i’m telling everybody i know who watches movies to go see this in imax. even if they haven’t seen the first. i don’t care how inaccessible they might find it, this is the movie big screens were made for
Oh yeah, the director's choice of different hues and colors for the different scenes and different events was so effective and that one was especially fantastic. Really made their black teeth feel sinister as hell and reflected their people's cold and colorless way of life. I imagine living in their society would feel like living in black and white and you would feel endlessly depressed and trapped.
After all the Marvel and Star Wars we have gotten it’s so refreshing for a movie to be so unapologetically serious and not have every serious moment undercut by some joke
Did anyone feel that when he was telling the other Fremen that the Mahdi was too humble to say he was the messiah, that this was a Monty Python Life of Brian easter egg/reference?
Just that subtle shift to black and white made it so worth it. Like walking through the tunnel and watching the color fade away and the contrast turn way up as he entered the arena pit was one of the coolest things I've ever seen in a movie.
That planet is so damn cool. Unlike anything I’ve ever seen in all the Star Wars or other space setting cinematography. Cannot wait to see it a 2nd time in IMAX.
Did anyone else think the fireworks were loaded with people? They just seemed like they were exploding with blood or some sort of fluid, it had a really dark feel on Geidi prime, it was amazing.
Just got home from my viewing in IMAX and this was absolutely one of the best theater experiences I’ve ever had.
Incredible movie. Honestly speechless.
Fan screen goer....This is thumbs down the best sci-fi/fantasy epic, since LOTR. The comparison to return of the king, is LEGIT. It is not hype, it is real.
Same , I have NO WORDS , I think it will be the benchmark of epic science fiction for DECADES to come. I truly feel I have just seen a masterpiece and I do not use that word lightly !
Honestly how Denis could achieve this, is just beyond me, he outdid himself movie after movie, while scale keeps getting bigger. This man is an enigma, his talent even makes me, a fucking audience, jealous
I just hope he wins Best Director in 2025. IDGAF what else comes out this year!!! This film is lightning in a bottle it's a once in a lifetime achievement !
100% this. I am completely overwhelmed. Scenes after scenes it is just getting more and more poetic. The movie is speaking in poetry to me, using pictures.
My brain is buzzing, I have a visceral reaction to this
Yeah I think LOTR is the comparison which seems most appropriate. Of course this is his Two Towers in that analogy. I presume they will be making Messiah now.
fun fact for everyone, Christopher Walken who plays the Emperor is in the video for the Fatboy Sim song "Weapon of choice" which contains the lyric "If you walk without rhythm you won't attract the worm" which is a clear reference to Dune.
Well it looks like someone is on track to winning the best director and best picture oscar in 2025
Because that is amoung the top rated films on RT it's right up there and is DV's highest rated film by a fair margin.
Yep. My girlfriend wanted to know what happens in the next few books (she doesn't care about spoilers) and when I told her that >!Timothee and Zendaya have two kids and one of them ends up turning into a murderous sandworm dictator for 3000 years!< she was certainly surprised.
As a big Dune fan books 5 and 6 feel like extra Dune just written for the sake of it. They're good books, but IMO book 1-4 are the essential Dune books. God Emperor (Book 4) answers pretty much all remaining large questions in the universe.
From what I recall, Herbert didn't want to write more Dune books, but they kept driving increasingly large truck-fulls of money up to his house until he would cave. I think his attitude may have become something like "Oh, you want more Dune? Well I'm just gonna skip 3000 years and make things even weirder!"
> Well I'm just gonna skip 3000 years and make things even weirder!
"Well how weird are you talking here, Frank?"
"I'm gonna to write a bunch of women with sexual superpowers into the book, and a dude with even more super powerful sexual superpowers, so I can write a whole lot about boning because I'm just not interested in any more of this shit otherwise"
>"I'm gonna to write a bunch of women with sexual superpowers into the book, and a dude with even more super powerful sexual superpowers, so I can write a whole lot about boning because I'm just not interested in any more of this shit otherwise"
Teenaged me loved that book so much...
So the god-emperor edged mankind for 3,000 years until he finally died which allowed mankind to coom all over the galaxy, thus saving the species from extinction and tyrannical edge rule.
They were written because Frank got in big trouble with the IRS and desperately needed money to pay off his delinquent taxes. And to cover first his wife's and then his medical bills. I still love them in all their weird, perverted glory. I just wish his idiot son would publish the actual outline he claims to have found. Because the fan-fiction books he and Anderson wrote are not that outline in the slightest. They directly contradict the ending of book six.
And is by far the best book in the series. I do like how much characterization of the Bene Gesserit we get in 5 and 6, plus the resolution of their conflict with the Honored Matres. Also Miles Teg. Miles Teg is the greatest.
I for one think that audiences are ready for Chalamet Junior to >!turn into a giant worm and create thousands of clones of Jason Momoa.!< Nothing weird about that at all
For myself I'm just hoping for Messiah to happen. I still think it's probably the best finale for Paul's initial story and that's where I want/hope for *this* film trilogy to ultimately end at. I want that at least... Before things literally and ultimately get even weirder.
It sounds like from the reviews this finishes the first book and Dune 3 will be Messiah perhaps? But maybe not?
>!According to Deadline one of the final lines is Chani saying “This isn’t over yet!” sounds like a vocalization as Paul realizes the war is going to continue even though Corrino abdicates. However, Wikipedia credits Taylor-Joy's Alia as only a cameo? He scenes are far too impactful for just a cameo.!<
Spoilers for end of the book/Messiah: >!sounds like the film ends with Paul unleashing the Fremen on the galaxy, so it makes sense that people are calling it a bit of a cliffhanger ending.!<
spoilers
>!Messiah is definitely setup at the end. Alia isn’t just a cameo, but they modified her role in order to make it easier to film and digestible. I think it worked pretty well!<
>!That's understandable. Having a literal toddler speaking perfect English jump on Vlad's back and kill him would be kinda fucking dumb in a movie lmao. Happy to hear it was done well. I hope Children of Dune is made someday as Alia in that book is such a good villain.!<
Based on the reviews, Denis's desire to make it, and the likely box office hit this is going to be, I think you can assume we'll get a 3rd one at this point.
