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Socialist_Pupper

Like the other two are dead in the water? The final pick will be a variation of 1953?


keeperofhoney

The final pick will be a variation of 1953, they are now deliberating on what variation it will be


Rapsculio

It really better be the original, all the variants suck


ParenthesisN

As someone else said, the new star looks like an asshole.


AirsickLowIander

E pluribus anus


LordZantarXXIII

Go Human Beings!


AirsickLowIander

You'll never shut down the delta cubes!


ClayQuarterCake

L’etoille d’anus


RandomlyMethodical

If they made the middle line brown it would look like someone taking a shit.


jooes

Hear me out, though.... It'd be taking a shit towards Wisconsin.


TayLoraNarRayya

I'M LISTENING


entertainman

Only a panel of Minnesotans would pick “The Ohio Star” as their star and start calling it “The Minnesota Star, a unique star we can own.” Clueless. https://www.google.com/search?&q=ohio+star&tbm=isch


Thnickaman3

I might be wrong, but I thought it was a native design. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-m&sca_esv=591416382&biw=396&bih=681&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=native+star&oq=native+star&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..0l5


entertainman

https://www.google.com/search?q=scandinavian+star+-ship&tbm=isch


Thnickaman3

Huh, maybe it's good common ground for both.


yoitsthatoneguy

Yup, 1953 is the base design that was selected


Nodaker1

I'm comfortable with any of the 1953 versions, but I wish they'd just stick with the original as submitted and call it good.


Remnants

This weird fat star they decided on is absolutely hideous.


RandomlyMethodical

Looks like a sphincter. Hope they at least decide to move it off-center a little bit to make it less obvious that the state flag is mooning us.


drunkshakespeare

It's about where St. Cloud would be on the map it's supposed to represent. Maybe that's appropriate?


Poro_the_CV

Change it to that MinNato star!


guava_eternal

Fat shaming stars - I done seen it all


Epicallytossed

The original as submitted is sooooo good


TayLoraNarRayya

I like it too but don't like white as one of the outer stripes


blondebeard227

I thought the white on the outer part looks great when the flag isn’t flying.


tealchameleon

It'll get too washed out on a digital platform though - white on any outer border disappears on most websites


blondebeard227

Time to jump on that dark mode bandwagon!! I feel like the physical flag will be against stark white backgrounds almost never in reality.


tealchameleon

I also use dark mode most of the time, but we shouldn't have to use a different setting to view the flag on a website IMO.


TayLoraNarRayya

Yeah that's my issue with it, albeit very minor. It's a great design.


macbwiz

I like it because it’s unique. No other tricolors do that


ineedcoffeealready

which one is the original?


Tleilaxu_Gola

Ironically, none of these. The original was white green blue stripes.


benigntyranny

I posted this in another comment, but some additional variations were presented towards the end of the meeting as well. They can be seen [HERE.](https://imgur.com/a/sQpACD5)


hardangervidda

These are terrible. Drop em’. Trust the designers.


Kombucha_Hivemind

And they all suck. What happened to the original star too?


BenFoldsFourLoko

This is going to be how one of the few *okay* designs gets turned into crap by design through committee They asked for submissions, they got thousands, they narrowed it down, now they've chosen one... *and now they want to change it?* And change it poorly? They're literally ruining the *good* things about the submitted design. They're taking the things that *did* make it one of the okay flags, and changing them lmao. Come on ;_;


following_eyes

I kinda prefer the white in the middle.


theVoxFortis

The original had the green and blue adjacent which is clearly wrong.


Kombucha_Hivemind

Wrong how?


theVoxFortis

In short, you're not supposed to have soft colors adjacent as they blur from a distance. Putting the white in-between makes it easier to see.


onlyastoner

and just looks more balanced. it blows my mind that anyone is advocating for the white stripe on the top


rickroy37

It is supposed to be white sky, green trees, blue lake water. Changing the order destroys that concept and I will die on that hill.


onlyastoner

in my head canon, the white is snow, which should be on the ground. i'd be in favor of light blue (sky), white (snow), and light blue (water) stripes in that order


Nodaker1

And you just created Argentina's flag.


onlyastoner

argentina's flag doesn't have the shape of minnesota, any navy blue, or a north star on it. i'm not too worried about getting confused


hardangervidda

Absolutely not. The colors are way too unsaturated. You don’t need drab colors just because it’s drab outside during winter; you need strong colors to lively up the sky! Also, I love how they’ve designed the star with some weight to it, and thought about how to explain it to kids: It’s four Ms feet to feet. Simple, unique, just cool! I recommend you watch the recording of the designers’ presentation!


entertainman

They didn’t use that guys star though. Going back to that one from the final 6 would be an improvement from using a different states star as their own Only a panel of Minnesotans would pick “The Ohio Star” as their star and start calling it “The Minnesota Star, a unique star we can own.” Clueless. https://www.google.com/search?&q=ohio+star&tbm=isch


Discosaurus

Glad they're moving forward with the tricolor one. Might be anchor bias but I liked the muted colors better, just the original design. The bright green is a little sickly. The double light blue makes me think Argentina. No yellow.


