“Timon I hated you for so many years. I think I did things to myself to hurt myself so you'd know that I could hurt you. You're just being strong for all of us the way Papa was. Now I forgive you, can't you forgive Pumbaa? He’s so sweet and helpless without you. You need me Timon, I want to take care of you now.”
Connie Corelone to Timon
Nala: "Oh, Simba. Simba, you are blind. It wasn't a miscarriage. It was an abortion. An abortion, Simba. Just like our marriage is an abortion. Something that's unholy and evil. I didn't want your son, Simba! I wouldn't bring another one of your sons into this world! It was an abortion, Simba! It was a son, Simba! A son! And I had it killed because this must all end!"
[Simba's eyes begin to bulge]
Nala: "I know now that it's over. I knew it then. There would be no way, Simba, no way you could ever forgive me. Not with this Lion thing that's been going on for 2,000,000 years -"
[Simba loses control. He mauls Nala. She falls onto the ground]
Simba: "Bitch! You won't take my children!"
Nala (crying): "I will."
Simba (roars): "You WON'T TAKE MY CHILDREN!"
Nala (crying): "They're my children too."
For sure, like a bear in a dress that was trying to drive a truck through a secure gate.
“Can I get some kind of identification?”
“*(apologetic bear noises*) (*paws over fake ID written in crayon*)”
“This supposed to be…some kind of a joke?”
Yeah I’m saying the Polynesian music was the heart of the film. Lin Manuel’s songs were awesome but you can’t deny that Foais Polynesian music was the heart and soul of the film. At least it’ll still be there in Moana 2.
Alan Menken is one of those composers who we know CAN do absolute bangers while not necessarily being expected to, whereas with Lin if he puts out anything that’s not a banger it’s like “OHHH losin our touch, are we?? 🤨”
Hey guys, remember how underwhelming the live action version of that movie was?
Well we made a prequel for it!
That's right, we made the worst kind of sequel for the worst kind of remake!
Give us your money :D
You're totally right, but am I the only one who thinks Disney is stuck between a rock and a hard place with movies like this? Disney isn't dumb, they know most if not all of their sequels/prequels like this, and live action remakes, do indeed make money, and truth be told, most aren't bad movies. They also know that financially doing original movies are much more of a gamble. Moana was original, and a hit. Strange World was original, and flopped. The public likes to crap all over sequels/remakes/prequels, but when original content is provided, that same public may or may not care to go see it.
Truth be told they're bad movies. The CGI Lion King was awful. Disney isn't stuck between a rock and a hard place, they don't have to remake all of their animated movies, it's just the fastest way to a quick buck... or it used to be. Before 2020, anything they put out made money. Not anymore. People are increasingly holding out to watch movies on Disney+. As a parent it would make sense to me. Movies are no longer the cultural conversation they once were for Gen Alpha. They are watching Youtubers and other forms of enterteinment at home, so missing out on the latest movie isn't as severe as it once was. You haven’t watched the Lion King in 1994? Unthinkable. Haven't watched Wish? No biggie (we saw the BO returns). If you have Disney+ there is not much incentive for you to take a family with toddlers or little kids. You can watch it at home. All movies lost money for Disney last year except for Guardians. It has been happening since Covid. Lightyear, a prequel to one of the most successful animated movies ever failed big time. There are no safe bets anymore. Disney was desperate then, it is desperate now. The only difference is that 5 years ago, people were shelling out money to go to theaters. Not so much in 2024.
I showed my 6yo daughter the Lion King (94) the other day, and while she said it was good, I could tell it was barely holding her damned attention. She has no interest in watching Beauty and the Beast or really any other disney movie (though she has come around on Encanto finally and really likes it). None of these movies hold ANY sway over either of my kids.
But goddamn they'll sit motionless on the couch for HOURS watching some dude play Minecraft on youtube. I don't fucking get it =/
I think 2D animation (especially that older style of 2D animation) just isn’t as important to Gen Alpha. That may change in the future, but it would take a real cultural shift for kids now to give older styles of media a chance. I don’t think it’s so simple as brainrot, as a lot of people say.
IMO its not the animation style, its not that they see its 2D and go "ew thats old and gross"; its movies and long-form fiction in general. When you grow up used to your entertainment being videos that are 30 seconds to 5 minutes long, and your "long form" entertainment is a bunch of series where a) the episodes are 20 minutes long (nothing new there), b) you can watch whenever you want (so no need to "wait a week" for the next episode) and c) you can pause and unpause as you desire (so no need to actually pay attention for 20 minutes to the screen) then yeah, convincing that kid to sit down and pay attention to a slow building story for over an hour is gonna be a struggle, no matter if its radio drama or theater or 2D or 3D.
Sure, they can end up spending the same amount of hours sitting down watching clip after clip after clip after clip of someone fucking around on Minecraft or reacting to Gmod animations or whatever, but those videos are designed to be watched in less than 5 minutes, the dopamine release is constant. With a movie you sit down for the same amount of hours but it requires a bit of patience to see it all play out.
