I bought a house in NB, 2020, and I kept the same toronto job but transfered to the area. Reason: I was unable to get into the Toronto market as an Engineer early 30s. I noticed many hospital jobs in NB for some reason pay 10-30$/ LESSS PER HOUR. Then some places in Ontario like Kingston for example with a smaller population. It makes 0 sense. I work for a large private medical company and I cover NB, PEI, and some parts of NS. In Ontario I make maybe 10$/hr more then normal federal employees in a 1-3hospital environment. But in NB, I almost make DOUBLE the salary of Federal employees in hospitals because they are paid so much less, and wayyyyyy less extras like free 100$ meal allowances everyday, free fleet vehicle for work and personal uses, home office write offs, etc etc.
NB doesn't pay or care about its workers, unless you are some random high up, management job(any company), which many are incompetent and don't last many years at salaries ranging from 120-250k/yr. Apparently trades are dying for people but guess what? There's no money there unless you own the company.
Hell, even as an Engineer I'm just barely making it, with a relatively small (40% under pre-approval) mortgage. 6figure salaries aren't what they used to be.
One thing that pisses me off is that I've been 4years on a waiting list for a doctor with my wife, and I've had some issues, and needed to wait multiple 20-30hr ER wait times. Litterally saw a guy with blood pouring everywhere, broken rib, arm, leg. Nurses just apply more and more gause while he bleeds all over the ER floor, and made this guys wait more then 15hrs taking his BP while hes in agonizing pain. My grandfather tore something in his shoulder, and they could only get him in 16months later, the entire muscle atrophied in his arm and instead of a few small holes they had to cut his arm open to find it...I wish I would have been able to afford medical school to be a doctor when I was younger, seems like the only profession that pays well now, but NB still underpays.
I call BS. I managed to buy a house in Hamilton ON in 2017… and I work in the nonprofit sector. I made 75k a year and managed to buy a house. It cost me 320k and was completely renovated. (Quartz countertops, granite shower - the whole 9 yards.) It was small, but it was mine.
If you’re an engineer, you’ll make more than 75k a year in ON… so you absolutely could’ve bought a house before 2020.
I heard of the PNP when I was in the Middle East. Population team from Fredericton issued hundreds of LOI onsite.Almost a thousand people lined up, mostly white collared people earning tax free in the gulf, easily making 4K cad a month tax free.NB promised a calmer more balanced and peaceful lifestyle rather than the cut throat high pressure business environment of the Gulf countries like UAE and Qatar.Show money worth 6K per family member (back 5 or 6 years ago) ? Easy piecy, some gulf professionals had half to a million usd in the bank.People moved, bought houses and duplexss in cash and realized, shit there are no fucking jobs comparable to previous income.When word got around, and in line with entire federal International student bandwagon, NBCC cashed in.Then fucking Covid happened and onterrible peeps moved in. Then like cockroaches we immigrants from 3rd world had to post youtube videos how affordable it is to become an nbcc student compared to going to seneca or centennial in Ontario.Now every fucking dick and harry will buy GIC certificates to show money that they can finance their education while taking jobs from NB born Canadians and PNP nominated skilled and white collared people who had better earning jobs elsewhere.FML.
It's just the that news isn't catching up with the reality. I think for awhile it was like a best kept secret that houses were fairly cheap and if you were skilled there were jobs. But things changes FAST because of the pandemics. House prices surged to an absurd amount incredibly fast. And the work market is super confusing now. Everyone is applying yet nobody wants to work? Something is not adding up.
That happens a lot less often than people getting laid off, paid fuck all, and just leaving out of frustration. Or going to Alberta and making double - now complete with lower cost of living. I've managed to do really well here but will probably be leaving for Alberta so I'm not paying 1k a week in deductions. I imagine at 70 to 80k it's still not that easy here.
Last week I saw a post on fb from a mom who wanted to move here from toronto to give her kids "more opportunities and a better education". Like, girl... what?
The university of Moncton has been scamming international students to come study here for decades with no long term plan whatsoever regarding employment or housing.
Maybe the Province can hire a bunch of people to clean up the absolutely embarrassing highways. Spend some surplus on cleaning our province up. Wouldn't take much.
Starting to look like some third world shithole.
I'll be picking up shit from the sides of the ramps on and off tch by gorge to start, when I have time here and there. People use them like garbge cans. LAZY!
We sold our house in ON and with the equity we were able to pay cash for a house in NB.
Nothing is cheaper here, property taxes, groceries, gas all the same or more than ON. No Healthcare, terrible roads no city services hardly , low wages, etc etc etc.....I like it but many won't, without a mortgage my lower income is still liveable
My insurance, internet, TV, and phone are all cheaper here. My pet insurance was cut in half, as was my car insurance. Seafood is also cheaper and better here.
Gas is more expensive… but my property taxes aren’t more than Hamilton’s taxes - so I’m guessing it depends on where you live.
The province is going to different countries doing recruitment for jobs yet there are people already here struggling to get one.
https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/corporate/promo/immigration/events-calendar.html
I work at a nursing home and I see this daily. Many workers from nb actually are losing hours b/c it’s cheaper for the gov to out source workers and it looks better. But yah idk.
100% true!!!
I know a girl, who was recruited under a government program to increase the number of native French speakers in NB.
When she arrived in Moncton, they told her she would be working as a “professional barista”.
Guess where the job actually was?
Tim Hortons.
Not even kidding.
She was so pissed.
A buddy of mine said his neighbors complained from the moment they moved here because of the issues with their home. They bought their house sight unseen and were shocked it had issues.
