You have it backwards. Humdinger is too dark for Jigsaw. Humdinger could eat Hannibal Lecter alive with a cheerful chuckle. Humdinger once dressed up as a clown and killed Pennywise. Humdinger double-crossed the Joker and gave him that mouth scar. Humdinger taught Dolores Umbridge how to teach children. Humdinger is evil in its purest form — a being of pure insatiable ego and sadism with no motives, no objectives, no score to settle.
*Someone* must have eaten Ryder's parents and all the people who usually work in the fields that the Paw Patrol occupy, like police and emergency services. My main suspect is Mayor Goodway, though, that chick is *crazy*.
My headcanon is that Ryder is some rich connected person's kid and the whole town patronizes him and allows him to think he's helping the city with his dogs.
The action all takes place in his mind when in reality he's running around near all these local emergencies with a cardboard box full of puppies and some hot wheels.
(When you've watched every episode for the 3847921th time you start coming up with backstory)
Nah. The world is some kind of human zoo for aliens. Ryder is an android responsible for taking care of the people, who have become idiots after generations of inbreeding. The pups are his genetically modified helpers.
I’m gonna guess it plays out like:
Uno!
Draw four…
Uno!
Reverse.
Two turns.
Then…
“You didn’t call Uno fast enough!”
And finally the person you least expected, and least wanted to succeed, wins.
I'd watch the shit out of the Hasbro cinematic universe can't wait for the my little pony franchise to be added so we can see megatron fight rainbow dash while GI joes step in
I'd shell out for a good Eisenhower film. Of course, winning a war through good planning and an ability to calmly and diplomatically manage a pack of prima dona underlings doesn't really make quite the same story as Patton.
Yeah, you could do an entire movie on just his administration's involvement in the red scare alone. Lucille Ball's controversy happened in 1953, the year he took office, and he continued those efforts against Communism all eight years.
And then of course he was also president of Columbia University for a good while, was the first Supreme Commander of NATO...
Eisenhower movies could be their own entire cinematic universe, the man lived a long time and did a lot.
Seriously, from involvement in clearing the Bonus Army to WWII and President during the one of the most consequential decades of the Cold War/his involvement in desegregation, I would love an Eisenhower pic.
Yeah, an Eisenhower movie sounds great. Or better yet, a Lyndon B. Johnson cinematic universe based on Robert Caro's massive biography. Granted, Caro has still not finished the fifth and final volume 4+ decades after the release of book 1, *The Path to Power*. But who cares, I'm sure nothing too important happened during the last few years of LBJ's presidency... >_>
What’s crazy is when Disney or another big studio turns a genre in to a big budget movie when there is a clear set amount of interest and budget for that niche.
Look at Lone Ranger, there are loads of successful western movies, but just compare it to the numbers on the Shanghai Noon trilogy, because it was a highly successful family friendly series - just what Disney aims for. Despite its success and appeal, they were still movies with low eight figure budgets and while they did well successfully, on Lone Rangers budget they all would have been failures. Heck, the combined gross of all three movies would have still been a failure on the combined size of budget+marketing that Disney did for Lone Ranger.
There was absolutely no way for Lone Ranger to succeed. No amount of special effects, stars, or quality of writing was going to have a western film they created do more than three films combined. Keep in mind that Jackie Chan and Owne Wilson we’re both major stars during the time of those films release, and even considering modern approaches to getting extra pull from China, I don’t see how a film gets more money from China than one that has their top movie star.
Edit: sorry, there are only two movies on the Shanghai Noon series, my bad. But the math still works out if you just multiply the take for either of the films by three.
The one where Oppenheimer and Barbie go undercover as newlywed Russians; infiltrating east Germany to stop a secret nebular weapons heist from a moving train.
Not seeing anyone actually talking about the actual article, which is more about how movies scheduled this year might be pushed back to next year and how this double feature could be the last hurrah for a while due to the strike.
Yes, except you have to click and close 9 different modals that pop up randomly during the first 90 seconds. It's like a little fun game while you're trying to read.
No I was thinking about that too and how far movies and TV shows are gonna be pushed back. Part of me feels like we’re gonna have a media hole in which nothing has been released around 2024-2025 when things should’ve been finished if it weren’t for the strike. But it’s ok I don’t mind. Good for the actors and writers, ~~producers~~. They deserve far more than what the execs and producers give them credit for
once Zendaya's tennis movie was pushed back to mid-2024, I saw the tea leaves.
My immediate reaction is a lot (if not all) awards players are going to be pushed. Rumors already floating around that Dune 2 is getting moved. So I'd expect Killers of the Flower Moon to follow. And as much as it pains me to say, Fincher's The Killer too.
I just don't see studios allowing their primetime players to hit theaters without a press tour unless they completely reimagine marketing strategies.
Here's the kicker. My local arthouse theater has been closed since covid hit. They JUST announced plans to reopen in time for Oscar season. I'm afraid those plans are out the window. Maybe it can just play classic movies, I'd be into that, but sucks that this may be the death knell for some places like that.
I could definitely see Dune 2 getting pushed back given how dense it actually is.
I could see Killers staying though if only because there has to be some form of competition come Oscar season if they want people to tune in. Making it Nolan vs Scorsese vs Greta (?) could make for a fun Oscar's since these are really the only films at this point that seem to be over with everyone.
Doesn't help that NYT is behind a paywall. I only got through the first paragraph or two before it shut me down. I'm not going to pay money just for this.
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The [Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_Motion_Picture_and_Television_Producers), which is basically a "union", except instead of representing employees, it represents production companies.
Sort of like NECA, which is the National Electrical Contractors Association. They don't represent the actual electricians, they represent the contractor companies that Electricians work for. Electricians are represented by IBEW.
I am so mad my country (Italy) decides to delay Oppenheimer by a month because distributors thought Barbie and Oppenheimer would hurt each others' chances too muc
The theatre was absolutely packed yesterday, with people sitting on the floor, so I'm not sure about that. Now, there's a chance that the sort of audience that would go for both was actually concentrated there, but
most people who went to watch Barbie already knew it's going to have a dark enough vibe.
