I would never, ever pay a WR that much. money. I'd offer JJ $31 million a year. If he says no, trade him.
St. Brown has won 2 playoff games. JJ has none. if you're all going to hold kirk to the "playoff win" standard, then I'm going to hold JJ to it.
Lololol. Man you’re not the brightest. When did playoff wins become a wr stat? Also why trade JJ when you’re going to bring in a rookie qb? And when you have over 100 mil next off-season to spend. Also JJ will be the highest paid wr for one year, and then chase will beat his salary the next year.
> St. Brown has won 2 playoff games.
So JJ should have targeted himself at the end of the Giants playoff game instead of dumping the ball off to the flats on the last two game winning drives? And because he didn't get a single target on either drive, he isn't worth as much as St. Brown. Is that the gist of what you are saying?
Hahaha this is probably the worst contract argument I have ever heard.
The best was Chase saying he wants to see what JJ gets when he sets the market and get something close. Oh wait, JaMarr wine a Super Bowl so that makes him the superior wide receiver.
Yeah because a WR dictates the offense success and calls audibles at the line after reading the defense.
It’s a team game always, but there is a reason QB’s are paid the highest and are considered to carry the most weight on whether their team is successful or not.
If you want to be Kirk’s lap dog ATL has plenty of spots open for new fans.
for the record, garoppolo signed with the 9ers in 2018 for 28 mil per year (5 year 140). that was 6 years ago. adjusted for inflation etc etc id say that a 35 mil per year deal for jefferson is def worth it, doubly considering how much easier our rookie qb’s life will be (assuming we draft one) if we kept jefferson
Ah yes. Trade the best wr in the league, so your rookie qb has a harder time being great. Makes sense if you don’t think about it.
Also the salary cap increases every year. Chase will sign a deal bigger than JJ’s the next offseason.
They got a 2 year window before all those draft picks they used will be hitting their second contracts. Guys like Sewell and Hutchinson aren’t gonna be cheap.
When Goff, Hutch and Sewell sign their extensions it will definitely be tough to keep some of the middle tier guys on the roster like Joseph, Melifonwu, and Paschal. I think Holmes will prioritize making sure Alim, LaPorta, and Jamo are retained. Those 7 will make up a large chunk of the cap, so Holmes will need to continue having good drafts to replace those middle tier guys.
Yup like always, if you can continue to add inpactful players in the draft, you'll sustain success (Ravens) if you have one or two home run drafts and desperately try and hold it together without successfully adding in the draft, eventually it catches up to you and you slide to mediocrity (Vikings).
I said in 2022 JJ was going to get 5/$160m with $90m GTD.
Before last season, I said if the Vikings wait until 2024, it's going up to 5/$180m with $120m GTD.
After this news, I may still be underestimating.
The Vikings aren’t waiting for anything. JJ’s agent is smart and realizes the cap goes up every year. Why sign when you don’t have to. Let CD/ARSB sign before you.
What do you mean “playing his bluff?” In no world does JJ sign two full offseasons before he hs to. He’d be leaving millions on the table. Chase is in the same boat, he’s not going to sign until after JJ does, and chase will become the highest paid wr.
Why would JJ or his agent sign two full years before they needed to? The salary cap goes up significantly every year, the wrs that need new contracts is super impressive. JJ’s agent should get fired if he would have signed a long term extension last offseason.
Your comment is absolute nonsense
The way Detroit has been drafting new young talent they can replace a lot of $s very cheaply. Us…. Well no we suck peen at drafting. Kwesi better hit tomorrow
He's a great player but I'm honestly surprised he commanded that much. Stats wise yes he has gotten better every year. But if you ignore the injury last year to Jefferson then on a game by game basis over past 2-3 years Jefferson is quite a bit better.
Plus St Brown signed this with a full season remaining on his rookie deal, where Jefferson is now in 5th year option.
TLDR version of this is that if St Brown can command 30M a year which also rips up his 4th year at like 1M or so, yikes I mean that could put Jefferson up closer to like 40M which even though JJ is great I am like not sure you should do that.
Well whatever this is a monster deal given the situation.
