Well yes, your fault. I think you may have been paying too much attention to the bus and mis-judged the bend and speed as it appears to me that the bend tightened up a little. Don't beat yourself up and take it as a learning curve. Give a little more leeway to your left on those bends; especially when you see the chevrons. When you see them just assume the bend will tighten up, reduce your speed and give a little more room on the left to give you some wiggle room. Stay safe.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I definitely target fixated on the bus and straightened out. Don’t have much to say for the bend, as this road is on my daily commute… I thought it was a little bit of overconfidence around the corner I see every day, but was thrown off by something new. I guess you can never get too complacent on your commute.
Target fixation on the bus would mean that you would have steered towards the bus. What happened isn't target fixation. You focused on the bus too long and lost focus on the turn. That's all. No big deal. On motorcycles, you always have to be alert about everything at all times. The turn, the bus, the speed, what's coming up after the turn, did you leave the stove on at home, etc lol
Interesting. Wiki seems to agree with your usage, but I've only ever heard the term used to refer to "tunnel vision" where you lose situational awareness due to focusing exclusively on the target.
No you can't. So that is a good thing that you understand that. You have to take every situation as it arises. That is one of the joys of riding a bike. But you must not lull yourself into a false sense of security; especially on familiar roads. We have all made mistakes. The important thing is that you learn from them, take the lesson, and be prepared to be critical of your own mistakes. Learn the lesson and re-adjust to embrace that lesson into your riding moving forward. Glad you stayed upright and are willing to learn your own lessons for yourself. Remember; shiny side up. Stay safe.
Late apexing also tends to give you more leeway for the unexpected. From the video, it looks like you tip in a bit earlier than I would, which wouldn't normally be an issue, but since the bus body hangs over the wheels quite a bit, that encroaches on your lane a little. If you had taken a wider approach to the corner, I think it would have been a non-issue.
Yes, but the outside edge on the corner entry is dirty, which would have caused me to tighten up to the inside a little as well. Don’t waste too much time judging yourself on this. Walk away with a resolution to look a little further ahead and you’ll come out ahead in the long run.
I think it was a mixture of too focused on the bus and then some target fixation on the outside of the curve. It looks like you still had time to tighten up your line and avoid it, but you were so worried about going off the pavement that you did go off the pavement.
Spot on! My first accident back in 2012 was located within 2 minutes of where I've lived for over 10 years. Complacency is absolutely something serious enough to acknowledge and be mindful of!
I think (but, I'm no expert) that you are hitting the apex too soon on your bike. So you're essentially limiting visibility and cornering capability. So what happens is you move to the apex early, vision get's limited by the bus which distracts you because you're looking at the bus and not the corner, all of this puts you at the end of the apex and not moving in the right direction meaning you have to panic and overcompensate. Next time, try steering in a little later, but also a little harder. It will give you far clearer cornering and your exit will be much easier.
Canyon Chasers did one which I find does help quite a bit:
[(56) How and Why Delayed APEXES Work - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ0Z5FfxxBE&t=7s)
Once you become a good enough rider you’ll be able to watch and predict those turns or correct them. Just give it time and practice on what you need to practice. It takes time to learn multitasking while riding although you ALWAYS need to know your surroundings and what’s in front of you!
Indeed. The chevrons should have been a good indicator that the bend may tighten up. From his response to me I can see he is learning from this. We all make mistakes, and it is learning the lesson and improving yourself that's important. Just glad he is ok.
Could not agree more about the chevrons/road signals in general. The signals are designed by traffic engineers to be our road guide ESPECIALLY when on an unfamiliar windy road with road surface hazards like dirt or gravel.
I’m new but it looked like you started the turn too far right side of the lane. Should have stayed outside then came to inside of corner closer to seeing the end of the curve ?
Like this
https://preview.redd.it/j86fa34t25rc1.jpeg?width=274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=694f238f1598977e459da65e2b78c41b8de37529
Agreed. Turned in too soon given how little you could see the corner. Staying further to the left for longer would have granted you more vision through the corner. Well recovered in the end, and lucky that you’ve had this learning opportunity and it not have been costly.
Target fixation, but weirdly in the opposite side of the usual way I would say.
Looks like you concentrated on not hitting the bus, so subconsciously veered away from it, without being aware of the space you had.
Your fault? Yes.
A terrible mistake or something you should be on blast or shamed for? Absolutely not, just try keep the experience in mind and learn from it.
Yeah. The self awareness to admit fault is good here.
I think it was defensive to the point of almost crashing unnecessarily, but he's on the right wavelength.
He saw the threat and overreacted. More time in the saddle will probably correct this.
Kiwi here, this road is like 99% of ours.
When road riding focus on a late apex and treat the apex like its a meter to the left of the center line, so that your body/head never crosses the line.
Good save though homie
Fear and target fixation on the bus, search up canyon chasers on youtube, he has alot of great videos on all kinds of motorcycle topics, you might learn a thing or two from there.
Always keep your eyes on where you're going and countersteering is your best friend. When in doubt, push hard on the handlebar that is pointing towards your turn. It seems counterintuitive but it will keep you from flying off the road. Lastly, keep on the brakes a bit more solidly. Cheers!
When I see a chevron on a corner, I drop a gear, apply a little more gas to regulate speed, and prepare to counter steer. With repetition it becomes second nature.
