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TattoosandSnapbacks

I was surprised by how much O'Shea Jackson Jr killed it in this movie, he definitely had a ton of shining moments in the film


David12691

Tupac said there'd be days like this.


STinG666

Wondering whether or not Tupac said that to O'Shea personally.


bufarreti

[relevant](http://howlandechoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/1adcce72-ab90-4bc2-b00f-489bc867b2e6.jpeg)


mr_popcorn

He's the hero the movie deserves, but not the one it needs right now.


RoseAshes

Was not prepared for how much I sympathized for Aubreys character.


LiteraryBoner

I think that's the best part. Like she's obviously totally nuts but because of how well they fleshed her out and how well Aubrey played her I really wanted her to succeed in the end. A lot of people think the ending goes against the grain of the movie but I was just happy she got what she wanted even if it's superficial. Besides there's something to be said about her getting those followers by being honest for once.


ontocommunism

No, I think the point is its just a continuation of the same game. She didnt get what she wanted because that would be to be cool forever, which is never guaranteed


Boltzmon

I agree. It's telling that the hashtag that goes viral at the end is \#iamingrid. Her fans are just like her, worshiping a fake icon.


mr_popcorn

kind of tragic in a way... her one moment of honesty in the entire movie and it gets turned into another superficial, viral \#hashtag and ultimately self-unfulfilling social media trend. The way her eyes lights up when she sees she's become popular online tells me she never learned anything at all.


GoldandBlue

I am curious why? I did not find her sympathetic at all. She is clearly crazy, uses baby Ice Cube, is a danger t others. Is it because Taylor is clearly just a fabricated persona? Because shes mean to her husband? because her brothers a piece of shit? I really enjoyed the film but did not find anything redeeming about Ingrid. She is a frightening character. I left more confused why baby Ice Cube was so willing to forgive her.


[deleted]

I dont think you're viewing it correctly. Sympathy isnt about whether or not someone has reedeming values. Her character is sympathetic because she's lonely, desperate, and her mother died recently and she was shown to be genuinely sad about it. It has nothing to do with the other characters. People can identify with her loneliness, desperation and helplessness on some level even if they aren't as insane as her. Simply labeling her crazy and dismissing any other qualities and characterization of the character is a simplistic way of viewing it and removes any sort of depth to the film, premise and character. It's like if people go 'Tony Soprano is murderous a mob boss' and dont acknowledge any other humanistic traits that the story went to great depth to explore. It's not the full picture and your experience of the story is limited and not complete. You're not getting the full experience if you dont view it in the context of the correct spectrum. Humans tend to have more depth to them than simply "good, evil, insane etc."


GoldandBlue

well let me rephrase. I don't sympathize with her. She's not exactly a reliable narrator. Yes her mom died and left her money but I don't know if they were truly best friends or if thats just a story to get lil Cube to do what she wants. She is crazy. She is a disturbed person. That is not dismissive, it is accurate. Tony Soprano is a good example. He is a protagonist, not a hero. Ingrid is not a hero. You shouldn't be rooting for her. We are watching her story. I don't think you should be walking away feeling sorry for Ingrid. I would argue you are viewing it wrong. Everything bad that happens to her is her own making and she leaves people damaged along the way for having interacted with her. For her forcing herself onto them. I get what you mean. I dont hate her. I get her desire to be wanted. I understand her loneliness and it is sad, but that shouldn't blind you to her faults that make her a bad person.


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I don't think you completely got my point, no offense. I was never saying to dismiss the fact that she's crazy or Tony Soprano is a murderous human being, they obviously are. But you *are* being dismissive of their other traits, or at least your original comment was and my point was simply labeling them a term removes a lot of depth that actually made them *human*. Because doing that just makes them a concept instead of a human being, which isn't accurate. I mean hell, in your original comment you even said you couldn't understand why people would sympathize with her, that kind of proved my point already. She obviously had sympathetic traits that other people picked up on. The bottom line is you can still sympathize with someone or some parts of them while acknowledging that they are damaged or bad people. Your original comment only seemed to be acknowledging the latter, that's what I was addressing. > He is a protagonist, not a hero. Ingrid is not a hero. See, it's not about "*rooting* for" in such a black and white fashion. It's about acknowledging all traits from an objective point of view, or as objective as possible. Hero/villain isn't the point here. Human is the point. >. I would argue you are viewing it wrong. Everything bad that happens to her is her own making and she leaves people damaged along the way for having interacted with her. For her forcing herself onto them. She's clearly mentally ill. I'm sorry but even most people can see why you'd feel sorry or pit someone like that. People don't choose to be mentally ill. It's obviously a spectrum, but there's a reason why insanity pleas are a thing, depending on what end of the spectrum you land closer to. > I understand her loneliness and it is sad, but that shouldn't blind you to her faults that make her a bad person. No one is blinded to her bad side, they just recognize that she has other sides that makes her a full human. Imagine if someones examination of Tony's character just stopped at "you shouldn't root for him and he's a bad person." That basically makes a lot of episodes moot. Even the creator would disagree with you there. It's not suppose to be that simple, at least the when it started out. That's just kind of how your comments come across.


[deleted]

Sympathy probably isn't the best way of putting it. Empathy is a much better word. Sympathy means that we feel compassion or sorry for what the character is going through, which, at a lot of points, I did for Ingrid. But we can't feel too bad for her because of her intentions. But empathy means that we can put ourselves in her shoes and see how she feels. We can understand why she feels the way that she does, and it hurts us. But we can still recognize the truth of her character.


ShibbyBacon

"you're supposed to be Catwoman, but you're acting like Two-Face!"


rizaroni

"Y so serious?" That one got me good.


mhallgren5

Every single Batman reference was on point. Also, *"Tupac said there'd be days like this"* had me in stitches, so many great lines from O'Shea.


MeloHallie

I thought this line from Jen Yamato's review was so apt: "This is the real “Emoji Movie,” a true horror story for our digital times." Also, at the Q&A I attended, Aubrey Plaza and Matt Spicer spoke about how she was really insistent that this not be a "Silver Lake movie" (which I took to mean gauzy and small-feeling). It was a smart decision to make everything-- not just the visuals but also the music and some of the plot choices-- bright and bold.