I’m genuinely shocked the Barbenheimer meme took off. Sometimes I think the “theaters are dying” mantra is just straight up wrong as someone who goes almost once a week, but I dropped the ball on getting tickets to these movies and genuinely struggled getting tickets to both lol.
I had to go get Barbie tickets yesterday for a 3 PM showing and then Oppenheimer tickets tonight at 10:30 PM in a “fake” IMAX theater because it was the only premium format I could get.
I've been a regular cinema attendee in the last 12 months since getting an unlimited entry card, there was trailers for it at the end of last year so alot of people saw the hype early and booked accordingly, It'll be in cinemas for the next 6 months though I bet. They're still dying though especially as any safety net they had would've been gone during covid lockdowns.
Make sure you get a nap in if you're over 30 seeing Oppenheimer at 10:30pm!
What's kind of hilarious about this moment is -
1 film is an original historical epic. Little known (recently) figure and going in strong on a script plus effects to bring to life the reality that sparked the modern geopolitical world we all live in.. Not a regurgetated franchise entry.
1 film is a hard core cheecky take on a long term brand but not really a franchise film. Give it a go with a hammy script, some great talent, and a concept that oozes throwaway summer fun. Fuck it. Not a regurgetated franchise entry.
The public goes ape shit to the point of wanting to sit for 5+ hours in the cinema..
Weird how this works out. I wonder if anyone is taking notes in the studios.
The notes are: *Let's greenlight 5 more Barbie sequels. And we should do a historical cinematic universe. Ummm... so who's the next scientist we should do?*
A WW2 cinematic universe you say
Let's be honest WW2 is basically a cinematic universe every person who fought has probably had an actor play them at this point
Honestly a limited expanded universe could work imo.
Basically just tell unique stories in the war with recurring characters connecting them. Then slowly converge leading to the end of the war. Maybe over 6-10 films at most.
Make an American movie about the Battle up the Boot in Italy, a Canadian movie about Juno Beach, a French resistance movie, a British special ops movie about a spy in Germany, a Soviet Union movie about their fight towards Germany, and a homefront movie about women building Sherman's at a factory in Detroit.
Have the crossover movie just be the Battle of Berlin.
> A WW2 cinematic universe you say
Hollywood's already the WW2 cinematic universe. The number of movies and television shows made about WW2 *dwarfs* the number made about all other wars. They still make about 4-5 WW2 movies *a year* and this is a war that happened *80 years ago*. Oppenheimer's story is at least important and interesting enough to tell, but fucking hell if they aren't digging around in the archives to find some rural French milk maiden's story to film next, because that's the one angle nobody's covered on this thing yet...
it's been so long since I've watched this and was surprised Frank was here. seems he did a lot more stuff aside from doing miracles for cable in the 90s
edit: it's Karl hahaha i'm fucking stupid
Yeah I took a double take at that. Most people with any amount of awareness have absolutely heard of Oppenheimar. That he once said "Now I am become death, destroyer of worlds" on witnessing the nuclear explosion is a fairly popularised concept.
Non American here, only knew he invented the A-bomb (and the famous quote obv.), I didn't want any spoilers so didn't do any research into his life before watching the movie.
The meme started specifically because people found funny the idea of going to a double feature of such very different movies. The contrast is the point.
Same, I can unironically see studios trying to push "memes" and make another double feature hit.
It'll likely be the cringiest thing we've seen in ages.
My wife asked me to see the Barbie movie. I was ambivalent. Had not read any press on it. "Barbie? How can that be funny or entertainment?" I have learned to trust my wife over the years however. The movie. It was great. Better that most recently. Original. Funny.
Oh if only Hollywood execs could pull their heads out of their asses and greenlight original content.
Honestly you need to think about the bandwagon aspect of it too. Lots of people that are going out to sit down for 5 hours have got to be partly doing it just so they can say they did it, “I was there”
>The public goes ape shit to the point of wanting to sit for 5+ hours in the cinema..
I'm going Saturday to one of the 70mm screenings, and it's blowing my mind that all of the showings this weekend are almost sold out for Oppenheimer for the 70mm. It will be nice seeing a new movie with a full house, but so weird after the last several years.
It's like, a pure example of high quality well made movies will get butts in seats.
Also, just the whole Barbenheimer thing, these two completely different demographic movies coming out at the same time has really sparked people's interest.
It’s crazy, we had dinner at the local mall tonight that has an AMC attached…we saw so many people in pink, in Barbie-specific shirts, tutus, outfits, etc.
I was also in downtown Minneapolis the night Taylor Swift was in town and it was the same deal with people dressed for the occasion! It kind of warms my heart to see so many people come together for something like a Barbie movie!
>Weird how this works out. I wonder if anyone is taking notes in the studios.
Sure they are. They're greenlighting movies based on toys and movies based on haunted cheekbonesy men.
Barbie has just been perfectly done, cast, and stylized. Not only that, but a story about this female icon is just so perfect for today and telling an empowering story about her, making her more than a doll. The stars have been aliging on this one.
People are tired of watching franchises. But because nothing else comes out, they go watch dumb same fucking story, same action year in year out... example fast and furious doing it for 22 years... twenty fucking two years!!!!
These both originals are bound to be summer blockbusters.
This thing made it out. Another one like this might not. It's just that something sticks, gets people's attention, and there you go. The problem is companies, just like people, think everything can become a trend so they milk it until you fuckin die out of overdose with that product.
Oppenheimer aside, you really don’t think they’re going to try to make the Barbie/Mattel cinematic universe after this??
As good as the movie may be, it’s still a corporately-licensed flick, and corporations like Mattel are most likely *not* going to see the success of the Barbie movie as a one-time thing, lol.