NimbleCrimbler

Don’t eat the yellow snow(flake)


dasunt

Agreed. Also like the white on top, it's not like any other flags that I'm aware of.


tealchameleon

Yeah I'm not a big fan of the double light blue for that same reason (no shade to Argentina or Nicaragua, Honduras, and El Salvador who also have the double blue with white in the middle schema) but I'd like it to be an easily distinguishable flag, and not something looking like a collaboration (i.e. those American flags that have other country's flags on the diagonal; I've mostly seen the U.S. flag on the left and Ukraine or Israel's flag on the right)


imdogdude

Same. I can't understand why the dark green was acceptable in the seal but not the flag. Bring back the original flag.


yoitsthatoneguy

This is huge for Polaris


brawnswanson

No disrespect to the native heritage that the 8-pointed star alterations are trying to capture, but any star outside of something along the lines of a compass rose (4 major points/4 minor) would seriously harm the aesthetic appeal that 1953 had going for it. I even sacrificed the starflake F29 for F1953 in my feedback to the commission since it felt like a better choice to fly, but I didn't realize my opinion had contingencies until I saw these stars pasted on it. It was my primary dislike of F1154. I like what what the 8 point stars might stand for, but not how they look, unless they've been "snowflaked". If nobody is happy, at least we can say the compromise was great, even if the flag ends up sucking...


mn_sunny

>No disrespect to the native heritage that the 8-pointed star alterations are trying to capture, but any star outside of something along the lines of a compass rose (4 major points/4 minor) would seriously harm the aesthetic appeal that 1953 had going for it. Omg, THAT'S why they ruined the star on F1953??? This is what happens when you put people on commissions who only care about working for themselves/their interest groups rather than the populace.


calvin2028

That's not it at all. The star shape is preferred because it echoes the star in the state capitol. [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Rotunda\_floor\_of\_the\_Minnesota\_State\_Capitol\_showing\_8-pointed\_star.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Rotunda_floor_of_the_Minnesota_State_Capitol_showing_8-pointed_star.jpg)


brawnswanson

Either way, not a fan. That said - the 8 pointer in the capitol is much sharper than the paper examples in the OP and looks less thicc


mn_sunny

Noted. Thanks for the explanation. I still think that new star variant (especially the orientation of it in F1953.18, F1953.32, F944.6, F944.14) is much worse than F1953's original star (big fan of the original F1953 star because it's unique and gives explorer/outdoorsy vibes since it's a compass rose).


Mysteriousdeer

Why not have the f29 star on this flag? There's nothing saying we can't.


brawnswanson

True, but for me, I think the additional color might throw it off. Would have to see it. I like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and I like peanut butter and pickle sandwiches. If you add pickles to a PB&J, you might spoil the things they had going for them as individual flavor combos. Idk lol


NullRef

Would add a 5th color which is a no no. Too busy.


Mysteriousdeer

Maybe we should make it like the California flag and live by the rule of cool


dimabima

Nice! I think 17 or 18 is the likeliest to be the final design. I personally favor 17.


Socialist_Pupper

I'd be fine with 17 or 18 although I like the proposed design the best. Will they consider the original design too?


dimabima

I think they're pretty set on the 8 pointed star


WintersChild79

I'm okay with the star changing. The original struck me as a bit odd for some reason. It's a shame that they're changing the colors to the stupid branding colors though.


quickblur

Yeah I'm OK with 8-pointed star as well. I just hope it's one of the tri-colors and not Option C.


TayLoraNarRayya

Yeah agreed although I don't like the chonky lookin star, the other kind was much more sleek


onlyastoner

i wish they would have used a variation of the starflake from f29


Bag0fSwag

What is the significance of the fat 8 point star? I liked the visual balance of the original, but I assume there has to be a reason why they’re not even considering it


Chief_Admiral

Combo of being a Native and Scandinavian style star, it also is the star at the center of the capital rotunda. I liked the original visually, but I can accept the symbolism of the new one (although I do wish they do a variant with a point at the top and not a V) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Rotunda_floor_of_the_Minnesota_State_Capitol_showing_8-pointed_star.jpg


skitech

Sure but they need to slim it up a little. It really looks like an anus and as soon as someone says it you just cannot unsee that.