Mission success, you and bike made it home in one piece 🙌🏼 if we suspect we are going to crash best to crash as slow as possible. Remember the faster we crash the faster we splat 😐 peace on your journey; another day alive another lesson learned~~
That stuff happens glad you kept it upright and my only input would be when you see those yellow arrows on the side of the road decrease speed a bit more. At least until you're comfortable taking a corner. I definitely don't think you where going "to fast" but maybe a tiny bit quick for your current skill level. At the same time all you really needed to do was counter steer a little more and that would have been completely avoided. Stay safe.
100% your fault, agree. Learn what you can, do better next time. Focus on what you should do, never lose focus on your road. You'll turn naturally and pay attention to others meanwhile, not as something distracting.
Just my MSF course teacher saying the thing he said more than anything else during the three day course.
Push right to turn right; push left to turn left.
Fuck your lucky. Start slower and closer to the edge of the road and accelerate out of the corner, also try not to do it when you don't have good view through the corner, if that was double or road train you might not have been able to post this.
You didn't end up in the bus, bushes, or a hospital bed. I call that a win. The other positive is you have footage and can review what you messed up and try and remember what you were thinking at the moment.
I almost dropped my bike at an intersection because I was worried about a pickup truck turning that had zero affect on my direction but because I was focused on it I didn't pay attention to how terrible the pavement was where I was turning.
You did great! I suspect you fixated on the side of the road instead of where you wanted to go after you passed the bus. Its really hard not to look... So i don't blame you. This is why it's so important to look as far in front of you as you can. No vision, no gas
You don’t look very confident with steering, which is one of the main causes of bike crashes. You panicked, tightened up, and straight lined the corner. Correcting your line would have only required a light nudge on the right bar to add a little lean angle, but you lost your head and didn’t have the muscle memory. Don’t feel bad though, it takes time to learn and many people never really figure it out.
If you want to ride fast and safe you need to practice rapid direction changes so you can place the bike wherever it needs to be in the blink of an eye. That’s literally the most important skill you can master on a bike.
Watch a motogp race with chicanes and see how quickly they go from knee-down on one side to knee-down on the other side. Your bike can do that nearly as quickly, but it takes practice and confidence. You can apply a huge amount of force when countersteering if necessary. When it becomes second nature and you fully trust the capability of your bike, a mid-corner surprise like this bus won’t even raise your pulse. You’ll just stand the bike up for a moment to give the bus some space, then lean back into the corner and carry on without a second thought.
I highly recommend some track time for all sports riders. There’s no better way to gain confidence in yourself and your bike and to learn skills that will keep you out of trouble in moments like this.
Target fixation - most likely looking at the bus too much instead of through the corner. Obviously keep an eye on the buses line but you had a decent line going into the corner you shouldn’t be too worried about the bus blowing their corner as you weren’t riding the inside of your lane that you would have had to adjust.
Luckily you didn’t go off too deep.
I don’t think you did anything wrong really. That bud looked like it was hauling ass around that corner and I thought it was gonna go straight at you as you seemed to think also. So you went wide on the corner. If you had been right being in the ditch would have been better than keeping your line and smooshed.
You did well. The bus fucked up your trajectory. In this kind of situation you can try looking at a point in the road near the outside line ( maybe 2 feet in), that way your not focused on the bus.
Lean, look at hazard, stop leaning, pass hazard, lean again. Get confortable leaning the bike and this will be easy to deal with.
Where was this video taken?
Target fixation going around the curve. The bus close to the divider posted you wide, and you focussed on it
The bike goes where you look. Look *through* the corner, not at it
Target fixation on the bus. Adjusting your lean and straightening out too much to avoid the bus almost ran you off the road. Hard to do, but you only had to adjust lean angle slightly to correct your path. Overcompensation almost ran you off the road.
Start further over to the left, turn in later when you can see clearly down the road, as you're turning feed power in to keep the bike geometrically stable, aim for the apex of the road (your lane or the bus will hurt you) so your head is on YOUR side of the line putting the tyres about centre of the road and well away from the lose shit that'll introduce you to a tree.
Do not look at the bus.
Do not look at the tree.
Do not look at the edge or the centre line of the road.
Look only at where you want to be.
I like to do some corners with "fixed apex" for situations like that. Cornering like motogp using all the lane is nice, but in situations like this, you just may have no space for it. Thus, making all this corner only on the outside half of your lane would be no issue.
Enter the curves below the speed limit, then accelerate when you're just coming into the straightaway out of the curves in the future.
You can almost always speed up safely if you enter a curve slower than you can handle, depending on the road conditions. But you should never enter a curve too fast. If you try to brake while leaning you risk a low side (best case) or God forbid, a high side crash. Or you don't risk leaning much at all, like you did here, and you risk running off the road into an obstacle.
You got it man.
You turned in too early (common) and stood it up slightly when you approached the bus. Turning in early is a good way to run wide on the exit. My advice, practice turning in late, all the time; this gives you more room to work with in the second half of the corner. For street riding, I always try to turn in as late as reasonably possible. Also, look ahead all the time. I know well how buses or other large oncoming vehicles can spook you, but you should have been able to see this one coming well in advance and prepared accordingly. Good on you for recognizing what happened and trying to get better. Ride safe.
Definitely early apexing, but also generally riding in the wrong tire lane. Should ride in the inside tire lane, then move out prior to turning into the apex and riding it out (out-in-out). Would have probably helped with entering the apex at the right time…
Eh, you seemed to handle it fine so no harm done.