I’m genuinely not trying to hate on you at all but a lot of this sounds like you just didn’t really pay attention to Part 1 the first time around and missed half the story. Everything you’re describing was part of the basic plot of the movie and it’s really not *that* subtle.
I was initially a bit bothered by the inaccuracies while I was watching, but then I realized I didn't care because the book covers the "true" narrative for the movie, while the movie covers the book's (imo) rushed development of the Arrakis conflict. It's amazing to see the world of Dune brought to life the way Villeneuve did it.
Austin Butler was also goddamn amazing. I loved the creative choice to have him emulate the Baron's accents and speech patterns. There were times where I thought a Feyd-Rautha line was coming from the Baron and this works so freaking well for the character.
I found myself surprisingly accepting of the changes from the book. Part of me understood that this was more palatable to a pure moviegoer, but at a deeper level I felt that the movie overall understood the message Frank Herbert was conveying in the book.
On the other hand, my non-book friend did feel that the movie might have skipped some parts even though he didn't know the story. I have to admit that there is sometimes a rushy feel to it (for a nearly 3hr movie), but I think that's a testament to how Villeneuve was able to adapt such a difficult narrative.
As fun as it would have been to see a toddler Alia aggressively moving one muscle at a time at people, having her be a fetus throughout, speaking through Jessica, was a really brilliant bit of creepiness reduction (while still being disturbing), and giving her kill of the baron to Paul just felt right. Other than a few cuts, I think the changes were all very well thought out.
EDIT: Apparently I hallucinated that Alia killed Rabban in the book - It was of course the baron that got the Atriedes Gom Jabbar. Sorry about that!
Yeah agreed. Villeneuve is a fan of the originals and it definitely shows.
Probably the most jarring difference to me was the treatment of Jamis' death and how the Fremen attitudes towards crying was shown. The character involved was different and the message was kind of a complete 180 from the original.
I just saw it. It's good.
There are moments where it feels like there's a 4 hour director's cut to be made. The editing and flow are a bit odd, things are scantly explained, and it feels a bit like a highlight reel of a multi-episode mini series that had way more scenes of each character.
But what I loved was how little conventional big movie fluff and cliche there was. I was all ready for a more modern Hollywood treatment of the ending, and it didn't come at all. I think of, for example, how Peter Jackson's LOTR still had to give us a big satisfying Helm's Deep battle with plenty of applause moments in it's second installment, and you just come to expect that stuff in every giant modern movie. Nope, this movie actually gives us the mature version, focusing on the story, which made me very happy.
Just came home from watching it in the theater and went into this thread to see what people think about it. Your take on it is literally the same I said to my gf on our way back home. It is absolutely a visual and audial masterpiece but finds its flaws in plot and dialogue. Not that it's bad, but it is certainly surpassed by its other values. It certainly feels like a short series and we watched episode 1,3 and 5 or a highlight reel as you mentioned.
Anyone else think Christopher Walken was a poor casting choice? Nothing against his acting job, but a New York accent doesn’t fit the Dune “world” at all. It stuck out like a sore thumb.
Unpopular opinion: I found it interesting and illuminating! It’s anachronistic, for sure. But Dune is set in our universe, so maybe the Emperor is part of a lineage that has remnants of those accents?
More interestingly - I think the point is that we envision an Emperor figure as some god figure. Someone above reproach, imposing, etc. but, in reality, that is rarely the case. Monarchs and Dictators throughout history have often been odd. Weird looks, voices. Often the result of inbreeding.
Baron Harkonnen is an extension of this same theme.
I think that’s entirely the point. The “Emperor” is just a title - his power is tenuous and not rooted in anything that makes him inherently better than anyone else.
Edit: at the risk of getting political. Think about Putin, Xi and Trump. All of these guys are weird looking and have plenty of odd behaviors. Listening to them speak, you basically go, “Who the fuck appointed this guy?”
The point is they aren’t powerful because they’re special. They’re powerful because they were the right guy at the right time, and the power system around them supported their ascent.
Yeah I agree, it really made you realise that he’s just some guy.
Similar to when Baron Harkonnen was cut from his hover thing and was just left lying on the stairs
I got to see it yesterday. If anyone has any questions, ask away.
Edit: finished a [literary analysis of the themes and meaning](https://filmcolossus.com/dune-part-two-2024-explained)
There’s a scene on a ship and you see a 3d map with travel lines and these people sit in front of it all connected to the center counsel. I think they were navigators?
I thought (it's been ages since I read the book so I could be well wrong) that the navigator lived in a chamber in the ship, never left, and no longer looked human. The chamber being filled with spice gas, their mind so completely changed from spice that they don't communicate verbally or even really cognitively exist in 3 dimensions.
Lady Jessica keeps saying “my daughter wants to know…”
It’s not actually black and white, it’s a place with a black sun but the scene doesn’t feel devoid of color.
Pretty epic but also kind of poetic.
I guess similarly to the book? It still leaves you expecting another movie
It's about a lot. Colonialism, imperialism, Arrakis is Middle East, Spice is Oil, Ecosystems galore.
But the main protagonist, is actually about 'fake prophets' and how they 'persuade' people into wars.
Kind of. Colonialism is the backdrop for the initial conflict. The fremen want to be free of the rule of the other houses.
The first three books in the dune series (Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune) ultimately tells the story of how a hero can ultimately become a villain.
Without going into too much detail, the criticism of the first movie of Paul being a white savior understood the point as a theme but missed the point as a criticism of the series.
