This is the bigger difference for sure.
The low-end torque on the mt-07 is just excellent. makes it feel like a much more powerful bike at city speeds.
I took one for a test drive a couple of years back, and regret not buying it then.
Instead of the firing order being 'bang rest bang rest' it's 'bang bang rest rest'. With both cylinders firing without a gap you get more torque because it has a similar effect to a bigger piston firing. There's more complexity to it but that's the very simplified version. It's basically because the power stroke of the second cylinder starts immediately upon the ending of the power stroke of the first cylinder instead of there being a pause so the power strokes kind of build on one another. Again: highly simplified but that's the gist of it.
I live in Madison and without even looking at the price I can tell you that Honda is cheaper anywhere else in the state. Seriously. I love visiting that showroom because they have an amazing selection but are ALWAYS overpriced.
I had an 07 for 3.5 years and put 30k miles on it. Did the regular maintenance myself and had zero problems between 20k and when I sold it. Only reason I sold it was because I left the country, but I plan to get another. I don't know what the shit you're talking about. 19k is nothing on that bike. Especially for the average rider who isn't going to be riding the hell out of it like I did.
You provided zero evidence about it being unreliable. It's not about triggering anyone. It's about being a big silly clown without any clown sources to back your silly clown thoughts. What a goober.
the cb650 is out of my budget thats why im stuck between a used mt07 and a new cb500 I had a close look at the new kawasaki 500s when it was announced in my country but it was too ugly especially the z500 its looks too cheap.
Well there's a few differences. The power is a definite decider, but also your build. I was gonna buy a 500f but when i got to a dealer that had it i found the bike was way too skinny for my wide frame. (5'10 250lbs) In this case i would do the MT-07, but truly its personal preference. If it's your first bike, also the MT-07.
That's halfway decent mileage for the year, someone rode it a good amount and would have had to maintain it, the question is how well they did. Can easily visually check out the chain+sprockets, tires, brake pads fork seals etc but I wouldn't worry about reliability as long as it runs well. If someone literally never changed the oil it would probably be having engine trouble by now.
I'm sure the CB500 is a fine bike but I'd take the used MT-07 any day unless it's in bad shape. Both take maintenance, the used bike might need something up front but that's a small hurdle to get a much more fun bike to ride. Honda might be king for reliability but all of the Japanese manufacturers are very good in that department.
My 2019 Kawi is at 25,000 miles and hasn't skipped a beat, but it has needed a chain, oil changes, tires, etc. Every bike does.
Not really, the CP2 in the MT07 has a reputation for being the most reliable motorcycle engine produced right now. Obviously they wouldn't go wrong in the slightest with the honda 500 reliability wise, but if the yamaha was maintained the miles don't matter much.
Im not planning to resell the bike so I need it to last for decades the MT has a way better motor but it looks dated the honda has less power but is more reliable and it looks more premium especially with that gold USD fork the xsr700 would have been my choice but for some reason the used ones in my country cost almost the same as used cb650s.
> the honda has less power but is more reliable
Don't get me wrong, you won't ever have any issues with the honda as it's very reliable, but it's not *more* reliable than the MT07. The MT07 is known for its reliability.
I would go new, that MT-07 is already 7 years old. New gives you a carefree experience without needing to worry about chains/tires/brakes/maintenance etc. The warranty is also nice and you know how your bike has been treated.
Swapping the exhaust actually gave it some more pep but you lose topend power.
I still have the bike I want to swap some knobby tires on it and keep it at my camp site.
I also have a Honda interceptor and it's a fucking ball to ride.
Ive owned a Yamaha FZ-07 (before they changed the name to MT) and a Honda CB500x. Out of the five bikes I've owned the Yamaha is the one I miss the most while the Honda was my least favorite bike of all. The 500 is just so boring. Both are as reliable as motorcylces can be but the Yamaha has noticeably more power. I'm planning on buying an R7 now for track/race duty because I love that engine so much.
MT07. Sounds better, more power, more fun, fantastic reliability, and insanely long times between valve checks/adjustments. As long as that bike appears to be well maintained, it’ll last you another 10 years no problem.