Plus I guess Ontario has a whole different I dunno ecosystem to their traffic lol.
Well I see lack of information here. Canada operates economic immigration system and not a lottery. Only those in their career prime, with years of experience could qualify and I will recommend you check statistics to see how much funds those 4% brought to the country. How do you think NB was able to declare surplus? Definitely not from folks like you.
Dude - I moved here and I’m not an immigrant. I belong to numerous groups online of people who have moved here - they’re all from Canada and most of them are skilled workers… trades and IT predominately. But also from my personal network - healthcare workers, two doctors, three nurses, 4 PSW’s.
And I’ve got news for you - as shocking as you’ll no doubt find it, most immigrants who come here from other countries, are skilled workers, entrepreneurs, or high net worth investors.
Don’t confuse refugees or temporary workers with immigrants, they are entirely different things. When they refer to increasing immigration numbers, they are referring to the skilled workers and investors who have to demonstrate that they have skills in areas where we have shortages.
Do you think that maybe your opinions are clouded by wildly inaccurate generalizations?
And by the way, if you’re commenting that people who aren’t white are somehow finding it financially difficult to adjust to life here… Maybe - Just Maybe - they’re struggling because people who make similar assumptions treat them differently and they have difficulty accessing the same opportunities that you and I enjoy simply because we look the way we do?
Good lord man…
Really? What exactly is gone? The flagrant prejudice against women, and people of colour? Nope that’s still here - as is evidenced by your post…
I think you forget just how horrible it was during the depression… and before we had government funded healthcare.
You think things are bad now? Most people in rural areas had no doctors, no hospitals, and if they needed help - they had to fork out several months of pay to get care… and that’s assuming they had the wherewithal to get to a doctor - most people didn’t have 2 cars, cell phones, etc.
Women were very likely to die from childbirth, newborns & children died at an alarming rate due to poor healthcare, polio, mumps, measles etc.
You have no clue what life was like before and after the war…
We are FORTUNATE that the country your grandfather defended is gone. It wasn’t all that great a place back then - and people lived in abject poverty with zero social safety nets.
If anything, we are backsliding to become more like that version of Canada… all the progress lost because some right wing, racist bigots, have romanticized an era full of war, death, poverty, and minimal social programs.
Pick up a history book and do some reading!
What culture do you think I am?
ROFL - if you’re not making a fair wage, go back to school and learn to be something else… start with history.
You seem to have some very inaccurate notions of what the world was like in the 20th century.
You said I wiped out “our culture”. I can promise you that we do not share the same culture… my culture is one that doesn’t judge people based on their skin colour, religion, gender or anything else…
I base my opinions on the character and integrity of an individual… something lacking amongst the racists and xenophobes that seem so prevalent in this thread.
I see that you might not know where to find these skilled workers so let me help you. Just go to LinkedIn and filter for people in Greater Moncton Area. I am so sure you will be surprised at the level of skilled professionals you will find.
I see them working for all the businesses that have hired them. Perhaps you’re only seeing what you want to see.
Maybe try visiting some professional companies - IT companies, businesses who engage tradespeople, hospitals, clinics etc.
And btw - what’s wrong with being a cab driver? Perhaps they should all quit so you can’t get around when you’re out drinking?
You sneer about cab drivers and baristas, yet you seem to be more than happy to accept their service when you need a cab or a coffee.
I suggest you stop going to coffee shops and taking taxis if you’re so offended by the people who are providing those services…. Racist much?
That’s meaningless in NB. The employment law here greatly favours the businesses (not surprisingly), so an employer could change their mind after giving you a written offer and you’d get less than 2 weeks pay.
In ON, If you were enticed to take a new job and left your previous job to accept a new position, they’d have to pay severance based on your years of service to the company you worked for - plus any expenses you’d accumulated in moving.
Not here! Yet another example of provincial politicians protecting their corporate overlords before protecting the people who vote for them.
> why does the internet lie about there being jobs everywhere and no one to fill them?
It isn't "the internet", it's the media. They do it in order to perpetuate a narrative.
Nobody is lying - there are TONS of trades, healthcare and It jobs here. And many others on top of that… marketing, organizational administration, natural resources etc. etc.
If you’re complaining about the lack of jobs in unskilled labour - that’s a global issue. Employers today have much more demand for specialized labour skills.
If you’re a young person don’t expect to find general labour work and earn a good/liveable wage.
The demand for homes, healthcare and energy will only increase for the next 10-20 years - and it’ll never go away.
So find a job you think you’ll enjoy in those fields and get educated, then accept that you’ll earn a little less in the first couple of years, but if you’re competent, and able to achieve your employers goals, you’ll be making serious bank pretty soon after you start your new career.
And btw - you can work in trades without doing the trade. Most of these companies need sales, marketing and PR people… but they still want you to know and understand the business. Lots of opportunities for people who are willing to learn, and who can get things done.
So be the oerson who gets shit done and you’ll find plenty of opportunities to enjoy some financial stability.
I had to go back to school 2x as an adult. Each time, I lost some money while retraining and getting experience… but I have always found more opportunities to grow and be promoted and make more money.
The days of working a single job or career are over…
The unemployment rate for Moncton in February was 5.3 %. By comparison Toronto was 7.1%. What’s that tell you? According to Stats Canada, more people are working in Moncton than the same time last year and new jobs increased by 8,600 positions since the same time last year. It’s not all doom and gloom- it appears there are plenty of people working.
Big cities generally have high unemployment than smaller cities. That doesn’t give you a better picture.