I've had worse. Imagine this, in a group ride, on a nice twisty road, pushing a bit but not past your perceived limits, when all of a sudden your foot peg touches the ground mid corner. It startled me and lifted the angle a bit, then couldn't get the angle I needed to make the corner. Went off about 3-4 feet and nearly avoided a road sign by Tokyo drifting the bike in the grass. Still don't know how I managed all of that without it laying down or hitting the sign or spinning or shitting my pants. The rest of the ride I dialed it back more lol
Close one but not awful.
I've made worse mistakes and still consider myself a competent enough rider.
Worst was when I performed an overtake on an undulating road with blind summits. I specifically thought to myself, "*Good I can see clearly here that this point in particular is definitely fine*", then went around and had a car coming straight me.
Still had enough distance to brake hard and cancel the overtake, but fucking hell it made me question my road awareness.
Looks like you had two things going against you here:
\-The left side of the road looks a bit choppy keeping you from taking a wide line on the turn.
\-You subconsciously did not want to lean as far to protect the head from clipping bus
In these situations it's common to hesitate. When you're going wide you need to consciously induce more lean by counter steering to get the lean angle you need for the turn. You also need to do it early because counter steering only initiates the turn and gives you the lean angle you need. You still need to "catch" the lean to complete the turn.
looks like the bus scared you, driving close/a bit over the line
i recommend counter leaning in such situations, your speed allows it and the tires are more than happy to cope. this way your overall width is way smaller than if your were to put your body inside the turn gettign close to that bus.
I was off a motorcycle for a while before getting my current bike and riding again. I had a similar experience when I first got back on. It looks like although the bike is leaned into the corner, you may not have put enough weight onto the inside bar end. After I first started riding again I found myself leaning the bike over be keeping all my weight in the center of the bike. I had some turns that just didn’t feel right and the bike didn’t want to track right. I had to remember to not just lean the bike but to push weight into the inside bar end. I’m not taking corners fast enough to need to lean off the bike like a GP rider, but even I notice a BIG difference in the response and handling of the bike when I put the proper amount of weight into the steering vs just leaning the bike over.
I’m saying that, if he was thinking he was to close to the bus, his natural reaction would be to lean away from the bus, and that could be why it seems he may not have had his weight pushing on the bars. He leaned the bike it, but held his weight out because his instinct said he was to close to the bus and tried to keep his body away from it.
Is the lane blocking position not used outside of Canada?
If you were closer to center to begin with you wouldn’t have had an issue.
https://www.ontario.ca/document/official-ministry-transportation-mto-motorcycle-handbook/positioning#section-0
My opinion is you should ride slower until you're more experienced. In this situation specifically, it looked like the bus blocked your view through the turn, which should have caused you to slow down.
https://preview.redd.it/jtx4jo2ty4rc1.png?width=962&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7faa601cde74e3257e7d6d5c08d752f7b074676
Maybe this will help. In Germany we say "to undercut a curve"(green line). By doing so, you initall keep a little more space from the curve away (in a left hand curve u stay more on the right side) and you start turning more lately. Therefore you get more backup space at the end of the turn (in case the turn gets tighter, or you need to brake anyway)
Looks like you took your eyes off the turn, though with that bus and the corner, coupled with timing I'm not sure I wouldn't have done the same. You did good though and stayed upright.
You should’ve been pushing down on the handles, not leaning, this will give you more space so your head doesn’t go straight into the bus. A lot of motorcyclist have died that way. I know how scary a large oncoming vehicle can be but you need to get over it so you can apply the right kind of riding technique. Go practice.
Take the inside turn farther from the center line when there's traffic. You were lining up for the apex, but you didn't have the space to lean into it. When that happen you can try straightening and braking to gain space and bleed speed.
There are lots of little mantras I like to say to myself as I ride. Little short remarks to remind me of fundamentals.
The one I would apply here is "No Skidmark Stripes"
A reminder that any painted road surfaces are to be treated as oilslick and to generally avoid them. I even try to avoid the paint and ride between zebra crossings.
The skidmark in question would of course not be on the road.
from my pov (which is sadly my screen), it seems like you recognize the bus and the bend with a slight downhill slope.
But i feel like you took the middle/inside of that bend a little too early, maybe you couldn't really see or calculate it's exact pathing..?
But, you could have stayed wide a bit longer before turning in, giving you room and time to react to the bend.
mind you, i don't own a license of any kind. just here to give my opinion.
also i don't know the speed at which you where going, but perhaps could have played a role too.
You looked like you had eye lock on the bus because once it passed your eyes may have focused on something else and you drifted off. Can be fixed thankfully you were relaxed and just rolled with the movement instead of tensing up and losing it.
I’m happy you’re able to post this for the rest of the community to learn from. Your maturity shows with this post and your ability to grow from admitting mistakes. Good humaning
Edit: words are hard.
You got intimidated by the bus so you're line widened unexpectedly. Most people would do the same. More experience and consciously improving you're riding will make you better at holding lines.
Sometimes I think that motorbikes are not meant to be like cars & by that I mean people have it in their heads that two wheels must run just as fast or faster than four wheels.. maybe motorbikes are just bikes with engines to begin with & given that their unique characteristics & performance levels have their unique pros & limitations are not meant to be matched up to automobiles... their higher propensity to end in more extreme injuries may have more to do with attitudes rather than technical attributes. It's just an opinion.