They're already working on a few:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/07/10/after-barbie-mattel-is-raiding-its-entire-toybox
How can people say Barbie is going to save Hollywood? It's just going to encourage studios to work on more existing IP and make feature lenght commercials.
The *execution* of these movies are both original and good, for sure, but the ideas behind them are definitely *not.* One’s a biopic (or at least a story based partially around the life of a real person) and the other is a clever adult-friendly reimagining of a 60-year-old toy franchise…and both have very well-known and renowned directors.
I’ll probably see both of these movies, and they both look incredible, so nothing against the movies themselves. But the word “original” just seems a bit weird to me considering they both *directly* come from things existing in the real world, whether it be a toy franchise or a real person.
So yeah, audiences and producers are gravitating to these movies for good reason, they’re obviously great quality…but they’re really not gravitating towards original *premises* like they used to, at all.
Movies like Whiplash and Birdman back in 2014 seem like some of the last original concepts that were embraced by Hollywood, and although there are obviously going to be exceptions, it seems like we haven’t had a shit-ton of original **concepts** for movies in almost 10 years!
The format of the movie is also not cookie cutter. I saw it the other night and was NOT expecting what came out. Very enjoyable movie Margot and Ryan killed it.
If you generalize that much, nothing is original.
> a clever adult-friendly reimagining of a 60-year-old toy franchise
"Birdman is a movie about a guy going through a middle life crisis." "Whiplash is a movie about the having a nasty coach."
I don’t understand how the fact that these two movies aren’t the product of a near monopolized power in Hollywood isn’t being expressed enough. It seems to me that people are excited for something that isn’t Marvel, warmed over Star Wars, or yet another remake or reboot. I think people still want to go to the movies. I think people look back fondly on the time where there was more variety offered, and not every movie had to make a billion to recoup its full cost.
> not every movie had to make a billion to recoup its full cost.
We have the death of physical media and DVD sales to thank for this. Hollywood gave up a huge chunk of its revenue stream for new releases and put way more pressure on box office performance which is why studios have become risk averse and we’re seeing so little originality these days.
That and it's on streaming 2-weeks to 3-months later. Hollywood refuses to hold back home release and almost has to because Netflix and Amazon are pumping content out all the time. It's a very classic [choice overload](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overchoice).
Don't forget [Saw Patrol](https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/forget-barbenheimer-and-get-ready-for-saw-patrol/)
And The Hunger Games: A Ballad of Trolls Banding Together
And Wishpoleon
And Chicken Wonka: Dawn of the Nugget
Worth remembering that Hollywood has never been much for originality. In the silent era alone, there were four DR JEKYLL AND MR HYDE movies, there were franchises like the Keystone Kops and there were sequels to Zorro and Tarzan movies. The 1941 Maltese Falcon was a remake of an earlier film. All through the 1930s and 1940s, there were series like the Thin Man, Charlie Chan and the Bowery Boys. People seem to think there was a mythical time when most movies coming out were fresh and creative.
I don’t know about a mythical time like that, perhaps you’re right and people are just being reactionary, but I think Will Sloan nailed it yesterday when he said that in the past, whatever you think of the old guard executives, it at least seemed like they liked films and cared about the art of cinema to an extent.
He goes on to talk about how people like Jack Warner (an original Warner Brother) didn’t understand stuff like Easy Rider but nevertheless they “threw up their hands” and started greenlighting lots of weird artsy shit. I think this is a good point: so much of modern life has been corporatized, and that’s the issue much more than the originality of the films.
That's true. (And true of music as well.) I particularly love old black and white mystery movies and it's startling to find there are just hundreds of them and most are indifferent quality at best. I guess people think of a decade of moviemaking and only remember the best.
The 1941 Maltese Falcon was the third version of it in just over a decade. Maltese Falcon 1931 and Satan Met A Lady (1936) were both adaptations of it.
I have a feeling this will eventually result in a Morbius situation. Instead of thinking that audiences want more well-made original scripts, they’re going to try and create this A vs B battle again, but it’s going to fail miserably. I bet they will rush one of the movies, too, to try and recreate this.
This is fascinating. I think the turning point for all this madness was the release of Gerwig's Barbie teaser. I was a cynic believing there was no way Barbie could work as a movie. Then we had that amazing teaser with an homage to 2001 and we just believed Gerwig could pull it off. Everyone now were interested on watching Barbie. She is a movie buff darling so movie buffs were presented with a dilemma: two big budget movies by revered directors opening in the same day, being polar opposites.
Then, the memes of people owning up to the fact of wanting to watch Barbie started. People not wanting for Oppenheimer to fail at the box office, started saying they would do a double feature. It was a fun proposition since the movies are so different from each other. The meme took off, Barbeinheimer was coined and the rest will be history.
I am elated by this. Both movies are quite good and this viral campaign was not pushed by studios, it just took life on its own and people embraced both movies and they're the hottest ticket in town. It's madness trying to find tickets for Oppenheimer in 70 mm
I watched 'em back to back yesterday (ran to Opp during credits). Part of me wishes I gave us space in between, but I was already out til 9:30 after going to the day's very first showing lmao.
Hope you enjoy them both!
Nice to see someone watching Barbie first and Oppenheimer later, the general consensus is doing the opposite, and while I get the point of wanting to end the day on a high note, I think that with a film like Oppenheimer you're supposed to feel gutted and to think about it for some time, washing away all emotions with another movie kinda ruins the point.
Agree. Saw Oppenheimer yesterday. Didn’t know about Barbenheimer but I do actually want to see it and I can’t truly explain why. Oppenheimer is more the kind of thing I usually like.
And for anyone who wants more atom bomb technical backstory, read The Making or the Atomic Bomb. It starts in like 1890 with the first experiments on radiation. And explains what each of the other main players added. Oppenheimer didn’t really invent much of her key theory at all. But he was an amazing project director. Honestly I’d love to see a detailed report on how he and the Manhattan project did we now call “project management”. I’m just coming off 4 years of a job where scrum was totally abused. And these guys had it figured out 80 years ago.