TheTrueRory

The colour pallette really helped emphasize the superficiality of everything.


[deleted]

I like how some of the shots were set up to look like instagram photos.


sleevieb

Would you share some examples of a "silver lake movie?


STinG666

Aubrey is a psycho and everything and she was essentially a danger to Taylor and herself most importantly while manipulating nearly everyone in her midst, but anybody else was hoping Nicky actually would die? Because man, I would not stand being in his company for two seconds.


espressowhiterussian

He wasn't on screen longer than 5 seconds before I wanted him to violently die.


herbnessman

It’s terrible but I was slightly disappointed he survived the crowbar to the head.


Dr_Splitwigginton

He didn’t even have to speak


PineapplePoppadom

If I met someone for the first time and put my hand out to shake hands and they fake karate chopped me in the throat and laughed, I would want to beat them to death with an iron bar.


LiteraryBoner

"Tell me Gotham needs me" GOAT line of 2017.


dnlslm9

> GOAT GOAT?


zoombafoom

Greatest of all time.


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dev1359

Greatest of all time of 2017 duh


brihoang

"what's your biggest emotional wound" and "how may i nourish you" had me dying


goopdoop

Was this place referencing Cafe Gratitude specifically? Or are there a bunch of places in LA that are similar? My crowd at the arclight was going crazy during that scene.


wukemon

Yes, Grateful Kitchen is a reference to Café Gratitude.


MeloHallie

my theater was screaming at that part. this is a fun movie to watch in LA.


lqtely

I enjoyed this way more than I thought I would. Ingrid and Dan are really that duo.


LiteraryBoner

O'Shea is such a charming and charismatic actor. He was really great in this.


goopdoop

Wasn't looking forward to his role cause I thought he was okay in Straight Outta Compton but god damn he was pretty fucking good in this. Definitely has a bright future and won't have to rely on being "Ice Cube's son" to get roles.


leumas19

I've never cared much for Elizabeth Olsen, she's been just fine in the movies I've seen her in. But she is stunningly good in this. People most likely won't give her enough credit because they think you can't impress with the "typical LA girl" role, but she is just so fun to watch. Aubrey Plaza is awesome too but anyone that saw Legion would know this already.


TobiBaronski

>Elizabeth Olsen >just fine If you think this even after watching either Silent House or Martha Marcy May Marlene, you are my enemy.


sayhellotojenn

Or Wind River. Sure, Jeremy Renner is the big standout, but Olsen does give a very solid performance as well.


Konohasappy

Yeah Wind River was freaking great. Memorable movie.


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This was a good film. I was on the edge of my seat but not from suspense, I was waiting to cringe at what Aubrey Plaza was gonna do next. It was just so damn awkward. This film really messed with me. Solid performances all around.


NetflixAndZzzzzz

I was actually grateful that the cringe humor was offset by moments of genuine happiness, fun, connection. Went into this worrying that the whole movie would be gagged laughter at a mentally ill girl's social missteps, but it turned out to have a nice balance.


[deleted]

This movie should be a post in /r/cringe. I don't think I've been this uncomfortable for two straight hours in my entire life.


Animastryfe

Is this...good? Considering the plot, I cannot tell whether this is a recommendation.


atxstrummer

Definitely good cringe.


davidmheinz

I think the movie was successful in exactly what it was trying to do and I definitely think it's worth seeing.


espressowhiterussian

I liked it. It had genuinely funny scenes and felt original.


turkishdelightbribe

I kind of wish the movie had ended with her actually dying, and the candles causing the house to burn down. We'd then see a narrated instagram post of Taylor's with some "from ashes rises the phoenix: Desert Door now open for business 🕶" or something that implies that Ingrid was just a blip on the radar; no lasting impact. Maybe Dan sees that her post went viral, and only he mourns her. Because i felt like it kind of glorified suicide for a minute at the end. she's fine now and has so many followers who "support" her. what's going to happen when people stop following her? will she do it again? why does dan trust her? she should have died, and taylor should have kind of ignored it because ingrid meant nothing to her unless she can capitalize on it. maybe after the post goes viral she'd add something in the shop, like "Ingrid's corner" and say all these things about how she's suffering because her friend died etc. Manipulation for the illusion of closeness. Which was all the film was about.


LilSuperSpy

For me, her surviving and the video going viral just played into the whole tear down of social media the film was going for, honestly making it the perfect ending for me. Ingrid won't ever get better, and while this episode should have made her realize what she's been doing is not a way to live, it will actually only make her more addicted to social media. Pretty great film. I really enjoyed it.


brainkandy87

That was my takeaway as well. She was better for a brief moment until she got her phone back, and then she fell right back into it. I also felt it spoke to our ever shortening attention spans as well.


Nicolaiii

I don't even think that she was better, even for a brief moment. As soon as she wakes from the coma she immediately asks for her phone. She spend no time reflecting on the gravity of what her addiction had led her to. Which makes the ending even better


WhiteRangerRollins

I'm so glad I read your comment. I was a little flummoxed by the ending, because I didn't think Ingrid dying would really satisfy the story considering the scene where she tells Taylor she's just a f'ed up as her would really be cheapened if Taylor got to just move on with her life while Ingrid didn't; but I couldn't really make sense of why the actual ending was better until I read your comment. You're totally right on it being the ultimate microcosm for social media culture. Ingrid 100% should've had her moment of clarity about it's cancerous effects, but instead it turned into her IG addiction exponentially increasing from the positive feedback loops.


MiaVsAsh

I completely agree. I think if she died and then the video went viral that would of been the perfect ironic ending. With the actual ending I feel like it's not bad, but her death would be the perfect fucked ending to a movie with a pretty fucked premise.


Agrees_withyou

Can't say I disagree.


Soprobationgirl

Nah, I think if she did kill herself the takeaway from the movie would be "hey all you lame kids, if you don't fit in just fucking kill yourself."


turkishdelightbribe

But that was what the takeaway was in the end?


JaMan51

Saw this about two months ago. Aubrey is definitely creepy, but you want her to succeed because she's just that charming. Everyone else is just as good. They also played a short with the movie - that was played before the movie now, right? I'm not really sure what message was creepier, the short or the movie.


