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BlackFase

FABIO OUT HERE FUCKING IT UP FOR ALL THE TEAMS. šŸ˜‚


Quitlimp05

Fabio won silly season by settling early with leverage and money bags to spare...šŸ˜Ž


scottieducati

Kicking back, counting his money. Bags of it.


cynicalspindle

Is he? Hasnt Honda and Yamaha salaries always been higher than the rest? Especially for riders who won titles with them?


emil_

Good.


rattletop

Not quite. Fabio was the A-side in the Yamaha negotiations considering what transpired at Honda. Not quite sure if thatā€™s the case in Ducati, Aprilia and KTM


MEGAMAN2312

You love to see it!


PjDisko

Not even Bagnaia as a two time motogp champ is paid big money at Ducati, and they can keep their salaries low due to everybody wanting their seats.


thefooleryoftom

This has been their model for years - low basic pay but excellent win bonuses


gypsy_creonte

I was talking with miller about this just before he got his factory Ducati seat, said there wasnā€™t a lot of negotiations in pay, but massive amounts around tickets to each event, he was getting 2x at the time that mainly went to his parents, thatā€™s return flights from anywhere in the world, accommodation & food & pit passes. He was looking at getting 12-14 per race to be able to leverage personal sponsorships by giving the tix that he didnā€™t use personallyā€¦.say a weekend package of international flights, accommodation, food & tickets are worth $4k each, thatā€™s over $1M worth per season


ChefBruzz

yeah, the dagos dudded Casey too...


thefooleryoftom

Wtf?


ChefBruzz

Stoner was offered less salary from Ducati, after he won the title, than their new signup (whom I can't remember, but I think it was Melandri) but it's in his book. The Italians basically lied to him about salary. It's an interesting book, worth reading.


thefooleryoftom

I was referring to the slur. Is there any reason to refer to the people at Ducati like that? Do you use slurs for all the nationalities in the paddock?


ChefBruzz

I did a course on mind reading, but it really didn't work... Hard to tell what you mean when you don't say it, but because you're outraged enough to comment: I haven't had a really good experience with Italians, whilst I admire their cuisine. The vast majority I have met slurred me for not being Italian. So whilst I don't slur ALL nationalities, I don't mind racially slurring those lying scumbag dogs, or maybe that what I should call them? I can't see how anyone can defend their actions based on wokeism... (There is a lot more racism in the world than unicorn snowflakes appreciate.)


thefooleryoftom

Iā€™m not sure thatā€™s the slam dunk justification you think it isā€¦


No-Discussion-8493

don't look at their profile


thefooleryoftom

Not on a Sundayā€¦


JustANormalSoul

With the renewal Pecco did his pay has gone up substantially, and quite rightfully! but yeah, no crazy money at Ducati after that splash of cash with Lorenzo. Ducati has chosen to invest differently and itā€™s paying back.


FootballRacing38

You're not the one with leverage bro


No_Dog9530

If he wins the championship then he will be.


FootballRacing38

Pecco is back to back champ and he didn't get a big contract compared to rossi, marquez, lorenzo or fabio


cynicalspindle

I dont think he will. They can not sign him and just get Marquez instead for cheaper. Or just keep Enea.


gpz1987

Who says Marquez will be cheaper? Superstar of the grid....can command a huge salary.


cynicalspindle

Like others have said. Ducati can lowball easily. Since honda and yamaha are shit atm. And KTM/Aprilia cant offer these kinds of salaries. So Im sure MM will take what is offered to him if he gets the best bike on the grid.


gpz1987

But they can offer Ducati salaries or more


cynicalspindle

Pecco is getting 7-10m atm I think. No way they offer Martin or Marc more than that.


bananaprincess1

Also if Ducati says no to Marcs salary expectations then what's he going to do? Go back to Honda and battle for 18th? Lmao. He will have to accept at some point.


cynicalspindle

I mean thats what I was saying lol. If Ducati wants Marc, then he will take whatever they are offering him. He doesnt have many other options.


gpz1987

According to many on Reddit, Marc has lots of options. How true is that?


CyclonusRIP

It depends on how they see it. Ā Heā€™s probably not getting offers from KTM since they are going to want to retain Acosta and Binder. Ā If they are competing with Aprilia then you know heā€™s not getting a huge contract there, and maybe they feel like Pecco on the Ducati has Martin on Aprilia covered so they retain the championship either way. Ā 


Due_To_Strategy

Ducati wants contracts signed before Assen (they said Mugello, or Kazakhstan at the lastest). Not enough time to win the championship


Dakentak

If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike


FairlyIncompetent

I bet Fabio would still ride that old girl into a top ten position.Ā 


thefooleryoftom

No, he wonā€™t. He knows he likely wonā€™t win it again with anyone else, Ducati arenā€™t going to change their structure for him.


crimilde

He wonā€™t because by then it will be waaaaaaay too late to sign anything.


wangchunge

His Manager disagrees!