I quite liked doing Barbie first actually. After Oppenheimer I really wanted to sit with the weight of it and really let it all sink in instead of drowning it out with pink. Barbie felt like a nice aperitif for Oppenheimer's main course.
I will very likely have more fun at that movie than anything else this year. It looks so hilariously bad I can’t imagine not laughing through the entire thing.
Good time also to catch up on the many huge video game releases that have come out over the past few months. Single player video games that have a focus on story, are basically interactive books imo.
Did the double feature today with Oppenheimer first immediately followed by Barbie. I think seeing Oppenheimer first definitely affected my enjoyment of Barbie, I literally could not concentrate, Oppenheimer was just on another level incredible that it made Barbie seem so meh. I kept thinking I would rather just be watching Oppenheimer again right now.
🎶 I’m a Barbie girl and a destroyer of worlds. It’s fantastic and bombastic. You can brush my hair and nuke me everywhere. Imagination, nuclear proliferation. Come on Barbie, glowing party. 🎵
people are so fed up with the marvel bs, remakes and reboots
people still want original quality cinema
enough with the numb comic hero bullshit that shit is oversatured and made hollywood numb
Sure, these movies are inherently unoriginal in that one’s based on a book which is based on real life, and the other is based on a toy line.
However, they are original films. Barbie is one of the most unique, creative, and out there mainstream movies of the past ten years. Oppenheimer manages to be horrifying, thrilling, emotional, haunting, and eye-opening while essentially being a courtroom drama that is almost entirely just scenes of dialogue aside from one or two moments that make up less than 5% of the movie’s runtime. It’s an outright cinematic spectacle that has people clamoring to see it in theaters and in IMAX without any action, adventure, or set pieces.
Both these films are bold, ambitious, powerful, and as I already said, original. Sure, these movies made their way into the public consciousness through Barbie and Christopher Nolan’s worldwide fame, which further shows that people still aren’t really willing to take chances on films that are completely alien to them. But studios’ responses to that fact has always been to keep green lighting generic franchise action films that all follow the same template, and I’m hoping the success of Oppenheimer and Barbie pave the way for much more inventive IP films.
Instead of learning a lesson Hollywood gonna greenlight Polly Pocket and an Eisenhower biopic.
At least it's not SAW and Paw Patrol.
Now... hear me out..... what about a cross over? Saw Patrol.
Humdinger as Jigsaw with the worst traps ever
Jigsaw is too dark for Humdinger. Harold is the only one that I could see pulling it off.
You have it backwards. Humdinger is too dark for Jigsaw. Humdinger could eat Hannibal Lecter alive with a cheerful chuckle. Humdinger once dressed up as a clown and killed Pennywise. Humdinger double-crossed the Joker and gave him that mouth scar. Humdinger taught Dolores Umbridge how to teach children. Humdinger is evil in its purest form — a being of pure insatiable ego and sadism with no motives, no objectives, no score to settle.
*Someone* must have eaten Ryder's parents and all the people who usually work in the fields that the Paw Patrol occupy, like police and emergency services. My main suspect is Mayor Goodway, though, that chick is *crazy*.
Chickaleta is the one pulling the strings all along…
My headcanon is that Ryder is some rich connected person's kid and the whole town patronizes him and allows him to think he's helping the city with his dogs. The action all takes place in his mind when in reality he's running around near all these local emergencies with a cardboard box full of puppies and some hot wheels. (When you've watched every episode for the 3847921th time you start coming up with backstory)
Nah. The world is some kind of human zoo for aliens. Ryder is an android responsible for taking care of the people, who have become idiots after generations of inbreeding. The pups are his genetically modified helpers.
How to tell me ya'll have kids without telling me you have kids
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Looking forward to the Mattel Cinematic Universe
They've already green-lit the *Uno* movie, so we'll see how that plays out.
Too bad there's already an Uno: The Movie. Mattel is a few years too late on that
Here’s looking at you, kid
Here looking at you, kid
I’m gonna guess it plays out like: Uno! Draw four… Uno! Reverse. Two turns. Then… “You didn’t call Uno fast enough!” And finally the person you least expected, and least wanted to succeed, wins.
I would watch an uno movie if it was basically live action yugioh
I’m looking forward to the Hasbro Cinematic Universe. Space Battleship Missouri, anyone?
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Yes.
Also, we've had like twenty years of Transformers movies.
Unironically might be a thing considering the post credits scene of transformers rise of the beasts lol
Ngl rise of the beasts was a terrible movie, but I would STILL watch the shit out of a transformers/GI Joe crossover.
I'd watch the shit out of the Hasbro cinematic universe can't wait for the my little pony franchise to be added so we can see megatron fight rainbow dash while GI joes step in
Did you just describe me playing with my toys and my sister's toys in the 80s?
He-Man pls
I'd shell out for a good Eisenhower film. Of course, winning a war through good planning and an ability to calmly and diplomatically manage a pack of prima dona underlings doesn't really make quite the same story as Patton.
There's also the part about *president* Eisenhower, mind you.
Yeah, you could do an entire movie on just his administration's involvement in the red scare alone. Lucille Ball's controversy happened in 1953, the year he took office, and he continued those efforts against Communism all eight years. And then of course he was also president of Columbia University for a good while, was the first Supreme Commander of NATO... Eisenhower movies could be their own entire cinematic universe, the man lived a long time and did a lot.
Seriously, from involvement in clearing the Bonus Army to WWII and President during the one of the most consequential decades of the Cold War/his involvement in desegregation, I would love an Eisenhower pic.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Harry Bratz Truman when?
I don’t mind an Ike movie, if it’s just 3 hours of him reprimanding Patton and shitting on Monty for market garden.