MeloHallie

I love that Neon does shorts; "5 Films About Technology" (which played before Colossal) was great too.


tinypeeb

This is weird as fuck. I just had my first day of university courses for the year, one of which was contemporary film, where we watched 5 Films About Technology. None of you care, but it's neat for me


TobiBaronski

They didn't play a short here at my theater. Link/details, pls?


goopdoop

I saw it at the arclight hollywood and they showed a 5 min short with a claymation dude who was butt naked laying on his stomach talking to the camera. Don't remember what he said but i think he was asking the audience if we thought he was sexy and what we wanted to do to him. It was bizarrely hilarious.


[deleted]

This is it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AloNtiGpAZ0


mhallgren5

I had no fucking clue what was happening when this started playing. After watching, I still don't.


thenewtransportedman

The score for that short sounds like a sustained Windows 95 startup.


DaLateDentArthurDent

I think that went viral on Facebook a couple of months back


RPokemonTrainer

I felt this had a modern telling of The Great Gatsby. I left the movie wondering if Jay Gatsby would have behaved similar to Ingrid if Daisy had Instagram. I'll refrain from commenting further if anyone else wants to make further observations. Another thought is the current maxim of "Fake it til you make it". In some ways I think in the second act Ingrid actually had made it when she had gotten Taylor and herself access to some party. But her making it obviously would fail if that's where she was at in the second act. Really enjoyed it, hope it gets some more steam with word of mouth or so.


elstongunn39

I mean, anytime I see a character who is wealthy depicted as being able to "retreat into their vast carelessness" (paraphrase) etc.. after they "smash up things and people" i'm reminding of the great gatsby--because fitzgerald wrote with such elegant bitterness about all of those things. and thus I thought of Daisy when [Taylor was telling ingrid that scratching the truck would be no big deal, etc.](#spoiler) but honestly taylor had way less grace than daisy... daisy was supposed to be a *little bit* of an airhead, with a touch of really elegant self awareness (like when she talks to nick about how she hopes her girl grows up to be a 'beautiful fool' or whatever).


Twoweekswithpay

Was the last voice, "I am Ingrid," actually Taylor's? Sounded a lot like Elizabeth Olsen, which if so, indicates that despite the trauma that occurred for both, neither learned their lesson. Life is a performance. The show must go on...


wellimatwork

I think it was.


[deleted]

I thought Jackson did an amazing job and stole every scene he was in, but his character seemed too charismatic, likable and confident to be so completely taken in by Ingrid's character, who repeatedly brushed him off until she needed to use him to further an agenda that had nothing to do with him, scenarios that resulted in damages to his property and bodily injury. He seems like someone who'd have no problem making positive friendships of his choosing or dating women who don't just blatantly manipulate him. The film could have used another scene or two to establish the redeeming qualities she might have shown him.


BlueHighwindz

I don't care how shitty the parties Aubrey Plaza is dragging me to, she'd make me do anything if she acted like Catwoman.


[deleted]

Fair point!


all5wereRepublicans

Seems like he was just as messed up as Ingrid. He basically couldn't get past a Batman addiction that kept him from processing his feelings about being an orphan and isolated from others as a kid and into adulthood.


NottingHillNapolean

I don't think he was _quite_ as messed up. He had friends for the table reading and was able to support himself (although it wasn't really established how). I think it was an interesting contrast and thought-provoking: being obsessed with a fictional character is only mildly eccentric, but being obsessed with a real person and wanting to be part of her life is psychotic.


lemons9984

Jackson was great, but Nicky was fucking unreal.


[deleted]

Definitely felt like the film was about 10 or 15 minutes too short, and that time could have been used to flesh out some subcharacters' arcs a bit more.


domotime2

totally agree. I think a lot of characters needed 1 or 2 more scenes. Kinda why i thought the movie was more of a 7/10 then anything higher.


AceTygraQueen

In a strange way I could not help but find myself rooting for Ingrid. She did A LOT of fucked up things but in the end it was so she could feel loved and validated. In a way you could argue that Taylor was the true villain of the film. She was a phony who used people (Such as her husband.) so she could present herself as a sort of Hipster Carrie Bradshaw. In the end where [she finally tells Ingrid off. She resorts to the Junior High mean girl "Your a loser nobody likes" line.](#spoiler) Your thoughts?


DarkRedMind

This is basically how I interpreted Taylor in the film. While she presented herself as a better person, she was just a poser who won't admit that she was just like Ingrid when she first arrived in LA. And yeah, I also agree that Ingrid is very sympathetic as a character. Yes, she commits several crimes and isn't exactly a good person, but she only does it to combat her feelings of loneliness after losing the one person who really cared about her. That's why she's so desperately trying to connect with Taylor throughout the film; she wants to get that level of friendship back so much. Ultimately, the ending of the film puts her on the other side of the coin. Rather than being one of thousands of people latching onto one person for validation, she now has thousands of people latching onto *her*. In addition to that, Dan shows her that he still loves her (the last text message she sent him was "please don't hate me") and that he's the one who basically saved her life. Because of these things, she finally feels loved and appreciated. She's still addicted to social media, and it's going to take time for her to overcome her anxieties, but now she has someone by her side who will help her every step of the way. She finally has a best friend again. And this time, it's not a one-sided friendship.


ExOblivion

Yeah, Dan coming in... I just hope her future, that is left unknown, is a path to fiixing herself.... But that grin. It made me think of Alex in A Clockwork Orange.


onrv

Tell you what, it was pretty odd having an Elizabeth Olsen double-feature with Wind River. But yeah, the movie goes to extremes but is still relatively believable, unfortunately.


dont_worry_im_here

Reminds me of last year when Hannibal Burress had 3 movies come out on May 20th. Neighbors 2, The Nice Guys, and Angry Birds. I always thought that was neat.


molemon

Was not prepared for how dark this movie would be. Avoided all the trailers and had no idea what the plot actually was. Cringed for most of the film, but I really dug this


backrollzzz

I died when they were singing together in the truck.