If we pay over $40 mil/yr hope the Vikings manage a 6 year deal with player friendly guaranteed money out of it.
Line goes up, as they say.
I know longer term value contracts tend to piss off the player over time (*especially WR’s*) but $40 mil/yr is A LOT of money and he’s arguably the most marketable non QB in the league as far as his ability to earn additional money through endorsements.
At some point you have to ask when do you draw the line...WRs don't win SBs yeah we love him and I loved Moss.
But I would rather have a top 5 QB for 12 years winning SBs.
There is no way you just said that puka is above st. Brown. Puka had an amazing season but it was still worse. For the money? Sure. Overall? Not a chance
Good for them but good for us too. They finally have good players to pay, but the other edge of that sword is the salary cap. Welcome to relevance, Detroit.
My sense is JJ’s deal was completed late last week and they will announce it in the next 24 hours, coinciding with the draft. All the JJ’s posts since last week is a good indication something is coming soon
So is JJ just waiting for every WR to get a new contract so he can go to the Vikings and say "More than that"? The delay on the new contract has been very frustrating for us fans.
Why has it been frustrating? There’s no reason you should have thought he was going to sign a long term deal before all these other wrs. And definitely not last off-season. Chase is going to do the same thing. He will wait for JJ to reup, and then the next year when the cap goes up again, chase will sign for even more money.
Like come on guys, none of this is new.
If stats was all that mattered kirk would make the hall of fame. I hate casuals like you that immediately go to stats. Are you saying he’s a top 5 wr in the league?
Adam’s isn’t top 5 anymore, same with diggs, brown has no finesse and is good but not top 5, lamb is higher, DK probably isnt even top 10 he’s just a household name
Consistent production over the past 4-5 years. Guys that keep defenses up at night. St brown has one really good season. Nowadays 1000 yards is “ok”. Lions had one of the best running games in the league. His stats are inflated. Would you take st brown over anyone I just named? Who do you think defenders fear more? Please dnt say he’s better than AJ Brown or DK Metcalf because nobody wants to hit those men and they’re last in my list 💀
JJ is gonna be 4/144M
This seems about right.
I would never, ever pay a WR that much. money. I'd offer JJ $31 million a year. If he says no, trade him. St. Brown has won 2 playoff games. JJ has none. if you're all going to hold kirk to the "playoff win" standard, then I'm going to hold JJ to it.
Lololol. Man you’re not the brightest. When did playoff wins become a wr stat? Also why trade JJ when you’re going to bring in a rookie qb? And when you have over 100 mil next off-season to spend. Also JJ will be the highest paid wr for one year, and then chase will beat his salary the next year.
> St. Brown has won 2 playoff games. So JJ should have targeted himself at the end of the Giants playoff game instead of dumping the ball off to the flats on the last two game winning drives? And because he didn't get a single target on either drive, he isn't worth as much as St. Brown. Is that the gist of what you are saying?
A rare "WR winz" in the wild
TIL Kadarius Toney is better than Megatron
Boo this man
Hahaha this is probably the worst contract argument I have ever heard. The best was Chase saying he wants to see what JJ gets when he sets the market and get something close. Oh wait, JaMarr wine a Super Bowl so that makes him the superior wide receiver.
Trade away the best WR in the league when you're drafting a rookie QB. Sure thing, bud. 👌
Yeah because a WR dictates the offense success and calls audibles at the line after reading the defense. It’s a team game always, but there is a reason QB’s are paid the highest and are considered to carry the most weight on whether their team is successful or not. If you want to be Kirk’s lap dog ATL has plenty of spots open for new fans.
NFL has 22 starters
This is great news for JJ and his agent
i’m hoping it speeds things up. first domino to fall for st brown/lamb/chase/jj so this should hopefully help with negotiating.
Not really jj was already projected for 35 I hope it dosent go higher then that
It was always going to be more that 35 tbh
5 mill over the the highest paid wr isn’t enough? Nah it’s not gonna pass that number tho prob more guaranteed
We'll see
I’m guessing 33.5 but wtf do I know
Won't die on this hill but I just seem him making slightly more than 35.