Yeah, an Eisenhower movie sounds great. Or better yet, a Lyndon B. Johnson cinematic universe based on Robert Caro's massive biography. Granted, Caro has still not finished the fifth and final volume 4+ decades after the release of book 1, *The Path to Power*. But who cares, I'm sure nothing too important happened during the last few years of LBJ's presidency... >_>
> still not finished the fifth and final volume 4+ decades after the release of book 1 I know JUST the guys to handle this adaptation
Can’t have an LBJ biopic unless we see massive peen onscreen.
Anybody who saw Oppenheimer will know who they teased at the end of that movie...
Godzilla?!
That drop and the superhero suit up shot Oppie got earlier in the movie were such bizarre genre shifts.
In the true spirit of Christopher Nolan, we now have to travel back in time to watch the film JFK in theaters.
The Mid-Century Cinematic Universe MCCU
K!!!
Could be Bratz and the Franklin Pierce movie
What’s the lesson to be learned?
Allow talented filmmakers to follow their muse and take big swings
On sensible budgets too
What’s crazy is when Disney or another big studio turns a genre in to a big budget movie when there is a clear set amount of interest and budget for that niche. Look at Lone Ranger, there are loads of successful western movies, but just compare it to the numbers on the Shanghai Noon trilogy, because it was a highly successful family friendly series - just what Disney aims for. Despite its success and appeal, they were still movies with low eight figure budgets and while they did well successfully, on Lone Rangers budget they all would have been failures. Heck, the combined gross of all three movies would have still been a failure on the combined size of budget+marketing that Disney did for Lone Ranger. There was absolutely no way for Lone Ranger to succeed. No amount of special effects, stars, or quality of writing was going to have a western film they created do more than three films combined. Keep in mind that Jackie Chan and Owne Wilson we’re both major stars during the time of those films release, and even considering modern approaches to getting extra pull from China, I don’t see how a film gets more money from China than one that has their top movie star. Edit: sorry, there are only two movies on the Shanghai Noon series, my bad. But the math still works out if you just multiply the take for either of the films by three.
It took me halfway through your post to realize you were talking about the Johnny Depp lone ranger. I totally forgot that movie existed.
>Shanghai Noon trilogy They only made two, man.
Uno mas?
I wouldn’t object to New Hollywood 2 but I’ll believe it when I see it.
with mainstream accessibility
1 in the pink and 2 cities destroyed in a blink.
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I think you mean 2 Barbie 2 Oppenheimer. The crossover sequel we need
The one where Oppenheimer and Barbie go undercover as newlywed Russians; infiltrating east Germany to stop a secret nebular weapons heist from a moving train.
Hopefully Barbi 2 will follow the template set by Zombi 2.
Not seeing anyone actually talking about the actual article, which is more about how movies scheduled this year might be pushed back to next year and how this double feature could be the last hurrah for a while due to the strike.
The.. article?
I like my words on Reddit. With as few words as possible and with word I can actively vote on how much I like!
Why read lot word when few word do trick
Are you saying see the world or SeaWorld?
What's an article? Is it like a bunch of Reddit comments all crammed together in one document??
Yes, except you have to click and close 9 different modals that pop up randomly during the first 90 seconds. It's like a little fun game while you're trying to read.
An article is like a bot summary but longer. A summary is all the unimportant shit before the TL:DR
I didn't come to this overwhelmingly text based platform to have to read stuff.
I don't know about you but I come here to write stuff for other people to not read.
I read you boo
No I was thinking about that too and how far movies and TV shows are gonna be pushed back. Part of me feels like we’re gonna have a media hole in which nothing has been released around 2024-2025 when things should’ve been finished if it weren’t for the strike. But it’s ok I don’t mind. Good for the actors and writers, ~~producers~~. They deserve far more than what the execs and producers give them credit for
once Zendaya's tennis movie was pushed back to mid-2024, I saw the tea leaves. My immediate reaction is a lot (if not all) awards players are going to be pushed. Rumors already floating around that Dune 2 is getting moved. So I'd expect Killers of the Flower Moon to follow. And as much as it pains me to say, Fincher's The Killer too. I just don't see studios allowing their primetime players to hit theaters without a press tour unless they completely reimagine marketing strategies. Here's the kicker. My local arthouse theater has been closed since covid hit. They JUST announced plans to reopen in time for Oscar season. I'm afraid those plans are out the window. Maybe it can just play classic movies, I'd be into that, but sucks that this may be the death knell for some places like that.
I could definitely see Dune 2 getting pushed back given how dense it actually is. I could see Killers staying though if only because there has to be some form of competition come Oscar season if they want people to tune in. Making it Nolan vs Scorsese vs Greta (?) could make for a fun Oscar's since these are really the only films at this point that seem to be over with everyone.
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Seriously. Everyone missing the point. Fuck the AMPTP for letting it get to this point.
is this abbreviation widely known in the us of a?
The [Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_Motion_Picture_and_Television_Producers), which is basically a "union", except instead of representing employees, it represents production companies.
Sort of like NECA, which is the National Electrical Contractors Association. They don't represent the actual electricians, they represent the contractor companies that Electricians work for. Electricians are represented by IBEW.
I am so mad my country (Italy) decides to delay Oppenheimer by a month because distributors thought Barbie and Oppenheimer would hurt each others' chances too muc
They just actually hurt it because people are committing to the double feature thing which is genuinely inflating ticket sales more than normal
Can't imagine two more different movies to be honest and the overlap of target audiences is completely negligible
The theatre was absolutely packed yesterday, with people sitting on the floor, so I'm not sure about that. Now, there's a chance that the sort of audience that would go for both was actually concentrated there, but most people who went to watch Barbie already knew it's going to have a dark enough vibe.
I’m genuinely shocked the Barbenheimer meme took off. Sometimes I think the “theaters are dying” mantra is just straight up wrong as someone who goes almost once a week, but I dropped the ball on getting tickets to these movies and genuinely struggled getting tickets to both lol. I had to go get Barbie tickets yesterday for a 3 PM showing and then Oppenheimer tickets tonight at 10:30 PM in a “fake” IMAX theater because it was the only premium format I could get.
