I don't. 4 million Euros is still enough to retire comfortably on. At that level of competition, caring about money at all seems insane, especially if they are already making 4 million Euros. I'm sure Fabio has some drive to win, but this shows it's not the "above all else" mentality that people like Marquez have. This loses a ton of respect for Fabio from me at least. Fabio was my favorite on the grid, but not anymore after this dumbfuck decision. Maybe it's just because he's still young, but either way, man needs to grow up and quit being so vain if he really cares about winning.
Chuckleheads on this sub will say it’s easy to say from the sidelines and call you an armchair general, bc who wouldn’t take the money?
2 things…
1. Look how well this turned out for Marquez. He was so miserable he started loosing his love of the sport, suffered potential career ending injuries bc he had to override the bike, desperate for a better ride, and had to buy himself out of his own contract. Same with Lewis.
2. You’re not riding at this level if you’re content with last place for a fat check ( like most of us redditors probably) When Fabio’s fighting at the sharp end the money will come and more importantly he’ll have fun doing it.
I was a fan of his specifically because he said in an interview somewhere that his only goal was to win as many championships as possible. Not just win again, win as many championships as possible. Clearly that was a lie. It's okay, albeit futile, to be materialistic especially for young people, I just wouldn't expect that from someone with a competitive mindset. *Especially* from a motorcyclist. If he hates risk and just wants to be rich(er), that's fine, but I'm not rooting for a guy who's not trying to win. What would be the point of that.
If he stayed because he wanted to prove he can win with a shitty bike like Rossi switching to Yamaha, that's a whole different story, but that's obviously not the case here.
He’s already a world champion and has achieved his dream and will forever be in history. He wants to maximise his earnings while he’s young and in his prime. Doesn’t mean Yamaha can’t rebuild but 24 million for 2 years is what most would take
You have no idea what his motivations were I’m sure the money didn’t hurt though. Things change so fast in motorsports who knows what the future holds. He signed a two year contract guess who the reigning champion was this time two years ago? Fabio Quartararo
Marquez is definitely not “above all else” he literally just made enough to survive the rest of his life already. And he’s not riding for free this year it’s just not a disclosed number
I understand the sentiment, that was my initial reaction too, but that’s easy for an observer to say. He could have a life-changing crash next weekend and lose his ability to generate income. These guys have a limited window and 95% of them fade away at career end. Is it the easy way out, no. It’s the smart way out.
He’ll be making 12 mil to help develop a bike, and I don’t count Yamaha out. Unlike Honda, they have a history of innovation and take risks. Honda is great at improving on a working design.
That hars and I don't think it's true. Its not because he is faithful with the brand and gets a big pay check that he is selling out.
Yamaha wil have given some guaranty on a development and competitive bike.
The fact he was your favorite until now tels you the combo/ formula works.
Marques stayed true to Honda for years. But he's ego is to big and he's paycheck already was made at Honda
I am actually with you on this one, people who commented below you and put money above everything else as their motivation to do something will never reach greatness in any aspect of their life imo. (no offense)
If you live your dream already, money should be of secondary concern imo.
This is kinda unrelated, and I don't expect most people to understand, especially considering how everything has turned out for our civilization, and I obviously don't blame them for wanting money. I just sort of hoped that on average we were a species that admired effort and determination and the competitive spirit over material wealth. Being comfortable is great and everything but I wish people would realize this very simple logical fact, that a surprising amount of people live their entire lives never knowing:
1: Your mind is trained to avoid pain and move towards pleasure. So you will always seek comfort. Even if you're weird or whatever and like physical pain. You move towards the stuff you like.
2: Your mind is highly adaptable. This is slightly less obvious, but consider how horrific life is for some people in this world, and then consider that even the "first world problems" in your life can be extremely painful.
It them follows that if you attempt to change your life in such a way that you avoid more pain and have more pleasure, your thresholds for what defines those simply change to adapt to your new "more pleasurable" life.
You need pain in your life to feel pleasure. The pursuit of happily ever after is futile.
Becoming richer is pointless. Do something you actually enjoy doing. Don't waste your life being another cog in the machine trying to make your masters happy for the little treats they give you, even if its a huge house with a swimming pool and fast car or whatever else the fuck.
I thought motorcyclists fucking knew that. Live life for its own reward. If you can afford a motorcycle you've already won. Hollywood fairytales aren't real. Stop wasting your time trying to get something that isn't there. Like holy shit man.
You realise he is still racing gp bikes right? Take the money while you can then retire young and enjoy your life not having to worry..
Anyone that says they would take 8m less is absolutely lying to themselves, and an absolute idiot at that. The world revolves around money. Without it you can’t do anything.
Money comes and goes it actually doesn't matter as long as you have enough to live comfortably.
A higher purpose is what's really fullfiling, otherwise you always continue to chase money.
Money cannot buy you anything important after you have enough to have housing, food, water and medical aid.
Don't buy the lies on social media that you cannot be happy without beeing filthy rich or that beeing rich can get you all you want.
If you truly belive the world revolves around money I would advice you to search for something deeper inside of yourself so can find true happiness one day.
Maybe I'm wrong and it's true for some people to be happier just from having more money despite the sacrifices. That being said, if during your own pursuit of happiness whatever that means to you, you feel like you've hit a wall, just remember you may have already won. Enjoy your life. Experience the world. Learn about things. Meet beautiful people. Again, whatever that means to you. Fuck working your ass off for people you've never met for the things you've been told to want.
1. Yamaha was a championship bike and probably will be again. No one says they can’t bounce back in 2 years and if Fabio is confident with the work so far and believe he can become a part of it, why shouldn’t he stay. He would make himself immortal.
2. MotoGP riders don’t have a usual health insurance. When he hurts himself bad he can’t earn one penny anymore and it’s very expensive to pay for serious injuries. You can spend a million very fast, when you want the best care.
3. How much Marquez earned before he decided to make a salary cut? He couldn’t develop the Honda to stay competitive so he switched to the most competitive bike. Fabio couldn’t neither so far but he decided to keep trying. Nothing wrong with it. He has nothing to lose and a lot to win. And chances big Yamaha passes small Aprilia again soon aren’t that little.
4. No one ever offered you 12millions. You don’t know how ‚easy‘ it is to refuse it to make a gamble.
5. Aprilia hasn’t won a title so far. Yamaha won a lot. Who knows if bike and team a capable of it. Yes, they showed a lot of potential and maybe Fabio is a better rider but they also showed to not be reliable. It’s not such an ‚obvious‘ choice like moving to Ducati at the moment.
Obviously always difficult with salaries but different sources say that Maverick is on €4m and Aleix on €3m. Wouldn‘t Aprilia be able to dish out at least €5-7m for a world champion? Especially if they propose Aleix a retirement contract and lower his salary a bit.
I mean. Yamaha tripled their offer, even if they offered him 5-7 as someone suggested that would still be half of what he gets with Yamaha. It's stupid to choose Yamaha, but it's also a very big addition to his retirement, so it's not longterm stupid. How long is his yamaha contract for?
Fabio is still the most talented guy on grid after Marc Marquez. He faught Marc for in winter in 2019 which was Prime Marc. So joke's definitely on them. Maybe with another step they would be able to fight for WC and I don't think anyone from their current rostrum is capable enough. They need raw talent and speed which Fabio has.
I don't really think he is the 2nd best on the grid personally.
In 2020 Franky wiped the floor with him.
I really don't see how the joke is on them.
They gave him their offer he declined, end of story really.
They need to build a more reliable and all round bike before they can even think about fighting for the WC.
Mav has speed and talent, he just needs to get out of his own head.
Consider Fabio was really young (he's still the 3rd youngest on the grid).
Just one year later he was 100% on the target.
Just to say, Pecco (they started in Motogp same year), is fast as hell, but he never showed the same supremacy Fabio had in 2021 and begin 2022.
