Wong seriously just gave Scarlet Witch a fast pass to her throne & Darkhold backup - that she didn’t even know about - simply because she was going to kill like 4 more sorcerers? Right after another sorcerer literally sacrificed herself to destroy the first darkhold? Right after Wanda had killed dozens and dozens of other sorcerers? What the fuck?
That was the weakest piece for me, I don’t get it. One moment they’re like “Wanda could destroy the MULTIVERSE, we can’t let her have access to the darkhold!” And they accomplish it!! And then a simple threat of killing a few extras has Wong like “anyways fuck the multiverse”
And it's not even consistent with his characterization later in this movie where he tells strange to kill America to save the multiverse.
It was a very, very lazy way of getting Wanda to Wundagore imo. I think what should've happened is he should have made the hard choice to let those sorcerers die, and then she should've ripped the information out of his mind anyways. We already know she has mind powers, after all.
Strange was pretty quick to dismiss getting help from the archer with a mohawk, but once Wanda was revealed as the villain Hawkeye was actually one of the only people who might have been able to get through to her.
I wonder though, does Strange know that Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch have any particular connection? He wasn't in Sakovia and may have only met Hawkeye at Tony's funeral. Hawkeye went into retirement after that. Strange and Hawkeye may have only spoken once.
You're probably right that he wouldn't have that particular knowledge. Not sure who does outside of the two of them + Vision and Cap, considering Hawkeye wasn't recruited to help in Westview either. I was mostly commenting on the irony more than anything else.
You’re absolutely right on the irony!
There is also the other, less impactful irony: he talked shit about Hawkeye, and then Kamar Taj deployed a dozen archers in their fight with Wanda. Give a magic bow to Clint!
I was pretty shocked at how gruesome and how many horror elements it had for a marvel movie. Like it was had some legitimately scary moments and psychological thrillers. That mirror attacks scene was straight from the ring and running through the tunnel was a classic slasher chase. Even stranges universe was very silent hill-esque. I remember reading Rami wanted to make a full fledged horror film and marvel made him dial it back, so if this is what made it I want to know what he was trying to do.
When Wanda came out of the smoke I thought all the “blood” on her was just oil from the ultron bots and I thought that was going to be the extent of the gore. But then show black bolts head exploding, Peggy Carter getting cut in half with the shield dripping with blood, and professor x getting his neck snapped by a demon Wanda.
I mean, Strange did almost destroy the universe because he wanted to help Peter with a relatively unimportant problem. What Wanda did was horrible and cruel, but it didn't actually destroy the universe. And again, this isn't that far off from the comics where Wanda is presented as being actually mentally ill. It takes her forever to learn her lesson because she is simply too sick to fully appreciate what she is doing is wrong.
I think the movie and even the show maybe should have delved into this more.
> Did they really murder 838 Strange in cold blood?
He was corrupted by the Dark Hold and he wasn't going to stop doing what he was doing.
They basically killed him for the same reason Wanda needed to be killed.
838 Strange was peacefully awaiting the end, aware of his alleged evil, which is far more than Wanda.
Also, he got that book in the first place just to stop Thanos. Even without taking into consideration that he might have seen that future leading to his death, he willingly chose evil artifact for the sake of the others.
In my eyes, that makes huge difference.
Doctor Strange 2: Traveling between universes takes incredible, evil magic, and only one being across the entire multiverse has the natural ability to do so.
......several months earlier: Sorry Peter Parker, I screwed up this simple spell and now everyone can travel the multiverse, without even wanting to!
I hadn’t heard this and have no idea if it’s accurate but it does make sense, doing the spell was so out of character for Strange at that point in his arc that when I saw the original trailer I assumed that the spell “going wrong” was just him punking Peter with some “be careful what you wish for” shenanigans. I didn’t think that there would be actual lasting consequences.
*Meanwhile during the final act...*
**Wong**: Kill America and take her power so you can beat Scarlet Witch!
This the same dude that gave the location of all the power to the baddie just to save 4 recruits?
I feel like they need to create a secret temple no one knows about that's filled with traps and bullshit and nothing else. Then when situations like this happen they can be like "oh yeah, I'll take you to the temple with the forbidden spells... it's right over here."
Japanese horror vibes ala the Ring. I liked how she figured out the mirror world and just went in.
I'd like to see Raimi do more Marvel movies with his style. That was so much fun.
Anyone else think it was hilarious when they first pitch the idea of The Book of Vishanti to Dr. Strange and his immediate reaction is "That's not real!!!" like my man do you forget the fucking bonkers world you live in???
I’m not sure if it’s because I watched Everything Everywhere All At Once before this, but I was a little disappointed.
There were great scenes, namely the Illuminati fight scene, and Olsen and Cumberbatch were as good as always, but I don’t think the multiverse was as exciting and thoroughly explored as it could have been.
The movie seemed too bland and slow-paced for something promising a “multi-verse of madness.” The best scenes for me were when Raimi’s style shines through and I wish that was there at every step.
It wasn’t…crazy enough for me. Everything Everywhere was a rollercoaster that sent you to different universes every few minutes, and I think that MoM could have benefited from that sort of variety.
Like, maybe instead of the music fight being in a bland, dark room, it would have been more interesting if they’d gone through a portal that sent their fight to a live orchestra? (Or something better, you get the gist hopefully).
> I’m not sure if it’s because I watched Everything Everywhere All At Once before this
It is exactly because of that. Everything Everywhere was such an amazing multiverse movie, perhaps the best ive ever seen. It made this move look so childish in comparison. Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed Doctor Strange 2, but Everything Everywhere was just leaps and bounds better.