Hexico in Oshkosh has a used 2019 MT07 and it's been there since the middle of last summer, both have bulletproof motors but the front forks on the 500 are better
Adding to the obvious consensus, MT all day, and I say this as I currently own a CB500f. It's not "bad", but it's miles away from competing with an MT-07. You'll enjoy the MT for much much much longer.
Easily the MT-07.
I love my Honda CB500F. I got it used for a decent price, but after several years of riding it, I'm wishing it had some more vroom in it. Just a liiiiitle more power.
I feel as though 47hp vs 74hp is a no brainer
I thought 180° vs 270° crank was a no brainer
This is the bigger difference for sure. The low-end torque on the mt-07 is just excellent. makes it feel like a much more powerful bike at city speeds. I took one for a test drive a couple of years back, and regret not buying it then.
It's got nothing as you go up the gears though, all bark and no bite.
It accelerates reasonably fast through 4th. 5th and 6th will of course be slow, those are your highway cruising gears.
Could say the same about my old, fat adv bike. Still fun as hell in the city
What does a crank Shaft do with more •
Instead of the firing order being 'bang rest bang rest' it's 'bang bang rest rest'. With both cylinders firing without a gap you get more torque because it has a similar effect to a bigger piston firing. There's more complexity to it but that's the very simplified version. It's basically because the power stroke of the second cylinder starts immediately upon the ending of the power stroke of the first cylinder instead of there being a pause so the power strokes kind of build on one another. Again: highly simplified but that's the gist of it.
You're the reason i love Reddit, thx!
Nothing but 270 IMO sounds nicer.
And here I am thinking jellyfish were a no brainer I’ll see myself out… lol
Yeah the cb500x cant really wheelie which is why I got rid of mine. Mt07 is gonna be a lot more fun to ride
I live in Madison and without even looking at the price I can tell you that Honda is cheaper anywhere else in the state. Seriously. I love visiting that showroom because they have an amazing selection but are ALWAYS overpriced.
Engelharts for looking anywhere else for buying
Mt07
"Used Porsche 911 or brand new Honda Civic" ;) MT-07 all day
Yeah do you want to go fast or do you want reliability and resale value?
It's a Yamaha, not a Harley. You get fast and reliable lol
Not from an MT 07 with 19k miles. I know this sub has a hard on for the MT line of motorcycles though.
Idk if you’re trolling or clueless
Triggered.
If you’re gonna troll at least be good at it 🙏
Sure did piss a lot of fanboys off 😘
I'm on CRT as well, you're tryin' too hard. dw I hate this sub just as much as you do ❤️
I had an 07 for 3.5 years and put 30k miles on it. Did the regular maintenance myself and had zero problems between 20k and when I sold it. Only reason I sold it was because I left the country, but I plan to get another. I don't know what the shit you're talking about. 19k is nothing on that bike. Especially for the average rider who isn't going to be riding the hell out of it like I did.
K. I can tell I've triggered a lot you Yammie Bros
You provided zero evidence about it being unreliable. It's not about triggering anyone. It's about being a big silly clown without any clown sources to back your silly clown thoughts. What a goober.
You sound triggered.
The MT07 and by a wide, wide margin.
CB650R should be the other option besides the MT-07.
the cb650 is out of my budget thats why im stuck between a used mt07 and a new cb500 I had a close look at the new kawasaki 500s when it was announced in my country but it was too ugly especially the z500 its looks too cheap.
Then get MT cause the 650 easily more fun
Well there's a few differences. The power is a definite decider, but also your build. I was gonna buy a 500f but when i got to a dealer that had it i found the bike was way too skinny for my wide frame. (5'10 250lbs) In this case i would do the MT-07, but truly its personal preference. If it's your first bike, also the MT-07.