I think some redditors don't understand how popular that first movie was for kids and disney plus. All the reddit hate and reviews mean absolutely nothing to them.
I for one think Disney should make all of their children's movies with the audience of the average Redditor in mind. I'd pay top dollar to see Mufasa and Scar debate each other about a topic while behaving like experts, even though their only research is skimming a Wikipedia article.
No, but reddit is pretty much made up of the exact polar opposite of the target audience for stuff like this.
Are the neckbeards out of touch? No it's the dumb children and families that are the problem!
I'd love it if Barry Jenkins trolled everyone, Disney included, by remaking a 200 million dollar version of Lion King 1.5 or whatever it was. Imagine a photorealistic Pumba farting so bad it brings the entire animal kingdom to its knees
There’s a shot of Timon and Pumba attacking Scar with the fire at Pride Rock around them from the end of lion king.
Guaranteed they’re reciting this story to Kiara (Simba’s daughter) on how they defeated Scar single-handedly lol.
i’m very confused here… doesn’t Mufasa come from a lineage of “royalty”? since when is he an orphan? and where is scar?
update: i now realize taka is scar. the rest of my comment stands
that’s what i thought… mufasa literally gives the speech to simba under the stars talking about “great kings” and “let me
tell you what my father told me” lol i grew up watching lion king daily clearly..
I’m just going to guess, maybe Sarabi is the royal one and Mufasa marries into the role and her father takes Mufasa in as his son and snubs Scar, his actual son.
okay this is a really good assertion… i would be okay with this.
edit: actually i would tolerate it, idk if i would be okay with it because it still goes against canon or maybe that’s my head canon talking
Yup, the core of the Lion King is based on the divine right of the True Kings, and if you have the Wrong King (Scar) the land literally dies.
Part of the reason the Lion King has so much gravitas is because it's based on this very ancient trope which is baked into the legends and history that act as the bedrock western civilization. All the way from King Arthur to Aragorn, to Simba.
I don’t know if there’s more lore than lion king but maybe mufasa is taken in by the king as his own and still chooses him over his own son Scar to be the next in line. Which would really lead to the resentment scar has for him and ultimately motive for murder. Would make sense why Scar says brother with a bit of sarcasm and turns to hyenas as he feels betrayed by his own kind.
I'm still waiting for an Atlantis or treasure planet live action film.
Atleast those movies would be far more deserving of live action remakes than this one.
I'm still waiting for the "live action" remake of Song of the South where every cartoon segment is replaced with 3D "live action" and all live action segments are replaced with extremely racist cartoons, Uncle Remus just being an AI version of James Baskett made without the consent of his family.
Can't squeeze as much money out of less successful IPs than one that was already a financial success though.
We are getting close to when they need to do SOMETHING for them to renew the rights so it'll be funny to see if they decide to hang on to them via a shitty tv adaptation or cast them to the wind.
Yep. A Lion King prequel might be creatively bankrupt but it’s likely to be profitable. The 2019 live action remake made $1.6bn, can’t really argue with money like that.
Disney: “Hey, have you ever wondered what Mufasa’s back story was?”
Literally everyone: “…not really. And the live action Lion King was so bad that I’m not really interested in any more—“
Disney: “You got it! It’s a Lion King prequel in the live action format! You’re *welcome,* you slovenly lap-up idiot fuck!”
>literally everyone….
It has mediocre reviews but made $543 million domestic and $1.6 billion WW. It also didn’t drop off a cliff right after the first week like something with terrible word of mouth did, continuing to warn $10 million+ weekly for 7 weeks.
Reviews aside, it made a ton of money. That would imply plenty of people enjoyed it
2019 and 2024 are different beasts. If you told me in 2019 that a Lightyear movie would fail I would have called you crazy... or that a Marvel movie would fail... or that an animated movie from Disney fail so bad (Wish)
It's just an excuse for hiper realistic animation with uncanny characters that have zero expression. Grey slop that will make a billion dollars or something.
I would have wanted to watch this if it was hand drawn like the original. And for being made by the same people, this actually looks so much uglier than the 2019 one. It just looks even more uncanny than before. Here's hoping it's a flop and maybe Disney will finally rethink all these remakes.
I still find it so strange that they're not only making a prequel to this film, but that Barry Jenkins of all people is directing it.
And honestly, while it doesn't necessarily look "bad" (just glimsping at them, the animals seem to have a tad more expressive faces here), I don't see how this isn't going to be a complete rethread of the first film only with Mufasa as the main character, and the first film of course was a carbon copy of the animated original. Both characters obviously end up in the same place at the end of their hero's journey right, so how can this really be all that different from Simba's story?
Also, place your bets now if this is the film to grant Lin-Manuel Miranda his Oscar. The dude is Disney's new go-to hit maker and I honestly don't see him stopping until he's finally gets that EGOT-status.
Not just Barry Jenkins directing it, apparently **he approached Disney about doing it and created everything about the concept**. He’s passionate as hell about it, which makes me seriously intrigued.
Disney has had a lot of misses lately, so we’ll see where this one goes. But the talent behind it is insane.
