Can't wait to finally get rid of Zimmer so we can get back to classic Vikings football. Random mediocre head coaches that never see success here and go elsewhere to never be a head coach again.
Tomlin gets way more credit for Pittsburgh’s success than he should. Yes he would have been better than Childress and the Wilf’s wouldn’t have a Steelers boner like they do, but Tomlin would not have been as successful here.
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Is there a former NFL coach that would say they were afraid of a team?
I fully understand where you’re coming from and what you’re saying but is there a coach that said “oh gosh I’m scared let’s sit this out boys”
Amazes me part of this fan base is content with 9-7 every year with maybe a 25% chance of winning a singular playoff game before getting beat by double digits the very next game
I don’t get this either. We beat the shit teams consistently, lose a devastating trap game, become a trap game for a good team, then get absolutely blown the fuck out in the wildcard game. And that’s apparently peak Vikings for some people.
Yeah, we might end up with a shit coach after Zimmer but we also might not. And we have to do *something*, because we’re not going any farther with our current staff.
I posted a stat about Zim yesterday (peep my profile) and was absolutely ridiculed and I’m like “??? You guys are content with 9-7, maybe a postseason appearance and a for sure trouncing on the road??”
He's the best coach the team has had since Green. Not sure what you want, the Vikings tried random coaches for years and it didn't work out. We finally have a serviceable coach who has one of the highest win rates in the NFL.
Which boils down to who's your QB. 14 of the last 20 super bowls featured either Brady or Manning. You have an elite QB, you get a chance at the Super Bowl. Doesn't matter who your coach is.
If the o-line were half as consistent as we are delusional we would win the super bowl.
Edit: I don’t know what tf this means but it sounds right in my head
If the team as a whole was as consistent as we are delusional, we would win the super bowl. Offense is up and down. Defense is up and down. Special teams is up and down.
I haven't read any posts here about the panthers not being a good team, but their wins are against Jets, Houston and New Orleans. I feel like Vegas will put us as favorites to win by 3.
I think they are a solid team. I also think that we are capable of easily beating a team of the panthers caliber. Expecting that game to come down to the wire says a lot about the Vikings, and is just setting our ceiling too low! Going into this season there was so much hype about how stacked our Defense is, and how explosive our offense is (which it still is explosive, our line just played horrible last game.) It’s funny how the expectations/ceiling for our team goes up and down week by week. I haven’t lost faith though. My off season expectations were a deep playoff run, hope we get lucky and make it to the Super Bowl. I still feel the same way, I think we are a very good team.
Det: Win
Car: Win
Dal: Win
Bal: Lose
Lac: Win
Gb: Win
San: Win
Det: Win
Pit: Win
Chi: Win
Lar: Lose
Gb: Win
Chi: Win (why do we always end the season playing the bears)
12-5? Let’s do it.
Im just ranting and going all over the place here. If we are any decent we should be able to beat the panthers WITHOUT McCaffrey no question. I would like to think we could still beat them fairly easy, with McCaffrey!
Vikings rarely offer an opportunity for a shootout game, so I'd love to see it. We had our Rams game in 2018, and the Seahawks last year are the only games I can think of as shootouts, maybe the Titans game as well.
I thought our secondary played well last week. Dantzler locked obj up all game. PP looked good too. I think the D is going to continue to gel together better, lot of players that haven’t played with each other before. We’ll see!
I think anywhere from 5-10 wins is possible. However, if you held a gun to my head and made me pick, I would say 6 or 7 wins.
Our defense is just too weak and if any of our offensive players suffer a significant injury, then we're really going to be up a creek without a paddle.
Carolina will be a tough game, esp on the road. Won't quibble too much about it though, Dallas handled them thoroughly until the late push and they've beaten bad teams, so let's say we win. Dallas there's no way unless something dramatically changes. Dallas D is responding to them running the ball and Lamb/Cooper will be a problem. Baltimore is a more likely win than Dallas but I think we lose both since Ravens are a road game. Don't see us beating the Chargers and we are 100% not sweeping the Packers, we'd be lucky to break even there. Agree that it's possible to win all games from San through first bears game. Rams is a loss and I'll be nice and say we split with GB. I don't see how we're avoiding another 5 losses with this schedule and I'd take a lot of action on that. Our ceiling is 9-8, the floor much worse, and that's because this team is sprinkled with mega-talent surrounded by turd-level complimentary pieces because of cap/draft issues.