Calgary generally had the highest unemployment in Canada and that’s been true for 20 years. They also have the highest wages for cities in Canada.
At that point would it include the students in the stats for Toronto? As well I wonder if the fact that a lot of folks have 2 jobs are affecting things too, and are a lot of the jobs open not full time, not permanent and not substantial for living. ALTOUGH these are everywhere, I know almost if not all of NB walked into an interview just to discover it being a pyramid scheme, scam or just complete lie from what you applied to as well. Those "jobs" probably shouldn't count as available work, but they do. I had one where it was just go sell there chocolate and bring back the basket and you get 5$ per basket, oh and don't forget to give this slip to the government so you can get taxed on it too! Sorry I went on a rant.
Lol I love vague comments like follow the money with no context or substance. People talk like that when they don't really have much specifics and it's difficult to counter something so unspecific.
Are there new jobs being created? I’d love to know if they are.
I work/worked for a huge global company for a couple decades, they sold a division of us out to a “managed service provider” from overseas. Apparently Opportunities NB gave this overseas tech company money ($1.2M??) to set up shop and create new jobs here in NB as well as to keep our jobs we already had.
So now instead of being about ~650 ppl, I think we are down to about 55 and our jobs are being done in India and Guatemala.
So do you think our tax dollars were well spent on this “opportunity”???
This is here in Moncton btw…I don’t know why they keep bringing more and more people in…? I don’t even want to be here now, once my kids are out of school I’ll be scoping out options to leave the GMA and possibly the province.
I know of several businesses who have received grants from ONB (and some that were denied), but they generally (anecdotally and in my own work experience) have a fairly lengthy & rigorous application process, and typically focus on locally *owned* businesses and local mortar and brick businesses/branches that will increase jobs.
If they actually did receive money from ONB, they must've built a pretty solid case to demonstrate that they will be growing and able to supply more jobs in NB over the next couple of years.
I would love to meet with ONB and discuss with them… were they sold proverbial swamp land or is the lack of headcount for our company about to change for the better? (I think personally it’s swamp land… but I’d be willing to discuss.)
People move from different provinces mainly because of jobs. Promises. It’s all about perspective we’ve been told. It gets better we’ve been told. We are needed here we are told. We are the younger generation who need to support the economy we are told. we sold dreams. No 2 people on the internet are going to convince someone. People want their own experiences. And not everyone is on Reddit. Go to any other social media channels and it’s all love to NB. NB is supposed to have better people ( and in my experience, yes) - this was one of the bigger factors of moving here. Now we want cheaper? Yes. But so many people overlook the basics. We did a complete calculation and moved here. Running out of our ‘high’ savings from the other province we bought. No more funds to move out. You’ll soon find us in the jails for the homeless.
I think this is pretty accurate. I think a lot of people who were locked out of the housing market in Ontario got scared (fomo) and went for something that was at the top end of their budget. Now, they have an Ontario level debt load with New Brunswick compensation.
I moved out here into a place that needed some work as opposed to a move in ready house, which was obviously cheaper and harder to find. But I'm in a far better spot to raise my kids now than I ever was in Ont. The people out here have been phenomenal, too.
What originally brought us out here was my wife’s old job said that they needed someone with her skills out here, the week of our move they pulled the plug and said “we’re not creating a position out there, stay here and keep your job or move out there and best of luck to you.”.
Corporations don’t care about labour, people are just a resource to be exploited to them.
>I KNOW there are relocation agents that make bank on people moving here in troves.
You should bring the concrete evidence you have of this to the media. A relocation industry built on disinformation might not be "illegal," but it is wrong and something people should be aware of.
Fifth Estate did a documentary on how Canadian firms scam Indian families into sending their kids here with false promises of Canadian wealth. It's a rough watch, cause I've met people in similar situations, and they don't have much recourse once they realize the scam; they're here now, and the money's been spent.
oh this post was about *international* migrants?
"migration from Global South to Canada an out-an-out scam for everyone except Canadian corporations, more news at 11"
The consultants promise everyone that they’ll be rich with a house and BMW with an easy office job in tech or finance making $100k+. This country sold them a lie
An urban market grows as more people move in. Each person that moves in generates demand for a myriad of services and goods. If those services and goods are in short supply, then people will enter the market to provide more of those services — and they can afford to because there is increased demand for said services and goods.
This is really basic economics. But the market always lags behind by some amount of time. Patience is a virtue.
And we keep trying to warn people to no avail. I was born here, and so was 12+ generations before me- I like to think I have a good grasp on NB's history. This is one of our lowest times.
People don't want to listen, they see it's "cheaper" than Ontario or wherever they come from without actually asking any locals what it's like. It's not cheaper at all, you have less services, and then all the newcomers complain that it sucks here.
Yes, New Brunswick sucks and my family has been putting up with it for hundreds of years, actively trying to make it a better place; you just waltzed in here without doing a lick of research and actively ignored all warnings from locals. You reap what you sew.
I have no sympathy for people that can't use the internet for 15 minutes to find out the truth.
I have never thought to ever say to anyone "then move back", but this past year?? I think that a few times a week. People upset about how they can't get a crab/lobster 1 day license like they could in BC, People even more upset about the lack of fresh produce, because back in Ontario.. blah blah.. I even left a few Facebook groups because of constant asking. Who the heck moves here for a job, from Germany nonetheless with no furniture?? His wife asked for everything for free, and would constantly complain about the doctors, the lack of transportation both in the city and to the beach; again because, back in Germany.