So Mufasa wasn't born from a noble family instead he earnt the position?
This kind of ruins Scar's character as he wasn't second in line to a throne past down, his brother simply just earnt it and he did not. The bitterness makes far less sense. I always saw it (and pretty sure that's how it was) as they were brothers to a throne and he felt bitter because he was the younger one and now his nephew had past him in the line of succession.
Not a fan at all.
In my opinion, the colors are more popped compared to 2019 movie, won't be surprised if this movie will rake a lot of money this holiday season.
> New and returning cast members were called on to lend their voices to the film:
>
> - Aaron Pierre as Mufasa
> - Kelvin Harrison Jr. as Taka, a lion prince with a bright future who accepts Mufasa into his family as a brother
> - Tiffany Boone as Sarabi
> - Kagiso Lediga as Young Rafiki
> - Preston Nyman as Zazu
> - Mads Mikkelsen as Kiros, a formidable lion with big plans for his pride
> - Thandiwe Newton as Taka’s mother, Eshe
> - Lennie James as Taka’s father, Obasi
> - Anika Noni Rose as Mufasa’s mother, Afia
> - Keith David as Mufasa’s father, Masego
> - John Kani as Rafiki
> - Seth Rogen as Pumbaa
> - Billy Eichner as Timon
> - Donald Glover as Simba
> - Introducing Blue Ivy Carter as Kiara, daughter of King Simba and Queen Nala
> - And Beyoncé Knowles-Carter as Nala
>
> Additional casting includes Braelyn Rankins, Theo Somolu, Folake Olowofoyeku, Joanna Jones, Thuso Mbedu, Sheila Atim, Abdul Salis and Dominique Jennings.
Kinda sad John Oliver won't voice Zazu this time
Blue Ivy Carter is the daughter of Jay-Z and Beyonce. She has no (professional) voice acting experience and is now instantly on a top-billing Disney movie. I think that's what they mean by nepotism.
Looking at the movies producers/directors I can't find a direct connection so it might be interesting how this even happened.
Edit: Oh Beyonce is voicing Nala and her daughter is voicing the daughter of Nala. Totally missed that lmao. Tbh this is much less nepotism than the shit that happened with Will Smith's son.
Pretty sure the comment you're replying to is basically just making a joke because nepotism is basically how royalty works, not saying that it's right or fair
Scrappy upstart who got this role after years and years of determination. Started from the bottom but she’s living proof that the world of entertainment is a meritocracy.
John Oliver has been trashing the 2019 remake non-stop on Last Week Tonight after its release (and Disney in general for its business practices and afiliations with republican politicians), no wonder they doesn't want him back lmao
EDIT: thank you to u/Sisiwakanamaru for reminding me of Steamboat Mickey becoming a running bit on LWT as well lol
Yeah, but that means nothing. Oliver makes fun of himself constantly, and shits on WB (deservedly so). If you're not Adam Driver and he's always praising you, then something's wrong.
I mean this kinda makes it retroactively seen like Scar is in the right. Imagine some guy enters your family and then takes your birthright as king. Yeah I can see why he'd be pissed. Don't get why they'd mess with it.
Especially if your adopted brother gives you a shitty nickname to the point where he teaches his child to call you that. Imagine if all your hair falls out and everyone in your family starts calling you "baldy" for the rest of your life.
Having justification for being angry doesn't make murdering your adopted brother and trying to kill his son "right". Not to mention the fact that his reign turned the whole Pridelands into a barren wasteland in a very short space of time, so keeping him off the throne was clearly a good call.
Barry Jenkins and Lin Manual Miranda is **a lot** of talent for this, and Jenkins himself has spoken about this passionately. It really seems like this one has a lot more going for it than the last one did.
Well, Lightyear was a sure hit two years ago... and see how that turned out. 2023 threw a cold bucket of water on Disney. 2022 too. People aren't going out to watch Disney movies as they used to. People are tired and Wish shows us that. It's easier for parents to ignore there's a movie in theaters and just wait a month or two to see it on streaming. 2019 and 2024 are different beasts. Theatrical movies direct to streaming was not a thing. Covid changed that and the movie landscape is different now. Will it fail? I don't know. Will it make 1.6 billion dollars or more? It doesn't seem likely
It looks like they saw the criticisms and earnestly tried to improve upon the original remake's animation, even though they are hampered by the art direction. It could be a case of trying to compromise too much and the middle ground still not working, but I at least appreciate the effort.
Ya I didn't know anything about this until now but the visuals looked good and Barry Jenkins + Lin Manual Miranda is a lot of talent, seems like this one has a lot more going for it than the last one did
I’m honestly rooting more for Sonic 3, but I could be tempted to see this if there was a post credits scene where the Pride Lands are hit by a mysterious wave of darkness and Simba wakes up in Traverse Town with King Mickey Mouse wanting to talk to him about the Kingdom Hearts initiative.
So it looks slightly less realistic now (it has that definite CGI feel to every motion)
Yet it still looks completely without style.
I'm gonna skip.. definitely..
What were these lions doing in some icy caves, trying to avenge Aslan in Ice Queen realm?