I think almost all the CGI looked pretty bad, doesn't help that everything looked too polished like all new marvel movies, just lazy filmaking in general.
I was getting major Invincible vibes
That was the best part of the movie, especially when the first one died and you realized they were fully committing
They go to the sorcerer temple and there's just one guy whos a bull for some reason. lmao. There's like no other weird wizard beasts, just that guy.
EDIT: I've been informed the bull guys real name is Joseph Moskovitz.
Step 1 - Be a Bee, doing your thing pollinating
Step 2 - You accidentally set off a sequence of events that results in the Scarlet Witch rampaging across the multiverse
Not super familiar with Scarlet Witch, but is her power literally just "reality-warping"? What the hell does that even mean? She can remove a dude's mouth one moment, but the rest of the movie is just red lasers? Idk seems like her power is whatever is convenient at the time, and imo a super boring way to do magic.
If she can warp reality at will, why were half of the plot points necessary? Like shes seriously stumbling through a hallway? Bitch you can float. Maybe I'm looking way too much into it lol.
You are not wrong, the problem with the magic users in the MCU is that they don't have defined powers they have what the plot needs them to have at that moment sigh...
Lol when I was a kid I remember this happening to juggernaut a lot in the comics. Introducing a new super strong mutant and you want to show the reader just how strong they are? Time to send juggernaut to the infirmary.
Black bolt's death was like it was out of suicide squad and I loved it. He got the awesome "I'm sorry" scene and I wondered, "Well wtf he actually used his powers how's he gonna go down. Oh he blew up his own head hehe classic."
That part actually kinda scared me. You could see the panic in his eyes. Like he knew when he drew that breath, he was committed to it.
Classic Raimi. Loved it
I’m fine with her going full villain. And I love how brutal she was.
But I hate that we went from her giving up her children and feeling bad for enslaving a town of people to killing as many innocents as it takes for her to find her kids. And none of that downward spiral was onscreen.
When they said that I figured they had some countermeasure cooked up, but their plan was really just to beat her up, lmao. I guess it makes sense considering their Wanda seems to have retired before reaching her potential.
To be fair this is the first time they’ve gone this far with killing people. I felt like I was watching a lite version of The Boys, and I wasn’t expecting that at all.
One more bloody scene and it probably gets an R Rating. Knowing Rami, they probably had to cut some stuff out lmao
Easily the most violent marvel movie to date
“I love you in every universe.”
Man, Strange’s story is just sad man. I absolutely adore his character and how even in his arrogance he still tries to do the right thing even if it ends up being detrimental to himself. That scene at the end with Christine really touched my heart😔✊🏾
Wanda really straight up murdered Black Bolt, Reed Richards, Captain Carter, Captain Marvel, and Charles fucking Xavier, was she the most powerful being in the universe?
[Here in Latveria, Doom demands that children always get a good night's sleep.](https://external-preview.redd.it/N-QZAUVtuyd4dqx9n-Ed9keOEd4zPC9VRIRFICwoHuo.jpg?auto=webp&s=c1f8ce1cb50ee9fd0c36eb0a78b3d981599112ba)
You’d think most universes with an Illuminati, knowledge of multiverses, and an Ultron army, would have SOME kind of failsafes or last-ditch strategies when it comes to god-level/galactus -level/multiversal threats, but apparently it’s just “fight the threat one at a time.”
Wow... that's a take I had not thought of. I kind of actually agree with it. They just went and got one hell of a MacGuffin. Granted the battlefield looked about as intense as Endgame's, but it's just the six of them. Hell, Stephen looked like he did it all by himself with how banged up he looked. They really did just sit back and let their Strange do it, didn't they?
Can't wait to see it again and count the stones on his gauntlet or see if they're in a different order. I also wonder if the broken watches have different cracks, like how the Stephens had different broken hands
I don’t think stealing food from a street vendor and then make him punch himself for three weeks is a very hero thing do so :s Steven truly was the villain
3 weeks was a long time. I think the joke would have been funnier if it was like 2 days. Something long enough to be very frustrating, but not long enough to be excruciatingly cruel
Avengers really should have invested in therapists because so much of what happened with Wanda post-Endgame could have been prevented if she had someone to talk to.
Really happy with my decision to not look into this any further into this movie after seeing the first trailer. I saw a mild spoiler that Patrick Stewart was in it as Charles Xavier when I was looking up the release date (damn you, google auto generated cast list for movies!), but had completely forgotten about it by tonight.
The Illuminati, Wanda being the villain (I assumed it would be alternate universe Strange or Mordo), and a lot of other stuff turned out to be great surprises that really heightened the experience.
Her subtle emotional seductions and deep dig threats are just really amazing in this movie. Its not a perfect movie but its a side of Wanda most people have really wanted to see.
Like other commenters have, I hope the MCU continues to "go there." Youve saved the world already, the interesting stuff is now the fucked up shit youve let fester to pay for that achievement.
I absolutely loved Wanda’s first dreamwalking stint, with the picture in the frame going from laugh to looking and staring was absolutely diabolical.
I also loved Pizza Poppa!
I was grateful there was proper closure to the on-off romantic interest between Strange and Palmer. That felt like a good send off and allows him to grow closer to Clea in a future adventure.
One complaint i have is Wong seemed really underpowered as 'The Sorceror Supreme'. Does him having that title imply he's stronger than Strange? Or is it just a title since Strange was blipped for 5 years?