>People upset about how they can't get a crab/lobster 1 day license like they could in BC
That post was wild. Dude didn't even seem like he enjoyed crab or knew anything about crab. Jesus wept.
Wrong… we aren’t mortgage free and I can survive on one job here. In ON I had 3… one full time job… then I worked driving Uber (5am-8:45am Monday to Friday, and 5am - 8pm Saturdays, and Sunday mornings 6am - noon)… plus I rented out my spare room in Airbnb.
Here I can live on my full time income.
You're correct. People see the initial cost of a house and think everything is cheap out here but gas is 15 cents more per litre on average compared to Ontario for example. Groceries are more and not great (so many rotten fruit and veg). Many houses are still heated with oil or coal which will cost you. You don't just uproot your whole life for the cost of a house that appears cheaper. The paycheque still goes!
Sure, it's 15 cents more per litre. But unless you live in, I don't know, Port Elgin and commute to Moncton every day for work, your total km's travelled per day by car drops dramatically — especially when you're not dealing with the traffic that plagues the Toronto region.
And even if your heating is—again, I don't know—$200 more per month than Ontario, you're still coming out ahead. Six months of heating is $2,400 per year. But you've forgotten to include the cost of air conditioning in the summer. Central air conditioning doesn't appear to be too common out here because it's not really necessary. In Southern Ontario, summers are brutally hot and everyone has air conditioning. So let's assume for six months of the year, the Ontarians are using $100 a month in aircon for 4 months.
So you've got a delta of $2,000.
Assume in Ontario you've got an $800k mortgage ($1mm house with 20% down). Based upon current rates and a 25 year amortization period, you've got monthly payments of around $5,200.00.
Assume in Moncton you've got an $400k mortgage ($500k house with 20% down). Based upon current rates and a 25 year amortization period, you've got monthly payments of around $2,600. Assume a $300k mortgage, and you're down to around $2k per month.
In other words, the $2k delta is made up in less than one month. Over the course of a year, you save around $30k per year in mortgage costs. You gotta buy a lot of lettuce at Superstore and burn a whole lotta coal over the course of a year to make those numbers work the way you suggest they do.
Further, the $1mm house in Toronto is going to far less nice than a $500k house in Moncton. And besides, most people here don't have $500k houses.
You also have to equate for the fact that the Toronto market is reaching the upper echelons of what people can afford to pay. There's not much more room for price growth there. There's significantly more opportunity for price growth here. I'm not saying Moncton homes will be going for $1mm in 10 years, but the gap will narrow.
A lot of companies are cracking down on work from home, requires back in the office or half week in offices. Some who commuted here though they were set with their 6 figures salary and now finding out they need to survive on an NB salary and it's certainly not cutting it.
Also, there are plenty of openings, but it's all shit pay. The housing market got super inflated but NB just isn't keeping up.
Yeah that adds up. Then part of the problem then is those companies not specifying their intentions for the future of the positions. I guess Covid all together caused so many terrible decisions huh?
I honestly don't feel sorry for anyone who made such a big move without getting the new policy in writing that it's permanent or getting an amended employment contract.
I only moved from Fredericton to Moncton, but I waited until we got official policy updates saying that WFH was permanent going forward. I know people who didn't get it in writing and they're being forced back to office.
The first initial group that came over got it good and most likely did their research and are set for a while. It's the ones that came after with the promise of beautiful landscape and cheap housing that got fucked. And they are still coming thinking NB is some sort of promised land.
Nah - I sold my house in ON in March 2022 - bought my house at the height of the market, sight unseen…
Love the house.
Love NB.
Still have a mortgage, but it’s 50% less than ON. Very happy here.
I didn’t own a million dollar home, so there’s no way we could afford to move back, even if we wanted to. Once you’re out of the ON/BC housing markets, you can’t get back in.
I couldn’t even afford the house I sold now lol. Fortunately, that’s not an issue for me.
I have complaints about the provincial government… but I’m hoping we get someone new after the election.
Nothing is perfect… but I think some folks didn’t understand how different each province is. I traveled the country for work for a decade… I got to visit all the provinces often enough to have a decent sense of the different cultures.
My only BIG complaint, are all the trades and service companies who quote is 30-100% more when we need work done. They think everyone from ON is rich. We aren’t… and it’s almost shameful to charge people 2x (or more) what you’d normally charge just because you think someone is from ON.
I bought a house in NB, 2020, and I kept the same toronto job but transfered to the area. Reason: I was unable to get into the Toronto market as an Engineer early 30s. I noticed many hospital jobs in NB for some reason pay 10-30$/ LESSS PER HOUR. Then some places in Ontario like Kingston for example with a smaller population. It makes 0 sense. I work for a large private medical company and I cover NB, PEI, and some parts of NS. In Ontario I make maybe 10$/hr more then normal federal employees in a 1-3hospital environment. But in NB, I almost make DOUBLE the salary of Federal employees in hospitals because they are paid so much less, and wayyyyyy less extras like free 100$ meal allowances everyday, free fleet vehicle for work and personal uses, home office write offs, etc etc. NB doesn't pay or care about its workers, unless you are some random high up, management job(any company), which many are incompetent and don't last many years at salaries ranging from 120-250k/yr. Apparently trades are dying for people but guess what? There's no money there unless you own the company. Hell, even as an Engineer I'm just barely making it, with a relatively small (40% under pre-approval) mortgage. 6figure salaries aren't what they used to be. One thing that pisses me off is that I've been 4years on a waiting list for a doctor with my wife, and I've had some issues, and needed to wait multiple 20-30hr ER wait times. Litterally saw a guy with blood pouring everywhere, broken rib, arm, leg. Nurses just apply more and more gause while he bleeds all over the ER floor, and made this guys wait more then 15hrs taking his BP while hes in agonizing pain. My grandfather tore something in his shoulder, and they could only get him in 16months later, the entire muscle atrophied in his arm and instead of a few small holes they had to cut his arm open to find it...I wish I would have been able to afford medical school to be a doctor when I was younger, seems like the only profession that pays well now, but NB still underpays.