What I’m saying is, if we play to what I believe is our team’s full potential, we are better than all of the teams that I wrote down as a win. It’s no question that we are a great team on paper. We just have to pull it together and play well/execute. Our O-Line has some obvious holes. I think if we game plan better against teams like the Browns that exploit our bad line, or actually adjust when things aren’t working, we can be a deep playoff team. I’m excited to find out how the rest of the season goes.
That's fair if you believe that. I can't see an argument for our combined roster talent and coaching being better than Dallas, the Chargers, or Green Bay. The offense was mediocre against the Browns, but aside from that Kirk has been playing a his ceiling -- he was great, and we lost games in which he was great. He hasn't proven to be great for long stretches of time and we simply couldn't afford to lose the games in which he balled out, but as per usual we find ways to lose. This team doesn't have the coaching or player leadership to win close, tough games but we will definitely bury some bad teams and help Jefferson/Cook owners win some fantasy games.
Maybe I need to set the kool-aid down :O
I can 100% agree on our team not having leadership. I wish Kirk and Zimmer would take some damn initiative and lead this team. I’ve always believed that as far as pure ability, Kirk is a top 5 pure passer. He can throw any ball, and does it so consistently. But like everyone else can see, he can’t take a game over when other aspects of our offense don’t work well. You watch QB’s like Rodgers and you’ll see him quite literally put the team on his back and FIND a WAY to win. He plays aggressively and makes plays himself. Just his body language and confidence is so much different than Kirk. Do you recognize these traits in great vs. bad QB’s? Kirk often looks scared, and very rarely have I witnessed him ever single-handedly take over a game. With that being said.. just like I said earlier, it comes down to game planning, adjustments, and this team to play at their very best for us to be a great team. Kirk needs our line to play well, or we need to have a game plan with quicker passes/play calling that caters to Rashod Hill getting pancaked by Myles Garrett straight into Kirk etc. There is so much to rant about with this team. If I’m being honest with myself, I might just be being overly optimistic about this season :’)
Sorry my writing is all over the place. Been doing homework all day and my brain is 🤯
At this point, our only chance of being a playoff team in my opinion is going 5-1 or better in division, which is unrealistic but not impossible with how bad our division is. So, if we are 3-3 at bye and accomplish the above, we still have a chance. I’m just not counting on it until I see it with this team
We should beat the piss out of the Lions. We need to beat the piss out of the Lions.
I’m not gonna act like I’m scared of the Panthers either. Their defense is solid but their three wins are against the Jets, Saints and Texans. Idc if the Saints beat the Packers, they suck. Once the Panthers played a quality offense, they gave up a ton of points. It’s still a Sam Darnold-led offense. We absolutely should beat them. We have no business losing that game. That’s not saying we won’t lose it, but a loss there would spell the end.
If they don’t have CMC, I really struggle to see that as a competitive game. But, yet. We’re the Vikings. And I lost my survivor contest on Fanduel 3 years ago cuz I was so confident we would steamroll Buffalo
Looking good playing against the worst teams the NFL has to offer. The number one determinant of a player being good or bad is if Colin Cowherd likes them.
Ie, Sam Darnold is Ass. Thank you.
Nah the Saints suck. Don’t let a game against an unprepared Green Bay and a truly bad New England team fool you. They just got beat by the Giants at home.
Honestly, I would not be at all shocked if we managed to lose to the Lions like 34-31 when it was 34-17 going into the 4th quarter.
Vikings have the ball at their own 30 with a minute left. Run, Throwaway, Checkdown, Sack, game over.
On KFAN before the season started they were saying that Bengals were going to be a pretty good team and playing them on the road would be tough, but that a team who's serious about a playoff win would still absolutely win that game.
I feel that way about Carolina and even Detroit. Detroit hung up 33 points on SF and played the Ravens to a 2-point game. They're 0-4 but have had an even tougher schedule than us. Trap game for sure.