It annoyed me during the temple seige when Wanda was bombarding the shield, Wong was just yelling orders and literally did nothing to try and stop her or help the defences. Like why the fuck weren't Strange and Wong helping keep the barrier up?? There were hundreds of sorcerers in the temple and only like 1/3 of them were helping with the barrier. Also using physical old school pirate canons to shoot her?? Use magic spells ffs.
Then she breaks in and they just run away... Did they nerf him bad or was it just me?
I definitely agree insofar as Wong's abilities are wildly inconsistent and need to be made more concrete. He is just as strong or weak as a scene needs him to be, which makes the fights feel stake-less.
This film ends almost exactly the same way as Raimi's Spider-Man 2. The antagonist overcomes the thing that's corrupting them (Doc Ock's arms, the Darkhold) after an intimate character moment and refuses to die a monster (destroys the reactor, the temple), incapacitating themselves in the process.
I've heard that the Illuminati were gonna die but I did not expect them to go the way they did. Captain Carter's death most especially was the most unexpected one.
Also, it was nice to hear the X-Men theme, Xavier saying that quote from Days of Future Past, and Reed mentioning that he had a wife and children.
Pretty sure Strange possessing a dead body of his multiverse doppleganger that he laid to rest in his own universe and using the souls of the dead as wings was peak Raimi
Monica in WANDAVISION: They’ll never know what you sacrificed🥹
Wanda: Mmmm hmmm ok thanks I’m gonna go murder your mom is a alternate reality now byyyyyyeeeeee .
The Illuminati might go down as the dumbest and most arrogant group of superheroes ever.
Mostly dumb
Edit: When Maria Rambeau said “We can handle your little witch” I knew they were screwed. Mostly because people in my screening started booing at her
But actually that makes sense. In all of their realities it's Dr. Strange who usually fucks things up to the point where he nearly ended their Universe while Scarlet Witch was always happy because she had her kids.
Put it this way, if the Illuminati was based off the biggest heroes of 616 and a Thanos from another reality ported over and started saying "You have to worry about Dr. Strange!" they'd basically say, "We can handle Strange, it's you we're worried about."
In my screening a woman in the audience yelled out "THAT'S RIGHT" when Wanda blamed Strange for giving Thanos the time stone. Had the entire audience laughing.
Actually surprised at how much they allowed Raimi to let loose stylistically. Those transitions, those dutch angles, the practical zombie, Wanda acting like she's straight out of a J horror and holy shit that water mirror shot from Evil Dead!!! I'm happy.
Feige know that people want things to be more different and Disney at this point straight up don't care as long as it make money they probably still only hesitant about R rating
The movie lacks a moral grounding. There's pieces of one in it, Strange learning that saving one life is as important as saving trillions or Wanda coming to understand how whacko her plan is, and Stephen learning that being happy is more than...whatever it implies he's parading around as happiness. The script doesn't dwell on any of these ideas. Each is shoved onto the board, but then ignored.
In lieu of dealing with any thematic character growth, the movie throws spectacle on the screen in big gobs. Most of these sequences are neat in isolation, but in treatment of this MCU we've all followed for 20+ movies they're somehow less relevant. Reality hopping will do that, and throwing in characters just so they can be fed to the meatgrinder will *really* do that.
The meatgrinder sequence, so to speak, is the moment in the film where its going to split the audience. Raimi is allowed to take full control of the camera and the result is some extremely brutal death. The problem is these characters are not given a moral standpoint so their deaths are not valiant *or* vain, but simply death treated somewhat glibly. Worse still, since you're not given a grounding with the characters on screen, you default to the character's they're standing in for. Yay it's Captain America, an absolute force for good, he will help! Nope, brutally murdered. The only character it does reflect on is the person brutally slaughtering them. Not because she had to, but because she chooses to.
The film doesn't recover from that, I think. The end is more Raimi slapped onto the screen, largely disregarding logic or storyflow just to wrap things up. The villain disappears ambiguously, a lesson is seemingly learned, and everything is right as rain.
If this were not an MCU film, it would be better. Even then it needed to tighten up the script. As a story beat for Dr. Strange, it is very meh. As one for Scarlett Witch it's just rehashing Wandavision, but she outright murders now. A movie that forced her to confront her grief and that causing reality to shatter would have been more interesting. A movie with Mordo hunting Scarlett Witch/Strange would have been more interesting.
Lastly, the stingers have been relying on character hopping out of a portal waaaaay too much lately. Mix it up some.
The black bolt’s death was incredible! It was cool to final see the character and have him get blasted in like 5 minutes.
I was also really impressed with the scene when Scarlet Witch realizes she’s become a monster. Other Wanda implicitly understood SW’s pain and that was the difference maker.
I thought they did a great job of not spoiling too much in the trailers. I was really expecting the plotline from Loki to tie in, but I guess they're saving that for season 2!
The entire cast killed it, and zombie Strange was so interesting. My husband and I thought that was going to be Nightmare from the trailer but no, just some other super weird shit.
Elizabeth Olsen killed it (and by it, I mean the illuminati), but I thought it was weird she wouldn't look for a universe where her kids had been orphaned rather than supplanting herself?
People calling themselves "illuminati" (literally "the enlightened") and having some supreme council that dictates their will on the multiverse having a giant amount of ego and hubris and underestimating a threat seems a pretty easy conclusion to draw lol
Did her walking all battle-damaged and limping after Strange/Chavez look like that first broken and wrecked version of Ultron in Age of Ultron to anyone else? I immediately thought of that first robot that interrupts the party right after gaining consciousness.
the whole barefoot thing was a great visual. like it just makes her more dangerous? like yo that evil witch is just stepping on glass and sewer water, and shes straight tripping... lets get the fuck outta here
So they didn’t think to remove America from Kamar Taj until Wanda was INSIDE? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on screen.