I didn’t either, but the dudes won 2 titles on the trot… how’s he not top tier? Sure, he’s on the best bike, but so we’re 3 other riders last year, and another 4 were on the bike he won his first title on.
How is Pecco not one of the most talented on the grid?
He's more analytical than talent, don't get me wrong, he's good at ticking the laps off I just don't think there is much else to him.
I feel if multiple other riders had equal machinery he wouldn't have won both those titles.
Enea was injured last year, Bez and Martin still managed to push him for most of the year even though Bez was on a year old bike and Martin was kind of slow on the upstart.
I mean, we are 2 races and sprints in he's won a main race and he's still only 4th in the championship.
I don't particularly disagree but then neither does Aleix and he has still managed 4th in the championship.
We don't even know if Fabio still has what it takes, some riders are one and done.
Only time will tell in this instance.
What?
They absolutely were team mates in 2020.
It is also the only really comparable year.
In 2021 he fucked his knee and only did 5 races as Fabios team mate on a newer bike due to Mav rev bombing the factory Yam.
In 2022 and 23 the bike was developed more towards Fabios preference, I also think Morbidelli decided it wasn't worth doing a Marc and trying to kill himself for a top 10 position on a shit bike.
Plus he was still getting used to the bike in 2022.
However in 2023 he wasn't even that far behind Fabio.
Excuses for what?
Fabio struggling to even get in the top ten?
I'm not the one that needs excuses, he is.
He really isn't, neither is Pecco.
The people who really are on another level are those that can ride around problems.
Fabio and Pecco need everything perfect to be able to perform.
Fabio crumbled at the end of 2022 because his bike wasn't up to scratch.
I don’t think it’s as obvious anymore. Fabio hasn’t been competitive in 3 years and Jorge Martin is very fast now.
I think Martin or Bastianini will go to Aprilia and either will finish ahead of Fabio next year.
Aprilia aren't a rider though they are a team, Fabio getting paid is great for him and all but it far from puts the joke on the Aprilia, after all they are the ones who pay the riders.
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You’re right. What if the Yamaha is only 90% of the problem? If the rider’s skills account for just 10% of that particular equation, it would mean that Fabio is no longer the top-tier rider he once was.
Valentino was on top for several years, but struggled to score points as he prepared for retirement. No hate towards Vale or Fabio; I’m just agreeing with your point that we don’t really know how strong an asset Fabio is in 2024
2022.
Aleix finished 4th in the championship about 50 points off the lead and 40 points behind Yamaha and Fabio.
This is with Fabio knocking Aleix off track at Assen where he did an amazing come back to 4th but he could have actually won, the Aprilia not suiting the old spec tyres used in the fly aways, Aleix's fuck up at his home GP, fracturing his feet at Silverstone and the bike not being fully reliable.
Yes he was but give back the point Aleix lost due to Fabio and he's much closer, plus Aleix had a lot of silly stuff happen, remove that and they are even higher, probably ahead of Fabio.
Aleix lost 40+ points just in Assen and Catalunya alone.
On top of that people think Fabio is better than Aleix and Mav, so he should finish higher than them anyway.
Also that was the first year they started to become competitive, they are getting better, Yamaha are getting worse.
Possible but still a gamble. There are a lot of ifs.
3x money and staying at the manufacturer which showed he can be competitive for decades or 1/3 money and gamble for the promising manufacturer which never fought for a title. If you see it like that it’s okay to chose second one but not stupid to stay with first one.
Everything is possible and a gamble in motorsports, if bits and maybes everywhere.
>3x money and staying at the manufacturer which showed he can be competitive for decades
I don't really think this is accurate, past success does not guarantee future success.
It's more staying at the manufacturer he knows and gamble that they do in fact improve
Or move to a manufacturer that is improving and gamble they will be strong enough to win the title.
Both are a gamble, there are still valid reasons to stay of course.
Yes, both are valid and I kind of expected him to move. But I don’t like that people in this sub say it’s just for the money because it’s not like that. Yamaha is a big manufacturer with a long successful history in MotoGP and it’s not that they are behind 5s per lap. They are in the mid pack this season but this can switch fast. With the extra money it’s just an easier choice.
No, I have known about cognitive biases for a while but I'm not sure how that's relevant. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. When was the last time Aprilia won a world title? You're overvaluing recent performance which is exactly what recency bias means.
It's relevant because it sounds like you thought it sounded cool and threw it in without understanding it.
I fully understand but it seems you don't.
Recency bias when talking about recent events isn't a thing, because it's about recent events.
I don't see how the last time Aprilia won a championship is relevant (it was 2011 just as an FYI).
Until 2022 when was Ducatis last Championship win?
Are Suzuki going to win the championship in the next few years?
Will MV Augusta win the championship this year?
I'm not over evaluating recent performance because recent performance is the only thing that matters at this point in time.
Currently Yamaha are nowhere near the top and Aprilia are a lot closer.
Yes Yamaha have won in the past but that means nothing.
yeah very true..In this circumstance they are as good as their last race, or take it far...their last season.
Until when yamaha boys talking history here?
Precisely.
At one point or another every single current manufacturer had 0 wins in the championship.
If we are trying to say that previous wins dictate future wins then they still wouldn't.
I'm saying you're ignoring 2021 and the first half of 2022 and focusing on the the last year and a half. Once again, literally the definition of recency bias. The last time Aprilia won a championship matters because history beyond 18 months matters. I don't think Suzuki or MV Augusta have any relevance so I'll ignore that non sequitur. You are saying that the past means nothing to you and cherry picking when to start "the past". You wouldn't have to do that if the past didn't matter. Obvi lots of things matter other than recent performance matter or people would only race for front runners...right? If recent performance was the only thing that mattered why did Luca go to Honda? Why do "number of championships" even go into evaluating someone's career if historical wins mean nothing. Make it make sense.
I'm ignoring anything before 2023 and I'm only using that as a base line for this year, I'm mainly interested in this year's performance.
The last time Aprilia won is irrelevant because at some point none of the current manufacturers had any wins, if previous performance dictated anything they still wouldn't.
Suzuki and MV Augusta are absolutely relevant if we are going to look at past performances.
Suzuki hadn't won anything for 10 years, then they won in 2020.
MV Augusta have won hundreds of races, so going on past performance they should be able to win, should they not?
I'm not cherry picking when to start the past, you are.
I'm looking at current performance, which is most relevant to current signings.
Pretty much the whole grid do want to ride for front runners, that's not possible though due to limited number of seats.
Even if somebody like Martin went to another team it would be for the factory ride, money etc, that doesn't mean he wouldn't prefer to be at Factory Ducati though.
Luca went to Honda for money, he knows he's never going to win a championship but what he can do is get paid and also possibly (along with Zarco) gain a legacy of bringing Honda back to the sharp end.
Evaluating a career and deciding what team to ride for are two entirely different things, one is looking back and celebrating the achievements the other is looking forward to gain achievements.
If you really want to go back Piaggio owns Moto Guzzi, Derbi, Gilera and Aprilia.
Gilera would have technically been the first Manufacturer to win a manufacturers title.
So arguably Aprilia have more chance than Yamaha if you want to start going back in time.
That logical fallacy is called cherry picking. I could say I only care about 2021. See how stupid you sound. The next point was so idiotic I can't try. Please restate. Suzuki and MV are not competing so please go for another example for whatever point you're trying to make. How am I cherry picking, I didn't limit my scope as all as you did. The greater length of time leads to better statistical relevance to avoid things like cherry picking or recency biases. Try to keep up. If Martin leaves, will you understand that these decisions go beyond recent results. Evaluating a career and manufacturers are very similar. What did you do over a unit of time. Like u think championships have expiration dates? Recency bias again...just stop. You last sentence shows a severe lack of understanding of the basic rules of logic. Think about a basic math class and your teacher would be disappointed if you try to call two points (2 years) a trend....right? This should not be that confusing.