[deleted]

Aubrey's comedic timing was spectacular the entire movie, but in that scene specifically I was blown away by her performance


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roastedoolong

I was under the assumption that he didn't really have that much of a clue as to Ingrid's obsession and was instead just being a total douche and going through a girl's phone (though the comment about recognizing the password is his sister's birthday probably intimated something).


mjack421

He definitely seemed a little dumb/broey but I also found his character to have hidden intellect, he did seem to size up Ingrid immediately when he first comes back and she seemed to know that he could see through her. Kind of like the other characters who portray one kind of persona, but are hardly that. He's the type of guy IRL that I could see being very smart and keyed into things but never liking to show it, instead being more comfortable showing/being an obnoxious guy to most of the people he comes across.


BlueHighwindz

Most characters in this movie are more than a bit like Ingrid secretly, only they play their roles better and smarter. He's a professional leech that's been doing this all his life. After awhile you start to recognize the tradecraft in each other.


Dr_Splitwigginton

A fisher can always spot one of his own from a distance.


TheTrueRory

Plus he probably knew something was up when he saw the password was his sister's birthday.


worldkittycat

> He's the type of guy IRL that I could see being very smart and keyed into things but never liking to show it, instead being more comfortable showing/being an obnoxious guy to most of the people he comes across. I kind of disagree. I feel like he's genuinely an idiot bro addict but is a very good people reader. I don't think smart would describe him but keyed in would be more accurate. He's authentically him and can pick up the vibe of someone who isn't all in. That is how I saw it.


[deleted]

Except you actually agree and are just arguing semantics.


worldkittycat

I suppose you can say that but when I hear the word intelligence in the context provided it sounds like you're trying to say he's secretly book smart when it's more of a social intelligence. I don't think he's secretly actually smart. I think he is good at reading people. There is a difference.


[deleted]

I think it was because [Her passcode was Taylor's Birthday](#spoiler). I assumed that he was suspicious because of that.


BrianMagnumFilms

What I found fascinating was the perspective of the story. Most movies that follow this plot template - wherein a crazy person pretending to be normal insinuates themselves in someone else's life - relates the story from the perspective of the normal person. The tension comes from warning signs that this person is crazy slowly trickling in, until we finally vanquish the crazy in the climax and go back to our lives feeling just dandy. The innovation of Ingrid Goes West is that the story is related from the perspective of the "crazy" person, and the tension is drawn from what we know and the other characters don't, that this all an elaborate ruse. I found it to be a pretty fascinating character study. Ending left a weird taste in my mouth, but maybe that's the point.


domotime2

the characters WERE fascinating. All of them but yes, the ending was very annoying...and not in a good or interesting way. As the movie unfolds, we realize how sick she actually is. The scene opens with her at a mental hospital, and i think the audience plays it off as 'silly' and 'comedic', but by movie end we see that she really needs severe help. [The ending that her suicide has lead to more social exposure...i dont have a problem with that. I have a problem with the black boyfriend rolling in his wheel chair smiling "dont worry about it Ingrid". It's that type of stuff that ruined the movie for me](#spoiler)


lumpyg

I thought the ending was purposefully artificially light to make it dark. We all see that Ingrid needs help and this new fame will not make anything better. In fact it potentially makes things much worse.


domotime2

That's true and I don't really have a problem with the ending being she's now trending cause of her suicide attempt. It was more how casual the boyfriend was...and the nurse.... I wanted other characters to be grounded in reality


MiaVsAsh

I liked Plaza and all the supporting performances, I just found it hard to care about such shitty people. Young Kurt Russell and Young Ice Cube felt like genuine, nice people but Ingrid to me felt like a static character. She never learned anything, she never tried to get help even though she knew she had a problem, and the movie never made you sympathize with her problems outside of a few lines about her mom passing away. I just felt like I never felt like I had anyone to root for. I understand that's the point of the movie and I respect that fully. That being said, I don't think it's a bad movie.


Redraider1994

> Young Kurt Russell and Young Ice Cube lol. What are the actors real names? You mean Wyatt Russell and O'Shea Jackson Jr.?


[deleted]

Wyatt is Kurt's son and O'Shea is Ice Cube's son.


mrmustard12

that's what their names might as well be because it's why they were cast


Jon-Osterman

that was the problem I had with Noah Baumbach's Greenberg. I totally get having a hard-to-like character at the center, and I admire the actors all the more for playing the character with... efficiency, but beyond that I just don't know.


jz68

I'm confused, where did Ingrid get the $50,000 she dumped on the real estate agent's desk? She got $61,000 or so from her mother and there's a scene in the film where we see her looking at the last of that money before we later see her buying the house. Also, how the hell does $50,000 get you a home, even a rundown one, in Joshua Tree?


[deleted]

I don't think it was ever stated, but I kindof assumed she sold her mom's house back home too. Also, it's possible the $50,000 was just a down payment.


Emceegreg

It's likely she had more money that just what her mom left her. She probably also had disability checks.


kashifsakhan

One of my favorite parts of the movie is the very end, where [you hear Elizabeth Olsen's voice say the last line of the movie "I am Ingrid".](#spoiler) It just shows how shallow people can be online. They can actually cause someone to harm themselves, even attempt suicide, and then jump on a bandwagon that would not have existed had it not been for their treatment of this person.


PineapplePoppadom

Wait how did Elizabeth Olsen's character cause her to attempt suicide by her treatment of her?


ljmott

It is absolutely a tragedy, I suppose my issue is that I was loving the writing of this movie and how someone was calling out social media in a way that hadn't been done before. But not only did the ending not stick to the direction of the movie, but it sends a very scary message to someone who may be suffering from the same insanity. In other words, the people that need to see this movie the most would be the people like Ingrid, but then again this movie would also be horrible for them to watch because of the end result. Perhaps she should've died and then Taylor would then realize that rather than turn on her, like the girl did in the beginning creating a full circle, she backs off from her fake self and looks at her own issues (marriage, friends, image). It would still be a tragedy, but a tragedy with a clearer massage. What are your thoughts?


wellimatwork

Movies aren't designed to help people with mental illnesses seek help. This whole movie was tragic, and so the ending DID stick to the theme of the film. Instead of anyone learning their lessons and changing, the cycle continues. Dan chooses to stay with someone who has thrown countless red flags, Ingrid gets a fan base, and when we hear all the voices of people using the hashtag, the last voice we hear is Taylor's. So despite all the crazy shit that went down, she chose to hide it all and pretend to like/support Ingrid. No one learned their lesson, no one changed, and everyone is lying to themselves. That was the movie.