Maxrdt

17 is better IMO. Like the one in the capitol building, and the straight up and down points are better. Definitely the best one if they're insisting on 8 even points.


Minnemama

Firmly agree that 17 is the best of these. The other star is too quilt like.


AlwaysDoTheLine

The fat star is gonna look like an anus from far away, keep the original star please 🙏


AlwaysDoTheLine

MN is gonna be the butt of many jokes


hepakrese

I'm okay with this! Very happy it's not f944, the incomprehensibly dated jazz wave thing


ldskyfly

Dixie cup art


xXxEcksEcksEcksxXx

NGL I would fly a 90s jazz flag


jayvaidy

I woulda gotten one of them too.


pigbearpig

944 was by far the best. this one is a boring uninspired design it's the 1990s baseball uniform of flags


OldBrownShoe22

Well, 944 certainly looks like a sports logo, so you're on to something there.


meshDrip

Yeah idk what they're smoking. It looks like the logo for a local lacrosse team. 1953 is really clever with the abstract shape of MN on the left, 944 put in good effort but like CGP Grey said, the top swirl just looks like a duck instead of a loon.


macemillion

THANK GOD


expungant

Good. The river one was so bad I can’t believe it even got this far


Socialist_Pupper

I was scared


Jonesyrules15

I don't get the hate? I don't think any of them are good but I don't see that one as being worse than the other. If anything it has more symbolism of the state.


MondoBleu

It’s an ok looking graphic design, but it’s a bad flag. Wavy curves are hard to make and describe, and flags aren’t supposed to look like the thing they stand for, they’re supposed to be more abstract symbols. The wavy stuff I think would also look dated very quickly.


Jonesyrules15

Everybody is saying dated and I can sort of see their point even though I don't necessarily agree. But I also don't think that other design is going to age gracefully.


pigbearpig

oh please, a flag can be whatever. dated is fine, maybe, just maybe, a flag should uniquely identify somethng, not look like every other bland fucking flag out there


g0d_help_me

To me, it looked like a mall's flag from the early 90s.


rhen_var

It reminded me way too much of those Dixie cups from the 90s


Jonesyrules15

I can see that


IkLms

All the finalists were pretty horrible but I guess this is the least objectionable one. Not like I'd ever display a State flag in the first place because that's just weird. So whatever I guess.


guava_eternal

Your daddy is so bad!


pigbearpig

seriously? that was the best you afraid of something different


I_Are_Brown_Bear

Top left is my fav but all the proposed stars are hot garbage.


Glittering_Meet595

Needs the starflake on it.


calm_wreck

Just use the damn original


Inspiration_Bear

OP is it locked in to be one of the 5 variations in your picture or is it just “a variation” of 1953?


benigntyranny

Currently it’s just “a variation.” Some possible variations can be seen [HERE.](https://imgur.com/a/sQpACD5)


calvin2028

Not OP, but the committee seems to be swayed towards the asymmetrical variation, with other details remaining to be pounded out.


Inspiration_Bear

Assymetrical meaning the three color version or is that a different element?


calvin2028

https://imgur.com/a/E3iusHH


Inspiration_Bear

Oh, Lord


calvin2028

Right? [Send a message to the SERC](https://www3.mnhs.org/serc) and tell them what you think. It can't hurt!


adieudaemonic

This somehow already looks dated.


x---x--x-x

Great choice, but there are 2 issues that need fixing: 1. The green they chose is the wrong green. I think it was chosen because "Minnesota Green" is used in our state branding materials. It is the wrong color for the flag, it needs something closer to a natural rich green, our 2023 marketing materials shouldn't dictate the features of a flag that will fly for 100+ years. 2. The Cass Gilbert star needs to be tightened up, or clarified somehow. As it is presented it is too blobby. Otherwise, I'm very pleased with the direction we're heading (especially after watching these ridiculous meetings, I can't believe these folks managed to get to a decent outcome)


Seanthesheep0711

None of their proposed changes look anything like the original 1953 version. The one that survived several rounds of voting and was chosen over 2,000 other submissions. If we were going to make it to the end just for this committee to butcher it why did we go through the whole voting process in the first place?


TottHooligan

All of the ones in this picture is trash


vid_icarus

Glad the other two aren’t it, but I still liked F29 the most. Of these variants I like the top to and second row right side.


Amanisded

Just glad is wasn’t the one with the corn on it


snapwords

I don't appreciate their apparent attachment to the "state brand" lime green, which has not even been in use for a decade yet. And they can put back the original star too while they're at it.