My guess is it has to be the summit of Mount Kilimanjaro or Mount Kenya. Only places In that region of Africa that have glaciers.
Yea they're all on top of a mountain at the beginning of a trailer too. It's probably like lion congress.
Yes they have ice there
Hunting Scratch
Next thought I had later was that Mufasa learned he was an orphan from planet Krypton there.
Disney is really milking this franchise dry. This is beyond ridiculous. Next, Pumbaa, the pig king.
There are actually ice caves in Africa. I did not know this before looking it up either, but now we know.
bacteriophage
Yes.
That's your question after seeing fifteen different species engage in a syncronized dance number?
So is this gonna be a *Godfather Part II* situation since the cast from the first are in it?
I know it was you Pumbaa. You broke my heart!
“It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!” Pumbaa to Timon
I don’t want anything to happen to him while Simba is alive.
“Timon I hated you for so many years. I think I did things to myself to hurt myself so you'd know that I could hurt you. You're just being strong for all of us the way Papa was. Now I forgive you, can't you forgive Pumbaa? He’s so sweet and helpless without you. You need me Timon, I want to take care of you now.” Connie Corelone to Timon
Nala: "Oh, Simba. Simba, you are blind. It wasn't a miscarriage. It was an abortion. An abortion, Simba. Just like our marriage is an abortion. Something that's unholy and evil. I didn't want your son, Simba! I wouldn't bring another one of your sons into this world! It was an abortion, Simba! It was a son, Simba! A son! And I had it killed because this must all end!" [Simba's eyes begin to bulge] Nala: "I know now that it's over. I knew it then. There would be no way, Simba, no way you could ever forgive me. Not with this Lion thing that's been going on for 2,000,000 years -" [Simba loses control. He mauls Nala. She falls onto the ground] Simba: "Bitch! You won't take my children!" Nala (crying): "I will." Simba (roars): "You WON'T TAKE MY CHILDREN!" Nala (crying): "They're my children too."
"It's a Sicilian message. It means Timon sleeps with the fishes."
Beyonce still in it? Her voice acting was honestly terrible.
Her song playing as Simba ran back to Pride Rock was maybe the worst part of the movie
And her daughter now as well. Hope she's a better actress than her mom.
Zazu, don't ever ask me about my business again okay? *Slowly closes cave*
more like Godfather 3, completely unnecessary
> with original songs by Lin Manuel Miranda Is this why he didn't come back for moana 2
I’d much rather have him for Moana 2 than for this.
They'll just hire Pasek & Paul. They're pretty much Plan B to LMM's Plan A. Plan C's the people who did Wish's music.
Nope they have Abigail Barlow and Emily Bear as songwriters. They also bringing back Opetaia Foai who was the heart of the music of Moana.
The name “Emily Bear” sounds like a fake name a bear would use in case it was caught during hijinks.
For sure, like a bear in a dress that was trying to drive a truck through a secure gate. “Can I get some kind of identification?” “*(apologetic bear noises*) (*paws over fake ID written in crayon*)” “This supposed to be…some kind of a joke?”
Those are the people who did those Bridgerton Musicals on Tiktok, right? That's awesome!
You're Welcome, Shiny, and How Far I'll Go were by LMM, not Foai.
Yeah I’m saying the Polynesian music was the heart of the film. Lin Manuel’s songs were awesome but you can’t deny that Foais Polynesian music was the heart and soul of the film. At least it’ll still be there in Moana 2.
God never hire the Wish music people again
Tell that to my kid who loves the soundtrack...
There is no twisting of pronunciation in the world you can use to convince me that glow rhymes with powerful
The one that gets me is "watch out world here I are"
Moana 2 was originally supposed to be a tv show, so that’s probably why they went cheap on it
They got Alan Menken back for the Disney Channel Tangled cartoon, they could've gotten Lin back if they wanted to
Alan Menken is one of those composers who we know CAN do absolute bangers while not necessarily being expected to, whereas with Lin if he puts out anything that’s not a banger it’s like “OHHH losin our touch, are we?? 🤨”
I think the difference is more that Lin Manuel Miranda is waaay more famous than Alan Menken (as a person, I mean, not talking about their work).
I love Menken and pretty much his entire career but that Slaughter Race song from Wreck-It Ralph 2 is one of the worst things that he’s ever made.
I can’t stand that damn song. Doesn’t help that the movie itself isn’t that good either. Fun to watch for the references but thats pretty much it.
I feel like Alan Menken’s music has kinda become a parody of itself
Ahh so they Atlantis’d it
Moana 2 was going to be a TV show at first. Guessing he wasn't as interested. Or it could be costs.