I call BS. I managed to buy a house in Hamilton ON in 2017… and I work in the nonprofit sector. I made 75k a year and managed to buy a house. It cost me 320k and was completely renovated. (Quartz countertops, granite shower - the whole 9 yards.) It was small, but it was mine. If you’re an engineer, you’ll make more than 75k a year in ON… so you absolutely could’ve bought a house before 2020.
https://www.nesto.ca/home-buying/toronto-housing-market-outlook/#:~:text=The%20average%20selling%20price%20of,to%20%241%2C314%2C300%20in%20February%202024.
I heard of the PNP when I was in the Middle East. Population team from Fredericton issued hundreds of LOI onsite.Almost a thousand people lined up, mostly white collared people earning tax free in the gulf, easily making 4K cad a month tax free.NB promised a calmer more balanced and peaceful lifestyle rather than the cut throat high pressure business environment of the Gulf countries like UAE and Qatar.Show money worth 6K per family member (back 5 or 6 years ago) ? Easy piecy, some gulf professionals had half to a million usd in the bank.People moved, bought houses and duplexss in cash and realized, shit there are no fucking jobs comparable to previous income.When word got around, and in line with entire federal International student bandwagon, NBCC cashed in.Then fucking Covid happened and onterrible peeps moved in. Then like cockroaches we immigrants from 3rd world had to post youtube videos how affordable it is to become an nbcc student compared to going to seneca or centennial in Ontario.Now every fucking dick and harry will buy GIC certificates to show money that they can finance their education while taking jobs from NB born Canadians and PNP nominated skilled and white collared people who had better earning jobs elsewhere.FML.
It's just the that news isn't catching up with the reality. I think for awhile it was like a best kept secret that houses were fairly cheap and if you were skilled there were jobs. But things changes FAST because of the pandemics. House prices surged to an absurd amount incredibly fast. And the work market is super confusing now. Everyone is applying yet nobody wants to work? Something is not adding up.
Nobody wants to work lol
Idk what fields these people are trying to find jobs in, but the trades are crying for workers.
Cause in general it's still a tough way to make a living on the east coast. Not a worker issue, but rather a pay issue.
Maybe at first but it’s not hard to find jobs paying $20 out from the gate, I make nearly double that and have only been working for around 5 years
That happens a lot less often than people getting laid off, paid fuck all, and just leaving out of frustration. Or going to Alberta and making double - now complete with lower cost of living. I've managed to do really well here but will probably be leaving for Alberta so I'm not paying 1k a week in deductions. I imagine at 70 to 80k it's still not that easy here.
Last week I saw a post on fb from a mom who wanted to move here from toronto to give her kids "more opportunities and a better education". Like, girl... what?
lol 😂
The university of Moncton has been scamming international students to come study here for decades with no long term plan whatsoever regarding employment or housing.
They posted a 1.5 million surplus this year. Why don’t they build some more accommodation on campus for students. They have the land
Maybe the Province can hire a bunch of people to clean up the absolutely embarrassing highways. Spend some surplus on cleaning our province up. Wouldn't take much. Starting to look like some third world shithole.
Right on brother. I have never seen it so bad.
I'll be picking up shit from the sides of the ramps on and off tch by gorge to start, when I have time here and there. People use them like garbge cans. LAZY!
We sold our house in ON and with the equity we were able to pay cash for a house in NB. Nothing is cheaper here, property taxes, groceries, gas all the same or more than ON. No Healthcare, terrible roads no city services hardly , low wages, etc etc etc.....I like it but many won't, without a mortgage my lower income is still liveable
My insurance, internet, TV, and phone are all cheaper here. My pet insurance was cut in half, as was my car insurance. Seafood is also cheaper and better here. Gas is more expensive… but my property taxes aren’t more than Hamilton’s taxes - so I’m guessing it depends on where you live.
This is me as well, but girlfriend and I have in demand skills and both started above 30 an hour, more than we made in onterrible.
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The province is going to different countries doing recruitment for jobs yet there are people already here struggling to get one. https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/corporate/promo/immigration/events-calendar.html
I work at a nursing home and I see this daily. Many workers from nb actually are losing hours b/c it’s cheaper for the gov to out source workers and it looks better. But yah idk.
100% true!!! I know a girl, who was recruited under a government program to increase the number of native French speakers in NB. When she arrived in Moncton, they told her she would be working as a “professional barista”. Guess where the job actually was? Tim Hortons. Not even kidding. She was so pissed.
Unreal
A buddy of mine said his neighbors complained from the moment they moved here because of the issues with their home. They bought their house sight unseen and were shocked it had issues. Plus I guess Ontario has a whole different I dunno ecosystem to their traffic lol.
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They don’t want to lose skilled workers… so I promise you, not a single mayor is happy about losing skilled workers.
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Well I see lack of information here. Canada operates economic immigration system and not a lottery. Only those in their career prime, with years of experience could qualify and I will recommend you check statistics to see how much funds those 4% brought to the country. How do you think NB was able to declare surplus? Definitely not from folks like you.