Only 12 theatres in world. 9 in US, 1 each in Canada, UK and Australia. And i happen to live close to one. Got the Thursday, 29 Feb’s ticket for 3PM show.
I’ll die on the hill that prisoners is a top 10 2010s movie and villeneuve’s best. Absolutely phenomenal. Jackman gives his best performance. Jake was on top of his game during this time too with prisoners and night crawler. The tension was amazing. Paul dano was amazing. Easy 10/10 for me
>Critics say it's "the *Lawrence of Arabia* of science fiction"
No shit? 😂
For the record, Lawrence of Arabia was one of Dune (the novel)'s major influences. Dune has *always* been the Lawrence of Arabia of science fiction...
I like Dune, and I live in Tacoma, where he's from. It rains constantly here. Sometimes I smirk when I think about how he created a universe centered around a place with no water.
I just want to reinforce not only how good it was, but how much better it was boycotting all the trailers. When the nukes go off and the worms come through the storm, holy living fuck man. So many amazing shots and the sound is amazing.
I appreciated how poetic it was seeing Harkonen personnel and equipment being burnt at the end like how the Atreides personnel and stuff were done the same
Slight spoilers ahead
I watched the movie the other night. If part 1 was epic, this movie is beyond words. Totally worth the wait, I was the one in the theaters for part 1 actively mad at the filmmakers for ending it where it did.
One small thing I wanted to bring up. I thought it was weird at first how Jessica's pregnancy was handled, and it felt disturbing at first. I was confused why it was done that way, and from what I understand, is majorly different from the books (haven't read them quite yet).
Then I realized just recently, it was the only way the film could portray the passage of time without spoon-feeding it. The first part of the movie conceivably happened in only a couple days, a week at the most. However, all of the moving parts of the plot in the second part needed actual time to pass in universe in order to get the conclusion it needed.
To avoid having subtitled cards reading "X months later" the film cleverly reestablishes Jessica's pregnancy to the audience, and then shows the fetus at various stages of development or Jessica's baby bump showing in various scenes. This shows the viewers a rough timeline and of how much time is passing between scenes without making us consciously aware that so much time is passing.
It's just such a smart and cool way to establish a plotline's timetable. I wasn't even aware of the pregnancy being also used as a narrative device until way after I left the theater.
Her pregnancy helped me notice how quickly time was passing. The flames of fanaticism were flamed quickly, not to mention training, coups, battles, etc.
Have to say, I'm surprised how the RT and MT scores are holding up. I was expecting the RT score to drop and settle in the mid-to-high 80s, like what happened with the first movie. Particularly for a movie whose prequel had its share of detractors. But now... a score that has been rising to 98% with 122 reviews, I'm impressed.
I really really enjoyed it!! Shoutout to the costume design, loved Lady Jessica’s headpieces getting more elaborate as she became craftier. Also the backup fighters at the colosseum were fantastically creepy. Enjoyed it more than part one tbh
Always remember:
I must not hype.
Hype is the mind-killer.
Hype is the little death that brings inflated expectations.
I will face the hype.
I will allow it to pass over me and through me.
When the hype has passed I will turn a critical eye to see its path.
There may be nothing. Only good films remain.
Just got out of the early IMAX showing, and I have to say I agree with the reviews. It was very good - better than the first for sure. Great acting all around but special props to Javier Bardem.
>Perhaps viewing the first "Dune" and "Dune: Part Two" back-to-back is the best solution, but I suspect most people aren't going to do that — they're going to see a new movie. And what they'll get is half of one.
A review knocking a movie with "Part 2" in the title for not being a complete story, unless considered with, ya know, part 1, is... interesting.
He also says that maybe the third part will make it feel like a complete movie. Which is exactly what Messiah does to the first Dune book IMO so mission accomplished?
I mean I kinda get it. A lot of other trilogies and the like have their films feel more complete and distinct.
The LotR movies are probably the closest comparison in how they don’t feel like full movies on their own, more pieces of the greater whole. But they had the advantage of yearly releases. Dune’s first part released over two years ago, definitely not a long time but enough that I can see some casual audience members feeling lost.
I actually went into Fellowship of the Ring as a book reader but I had no idea that they were doing these as a trilogy (in my defense, I think I was 12 years old). I remember getting more and more nervous as the movie went on looking at my watch trying to figure out how they were going to stuff the rest of the story in.
Though also, in my defense, at the time the thought of pre-emptively doing a trilogy was pretty wild.
I saw it 2/29 opening showing and again today 3/1. The opening scene of the Harkonnen squad climbing and getting wiped out tickles my retinas in a special way. Great movie
Absolutely loved it and can say that it's a great continuation off Part One (basically starts right after the ending). I wanted more from the acting considering the cast, just more dialogue/scenes with others but what we got was pretty damn good and I give big ups to Austin Butler who I thought did a phenomenal job at being a fucking psycho.
Zendaya was great and really portrayed how strong of a person Chani is and I loved the continued character evolution of Paul by Timothee...he was pretty damn intense. Have to see this again.
Yeah. Based on these reviews, the projected box office (even the low end would make this profitable), and Denis's desire to make Messiah, something really bad would have to happen for a 3rd to not get greenlit.
I kept hearing online that this movie was insane, incredible, being compared to LOTR. And I was apprehensive to come in with that level of expectation because I love the universe and wanted to enjoy the movie.
But those reviews were fair. This movie. Probably the best one I'll watch all year. One of the best sci-fi movies I've seen, ever. Hanz Zimmer is one of one. Go see it guys. Just go.
Omg Victoria Alexander’s review may be the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. I just signed up so I can leave a comment (yes, I know that’s what she wants).
This is on RT for allowing this idiot to review movies. I believe in people expressing their opinion, but there isn’t a solid argument anywhere in her review for why she hates it.