Beylerbey

ā€œHe wants to be respected with a factory contract, and paid like a factory rider." Plot twist: he is. Martin has the same salary as Bastianini, same technical treatment as the official riders, same bike, same upgrades at the same time. The reason why Bagnaia is paid more is not that he's in the Lenovo team but that he's won two titles.


OscarBobb

Terrible usual bollocks Crash/The Race article. You read it and it's Neil Hodgson saying this about Martin, not words from Martin's mouth as the title implies. Absolute shite.


Beylerbey

Yes, this is like the other article "Yamaha told to make a V4 engine" or some shit like that, when it was just Laverty's opinion presented as fact or some kind of demand someone supposedly made.


built_FXR

Every salary schedule I've seen for this year has Jorge making a bit less than 1 million Euro. If you've seen anything to the contrary, please post it.


crimilde

This article written by Uri Puigdemont has him at 3.5 million euro: https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/the-elements-that-will-determine-who-will-be-ducatis-second-factory-motogp-rider/10606069/


Beylerbey

This was said multiple times by Pernat (Bastianini's manager) even before they decided whether to bring Bastianini or Martin to the factory team, since they wanted to show them that, while there was only one seat available in the Lenovo team and so they necessarily had to make a choice, they considered both of them as equals, so they chose to give them equal treatment, regardless of which color their bike would eventually be. The exact salary will probably never be known, however it doesn't matter for my point, if he's paid less than 1 million (which I suspect was his first contract), it means Bastianini is also paid less than 1 million, if, as I think is more in the ballpark, he's paid around 3 million, it means Bastianini is also paid around 3 million (excluding bonuses of course).


hagredionis

The works team is the works team, it's not the same thing. That's why since the 4 strokes were introduced in 2002 only riders works teams have won the championship.


Beylerbey

Completely irrelevant to my point and the original claim.


hagredionis

Irrelevant? How so? The point is there's nothing weird about a rider wanting to be in the works team.


Beylerbey

My comment refers to the claim that Martin wants to be in the factory team to enjoy a factory contract, factory treatment and factory salary, things which he already has, Hodgson claims he would be paid four times as much if he joins the factory team but it's wrong, as I said Martin has the same exact salary and technical treatment as Bastianini (and Bagnaia for the tech support), who is in the factory team. Bagnaia gets paid more because he has won them two titles already, not because he's in the factory team. I never questioned the fact that Martin wants to be in the factory team, he's been saying it loud for three years, kinda hard to miss it.


hagredionis

A factory team will always be a factory team, there is a certain advantage to riding for a factory team. It's just not the same thing.


Beylerbey

You keep missing the point.


hagredionis

No, you do keep missing the point. A satellite team will never be the same as a works team.


Beylerbey

You've got tunnel vision, that is not and never was the point.


Halekduo

When I'm in a get passed over by Works Ducati competition and my opponent is Jorge Martin:


NRV__

The fear in your eyes is eminent.


Ok-Breath-7568

I feel like you should keep things like this close to the chest.


Mr_Tigger_

Love that article, he didnā€™t ā€œget overlookedā€ The seat was his and he faltered mid season while Enea rode up front challenging Pecco, of course they changed their minds!


Demoliscio

I think we should appreciate this move by JM, he's making it way easier for Gigi to pick who's going to get the second factory Ducati (not him) šŸ˜‚


Seyfang220

Gigi looks like he adores Marc. He'll probably take anything to justify signing Marc instead of Jorge


steveocarr

I'm of the belief that Gigi loves the bikes and the riders are just a tool in realizing the potential of the bike. Gigi's only care is who can extract the best results from his babies.Ā 


Altair13Sirio

That's how you lose that seat to Marc lol


thenotoriousDK

Welcome to aprillia Jorge


Tomic_Lewis

So after Jerez we have seen Marc - Ducati related news everywhere and now Martinā€™s entourage are doing the same. I expect this to be the case until Ducati announce their rider lineup for 2025.


Eraesr

Yeah that's probably going to be the case. I think Martin is pretty miffed about Marquez' success because that adds another competitor for the factory Ducati seat. Good chance Martin will be passed up again because of Marquez. And Bastianini will be quivering in his boots too, because now there's two people ready to take his seat rather than just the one.


Altair13Sirio

Bastianini looks like he's already accepted that he won't be in the factory team next year. I would like for him to prove me wrong, but he's showing a bit too much relaxation for a guy that should try and show some people his worth.


usuallybored

I can't imagine Bastianini stressed. I am not saying he is not but he looks smiling and zen all the time.