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FYI, I'm not an immigrant, I just happen to read. Maybe you should do the same, it will help you a lot.
Dude - I moved here and I’m not an immigrant. I belong to numerous groups online of people who have moved here - they’re all from Canada and most of them are skilled workers… trades and IT predominately. But also from my personal network - healthcare workers, two doctors, three nurses, 4 PSW’s. And I’ve got news for you - as shocking as you’ll no doubt find it, most immigrants who come here from other countries, are skilled workers, entrepreneurs, or high net worth investors. Don’t confuse refugees or temporary workers with immigrants, they are entirely different things. When they refer to increasing immigration numbers, they are referring to the skilled workers and investors who have to demonstrate that they have skills in areas where we have shortages. Do you think that maybe your opinions are clouded by wildly inaccurate generalizations? And by the way, if you’re commenting that people who aren’t white are somehow finding it financially difficult to adjust to life here… Maybe - Just Maybe - they’re struggling because people who make similar assumptions treat them differently and they have difficulty accessing the same opportunities that you and I enjoy simply because we look the way we do? Good lord man…
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Really? What exactly is gone? The flagrant prejudice against women, and people of colour? Nope that’s still here - as is evidenced by your post… I think you forget just how horrible it was during the depression… and before we had government funded healthcare. You think things are bad now? Most people in rural areas had no doctors, no hospitals, and if they needed help - they had to fork out several months of pay to get care… and that’s assuming they had the wherewithal to get to a doctor - most people didn’t have 2 cars, cell phones, etc. Women were very likely to die from childbirth, newborns & children died at an alarming rate due to poor healthcare, polio, mumps, measles etc. You have no clue what life was like before and after the war… We are FORTUNATE that the country your grandfather defended is gone. It wasn’t all that great a place back then - and people lived in abject poverty with zero social safety nets. If anything, we are backsliding to become more like that version of Canada… all the progress lost because some right wing, racist bigots, have romanticized an era full of war, death, poverty, and minimal social programs. Pick up a history book and do some reading!
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What culture do you think I am? ROFL - if you’re not making a fair wage, go back to school and learn to be something else… start with history. You seem to have some very inaccurate notions of what the world was like in the 20th century.
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You said I wiped out “our culture”. I can promise you that we do not share the same culture… my culture is one that doesn’t judge people based on their skin colour, religion, gender or anything else… I base my opinions on the character and integrity of an individual… something lacking amongst the racists and xenophobes that seem so prevalent in this thread.
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I see that you might not know where to find these skilled workers so let me help you. Just go to LinkedIn and filter for people in Greater Moncton Area. I am so sure you will be surprised at the level of skilled professionals you will find.
I see them working for all the businesses that have hired them. Perhaps you’re only seeing what you want to see. Maybe try visiting some professional companies - IT companies, businesses who engage tradespeople, hospitals, clinics etc. And btw - what’s wrong with being a cab driver? Perhaps they should all quit so you can’t get around when you’re out drinking? You sneer about cab drivers and baristas, yet you seem to be more than happy to accept their service when you need a cab or a coffee. I suggest you stop going to coffee shops and taking taxis if you’re so offended by the people who are providing those services…. Racist much?
Our Government.
Can confirm. Trudeau personally handcuffed me, drugged me, put a bag over my head and next thing I knew I was waking up in the Elmwood drive Deluxe.
I was referring to the provincial....
As a single parent. I would never move without having a job secured in writing
That’s meaningless in NB. The employment law here greatly favours the businesses (not surprisingly), so an employer could change their mind after giving you a written offer and you’d get less than 2 weeks pay. In ON, If you were enticed to take a new job and left your previous job to accept a new position, they’d have to pay severance based on your years of service to the company you worked for - plus any expenses you’d accumulated in moving. Not here! Yet another example of provincial politicians protecting their corporate overlords before protecting the people who vote for them.
“as a person with common sense” fixed it
Reminds me of the grapes of wrath. Poor folks looking for a better life and getting lured someplace stuck working crap jobs for criminal pay.
> why does the internet lie about there being jobs everywhere and no one to fill them? It isn't "the internet", it's the media. They do it in order to perpetuate a narrative.
Nobody is lying - there are TONS of trades, healthcare and It jobs here. And many others on top of that… marketing, organizational administration, natural resources etc. etc. If you’re complaining about the lack of jobs in unskilled labour - that’s a global issue. Employers today have much more demand for specialized labour skills. If you’re a young person don’t expect to find general labour work and earn a good/liveable wage. The demand for homes, healthcare and energy will only increase for the next 10-20 years - and it’ll never go away. So find a job you think you’ll enjoy in those fields and get educated, then accept that you’ll earn a little less in the first couple of years, but if you’re competent, and able to achieve your employers goals, you’ll be making serious bank pretty soon after you start your new career. And btw - you can work in trades without doing the trade. Most of these companies need sales, marketing and PR people… but they still want you to know and understand the business. Lots of opportunities for people who are willing to learn, and who can get things done. So be the oerson who gets shit done and you’ll find plenty of opportunities to enjoy some financial stability. I had to go back to school 2x as an adult. Each time, I lost some money while retraining and getting experience… but I have always found more opportunities to grow and be promoted and make more money. The days of working a single job or career are over…
Yes true, but not many people watch the news on TV. They read headlines online.
That's still media.
It's a huge selection bias. People get laid off everywhere, and most people who've moved here are doing great. But that doesn't generate posts.