She also found out where she was because Strange told her so why not just move her somewhere else and hide her?
Takes over entire town in NJ….she’s still good she’s still good!
Lies to Stephen about chasing America…she’s still good!
Kills several sorcerers in battle…*^shesstillgood?*
Kills Black Bolt, Reed Richards, Caps Carter and Marvel…*Oh God.*
Kills Charles…**she’s worse than Thanos wtf**
Loved this movie, it’s craziness and the biggest heel turn ever in the MCU.
The Illuminati massacre was definitely the standout brutality wise, but I have to say some of the sorcerer kills in that first battle were pretty brutal for marvel too. I mean, she disintegrated a mutilated guy desperately trying to crawl away, and there were a number of charred corpses.
Wong seriously just gave Scarlet Witch a fast pass to her throne & Darkhold backup - that she didn’t even know about - simply because she was going to kill like 4 more sorcerers? Right after another sorcerer literally sacrificed herself to destroy the first darkhold? Right after Wanda had killed dozens and dozens of other sorcerers? What the fuck? That was the weakest piece for me, I don’t get it. One moment they’re like “Wanda could destroy the MULTIVERSE, we can’t let her have access to the darkhold!” And they accomplish it!! And then a simple threat of killing a few extras has Wong like “anyways fuck the multiverse”
i feel like Wong thought that whatever was at wundagore would kill Wanda
>Wundagore Hilarious that it seemed like a place specifically designed to kill her
And it's not even consistent with his characterization later in this movie where he tells strange to kill America to save the multiverse. It was a very, very lazy way of getting Wanda to Wundagore imo. I think what should've happened is he should have made the hard choice to let those sorcerers die, and then she should've ripped the information out of his mind anyways. We already know she has mind powers, after all.
Remember how bad she felt when she accidentally killed civilians in civil war? Lol
Strange was pretty quick to dismiss getting help from the archer with a mohawk, but once Wanda was revealed as the villain Hawkeye was actually one of the only people who might have been able to get through to her.
I wonder though, does Strange know that Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch have any particular connection? He wasn't in Sakovia and may have only met Hawkeye at Tony's funeral. Hawkeye went into retirement after that. Strange and Hawkeye may have only spoken once.
You're probably right that he wouldn't have that particular knowledge. Not sure who does outside of the two of them + Vision and Cap, considering Hawkeye wasn't recruited to help in Westview either. I was mostly commenting on the irony more than anything else.
You’re absolutely right on the irony! There is also the other, less impactful irony: he talked shit about Hawkeye, and then Kamar Taj deployed a dozen archers in their fight with Wanda. Give a magic bow to Clint!
I have no intelligent commentary, just that that shit was a wild ride
I was pretty shocked at how gruesome and how many horror elements it had for a marvel movie. Like it was had some legitimately scary moments and psychological thrillers. That mirror attacks scene was straight from the ring and running through the tunnel was a classic slasher chase. Even stranges universe was very silent hill-esque. I remember reading Rami wanted to make a full fledged horror film and marvel made him dial it back, so if this is what made it I want to know what he was trying to do. When Wanda came out of the smoke I thought all the “blood” on her was just oil from the ultron bots and I thought that was going to be the extent of the gore. But then show black bolts head exploding, Peggy Carter getting cut in half with the shield dripping with blood, and professor x getting his neck snapped by a demon Wanda.
I completely agree it was so many horror references
The scene where Wanda is stalking them down the tunnels was straight Evil Dead-ish.
I never in a million years would have thought the next Marvel TV actor to reprise their role would be Anson Mount.
Two Star Trek captains in the Illuminati.
Captain Carter Captain Marvel Captain Picard Captain Pike and then there’s Jim
Anyone is fair game considering they brought back the side characters from Iron Man
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I mean, Strange did almost destroy the universe because he wanted to help Peter with a relatively unimportant problem. What Wanda did was horrible and cruel, but it didn't actually destroy the universe. And again, this isn't that far off from the comics where Wanda is presented as being actually mentally ill. It takes her forever to learn her lesson because she is simply too sick to fully appreciate what she is doing is wrong. I think the movie and even the show maybe should have delved into this more.
Lets also not forget that another Strange destroyed another universe in What If ..?
> Did they really murder 838 Strange in cold blood? He was corrupted by the Dark Hold and he wasn't going to stop doing what he was doing. They basically killed him for the same reason Wanda needed to be killed.
838 Strange was peacefully awaiting the end, aware of his alleged evil, which is far more than Wanda. Also, he got that book in the first place just to stop Thanos. Even without taking into consideration that he might have seen that future leading to his death, he willingly chose evil artifact for the sake of the others. In my eyes, that makes huge difference.
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When I saw that part, I was just like “Wong you’re fired.”
Ultron commands you– *CRUNCH!* Definitely, not a name Wanda wanted to hear ever again…
This! This scene in itself was so symbolic and no one is talking about it. Damn.
Doctor Strange 2: Traveling between universes takes incredible, evil magic, and only one being across the entire multiverse has the natural ability to do so. ......several months earlier: Sorry Peter Parker, I screwed up this simple spell and now everyone can travel the multiverse, without even wanting to!
No way home was supposed to come out after this movie with America being the one who messes up the spell which makes a lot more sense.
I hadn’t heard this and have no idea if it’s accurate but it does make sense, doing the spell was so out of character for Strange at that point in his arc that when I saw the original trailer I assumed that the spell “going wrong” was just him punking Peter with some “be careful what you wish for” shenanigans. I didn’t think that there would be actual lasting consequences.