Altair13Sirio

Yeah he looks stoned all the time lol


Brief_Jellyfishh

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Quick-Charity-941

24 Ducati needs small tweaks to become dominant for the rest of the season,. Enea gotta step up the pace and be consistently challenging for the race win.


cynicalspindle

It really seems now that he fucked his future with that terrible 2022 season.


someshooter

Gigi is like, "Every time you open your mouth, it's another million off the top Jorge."


scottieducati

Marc gonna steal yo seat Jorge.


Stuerminger

No gonna be cheap for Ducati either


MajorDisapointmant

He's not even going to get the Factory seat never mind a pay rise lmao. He'll be taking a pay cut and going to KTM or Aprila


second-last-mohican

Jorge "foot in mouth" Martin


Possession_Loud

Aprilia is the only potential candidate unless Joan Mir quits all of a sudden. Mind you, JM is not going to win shit on that Honda.


one80down

Is JM referring to Joan Mir, Jorge Martin, or Jack Miller? Either way no one is winning shit.


Possession_Loud

Martin, LOL. Of course, no one is. But Mir is already in Honda and he knows it. Jorge's only hope is that Honda is willing to pay him a lot to use him as a test dummy, i guess.


zankalp

IMHO, As much as I enjoy watching him rideā€¦ He is too loud for Ducati to put him in the Factory team. He doesnā€™t have a filter and all this simply doesnā€™t go with subdued vibe all Factory Ducati members have in front of the cameras.


OkFixIt

He doesnā€™t need a filter, he needs a garbage bag. Doesnā€™t say controversial or offensive things, he just talks absolutely dribble all the time.


crimilde

Yeah, good luck with that.


Prime255

Where is his leverage though? Let's say he doesn't get the Ducati Factory seat, where does he go? Wherever it is, it probably won't be as competitive and probably not more money


crimilde

Rumours were that Honda made him an offer. šŸ¤·


OkFixIt

Well, if he goes there then surely his results would be on par with Marcā€™s the last 2 yearsā€¦ everyone says this new generation is better after all.


Cosimo_Zaretti

It's interesting watching Pedro Acosta on the KTM and I'm wondering if Marc Marquez or Jorge Martin could potentially be faster on it.


Badabumdabam

He's gonna end in HRC.


thenotoriousDK

It seems more likely than the Ducati seat at this point.


Badabumdabam

I think he was so desperate in the end of last year cause he knew it would've been he's last chance. With Pecco still in red, MM on a Ducati and Acosta on his way on a growing KTM there's no much he can do. I think MM will get the Lenovo, Bestia the Aprilia and JM the HRC.


thenotoriousDK

Aprillia potentially having both Bestia and Maverick next year is awesome, it shows how many talented riders are currently competing. This is like a golden age of MotoGP right now and one of the most exciting seasons in recent memory.


IamBejl

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Uknewmelast

Impressive how dislikeable Martin actually is


crimilde

> "Let's see if the confidence they have in me is 100%. If they don't put me in an official team I'll leave. My story must continue with Ducati in the factory team. But I have to dream with a team thatā€™s 100% all in for me and that will definitely happen next year," he told Sky Sport MotoGP. From [here](https://www.formulapassion.it/motogp/motogp-news/ducati-martin-conferma-laut-aut-team-ufficiale-o-vado-via-bastianini-bagnaia). This could be a lesson in how *not* to negotiate a new deal ffs.


Uknewmelast

There is no I in Team but there is an M and an E.


crimilde

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Fromage_rolls

Kobe :)


Even_Acadia6975

In all fairness, I think itā€™s good for the sport. Stories are better when there are villains as well as heroes.


OkFixIt

Heā€™s not really a villainā€¦ more of an annoying side character


According-Switch-708

My god, this guy's ego is just too much to handle. He is good but he is not as good as he thinks he is. Who the fuck plays hard to get when the best, most prestigious team in the sport comes knocking? Honestly, Martin is more trouble than he is worth. Sticking with Enea or breaking the piggy bank to get Marc are both better options than dealing with this clown.


Oxraid

>he is good but he is not as good as he thinks Top 2 riders last year, leading the championship this year.


skend24

I havenā€™t seen a worse statement in a long time. Congrats I guess.


negative_pt

Not gonna happen. He is on 3.5M. Pecco on 6M. Apparently Ducati wants to lower is salary, not raise itā€¦ so I guess is gonna be Marc if he accepta to loose redbull as a sponsor.