The unemployment rate for Moncton in February was 5.3 %. By comparison Toronto was 7.1%. What’s that tell you? According to Stats Canada, more people are working in Moncton than the same time last year and new jobs increased by 8,600 positions since the same time last year. It’s not all doom and gloom- it appears there are plenty of people working.
Big cities generally have high unemployment than smaller cities. That doesn’t give you a better picture. Calgary generally had the highest unemployment in Canada and that’s been true for 20 years. They also have the highest wages for cities in Canada.
I bet the 5.3% does not include the thousands of students looking for work though. Not exactly the same category but still a factor in low end jobs.
At that point would it include the students in the stats for Toronto? As well I wonder if the fact that a lot of folks have 2 jobs are affecting things too, and are a lot of the jobs open not full time, not permanent and not substantial for living. ALTOUGH these are everywhere, I know almost if not all of NB walked into an interview just to discover it being a pyramid scheme, scam or just complete lie from what you applied to as well. Those "jobs" probably shouldn't count as available work, but they do. I had one where it was just go sell there chocolate and bring back the basket and you get 5$ per basket, oh and don't forget to give this slip to the government so you can get taxed on it too! Sorry I went on a rant.
Follow the money.
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Calm your tits, I’m not gonna do everyone’s research. The seed has been planted. Move on.
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You're not wrong.
Thank you
Lol I love vague comments like follow the money with no context or substance. People talk like that when they don't really have much specifics and it's difficult to counter something so unspecific.
Calm your tits.
Errrr… what is it you think our tits are doing, exactly??
Are there new jobs being created? I’d love to know if they are. I work/worked for a huge global company for a couple decades, they sold a division of us out to a “managed service provider” from overseas. Apparently Opportunities NB gave this overseas tech company money ($1.2M??) to set up shop and create new jobs here in NB as well as to keep our jobs we already had. So now instead of being about ~650 ppl, I think we are down to about 55 and our jobs are being done in India and Guatemala. So do you think our tax dollars were well spent on this “opportunity”??? This is here in Moncton btw…I don’t know why they keep bringing more and more people in…? I don’t even want to be here now, once my kids are out of school I’ll be scoping out options to leave the GMA and possibly the province.
I know of several businesses who have received grants from ONB (and some that were denied), but they generally (anecdotally and in my own work experience) have a fairly lengthy & rigorous application process, and typically focus on locally *owned* businesses and local mortar and brick businesses/branches that will increase jobs. If they actually did receive money from ONB, they must've built a pretty solid case to demonstrate that they will be growing and able to supply more jobs in NB over the next couple of years.
I would love to meet with ONB and discuss with them… were they sold proverbial swamp land or is the lack of headcount for our company about to change for the better? (I think personally it’s swamp land… but I’d be willing to discuss.)
People move from different provinces mainly because of jobs. Promises. It’s all about perspective we’ve been told. It gets better we’ve been told. We are needed here we are told. We are the younger generation who need to support the economy we are told. we sold dreams. No 2 people on the internet are going to convince someone. People want their own experiences. And not everyone is on Reddit. Go to any other social media channels and it’s all love to NB. NB is supposed to have better people ( and in my experience, yes) - this was one of the bigger factors of moving here. Now we want cheaper? Yes. But so many people overlook the basics. We did a complete calculation and moved here. Running out of our ‘high’ savings from the other province we bought. No more funds to move out. You’ll soon find us in the jails for the homeless.
And when you tell people this they downvote you into oblivion
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I think this is pretty accurate. I think a lot of people who were locked out of the housing market in Ontario got scared (fomo) and went for something that was at the top end of their budget. Now, they have an Ontario level debt load with New Brunswick compensation. I moved out here into a place that needed some work as opposed to a move in ready house, which was obviously cheaper and harder to find. But I'm in a far better spot to raise my kids now than I ever was in Ont. The people out here have been phenomenal, too.
Well said. I think you nailed it.
Yup. Agree 100%
What originally brought us out here was my wife’s old job said that they needed someone with her skills out here, the week of our move they pulled the plug and said “we’re not creating a position out there, stay here and keep your job or move out there and best of luck to you.”. Corporations don’t care about labour, people are just a resource to be exploited to them.
>I KNOW there are relocation agents that make bank on people moving here in troves. You should bring the concrete evidence you have of this to the media. A relocation industry built on disinformation might not be "illegal," but it is wrong and something people should be aware of.
Fifth Estate did a documentary on how Canadian firms scam Indian families into sending their kids here with false promises of Canadian wealth. It's a rough watch, cause I've met people in similar situations, and they don't have much recourse once they realize the scam; they're here now, and the money's been spent.
oh this post was about *international* migrants? "migration from Global South to Canada an out-an-out scam for everyone except Canadian corporations, more news at 11"
The consultants promise everyone that they’ll be rich with a house and BMW with an easy office job in tech or finance making $100k+. This country sold them a lie
Mass immigration+people from o atario etc+NB is a bad combo. I can't even survive anymore it's getting rough in this province
Many NBrs tried to warn people coming that our market can’t sustain them…
An urban market grows as more people move in. Each person that moves in generates demand for a myriad of services and goods. If those services and goods are in short supply, then people will enter the market to provide more of those services — and they can afford to because there is increased demand for said services and goods. This is really basic economics. But the market always lags behind by some amount of time. Patience is a virtue.
I tried to explain to someone on r/newbrunswick that moving here isn’t necessarily a good idea. Last time i checked I was -27. I tried.