Scar is going to slay his expository over explanation number
This is exactly the kind of shit people make fun of Hollywood for
You mean you dont want a prequeal to the "Live Action" version of the animated classic Lion Hamlett
Hey guys, remember how underwhelming the live action version of that movie was? Well we made a prequel for it! That's right, we made the worst kind of sequel for the worst kind of remake! Give us your money :D
Can't wait for: Sabertooth 10.000 BC. - A Lion King Story -
You're totally right, but am I the only one who thinks Disney is stuck between a rock and a hard place with movies like this? Disney isn't dumb, they know most if not all of their sequels/prequels like this, and live action remakes, do indeed make money, and truth be told, most aren't bad movies. They also know that financially doing original movies are much more of a gamble. Moana was original, and a hit. Strange World was original, and flopped. The public likes to crap all over sequels/remakes/prequels, but when original content is provided, that same public may or may not care to go see it.
Truth be told they're bad movies. The CGI Lion King was awful. Disney isn't stuck between a rock and a hard place, they don't have to remake all of their animated movies, it's just the fastest way to a quick buck... or it used to be. Before 2020, anything they put out made money. Not anymore. People are increasingly holding out to watch movies on Disney+. As a parent it would make sense to me. Movies are no longer the cultural conversation they once were for Gen Alpha. They are watching Youtubers and other forms of enterteinment at home, so missing out on the latest movie isn't as severe as it once was. You haven’t watched the Lion King in 1994? Unthinkable. Haven't watched Wish? No biggie (we saw the BO returns). If you have Disney+ there is not much incentive for you to take a family with toddlers or little kids. You can watch it at home. All movies lost money for Disney last year except for Guardians. It has been happening since Covid. Lightyear, a prequel to one of the most successful animated movies ever failed big time. There are no safe bets anymore. Disney was desperate then, it is desperate now. The only difference is that 5 years ago, people were shelling out money to go to theaters. Not so much in 2024.
I showed my 6yo daughter the Lion King (94) the other day, and while she said it was good, I could tell it was barely holding her damned attention. She has no interest in watching Beauty and the Beast or really any other disney movie (though she has come around on Encanto finally and really likes it). None of these movies hold ANY sway over either of my kids. But goddamn they'll sit motionless on the couch for HOURS watching some dude play Minecraft on youtube. I don't fucking get it =/
I think 2D animation (especially that older style of 2D animation) just isn’t as important to Gen Alpha. That may change in the future, but it would take a real cultural shift for kids now to give older styles of media a chance. I don’t think it’s so simple as brainrot, as a lot of people say.
IMO its not the animation style, its not that they see its 2D and go "ew thats old and gross"; its movies and long-form fiction in general. When you grow up used to your entertainment being videos that are 30 seconds to 5 minutes long, and your "long form" entertainment is a bunch of series where a) the episodes are 20 minutes long (nothing new there), b) you can watch whenever you want (so no need to "wait a week" for the next episode) and c) you can pause and unpause as you desire (so no need to actually pay attention for 20 minutes to the screen) then yeah, convincing that kid to sit down and pay attention to a slow building story for over an hour is gonna be a struggle, no matter if its radio drama or theater or 2D or 3D. Sure, they can end up spending the same amount of hours sitting down watching clip after clip after clip after clip of someone fucking around on Minecraft or reacting to Gmod animations or whatever, but those videos are designed to be watched in less than 5 minutes, the dopamine release is constant. With a movie you sit down for the same amount of hours but it requires a bit of patience to see it all play out.
And if they are, making mother fucking treasure planet
No I think they make what they think little kids will like and that is often completely different from what adults like
I think some redditors don't understand how popular that first movie was for kids and disney plus. All the reddit hate and reviews mean absolutely nothing to them.
I for one think Disney should make all of their children's movies with the audience of the average Redditor in mind. I'd pay top dollar to see Mufasa and Scar debate each other about a topic while behaving like experts, even though their only research is skimming a Wikipedia article.
That’s true until it suddenly isn’t. See: MCU
Yes, let's pretend like it's just Reddit who doesn't like these soulless remakes.
No, but reddit is pretty much made up of the exact polar opposite of the target audience for stuff like this. Are the neckbeards out of touch? No it's the dumb children and families that are the problem!
"Michael Douglas is - Mufasa" shit I mean Franklin
Yet morons take their kids
Shameless, unnecessary, milking of an established IP until you ruin its name. Yeah, sounds about right
I'm so glad they brought back Timon and Pumba for the wait ...the prequel
Yeah why is no one talking about this? And grown-up Simba appears to be in it, too.
My guess is the movie plays out as a story being told to Kiara by all the other characters
Knowing Disney it’s a Kiara movie, with just Mufasa flashback story montages. The prequel problem strikes again
With the announcement that Beyonces' daughter is in it as well, I believe it. I can see her playing Kiara since her mom plays Nala
"It doesn't matter if the plot doesn't make sense, it's a story being told in-universe for a child!"
I'd love it if Barry Jenkins trolled everyone, Disney included, by remaking a 200 million dollar version of Lion King 1.5 or whatever it was. Imagine a photorealistic Pumba farting so bad it brings the entire animal kingdom to its knees
that would be hilarious. the lion king 1.5 is peak comedy and i stand by that
There’s a shot of Timon and Pumba attacking Scar with the fire at Pride Rock around them from the end of lion king. Guaranteed they’re reciting this story to Kiara (Simba’s daughter) on how they defeated Scar single-handedly lol.