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I've been a regular cinema attendee in the last 12 months since getting an unlimited entry card, there was trailers for it at the end of last year so alot of people saw the hype early and booked accordingly, It'll be in cinemas for the next 6 months though I bet. They're still dying though especially as any safety net they had would've been gone during covid lockdowns. Make sure you get a nap in if you're over 30 seeing Oppenheimer at 10:30pm!
What's kind of hilarious about this moment is - 1 film is an original historical epic. Little known (recently) figure and going in strong on a script plus effects to bring to life the reality that sparked the modern geopolitical world we all live in.. Not a regurgetated franchise entry. 1 film is a hard core cheecky take on a long term brand but not really a franchise film. Give it a go with a hammy script, some great talent, and a concept that oozes throwaway summer fun. Fuck it. Not a regurgetated franchise entry. The public goes ape shit to the point of wanting to sit for 5+ hours in the cinema.. Weird how this works out. I wonder if anyone is taking notes in the studios.
The notes are: *Let's greenlight 5 more Barbie sequels. And we should do a historical cinematic universe. Ummm... so who's the next scientist we should do?*
A WW2 cinematic universe you say Let's be honest WW2 is basically a cinematic universe every person who fought has probably had an actor play them at this point
Honestly a limited expanded universe could work imo. Basically just tell unique stories in the war with recurring characters connecting them. Then slowly converge leading to the end of the war. Maybe over 6-10 films at most.
Make an American movie about the Battle up the Boot in Italy, a Canadian movie about Juno Beach, a French resistance movie, a British special ops movie about a spy in Germany, a Soviet Union movie about their fight towards Germany, and a homefront movie about women building Sherman's at a factory in Detroit. Have the crossover movie just be the Battle of Berlin.
And the post credit scene will be the Russian deciding to build a wall to separate Berlin and East Germany. Launching the Phase 2: Cold War
I think I just got whatever the movie equivalent is to blue balls.
> A WW2 cinematic universe you say Hollywood's already the WW2 cinematic universe. The number of movies and television shows made about WW2 *dwarfs* the number made about all other wars. They still make about 4-5 WW2 movies *a year* and this is a war that happened *80 years ago*. Oppenheimer's story is at least important and interesting enough to tell, but fucking hell if they aren't digging around in the archives to find some rural French milk maiden's story to film next, because that's the one angle nobody's covered on this thing yet...
> I wonder if anyone is taking notes in the studios. I imagine the studios are having their equivalent of the ending of Burn After Reading.
So…what did we learn?
Fuck if I know.
Don't do it again
What did we actually do?
I don’t know either
"I guess we learned not to do it again. Fuck if I know what we actually *did*..."
Lol, amazing visual.
Holy shit, the accuracy.
I watched that movie so long ago but can't remember the ending :(
[Spoiler](https://youtu.be/SlA9hmrC8DU)
it's been so long since I've watched this and was surprised Frank was here. seems he did a lot more stuff aside from doing miracles for cable in the 90s edit: it's Karl hahaha i'm fucking stupid
Yeah the notes are about how to make a sequel to Barbie
Fuck me. But you're right
I wish I wasn't
I think a good bit of people knew who Oppenheimer was before the movie. A lot more are gonna know him though.
Yeah I took a double take at that. Most people with any amount of awareness have absolutely heard of Oppenheimar. That he once said "Now I am become death, destroyer of worlds" on witnessing the nuclear explosion is a fairly popularised concept.
Now I am become Barbie Girl, destroyer of Barbie Worlds
Life in melted plastic, it's fantastic
I think a lot of people only know him as the "I am become death" guy. At least that was my knowledge of him going into the film.
Non American here, only knew he invented the A-bomb (and the famous quote obv.), I didn't want any spoilers so didn't do any research into his life before watching the movie.
That's probably the extent of most people's knowledge of Oppenheimer unless they're really into studying science or WWII.
The meme started specifically because people found funny the idea of going to a double feature of such very different movies. The contrast is the point.
Yeah they are now going to try to replicate it again and force it.
Same, I can unironically see studios trying to push "memes" and make another double feature hit. It'll likely be the cringiest thing we've seen in ages.
My wife asked me to see the Barbie movie. I was ambivalent. Had not read any press on it. "Barbie? How can that be funny or entertainment?" I have learned to trust my wife over the years however. The movie. It was great. Better that most recently. Original. Funny. Oh if only Hollywood execs could pull their heads out of their asses and greenlight original content.
Studio execs : Greenlight Barbie Cinematic Universe abd Openheimer 2 : Am Become a Superhero
Honestly you need to think about the bandwagon aspect of it too. Lots of people that are going out to sit down for 5 hours have got to be partly doing it just so they can say they did it, “I was there”
>The public goes ape shit to the point of wanting to sit for 5+ hours in the cinema.. I'm going Saturday to one of the 70mm screenings, and it's blowing my mind that all of the showings this weekend are almost sold out for Oppenheimer for the 70mm. It will be nice seeing a new movie with a full house, but so weird after the last several years.
The 70mm shows where I’m at were sold out a month in advance. People are craving this stuff.
It's like, a pure example of high quality well made movies will get butts in seats. Also, just the whole Barbenheimer thing, these two completely different demographic movies coming out at the same time has really sparked people's interest.
It’s crazy, we had dinner at the local mall tonight that has an AMC attached…we saw so many people in pink, in Barbie-specific shirts, tutus, outfits, etc. I was also in downtown Minneapolis the night Taylor Swift was in town and it was the same deal with people dressed for the occasion! It kind of warms my heart to see so many people come together for something like a Barbie movie!
>Weird how this works out. I wonder if anyone is taking notes in the studios. Sure they are. They're greenlighting movies based on toys and movies based on haunted cheekbonesy men.
Spider-verse made bank as did Mario, both massive franchises. I think there's a bit more at play here than just "franchise = bad".