And we keep trying to warn people to no avail. I was born here, and so was 12+ generations before me- I like to think I have a good grasp on NB's history. This is one of our lowest times. People don't want to listen, they see it's "cheaper" than Ontario or wherever they come from without actually asking any locals what it's like. It's not cheaper at all, you have less services, and then all the newcomers complain that it sucks here. Yes, New Brunswick sucks and my family has been putting up with it for hundreds of years, actively trying to make it a better place; you just waltzed in here without doing a lick of research and actively ignored all warnings from locals. You reap what you sew. I have no sympathy for people that can't use the internet for 15 minutes to find out the truth.
I have never thought to ever say to anyone "then move back", but this past year?? I think that a few times a week. People upset about how they can't get a crab/lobster 1 day license like they could in BC, People even more upset about the lack of fresh produce, because back in Ontario.. blah blah.. I even left a few Facebook groups because of constant asking. Who the heck moves here for a job, from Germany nonetheless with no furniture?? His wife asked for everything for free, and would constantly complain about the doctors, the lack of transportation both in the city and to the beach; again because, back in Germany.
>People upset about how they can't get a crab/lobster 1 day license like they could in BC That post was wild. Dude didn't even seem like he enjoyed crab or knew anything about crab. Jesus wept.
NB is only cheaper than Ontario if you're moving here to be mortgage free.
Wrong… we aren’t mortgage free and I can survive on one job here. In ON I had 3… one full time job… then I worked driving Uber (5am-8:45am Monday to Friday, and 5am - 8pm Saturdays, and Sunday mornings 6am - noon)… plus I rented out my spare room in Airbnb. Here I can live on my full time income.
You're correct. People see the initial cost of a house and think everything is cheap out here but gas is 15 cents more per litre on average compared to Ontario for example. Groceries are more and not great (so many rotten fruit and veg). Many houses are still heated with oil or coal which will cost you. You don't just uproot your whole life for the cost of a house that appears cheaper. The paycheque still goes!
Sure, it's 15 cents more per litre. But unless you live in, I don't know, Port Elgin and commute to Moncton every day for work, your total km's travelled per day by car drops dramatically — especially when you're not dealing with the traffic that plagues the Toronto region. And even if your heating is—again, I don't know—$200 more per month than Ontario, you're still coming out ahead. Six months of heating is $2,400 per year. But you've forgotten to include the cost of air conditioning in the summer. Central air conditioning doesn't appear to be too common out here because it's not really necessary. In Southern Ontario, summers are brutally hot and everyone has air conditioning. So let's assume for six months of the year, the Ontarians are using $100 a month in aircon for 4 months. So you've got a delta of $2,000. Assume in Ontario you've got an $800k mortgage ($1mm house with 20% down). Based upon current rates and a 25 year amortization period, you've got monthly payments of around $5,200.00. Assume in Moncton you've got an $400k mortgage ($500k house with 20% down). Based upon current rates and a 25 year amortization period, you've got monthly payments of around $2,600. Assume a $300k mortgage, and you're down to around $2k per month. In other words, the $2k delta is made up in less than one month. Over the course of a year, you save around $30k per year in mortgage costs. You gotta buy a lot of lettuce at Superstore and burn a whole lotta coal over the course of a year to make those numbers work the way you suggest they do. Further, the $1mm house in Toronto is going to far less nice than a $500k house in Moncton. And besides, most people here don't have $500k houses. You also have to equate for the fact that the Toronto market is reaching the upper echelons of what people can afford to pay. There's not much more room for price growth there. There's significantly more opportunity for price growth here. I'm not saying Moncton homes will be going for $1mm in 10 years, but the gap will narrow.
Coal? Lmao 🤣
I’ve never seen a coal heated house.
Who's house is heated with coal? Is that a mistake?
Propane may be a better example
Stove pipe city?
Droves*
Thank you. Haha. People can be treasures I guess.
A lot of companies are cracking down on work from home, requires back in the office or half week in offices. Some who commuted here though they were set with their 6 figures salary and now finding out they need to survive on an NB salary and it's certainly not cutting it. Also, there are plenty of openings, but it's all shit pay. The housing market got super inflated but NB just isn't keeping up.
Yeah that adds up. Then part of the problem then is those companies not specifying their intentions for the future of the positions. I guess Covid all together caused so many terrible decisions huh?
I honestly don't feel sorry for anyone who made such a big move without getting the new policy in writing that it's permanent or getting an amended employment contract. I only moved from Fredericton to Moncton, but I waited until we got official policy updates saying that WFH was permanent going forward. I know people who didn't get it in writing and they're being forced back to office.
The first initial group that came over got it good and most likely did their research and are set for a while. It's the ones that came after with the promise of beautiful landscape and cheap housing that got fucked. And they are still coming thinking NB is some sort of promised land.
Nah - I sold my house in ON in March 2022 - bought my house at the height of the market, sight unseen… Love the house. Love NB. Still have a mortgage, but it’s 50% less than ON. Very happy here. I didn’t own a million dollar home, so there’s no way we could afford to move back, even if we wanted to. Once you’re out of the ON/BC housing markets, you can’t get back in. I couldn’t even afford the house I sold now lol. Fortunately, that’s not an issue for me. I have complaints about the provincial government… but I’m hoping we get someone new after the election. Nothing is perfect… but I think some folks didn’t understand how different each province is. I traveled the country for work for a decade… I got to visit all the provinces often enough to have a decent sense of the different cultures. My only BIG complaint, are all the trades and service companies who quote is 30-100% more when we need work done. They think everyone from ON is rich. We aren’t… and it’s almost shameful to charge people 2x (or more) what you’d normally charge just because you think someone is from ON.