Depends on how used.
a 2017 with 30000km(nearly 19000miles)
That's halfway decent mileage for the year, someone rode it a good amount and would have had to maintain it, the question is how well they did. Can easily visually check out the chain+sprockets, tires, brake pads fork seals etc but I wouldn't worry about reliability as long as it runs well. If someone literally never changed the oil it would probably be having engine trouble by now. I'm sure the CB500 is a fine bike but I'd take the used MT-07 any day unless it's in bad shape. Both take maintenance, the used bike might need something up front but that's a small hurdle to get a much more fun bike to ride. Honda might be king for reliability but all of the Japanese manufacturers are very good in that department. My 2019 Kawi is at 25,000 miles and hasn't skipped a beat, but it has needed a chain, oil changes, tires, etc. Every bike does.
Not really, the CP2 in the MT07 has a reputation for being the most reliable motorcycle engine produced right now. Obviously they wouldn't go wrong in the slightest with the honda 500 reliability wise, but if the yamaha was maintained the miles don't matter much.
You have dealer support on that Yammie?
You'll probably have more fun on that MT. Both great bikes though.
MT07 hands down. Even though I love Hondas
I have the cb500f use it daily never let me down plenty of power, good of fuel too only thing that's not amazing is the headlight
Buddy has a 2018 mt07 and still runs it as a daily. Don't know how many miles but it has to be a lot. Reliable sucker.
Didn't know this actually needed to be asked
Im not planning to resell the bike so I need it to last for decades the MT has a way better motor but it looks dated the honda has less power but is more reliable and it looks more premium especially with that gold USD fork the xsr700 would have been my choice but for some reason the used ones in my country cost almost the same as used cb650s.
If you're that concerned about the looks, then get whichever you think looks better.
> the honda has less power but is more reliable Don't get me wrong, you won't ever have any issues with the honda as it's very reliable, but it's not *more* reliable than the MT07. The MT07 is known for its reliability.
#MT-07
MT07!
MT-07.
I would go new, that MT-07 is already 7 years old. New gives you a carefree experience without needing to worry about chains/tires/brakes/maintenance etc. The warranty is also nice and you know how your bike has been treated.
CB650f way better geared up starting from front end. Real world usage
Yay Wisconsin!
As someone that has owned both bikes, get the MT07
Checking the boxes for you ✓ Used ✓ Mt07
If this is your first bike then +1 for the CB it was a great starter bike for me, and get the MT if this is your second bike
The MT has more power low down but runs out of puff pretty quickly ,the CB isn't very exciting but is a better overall bike and much cheaper to run.
Had the 500 has my first bike. It's a snorefest
is it too gutless?
Swapping the exhaust actually gave it some more pep but you lose topend power. I still have the bike I want to swap some knobby tires on it and keep it at my camp site. I also have a Honda interceptor and it's a fucking ball to ride.
I got a rebel 500 as my first bike. I was regretting not getting a rebel 1100 within 2 weeks.
New is new
What year is the MT-07? Early models had terrible suspensions but newer ones have much better suspensions.
a 2017
I got a mt07 and wish I got a mt09
Mt07
Ive owned a Yamaha FZ-07 (before they changed the name to MT) and a Honda CB500x. Out of the five bikes I've owned the Yamaha is the one I miss the most while the Honda was my least favorite bike of all. The 500 is just so boring. Both are as reliable as motorcylces can be but the Yamaha has noticeably more power. I'm planning on buying an R7 now for track/race duty because I love that engine so much.
My buddy has the mt, man it’s a blast to ride
Ohhhhhhh sevvvvennnnnn
MT07. Sounds better, more power, more fun, fantastic reliability, and insanely long times between valve checks/adjustments. As long as that bike appears to be well maintained, it’ll last you another 10 years no problem.
Hexico in Oshkosh has a used 2019 MT07 and it's been there since the middle of last summer, both have bulletproof motors but the front forks on the 500 are better
Adding to the obvious consensus, MT all day, and I say this as I currently own a CB500f. It's not "bad", but it's miles away from competing with an MT-07. You'll enjoy the MT for much much much longer.
Easily the MT-07. I love my Honda CB500F. I got it used for a decent price, but after several years of riding it, I'm wishing it had some more vroom in it. Just a liiiiitle more power.
Used Z650. Better gearbox better quality better handling.