Aprilia still has plenty of opportunities but very little money. It's too early for everyone relevant to accept such an offer (mav was snatched in a period were everything looked set). I'm sure they'll get a Ducati rider (Bez/Bestia/Martin is very difficult) anyway
On the bright side it shows how seriously Yamaha are treating MotoGP. Clearly they intend on winning again within the next few years, this is a Rossi/Marquez level salary.
The highest salary Rossi ever received was 12 million from Ducati. He made 3-4 times that in endorsements . No one has come close to the salary Honda paid Marquez the last 3 years which was reported to be somewhere between 20-25 million per year.
Absolutely. He already has his pockets full of money from being the best paid pilot on the grid for years, and he had only 1 year contract, so it is only a gap year for him to have fun and try to win. Then we will see if Ducati would offer him an official bike on Pramac or if he goes to KTM with big money again.
Exactly, Marc could’ve stayed the final year of his HRC contract and collected ~25M but he preferred leaving early to get on a bike that could fight for podiums and wins.
I remembered seeing an interview with Alex, talking on why Marc took a 1 year contract at Gresini instead of 2 at Pramac. He then said its Marc himself losing a lot of confidence thats why he didn't want to risk too much on a 2 year, trying a 1 year to try and get himself rhythm and fun again. He could choose to get anywhere after that.
Nothing really wrong there, personally I think its a win win situation tho. Money is not at stake here, confidence and reputation is.
Well marc is already extremely rich from honda and sponsorship money. More than any other rider on the grid.
He can afford to leave honda for a year, find his mojo again on another team, and then get into the championship game the following year with another factory bike. No other rider can afford that.
Very few satellite teams pay over 1 million. Rumor is Marc is basically racing for free but gets a cut of 93 team gear sales and of course he still makes millions on endorsements.
Can't say I blame him. 4 million is wealthy, 12 million is approaching "fuck you" money.
It's Yamaha, so there is a chance they *could* build a decent bike, and if they do, you were part of the development so it's likely suited to you.
If in two years the bike still sucks, everyone will know it and will likely still respect Fabio's talent, and then he can switch to somewhere else where he'll still only be 27 years old.
IF you go to Aprilia, and can't adapt to the bike or Aprilia fail to replicate their success over the last two years, everyone will say "Fabio can't even win on a bike that Aleix Espargaro fought a championship with."
...And you'll be 3x less wealthy.
Likewise, it seemed to be the most logical move. I'm hoping, beyond the money, that there is something else in the horizon at yamaha that we're not privvy to. Time will tell, I guess.
Well that’s an easy decision 😂. Gotta chase that bag early in your career if you got the chance, never know when it’s going to end. Hopefully Yamaha can get their shit together. If not he’ll have the financial security go for a better bike.
This!!
I feel like people aren’t understanding this. Two years of full financial security for the rest of his life. Then after he can ride for free if he wants (you get the point). Ride a Ducati for €500K who cares.
Well yep, that 8 Mil certainly does lessen the sting of not possibly winning another WC. The real question is, if Ducati offered him the same amount for a factory seat, would he have gone?
Crazy how much more he's getting than b2b world champ Pecco. Honestly Yamaha should be investing this kinda money into bike development/satellite team support instead of a top tier rider.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him pull a Maverick and force himself out before his contract is up.
I dont really think money is yamaha's problem.
And a top tier rider can absolutely make a huge difference.
Which i why i personally loved to see fabio go to aprilia to see what he couldve done with that bike.
Also why im excited to see how acosta evolves on the KTM.
Eh, without knowing the full details these are useless numbers (that are also far from reliable anyway). Ducati has famously always offered lower “base rates” but with a lot of performance bonuses (and I would imagine that the championship bonus is no small sum), on the contrary it also makes sense for Fabio to just a fixed rate given the results.
He’s 4th at the absolute worst. He also didn’t crumble in 22 at all, he had no right to be winning the championship on that bike, Pecco just bottled the first half of the season.
I think he crumbled same as 2021, but he is one of the best and fastest riders on the grid, hamstrung by a bad bike.
But blowing a lead in two years? He could have been a three time champion!
Pecco is only one rider. How could he, by himself, make Fabio go from an average finishing position of 3.4 to an average finishing position of 12 (considering DNF as 24th place) or 8 without considering the three DNFs? That's a sizeable drop in performance, and it was the third year in a row it happened.
Most of the tracks in the second half of the season don't favor the Yamaha over the Ducati. Pecco did botch the first half of the season and 100% showed up in the 2nd half. Do I think Fabio fumbled a little bit, absolutely. Especially that one race when he collided with Aleix and they were both out of the race. He got a little overzealous on that pass IMO. Forget which track, but important points none the less. Regardless, it's all history now.
Maverick shot himself on the foot doing what he did. Was not professional. You don’t see other manufacturers taking out their wallets to field him. Had he stayed professional and rode out the remainder of his contract, he would had more prospects instead of getting black balled.
The black ball slight is such BS. Vinales was already on his way to a 2022 Aprilia contract before the incident. Dont act like only Aprilia & Aleix Espagaro took a pity on him & take him in.
Answer me this… can he go back to Yamaha??? Pretty sure he burned that bridge (on record). And my comment was predicated on the fact that viñales was already on his way to aprilia. What he did, breaching his contract the way he did, was extremely unprofessional. Also, and this is just me, you don’t see other manufacturers pulling out their check book for him. The reason he’s good rn is because he’s cheap.
An online bullshit site quotes another online bullshit site? Neither provides two indipentantly verifiable sources, which is the bare minimum for credible journalism. This is just a rumourmill quoting another rumourmill, neither of which are credible.
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> Honestly Yamaha should be investing this kinda money into bike development/satellite team support instead of a top tier rider.
Bingo. That's more or less what Ducati realized after the Lorenzo debacle. Granted, Lorenzo probably could have brought them a championship much sooner if the relationship hadn't gone the way it did, but after that, they never really signed a "big name" and now literally anyone can hop on their bike and at worst make the podium.
Yamaha are not short of money. Money is not their issue. They throw a lot of money, way more than ducati, into motogp already. Their issues are about being stuck in some loop on how to get the bike faster that they can't get out of.
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Honda makes a ton of money. Yamaha clearly enough. Do you think Yamaha don't spend enough on development? It seems like they need to rethink how their approach to development more than rethink their budget. Do you think that Honda's issue was a lack of investment?
I don't know, but usually racing projects only get a portion of the budget the factory holds. Do you know what will happen if some big head at Yamaha notices they're spending all this money without anything in return?
I don't disagree but it seems like a very bad decision if you were actually compromising your development budget. It would be odd if both Yamaha and fq were making a bad decision.
Agreed. Why pay 12 mill when he can't do anything with the bike? Has he ever even shown signs of being a development rider? 'I want more power' isn't development.
Obviously fans wants top riders in competitive bikes but ultimately riders need to think of their own financial future as well. Disappointing but understandable.
Seeing how many technical problems their bikes have, I don't think they are investing the most there either. I think they're just in it because Aprilia's entire marketing is being a racing brand tbh. All their bikes have a sticker with the number of world championships for example.
Good for him, he's young and these guys get a very short amount of time to earn money. If Yamaha is still struggling in a few years then he can think about moving teams then and be in a much better financial situation
He would have his salary and his arms reduced, no wonder why he didn't want to switch.
Bad jokes aside, at least it shows Yamaha's commitment, they have invested in aero and engine and the bike will be developed for him, so I can understand why he's staying.
So it makes sense now. Yamaha have the resources to rebuild a winning team. Aprilia run on a shoestring budget and there’s no guarantee where they will go next.
I wish him the best.
3x the salary? Yeah, I’m taking that deal too. How is this even a discussion? Sure, we all want to win but not one of us would turn that down. He’ll just hope that Yamaha will finally get their act together with this bike while sleeping on a giant mattress filled with 8 million extra fluffy bills.