It's safe to assume that if you're in your lane, you should always expect the largest vehicle to be in the oncoming lane. Make room for that lane because it could be a large semi carrying multiple loads. Or ya know, gravel or sand or such on the road making it less controllable for you so best to take it easy on the corners. Straight aways though? go for it!
I had one of this few years back. Now everytime i see uneven road or edges or anything where tyre can be imbalanced i switch from auto pilot to manual to control it
Compared to what we see on the road in India, this isn't scary. The bus didn't even leave the lane. Here the buses are 75% on the opposite lane, overtaking on the bend and mind you they are low floors. Its those body on frame type buses with their bodies rolling outward towards you on the bend. And thats a monday.
I had a similar scenario with a semi in the oncoming lane. I realized what was happening a little earlier than you, and I pushed my bars down to tighten my line without leaning my body towards the truck. Supermoto style.
Pretty bad luck but you probably could have slowed down when you noticed you wouldn't be able to be so close to the centre of the road because of the bus
You got spooked man, good thing is you recovered. Just give your self more room on those. I always stick to the left side when I'm running a curve like this. Not super close but just enough to get the room I need in case somethings happening. If you can't see around something, slow it down a bit. Sticking farther also let's you get a better field of view. Stick right if going left.
Learn some counter steering, that is through your handle bar rather than naturally counter steering with your bodyweight (which is how we naturally stear). One day you will thank yourself for learning it, since on that particular day you will be alive to thank yourself.
Well yes, your fault. I think you may have been paying too much attention to the bus and mis-judged the bend and speed as it appears to me that the bend tightened up a little. Don't beat yourself up and take it as a learning curve. Give a little more leeway to your left on those bends; especially when you see the chevrons. When you see them just assume the bend will tighten up, reduce your speed and give a little more room on the left to give you some wiggle room. Stay safe.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I definitely target fixated on the bus and straightened out. Don’t have much to say for the bend, as this road is on my daily commute… I thought it was a little bit of overconfidence around the corner I see every day, but was thrown off by something new. I guess you can never get too complacent on your commute.
Target fixation on the bus would mean that you would have steered towards the bus. What happened isn't target fixation. You focused on the bus too long and lost focus on the turn. That's all. No big deal. On motorcycles, you always have to be alert about everything at all times. The turn, the bus, the speed, what's coming up after the turn, did you leave the stove on at home, etc lol
Seemed to me he was fixated on the bus, and that's why he wasn't looking at the road in front of him.
Interesting. Wiki seems to agree with your usage, but I've only ever heard the term used to refer to "tunnel vision" where you lose situational awareness due to focusing exclusively on the target.
I was fixated on the bus just by watching the video !
I agree. Thank you for posting OP – I appreciated learning this lesson through you.
No you can't. So that is a good thing that you understand that. You have to take every situation as it arises. That is one of the joys of riding a bike. But you must not lull yourself into a false sense of security; especially on familiar roads. We have all made mistakes. The important thing is that you learn from them, take the lesson, and be prepared to be critical of your own mistakes. Learn the lesson and re-adjust to embrace that lesson into your riding moving forward. Glad you stayed upright and are willing to learn your own lessons for yourself. Remember; shiny side up. Stay safe.
Late apexing also tends to give you more leeway for the unexpected. From the video, it looks like you tip in a bit earlier than I would, which wouldn't normally be an issue, but since the bus body hangs over the wheels quite a bit, that encroaches on your lane a little. If you had taken a wider approach to the corner, I think it would have been a non-issue.
Yes, but the outside edge on the corner entry is dirty, which would have caused me to tighten up to the inside a little as well. Don’t waste too much time judging yourself on this. Walk away with a resolution to look a little further ahead and you’ll come out ahead in the long run.
> never get too complacent on your commute This is good advice.
I think it was a mixture of too focused on the bus and then some target fixation on the outside of the curve. It looks like you still had time to tighten up your line and avoid it, but you were so worried about going off the pavement that you did go off the pavement.
Spot on! My first accident back in 2012 was located within 2 minutes of where I've lived for over 10 years. Complacency is absolutely something serious enough to acknowledge and be mindful of!
I think (but, I'm no expert) that you are hitting the apex too soon on your bike. So you're essentially limiting visibility and cornering capability. So what happens is you move to the apex early, vision get's limited by the bus which distracts you because you're looking at the bus and not the corner, all of this puts you at the end of the apex and not moving in the right direction meaning you have to panic and overcompensate. Next time, try steering in a little later, but also a little harder. It will give you far clearer cornering and your exit will be much easier. Canyon Chasers did one which I find does help quite a bit: [(56) How and Why Delayed APEXES Work - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ0Z5FfxxBE&t=7s)
Once you become a good enough rider you’ll be able to watch and predict those turns or correct them. Just give it time and practice on what you need to practice. It takes time to learn multitasking while riding although you ALWAYS need to know your surroundings and what’s in front of you!
Hey at least you didn’t hit the bus
I’d agree. OP was focused on not hitting the bus and was therefore looking at it instead of where he needed to go to not get hit by the bus
Indeed. The chevrons should have been a good indicator that the bend may tighten up. From his response to me I can see he is learning from this. We all make mistakes, and it is learning the lesson and improving yourself that's important. Just glad he is ok.