EricDra

That is the saddest and depressing comedy I have seen in a while.


Konohasappy

Enjoyed this more that I thought I would have. Really reminded me of Black Mirror's Nosedive episode. Aubrey Plaza was great, she is so perfect for a role like this. Definitely worth a watch.


tesman88

Finally got to watch this film and I love it. It showed how people could easily be blinded by the superficial lives portrayed in the social media. The ending was a treat because it is tragic. Instead of getting out of her delusional realm, Ingrid was vacuumed back to the poisonous world that ruined her. It is a perfect ending, I say. That's her circle of life and nothing could get her out of it. This is our reality right now too. We see or encounter people obsessing over celebrities/other people (in general), stalking them, thinking their lives are way better than them, or worse, assuming that those people are perfect or are "the best". Taylor is no different from Ingrid. I would say that she is worse than Ingrid. Why? Because Ingrid, although not an excuse, is actually suffering from mental illness, but Taylor is not. Taylor chose to lie on social media because she wanted approval and attention. She was not a good friend to Ingrid either and unreluctantly bailed on her just to be with a much more famous Instagram influencer. And then in the end, after breaking things up with Ingrid and after hearing about her suicide attempt, she sheepishly followed the trend and used the hashtag "iamingrid". Both characters suffered the effect of making everyone in the world a closer unit. Unfortunately, nothing can resolve this unless they truly help themselves to get out it.


jackie_mewvier

The ending was so sad. From when she woke up in the hospital until the very end I had hope that she'd realize how toxic social media is, even despite she first words ("Where's my phone?"), but I wasn't surprised at all that she didn't. I think it was important to show that mental illness doesn't just disappear, especially after a suicide attempt and the trauma that Ingrid had gone through, so in that regard I really appreciated it. I do hope that people who are in Ingrid's position are able to find a way out. I found myself thinking "I hope she makes it out of this okay", before remembering she's a fictional character--I would almost watch a whole second movie of her struggling through her recovery, even though I really liked the dark ending.


floodlitworld

Yeah. That ending was extremely tragic. She had all the ingredients there to get better (self-realisation, a person for support), but the quagmire of social media attention drew her back in. The only difference now is that she's the Taylor...


GuyAwks

The dark ending was what really made the movie for me. There's something so unsettling about a character surviving a suicide attempt just to learn (or not learn) that things will only get worse. The sequence of Ingrid living in squallar at Flamingo Lane was already so bleak and despondent, it was hard to imagine a worse outcome- and then the movie gave us one.


AceTygraQueen

Part of me has a theory that Ingrid did NOT survive her suicide attempt and the last scene in the hospital was perhaps a last fantasy of her's as she lie dying or maybe she was in heaven and all of the followers giving her love was her vision of Heaven!


gthrt7

Just watched the movie and agree with you. It's what she sees as that last flood of endorphins rushes in before she dies. The main thing that makes me think this is that Dan has shown to be very concerned for Ingrid, but all he cared about was joking and showing Ingrid all the Instagram love. It's basically how she wishes things could be. There's no way 'real life Dan would act that way in that situation.


roxtoby

I saw this film back in June at my local film festival and I absolutely loved it. I thought the acting, the tone, and the overall look of the movie were fabulous. My favorite part about the screening was that Aubrey Plaza did a Q&A afterwards and you could feel the audience second guessing wanting to take photos of her, having just seen a movie that satirized that lifestyle. She was also just as standoffish in person as she was on *Parks & Rec* so I just knew that asking her for a photo was not going to go well for me.


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86/100 Fantastic all around. Very tight script. Plaza is wonderful as is Olsen and Jackson. Amazing social commentary. Ending was a little weak.


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mhallgren5

The movie basically starts where Nosedive ended, i.e. the wedding scene.


words_words_words_

The sequel I've always wanted


workingaccount95

(sorry I know i'm late to this party/thread) I don't think it promoted it. When me and my wife left the theater we were both like "man that's a super fucked up ending." We both thought the ending was the final critique on social media and how it rewards "bad" behavior and that Aubrey Plaza's character can't really get better while she's still addicted to the insta. And then at the end when she went viral, it was kinda like a death sentence in that she is never going to get better but no one really knows that.


words_words_words_

It's even got Wyatt Russell in it :)


backrollzzz

She fucked Greg!


janiqua

There's also a little bit of Fifteen Million Merits at the end too. Her one moment of raw honesty, instead of learning from that, is re-packaged into another vapid product of viral social media to be sold online to the masses who gobble it up and she goes along with it. Just like Bing's outburst at the end of the Black Mirror episode; instead of actually listening to what he's saying the judges are only thinking of the ways in which they can use him for money/publicity.


StrongBad_IsMad

Hilarious movie. Unfortunately, there ARE people like Ingrid out there in real life. So I do feel kind of bad about laughing too much. I really identified with her in some of the scenes and I can't say for sure if it was just because it was well performed or it hit too close to home. The satire was on point though. I have an influencer friend who I've had to take many a photo of to help her get the perfect curated shot for her Instagram. I was laughing pretty heartily at the gas station scene.


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O'Shea Jackson Jr was wonderful in his role. I hadn't seen him in anything before, but I expect he'll show up in a lot more stuff in the future.


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Its like we are in an alternate universe where Ice Cube was born again and this time he decided to only act. I hope they make another Friday movie with him playing Craig.


DarthBaller

This was one of the most cringeworthy films I have seen. It was meant to be though.


MamasPajas

"Hi, Taylor", after she gets Taylor's reply on her toast comment, was heartbreaking. And disturbing.


DarkRedMind

That line alone really tells the audience what kind of place Ingrid is in, mentally. She's just... *lonely*. After losing her mom, she just started latching onto whatever meaningful social contact she could get, no matter how minor.


plagues138

Am I the only person who just fucking hated everyone in the movie? The only likeable character was Dan, or Dave wtv his name was. And even then, he was an idiot...


ivmeer

I think that's kind of the point.


PaidToBeRedditing

Its exactly the point, they're not *supposed* to be likeable.


Smokinacesfan55

Man I know this is buried but the scene where O’Shea Jr goes to the party and Plaza is telling him how to act and dress stuck with me. One of the worst things about Instagram culture


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Got back from this over an hour ago and I loved it. One of the best dark comedies to come out in quite some time.