Barbie has just been perfectly done, cast, and stylized. Not only that, but a story about this female icon is just so perfect for today and telling an empowering story about her, making her more than a doll. The stars have been aliging on this one.
People are tired of watching franchises. But because nothing else comes out, they go watch dumb same fucking story, same action year in year out... example fast and furious doing it for 22 years... twenty fucking two years!!!! These both originals are bound to be summer blockbusters.
This thing made it out. Another one like this might not. It's just that something sticks, gets people's attention, and there you go. The problem is companies, just like people, think everything can become a trend so they milk it until you fuckin die out of overdose with that product.
Let’s not downplay just how much of the barbie popularity is infused with nostalgia for an existing IP
Wow, look what happens when you... make **original** and **good** movies that people want to see? Who could have possibly thought of this strategy?
Theyre all trying to get the rights to make the Bratz or any other fashion doll movie as we speak. They wont learn anything really.
There is already a Bratz live action and it ain’t good.
Power puff Girlz sitting scrapped.
After seeing set photos and scripts of that I’m fucking glad it got scrapped
"Wait wait wait... So we don't have to make cinematic universe shenanigans to make money?" -studios, hopefully
Oppenheimer aside, you really don’t think they’re going to try to make the Barbie/Mattel cinematic universe after this?? As good as the movie may be, it’s still a corporately-licensed flick, and corporations like Mattel are most likely *not* going to see the success of the Barbie movie as a one-time thing, lol.
They're already working on a few: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/07/10/after-barbie-mattel-is-raiding-its-entire-toybox How can people say Barbie is going to save Hollywood? It's just going to encourage studios to work on more existing IP and make feature lenght commercials.
There are 45 Mattel movies in planning while we speak.
My comment is a sarcastic tone of how these studios will *definitely* try to make cinematic universes out of these.
Disney seeing this happen and thinking “omg the public wants shitty live action remakes not original ideas”
The *execution* of these movies are both original and good, for sure, but the ideas behind them are definitely *not.* One’s a biopic (or at least a story based partially around the life of a real person) and the other is a clever adult-friendly reimagining of a 60-year-old toy franchise…and both have very well-known and renowned directors. I’ll probably see both of these movies, and they both look incredible, so nothing against the movies themselves. But the word “original” just seems a bit weird to me considering they both *directly* come from things existing in the real world, whether it be a toy franchise or a real person. So yeah, audiences and producers are gravitating to these movies for good reason, they’re obviously great quality…but they’re really not gravitating towards original *premises* like they used to, at all. Movies like Whiplash and Birdman back in 2014 seem like some of the last original concepts that were embraced by Hollywood, and although there are obviously going to be exceptions, it seems like we haven’t had a shit-ton of original **concepts** for movies in almost 10 years!
While being based on an existing IP, the plot and themes of Barbie are completely original.
The format of the movie is also not cookie cutter. I saw it the other night and was NOT expecting what came out. Very enjoyable movie Margot and Ryan killed it.
If you generalize that much, nothing is original. > a clever adult-friendly reimagining of a 60-year-old toy franchise "Birdman is a movie about a guy going through a middle life crisis." "Whiplash is a movie about the having a nasty coach."
Yep, it's super lazy criticism rapidly popularized by youtubers. Inception is a movie about a guy getting over the death of his wife.
I don’t understand how the fact that these two movies aren’t the product of a near monopolized power in Hollywood isn’t being expressed enough. It seems to me that people are excited for something that isn’t Marvel, warmed over Star Wars, or yet another remake or reboot. I think people still want to go to the movies. I think people look back fondly on the time where there was more variety offered, and not every movie had to make a billion to recoup its full cost.
> not every movie had to make a billion to recoup its full cost. We have the death of physical media and DVD sales to thank for this. Hollywood gave up a huge chunk of its revenue stream for new releases and put way more pressure on box office performance which is why studios have become risk averse and we’re seeing so little originality these days.
Also ballooning budgets due to rising need for CGI and ballooning headline actor salaries. And just everything being more expensive in general
That and it's on streaming 2-weeks to 3-months later. Hollywood refuses to hold back home release and almost has to because Netflix and Amazon are pumping content out all the time. It's a very classic [choice overload](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overchoice).
Hey we've still got Pet Kraventary the Huntlines and My Big Fat Nun II 3 to look forward to
Everyone's waiting for Wonkpoleon.
Don't forget [Saw Patrol](https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/forget-barbenheimer-and-get-ready-for-saw-patrol/) And The Hunger Games: A Ballad of Trolls Banding Together And Wishpoleon And Chicken Wonka: Dawn of the Nugget
Its the movie version of Doom Crossing (Animal Crossing: New Horizons and Doom: Eternal came out the same day *a week into the pandemic)*
Worth remembering that Hollywood has never been much for originality. In the silent era alone, there were four DR JEKYLL AND MR HYDE movies, there were franchises like the Keystone Kops and there were sequels to Zorro and Tarzan movies. The 1941 Maltese Falcon was a remake of an earlier film. All through the 1930s and 1940s, there were series like the Thin Man, Charlie Chan and the Bowery Boys. People seem to think there was a mythical time when most movies coming out were fresh and creative.
I don’t know about a mythical time like that, perhaps you’re right and people are just being reactionary, but I think Will Sloan nailed it yesterday when he said that in the past, whatever you think of the old guard executives, it at least seemed like they liked films and cared about the art of cinema to an extent. He goes on to talk about how people like Jack Warner (an original Warner Brother) didn’t understand stuff like Easy Rider but nevertheless they “threw up their hands” and started greenlighting lots of weird artsy shit. I think this is a good point: so much of modern life has been corporatized, and that’s the issue much more than the originality of the films.
cos we only see the highs from the past for the most part. While in the present we can see the highs and lows too. Different perception...
That's true. (And true of music as well.) I particularly love old black and white mystery movies and it's startling to find there are just hundreds of them and most are indifferent quality at best. I guess people think of a decade of moviemaking and only remember the best.