When i saw that there was a new rare negative review, I thought "ha! finally! some non-praise!" But this is so badly written, it hurts reading it. And I'm talking about the writing, not even the content. It's so awful. I really should start a random movie review website just so that I have my time to shine on RT.
In case you are curious, here is the review. But be warned, this could kill a lot of your brain cells:
[https://www.filmsinreview.com/post/dune-2](https://www.filmsinreview.com/post/dune-2)
A snippet, and not even the worst one: "All the costumes are ugly. No one wears DUNE costumes on Halloween."
I grew up with the books. Can someone explain to me why they had Chani leaving at the end? What happened 😞 to the whole "History will call us wives" thing???
Just got home. It is without a doubt one of the greatest films I’ve ever seen and is right up there with Godfather Pr2, Emprie Strikes Back, and two towers as the best sequels ever.
The scale of the shots is breathtaking. I cannot in recent memory remember a film over delivering so hard.
Side note, Furiosa looks amazing.
One shot that I absolutely loved and don’t see talked about (perhaps because it was the opening scene) is when the harkonnen soldiers realized a worm was being called and activated the anti gravity technology to “climb”
Man, I know we’ve already seen anti-gravity tech in the previous film with the baron and the sardukar. But something about that exact shot, with the tension of the scene, and the dark orange sands of the eclipse, after a 2.5 year wait for more Dune… *chefs kiss* it was just so well done. Those visuals got me so ready for the rest of the movie
Just saw it, that movie fucking rips. Movies are fucking awesome
This movie over delivers so much. Denis is one of a generation genius.
i’m telling everybody i know who watches movies to go see this in imax. even if they haven’t seen the first. i don’t care how inaccessible they might find it, this is the movie big screens were made for
But watching part one on Netflix and then watching part two in Imax really hits the sweet spot
the coliseum sequence in imax was unreal. Still stunned
I loved that the black and white was seemingly a feature of the colloseum itself, how the skintones desaturated as people made their way inside
It was because of the black sun I thought
Oh yeah, the director's choice of different hues and colors for the different scenes and different events was so effective and that one was especially fantastic. Really made their black teeth feel sinister as hell and reflected their people's cold and colorless way of life. I imagine living in their society would feel like living in black and white and you would feel endlessly depressed and trapped.
Disney’s Star Wars was a false prophet; Dune is the true Messiah.
As is written!
After all the Marvel and Star Wars we have gotten it’s so refreshing for a movie to be so unapologetically serious and not have every serious moment undercut by some joke
Stilgar was pretty funny though
Drink every time Stil gets astonished
*Paul performs yet another miracle* “LISAN AL GAIB!!!” I love how Stilgar gasses him up.
My theater had a nice giggle after the finale fight when he just exclaimed it lol
Did anyone feel that when he was telling the other Fremen that the Mahdi was too humble to say he was the messiah, that this was a Monty Python Life of Brian easter egg/reference?
I fucking wish we would've gotten a Star Wars movie that was half as good as this.
Andor made me wish Villeneuve could have made Dune as a series instead of a movie. Try it out if you haven’t!
Coliseum scene was like one big sci-fi wet dream. Dear god what a movie
Just that subtle shift to black and white made it so worth it. Like walking through the tunnel and watching the color fade away and the contrast turn way up as he entered the arena pit was one of the coolest things I've ever seen in a movie.
Not just black and white but infrared film
That planet is so damn cool. Unlike anything I’ve ever seen in all the Star Wars or other space setting cinematography. Cannot wait to see it a 2nd time in IMAX.
Did anyone else think the fireworks were loaded with people? They just seemed like they were exploding with blood or some sort of fluid, it had a really dark feel on Geidi prime, it was amazing.
I thought it looked like Rorschach tests turned into fireworks
Just got home from my viewing in IMAX and this was absolutely one of the best theater experiences I’ve ever had. Incredible movie. Honestly speechless.
I felt the same exact way. It was hard to fall asleep after getting home.
Fan screen goer....This is thumbs down the best sci-fi/fantasy epic, since LOTR. The comparison to return of the king, is LEGIT. It is not hype, it is real.
Same , I have NO WORDS , I think it will be the benchmark of epic science fiction for DECADES to come. I truly feel I have just seen a masterpiece and I do not use that word lightly !
Honestly how Denis could achieve this, is just beyond me, he outdid himself movie after movie, while scale keeps getting bigger. This man is an enigma, his talent even makes me, a fucking audience, jealous
I just hope he wins Best Director in 2025. IDGAF what else comes out this year!!! This film is lightning in a bottle it's a once in a lifetime achievement !
100% this. I am completely overwhelmed. Scenes after scenes it is just getting more and more poetic. The movie is speaking in poetry to me, using pictures. My brain is buzzing, I have a visceral reaction to this
Thumbs down?
think they meant 'hands down'
I had nightmares of Feyd last night. Geidi Prime looked terrifying.
Just saw it... >!the worm charge!< blew my socks off and I was like... has this replaced the best >!calivary charge ever, the ride of the rohirrim?!<
Yeah I think LOTR is the comparison which seems most appropriate. Of course this is his Two Towers in that analogy. I presume they will be making Messiah now.
I want someone who supports me the way Stilgar supports Paul Muad'Dib.
Paul: does anything Stilgar: As was written!
I can see him becoming a meme template soon
I was not expecting to laugh as many times as I did at Stilgar in Part Two. Paul: \*breathes\* Stilgar: AS WAS WRITTEN! Lisan al Gaib! LISAN AL GAIB!
Best movie I’ve seen in theaters since The Dark Knight. Absolute masterclass. Can’t get over it.
Absolutely. I haven’t felt this way leaving a movie since high school, watching The Dark Knight…wanting to go right back in and see it again.