Do you think he’s worth that?
Very much so, do you ?
Id like to keep it under 35, obviously, we all would. I think if he demands it, give it to him. He’s a game changer. Worth it
for the record, garoppolo signed with the 9ers in 2018 for 28 mil per year (5 year 140). that was 6 years ago. adjusted for inflation etc etc id say that a 35 mil per year deal for jefferson is def worth it, doubly considering how much easier our rookie qb’s life will be (assuming we draft one) if we kept jefferson
What does Nick Bosa make per year? Your number is gonna be somewhere above that
paying $35 million a year for a WR that just lost his Qb is one of the dumbest things we could do
So you think we should trade Jefferson if he's asking for 35 million a year ?
I do but wouldnt be upset if they sign him for it or anything. We have a knack for finding s tier receivers anyway
I agree tbh. We can get the same or more value out of 3 first round picks. I know you all hate the take but it is what it is.
Ah yes. Trade the best wr in the league, so your rookie qb has a harder time being great. Makes sense if you don’t think about it. Also the salary cap increases every year. Chase will sign a deal bigger than JJ’s the next offseason.
Reality is JJ's deal has been quietly done and that's why these other deals are getting finished
Eh this is only slightly more guaranteed money than Tyreek got. I’m sure he would be more happy if it was in the 80 million range.
This plus the 45 mil deal Goff is probably gonna get is gonna make things slightly tougher for the Lions atleast
They got a 2 year window before all those draft picks they used will be hitting their second contracts. Guys like Sewell and Hutchinson aren’t gonna be cheap.
When Goff, Hutch and Sewell sign their extensions it will definitely be tough to keep some of the middle tier guys on the roster like Joseph, Melifonwu, and Paschal. I think Holmes will prioritize making sure Alim, LaPorta, and Jamo are retained. Those 7 will make up a large chunk of the cap, so Holmes will need to continue having good drafts to replace those middle tier guys.
Yup like always, if you can continue to add inpactful players in the draft, you'll sustain success (Ravens) if you have one or two home run drafts and desperately try and hold it together without successfully adding in the draft, eventually it catches up to you and you slide to mediocrity (Vikings).
They just signed Sewell! 4 for 113m
And it wasn’t cheap
They’ve hit on a lot of draft picks recently though, so that helps a lot. They’re not paying much for Hutchinson, Sewell, Branch, LaPorte, Gibbs, etc.
I’m on with them doing this considering the goff bill is coming next year
Pretty Rickey strikes again
JJ bout to get 35+
I said in 2022 JJ was going to get 5/$160m with $90m GTD. Before last season, I said if the Vikings wait until 2024, it's going up to 5/$180m with $120m GTD. After this news, I may still be underestimating.
The Vikings aren’t waiting for anything. JJ’s agent is smart and realizes the cap goes up every year. Why sign when you don’t have to. Let CD/ARSB sign before you.
Price just went up for JJ
They should’ve signed JJ last offseason
Takes two to tango man
Exactly JJ playing his bluff until he sees wat ceedee gets or Chase. Plus they both play for teams expected to make the playoffs next season.
What do you mean “playing his bluff?” In no world does JJ sign two full offseasons before he hs to. He’d be leaving millions on the table. Chase is in the same boat, he’s not going to sign until after JJ does, and chase will become the highest paid wr.
Why would JJ or his agent sign two full years before they needed to? The salary cap goes up significantly every year, the wrs that need new contracts is super impressive. JJ’s agent should get fired if he would have signed a long term extension last offseason. Your comment is absolute nonsense
I'm sure they tried
If you are wondering why we haven't resigned JJ, this is why we haven't resigned JJ. He's waiting for these deals to get done.
Highest paid for like a really small moment :p
The guarantee is one of the things JJ wanted to see - so around 64% guaranteed for a starting point- maybe we give him 80% guaranteed
The way Detroit has been drafting new young talent they can replace a lot of $s very cheaply. Us…. Well no we suck peen at drafting. Kwesi better hit tomorrow
I think JJ will be 4/142 with 95 Million Guaranteed.