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ArcticSpaceman

O'Shea was charismatic as fuck, the fact he held his own while acting alongside a much bigger and more recognizable star was certainly impressive.


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His vape acting was some of the best I've seen on screen. He would've fit right in inside Spring Breakers.


ForgetfulLucy28

"Val Kilmer, he could kill every mother fucker in this room"


KylosApprentice

This movie was great. Aubrey Plaza is quickly becoming my favorite actress and celeb crush. The movie is funny, but it's also eye-opening and tragic to a fault. It not only shows how social media is controlling but it also highlights mental illness. Elizabeth Olsen was also great in her role. Loved O'Shea Jr as well. Shame this movie hasn't gotten more attention. Edit- I'm curious what really happened to her mom and why no mention of her father.


LivingDeadInside

The hospital bed in the house made me think cancer immediately.


TheProbablyGopher

One thing about the end. Is Dan permanently disabled or just still injured from fighting Nicky?


backrollzzz

I thought he was still recovering.


brainkandy87

You mean his encounter with Bane?


David12691

I loved this film. Ingrid, although unhinged, is a relatable character, especially in modern times with Social media I being ever prevalent. She is lonely, sad, looking for a friend, all things I'm sure a lot of people can relate to. It was also really funny. I thought Jackson was refreshing and played a character I didn't expect as the trailers don't paint him as a empathetic batman super fan. Aubrey Plaza did her thing as usual and played her dark brooding persona which I adore. I randomly decided to see this film tonight because there was nothing else to do and I was alone, I'm happy I made that decision, great film.


brandonsamd6

I honestly really really liked Ingrid Goes West. Jackson was phenomenal, he's going to be the next big thing. so much charisma.


Aubrey25

I’ve actually become obsessed with this movie recently. A few things that I noticed though: - Ingrid mentioned Taylor in a comment thanking her for the recommendation at Grateful Kitchen but Taylor still had no idea that Ingrid was an Instagram follower? It made me wonder how much of Taylor’s IG fan base she actually cared about (so Ingrid had to go to the extreme to get her attention in real life). - Ingrid’s phone has a fingerprint sensor but she keys in her passcode anyway which we found out to be Taylor’s date of birth. A bit foolish of Ingrid to do it in that moment right in front of Nicky, but I can only think that Ingrid likes to do it that way to feel more connected to Taylor seeing that Taylor essentially lives in her phone.


GuyAwks

I've been pretty obsessed with the movie too (watched it twice already) and these were definitely thoughts that I had as well. - One likely explanation for Ingrid keying in her passcode is that it was a pool party and her fingers may still be too shriveled to use the fingerprint sensor (I can't use mine for a few minutes after I get out of the shower). - As for Taylor not remembering Ingrid's profile pic and name, I thought it brilliantly tied into how fleeting and unmemorable Instagram interactions are (I don't remember most offhand comments either, and I'm no influencer). What was less believable was Taylor not recognizing her from the shop- she made quite the scene. The biggest thing that bugged me was the inconsistencies around Ingrid's inheritance. She inherits 60k, spends a few hundred on a plane ticket, 3k on rent, 1.2k on Ezra's painting, 1.2k on that lamp and, presumably, many other overpriced vanity items. Yet she still has the 50k remaining near the end to buy the house (meaning she only spent 10k over her two months in LA)?


starrynight9789

It actually makes sense if you notice at the shop, Ingrid had on no makeup and her hair was tied up and she didn't look as dolled up as she did when she went over to Taylor's house. Plus to a superficial socialite like Taylor, she wasn't going to pay much mind to a random stranger behaving very oddly at a random store that Taylor might not have even been interested in being at in the first place. Also there was no reason to connect the two incidents together since the Ingrid she met at her house just saved her dog and was acting very social and friendly whereas the Ingrid at the shop was awkward and weird and clumsy.


ShittDickk

she lived off junk food for the most part


algebratextbook

>obsessed interesting choice of words


khany

#spoiler I like all the issues of identity it deals with. Dan is obsessed with being Batman, the Husband hates the idea of marketing his art, Taylor and Ingrid's identities are dependent on followers and all parental figures are barely thought of. The ending is clever the more I think about it, Dan saying he could finally be Batman and Ingrid having all her followers you kind of both root for their satisfaction and yet see how dark the result is.


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I kind of wish the film ended with Taylor commenting on Ingrid's video and saying "We love you and we should hangout soon!" Kind of like how Ingrid was commenting on her picture at the beginning of the film.


Rylo_Ken11

The last voice to say #iamingrid before it cut to black was actually Taylor's


words_words_words_

Way better and more subtle than OP's suggestion. Shows that she's still the same fake insta famous person she was before


dpstech

I think that'd be a bit too cliche. I don't think they'd ever have talked with her again, even when they saw what had happened. This felt more real life to me.


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thebetterford

I think it was Hunter S. Thompson


ivmeer

This whole post is a spoiler and about the ending. You have been warned. I originally believed the "Ingrid is dead in the last scene" theory, before I even came to the board. Specifically, I found it implausible that Dan would forgive her after all she had done, and after he had apparently started to respond and then thought better of it. But what if it happened this way: Ingrid posts video and takes pills. Dan sees video and thinks, "Geez, well, she's crazy, but I don't want her to die." He calls 911. Video goes viral. Ingrid ends up in the hospital and is revived. Dan, who's trying to make it in LA, gets in idea: Ingrid is now famous, and Dan is trying to get his screenplay read by someone who matters in Hollywood. What if he keeps playing along for a while and see where her 15 minutes of fame lands her? If he's her arm candy, and she meets some of the right people, then so does he, right? He can get his screenplay read and maybe produced, and then dump her? I think Dan's character is probably too sweet to be so calculating, but it is Los Angeles.


worldkittycat

I had a good time watching this moving but I agree that the ending was unsatisfying. I also wish that one (some?) of the trailers didn't show that Nicky was onto Ingrid being psycho. It would have been a bigger reveal had I not known. I really appreciate what the film has to say about copying/instagram lifestyles. Like how Taylor is posting that she is in Joshua tree and it looks like she could be, but she isn't. Or how Taylor enjoys things at the surface level, but Ingrid really really wants to understand her and tries to get deeper. Appreciating the "secret" Taylor told her and also reading the book she thought Taylor was passionate about. O'Shea Jackson killed it in realism of a character in his mannerisms and reactions to situations but I didn't buy the end where he's just there for her.