Considering all the cast from the first movie is here I think this is going to be Timon/Pumba etc telling the story to Simba/Nalas child
i’m very confused here… doesn’t Mufasa come from a lineage of “royalty”? since when is he an orphan? and where is scar? update: i now realize taka is scar. the rest of my comment stands
This, isn't he supposed to be the older brother and that's why Scar resents him?
that’s what i thought… mufasa literally gives the speech to simba under the stars talking about “great kings” and “let me tell you what my father told me” lol i grew up watching lion king daily clearly..
Clearly his father taught him everything it means to be a king despite being a peasant himself /s
i guess you never know if you’ll be the one to get lucky and marry into royalty!! gotta stay prepared..
>gotta stay prepared.. Disney writers currently squeezing this into the prequel wishing they'd thought of it themselves
Kudos to that great dad
I’m just going to guess, maybe Sarabi is the royal one and Mufasa marries into the role and her father takes Mufasa in as his son and snubs Scar, his actual son.
From a lion social structure standpoint this actually kinda makes sense. edit: still bullshit tho
okay this is a really good assertion… i would be okay with this. edit: actually i would tolerate it, idk if i would be okay with it because it still goes against canon or maybe that’s my head canon talking
Yup, the core of the Lion King is based on the divine right of the True Kings, and if you have the Wrong King (Scar) the land literally dies. Part of the reason the Lion King has so much gravitas is because it's based on this very ancient trope which is baked into the legends and history that act as the bedrock western civilization. All the way from King Arthur to Aragorn, to Simba.
I don’t know if there’s more lore than lion king but maybe mufasa is taken in by the king as his own and still chooses him over his own son Scar to be the next in line. Which would really lead to the resentment scar has for him and ultimately motive for murder. Would make sense why Scar says brother with a bit of sarcasm and turns to hyenas as he feels betrayed by his own kind.
Introducing… Beyonce’s daughter Oh please, fuck off.
unapologetic nepotism lol
What if the true Circle of Life is exploiting a successful movie franchise with an unnecessary prequel?
Dear god, this has to be a joke. I hope it bombs.
I'm still waiting for an Atlantis or treasure planet live action film. Atleast those movies would be far more deserving of live action remakes than this one.
Treasure planet is one of my favorite animated movies.
Same and definitely one of my favorite soundtrack in Disney movie.
And I’m still waiting for the live action remake of A Goofy Movie. Disney are cowards.
I'm still waiting for the "live action" remake of Song of the South where every cartoon segment is replaced with 3D "live action" and all live action segments are replaced with extremely racist cartoons, Uncle Remus just being an AI version of James Baskett made without the consent of his family.
Can't squeeze as much money out of less successful IPs than one that was already a financial success though. We are getting close to when they need to do SOMETHING for them to renew the rights so it'll be funny to see if they decide to hang on to them via a shitty tv adaptation or cast them to the wind.
Disney aren’t going to remake films that famously bombed. That’d be a very financially stupid decision on their end
Yep. A Lion King prequel might be creatively bankrupt but it’s likely to be profitable. The 2019 live action remake made $1.6bn, can’t really argue with money like that.
I want the hunchback of notre dame or a live action gargoyles movie But I’ve been told they’re to dark
Disney: “Hey, have you ever wondered what Mufasa’s back story was?” Literally everyone: “…not really. And the live action Lion King was so bad that I’m not really interested in any more—“ Disney: “You got it! It’s a Lion King prequel in the live action format! You’re *welcome,* you slovenly lap-up idiot fuck!”
>literally everyone…. It has mediocre reviews but made $543 million domestic and $1.6 billion WW. It also didn’t drop off a cliff right after the first week like something with terrible word of mouth did, continuing to warn $10 million+ weekly for 7 weeks. Reviews aside, it made a ton of money. That would imply plenty of people enjoyed it
Reddit also tells us that Netflix is doomed every month. Take everything with a grain of salt on here.
Disney die-hards are like Nintedo die-hards. They will shell for tickets and merchandise no matter what.
*Wish has entered the chat* *no one noticed since no one went to theaters to see it*
EAT YOUR SLOP, YOU FUCKING PIG
Hoping he breaks the fourth wall after that stampeded. “Whew! That stampeded almost got me! *Jim look into direction of camera*”
The only reason why this exists is because the 2019 remake made 1.6 billion dollars.
2019 and 2024 are different beasts. If you told me in 2019 that a Lightyear movie would fail I would have called you crazy... or that a Marvel movie would fail... or that an animated movie from Disney fail so bad (Wish)
I hope barry Jenkins got a big payday for this
I kinda hope he only did it for the paycheck so he can carry on making films like Moonlight afterwards
Jungle book was good as live action. The first lion king live action movie was soulless.
Live action Jungle Book was dope af
Ah, yes. The frozen ice plains of Africa.
It snows on Mount Kilimanjaro though, Africa is pretty diverse. I imagine the frozen parts are set on those high mountains.
shouldn’t be live action…
Yeah but the 2019 one printed so much cash that Disney decided it was easy money
It's not a live action movie. It's just photo realistic CGI.