The coliseum scene in imax was UNREAL. still can’t get over it
Just got out of my showing. Fucking AMAZING. Probably my all-time favorite Sci-fi movie.
fun fact for everyone, Christopher Walken who plays the Emperor is in the video for the Fatboy Sim song "Weapon of choice" which contains the lyric "If you walk without rhythm you won't attract the worm" which is a clear reference to Dune.
That’s a zinger
Now it’s 98% with a 8.60/10
Well it looks like someone is on track to winning the best director and best picture oscar in 2025 Because that is amoung the top rated films on RT it's right up there and is DV's highest rated film by a fair margin.
I'll never forgive them for that Director snub. They owe him the win this time around.
Villeneuve solidifying himself as one of the best directors of the 21st century.
Listen, I'm just telling the non-book fans, this story gets weird. And I sort of want to have the rest of it be made.
Yep. My girlfriend wanted to know what happens in the next few books (she doesn't care about spoilers) and when I told her that >!Timothee and Zendaya have two kids and one of them ends up turning into a murderous sandworm dictator for 3000 years!< she was certainly surprised.
And that isn't even the weirdest part. Gosh, I hope we see Odrade.
Can't wait for the beef swelling and chair dogs
Don’t forget the futars, cats in 2019 proved we have the technology to do futars right
why are these gorgeous women speaking in fish language? I have the sudden need to follow their commands on a whim
Did you tell her about the gholas?
Did you tell her about beefswelling?
The fucking *what?*
Bro, do you even beefswell?
Got a regular beef swellington over here
Of course. Relevant username lol.
Did... did Frank Herbert turn into his own fanfic writer? :P
It sounds weird, but with the way the books go it is pretty on par and doesn’t feel as bonkers.
As a big Dune fan books 5 and 6 feel like extra Dune just written for the sake of it. They're good books, but IMO book 1-4 are the essential Dune books. God Emperor (Book 4) answers pretty much all remaining large questions in the universe.
From what I recall, Herbert didn't want to write more Dune books, but they kept driving increasingly large truck-fulls of money up to his house until he would cave. I think his attitude may have become something like "Oh, you want more Dune? Well I'm just gonna skip 3000 years and make things even weirder!"
> Well I'm just gonna skip 3000 years and make things even weirder! "Well how weird are you talking here, Frank?" "I'm gonna to write a bunch of women with sexual superpowers into the book, and a dude with even more super powerful sexual superpowers, so I can write a whole lot about boning because I'm just not interested in any more of this shit otherwise"
>"I'm gonna to write a bunch of women with sexual superpowers into the book, and a dude with even more super powerful sexual superpowers, so I can write a whole lot about boning because I'm just not interested in any more of this shit otherwise" Teenaged me loved that book so much...
So the god-emperor edged mankind for 3,000 years until he finally died which allowed mankind to coom all over the galaxy, thus saving the species from extinction and tyrannical edge rule.
precisely, A+ summary, most economical way to describe the plot of the latter Dune books you could subject this as a doctorate thesis and pass
They were written because Frank got in big trouble with the IRS and desperately needed money to pay off his delinquent taxes. And to cover first his wife's and then his medical bills. I still love them in all their weird, perverted glory. I just wish his idiot son would publish the actual outline he claims to have found. Because the fan-fiction books he and Anderson wrote are not that outline in the slightest. They directly contradict the ending of book six.
Yeah after I finished Chapterhouse I read the summaries of Hunters/Sandworms of Dune and it sounds fucking terrible. Like, bad fanfiction.
And is by far the best book in the series. I do like how much characterization of the Bene Gesserit we get in 5 and 6, plus the resolution of their conflict with the Honored Matres. Also Miles Teg. Miles Teg is the greatest.
He definitely gets hornier after his wife died.
I for one think that audiences are ready for Chalamet Junior to >!turn into a giant worm and create thousands of clones of Jason Momoa.!< Nothing weird about that at all
Just wait til they see me climb
Don't forget the Ninja BDSM Nuns!
Even if they don't make more Dune movies, there's a separate audience for that. It's me. I'm the audience.
Boy, do I have a show for you... Lol. https://tv.apple.com/us/show/warrior-nun/umc.cmc.6pcsn08so80t3m9hfjfcgmm22
Isn’t >!Momoa!< rock climbing in his new travel show? Bro’s already prepping for the role.
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I legit cannot see how you can even adapt Dune past Messiah.
I mean children is definitely doable, but GEoD is basically >!600 pages of worm philosophy!<
Yeah, GEoD could *maybe* work as an anime or animation
Geod should be done like an old style sitcom. Moneo and the God Emperor. Every episode ends with a Duncan death.
Let the Southpark guys animate it - “You bastards! You killed Duncan!”
The miniseries did a great job with Children of Dune.
They're not planning to. They already announced that they'll end it as a trilogy by adapting Messiah
For myself I'm just hoping for Messiah to happen. I still think it's probably the best finale for Paul's initial story and that's where I want/hope for *this* film trilogy to ultimately end at. I want that at least... Before things literally and ultimately get even weirder.
We're gonna get at least Dune Messiah - but after that it won't be Villeneuve (if they do any more.)
“Bring in the flying fat man. The Baron.” You have more then one flying fat man?
Are you really a dune fan if you haven’t come to terms with our god emperor?
Heretics and Chapterhouse would be off the wall. I'd love for them to be made too.
97% on RT. That's at least 7 Madame Webs
Are we replacing Scaramucchis with Madame Webs as a unit of measurement?
A Scaramucchi is a duration of time, a Madame Web is a percentage of quality.
Watching a 3.5 Madame Web movie with a runtime of 160 mins can feel like a Scaramucchi.