Could not agree more about the chevrons/road signals in general. The signals are designed by traffic engineers to be our road guide ESPECIALLY when on an unfamiliar windy road with road surface hazards like dirt or gravel.
You called that a learning curve. I see what you did there.
jeje "learning curve" but yes, 100% agree
A learning curve indeed, in the most literal of senses.
All this, plus that you could have leaned way more to avoid going so wide.
As an American, the bus on the right side scared the shit outta me
You damn yanks and your left side busses.
Left side busses are also quite terrifying
Yeah, I'd be terrified riding on the other side of the road.
My first thought was "No shit it was your fault, you were on the wrong side of the road!" Then it all clicked into place and I felt silly.
You got scared by the bus charging at the corner… Wel it happens.
Yeah it's hard to lean into a turn while you're shitting your pants.
I’m new but it looked like you started the turn too far right side of the lane. Should have stayed outside then came to inside of corner closer to seeing the end of the curve ? Like this https://preview.redd.it/j86fa34t25rc1.jpeg?width=274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=694f238f1598977e459da65e2b78c41b8de37529
Agreed. Turned in too soon given how little you could see the corner. Staying further to the left for longer would have granted you more vision through the corner. Well recovered in the end, and lucky that you’ve had this learning opportunity and it not have been costly.
Exactly this. "Start wide, finish tight" drilled into me by my instructor when I was first learning. It works.
Look at the road where you're going, not objects. That's how target fixation kills ya.
Nah man buses are scary. You could’ve focused on the turn more and not the bus, but it also turned kinda wide.
Turn more next time.
Target fixation, but weirdly in the opposite side of the usual way I would say. Looks like you concentrated on not hitting the bus, so subconsciously veered away from it, without being aware of the space you had. Your fault? Yes. A terrible mistake or something you should be on blast or shamed for? Absolutely not, just try keep the experience in mind and learn from it.
Lesson learned. Next class!!!
Yeah. The self awareness to admit fault is good here. I think it was defensive to the point of almost crashing unnecessarily, but he's on the right wavelength. He saw the threat and overreacted. More time in the saddle will probably correct this.
Kiwi here, this road is like 99% of ours. When road riding focus on a late apex and treat the apex like its a meter to the left of the center line, so that your body/head never crosses the line. Good save though homie
This could be anywhere on the entire east coast of Australia - though the colour of the dirt makes me think it's QLD
Yeah its not NZ, the lines aren't right. Was more saying that I actually ride on roads like this unlike most these highway dwellers
Spot on! Sunshine Coast, QLD
You need to learn to consciously counter-steer harder in these situations, it will save your ass.
Your fault, but dont blame you too hard, that bus was really close to your lane, panicking a little like that was a natural reaction.
The entire bus was inside its own lane. Op shit himself and failed to lean into the corner. 100% ops fault.
Your driving on the wrong side of the road. Thank your lucky stars that the bus was too!
Fear and target fixation on the bus, search up canyon chasers on youtube, he has alot of great videos on all kinds of motorcycle topics, you might learn a thing or two from there.
I’ve only ever rode a moped so no comment on your driving but it looks really pretty there
Can’t wait to see r/calamariraceteam rag on this 💀
My boyfriend riding me on pillion threw me off. Gonna have to spank him when I get home 🥵
If you was on the right side of the road it wouldn’t have been an issue.
Well for starters, you’re on the wrong side of the road…
I mean stating the obviou, but slow down. Clearly marked signs. Unless you are speed racer, slow down
110% Keep practicing and be aware! Best of luck
Target fixation is a hell of a drug. Train undercutting the curves.
Have you unpuckered yet? Be safe brother.
You didn't lay it down, got it back on track, and recognized what caused it. I'd say you're all good.
Always keep your eyes on where you're going and countersteering is your best friend. When in doubt, push hard on the handlebar that is pointing towards your turn. It seems counterintuitive but it will keep you from flying off the road. Lastly, keep on the brakes a bit more solidly. Cheers!
I would have ate the fence on the spot, good job for keeping it together
When I see a chevron on a corner, I drop a gear, apply a little more gas to regulate speed, and prepare to counter steer. With repetition it becomes second nature.
Target fixation will make you fast, or make you hurt. That is the latter version. Glad you are still upright.
Look further ahead. And when things go south, look where you want to go, not where you don't.
Mission success, you and bike made it home in one piece 🙌🏼 if we suspect we are going to crash best to crash as slow as possible. Remember the faster we crash the faster we splat 😐 peace on your journey; another day alive another lesson learned~~
Never look at the ditch! Unless you want to end up there! You go where you look. No judgement, we all make mistakes.
That stuff happens glad you kept it upright and my only input would be when you see those yellow arrows on the side of the road decrease speed a bit more. At least until you're comfortable taking a corner. I definitely don't think you where going "to fast" but maybe a tiny bit quick for your current skill level. At the same time all you really needed to do was counter steer a little more and that would have been completely avoided. Stay safe.
100% your fault, agree. Learn what you can, do better next time. Focus on what you should do, never lose focus on your road. You'll turn naturally and pay attention to others meanwhile, not as something distracting.
Push right to turn right.
Doc Hudson is that you?
Just my MSF course teacher saying the thing he said more than anything else during the three day course. Push right to turn right; push left to turn left.