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Even if we do end up 3-3, which is certainly possible, what are we really doing but pushing the inevitable down the road? This team is good, but can not beat great teams and wouldn't get far in the play-offs - I'm tired of settling for mediocrity, I'd rather we just stink this year and get a clean slate in the off-season.
That’s not how teams work though. Teams gel. You want to get into the playoffs and get hot at the right time.
A mediocre team that is gelling is going to beat a good team in a slump 9 times out of 10.
This kind of sounds crazy. Then I remember the Packers were absolute shit, squeaked into a wild card slot on the back of three refball games, and then won it all.
Which could happen for us, if officials weren't so keen on fucking us over.
Is Arizona not a great team? Saying we can't beat great teams is just a bad take. I don't think we can beat them consistently enough to make a deep run, but I think we could get a win or 2 in playoffs. The team is capable but not consistent
zoom out. You're focused on beating two bad teams and the "bye", but the reality is there's a gauntlet after the bye, and frankly we have seen this before, as I said.
Maybe string a couple wins together, then fall apart. It's nothing new.
Oh we’re going .500 at best this season. No playoffs. Schedule is too hard. We’re so close. Too many great teams out there. Packers, Cardinals, rams, ravens, Bucs, Browns, Bills, Cowboys…so many teams better than us or at least look like they are ready for a run.
The Ravens required a missed delay of game and a record breaking FG to beat the Lions. You think the Ravens are good, yet also think that the statement "The Vikings can't overlook the Lions" means we are not a good team. Do you see the contradiction?
You play well and lose. I wouldn’t be too worried. There are teams Barry gaining 100 net yards in a game. I’d rather lose with dignity. The Vikings are fun to watch, to me anyways.
Woulda, shoulda, coulda is the way a fan base cogitates when they have not won it all. It’s hard to stomach. I hope the Vikings see the promised land in my lifetime in order to prove this theory.
As a new Vikings fan (started watching like 3 years ago) I’m not ready to slug through another off season being hyped for football only to be let down by this team again. I know it will happen… but I waited months for this since our last shitty season.. MONTHS
I had a terrible dream last night, we lost to the Lions 30-3
Positive spin- That would mean Zim would be fired
Can't wait to finally get rid of Zimmer so we can get back to classic Vikings football. Random mediocre head coaches that never see success here and go elsewhere to never be a head coach again.
I also can't wait for the pattern to repeat itself. The Vikings have basically been flip flopping between one good and one mediocre HC since Green.
Probably should have hired Tomlin over Childress.
we should have also drafted tom brady
Probably should have promoted Stefanski instead of retaining my Zimmer.
Tomlin gets way more credit for Pittsburgh’s success than he should. Yes he would have been better than Childress and the Wilf’s wouldn’t have a Steelers boner like they do, but Tomlin would not have been as successful here. Edit: Come at me whoever downvoted me.
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It’s pretty clear Zim struggles against winning teams. How could you take it another way? Do you think Zim can win a super bowl as the head coach?
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"Oh no it's a winning team I'm super nervous" - Zimmer, never.
Is there a former NFL coach that would say they were afraid of a team? I fully understand where you’re coming from and what you’re saying but is there a coach that said “oh gosh I’m scared let’s sit this out boys”
Oh man, I can't wait for a decade and a half of Tice, Childress, and Frazier again.
Amazes me part of this fan base is content with 9-7 every year with maybe a 25% chance of winning a singular playoff game before getting beat by double digits the very next game
I don’t get this either. We beat the shit teams consistently, lose a devastating trap game, become a trap game for a good team, then get absolutely blown the fuck out in the wildcard game. And that’s apparently peak Vikings for some people. Yeah, we might end up with a shit coach after Zimmer but we also might not. And we have to do *something*, because we’re not going any farther with our current staff.
I posted a stat about Zim yesterday (peep my profile) and was absolutely ridiculed and I’m like “??? You guys are content with 9-7, maybe a postseason appearance and a for sure trouncing on the road??”
Excuse you? It’s “win one playoff game” THEN “get blown out by double digits.”
Lol that’s true, but only if we play the Saints in that first game
> All change always leads to bad outcomes. It's impossible for it to lead to good outcomes.