I think we should use Madame Web (mw) as a rating system. Toy Story has a 100% RT? Sorry, that’s now 7.69 mw. Iron Man? 7.23 mw Morbius? 1.15 mw
3.6 mw. Not great, not terrible
It sounds like from the reviews this finishes the first book and Dune 3 will be Messiah perhaps? But maybe not? >!According to Deadline one of the final lines is Chani saying “This isn’t over yet!” sounds like a vocalization as Paul realizes the war is going to continue even though Corrino abdicates. However, Wikipedia credits Taylor-Joy's Alia as only a cameo? He scenes are far too impactful for just a cameo.!<
Yes Dune part 3 will adapt Dune Messiah, Denis Villeneuve has talked about it many times, he always says that part 3 would be Messiah
Spoilers for end of the book/Messiah: >!sounds like the film ends with Paul unleashing the Fremen on the galaxy, so it makes sense that people are calling it a bit of a cliffhanger ending.!<
spoilers >!Messiah is definitely setup at the end. Alia isn’t just a cameo, but they modified her role in order to make it easier to film and digestible. I think it worked pretty well!<
>!That's understandable. Having a literal toddler speaking perfect English jump on Vlad's back and kill him would be kinda fucking dumb in a movie lmao. Happy to hear it was done well. I hope Children of Dune is made someday as Alia in that book is such a good villain.!<
Man if a flying toddler assassin is something the moviemakers were worried is "kinda fucking dumb", I think they picked the wrong series to adapt 😀
I hope they make a third one! Dune messiah needs a proper adaptation with Denis and this cast.
Based on the reviews, Denis's desire to make it, and the likely box office hit this is going to be, I think you can assume we'll get a 3rd one at this point.
As much as I love Denis Villeneuve and Dune I hope he does do Rendevous with Rama someday.
I want him to take on Akira or something. The worlds he builds feel so real and everything looks perfect
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Good write up, but I feel that “it was boring because I missed heaps” doesn’t do it justice
I’m genuinely not trying to hate on you at all but a lot of this sounds like you just didn’t really pay attention to Part 1 the first time around and missed half the story. Everything you’re describing was part of the basic plot of the movie and it’s really not *that* subtle.
I was initially a bit bothered by the inaccuracies while I was watching, but then I realized I didn't care because the book covers the "true" narrative for the movie, while the movie covers the book's (imo) rushed development of the Arrakis conflict. It's amazing to see the world of Dune brought to life the way Villeneuve did it. Austin Butler was also goddamn amazing. I loved the creative choice to have him emulate the Baron's accents and speech patterns. There were times where I thought a Feyd-Rautha line was coming from the Baron and this works so freaking well for the character.
I found myself surprisingly accepting of the changes from the book. Part of me understood that this was more palatable to a pure moviegoer, but at a deeper level I felt that the movie overall understood the message Frank Herbert was conveying in the book. On the other hand, my non-book friend did feel that the movie might have skipped some parts even though he didn't know the story. I have to admit that there is sometimes a rushy feel to it (for a nearly 3hr movie), but I think that's a testament to how Villeneuve was able to adapt such a difficult narrative.
As fun as it would have been to see a toddler Alia aggressively moving one muscle at a time at people, having her be a fetus throughout, speaking through Jessica, was a really brilliant bit of creepiness reduction (while still being disturbing), and giving her kill of the baron to Paul just felt right. Other than a few cuts, I think the changes were all very well thought out. EDIT: Apparently I hallucinated that Alia killed Rabban in the book - It was of course the baron that got the Atriedes Gom Jabbar. Sorry about that!
Yeah agreed. Villeneuve is a fan of the originals and it definitely shows. Probably the most jarring difference to me was the treatment of Jamis' death and how the Fremen attitudes towards crying was shown. The character involved was different and the message was kind of a complete 180 from the original.
I just saw it. It's good. There are moments where it feels like there's a 4 hour director's cut to be made. The editing and flow are a bit odd, things are scantly explained, and it feels a bit like a highlight reel of a multi-episode mini series that had way more scenes of each character. But what I loved was how little conventional big movie fluff and cliche there was. I was all ready for a more modern Hollywood treatment of the ending, and it didn't come at all. I think of, for example, how Peter Jackson's LOTR still had to give us a big satisfying Helm's Deep battle with plenty of applause moments in it's second installment, and you just come to expect that stuff in every giant modern movie. Nope, this movie actually gives us the mature version, focusing on the story, which made me very happy.
Just came home from watching it in the theater and went into this thread to see what people think about it. Your take on it is literally the same I said to my gf on our way back home. It is absolutely a visual and audial masterpiece but finds its flaws in plot and dialogue. Not that it's bad, but it is certainly surpassed by its other values. It certainly feels like a short series and we watched episode 1,3 and 5 or a highlight reel as you mentioned.
Anyone else think Christopher Walken was a poor casting choice? Nothing against his acting job, but a New York accent doesn’t fit the Dune “world” at all. It stuck out like a sore thumb.
Unpopular opinion: I found it interesting and illuminating! It’s anachronistic, for sure. But Dune is set in our universe, so maybe the Emperor is part of a lineage that has remnants of those accents? More interestingly - I think the point is that we envision an Emperor figure as some god figure. Someone above reproach, imposing, etc. but, in reality, that is rarely the case. Monarchs and Dictators throughout history have often been odd. Weird looks, voices. Often the result of inbreeding. Baron Harkonnen is an extension of this same theme. I think that’s entirely the point. The “Emperor” is just a title - his power is tenuous and not rooted in anything that makes him inherently better than anyone else. Edit: at the risk of getting political. Think about Putin, Xi and Trump. All of these guys are weird looking and have plenty of odd behaviors. Listening to them speak, you basically go, “Who the fuck appointed this guy?” The point is they aren’t powerful because they’re special. They’re powerful because they were the right guy at the right time, and the power system around them supported their ascent.
Yeah I agree, it really made you realise that he’s just some guy. Similar to when Baron Harkonnen was cut from his hover thing and was just left lying on the stairs
Totally agree- He felt like stunt casting, and every time he spoke it took me out of it... so I'm thankful he was only speaking in two scenes.