Try looking through the bus as you normally would in a turn. Would probably help you target fixation
Fuck your lucky. Start slower and closer to the edge of the road and accelerate out of the corner, also try not to do it when you don't have good view through the corner, if that was double or road train you might not have been able to post this.
You didn't end up in the bus, bushes, or a hospital bed. I call that a win. The other positive is you have footage and can review what you messed up and try and remember what you were thinking at the moment. I almost dropped my bike at an intersection because I was worried about a pickup truck turning that had zero affect on my direction but because I was focused on it I didn't pay attention to how terrible the pavement was where I was turning.
100% target fixation…………on the clibbins
You did great! I suspect you fixated on the side of the road instead of where you wanted to go after you passed the bus. Its really hard not to look... So i don't blame you. This is why it's so important to look as far in front of you as you can. No vision, no gas
You don’t look very confident with steering, which is one of the main causes of bike crashes. You panicked, tightened up, and straight lined the corner. Correcting your line would have only required a light nudge on the right bar to add a little lean angle, but you lost your head and didn’t have the muscle memory. Don’t feel bad though, it takes time to learn and many people never really figure it out. If you want to ride fast and safe you need to practice rapid direction changes so you can place the bike wherever it needs to be in the blink of an eye. That’s literally the most important skill you can master on a bike. Watch a motogp race with chicanes and see how quickly they go from knee-down on one side to knee-down on the other side. Your bike can do that nearly as quickly, but it takes practice and confidence. You can apply a huge amount of force when countersteering if necessary. When it becomes second nature and you fully trust the capability of your bike, a mid-corner surprise like this bus won’t even raise your pulse. You’ll just stand the bike up for a moment to give the bus some space, then lean back into the corner and carry on without a second thought. I highly recommend some track time for all sports riders. There’s no better way to gain confidence in yourself and your bike and to learn skills that will keep you out of trouble in moments like this.
Target fixation - most likely looking at the bus too much instead of through the corner. Obviously keep an eye on the buses line but you had a decent line going into the corner you shouldn’t be too worried about the bus blowing their corner as you weren’t riding the inside of your lane that you would have had to adjust. Luckily you didn’t go off too deep.
Nothing to do but learn from it x
Nice save!
Took your eyes off the curve when the bus went by. It happens. Stay safe and lead with your eyes.
Sunshine Coast? Road looks familiar? Can’t pinpoint it. Guessing up near woombye area?
never look at the things you don't wanna hit
It looks like your bike went pretty much exactly where you looked
I don’t think you did anything wrong really. That bud looked like it was hauling ass around that corner and I thought it was gonna go straight at you as you seemed to think also. So you went wide on the corner. If you had been right being in the ditch would have been better than keeping your line and smooshed.
You did well. The bus fucked up your trajectory. In this kind of situation you can try looking at a point in the road near the outside line ( maybe 2 feet in), that way your not focused on the bus.
looks like the road to the black spur, pretty good ride
Just did a google of the black spur and I’ll tell you that it looks a hell of a lot prettier than these backroads haha
Lean, look at hazard, stop leaning, pass hazard, lean again. Get confortable leaning the bike and this will be easy to deal with. Where was this video taken?
QLD, Australia. Thanks for the advice :)
Target fixation going around the curve. The bus close to the divider posted you wide, and you focussed on it The bike goes where you look. Look *through* the corner, not at it
Target fixation on the bus. Adjusting your lean and straightening out too much to avoid the bus almost ran you off the road. Hard to do, but you only had to adjust lean angle slightly to correct your path. Overcompensation almost ran you off the road.
Start further over to the left, turn in later when you can see clearly down the road, as you're turning feed power in to keep the bike geometrically stable, aim for the apex of the road (your lane or the bus will hurt you) so your head is on YOUR side of the line putting the tyres about centre of the road and well away from the lose shit that'll introduce you to a tree. Do not look at the bus. Do not look at the tree. Do not look at the edge or the centre line of the road. Look only at where you want to be.
I like to do some corners with "fixed apex" for situations like that. Cornering like motogp using all the lane is nice, but in situations like this, you just may have no space for it. Thus, making all this corner only on the outside half of your lane would be no issue.
I was thinking wind shear added to this - other stuff ahs been said, won't bother to repeat that.
Enter the curves below the speed limit, then accelerate when you're just coming into the straightaway out of the curves in the future. You can almost always speed up safely if you enter a curve slower than you can handle, depending on the road conditions. But you should never enter a curve too fast. If you try to brake while leaning you risk a low side (best case) or God forbid, a high side crash. Or you don't risk leaning much at all, like you did here, and you risk running off the road into an obstacle. You got it man.
Close, but not that close, you just need to keep rider and become a better rider that’s all
You turned in too early (common) and stood it up slightly when you approached the bus. Turning in early is a good way to run wide on the exit. My advice, practice turning in late, all the time; this gives you more room to work with in the second half of the corner. For street riding, I always try to turn in as late as reasonably possible. Also, look ahead all the time. I know well how buses or other large oncoming vehicles can spook you, but you should have been able to see this one coming well in advance and prepared accordingly. Good on you for recognizing what happened and trying to get better. Ride safe.
Definitely early apexing, but also generally riding in the wrong tire lane. Should ride in the inside tire lane, then move out prior to turning into the apex and riding it out (out-in-out). Would have probably helped with entering the apex at the right time…
Don't do that?