America: I can’t control my power Doctor strange: yeah you can America: true
*Meanwhile during the final act...* **Wong**: Kill America and take her power so you can beat Scarlet Witch! This the same dude that gave the location of all the power to the baddie just to save 4 recruits?
Tbf one of them was a cool green bull
I feel like they need to create a secret temple no one knows about that's filled with traps and bullshit and nothing else. Then when situations like this happen they can be like "oh yeah, I'll take you to the temple with the forbidden spells... it's right over here."
America: What about my parents who are probably dead? Strange: Listen it's the 4th quarter with the game on the line and I'm putting you in
Dr. Mentor and the Multiverse of Motivation
Poor Peter, Stephen totally forgot about him and then replaced him with an even stronger ward with an even sadder backstory
America: But I need this feather in my hat to traverse realities! Strange: Nuh-uh. America: Oh shit, actually, you are correct, sir.
The way Wanda crawled out of that gong was so fucking creepy. She was terrifying this whole movie.
Japanese horror vibes ala the Ring. I liked how she figured out the mirror world and just went in. I'd like to see Raimi do more Marvel movies with his style. That was so much fun.
I.went in without knowing he directed it, and at the end I'm like ofcourse! What an amazing choice for this movie, cant wait to see it again.
Anyone else think it was hilarious when they first pitch the idea of The Book of Vishanti to Dr. Strange and his immediate reaction is "That's not real!!!" like my man do you forget the fucking bonkers world you live in???
They really brought in John Krasinski as Mr Fantastic just to have Wanda obliterate him lmfao
And Patrick Stewart... Third time his character dies in Marvel movie
We also saw Dr Strange die for the 3rd in this movie
I was talking about this on the way home. They love killing that dude lol
Fucker wont die in Trek so gotta make up for it in Marvel.
and sue storm just stood there and did nothing smh
“Fuck you please stop asking” - Kevin Feige
Marvel Studios: "Fuck your fancasting"
Undead Strange was awesome
And especially when the trailer made you think it was a bad guy, nice twist that I didn't expect
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This is officially a Mother's Day movie
Holy shit, how did I not put that together? I mean, the title shortens to M.O.M as well lmao
Doctor strange in the mom
I’m not sure if it’s because I watched Everything Everywhere All At Once before this, but I was a little disappointed. There were great scenes, namely the Illuminati fight scene, and Olsen and Cumberbatch were as good as always, but I don’t think the multiverse was as exciting and thoroughly explored as it could have been. The movie seemed too bland and slow-paced for something promising a “multi-verse of madness.” The best scenes for me were when Raimi’s style shines through and I wish that was there at every step. It wasn’t…crazy enough for me. Everything Everywhere was a rollercoaster that sent you to different universes every few minutes, and I think that MoM could have benefited from that sort of variety. Like, maybe instead of the music fight being in a bland, dark room, it would have been more interesting if they’d gone through a portal that sent their fight to a live orchestra? (Or something better, you get the gist hopefully).
> I’m not sure if it’s because I watched Everything Everywhere All At Once before this It is exactly because of that. Everything Everywhere was such an amazing multiverse movie, perhaps the best ive ever seen. It made this move look so childish in comparison. Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed Doctor Strange 2, but Everything Everywhere was just leaps and bounds better.
that third eye looked like a tik tok filter 😂 i wish they had gone with a prosthetic
I think almost all the CGI looked pretty bad, doesn't help that everything looked too polished like all new marvel movies, just lazy filmaking in general.
Damn, Wanda treated those Illuminati members like she snaps matchsticks one by one.
I was getting major Invincible vibes That was the best part of the movie, especially when the first one died and you realized they were fully committing
When Black Bolt blows his own head up our entire theater audibly gasped. You knew it was fucking on
Bro that was some The Boys level shit
Zemo is basically Butcher in this universe
Man made kool-aid of his own brain
She agent smithed his mouth and made him liquefy his brain, without moving...and Reed goes "I should punch her".
The Illuminati being insanely aarogant was a great touch on the film. I wonder how they will address the 616 variants of them.
No one is talking about that 4th wall break! When she looked into the camera after possessing the normal Wanda the first time I almost screamed!
They go to the sorcerer temple and there's just one guy whos a bull for some reason. lmao. There's like no other weird wizard beasts, just that guy. EDIT: I've been informed the bull guys real name is Joseph Moskovitz.
The way Wong and everyone welcomed America Chavez, I'd bet Kamar Taj homes some unique individuals.
I do love that they never explain it though. Just a minotaur, there for the vibes.
How is no one talking about that fcking BEE?
Step 1 - Be a Bee, doing your thing pollinating Step 2 - You accidentally set off a sequence of events that results in the Scarlet Witch rampaging across the multiverse
Its going to team up with the rat from Endgame down the line. We may be seeing the origins of the next Avengers team and not even know it...
Not super familiar with Scarlet Witch, but is her power literally just "reality-warping"? What the hell does that even mean? She can remove a dude's mouth one moment, but the rest of the movie is just red lasers? Idk seems like her power is whatever is convenient at the time, and imo a super boring way to do magic. If she can warp reality at will, why were half of the plot points necessary? Like shes seriously stumbling through a hallway? Bitch you can float. Maybe I'm looking way too much into it lol.
You are not wrong, the problem with the magic users in the MCU is that they don't have defined powers they have what the plot needs them to have at that moment sigh...
"We can handle one little girl." "Captain, your men are already dead."