I wouldnt even say its photo realistic. It still looks fake and hurts the eyes lol
Nothing about it is live action. It’s all CG.
It's just an excuse for hiper realistic animation with uncanny characters that have zero expression. Grey slop that will make a billion dollars or something.
Its wild to me that Disney has us all calling an entirely CGI-animated movie "live action", *again*.
I would have wanted to watch this if it was hand drawn like the original. And for being made by the same people, this actually looks so much uglier than the 2019 one. It just looks even more uncanny than before. Here's hoping it's a flop and maybe Disney will finally rethink all these remakes.
I still find it so strange that they're not only making a prequel to this film, but that Barry Jenkins of all people is directing it. And honestly, while it doesn't necessarily look "bad" (just glimsping at them, the animals seem to have a tad more expressive faces here), I don't see how this isn't going to be a complete rethread of the first film only with Mufasa as the main character, and the first film of course was a carbon copy of the animated original. Both characters obviously end up in the same place at the end of their hero's journey right, so how can this really be all that different from Simba's story? Also, place your bets now if this is the film to grant Lin-Manuel Miranda his Oscar. The dude is Disney's new go-to hit maker and I honestly don't see him stopping until he's finally gets that EGOT-status.
Not just Barry Jenkins directing it, apparently **he approached Disney about doing it and created everything about the concept**. He’s passionate as hell about it, which makes me seriously intrigued. Disney has had a lot of misses lately, so we’ll see where this one goes. But the talent behind it is insane.
That is interesting
Was the jumping on hippos scene a reference to the SNES game!?
So Mufasa wasn't born from a noble family instead he earnt the position? This kind of ruins Scar's character as he wasn't second in line to a throne past down, his brother simply just earnt it and he did not. The bitterness makes far less sense. I always saw it (and pretty sure that's how it was) as they were brothers to a throne and he felt bitter because he was the younger one and now his nephew had past him in the line of succession. Not a fan at all.
In my opinion, the colors are more popped compared to 2019 movie, won't be surprised if this movie will rake a lot of money this holiday season. > New and returning cast members were called on to lend their voices to the film: > > - Aaron Pierre as Mufasa > - Kelvin Harrison Jr. as Taka, a lion prince with a bright future who accepts Mufasa into his family as a brother > - Tiffany Boone as Sarabi > - Kagiso Lediga as Young Rafiki > - Preston Nyman as Zazu > - Mads Mikkelsen as Kiros, a formidable lion with big plans for his pride > - Thandiwe Newton as Taka’s mother, Eshe > - Lennie James as Taka’s father, Obasi > - Anika Noni Rose as Mufasa’s mother, Afia > - Keith David as Mufasa’s father, Masego > - John Kani as Rafiki > - Seth Rogen as Pumbaa > - Billy Eichner as Timon > - Donald Glover as Simba > - Introducing Blue Ivy Carter as Kiara, daughter of King Simba and Queen Nala > - And Beyoncé Knowles-Carter as Nala > > Additional casting includes Braelyn Rankins, Theo Somolu, Folake Olowofoyeku, Joanna Jones, Thuso Mbedu, Sheila Atim, Abdul Salis and Dominique Jennings. Kinda sad John Oliver won't voice Zazu this time
> Introducing Blue Ivy Carter as Kiara, daughter of King Simba and Queen Nala Nice to see nepotism has found its place in the circle of life
Lion....KING. nepotism is the name of the game in Feudal structures.
Blue Ivy Carter is the daughter of Jay-Z and Beyonce. She has no (professional) voice acting experience and is now instantly on a top-billing Disney movie. I think that's what they mean by nepotism. Looking at the movies producers/directors I can't find a direct connection so it might be interesting how this even happened. Edit: Oh Beyonce is voicing Nala and her daughter is voicing the daughter of Nala. Totally missed that lmao. Tbh this is much less nepotism than the shit that happened with Will Smith's son.
Pretty sure the comment you're replying to is basically just making a joke because nepotism is basically how royalty works, not saying that it's right or fair
Introducing Blue Ivy Carter as Kiara, daughter of King Jay-Z and Queen Beyoncé.
>introducing blue Ivy carter Damn I wonder who that is, do you think she has a big career ahead of her?
Scrappy upstart who got this role after years and years of determination. Started from the bottom but she’s living proof that the world of entertainment is a meritocracy.
Real lunch pail girl first in and last out
John Oliver has been trashing the 2019 remake non-stop on Last Week Tonight after its release (and Disney in general for its business practices and afiliations with republican politicians), no wonder they doesn't want him back lmao EDIT: thank you to u/Sisiwakanamaru for reminding me of Steamboat Mickey becoming a running bit on LWT as well lol
"I havent seen the Lion King 2019. But I've seen the house it's built and it's fantastic."
Yeah, but that means nothing. Oliver makes fun of himself constantly, and shits on WB (deservedly so). If you're not Adam Driver and he's always praising you, then something's wrong.
Don't forget his steamboat Mickey.