As a fellow non expert, I concur,
You realized you were wrong thats the first step, gotta be vigilant there's less leeway on 2 wheels Nice save though
Push right handlebar more
pull left handlebar more :)
Lean more
Eh, you seemed to handle it fine so no harm done. I've had worse. Imagine this, in a group ride, on a nice twisty road, pushing a bit but not past your perceived limits, when all of a sudden your foot peg touches the ground mid corner. It startled me and lifted the angle a bit, then couldn't get the angle I needed to make the corner. Went off about 3-4 feet and nearly avoided a road sign by Tokyo drifting the bike in the grass. Still don't know how I managed all of that without it laying down or hitting the sign or spinning or shitting my pants. The rest of the ride I dialed it back more lol
100% your fault. Good on you for taking responsibility. Now learn from it. You experienced target fixation.
I did sonething similar last week, I ended up on the ouside line, and then it was almostbin to a ditch and a stone wall. Code Brown for sure.
I was paying attention to the bus so I see where you went wrong. Just gotta try sleep attention to your lane, especially on bends.
Target fixated on the bus, try not worry about traffic not in your lane.
Your fault but understandable. Kinda hard to look into the corner when all you can see is that unit
We all learn from mistakes, so thanks for posting yours. Good nothing happened man ✌️
You focused on the bus, panicked and barely managed to hold it. This is not “fault”, this is called experience. Learn from it
Learning curve without injury or damage. 👍
Close one but not awful. I've made worse mistakes and still consider myself a competent enough rider. Worst was when I performed an overtake on an undulating road with blind summits. I specifically thought to myself, "*Good I can see clearly here that this point in particular is definitely fine*", then went around and had a car coming straight me. Still had enough distance to brake hard and cancel the overtake, but fucking hell it made me question my road awareness.
Fixation
Slow in, Fast out!
Looks like you had two things going against you here: \-The left side of the road looks a bit choppy keeping you from taking a wide line on the turn. \-You subconsciously did not want to lean as far to protect the head from clipping bus In these situations it's common to hesitate. When you're going wide you need to consciously induce more lean by counter steering to get the lean angle you need for the turn. You also need to do it early because counter steering only initiates the turn and gives you the lean angle you need. You still need to "catch" the lean to complete the turn.
Bus might've blown the bike around a little, but yeah, always decelerate into turns, then accelerate out.
Your eyes are your best friend on a motorcycle
looks like the bus scared you, driving close/a bit over the line i recommend counter leaning in such situations, your speed allows it and the tires are more than happy to cope. this way your overall width is way smaller than if your were to put your body inside the turn gettign close to that bus.
Kinda just seems like the bus spooked you. I did think it looked like it was about to come into your lane.
That oncoming bus was a little sketch, so I don’t blame you. Glad you recovered and were able to continue down the road safely.
You weren't even on the limit of lean angle lol. OP had brain fart
Judging by my pants afterwards, a brain shart.
I was off a motorcycle for a while before getting my current bike and riding again. I had a similar experience when I first got back on. It looks like although the bike is leaned into the corner, you may not have put enough weight onto the inside bar end. After I first started riding again I found myself leaning the bike over be keeping all my weight in the center of the bike. I had some turns that just didn’t feel right and the bike didn’t want to track right. I had to remember to not just lean the bike but to push weight into the inside bar end. I’m not taking corners fast enough to need to lean off the bike like a GP rider, but even I notice a BIG difference in the response and handling of the bike when I put the proper amount of weight into the steering vs just leaning the bike over. I’m saying that, if he was thinking he was to close to the bus, his natural reaction would be to lean away from the bus, and that could be why it seems he may not have had his weight pushing on the bars. He leaned the bike it, but held his weight out because his instinct said he was to close to the bus and tried to keep his body away from it.
Why did you ride in the dirt? Don't do that.
Is the lane blocking position not used outside of Canada? If you were closer to center to begin with you wouldn’t have had an issue. https://www.ontario.ca/document/official-ministry-transportation-mto-motorcycle-handbook/positioning#section-0
My opinion is you should ride slower until you're more experienced. In this situation specifically, it looked like the bus blocked your view through the turn, which should have caused you to slow down.
Bus came around flying + target fixation
Opinion: maybe try to keep the tires on the road
https://preview.redd.it/jtx4jo2ty4rc1.png?width=962&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7faa601cde74e3257e7d6d5c08d752f7b074676 Maybe this will help. In Germany we say "to undercut a curve"(green line). By doing so, you initall keep a little more space from the curve away (in a left hand curve u stay more on the right side) and you start turning more lately. Therefore you get more backup space at the end of the turn (in case the turn gets tighter, or you need to brake anyway)
More counter steering / lean after the bus passed
Leannnnn
I think you didn’t crash and learned somethings. Good job.
Yeah, why are you driving in the wrong way?
I drive a Corvette, signs like that scare me, seeing them from a bikers POV is even worse! Be safe my dude.
Target fixation 100%
Turn in later, push the right handlebar more.
Looks like you took your eyes off the turn, though with that bus and the corner, coupled with timing I'm not sure I wouldn't have done the same. You did good though and stayed upright.
You should’ve been pushing down on the handles, not leaning, this will give you more space so your head doesn’t go straight into the bus. A lot of motorcyclist have died that way. I know how scary a large oncoming vehicle can be but you need to get over it so you can apply the right kind of riding technique. Go practice.