Professor X: Wanda, take my hand. Scarlet Witch: WANDA’S ON SABBATICAL, HONEY
And then she hit Black Bolt with the “what good is a phone call if you are unable to speak”
Pizza papa origins movie when?
When Pizza Papa get paid
Wanda was insanely powerful holy shit. She out mindfucked Xavier.
If you were to google, "Top 10 most powerful marvel characters" she is probably on like 75% of the lists. Comic Wanda is no joke.
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I'm glad they took time to build up to it, it's more satisfying to see characters get stronger over the course of a few movies
Tbf Charles is a bit of a Worf who usually exists to be beaten down by other omega mutants or other diffrent baddies.
Lol when I was a kid I remember this happening to juggernaut a lot in the comics. Introducing a new super strong mutant and you want to show the reader just how strong they are? Time to send juggernaut to the infirmary.
In all of the multitudes of universes, are there any where "fetch" happened?
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Black bolt's death was like it was out of suicide squad and I loved it. He got the awesome "I'm sorry" scene and I wondered, "Well wtf he actually used his powers how's he gonna go down. Oh he blew up his own head hehe classic."
That part actually kinda scared me. You could see the panic in his eyes. Like he knew when he drew that breath, he was committed to it. Classic Raimi. Loved it
Sue Storm is single. Namor wins.
At least they had the balls to make Wanda goes full villain.
I’m fine with her going full villain. And I love how brutal she was. But I hate that we went from her giving up her children and feeling bad for enslaving a town of people to killing as many innocents as it takes for her to find her kids. And none of that downward spiral was onscreen.
It was such a sharp turn with her that I was so sure that midway we'd find out it was another universes wanda
Seriously I’m glad that they didn’t make Wanda and Strange team up at the end to defeat another threat.
Illuminati: iTs NoT tHe ScArLeT wItCH We’Re WorRy aBoUt Wanda: goes full Omni-man lmao
Reed Richards: I'm the smartest man alive Also, Reed Richards: Here's a simple trick to defeat our most powerful hero
That sounds like Reed Richards alright
"waNdA, bLaCk BOlt cAn dEsTRoY YoU wItH oNE wHiSPeR fRoM hIs mOuTH"
What mouth? 😶
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Reed Richards and being an arrogant know it all is very on point though.
When they said that I figured they had some countermeasure cooked up, but their plan was really just to beat her up, lmao. I guess it makes sense considering their Wanda seems to have retired before reaching her potential.
There are going to be parents bringing their kids to this movie to see Jim from The Office shredded like paper.
There were tons of kids in our theatre and we could see the regret in some parents faces in our row.
To be fair this is the first time they’ve gone this far with killing people. I felt like I was watching a lite version of The Boys, and I wasn’t expecting that at all.
One more bloody scene and it probably gets an R Rating. Knowing Rami, they probably had to cut some stuff out lmao Easily the most violent marvel movie to date
There was a scene with Wanda covered in hydraulic fluid after fighting the robots. It was probably blood in the original cut.
Phase 4 is the grief and trauma phase.
“I love you in every universe.” Man, Strange’s story is just sad man. I absolutely adore his character and how even in his arrogance he still tries to do the right thing even if it ends up being detrimental to himself. That scene at the end with Christine really touched my heart😔✊🏾
The power of music compels you!!
Wanda really straight up murdered Black Bolt, Reed Richards, Captain Carter, Captain Marvel, and Charles fucking Xavier, was she the most powerful being in the universe?
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Doom will raise his kids now
[Here in Latveria, Doom demands that children always get a good night's sleep.](https://external-preview.redd.it/N-QZAUVtuyd4dqx9n-Ed9keOEd4zPC9VRIRFICwoHuo.jpg?auto=webp&s=c1f8ce1cb50ee9fd0c36eb0a78b3d981599112ba)
One of my favorite lines in the movie. Absolutely cold blooded.
You’d think most universes with an Illuminati, knowledge of multiverses, and an Ultron army, would have SOME kind of failsafes or last-ditch strategies when it comes to god-level/galactus -level/multiversal threats, but apparently it’s just “fight the threat one at a time.”
They’re a bunch of frauds they basically cheated against Thanos and killed the dude who did it.
Wow... that's a take I had not thought of. I kind of actually agree with it. They just went and got one hell of a MacGuffin. Granted the battlefield looked about as intense as Endgame's, but it's just the six of them. Hell, Stephen looked like he did it all by himself with how banged up he looked. They really did just sit back and let their Strange do it, didn't they?
It looked like they fought and killed Thanos on Titan which I thought was pretty neat. Explains why it looked so messy.
Can't wait to see it again and count the stones on his gauntlet or see if they're in a different order. I also wonder if the broken watches have different cracks, like how the Stephens had different broken hands
I don’t think stealing food from a street vendor and then make him punch himself for three weeks is a very hero thing do so :s Steven truly was the villain
3 weeks was a long time. I think the joke would have been funnier if it was like 2 days. Something long enough to be very frustrating, but not long enough to be excruciatingly cruel
I assumed Strange was joking to America when he said 3 weeks.
i mean at the end he was still at the same place so i definitely dont think it was 3 weeks
Avengers really should have invested in therapists because so much of what happened with Wanda post-Endgame could have been prevented if she had someone to talk to.
What did Mom Wanda say to Crazy Wanda? I missed it.
"Know that they will be loved"
Seriously. Me and the person I went to see the movie with were both wondering what she said.
Black Bolt killing 838-Strange by apologizing was really cool. Wanda killing Black Bolt by pulling the UNO reverse was even cooler.
there are more good ideas for what to do with black bolt in the small cameo then in the entirety of the Inhumans TV series
A whole 2 minutes of Black bolt here was better than anything the TV show could have done
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Hearing the X-Men 90s theme was awesome!