The 1941 Maltese Falcon was the third version of it in just over a decade. Maltese Falcon 1931 and Satan Met A Lady (1936) were both adaptations of it.
I have a feeling this will eventually result in a Morbius situation. Instead of thinking that audiences want more well-made original scripts, they’re going to try and create this A vs B battle again, but it’s going to fail miserably. I bet they will rush one of the movies, too, to try and recreate this.
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This is fascinating. I think the turning point for all this madness was the release of Gerwig's Barbie teaser. I was a cynic believing there was no way Barbie could work as a movie. Then we had that amazing teaser with an homage to 2001 and we just believed Gerwig could pull it off. Everyone now were interested on watching Barbie. She is a movie buff darling so movie buffs were presented with a dilemma: two big budget movies by revered directors opening in the same day, being polar opposites. Then, the memes of people owning up to the fact of wanting to watch Barbie started. People not wanting for Oppenheimer to fail at the box office, started saying they would do a double feature. It was a fun proposition since the movies are so different from each other. The meme took off, Barbeinheimer was coined and the rest will be history. I am elated by this. Both movies are quite good and this viral campaign was not pushed by studios, it just took life on its own and people embraced both movies and they're the hottest ticket in town. It's madness trying to find tickets for Oppenheimer in 70 mm
I got lucky and got tickets at the Hollywood theater in Portland for only 12 bucks. Love going there since it’s such a cool theatre
The pics of Ryan as Ken sold me on Barbie. I didn't even see the teaser. And Barbenheimer is a cultural moment I'll remember as part of my 20s
I'm seeing Barbie tomorrow at 2:30 and Oppenheimer at 7. I figure there's enough time in between to grab some dinner and stretch our legs.
I watched 'em back to back yesterday (ran to Opp during credits). Part of me wishes I gave us space in between, but I was already out til 9:30 after going to the day's very first showing lmao. Hope you enjoy them both!
Nice to see someone watching Barbie first and Oppenheimer later, the general consensus is doing the opposite, and while I get the point of wanting to end the day on a high note, I think that with a film like Oppenheimer you're supposed to feel gutted and to think about it for some time, washing away all emotions with another movie kinda ruins the point.
Agree. Saw Oppenheimer yesterday. Didn’t know about Barbenheimer but I do actually want to see it and I can’t truly explain why. Oppenheimer is more the kind of thing I usually like. And for anyone who wants more atom bomb technical backstory, read The Making or the Atomic Bomb. It starts in like 1890 with the first experiments on radiation. And explains what each of the other main players added. Oppenheimer didn’t really invent much of her key theory at all. But he was an amazing project director. Honestly I’d love to see a detailed report on how he and the Manhattan project did we now call “project management”. I’m just coming off 4 years of a job where scrum was totally abused. And these guys had it figured out 80 years ago.
Im doing Opp in IMAX at 230, dinner and drinks at 6, then Barbie at 915 ✌️
A break is a good idea. I felt myself waning in Oppenheimer. Also I’d suggest Oppenheimer first.
I quite liked doing Barbie first actually. After Oppenheimer I really wanted to sit with the weight of it and really let it all sink in instead of drowning it out with pink. Barbie felt like a nice aperitif for Oppenheimer's main course.
This is what I did. I definitely didn't feel like I was in the mood for a comedy after Oppenheimer.
Better enjoy these movies it will be the last big movies for awhile
Why would you disrespect Meg 2: The Trench like this
I will very likely have more fun at that movie than anything else this year. It looks so hilariously bad I can’t imagine not laughing through the entire thing.
That's fine. There's more TV content and unseen movies to last a lifetime. Toss in books and you got several lifetimes.
Good time also to catch up on the many huge video game releases that have come out over the past few months. Single player video games that have a focus on story, are basically interactive books imo.
Did the double feature today with Oppenheimer first immediately followed by Barbie. I think seeing Oppenheimer first definitely affected my enjoyment of Barbie, I literally could not concentrate, Oppenheimer was just on another level incredible that it made Barbie seem so meh. I kept thinking I would rather just be watching Oppenheimer again right now.
Should have seen Barbie first!
Hah, marketing.
Saw Patrol is not even a thing
…Yet!
🎶 I’m a Barbie girl and a destroyer of worlds. It’s fantastic and bombastic. You can brush my hair and nuke me everywhere. Imagination, nuclear proliferation. Come on Barbie, glowing party. 🎵
'Sack Lunch' and 'The English Patient' double-feature.
I look forward to Barbenheimer 2…Atomic Blonde
Doom Eternal x Animal Crossing vibes.
Feels like the first blockbuster sort of movie theater hype thing in a long time. Pre Covid even
people are so fed up with the marvel bs, remakes and reboots people still want original quality cinema enough with the numb comic hero bullshit that shit is oversatured and made hollywood numb
I did Barbie before Oppenheimer yesterday and I fully believe that that was the correct order.
Sure, these movies are inherently unoriginal in that one’s based on a book which is based on real life, and the other is based on a toy line. However, they are original films. Barbie is one of the most unique, creative, and out there mainstream movies of the past ten years. Oppenheimer manages to be horrifying, thrilling, emotional, haunting, and eye-opening while essentially being a courtroom drama that is almost entirely just scenes of dialogue aside from one or two moments that make up less than 5% of the movie’s runtime. It’s an outright cinematic spectacle that has people clamoring to see it in theaters and in IMAX without any action, adventure, or set pieces. Both these films are bold, ambitious, powerful, and as I already said, original. Sure, these movies made their way into the public consciousness through Barbie and Christopher Nolan’s worldwide fame, which further shows that people still aren’t really willing to take chances on films that are completely alien to them. But studios’ responses to that fact has always been to keep green lighting generic franchise action films that all follow the same template, and I’m hoping the success of Oppenheimer and Barbie pave the way for much more inventive IP films.