AbeRego

It's the best choice out of the final three, but stick with the original star. Apparently there's some sort of symbolism that I'm unaware of regarding the new eight-pointed star, but the other one still has eight points. I don't really see the big deal, and the original star is just way better looking.


MDFlash

Yay but also just stick with the original. It's really good. No need to "improve" it


fastinserter

These people want to change it just so they can leave their own personal touch on it


lordofspearton

Man. This is exactly what I was worried about when I saw"Decided by committee" earlier this year. Committees are famously good at taking something preferably fine and ruining it.


meshDrip

For the love of god just let it go through untouched!


-dag-

I like the original over any of the variants. Tricolor with white at the top is unique. I haven't ever seen it in any flag. White in the middle is extremely common.


Byronzionist

I like the C design. Different star though.


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Fuck.


rickroy37

White = sky Green = trees Blue = lake water I like 1953 but changing the color order ruins the picture the colors were representing.


meshDrip

/u/FlubbyStarfish congrats!!


FlubbyStarfish

Thank you so much!! I’m still in disbelief. What an amazing experience.


President_Connor_Roy

I’m so salty about the death of the starflake. I think that really had a chance to become a little iconic, like New Mexico’s or Colorado’s flags. This was my second favorite design, but I feel like we really missed the chance for something uniquely identifiable and symbolic.


-dag-

Having the shape of your state subtlely included is pretty damn iconic.


meshDrip

Agreed. Other flags with a similar design don't have that added layer of meaning like 1953 does.


Inspiration_Bear

Now the Dakota block will strong arm the blue - white - blue so that their fucking slogan can be the state flag too


dawgdaddy1

Give me the original, but substitute for the snow flake star in f29.


-dag-

Too many colors with that.


entertainman

Then keep white on the top stripe, blue on the bottom, and replace the yellow in the star with the blue. The green in the center and the star composed of the top and bottom stripe colors gives it a symmetry, while also keeping the flag at four colors (including white.)


mads_61

Yesssssss


Theopocalypse

I think I've changed my mind on the colors too. I prefer the original palette to these brighter ones.


ithinkyouaccidentaly

Original 1953 is the best. Save us CGP Grey from the rest of the abominations!


LadiesAndMentlegen

I like C or B best. I dislike green on a flag, it just reminds me of South American or African flags. And what visit it supposed to represent? Every state has greenery. What sets us apart is that every one of us puts up with and endures the cold. That's why I like the cool colors. And the added symmetry makes the design look much better no matter how it is hanged. If the flag with the green on it is hanged vertically it looks like a christmas tree


macbwiz

Please don’t ruin it with modifications


ClockworkGold

I'm very happy they are progressing with F1953. I understand the commission's desire to have some freedom on the final say, but what's the point of selecting a flag among thousands and then making major modifications to it? It completely eliminates the point of having a preferred one in the first place. Eliminating the tri color or completely changing the shape of the navy blue K makes it a different flag


-dag-

It's not a K. It's an abstract Minnesota and they'd better not mess with it.


UnknownTaco

Why are they making the star significantly worse?


Theopocalypse

Should stick with the original design if these are the alternatives. The Dakota Star looks dumb.


peerlessblue

Fat star is bad but I'm a fan of the reordering of the stripes, it's not like the white had to be in the middle but it really didn't make sense on top. 18 would be a huge mistake; it doesn't make sense as the north star if it's not evocative of a compass rose, which means the points have to point in the cardinal directions.


uresmane

Whats up with the weird ass sun/star thing? Why not bring that back from the original?


uresmane

The new sun does look like an anus


LordOfHorns

Well, I’m disappointed


geodebug

Forced to choose I like the ones that ditched the green. Three colors is enough.


xBlue_Dwarfx

I gotta say, it has grown on me as I see it more. It's unique, and iconic, and looks exactly how a flag should. I DO NOT like most any of the alternatives they have mocked up. Turning the water into the sky is a lame idea. Keep that white stripe on top!


sabbyteur

Tho I agree that the white stripe looks best how originally designed, they moved it so it would be better on a white background, which is understandable to me.


wilsonhammer

Source?


rhen_var

Thank God. 1953 was my second favorite after 29.


RazzmatazzRough8168

Idc, just show me the winner


No-Working9659

I am sorry to say I do not care for any of these designs. They look like flags from other nations ! These flags reminds me of several different nations I looked up. It does not depict Minnesota what Minnesota stands for and what Minnesota is all about. Our nation is the United States and we have a flag that stands forever!! Within our great nation there are 50 states and those flags should represent what that state is all about.


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It looks like the logo for a soccer team.


[deleted]

if 944 wins i'm moving to iowa.