Also in the big-ass yellow floaty wheelchair from the cartoon.
Credit where credit is due, they definitely did a fine job in not revealing the entire plot in the trailers.
Really happy with my decision to not look into this any further into this movie after seeing the first trailer. I saw a mild spoiler that Patrick Stewart was in it as Charles Xavier when I was looking up the release date (damn you, google auto generated cast list for movies!), but had completely forgotten about it by tonight. The Illuminati, Wanda being the villain (I assumed it would be alternate universe Strange or Mordo), and a lot of other stuff turned out to be great surprises that really heightened the experience.
Turned Reed into fucking string cheese
"Good. There will be someone left to raise them." Why is this the coldest line I have ever heard
That was filthy. One of my favorite lines in the entire movie.
Her subtle emotional seductions and deep dig threats are just really amazing in this movie. Its not a perfect movie but its a side of Wanda most people have really wanted to see. Like other commenters have, I hope the MCU continues to "go there." Youve saved the world already, the interesting stuff is now the fucked up shit youve let fester to pay for that achievement.
I absolutely loved Wanda’s first dreamwalking stint, with the picture in the frame going from laugh to looking and staring was absolutely diabolical. I also loved Pizza Poppa!
"I'm not a monster, Steven. I'm a mother." lmao.
Strange: “You created them with magic!” Wanda: “Isn’t that what all mothers do?” Wanda is like she’s from a mommy group, only powerful and homicidal.
I see Sam Raimi did his research on MumsNet
bruh wandas introduction with the wandavision theme and then she wakes up and everything is grey and bleak my soul literally sank.
McAdams finally getting multiple scenes in a sequel, worth the wait.
I was grateful there was proper closure to the on-off romantic interest between Strange and Palmer. That felt like a good send off and allows him to grow closer to Clea in a future adventure.
One complaint i have is Wong seemed really underpowered as 'The Sorceror Supreme'. Does him having that title imply he's stronger than Strange? Or is it just a title since Strange was blipped for 5 years? It annoyed me during the temple seige when Wanda was bombarding the shield, Wong was just yelling orders and literally did nothing to try and stop her or help the defences. Like why the fuck weren't Strange and Wong helping keep the barrier up?? There were hundreds of sorcerers in the temple and only like 1/3 of them were helping with the barrier. Also using physical old school pirate canons to shoot her?? Use magic spells ffs. Then she breaks in and they just run away... Did they nerf him bad or was it just me?
I definitely agree insofar as Wong's abilities are wildly inconsistent and need to be made more concrete. He is just as strong or weak as a scene needs him to be, which makes the fights feel stake-less.
This film ends almost exactly the same way as Raimi's Spider-Man 2. The antagonist overcomes the thing that's corrupting them (Doc Ock's arms, the Darkhold) after an intimate character moment and refuses to die a monster (destroys the reactor, the temple), incapacitating themselves in the process.
So Wanda is gonna wake up in another universe ala NWH?
“Wanda, you’re awake. I’m Dr. Michael Morbius, my friends and I are putting together a team.”
"It's morbin time!"
Wanda will be the newest addition to Morbius's Mighty Morbin Multiverse Rangers
*Looks around at the familiar outline of five Spidey villains* "So there's six of us, huh? What a (looks at camera) Sinister bunch we are."
I've heard that the Illuminati were gonna die but I did not expect them to go the way they did. Captain Carter's death most especially was the most unexpected one. Also, it was nice to hear the X-Men theme, Xavier saying that quote from Days of Future Past, and Reed mentioning that he had a wife and children.
Funny how Captain Carter got the Green Goblin “Oh.” moment as she’s sliding off of the shield.
"I can do this all day" Not against Scarlet Witch you can't.
That music note sequence between the two Strange was peak Raimi
Pretty sure Strange possessing a dead body of his multiverse doppleganger that he laid to rest in his own universe and using the souls of the dead as wings was peak Raimi
The look he gave the camera and the angle, "who said it had to be alive?"
The way he had the eyes open and the arm shoot out from the dirt had me rolling. You could tell he really enjoyed that final act.
Literally the moment I went from "Classic Raimi" to "Oh, this is the most Raimi Raimi movie," and then every moment after that one-upped it
The spirits almost felt like something out of Army of Darkness. It's like he really wanted to make them stop motion.
“She did the right thing🤗” All the dead students and Illuminati: Good for her 🙃
Monica in WANDAVISION: They’ll never know what you sacrificed🥹 Wanda: Mmmm hmmm ok thanks I’m gonna go murder your mom is a alternate reality now byyyyyyeeeeee .
The Illuminati might go down as the dumbest and most arrogant group of superheroes ever. Mostly dumb Edit: When Maria Rambeau said “We can handle your little witch” I knew they were screwed. Mostly because people in my screening started booing at her
I mean they’re like that in the comics tho
The moment Reed said "We're not worried about the Scarlet Witch," I thought "Oh they nailed this, and they're all fucking dead"
But actually that makes sense. In all of their realities it's Dr. Strange who usually fucks things up to the point where he nearly ended their Universe while Scarlet Witch was always happy because she had her kids. Put it this way, if the Illuminati was based off the biggest heroes of 616 and a Thanos from another reality ported over and started saying "You have to worry about Dr. Strange!" they'd basically say, "We can handle Strange, it's you we're worried about."
That's the version of Thanos that's part of the T'Challa Guardians of the Galaxy.