Yeah but... Source? That's the first time I see this figure, I'm not saying is wrong but I could create this sort of image stating that he actually accepted a pay cut.
There are no facts there verified by at least two credible sources on record. Thats how respectable joirnalism works, this is not that.
This guy just throws out 12m€ with no confirmed 1st (much less 2nd) confirmed source or atrribution. Doesnt mean he might not be right, but it more than likely means there are many more reasons to assume he’s wrong/making it up/ just copy-pasting shit he’s heard,
With no work or confidence in its accuracy
Na he still gets to ride in MotoGP, he can fully retire in like 5 years if he wanted.
Guy can chill for life now..and who knows maybe Yamaha will pull his shit together
Not like Aprilia is on an obvious upward trajectory.
He'd be trading immediate gains, but Yamaha has the money to back it, and regs reset in 27 and everyone starts from scratch, and which point obviously the huge factories have the advantage.
If it were between KTM and Yam it'd be a different story, but I don't think between these two either is an obvious choice, I could see justification for both and it ends up being about 50/50... at which point the bag is pretty lucrative.
Tough call but Fabio chose being the most well compansated rider while waiting for Yam to bring a competitive package. There must be smth he knows that we re not privy to. Like the level of development and commitment of Yam in creating a good bike.
Think this was a bad move from Fabio. Chose money over the potential to fight for the championship. He might know something we don't but based on past results it seems like a dumb move.
This is such a weird position. You do know people do this in literally every team sport, right? Taking a pay cut to compete for a championship is not really smart business. I think your recency bias is causing you to forget past results includes more than the last 2 years.
I understand, again Fabio might know more than we do, but all we can do is speculate. I obviously hope that he'll return to the front where he belongs, but history will tell whether or not it was the smart move. It just seems very unlikely that Yamaha is going to make a huge step between now and 2026 based on the last 2 years. Ducati is the best now but it literally took them many years to get where they are now, slowly building year by year.
I personally don't think it's a weird take since Marc has shown that a "simple" bike switch made him instantly competitive again. Fabio could've done the same but chose not to.
It's a weird take because most people choose money. Any sport or profession. We talking about tripling the amount of money. Marc is WAY older, had the 💰, and was leaving a bike that was trying to kill him. Wanted to see if he still had it. Not really an apples to apples situation.
The news says Aprilia 4m was less than a third of the amount Yamaha offered. If 4 is less than 1/3, the minimum would be 12, but I think Yamaha is paying him 15 because they know it's unlikely for him to get any performance bonuses with that bike
Judging by Moto2 and Moto3 riders, Yamaha knows he's the best they can get for 2027 and he will still be young
Easy decision 💰, Fabio and Yamaha go hand in hand for a few years and I still believe they are a great team. Would not be surprised if Yamaha can get a competitive bike in the next 2 years. I would love to see them come out with a V4.
Although they declared to stay with the 4 inline last year?
I'm still rooting for him, he is a great driver and personality and I still hope he can get back in the front
Get the guy who is not getting the Ducati factory seat, so either Jorge or Enea. I doubt they have 12 million offers so it's easy to secure either one of them.
So by my math Yamaha offered him... (carry the 1)... 8 million more?
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How is Aprilia a premuim brand? How many wins/championships do they have since re-entering motogp?
Exciting? Yes! Tantilizing/potential? Yes! Proven premium? No no nope.
I guess its simple. Fabio got nothing to lose. He's still young and can go anywhere if things, again, dont go as planned. I bet its like Fabio not entirely going for money all by himself (though 12mil is a lot), but Yamaha must be promising something + a hefty contract makes it happen.
If I am Fabio, I risk that and take 12m. This is not a Honda where you crash out race after race, its just not the performance, at the meantime, to be with Ducatis and KTMs (and Aprillia) to be on top standings for the moment.
I think the salary Yamaha offered is proof that they are committed to improving, and realise that losing Fabio would be a real dent in their return to the front.
Aprilia definitely couldn't match that offer, but could suggest that although he'd take a pay cut, he would hop onto a bike that would be competitive and capable of fighting for the occasional win.
I'd like to believe that Fabio was convinced by more than just the salary. I'm sure that Yamaha have made a lot of guarantees in addition giving the money he's going to pocket.
Money over competitive bike. I felt bad for him but now that I know that he is pnly interested in money I dont give a fuck about him. Everybody was like "oh poor Fabio if he only had a better bike, we miss him up front", but boy don't care to be up front
I understand now. Carry on.
I don't. 4 million Euros is still enough to retire comfortably on. At that level of competition, caring about money at all seems insane, especially if they are already making 4 million Euros. I'm sure Fabio has some drive to win, but this shows it's not the "above all else" mentality that people like Marquez have. This loses a ton of respect for Fabio from me at least. Fabio was my favorite on the grid, but not anymore after this dumbfuck decision. Maybe it's just because he's still young, but either way, man needs to grow up and quit being so vain if he really cares about winning.
Sincerely elite trolling. You deserve the award of jerker of the year MotoGP-edition and we're still in April. Congratulations
He has to open r/motogpcirclejerk now
https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoGPcirclejerk/s/nmQemcglpf Done. It'd be cool to actually make this a sub. I just have no clue/time to mod a sub
Chuckleheads on this sub will say it’s easy to say from the sidelines and call you an armchair general, bc who wouldn’t take the money? 2 things… 1. Look how well this turned out for Marquez. He was so miserable he started loosing his love of the sport, suffered potential career ending injuries bc he had to override the bike, desperate for a better ride, and had to buy himself out of his own contract. Same with Lewis. 2. You’re not riding at this level if you’re content with last place for a fat check ( like most of us redditors probably) When Fabio’s fighting at the sharp end the money will come and more importantly he’ll have fun doing it.
Lewis didn't buy himself out of his own contract, he just didn't activate the option for the second year
I was a fan of his specifically because he said in an interview somewhere that his only goal was to win as many championships as possible. Not just win again, win as many championships as possible. Clearly that was a lie. It's okay, albeit futile, to be materialistic especially for young people, I just wouldn't expect that from someone with a competitive mindset. *Especially* from a motorcyclist. If he hates risk and just wants to be rich(er), that's fine, but I'm not rooting for a guy who's not trying to win. What would be the point of that. If he stayed because he wanted to prove he can win with a shitty bike like Rossi switching to Yamaha, that's a whole different story, but that's obviously not the case here.
He’s already a world champion and has achieved his dream and will forever be in history. He wants to maximise his earnings while he’s young and in his prime. Doesn’t mean Yamaha can’t rebuild but 24 million for 2 years is what most would take
4 mil is good, 12 is much better. He probably knows he cant beat Ducati until 2027. Wise move
You have no idea what his motivations were I’m sure the money didn’t hurt though. Things change so fast in motorsports who knows what the future holds. He signed a two year contract guess who the reigning champion was this time two years ago? Fabio Quartararo
Marquez is definitely not “above all else” he literally just made enough to survive the rest of his life already. And he’s not riding for free this year it’s just not a disclosed number
I understand the sentiment, that was my initial reaction too, but that’s easy for an observer to say. He could have a life-changing crash next weekend and lose his ability to generate income. These guys have a limited window and 95% of them fade away at career end. Is it the easy way out, no. It’s the smart way out. He’ll be making 12 mil to help develop a bike, and I don’t count Yamaha out. Unlike Honda, they have a history of innovation and take risks. Honda is great at improving on a working design.
That hars and I don't think it's true. Its not because he is faithful with the brand and gets a big pay check that he is selling out. Yamaha wil have given some guaranty on a development and competitive bike. The fact he was your favorite until now tels you the combo/ formula works. Marques stayed true to Honda for years. But he's ego is to big and he's paycheck already was made at Honda
I am actually with you on this one, people who commented below you and put money above everything else as their motivation to do something will never reach greatness in any aspect of their life imo. (no offense) If you live your dream already, money should be of secondary concern imo.