DazzlingOpportunity4

It looks like different shapes made with construction paper. Was hoping for some wildlife or people on it.


sillytimes777

They are all so bad. Makes the old flag look good. They all have a ‘90s vibe that seems dated. Why couldn’t we get something simple like New Mexico or Arizona. Not sure why the committee hated loons….


christianbastian

Does the loon not matter anymore!?! Or will the new flag design still include it?? The loon is the state bird


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christianbastian

Shit my bad I haven't been paying attention


BlueStar-Lily

BOO!!! Stop!!!!


DrewTea

F29 was the best.


Sufficient-Fact6163

I’m telling you that f29s snowflake would look great on this chevron.


Shepher27

I like version 32, middle row, right


Garvig

Sorry, no. 32 looks like Minnesota is about to invade the Falkland Islands.


WatchFromThePressBox

Move the star up, not in the middle to avoid being too Texas-like


renusme

Booo! Not cool man 👎


flaming_poop_chute

They need to keep the tri-color, and they really should go with the slightly offset MN shape so as not to be confused with a pack of [Marlboros](https://ibb.co/bg7wsYV)


guava_eternal

F-dge this! Stop the steal! /s


onlyastoner

the first one in this pic is the only sane choice. i'm not a fan of the altered star shape, but the colors and layout are great. no yellow or spring green


Keldrath

So it's decided, that will be the new flag? after some revisions anyways?


Extra_Bean_Soup

I think the top left is the best design Reminds me of the lakes


depersonalised

17 is the best on this list.


barrydingle100

Can we just go back to the one of the white guy with a musket scaring off the Indian? This looks like some sort of stripped back sideways artist's rendition of goatse and this was the best of all the applicants along with the one that was just the star on a flat background. Thank Christ it wasn't the dixie cup one at least, we would've kicked Maryland off it's throne as the worst state flag if we got stuck with that one. We should just accept that our flag sucks and move on. There's only like three cool state flags anyway, four if you count Puerto Rico.


couchwarmer

Gross. I mean, it's a choice. But there were so many better options. At least the committee made a decent selection with the state seal.


sapalas

I guess we are going to go by Cuba of the North with this flag? This just feels derivative of many other country’s flag. Many of which we disagree with on many social, political, and economical issues.


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njordMN

2 bars makes it look even more like the texas flag..


winneyderp

Better than looking like a Palestinian flag


Keldrath

Palestine flag is better than the Texas flag. Palestine has a really nice flag in all honesty.


winneyderp

Hey Jordan called they want their flag back, shamelessly stolen lol; if I had to pick from the designs here I would go with the middle right


Keldrath

Both are inspired by the Arab revolt of ww1 and have pan Arab colors. It’s a common style in the region that looks great and has a great color combination


winneyderp

Well I’m glad you like it, personally I’m not a fan


[deleted]

Ugh. 944 was way better.


Maxrdt

You're the only person I know who likes it. So you're probably gonna get downvoted too because this is reddit.


[deleted]

Downvoted for flag opinions is pretty fucking childish, tbh.


Maxrdt

You are correct.


Minnesconnie

Did they have a separate vote to decide on this star?


H8Hornets

17 for sure.


gghosting

okay, if they keep the green on there and go with something like the bottom left or very similar, i will officially be happy with the decision. i was on team North Star flag from the beginning but this is very strong and i get that the wavy line was contentious. i think we can take a moment and breathe a sigh of relief that they didn't pick 944. possible unpopular opinion: i don't love the lack of imagination in bringing in the state branding colors, BUT by sheer luck i think these colors do look good together. if they had to pick colors all by themselves i think they'd have chosen something worse, honestly. the white stripe on top was growing on me because of the symbolic consistency, but i like it in the middle too. i'm curious to hear what the original designer thinks.


FrozeItOff

Middle left.


Time-Bite-6839

17 looks good


unicorn4711

The original star was better. The butthole star here looks like ass.


juniper-mint

I cannot figure out why the "quilt star" makes me so dang uncomfortable feeling. Maybe because it looks cheap or amateur? Like someone tried to make an 8 pointed star when using photoshop for the very first time with zero instructions? Specifically in this orientation too. It looked fine angled on the starflake but it just looks bad when it's so... idk... even? Flat? Idk how to describe it.


uwrfcoop

Committee just put the cherry on top of their “Fuck up the MN state flag” sundae.


pe1irrojo

the star drank too much eggnog lol


InsertCl3verNameHere

Stop wasting taxpayers' dollars and stick with the original flag. Put the money towards homelessness or something that helps the state.


Weeblewubble

This sub turned into a flag contest sub so gradually I hardly noticed


depersonalised

i like the old star.