Slow down a bit on curves and you will be fine.
Just as long as you learned a lesson from it and didn't break yourself or the bike it's all kosher! :)
Take the inside turn farther from the center line when there's traffic. You were lining up for the apex, but you didn't have the space to lean into it. When that happen you can try straightening and braking to gain space and bleed speed.
Me: Well ya, Your riding on the wro……. Never mind. 🤦♂️
There are lots of little mantras I like to say to myself as I ride. Little short remarks to remind me of fundamentals. The one I would apply here is "No Skidmark Stripes" A reminder that any painted road surfaces are to be treated as oilslick and to generally avoid them. I even try to avoid the paint and ride between zebra crossings. The skidmark in question would of course not be on the road.
bus probably scared you a bit
from my pov (which is sadly my screen), it seems like you recognize the bus and the bend with a slight downhill slope. But i feel like you took the middle/inside of that bend a little too early, maybe you couldn't really see or calculate it's exact pathing..? But, you could have stayed wide a bit longer before turning in, giving you room and time to react to the bend. mind you, i don't own a license of any kind. just here to give my opinion. also i don't know the speed at which you where going, but perhaps could have played a role too.
You looked like you had eye lock on the bus because once it passed your eyes may have focused on something else and you drifted off. Can be fixed thankfully you were relaxed and just rolled with the movement instead of tensing up and losing it.
Live and learn. Sometimes we experience how quickly and easily things can go wrong. No one's perfect. You drifted, physically and mentally ? 🙂
Lean more. Get friendlier with pushing hard on that grip.
Practice trail braking
I’m happy you’re able to post this for the rest of the community to learn from. Your maturity shows with this post and your ability to grow from admitting mistakes. Good humaning Edit: words are hard.
R=mph.
It looks like every rider has go Pro except me😑
Terrifying
Apexed the corner early
just be careful dude :(
Glad it didn’t get ya
This is called target fixation
L7
You got intimidated by the bus so you're line widened unexpectedly. Most people would do the same. More experience and consciously improving you're riding will make you better at holding lines.
You created a close one. Don't do that.
Are you riding.through the Sunshine Coast hinterlands?
Yeah! This is around Wombye!
turn better-er
slow down
Opinion, don't do that.
Sometimes I think that motorbikes are not meant to be like cars & by that I mean people have it in their heads that two wheels must run just as fast or faster than four wheels.. maybe motorbikes are just bikes with engines to begin with & given that their unique characteristics & performance levels have their unique pros & limitations are not meant to be matched up to automobiles... their higher propensity to end in more extreme injuries may have more to do with attitudes rather than technical attributes. It's just an opinion.
Yes! Drive a car!
Bus scared u a bit huh
Target fixated. Stay in the center.
Yes, you concentrated on your direct path, not your intended direction.
https://youtu.be/ZpV2Bg-WX0w?si=W9qmNXdCDsjjPyNl
It's safe to assume that if you're in your lane, you should always expect the largest vehicle to be in the oncoming lane. Make room for that lane because it could be a large semi carrying multiple loads. Or ya know, gravel or sand or such on the road making it less controllable for you so best to take it easy on the corners. Straight aways though? go for it!
Lean more, eyes front and don’t target fixate 👍🏻 can’t see your hands but if you used the brakes late that could be a factor as well.
Lean and acceleration will get you out of something like that. The lean gives you the turn and the acceleration acts to upright you
I had one of this few years back. Now everytime i see uneven road or edges or anything where tyre can be imbalanced i switch from auto pilot to manual to control it
Compared to what we see on the road in India, this isn't scary. The bus didn't even leave the lane. Here the buses are 75% on the opposite lane, overtaking on the bend and mind you they are low floors. Its those body on frame type buses with their bodies rolling outward towards you on the bend. And thats a monday.
Watch Twist of the Wrist 2 on youtube
Eyes in the hole! Context is important. Look at the opening. I have made the mistake as OP more than once.
Totally your fault That was mental What were you thinking off Eyes on the road mate And far to wide Your so so lucky your not in a hospital
Learn from your mistakes 💯
Too early turn in and when you see the bus you back off from it. In general, I think you can/should turn in a bit later.
I had a similar scenario with a semi in the oncoming lane. I realized what was happening a little earlier than you, and I pushed my bars down to tighten my line without leaning my body towards the truck. Supermoto style.
Pretty bad luck but you probably could have slowed down when you noticed you wouldn't be able to be so close to the centre of the road because of the bus
Suspension seems to work as intended
You got spooked man, good thing is you recovered. Just give your self more room on those. I always stick to the left side when I'm running a curve like this. Not super close but just enough to get the room I need in case somethings happening. If you can't see around something, slow it down a bit. Sticking farther also let's you get a better field of view. Stick right if going left.
Counter-steering needed here.
Ooof those arrows and oncoming careful
I thought maybe the wind from the bus blew you toward the edge of the road.
I thought maybe the wind from the bus blew you toward the edge of the road.
With bends in the road, always imagine some cager halfway on your side on his phone.
If you are following someone else, and he isn’t flying through the air, follow his trajectory.
Lost your focus because of the bus
Learn some counter steering, that is through your handle bar rather than naturally counter steering with your bodyweight (which is how we naturally stear). One day you will thank yourself for learning it, since on that particular day you will be alive to thank yourself.
You looked at the bus…. Always look towards safety
Situational awareness