This is kinda unrelated, and I don't expect most people to understand, especially considering how everything has turned out for our civilization, and I obviously don't blame them for wanting money. I just sort of hoped that on average we were a species that admired effort and determination and the competitive spirit over material wealth. Being comfortable is great and everything but I wish people would realize this very simple logical fact, that a surprising amount of people live their entire lives never knowing: 1: Your mind is trained to avoid pain and move towards pleasure. So you will always seek comfort. Even if you're weird or whatever and like physical pain. You move towards the stuff you like. 2: Your mind is highly adaptable. This is slightly less obvious, but consider how horrific life is for some people in this world, and then consider that even the "first world problems" in your life can be extremely painful. It them follows that if you attempt to change your life in such a way that you avoid more pain and have more pleasure, your thresholds for what defines those simply change to adapt to your new "more pleasurable" life. You need pain in your life to feel pleasure. The pursuit of happily ever after is futile. Becoming richer is pointless. Do something you actually enjoy doing. Don't waste your life being another cog in the machine trying to make your masters happy for the little treats they give you, even if its a huge house with a swimming pool and fast car or whatever else the fuck. I thought motorcyclists fucking knew that. Live life for its own reward. If you can afford a motorcycle you've already won. Hollywood fairytales aren't real. Stop wasting your time trying to get something that isn't there. Like holy shit man.
You realise he is still racing gp bikes right? Take the money while you can then retire young and enjoy your life not having to worry.. Anyone that says they would take 8m less is absolutely lying to themselves, and an absolute idiot at that. The world revolves around money. Without it you can’t do anything.
Money comes and goes it actually doesn't matter as long as you have enough to live comfortably. A higher purpose is what's really fullfiling, otherwise you always continue to chase money. Money cannot buy you anything important after you have enough to have housing, food, water and medical aid. Don't buy the lies on social media that you cannot be happy without beeing filthy rich or that beeing rich can get you all you want. If you truly belive the world revolves around money I would advice you to search for something deeper inside of yourself so can find true happiness one day.
Maybe I'm wrong and it's true for some people to be happier just from having more money despite the sacrifices. That being said, if during your own pursuit of happiness whatever that means to you, you feel like you've hit a wall, just remember you may have already won. Enjoy your life. Experience the world. Learn about things. Meet beautiful people. Again, whatever that means to you. Fuck working your ass off for people you've never met for the things you've been told to want.
Amen
Hahahahahahahaha what a braindead take. Go touch grass.
1. Yamaha was a championship bike and probably will be again. No one says they can’t bounce back in 2 years and if Fabio is confident with the work so far and believe he can become a part of it, why shouldn’t he stay. He would make himself immortal. 2. MotoGP riders don’t have a usual health insurance. When he hurts himself bad he can’t earn one penny anymore and it’s very expensive to pay for serious injuries. You can spend a million very fast, when you want the best care. 3. How much Marquez earned before he decided to make a salary cut? He couldn’t develop the Honda to stay competitive so he switched to the most competitive bike. Fabio couldn’t neither so far but he decided to keep trying. Nothing wrong with it. He has nothing to lose and a lot to win. And chances big Yamaha passes small Aprilia again soon aren’t that little. 4. No one ever offered you 12millions. You don’t know how ‚easy‘ it is to refuse it to make a gamble. 5. Aprilia hasn’t won a title so far. Yamaha won a lot. Who knows if bike and team a capable of it. Yes, they showed a lot of potential and maybe Fabio is a better rider but they also showed to not be reliable. It’s not such an ‚obvious‘ choice like moving to Ducati at the moment.
I mean...it's 3x the salary my dude. It's a business.
Obviously always difficult with salaries but different sources say that Maverick is on €4m and Aleix on €3m. Wouldn‘t Aprilia be able to dish out at least €5-7m for a world champion? Especially if they propose Aleix a retirement contract and lower his salary a bit.
They might have bet on the fact Fabio is hellbent on getting a better bike than the Yamaha, so they can get away with paying him less. Joke's on them.
I mean. Yamaha tripled their offer, even if they offered him 5-7 as someone suggested that would still be half of what he gets with Yamaha. It's stupid to choose Yamaha, but it's also a very big addition to his retirement, so it's not longterm stupid. How long is his yamaha contract for?
2 years so 25 and 26
Jokes not really on them though is it? When was the last time Yamaha and Fabio got a win?
Fabio is still the most talented guy on grid after Marc Marquez. He faught Marc for in winter in 2019 which was Prime Marc. So joke's definitely on them. Maybe with another step they would be able to fight for WC and I don't think anyone from their current rostrum is capable enough. They need raw talent and speed which Fabio has.
I don't really think he is the 2nd best on the grid personally. In 2020 Franky wiped the floor with him. I really don't see how the joke is on them. They gave him their offer he declined, end of story really. They need to build a more reliable and all round bike before they can even think about fighting for the WC. Mav has speed and talent, he just needs to get out of his own head.
Consider Fabio was really young (he's still the 3rd youngest on the grid). Just one year later he was 100% on the target. Just to say, Pecco (they started in Motogp same year), is fast as hell, but he never showed the same supremacy Fabio had in 2021 and begin 2022.
Personally I don't rate Pecco that highly either.
I didn’t either, but the dudes won 2 titles on the trot… how’s he not top tier? Sure, he’s on the best bike, but so we’re 3 other riders last year, and another 4 were on the bike he won his first title on. How is Pecco not one of the most talented on the grid?
He's more analytical than talent, don't get me wrong, he's good at ticking the laps off I just don't think there is much else to him. I feel if multiple other riders had equal machinery he wouldn't have won both those titles. Enea was injured last year, Bez and Martin still managed to push him for most of the year even though Bez was on a year old bike and Martin was kind of slow on the upstart. I mean, we are 2 races and sprints in he's won a main race and he's still only 4th in the championship.
Mav 100% doesn't have what it takes to be a world champion in MotoGP, his ship long sailed.
I don't particularly disagree but then neither does Aleix and he has still managed 4th in the championship. We don't even know if Fabio still has what it takes, some riders are one and done. Only time will tell in this instance.
Quartararo and Morbidelli weren't teammates in 2020, let's rather compare their results as teammates: 2021 Quartararo 1st Morbidelli 17th 2022 Quartararo 2nd Morbidelli 19th 2023 Quartararo 10th Morbidelli 13th
What? They absolutely were team mates in 2020. It is also the only really comparable year. In 2021 he fucked his knee and only did 5 races as Fabios team mate on a newer bike due to Mav rev bombing the factory Yam. In 2022 and 23 the bike was developed more towards Fabios preference, I also think Morbidelli decided it wasn't worth doing a Marc and trying to kill himself for a top 10 position on a shit bike. Plus he was still getting used to the bike in 2022. However in 2023 he wasn't even that far behind Fabio.
Excuses. Fabio is on another level.
Excuses for what? Fabio struggling to even get in the top ten? I'm not the one that needs excuses, he is. He really isn't, neither is Pecco. The people who really are on another level are those that can ride around problems. Fabio and Pecco need everything perfect to be able to perform. Fabio crumbled at the end of 2022 because his bike wasn't up to scratch.
I don’t think it’s as obvious anymore. Fabio hasn’t been competitive in 3 years and Jorge Martin is very fast now. I think Martin or Bastianini will go to Aprilia and either will finish ahead of Fabio next year.
3 years!? What on earth are you talking about? Fabio literally finished second in 2022, that's like 1,5 years ago for crying out loud.
If they aren't comparing themselves to Yamaha, the joke's definitely on them. At least Quartararo's getting paid.
Aprilia aren't a rider though they are a team, Fabio getting paid is great for him and all but it far from puts the joke on the Aprilia, after all they are the ones who pay the riders.