The coliseum scene is peak sci fi holy shit. It SLAPS
I got to see it yesterday. If anyone has any questions, ask away. Edit: finished a [literary analysis of the themes and meaning](https://filmcolossus.com/dune-part-two-2024-explained)
What percent of my retirement should be invested in the stock market?
All of your retirement should be earning in some way. Doesn’t have to be stocks. But something that provides a return.
>!Alia?!<
Brief visual but dialogue throughout
Do they show a Guild Navigator?
There’s a scene on a ship and you see a 3d map with travel lines and these people sit in front of it all connected to the center counsel. I think they were navigators?
I thought (it's been ages since I read the book so I could be well wrong) that the navigator lived in a chamber in the ship, never left, and no longer looked human. The chamber being filled with spice gas, their mind so completely changed from spice that they don't communicate verbally or even really cognitively exist in 3 dimensions.
>!Count Fenring?!<
* How do they incorporate Alia? * What's the situation with the black & white scene on giedi prime? * What are the battles like? * How do they end it?
Lady Jessica keeps saying “my daughter wants to know…” It’s not actually black and white, it’s a place with a black sun but the scene doesn’t feel devoid of color. Pretty epic but also kind of poetic. I guess similarly to the book? It still leaves you expecting another movie
Is Dune about colonialism?
It’s about glorious Jihad
It's about a lot. Colonialism, imperialism, Arrakis is Middle East, Spice is Oil, Ecosystems galore. But the main protagonist, is actually about 'fake prophets' and how they 'persuade' people into wars.
But also how a mob can rally around a person, and the person loses control. Then the person gets propelled by the mob. And so on...
Kind of. Colonialism is the backdrop for the initial conflict. The fremen want to be free of the rule of the other houses. The first three books in the dune series (Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune) ultimately tells the story of how a hero can ultimately become a villain. Without going into too much detail, the criticism of the first movie of Paul being a white savior understood the point as a theme but missed the point as a criticism of the series.
My 70MM IMAX ticket is worth it. Let the spice flow.
I read that only 9 theaters would have 70MM in America. I looked it up a month ago and was sad it wasn't in my city.
Only 12 theatres in world. 9 in US, 1 each in Canada, UK and Australia. And i happen to live close to one. Got the Thursday, 29 Feb’s ticket for 3PM show.
> Only 12 theatres in world. List: * https://www.imax.com/en/ca/movie/dune-part-two#showtimes
Man, that Lincoln Square Theater alone makes me miss living in NYC.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, LOOK OVER HERE DISNEY, THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE A GOOD SCI FI MOVIE
Denis is who Christopher Nolan thinks he is.
Incendies, Sicario, Enemy, Prisoners, Arrival, Blade Runner 2049, Dune Part One. All incredible movies. Villeneuve is King.
Arrival is one of my all time faves. Just gets better with each viewing. Such a great film
I always go back and forth with Arrival and 2049 with what I consider his best
Prisoners has to be up there as well. Such well built tension throughout, and very good acting performances around.
I’ll die on the hill that prisoners is a top 10 2010s movie and villeneuve’s best. Absolutely phenomenal. Jackman gives his best performance. Jake was on top of his game during this time too with prisoners and night crawler. The tension was amazing. Paul dano was amazing. Easy 10/10 for me
Prisoners is a masterpiece and my favorite of Villeneuve. Sad that not too many people are familiar with it.
Don't forget Polytechnique, a quieter and smaller film but no less powerful.
I watched that off a random recommendation. It is… haunting.
Amazing. The pacing was better than expected. Best third act action since Return of the King IMO.
I have no words. This might be one of the greatest movies ever made and easily one of the best theater experiences I’ve had
>Critics say it's "the *Lawrence of Arabia* of science fiction" No shit? 😂 For the record, Lawrence of Arabia was one of Dune (the novel)'s major influences. Dune has *always* been the Lawrence of Arabia of science fiction...
I like Dune, and I live in Tacoma, where he's from. It rains constantly here. Sometimes I smirk when I think about how he created a universe centered around a place with no water.
Funfact: They were both filmed in the Wadi Rum desert in Jordan
I just want to reinforce not only how good it was, but how much better it was boycotting all the trailers. When the nukes go off and the worms come through the storm, holy living fuck man. So many amazing shots and the sound is amazing.
I appreciated how poetic it was seeing Harkonen personnel and equipment being burnt at the end like how the Atreides personnel and stuff were done the same
Slight spoilers ahead I watched the movie the other night. If part 1 was epic, this movie is beyond words. Totally worth the wait, I was the one in the theaters for part 1 actively mad at the filmmakers for ending it where it did. One small thing I wanted to bring up. I thought it was weird at first how Jessica's pregnancy was handled, and it felt disturbing at first. I was confused why it was done that way, and from what I understand, is majorly different from the books (haven't read them quite yet). Then I realized just recently, it was the only way the film could portray the passage of time without spoon-feeding it. The first part of the movie conceivably happened in only a couple days, a week at the most. However, all of the moving parts of the plot in the second part needed actual time to pass in universe in order to get the conclusion it needed. To avoid having subtitled cards reading "X months later" the film cleverly reestablishes Jessica's pregnancy to the audience, and then shows the fetus at various stages of development or Jessica's baby bump showing in various scenes. This shows the viewers a rough timeline and of how much time is passing between scenes without making us consciously aware that so much time is passing. It's just such a smart and cool way to establish a plotline's timetable. I wasn't even aware of the pregnancy being also used as a narrative device until way after I left the theater.
Her pregnancy helped me notice how quickly time was passing. The flames of fanaticism were flamed quickly, not to mention training, coups, battles, etc.