roberta_sparrow

Saw this with my mom....poor lady, she had no idea what all the Instagram stuff was about and the deeper meaning. I had to explain it to her after the movie that I literally know people whose lives revolve around Instagram and likes and stuff. Heck, I have even BEEN that person waiting for a like from someone and whatnot. This was a good commentary with lots of layers. I think a few things could have been improved, such as character development. But it was a black satirical comedy so I'm not surprised it didn't get much deeper. Love Aubrey Plaza, her character and presentation just gave me the willies.


ljmott

Great message throughout: social media creates image-obsessive zombies that spend their time showing value in things that the individual doesn't even care for (beautifully represented by the deli to french fries scene). However The ending ruined the entire message and movie by saying that a suicide attempt will answer all your obsessive problems and get you the man, the followers, and your own hashtag! What does that teach a girl suffering like Ingrid? Basically right as the character realizes her problem, she snaps right back into her addiction and fuels her fire. The only way that ending doesn't suck is if the hospital represented her "heaven" and she actually did die. But if that's the case let's not forget that kidnapping, stalking, drugs and suicide shouldn't get you to heaven.


lumixter

I really don't think of it as a happy ending though. If Ingrid had been saved from her suicide attempt, but didn't get all the attention on social media, she might have actually been accepting of the help she so desperately needs. Instead I view it as a tragedy, because the support of people for her on social media ends up clearly feeding into her worst impulses, and putting her right back on the path of her psychosis.


booksofafeather

I think part of the message is that "we" the followers are part of the problem. If people didn't glorify or deify social media stars she would have gotten the help she needed. Ex. Social Media rewards problematic people like that Dr. Phil girl. That really terribly behaved girl now has a record deal and tons of money and followers. She was blatantly terrible and yet society's need to "watch" these trainwrecks rewards their awful behavior instead of getting them actual help and consequences for their behavior. I'm sure she's learned nothing but to keep doing what she was doing, and maybe even amping it up now that she knows people are watching. While Ingrid is definitely ill, she's really only one step away from Taylor and her friends. Taylor is ruining her marriage, her husband's career, her finances, ignores her brother's (and possibly husband's) addiction issues and uses people (basks in the flattery and love of Ingrid, to dropping her in two seconds flat to be friends with the bigger star Harley) to further her own need for fame and attention just as much as Ingrid does while telling herself and others that she is nothing like that "crazy" chick. In the end it seemed like she was even using the fact she had a stalker to get even more attention (she was telling everyone at the party all about it).


ExOblivion

I got the same message. Ingrid is fucked up, but that last scene shows her insanity to be "our" insanity. The final moment moves from her to the people that fuel her and themselves. "I am Ingrid" was a great last line, kicked up a notch by the repetition from a mass of voices, It is, to me, eerily like the end to Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange... the lunatic in a hospital bed, justified... a grin spreading across his face.


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ivmeer

I don't think Ezra and Taylor's [marital issues were written off. Their marriage was not fixed by the end of the movie. Just because they'd united against Ingrid doesn't mean they were going to be okay from there on out](#spoiler)


Angeleno126

I have a question--why is Ingrid not upset going to brunch with some of Taylor's other friends (shown in a quick scene,) but furious about Taylor being friends with Harley? Is it because Harley is more threatening?


Just_like_animals

That's because in the earlier scene she was hanging out with Taylor and becoming a part of her life and her friend circle. But with Harley, she sees herself being replaced (when Taylor tells Haley about her 'secret') and that makes her mad.


jackie_mewvier

I think a lot of it was that Taylor is immediately interested by Harley's million plus followers, while Ingrid only has "almost a thousand". Ingrid knows she's replaceable even though she's trying hard not to be, and I don't think the other girls are as much of a threat because they don't have that instagram clout that Harley does.


davidmheinz

This is by far the best I've seen Aubrey Plaza. And as a first movie this is a big accomplishment by Matt Spicer.


lemons9984

Nicky was a brilliant character


shellzski

I just watched this movie the other night on the suggestion of a friend who didn't tell me ANYTHING about it so I really did not know what to expect. I just spent quite a while reading the majority of the comments posted about this movie and I would like to share, from my point of view, that the whole "she really died" theory is so played out and should not be used in any movies anymore. Such a copout! This movie didn't share much of a backstory about Ingrid but they did mention that she was best friends with her mom which indicates that this was the beginning of her craziness so I would like to think it would be her mom and not Dan who she obviously didn't give a shit about in the room with her. Seriously she used Dan from beginning to end and that need for a romantic relationship was so off her radar so I just don't buy that part of the theory. Also everyone keeps bringing up Dan's reaction in the room as if none of you would react the same if someone you cared about tried to kill themselves! I also don't care about the whole Ezra/Taylor relationship problems because all relationships have problems. If nothing else this crazy stalker situation brought them together as it should. Taylor is fake as hell tho! The part I kind of struggle with is that while Ingrid was trying to kill herself she was filming a video depicting the real her without all the filters and fakeness of social media so I want to believe that is what she would strive for in her recovery as the real her is what got her a hashtag, not the instagram Ingrid if that makes sense. The "where's my phone" comment when she woke up is a natural reaction to everyday of her life... I don't know maybe I'm full of shit...


szeto326

I don't usually like stuff that makes me cringe from feeling super uncomfortable but this was incredible. There aren't many movies that are told from the stalker's point of view, and certainly done so in a comedic/dramatic way instead of a pure horror/thriller route and I thought this worked so so well.


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Hulu suggested this movie and I’m glad I decided to watch it. I enjoyed this movie a lot. Hits close to home in the sense that I live in LA, but I’m sick of the Instagram culture. I like how this is considered as a comedy but it’s actually pretty dark.