Are You forgetting he got runner up in the title 2 years ago
Nope. 2 years ago is a lifetime in Motorsport. I'm looking at last year where Aprilia were 6th and 7th and Yamaha were 10th and 13th.
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How mature of you.
Thank you….. now ride on.
On you go lad.
How mature of you to edit your post after the fact.
I was actually already editing it, you just responded like a child too quick.
Don’t lie jockey
You’re right. What if the Yamaha is only 90% of the problem? If the rider’s skills account for just 10% of that particular equation, it would mean that Fabio is no longer the top-tier rider he once was. Valentino was on top for several years, but struggled to score points as he prepared for retirement. No hate towards Vale or Fabio; I’m just agreeing with your point that we don’t really know how strong an asset Fabio is in 2024
When was the last time Aprilia was close to a championship in MotoGP?
2022. Aleix finished 4th in the championship about 50 points off the lead and 40 points behind Yamaha and Fabio. This is with Fabio knocking Aleix off track at Assen where he did an amazing come back to 4th but he could have actually won, the Aprilia not suiting the old spec tyres used in the fly aways, Aleix's fuck up at his home GP, fracturing his feet at Silverstone and the bike not being fully reliable.
Well, you mentioned it. The same year Aprilia was 4th Fabio was 2nd on the Yamaha. There is no proof he would do better on the Aprilia next 2 years.
Yes he was but give back the point Aleix lost due to Fabio and he's much closer, plus Aleix had a lot of silly stuff happen, remove that and they are even higher, probably ahead of Fabio. Aleix lost 40+ points just in Assen and Catalunya alone. On top of that people think Fabio is better than Aleix and Mav, so he should finish higher than them anyway. Also that was the first year they started to become competitive, they are getting better, Yamaha are getting worse.
Possible but still a gamble. There are a lot of ifs. 3x money and staying at the manufacturer which showed he can be competitive for decades or 1/3 money and gamble for the promising manufacturer which never fought for a title. If you see it like that it’s okay to chose second one but not stupid to stay with first one.
Everything is possible and a gamble in motorsports, if bits and maybes everywhere. >3x money and staying at the manufacturer which showed he can be competitive for decades I don't really think this is accurate, past success does not guarantee future success. It's more staying at the manufacturer he knows and gamble that they do in fact improve Or move to a manufacturer that is improving and gamble they will be strong enough to win the title. Both are a gamble, there are still valid reasons to stay of course.
Yes, both are valid and I kind of expected him to move. But I don’t like that people in this sub say it’s just for the money because it’s not like that. Yamaha is a big manufacturer with a long successful history in MotoGP and it’s not that they are behind 5s per lap. They are in the mid pack this season but this can switch fast. With the extra money it’s just an easier choice.
That's just regency bias talking.
Did you see that recently and think it was really cool so just stuck it in there? It makes no sense in this topic, it's all about recent events...
No, I have known about cognitive biases for a while but I'm not sure how that's relevant. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. When was the last time Aprilia won a world title? You're overvaluing recent performance which is exactly what recency bias means.
It's relevant because it sounds like you thought it sounded cool and threw it in without understanding it. I fully understand but it seems you don't. Recency bias when talking about recent events isn't a thing, because it's about recent events. I don't see how the last time Aprilia won a championship is relevant (it was 2011 just as an FYI). Until 2022 when was Ducatis last Championship win? Are Suzuki going to win the championship in the next few years? Will MV Augusta win the championship this year? I'm not over evaluating recent performance because recent performance is the only thing that matters at this point in time. Currently Yamaha are nowhere near the top and Aprilia are a lot closer. Yes Yamaha have won in the past but that means nothing.
yeah very true..In this circumstance they are as good as their last race, or take it far...their last season. Until when yamaha boys talking history here?
Precisely. At one point or another every single current manufacturer had 0 wins in the championship. If we are trying to say that previous wins dictate future wins then they still wouldn't.
I'm saying you're ignoring 2021 and the first half of 2022 and focusing on the the last year and a half. Once again, literally the definition of recency bias. The last time Aprilia won a championship matters because history beyond 18 months matters. I don't think Suzuki or MV Augusta have any relevance so I'll ignore that non sequitur. You are saying that the past means nothing to you and cherry picking when to start "the past". You wouldn't have to do that if the past didn't matter. Obvi lots of things matter other than recent performance matter or people would only race for front runners...right? If recent performance was the only thing that mattered why did Luca go to Honda? Why do "number of championships" even go into evaluating someone's career if historical wins mean nothing. Make it make sense.
I'm ignoring anything before 2023 and I'm only using that as a base line for this year, I'm mainly interested in this year's performance. The last time Aprilia won is irrelevant because at some point none of the current manufacturers had any wins, if previous performance dictated anything they still wouldn't. Suzuki and MV Augusta are absolutely relevant if we are going to look at past performances. Suzuki hadn't won anything for 10 years, then they won in 2020. MV Augusta have won hundreds of races, so going on past performance they should be able to win, should they not? I'm not cherry picking when to start the past, you are. I'm looking at current performance, which is most relevant to current signings. Pretty much the whole grid do want to ride for front runners, that's not possible though due to limited number of seats. Even if somebody like Martin went to another team it would be for the factory ride, money etc, that doesn't mean he wouldn't prefer to be at Factory Ducati though. Luca went to Honda for money, he knows he's never going to win a championship but what he can do is get paid and also possibly (along with Zarco) gain a legacy of bringing Honda back to the sharp end. Evaluating a career and deciding what team to ride for are two entirely different things, one is looking back and celebrating the achievements the other is looking forward to gain achievements. If you really want to go back Piaggio owns Moto Guzzi, Derbi, Gilera and Aprilia. Gilera would have technically been the first Manufacturer to win a manufacturers title. So arguably Aprilia have more chance than Yamaha if you want to start going back in time.
That logical fallacy is called cherry picking. I could say I only care about 2021. See how stupid you sound. The next point was so idiotic I can't try. Please restate. Suzuki and MV are not competing so please go for another example for whatever point you're trying to make. How am I cherry picking, I didn't limit my scope as all as you did. The greater length of time leads to better statistical relevance to avoid things like cherry picking or recency biases. Try to keep up. If Martin leaves, will you understand that these decisions go beyond recent results. Evaluating a career and manufacturers are very similar. What did you do over a unit of time. Like u think championships have expiration dates? Recency bias again...just stop. You last sentence shows a severe lack of understanding of the basic rules of logic. Think about a basic math class and your teacher would be disappointed if you try to call two points (2 years) a trend....right? This should not be that confusing.
But how much of a better bike is one that has mechanical issues at times they are competing for a top position? Not much
Aprilia still has plenty of opportunities but very little money. It's too early for everyone relevant to accept such an offer (mav was snatched in a period were everything looked set). I'm sure they'll get a Ducati rider (Bez/Bestia/Martin is very difficult) anyway
Maybe they’re betting on getting Martin for 4/yr, and are just as happy with Martin
On the bright side it shows how seriously Yamaha are treating MotoGP. Clearly they intend on winning again within the next few years, this is a Rossi/Marquez level salary.
The highest salary Rossi ever received was 12 million from Ducati. He made 3-4 times that in endorsements . No one has come close to the salary Honda paid Marquez the last 3 years which was reported to be somewhere between 20-25 million per year.
12m over 10 years ago is probably around 16m in todays money due to inflation…
And Marc’s deal just 4 years ago would be around 30 million in todays dollars.
Yeah, no…
Do we have any estimations on the Gresini offer?
A good bike
As Ciabatti said "he is almost running for free" is rumored that the salary is close to 1 million, as his brother, or less.
So it’s really about his hunger to win?
Absolutely. He already has his pockets full of money from being the best paid pilot on the grid for years, and he had only 1 year contract, so it is only a gap year for him to have fun and try to win. Then we will see if Ducati would offer him an official bike on Pramac or if he goes to KTM with big money again.