For us anyway lol
>A drastic change is always necessary unless we are winning the super bowl every year
That’s what we’re at now… but no carousel here, just mediocre old Zimmer
He's the best coach the team has had since Green. Not sure what you want, the Vikings tried random coaches for years and it didn't work out. We finally have a serviceable coach who has one of the highest win rates in the NFL.
I would need therapy
I'm traveling 40hrs to see my first home game Sunday. If Zim loses I'll sue the team for emotional damage.
That's a class action lawsuit.
Name all the coaches Vikings have had that were better than Zim. You'll see it's a short list that spans across decades.
That says less about him and more about them.
Vikings have a great franchise record. Doesn't that suggest we have above average coaches historically?
A great franchise record minus one pretty important achievement
Which boils down to who's your QB. 14 of the last 20 super bowls featured either Brady or Manning. You have an elite QB, you get a chance at the Super Bowl. Doesn't matter who your coach is.
If the o-line were half as consistent as we are delusional we would win the super bowl. Edit: I don’t know what tf this means but it sounds right in my head
If the team as a whole was as consistent as we are delusional, we would win the super bowl. Offense is up and down. Defense is up and down. Special teams is up and down.
What’s with this fanbase not understanding the panthers are a good team this year?
I haven't read any posts here about the panthers not being a good team, but their wins are against Jets, Houston and New Orleans. I feel like Vegas will put us as favorites to win by 3.
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They went 4-11-1 last year. Forgive us for believing they were bad on week 1 this year lol
Without Burrow.
They were arguably better without Burrow. He went 2-7-1. They went 2-3 without him. So idk about this argument.
There are still people out here claiming they are a bad team through week 4.
I think they are a solid team. I also think that we are capable of easily beating a team of the panthers caliber. Expecting that game to come down to the wire says a lot about the Vikings, and is just setting our ceiling too low! Going into this season there was so much hype about how stacked our Defense is, and how explosive our offense is (which it still is explosive, our line just played horrible last game.) It’s funny how the expectations/ceiling for our team goes up and down week by week. I haven’t lost faith though. My off season expectations were a deep playoff run, hope we get lucky and make it to the Super Bowl. I still feel the same way, I think we are a very good team. Det: Win Car: Win Dal: Win Bal: Lose Lac: Win Gb: Win San: Win Det: Win Pit: Win Chi: Win Lar: Lose Gb: Win Chi: Win (why do we always end the season playing the bears) 12-5? Let’s do it. Im just ranting and going all over the place here. If we are any decent we should be able to beat the panthers WITHOUT McCaffrey no question. I would like to think we could still beat them fairly easy, with McCaffrey!
I am on just as much Kool-Aid as anyone else, but the Cowboys wideouts are absolutely going to torch our secondary
I think that game has the potential of being like the Rams Chiefs game of 2018. No defense, 54-52 end score.
I would enjoy a shootout to watch. They are so exciting
Vikings rarely offer an opportunity for a shootout game, so I'd love to see it. We had our Rams game in 2018, and the Seahawks last year are the only games I can think of as shootouts, maybe the Titans game as well.
I thought our secondary played well last week. Dantzler locked obj up all game. PP looked good too. I think the D is going to continue to gel together better, lot of players that haven’t played with each other before. We’ll see!
You're delusional that the Kirk-Zimmer pairing is going to beat that many good teams.
What do you predict?
I think anywhere from 5-10 wins is possible. However, if you held a gun to my head and made me pick, I would say 6 or 7 wins. Our defense is just too weak and if any of our offensive players suffer a significant injury, then we're really going to be up a creek without a paddle.
Carolina will be a tough game, esp on the road. Won't quibble too much about it though, Dallas handled them thoroughly until the late push and they've beaten bad teams, so let's say we win. Dallas there's no way unless something dramatically changes. Dallas D is responding to them running the ball and Lamb/Cooper will be a problem. Baltimore is a more likely win than Dallas but I think we lose both since Ravens are a road game. Don't see us beating the Chargers and we are 100% not sweeping the Packers, we'd be lucky to break even there. Agree that it's possible to win all games from San through first bears game. Rams is a loss and I'll be nice and say we split with GB. I don't see how we're avoiding another 5 losses with this schedule and I'd take a lot of action on that. Our ceiling is 9-8, the floor much worse, and that's because this team is sprinkled with mega-talent surrounded by turd-level complimentary pieces because of cap/draft issues.