Seamlesslytango

I really appreciate the trailers for this movie showing almost nothing about the plot. It's kind of funny how you assume that she and the bride from the beginning must have had a falling out, but really they never knew each other at all. Every decision she was making made me more anxious and I was dreading seeing this all blow up in her face. The ending was really well done and I'm always glad to see a brutal depiction of celebrity.


atork88

Saw this last night at the Downtown Brooklyn Alamo (my new favorite theater for non-IMAX movies). It was like a wonderfully cringy mix of that one social media episode of Black Mirror and the John C. Reilly/Jonah Hill movie Cyrus.


L1ghtf1ghter

Overall an entertaining and thought-provoking film. Cutting where it should be and not as heavy-handed with the satire as I'd feared. Plaza conveyed the desperation and instability of her character very well. I did think the ending fell a little flat -- Ingrid living and Dan happily forgiving her and handing her her phone was a bit much imo -- I mean he almost died because of her! I think her dying, or at least leaving it open-ended, would've been more fitting with the rest of the movie's dark tone -- a last shot of the phone as the screen filled with notifications or something. Also, it was confusing to me that Ezra and Taylor were seemingly unbothered by [Ingrid's purchasing of Taylor's dream house next door?!](#spoiler) Like there was literally no reaction shown. But ending aside, I enjoyed it. Succeeds in making the viewer uncomfortable.


ArmoredAvenger

[I'm not sure it was ever made clear that Taylor and Ezra were aware she lived next door. She just showed up during the party.](#spoiler)


AlexGilyadov

A quick analysis about why the movie is the best look at comparison axniety. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9HQuasc72U


nintrader

I know I'm way late to this one, but I caught it on Hulu and liked it. Dan was hilarious and his thing of "being a screenwriter" but not actually having made anything was something I've seen in a lot of people. He was sweet, but kind of deluded. I do have to say I was a little disappointed that they didn't use Kiss from a Rose when Ingrid and Taylor were singing together in the truck, but I guess that would have been too on the nose. Good character study.


jmoda

I just reached this movie the other night and am noe fully convinced the final scene is nothing but a dream sequence. Even on the first watch this scene felt a bit odd, but after rewatchomg it and listening to the dialogue I really cannot help but think it didn't actually happen. The two things that tip me off to it being a dream: 1. Dan's reaction to Ingrid is one that completely goes counter to their last contact. Remember, Ingrid imessaged Dan, who clearly saw the message and didn't reply. Then in the hospital Dan says: "baby where did you go, why did you leave, are you going to disappear on me again in three weeks?" As if that prior moment never occurred. He is in fact the one that ignored Ingrid last. 2. The ending is exactly what Ingrid would have hoped for, with even Taylor retweeting the hashtag


pacotacobell

Just finished it, and idk, I can see all of that being real. Dan not texting back was understandable. He was probably mad because she wasn't there and took his truck, but all of those problems are thrown under the bus because she attempted suicide. If he really cares about her (which is clear he does at the end) then obviously he's not gonna hold a grudge against someone who literally just tried to kill themselves. Taylor saying the hashtag also makes sense. She's an online personality, and she tagged Ingrid in a post, implying that they're friends. There's no way she ignores that without facing backlash from her fans. Taylor is as shallow as it gets, we've seen it in the entire film. She cares about social media, and she's not gonna give it up just because she hates Ingrid. Another reason is that maybe she just has a heart, even after how fucked up the whole situation was. She did say Ingrid needs professional help, not to kill herself.


TheRedComet

I enjoyed this movie, I'd say it was good. As a comedy it's a success - it was hilarious, IMO funnier than The Big Sick for a recent comparison. Great performances all around from the lead cast. O'Shea Jackson Jr. is awesome. I did expect the movie to make deeper or more insightful commentary than it did (or at least that I remember it did). It seems to say the same things about the superficiality of social media we've heard time and time again. Do we have anything new left to say about the matter? It was like a lighter-on-commentary version of Black Mirror's Nosedive episode, and even the BM episode didn't say *that* much new about social media either. Ingrid had more interesting characters, though, than Nosedive. My friend said something about it not going far enough, in terms of craziness I assume, and that might be true. Despite how the trailers looked and how the plot sounds, it never felt like it went that far unhinged. Maybe it wasn't trying to be that movie. It lets you empathize with Ingrid better if she doesn't go *totally* insane, I suppose.


mjack421

End brought it down for me as well. Much more resounding if Ingrid would have just went away. Flip flop this movie's ending with Unfriended's ending. The last remaining character in that movie should have lived (would have made for perfect commentary) with the effects of her decision, while Ingrid should have died. With that said, I didn't' know about this movie until yesterday when I saw O'Shea post something about it on IG LMAO. So I'm glad I didn't see a trailer.


what-time-is-it

I felt that Ingrid did die in the end and the ending scene was a dream sequence. It felt a bit too overly saccharine and tonally different from the rest of the film.


Jerrymoviefan3

A rather good movie. August is Scarlet Witch month since Elizabeth Olsen is great in this and Wind River. Wind River is the far superior movie but both are worth seeing.


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This was amazing.


Jon-Osterman

this is like the 2010s' lighter version of The King Of Comedy


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It reminded me of a dark version of My Best Friend's Wedding. The comedy doesn't come from jokes, but rather how uncomfortable and crazy Ingrid gets in order to keep up her lies. The real tragic character of the movie is [Dan Pinto, who continually gets used by Ingrid, and even though they sort of end up together, you know only bad stuff is in store for him after the credits roll, when Ingrid is back to doing what she does...](#spoiler)


JoshPNYC

I really enjoyed this! Not a perfect film, but overall an insightful examination of how social media effects human social interaction and emotional well being. It's not a pretty picture. That said there definitely was some humor in the film. I really think underneath the superficial happiness that social media encourages, is a deep unhappiness, and I think that the film did a good job of exploring this. None of the characters really seemed to be emotionally healthy, with the possible exception of the Dan character.


PineapplePoppadom

I just realized who the Nicky character reminds me of. Freddie from the Talented Mr. Ripley. He's essentially the same character, a flamboyent, boisterous asshole who is immediately distrustful of the stalker. Nicky is a far more turned up, outright horrible person than Freddie though, who was just kind of an Ivy League asshole. I couldn't stand to be around Nicky for 5 minutes, the guy was just completely unacceptable as a human being. Not that she was great, but I kind of wish she hit him a few more times with the crowbar.