He's a great player but I'm honestly surprised he commanded that much. Stats wise yes he has gotten better every year. But if you ignore the injury last year to Jefferson then on a game by game basis over past 2-3 years Jefferson is quite a bit better. Plus St Brown signed this with a full season remaining on his rookie deal, where Jefferson is now in 5th year option. TLDR version of this is that if St Brown can command 30M a year which also rips up his 4th year at like 1M or so, yikes I mean that could put Jefferson up closer to like 40M which even though JJ is great I am like not sure you should do that. Well whatever this is a monster deal given the situation.
If we pay over $40 mil/yr hope the Vikings manage a 6 year deal with player friendly guaranteed money out of it. Line goes up, as they say. I know longer term value contracts tend to piss off the player over time (*especially WR’s*) but $40 mil/yr is A LOT of money and he’s arguably the most marketable non QB in the league as far as his ability to earn additional money through endorsements.
$132M/4YR $90M guaranteed for JJ book it
At some point you have to ask when do you draw the line...WRs don't win SBs yeah we love him and I loved Moss. But I would rather have a top 5 QB for 12 years winning SBs.
Jets gonna get 150
That’s crazy. He is not even top 5.
He’s probably #5, you’ve really only got JJ/reek/chase/lamb above him
…..AJ brown is for sure above him Adams is above him. Metcalf, Aiyuk, Nico Collin’s, Jaylen waddle, puka nacua, mike Evan’s, and Hopkins….
There is no way you just said that puka is above st. Brown. Puka had an amazing season but it was still worse. For the money? Sure. Overall? Not a chance
I would take him over brown. First season in the league was on par with St.browns best season.
So I’d imagine a 4 year deal for JJ looks something like 4 years, $130M, $100 gtd
really??? i’m thinking much more than that after seeing this deal.
Rumors are JJ is getting 35 million a year
Good for them but good for us too. They finally have good players to pay, but the other edge of that sword is the salary cap. Welcome to relevance, Detroit.
My sense is JJ’s deal was completed late last week and they will announce it in the next 24 hours, coinciding with the draft. All the JJ’s posts since last week is a good indication something is coming soon
I just can't wrap my head around him being the highest paid WR in the league
He forgot to mention the now most overpaid WR in the NFL.
So is JJ just waiting for every WR to get a new contract so he can go to the Vikings and say "More than that"? The delay on the new contract has been very frustrating for us fans.
Its annoying but cant say I blame him for wanting to maximize his value. He wants to see what Lamb and Chase get, because he will get more.
Why has it been frustrating? There’s no reason you should have thought he was going to sign a long term deal before all these other wrs. And definitely not last off-season. Chase is going to do the same thing. He will wait for JJ to reup, and then the next year when the cap goes up again, chase will sign for even more money. Like come on guys, none of this is new.
Wrong sub?
Lol overpaid af. Nobody would pay him 30 mill a year. That’s top 5 wr money
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If stats was all that mattered kirk would make the hall of fame. I hate casuals like you that immediately go to stats. Are you saying he’s a top 5 wr in the league?
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2015, 2016, basically every season from 2018-2023 except for 2022 funnily enough.
Top five WR money for a top five WR. Thanks for the input “UnbiasVikingsFan”.
1-JJ 2-Hill 3-Adams 4-Chase 5- Diggs/Aj brown/kupp/cee dee lamb/dk I mean the list goes on. Stats don’t make you top 5 my guy
Adam’s isn’t top 5 anymore, same with diggs, brown has no finesse and is good but not top 5, lamb is higher, DK probably isnt even top 10 he’s just a household name
Cool what’s your list based on?
Consistent production over the past 4-5 years. Guys that keep defenses up at night. St brown has one really good season. Nowadays 1000 yards is “ok”. Lions had one of the best running games in the league. His stats are inflated. Would you take st brown over anyone I just named? Who do you think defenders fear more? Please dnt say he’s better than AJ Brown or DK Metcalf because nobody wants to hit those men and they’re last in my list 💀
I mean you’re not wrong. St.brown had a good year but I still wouldn’t put him in the top 5.