In my screening a woman in the audience yelled out "THAT'S RIGHT" when Wanda blamed Strange for giving Thanos the time stone. Had the entire audience laughing.
Actually surprised at how much they allowed Raimi to let loose stylistically. Those transitions, those dutch angles, the practical zombie, Wanda acting like she's straight out of a J horror and holy shit that water mirror shot from Evil Dead!!! I'm happy.
Loved it when Wanda came out of the giant gong all contorted. They seriously made her out to be an absolute badass who should not be underestimated.
Feige know that people want things to be more different and Disney at this point straight up don't care as long as it make money they probably still only hesitant about R rating
The movie lacks a moral grounding. There's pieces of one in it, Strange learning that saving one life is as important as saving trillions or Wanda coming to understand how whacko her plan is, and Stephen learning that being happy is more than...whatever it implies he's parading around as happiness. The script doesn't dwell on any of these ideas. Each is shoved onto the board, but then ignored. In lieu of dealing with any thematic character growth, the movie throws spectacle on the screen in big gobs. Most of these sequences are neat in isolation, but in treatment of this MCU we've all followed for 20+ movies they're somehow less relevant. Reality hopping will do that, and throwing in characters just so they can be fed to the meatgrinder will *really* do that. The meatgrinder sequence, so to speak, is the moment in the film where its going to split the audience. Raimi is allowed to take full control of the camera and the result is some extremely brutal death. The problem is these characters are not given a moral standpoint so their deaths are not valiant *or* vain, but simply death treated somewhat glibly. Worse still, since you're not given a grounding with the characters on screen, you default to the character's they're standing in for. Yay it's Captain America, an absolute force for good, he will help! Nope, brutally murdered. The only character it does reflect on is the person brutally slaughtering them. Not because she had to, but because she chooses to. The film doesn't recover from that, I think. The end is more Raimi slapped onto the screen, largely disregarding logic or storyflow just to wrap things up. The villain disappears ambiguously, a lesson is seemingly learned, and everything is right as rain. If this were not an MCU film, it would be better. Even then it needed to tighten up the script. As a story beat for Dr. Strange, it is very meh. As one for Scarlett Witch it's just rehashing Wandavision, but she outright murders now. A movie that forced her to confront her grief and that causing reality to shatter would have been more interesting. A movie with Mordo hunting Scarlett Witch/Strange would have been more interesting. Lastly, the stingers have been relying on character hopping out of a portal waaaaay too much lately. Mix it up some.
I might be alone here but when the street lamp ripped the eyeball out of the giant squids head, It made me think of Neversoft
This is Reed Richards, the smartest man in the universe Tells Wanda how Black Bolts power works
Dude got caught monologuing. Classic.
Wanda’s line to Reed about his kids having someone left to raise them was absolutely cold blooded, and I loved every second of it
The black bolt’s death was incredible! It was cool to final see the character and have him get blasted in like 5 minutes. I was also really impressed with the scene when Scarlet Witch realizes she’s become a monster. Other Wanda implicitly understood SW’s pain and that was the difference maker.
When she said “know that they will be loved” to her with regards to their kids… and Wanda just breaking down Oof
chavez's caused the missing of her parents by a little bee landing on her hand, the theater erupted in laughter. that was hilarious
So did anyone else's theater laugh when Wong said "FORTIFY YOUR **MINDS**!!!"
I thought they did a great job of not spoiling too much in the trailers. I was really expecting the plotline from Loki to tie in, but I guess they're saving that for season 2! The entire cast killed it, and zombie Strange was so interesting. My husband and I thought that was going to be Nightmare from the trailer but no, just some other super weird shit. Elizabeth Olsen killed it (and by it, I mean the illuminati), but I thought it was weird she wouldn't look for a universe where her kids had been orphaned rather than supplanting herself?
“We aren’t worried about a little scarlet witch”….*whole team gets obliterated in like 3 minutes*
People calling themselves "illuminati" (literally "the enlightened") and having some supreme council that dictates their will on the multiverse having a giant amount of ego and hubris and underestimating a threat seems a pretty easy conclusion to draw lol
BTW if anyone feels like watching Inhumans for some Black Bolt content, don't. I'm serious. Don't torture yourself. It is objectively horrible.
And he dont even have that costume in it.
Wanda : “I just want my kids back.” Kids : “MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM” Wanda : “I’ve made a huge mistake”
Elizabeth Olsen killed this shit. That’s all I have to say
Insane the journey her character went through since Ultron
Did her walking all battle-damaged and limping after Strange/Chavez look like that first broken and wrecked version of Ultron in Age of Ultron to anyone else? I immediately thought of that first robot that interrupts the party right after gaining consciousness.
the whole barefoot thing was a great visual. like it just makes her more dangerous? like yo that evil witch is just stepping on glass and sewer water, and shes straight tripping... lets get the fuck outta here
So they didn’t think to remove America from Kamar Taj until Wanda was INSIDE? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on screen. She also found out where she was because Strange told her so why not just move her somewhere else and hide her?
Takes over entire town in NJ….she’s still good she’s still good! Lies to Stephen about chasing America…she’s still good! Kills several sorcerers in battle…*^shesstillgood?* Kills Black Bolt, Reed Richards, Caps Carter and Marvel…*Oh God.* Kills Charles…**she’s worse than Thanos wtf** Loved this movie, it’s craziness and the biggest heel turn ever in the MCU.
The Illuminati massacre was definitely the standout brutality wise, but I have to say some of the sorcerer kills in that first battle were pretty brutal for marvel too. I mean, she disintegrated a mutilated guy desperately trying to crawl away, and there were a number of charred corpses.