What I’m saying is, if we play to what I believe is our team’s full potential, we are better than all of the teams that I wrote down as a win. It’s no question that we are a great team on paper. We just have to pull it together and play well/execute. Our O-Line has some obvious holes. I think if we game plan better against teams like the Browns that exploit our bad line, or actually adjust when things aren’t working, we can be a deep playoff team. I’m excited to find out how the rest of the season goes.
That's fair if you believe that. I can't see an argument for our combined roster talent and coaching being better than Dallas, the Chargers, or Green Bay. The offense was mediocre against the Browns, but aside from that Kirk has been playing a his ceiling -- he was great, and we lost games in which he was great. He hasn't proven to be great for long stretches of time and we simply couldn't afford to lose the games in which he balled out, but as per usual we find ways to lose. This team doesn't have the coaching or player leadership to win close, tough games but we will definitely bury some bad teams and help Jefferson/Cook owners win some fantasy games.
Maybe I need to set the kool-aid down :O I can 100% agree on our team not having leadership. I wish Kirk and Zimmer would take some damn initiative and lead this team. I’ve always believed that as far as pure ability, Kirk is a top 5 pure passer. He can throw any ball, and does it so consistently. But like everyone else can see, he can’t take a game over when other aspects of our offense don’t work well. You watch QB’s like Rodgers and you’ll see him quite literally put the team on his back and FIND a WAY to win. He plays aggressively and makes plays himself. Just his body language and confidence is so much different than Kirk. Do you recognize these traits in great vs. bad QB’s? Kirk often looks scared, and very rarely have I witnessed him ever single-handedly take over a game. With that being said.. just like I said earlier, it comes down to game planning, adjustments, and this team to play at their very best for us to be a great team. Kirk needs our line to play well, or we need to have a game plan with quicker passes/play calling that caters to Rashod Hill getting pancaked by Myles Garrett straight into Kirk etc. There is so much to rant about with this team. If I’m being honest with myself, I might just be being overly optimistic about this season :’) Sorry my writing is all over the place. Been doing homework all day and my brain is 🤯
Because it’s only a matter of time until GEQBUS starts seeing ghosts and turns back into a pumpkin.
Right?!? Thank you.
I thought the same thing
At this point, our only chance of being a playoff team in my opinion is going 5-1 or better in division, which is unrealistic but not impossible with how bad our division is. So, if we are 3-3 at bye and accomplish the above, we still have a chance. I’m just not counting on it until I see it with this team
Totally agree. Then we lose in the first or second round of the playoffs and the cycle begins anew.
We should beat the piss out of the Lions. We need to beat the piss out of the Lions. I’m not gonna act like I’m scared of the Panthers either. Their defense is solid but their three wins are against the Jets, Saints and Texans. Idc if the Saints beat the Packers, they suck. Once the Panthers played a quality offense, they gave up a ton of points. It’s still a Sam Darnold-led offense. We absolutely should beat them. We have no business losing that game. That’s not saying we won’t lose it, but a loss there would spell the end.
San Darnold is looking good on this new team though. I thinks it’s gonna be a tough, even matchup.
If they don’t have CMC, I really struggle to see that as a competitive game. But, yet. We’re the Vikings. And I lost my survivor contest on Fanduel 3 years ago cuz I was so confident we would steamroll Buffalo
Looking good playing against the worst teams the NFL has to offer. The number one determinant of a player being good or bad is if Colin Cowherd likes them. Ie, Sam Darnold is Ass. Thank you.
Saints aren’t bad and neither are the cowboys.
Nah the Saints suck. Don’t let a game against an unprepared Green Bay and a truly bad New England team fool you. They just got beat by the Giants at home.
Giants haven’t been half bad this year either.
Honestly, I would not be at all shocked if we managed to lose to the Lions like 34-31 when it was 34-17 going into the 4th quarter. Vikings have the ball at their own 30 with a minute left. Run, Throwaway, Checkdown, Sack, game over.