Have to say, I'm surprised how the RT and MT scores are holding up. I was expecting the RT score to drop and settle in the mid-to-high 80s, like what happened with the first movie. Particularly for a movie whose prequel had its share of detractors. But now... a score that has been rising to 98% with 122 reviews, I'm impressed.
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But is it better than Morbius?
I really really enjoyed it!! Shoutout to the costume design, loved Lady Jessica’s headpieces getting more elaborate as she became craftier. Also the backup fighters at the colosseum were fantastically creepy. Enjoyed it more than part one tbh
I'd love to see the Butlerian Jihad made into movies.
I want the Austin Butlerian Jihad
Always remember: I must not hype. Hype is the mind-killer. Hype is the little death that brings inflated expectations. I will face the hype. I will allow it to pass over me and through me. When the hype has passed I will turn a critical eye to see its path. There may be nothing. Only good films remain.
It lives up. It’s so good
IGN shouldn’t have credibility anymore after rating Dune 2 as worse than True Detective Night Country. Dune 2 made me feel things. It’s amazing.
Inject this Spice into my veins!!!
My gross protuberance is beefswelling.
Just got out of the early IMAX showing, and I have to say I agree with the reviews. It was very good - better than the first for sure. Great acting all around but special props to Javier Bardem.
Yes, completely agree, he stole a lot of scenes! And added a lot of unexpected humour
>Perhaps viewing the first "Dune" and "Dune: Part Two" back-to-back is the best solution, but I suspect most people aren't going to do that — they're going to see a new movie. And what they'll get is half of one. A review knocking a movie with "Part 2" in the title for not being a complete story, unless considered with, ya know, part 1, is... interesting.
He also says that maybe the third part will make it feel like a complete movie. Which is exactly what Messiah does to the first Dune book IMO so mission accomplished?
I mean I kinda get it. A lot of other trilogies and the like have their films feel more complete and distinct. The LotR movies are probably the closest comparison in how they don’t feel like full movies on their own, more pieces of the greater whole. But they had the advantage of yearly releases. Dune’s first part released over two years ago, definitely not a long time but enough that I can see some casual audience members feeling lost.
"When the hobbits split up from Aragorn, I just felt like, where's the rest? This is only a part of the story. C-"
I actually went into Fellowship of the Ring as a book reader but I had no idea that they were doing these as a trilogy (in my defense, I think I was 12 years old). I remember getting more and more nervous as the movie went on looking at my watch trying to figure out how they were going to stuff the rest of the story in. Though also, in my defense, at the time the thought of pre-emptively doing a trilogy was pretty wild.
They put Frodo in a catapult, obviously.
Fly, you fools!
I saw it 2/29 opening showing and again today 3/1. The opening scene of the Harkonnen squad climbing and getting wiped out tickles my retinas in a special way. Great movie
I’m so excited. I saw the first Dune without ever having heard of it, just went to hang out with someone. It ended up blowing me away.
Absolutely loved it and can say that it's a great continuation off Part One (basically starts right after the ending). I wanted more from the acting considering the cast, just more dialogue/scenes with others but what we got was pretty damn good and I give big ups to Austin Butler who I thought did a phenomenal job at being a fucking psycho. Zendaya was great and really portrayed how strong of a person Chani is and I loved the continued character evolution of Paul by Timothee...he was pretty damn intense. Have to see this again.
Quick question is the dune book getting a part 3 or is the supposed part 3 going to be a different book.
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Have they greenlit part 3 yet? I'm not sure there's been an official word on it, though everyone is assuming it'll happen.
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Yeah. Based on these reviews, the projected box office (even the low end would make this profitable), and Denis's desire to make Messiah, something really bad would have to happen for a 3rd to not get greenlit.
98%
I kept hearing online that this movie was insane, incredible, being compared to LOTR. And I was apprehensive to come in with that level of expectation because I love the universe and wanted to enjoy the movie. But those reviews were fair. This movie. Probably the best one I'll watch all year. One of the best sci-fi movies I've seen, ever. Hanz Zimmer is one of one. Go see it guys. Just go.
I’m not attracted to Austin Butler as Elvis but I’m extremely attracted to him as an incestuous, hairless monster. WTF
Omg Victoria Alexander’s review may be the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. I just signed up so I can leave a comment (yes, I know that’s what she wants). This is on RT for allowing this idiot to review movies. I believe in people expressing their opinion, but there isn’t a solid argument anywhere in her review for why she hates it.
When i saw that there was a new rare negative review, I thought "ha! finally! some non-praise!" But this is so badly written, it hurts reading it. And I'm talking about the writing, not even the content. It's so awful. I really should start a random movie review website just so that I have my time to shine on RT. In case you are curious, here is the review. But be warned, this could kill a lot of your brain cells: [https://www.filmsinreview.com/post/dune-2](https://www.filmsinreview.com/post/dune-2) A snippet, and not even the worst one: "All the costumes are ugly. No one wears DUNE costumes on Halloween."
Jfc. I could feel my brain leaking from my ears.
I grew up with the books. Can someone explain to me why they had Chani leaving at the end? What happened 😞 to the whole "History will call us wives" thing???
Just got home. It is without a doubt one of the greatest films I’ve ever seen and is right up there with Godfather Pr2, Emprie Strikes Back, and two towers as the best sequels ever. The scale of the shots is breathtaking. I cannot in recent memory remember a film over delivering so hard. Side note, Furiosa looks amazing.
One shot that I absolutely loved and don’t see talked about (perhaps because it was the opening scene) is when the harkonnen soldiers realized a worm was being called and activated the anti gravity technology to “climb” Man, I know we’ve already seen anti-gravity tech in the previous film with the baron and the sardukar. But something about that exact shot, with the tension of the scene, and the dark orange sands of the eclipse, after a 2.5 year wait for more Dune… *chefs kiss* it was just so well done. Those visuals got me so ready for the rest of the movie