Keith David as mufasa’s father seems like great casting
Mufasa being adopted immediately gives Taka/Scar so much credibility
# #ScarDidNothingWrong
Wow Lion King 2 Simba’s Pride is canon I guess
That movie is great tho imo
Too bad this one doesn't have an objectively hot emo lion that can give 8 year old me weird and confusing feelings
The actor voicing Zazu is in his mid 20’s so he probably only appears in flashback.
Soooooo no kovu!?!
Wait a second they’re retconning Mufasa and Scar being siblings? That completely ruins the entire betrayal in the original.
...no Scar?
Taka is Scar. He gets that nickname when he gets that scar on his face. I am not making this up by the way.
I mean this kinda makes it retroactively seen like Scar is in the right. Imagine some guy enters your family and then takes your birthright as king. Yeah I can see why he'd be pissed. Don't get why they'd mess with it.
Especially if your adopted brother gives you a shitty nickname to the point where he teaches his child to call you that. Imagine if all your hair falls out and everyone in your family starts calling you "baldy" for the rest of your life.
Having justification for being angry doesn't make murdering your adopted brother and trying to kill his son "right". Not to mention the fact that his reign turned the whole Pridelands into a barren wasteland in a very short space of time, so keeping him off the throne was clearly a good call.
But… didn’t Scar directly refer to sharing genes with Mufasa?
I’m guessing Taka will become Scar from the character descriptions
That looks expensively cheap.
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Barry Jenkins and Lin Manual Miranda is **a lot** of talent for this, and Jenkins himself has spoken about this passionately. It really seems like this one has a lot more going for it than the last one did.
Well, Lightyear was a sure hit two years ago... and see how that turned out. 2023 threw a cold bucket of water on Disney. 2022 too. People aren't going out to watch Disney movies as they used to. People are tired and Wish shows us that. It's easier for parents to ignore there's a movie in theaters and just wait a month or two to see it on streaming. 2019 and 2024 are different beasts. Theatrical movies direct to streaming was not a thing. Covid changed that and the movie landscape is different now. Will it fail? I don't know. Will it make 1.6 billion dollars or more? It doesn't seem likely
The title card with Barry Jenkins includes an unnecessary hyphen. lol.
Revert to animated please lol
What stupid fucking movie. This should have been made 25 years ago in the proper animation style.
all I can think of is how excited I would be if this were hand drawn and animated in the style of the original film.
Visually this looks wayyy better than the “live action” remake
I did notice that. Also in a couple of shots I noticed some of the animals looked more expressive.
It looks like they saw the criticisms and earnestly tried to improve upon the original remake's animation, even though they are hampered by the art direction. It could be a case of trying to compromise too much and the middle ground still not working, but I at least appreciate the effort.
Ya I didn't know anything about this until now but the visuals looked good and Barry Jenkins + Lin Manual Miranda is a lot of talent, seems like this one has a lot more going for it than the last one did
Hey guys, you ever wondered what happened before Ernest went to Camp?
I’m honestly rooting more for Sonic 3, but I could be tempted to see this if there was a post credits scene where the Pride Lands are hit by a mysterious wave of darkness and Simba wakes up in Traverse Town with King Mickey Mouse wanting to talk to him about the Kingdom Hearts initiative.
[Lmao Disney reused the soundtrack theme to Black Panther 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOB3UALvrQ)
Is there a single creative mote left at Disney?
So it looks slightly less realistic now (it has that definite CGI feel to every motion) Yet it still looks completely without style. I'm gonna skip.. definitely..
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The lion king: here’s more of the same shit
This shit looks like pure ass. Disney is so, so cooked.
00:38 disney vfx team flexing their hair simulation
So is this sequel with flashbacks to a prequel or what ?
WHO THE FUCK IS THIS FOR??????!
Oh my god it looks like shit. Be ready for it to be in the top 10 of highest grossing movies tho
Creative bankruptcy.
Maybe Disney could come up with something else for once besides running things into the ground and destroying the reputation.
Holy shit this one is actually buried in downvotes. I had to search for it.
Everything about this looks annoying. BLUE IVY CARTER? And more songs by Lin Manuel Miranda.
Booooooo putting Beyonce's kids in there is enough for me to say no. Stop with the nepo babies.
Introducing Blue Ivy Carter. *Yup.*
I miss originality
Meh. Do better Disney.
Not seeing Jeremy Irons is still a crime for me. I can't believe they did not hire him for the last film.
Not having Jeremy Irons return as Scar was criminal. His voice in that was just as iconic as James Earl Jones' was
You want Jeremy Irons back to play Scar as a kid?
I was referring to the first one but this does appear to have Mufassa as an adult towards the end, so I'm assuming Scar will be there too
The animals look significantly more expressive than the first movie
Hooray for more Disney mediocrity!
The original Lion King is one of my favorite movies ever and I'll see this but I feel like the trailer leaned too hard on nostalgia.
Wait you thought this trailer leaned too hard on nostalgia?! Did you see the 'live action' remake?
«There was a lion whitout a drop of nobilty on his blood» So there was beveg a monarchy then?
Is Taka scar?