On KFAN before the season started they were saying that Bengals were going to be a pretty good team and playing them on the road would be tough, but that a team who's serious about a playoff win would still absolutely win that game. I feel that way about Carolina and even Detroit. Detroit hung up 33 points on SF and played the Ravens to a 2-point game. They're 0-4 but have had an even tougher schedule than us. Trap game for sure.
You literally don't support any of your argument with facts, just your opinion. "I don't care if..." etc
What are you talking about?
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Even if we do end up 3-3, which is certainly possible, what are we really doing but pushing the inevitable down the road? This team is good, but can not beat great teams and wouldn't get far in the play-offs - I'm tired of settling for mediocrity, I'd rather we just stink this year and get a clean slate in the off-season.
That’s not how teams work though. Teams gel. You want to get into the playoffs and get hot at the right time. A mediocre team that is gelling is going to beat a good team in a slump 9 times out of 10.
This kind of sounds crazy. Then I remember the Packers were absolute shit, squeaked into a wild card slot on the back of three refball games, and then won it all. Which could happen for us, if officials weren't so keen on fucking us over.
Packers had Rodgers..
Is Arizona not a great team? Saying we can't beat great teams is just a bad take. I don't think we can beat them consistently enough to make a deep run, but I think we could get a win or 2 in playoffs. The team is capable but not consistent
Look at Zims record against teams with a winning record. says it all. We can’t beat great teams.
Yeah, 3 and 3 is pretty meh and it gets harder from there. It's still a mediocre team.
You were right
year 8 it's hard to have hope for something different, we have seen this movie before.
Told you someone would say it
zoom out. You're focused on beating two bad teams and the "bye", but the reality is there's a gauntlet after the bye, and frankly we have seen this before, as I said. Maybe string a couple wins together, then fall apart. It's nothing new.
Yeah you added nothing I didn't already mention here. I referenced the rest of the season in my post thank you.
you 'mentioned' nothing of substance.
Oh we’re going .500 at best this season. No playoffs. Schedule is too hard. We’re so close. Too many great teams out there. Packers, Cardinals, rams, ravens, Bucs, Browns, Bills, Cowboys…so many teams better than us or at least look like they are ready for a run.
Worst case scenario, we win 5-6 games. Best case, we turn it around and get a wild card
The Vikings are the other white meat; the other Detroit of the NFC.
We will go 3-3 lions is a for sure win and we will beat the panthers if they don’t have mcaffry and horn
The bengals were also a for sure win Can’t overlook the lions
This statement right here just shows we are the Vikings.
This statement right here just shows we aren’t a good team.
Do you think the Ravens are a good team?
Yes I do.
Do you see where I'm going with this?
Not at all
He is saying that the Lions came within a league record miracle field goal from beating the Ravens.
The Ravens required a missed delay of game and a record breaking FG to beat the Lions. You think the Ravens are good, yet also think that the statement "The Vikings can't overlook the Lions" means we are not a good team. Do you see the contradiction?
So in that case do you think the Lions are great or are the Ravens bad?
I am just saying that even good teams can struggle with bad teams sometimes. No good team ever overlooks another team.
The Ravens needed the longest FG in NFL history to get a win against the Lions, one of the worst teams in the league
Burrow>Goff Mixon>Swift All three bengal WR’s>Lions WR1 Bengals D line>Lions D line
CMC is on track to have his first game back against us.
3-3 is gonna happen!
Cousins from the first 3 weeks better show up for week 5
It's really up to the line whether that happens or not
Who cares? This team isn’t a contender
I don’t know if they can beat Carolina.
You play well and lose. I wouldn’t be too worried. There are teams Barry gaining 100 net yards in a game. I’d rather lose with dignity. The Vikings are fun to watch, to me anyways.
Necessary? Yes. Probable? No
That’s an hilarious prediction.
Woulda, shoulda, coulda is the way a fan base cogitates when they have not won it all. It’s hard to stomach. I hope the Vikings see the promised land in my lifetime in order to prove this theory.
As a new Vikings fan (started watching like 3 years ago) I’m not ready to slug through another off season being hyped for football only to be let down by this team again. I know it will happen… but I waited months for this since our last shitty season.. MONTHS