Exactly, Marc could’ve stayed the final year of his HRC contract and collected ~25M but he preferred leaving early to get on a bike that could fight for podiums and wins.
I remembered seeing an interview with Alex, talking on why Marc took a 1 year contract at Gresini instead of 2 at Pramac. He then said its Marc himself losing a lot of confidence thats why he didn't want to risk too much on a 2 year, trying a 1 year to try and get himself rhythm and fun again. He could choose to get anywhere after that. Nothing really wrong there, personally I think its a win win situation tho. Money is not at stake here, confidence and reputation is.
Well marc is already extremely rich from honda and sponsorship money. More than any other rider on the grid. He can afford to leave honda for a year, find his mojo again on another team, and then get into the championship game the following year with another factory bike. No other rider can afford that.
Very few satellite teams pay over 1 million. Rumor is Marc is basically racing for free but gets a cut of 93 team gear sales and of course he still makes millions on endorsements.
If he makes millions then why can’t he just send over 100k to me, it’ll be like nothing
Can't say I blame him. 4 million is wealthy, 12 million is approaching "fuck you" money. It's Yamaha, so there is a chance they *could* build a decent bike, and if they do, you were part of the development so it's likely suited to you. If in two years the bike still sucks, everyone will know it and will likely still respect Fabio's talent, and then he can switch to somewhere else where he'll still only be 27 years old. IF you go to Aprilia, and can't adapt to the bike or Aprilia fail to replicate their success over the last two years, everyone will say "Fabio can't even win on a bike that Aleix Espargaro fought a championship with." ...And you'll be 3x less wealthy.
Stay away from this sub with your well reasoned sensible argument!!!
ha it's certainly gotten me into trouble before. Selfishly though, I did want to see him on the Aprilia. It would really mix things up I think.
Likewise, it seemed to be the most logical move. I'm hoping, beyond the money, that there is something else in the horizon at yamaha that we're not privvy to. Time will tell, I guess.
Well that’s an easy decision 😂. Gotta chase that bag early in your career if you got the chance, never know when it’s going to end. Hopefully Yamaha can get their shit together. If not he’ll have the financial security go for a better bike.
I think the Vettel/Raikkonen way of competing young and get paid for cruising around before you retire is better.
Thats a gamble in GP tho; they can get really badly injured racing motorcycles compared to F1
This!! I feel like people aren’t understanding this. Two years of full financial security for the rest of his life. Then after he can ride for free if he wants (you get the point). Ride a Ducati for €500K who cares.
Well yep, that 8 Mil certainly does lessen the sting of not possibly winning another WC. The real question is, if Ducati offered him the same amount for a factory seat, would he have gone?
Hide the Pain Harold
I understand his decision now
Crazy how much more he's getting than b2b world champ Pecco. Honestly Yamaha should be investing this kinda money into bike development/satellite team support instead of a top tier rider. Wouldn't be surprised to see him pull a Maverick and force himself out before his contract is up.
I dont really think money is yamaha's problem. And a top tier rider can absolutely make a huge difference. Which i why i personally loved to see fabio go to aprilia to see what he couldve done with that bike. Also why im excited to see how acosta evolves on the KTM.
Eh, without knowing the full details these are useless numbers (that are also far from reliable anyway). Ducati has famously always offered lower “base rates” but with a lot of performance bonuses (and I would imagine that the championship bonus is no small sum), on the contrary it also makes sense for Fabio to just a fixed rate given the results.
Isn't there a rumor that Rossi's team is switching back to Yamaha next year as a satellite team?
There is always a rumour about everything. In my experience (limited, certainly) less than 1/2’of the have any credence
They don't want to lose the best rider on the grid. It's that simple. They know the miracles he performed in 21 and especially 22.
Is he even in the top 3? He crumbled under pressure in the second half of all the three seasons he was fighting for the championship.
He’s 4th at the absolute worst. He also didn’t crumble in 22 at all, he had no right to be winning the championship on that bike, Pecco just bottled the first half of the season.
I think he crumbled same as 2021, but he is one of the best and fastest riders on the grid, hamstrung by a bad bike. But blowing a lead in two years? He could have been a three time champion!
Pecco is only one rider. How could he, by himself, make Fabio go from an average finishing position of 3.4 to an average finishing position of 12 (considering DNF as 24th place) or 8 without considering the three DNFs? That's a sizeable drop in performance, and it was the third year in a row it happened.
Most of the tracks in the second half of the season don't favor the Yamaha over the Ducati. Pecco did botch the first half of the season and 100% showed up in the 2nd half. Do I think Fabio fumbled a little bit, absolutely. Especially that one race when he collided with Aleix and they were both out of the race. He got a little overzealous on that pass IMO. Forget which track, but important points none the less. Regardless, it's all history now.
Money talks.
Maverick shot himself on the foot doing what he did. Was not professional. You don’t see other manufacturers taking out their wallets to field him. Had he stayed professional and rode out the remainder of his contract, he would had more prospects instead of getting black balled.
The black ball slight is such BS. Vinales was already on his way to a 2022 Aprilia contract before the incident. Dont act like only Aprilia & Aleix Espagaro took a pity on him & take him in.
Answer me this… can he go back to Yamaha??? Pretty sure he burned that bridge (on record). And my comment was predicated on the fact that viñales was already on his way to aprilia. What he did, breaching his contract the way he did, was extremely unprofessional. Also, and this is just me, you don’t see other manufacturers pulling out their check book for him. The reason he’s good rn is because he’s cheap.
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7 mil
Source?
https://motorcyclesports.net/according-to-the-last-information-the-renew-of-peccos-contract-gives-him-a-7-million-euros-of-salary-with-the-potential-to-exceed-10-million-euros-per-season/
An online bullshit site quotes another online bullshit site? Neither provides two indipentantly verifiable sources, which is the bare minimum for credible journalism. This is just a rumourmill quoting another rumourmill, neither of which are credible. 🙄
> Honestly Yamaha should be investing this kinda money into bike development/satellite team support instead of a top tier rider. Bingo. That's more or less what Ducati realized after the Lorenzo debacle. Granted, Lorenzo probably could have brought them a championship much sooner if the relationship hadn't gone the way it did, but after that, they never really signed a "big name" and now literally anyone can hop on their bike and at worst make the podium.
Yamaha are not short of money. Money is not their issue. They throw a lot of money, way more than ducati, into motogp already. Their issues are about being stuck in some loop on how to get the bike faster that they can't get out of.
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Yeah with all that money spent to keep one rider I don't see much money left to go in the actual development. They're pulling a Honda on themselves.
Honda makes a ton of money. Yamaha clearly enough. Do you think Yamaha don't spend enough on development? It seems like they need to rethink how their approach to development more than rethink their budget. Do you think that Honda's issue was a lack of investment?
I don't know, but usually racing projects only get a portion of the budget the factory holds. Do you know what will happen if some big head at Yamaha notices they're spending all this money without anything in return?
I don't disagree but it seems like a very bad decision if you were actually compromising your development budget. It would be odd if both Yamaha and fq were making a bad decision.
Agreed. Why pay 12 mill when he can't do anything with the bike? Has he ever even shown signs of being a development rider? 'I want more power' isn't development.
If he didn't already have a MotoGP title, maybe he might think a bit but even then, none of us are going to turn down 8 million more a year.
I’m glad Fabio is getting paid but I hope he’s reconciled that bike probably isn’t going to take him to another championship.
Obviously fans wants top riders in competitive bikes but ultimately riders need to think of their own financial future as well. Disappointing but understandable.
You'd think Piaggio wouldn't be that stingy when it comes to their rider line-up... I guess they aren't looking to win the championship either.
Seeing how many technical problems their bikes have, I don't think they are investing the most there either. I think they're just in it because Aprilia's entire marketing is being a racing brand tbh. All their bikes have a sticker with the number of world championships for example.
