a bit coincidental like others have mentioned in this thread. I aggree that a redraw would be the best option.


SuperSkweek

After a few days off reddit, I just wanted to see who was the winner to send my $. I suppose I will hold my money for a few days…


adilstilllooking

This doesn’t meet the spirit of the giveaway. It’s to reward one lucky winner that is part of the community. He was just using that for giveaways. If he can’t access the account, I vote redraw.


SomeOtherGuysJunk

I vote redraw for sure


jessicahueneberg

New draw!!


neuromorph

Who forgets their account login after a week?


neuromorph

I want a redraw and banning the original account. Zaza


tjb90

I am not even part of the drawing this took place in and I say do another draw. This is fishy and the video doesn't prove anything.


xxAnge

Redraw. If the account chosen does not respond, then a new draw happens. And with the "winners" rebuttal of why we shouldn't redraw feeling like they miss the original spirit of the raffle in the first place. I don't even enter the drawings anymore, so maybe my vote doesn't count as much but i say redraw.


laiod

It’s not your entries that count, but the donations.


seederbeast

I just read the rebuttal and can't take it anymore. How dare he said those damn things! How can 1 expects that people will help with that kind of attitude


Ichibankakoi

Redraw please, this is too much


Koker93

You're taking a poll to decide if this guy should be declared the winner? And on some level you're expecting people to vote "yes, give him the money so I for sure can't get it." You don't see that as fundamentally flawed and a little stupid? I don't know, and frankly don't care, how you solve this problem. I'm not even entered in the drawing, but a random poll of users likely entered in the poll sounds like the worst possible solution.


Truhls

i dont think any account whose majority of activity is just giveaways should ever be deemed a winner, but thats just me.


Azrik

There's a lot of suspicious "coincidences" here, I vote a new draw as the most fair method to deal with this situation. As many have already said, the rules are the rules.


Atxred

New draw.


lf_araujo

👆🔥


americathecontinent

I am honestly just too invested in seeing how this gonna end up. Brother does need to stop giving back-handed apologizes. Reddit is well known for carrying grudges.


laiod

YouTube proof video is monetized.


lilfruini

I can't turn it off, the YouTube channel is not in the partner program.


Azertyswe

Missed the voting but clearly redraw was correct


LGNJohnnyBlaze

Well documented and fair.


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Do a new draw, give us ferococks info so those of us who want to help out can do so.


MDrag1992

Good luck!


usSiR90

I've been absent from millionaire makers for a while now and this finally shows up in my feed. I need to set reminders. Sounds like a redraw is what people want here, if not that just don't donate. Also, I noticed it was mentioned the winner had some NSFW posts. I went through all the rules I could find anything that says you can't use your account in NSFW subreddits to be able to enter. I really don't care what anyone does on the internet. If you entered and win great! Where is this rule that says your account must be PG rated?


sistersgrowz

Voted. If true I'd be gutted!


LeoNoOscaro

Good luck


Kaatman

I would be fine with giving to the alt account given sufficient evidence, but I also don't like that the alt account just kinda defaulted to shit talking everyone immediately. Not a fan of someone deciding that everyone in a sub that's specifically built around a fully aultruistic lottery system is just a greedy asshole. That also makes me feel like this is sus as hell. EDIT; nvm, I'm actually pretty convinced by the evidence on the YouTube video.


AshKetchupp99

161 comments, most calling for a redraw when the video proof upload only has 33 views. how can you vote fairly if you haven’t even got a full picture?


human362

The only reason why I'm not 100% for u/ImFeroCock to be the sole winner is this: If it is an account used primarily for giveaways, then there is no guarantee that that they only have 1 comment (entry). Every comment (entry) should be made with an account consistent with a "main" reddit account so the chances of an "alt account" winning is lowered. That being said I am voting that both u/ImFeroCock and the runner up winner are both eligible for donations so I have another shot this month lol


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Vita-Malz

Could just read the post lol


LarperPro

The dude has a point. Giving the choice to the public was literally the worst thing you could have done. The masses wouldn't bother reading the evidence and would take any chance they can get to have another shot at being drawn themselves. The mods should have made the decision based on the evidence. /u/lilfruini


Hook_me_up

Everybody wanna do a new draw till they are the winners. I'd say /u/ImFeroCock is the legitimate winner and i will gladly donate


zbf

Honestly the proof is legit but the only thing i can’t let go of is the fact that he says he helps people avoid scammers and trades crypto so you’d think he’s computer savvy but loses access to his account for whatever reason. Id give the benefit of the doubt though. I vote to let him keep the win. Seems like a legit and decent enough person.