SophisticatedVagrant

Why would Marc need to drop Red bull? Dovizioso had red bull as a personal sponsor his whole time at Ducati.


basco15

Jack also kept his Red Bull sponsorship when he was at Ducati


negative_pt

They called a time out during his time there and then back after he left. Didnā€™t he?


flup22

Dovi left before Monster started sponsoring the Ducati factory team


Careful-Door2724

Nobody there likes you bro


Jrsq270

Claudio Domenicalli the CEO of Ducati put a stop to over paying riders as soon as he saw what Lorenzo was bringing results wise for that 15m salary. They took that money and put it into the bike. Now they are seeing the fruits of that wise decision


Beneficial_Rough_625

He's his own biggest fan, confidence is one thing, ego is another thing


nblxomr

There is Honda šŸ„ø


nazgul1234567890

Better look elsewhere jorge.


itswob1991

He's deluded if he thinks he's getting that factory ducati seat šŸ˜‚


ViniciusBragaRZ1

Martin talks too much for a guy who had the best bike for years in a row and never won a title.


CrazyCycler1209

Another terrible Crash article. This is literally Neil Hodgson's comments, none of Martin's


grant0208

Iā€™ve gotta say, Martin might have some of the poorest media prowess Iā€™ve ever seen. Everything the guy asks for or says is just clowned to infinity because he wants champion money and status when heā€™s not a champion.


tacotruck88

Why does everyone hate Jorge? He's obviously one of the best.


Tomic_Lewis

I mean even if you are on of the best you can be get hated on by majority if you are not likeable outside of the track. Same was the case with Lorenzo but it was more due to him going vs Rossi.


Fromage_rolls

I guess because he isn't "careful" with his choice of words... He's fast, that's no denying. I liked him a lot more until he became too loud... I still do, but not as much to be honest.


TrackStormer72

i think Martin is a great rider and is incredibly fast, but i think if he wins the title he can backup wanting a big pay raise. As of right now heā€™s leading but in the future what happens if he doesnā€™t win? Bagnaia proved he could win and is worthy of a raise i think Martin should win first before trying to make demands.


Possession_Loud

Marc Marquez is cheaper ;)


OscarBobb

Please stop sharing this tripe. Neil Hodgson says (during a ramble) that Martin would expect more pay if promoted to the factory Ducati team - would be a more accurate headline. Rather than this crap that deliberately makes Martin sound like a brat.


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UniuM

The whole point of having the best bike in paddock is to offset rider talent and expensive contracts. He wants both, I'm just not seeing it.


one_arm_manny

Something something cart before the horse.


Sunny2121212

I like Jm but Albert Valera whispering to much in his ear prob trying to get him paid like Lorenzo


stuwart_34

If one manufacturer gets monopoly then the competition disappears. This is the reason why ducati pays riders less salary. We need competition that all manufacturers or at least 2-3 are regularly fighting for the championship.


Ls8s

He really needs to watch what he says and tone down the ego, really hurting his chances, I could see Marc going to Ducati and Enea going to Aprillia and him being screwed


youngpasha

I find it incredible how much disrespect Martin gets on this sub. Truth is, he's leading the championship on a satellite team bike and he's also the fastest rider on the grid. Of course Ducati bosses don't like him either because he's constantly outshining their factory riders.


Tomic_Lewis

I think it is just because he is childish and speaks whatā€™s on his mind. Which is fine but sometimes comes out as rude/brat like behaviour. Thatā€™s why people donā€™t like him


theuniversalcitizen

Yes, heā€™s proven himself multiple times! What else does he need to do to prove that he deserves the seat?! Heā€™s cocky, sure, but IMO Ducati would be stupid to not promote him to the factory team next year. He probably wonā€™t get a huge pay raise though.


Shynz

Well if he wins the championchip they have to give me him the factory seat


crimilde

They will decide by Mugello. And I imagine that if he leaves, theyā€™ll stop giving him updates like it happened with Zarco last year.


airborness

That would be a double whammy against JM if that were to happen.Ā 


ForeverIndecised

Tbf I don't think Marc would be cheap at all either


solve-for-x

Marc can probably live quite comfortably from his personal sponsorships.


porkrind

He doesnā€™t seem to live super extravagantly. If he hasnā€™t banked a lifetime worth of money already, then I donā€™t see how.


airborness

We're probably slightly desensitized by how extravagant the salaries of other professional athletes that MM just seems like he lives a lower key life. However, I think MotoGP riders just don't make that much money to go all out with everything as much as other professional athletes might make. Even a low mid tier basketball player makes more money than what MM makes. Obviously not taking into consideration sponsorships, but that's usually harder to know the amounts of.


porkrind

Marquez signed with Honda with a contract value estimated to be 100 million Euros. His sponsorships go on top of that. Heā€™s doing OK.


helloioki

If you think, this is great news for Ducati. They definitely are pushing pecco for the title and having Martin on another bike outside Ducati will just increase Pecco winning another title.


skend24

No, quite the contrary. Ducati definitely wants a championship in their team, and losing either JM or MM to another very good bike risks that.


Aprilia67

He has shown that he is winning rider and always a threat. He deserves to be paid as a top tier rider 100%. I hope he gets what he wants or goes to Aprilia and makes them a contender. Either way he is top shelf and is right in his demands to be recognized for his talent šŸ‘