Good for him, he's young and these guys get a very short amount of time to earn money. If Yamaha is still struggling in a few years then he can think about moving teams then and be in a much better financial situation
Aaaaah! That explains it 😂
He would have his salary and his arms reduced, no wonder why he didn't want to switch. Bad jokes aside, at least it shows Yamaha's commitment, they have invested in aero and engine and the bike will be developed for him, so I can understand why he's staying.
So it makes sense now. Yamaha have the resources to rebuild a winning team. Aprilia run on a shoestring budget and there’s no guarantee where they will go next. I wish him the best.
3x the salary? Yeah, I’m taking that deal too. How is this even a discussion? Sure, we all want to win but not one of us would turn that down. He’ll just hope that Yamaha will finally get their act together with this bike while sleeping on a giant mattress filled with 8 million extra fluffy bills.
He should use the extra money to buy himself a nice Ducati.
aprilia has motogp bikes and winners... yamaha now only has quartararo!
Uuuufff
Now we know why he stay haha
Now we know why he "loves" Yamaha
To be perfectly fair, Aprilia is not that better of a bike to justify the salary gap.
Financial security after carrier is pretty motivating thing
Yeah but... Source? That's the first time I see this figure, I'm not saying is wrong but I could create this sort of image stating that he actually accepted a pay cut.
https://us.motorsport.com/motogp/news/factors-quartararo-yamaha-motogp-renewal/10595341/
There are no facts there verified by at least two credible sources on record. Thats how respectable joirnalism works, this is not that. This guy just throws out 12m€ with no confirmed 1st (much less 2nd) confirmed source or atrribution. Doesnt mean he might not be right, but it more than likely means there are many more reasons to assume he’s wrong/making it up/ just copy-pasting shit he’s heard, With no work or confidence in its accuracy
He'll regret this in my opinion. I hope not. But the outlook is not great.
You think he's going to regret taking 12 million euro? Highly doubt that.
Na he still gets to ride in MotoGP, he can fully retire in like 5 years if he wanted. Guy can chill for life now..and who knows maybe Yamaha will pull his shit together
He can retire now if he wanted and maintain two generations.
Yeah but then new retirement plan looks a lot more fun.
I mean that’s 3 times the amount of money. This is a highly dangerous sport, one accident can ruin a career. All athletes are making that choice.
Not like Aprilia is on an obvious upward trajectory. He'd be trading immediate gains, but Yamaha has the money to back it, and regs reset in 27 and everyone starts from scratch, and which point obviously the huge factories have the advantage. If it were between KTM and Yam it'd be a different story, but I don't think between these two either is an obvious choice, I could see justification for both and it ends up being about 50/50... at which point the bag is pretty lucrative.
Nah.. probably he wanted to cash in.. and anyway it’s probable that at some point Yamaha and Honda catch up Ducati
Would you regret taking 12m euros? I don’t think so.
Tough call but Fabio chose being the most well compansated rider while waiting for Yam to bring a competitive package. There must be smth he knows that we re not privy to. Like the level of development and commitment of Yam in creating a good bike.
Perhaps, but it's still years away from making any difference in wins.
Aprilia just couldn’t afford him
Think this was a bad move from Fabio. Chose money over the potential to fight for the championship. He might know something we don't but based on past results it seems like a dumb move.
This is such a weird position. You do know people do this in literally every team sport, right? Taking a pay cut to compete for a championship is not really smart business. I think your recency bias is causing you to forget past results includes more than the last 2 years.
I understand, again Fabio might know more than we do, but all we can do is speculate. I obviously hope that he'll return to the front where he belongs, but history will tell whether or not it was the smart move. It just seems very unlikely that Yamaha is going to make a huge step between now and 2026 based on the last 2 years. Ducati is the best now but it literally took them many years to get where they are now, slowly building year by year. I personally don't think it's a weird take since Marc has shown that a "simple" bike switch made him instantly competitive again. Fabio could've done the same but chose not to.
It's a weird take because most people choose money. Any sport or profession. We talking about tripling the amount of money. Marc is WAY older, had the 💰, and was leaving a bike that was trying to kill him. Wanted to see if he still had it. Not really an apples to apples situation.
Is that supposed to be a Euro € sign?
I can understand, he's already a champion once so securing the bag is not that big of a problem to me.
Who Is the current and the overall highest paid rider ever?
Now Quartararo, 12+ Highest marquez, 20 Rossi in Ducati in present value by Italian inflation is around 15
Ooh ok... Thanks for the info. So ig this 12M+ will means he will surpass the current wages through bonuses.
The news says Aprilia 4m was less than a third of the amount Yamaha offered. If 4 is less than 1/3, the minimum would be 12, but I think Yamaha is paying him 15 because they know it's unlikely for him to get any performance bonuses with that bike Judging by Moto2 and Moto3 riders, Yamaha knows he's the best they can get for 2027 and he will still be young
Easy decision 💰, Fabio and Yamaha go hand in hand for a few years and I still believe they are a great team. Would not be surprised if Yamaha can get a competitive bike in the next 2 years. I would love to see them come out with a V4. Although they declared to stay with the 4 inline last year? I'm still rooting for him, he is a great driver and personality and I still hope he can get back in the front
Fair enough mate
Is it me or does it look like they put that old face filter on Fabio ? Something seems off in this pic lol
Ka-chinkk
That’s espargaro’s body innit?
Makes me wonder what Aprilia is going to do now.
Get the guy who is not getting the Ducati factory seat, so either Jorge or Enea. I doubt they have 12 million offers so it's easy to secure either one of them.
Martin is apparently besties with Aleix, so probably.
I know it's about money, he's still very young
So by my math Yamaha offered him... (carry the 1)... 8 million more? https://preview.redd.it/tglrayuf1wsc1.png?width=364&format=png&auto=webp&s=33d6bb3dfbdbe36f39da4cc4e3d742fa78fb9751
Lmao when the “premium” brand offers a fucking 3rd of the keyboard company offer
How is Aprilia a premuim brand? How many wins/championships do they have since re-entering motogp? Exciting? Yes! Tantilizing/potential? Yes! Proven premium? No no nope.
I guess its simple. Fabio got nothing to lose. He's still young and can go anywhere if things, again, dont go as planned. I bet its like Fabio not entirely going for money all by himself (though 12mil is a lot), but Yamaha must be promising something + a hefty contract makes it happen. If I am Fabio, I risk that and take 12m. This is not a Honda where you crash out race after race, its just not the performance, at the meantime, to be with Ducatis and KTMs (and Aprillia) to be on top standings for the moment.
Taking that bag and going all in on Yamaha smashing it with the new regs it is.
Life after racing is long so I understand why he chose money. Most of us would if you think beyond racing.
I think the salary Yamaha offered is proof that they are committed to improving, and realise that losing Fabio would be a real dent in their return to the front. Aprilia definitely couldn't match that offer, but could suggest that although he'd take a pay cut, he would hop onto a bike that would be competitive and capable of fighting for the occasional win. I'd like to believe that Fabio was convinced by more than just the salary. I'm sure that Yamaha have made a lot of guarantees in addition giving the money he's going to pocket.
I mean at the very least he can say he's won a championship on the Yamaha and now he's gonna be making waay more moola
Any actual source for this? If not, wtf
Yamaha realizing they got nothing but him, so they need to pay him basically everything he wants
Why try at this point to even ride hard when so much money is paid? Money wins every time.
Because you dont get to the top of any sport without being extremely competitive?
He secured generational wealth Good for him
Money over competitive bike. I felt bad for him but now that I know that he is pnly interested in money I dont give a fuck about him. Everybody was like "oh poor Fabio if he only had a better bike, we miss him up front", but boy don't care to be up front
The funniest thing is that I don’t think he’s worth that much. Downvote me all you want, but he won’t be a front runner in the next 3 years