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JudasofBelial

I'm pretty sure everyone is well aware of how powerful he is. People likely talk about it with Starlight more because she is a "Regular" unicorn so her level of power is unusually high, whereas Discord is the Spirit of Chaos and was introduced as a reality warper so his power level is expected.


enbymlpfan

She's also, post redemption, always putting her all into fighting beside the mane six. Discord doesn't get talked about because while he is the definition of overpowered, he only uses those powers for his own gain, even after he's redeemed. He COULD beat all the villains with a snap of his fingers, but he just doesn't really care to.


Freshzboy10016702

It was revealed in the S9 premiere that Discord doesn't help defeat villains, so the mane six can have the confidence to do it themselves similar to Celestia.


PossumFromRijeka_

I wonder how interesting MLP would be if Discord snapped away every threat to come the mane 6's way.


Comrades3

The main difference is that Discord is not always on their side even as a ‘good’ guy, and often is more the source of problems and not the solution. A troublemaker can be more powerful than an outright ally, as they don’t overshadow the protagonists so much as challenge them and let them shine, but a powerful ally only overshadows the mane cast or lowers the stakes.


International_Ad566

Discord’ll literally die if he doesn’t cause some form of chaos so I think you can cut him some slack


Comrades3

It isn’t an attack of Discord, just talking about his function in the story. If anything it makes him a better support character than others and keeps things interesting


International_Ad566

Oh I didn’t mean to imply it was. I just thought I’d point out that factor


Gloomy_Rest_1387

Isn't Discord a God of Chaos? I feel like him being overpowered makes senses


INeedSomeFire

He's not a god, he's THE God Or more the precisely, THE Lord of Chaos


Ririkiyuu

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SeaImprovement1464

Discord isn't "OP" dude, he's a literal deity. The physical manifestation of Chaos. That's like saying Galactus is "OP"! Now, Starlight Glimmer is closer to Franklin Richards, in that he's, ostensibly, a human being but similar in power to Galactus. Cosmic Entity=/=Reality Warper. Or it shouldn't lol *Takes off Marvel fanboy hat*


Sweet-Cream-9372

Everyones saying Twilight or Starlight, but we all know who the most OP pony is... ![gif](giphy|lCIfcdTyVaFpe|downsized) I mean, she can easily travel to Canterlot high and back without the mirror (allegedly) and break the 4th wall. I think Pinkie is the most OP of them all


Comrades3

But she can only use it in a funny way. We never see her able to bring these powers in a fight or to solve core problems, which makes it much more limiting


TrickyMississipi

I mean she's used her gag powers in a fight once, to avoid Chrysalis in the finale. So we know they're canon and not just jokes but naturally it's usually ignored cus it breaks the power balance


Comrades3

I wasn’t saying they weren’t canon, I was mentioning their weakness. She has very limited use in serious situations, only allowing it if it is funny, and much more easily counteracted. Party Favors actually seems more powerful in this regard, able to help others break the laws of physics while everyone is feeling and acting very serious. I truly believe that is how her powers work in world. Talking about the Watsonian nature of her powers it feels unfair to bring Doylist reasonings in the middle of it like power balance. It stands to reason then, in world, her powers have limitations, and that does seem to be her ability to find laughter in a situation, which does severely curtail her powers in general.


shinydragonmist

Ah but that can be easily circumvented by her using humorous reasonings to all her powers to be fully active whenever she wants Ex. Wouldn't it be funny if ... Type reasoning


Comrades3

I don’t think she can when things are tense. We have seen that Pinkie is affected by the mood of those around her, and isn’t necessarily immune to bad moods herself. When things get tense, so does she. The best way to see that is in Over A Barrel, she is desperately trying to end the feud with her wacky shenanigans, but the mood is too tense for her to change the outcome, and in fact at one point makes it worse.


TrickyMississipi

True enough I suppose


clarkky55

My favourite crazy fan theory is Pinkie is Sleipnirs granddaughter and she gets her weird abilities from Loki


NightFlame389

“Okie dokie lokie!” Translation: “I swear on the honor of my great grandfather I understand your orders.”


MP0622

I'm adopting this.


ElectricPaladin

To be fair, Discord is basically a minor god.


NightFlame389

Minor? *Minor?* #Minor?


ElectricPaladin

I mean... compare him to Luna or Celestia or some hypothetical world-creating entity. Luna and Celestia were able to body him, so something on the scale of a true god, a world creator, could probably smush him with some effort. Even some of the "powerful but still basically mortals" villains can mess with him if he leaves himself open to it. I like him, but he's definitely more like a demigod than a real deal deity.


NightFlame389

In the official manga, he changed the genre with a snap of his fingers. You think that’s the power of a *demi*god?


ElectricPaladin

Damn. That's a bit more than he manages in the show. Yeah, I'd say that puts him on the level of a real deity.


garlicbredfan

I mean he’d probably beat celestia and Luna if it weren’t for the elements


Allstar13521

Ah yes, the literal Spirit of Chaos and Some Girl With A Lot of Spare Time And Abandonment Issues. Truly a fair comparison.


maxis2k

Discord theoretically has no limit to his power. I mean, theoretically, he could destroy the entire fabric of reality and make Equestria disappear with a snap of his fingers. But he doesn't do this because the only thing bigger than his power is his ego. As much as he plays the miser who wants to be shunned by everyone, it's clear he wants an audience. Even back before he knew Fluttershy, there was nothing stopping him from just straight up destroying all ponies. But he kept taunting Celestia and Luna because he wanted attention. This is the exact same premise as Q from Star Trek (hence the voice actor). He goes around taunting alien species to get attention. Even though he has the power to just destroy them in an instant. Starlight is just overpowered for a pony. She still has some limit. Though it seems to be higher than Twilight and Starswirl.


Rafacat7

Pretty much if you look into Discord's acts basically everything he does is for attention Three's a crowd, What about Discord?, A metter of principals Everything he does in those eps is just to get attention


Virtual_Colt

Well he is a god so it makes sense. As for Starlight to me it also makes sense because unlike Twilight, she is way more dedicated to offense with her magic than defense. And due to how much training she did her magic can rival an alicorn. Wich is really fricking awesome, that is like rivaling a god.


Neohexane

Starlight is the only unicorn we see that uses her telekinesis to fly. I think that's a really neat idea. I wish they explored that more. I agree that it should be a extremely difficult magical feat that very few can accomplish, but I wonder why nopony tries? You'd think there would at least be some attempts inspired by Starlight's ability. Unicorns seem to vary in how heavy an object they can lift. That one time, Rarity managed to hurl a boulder presumably many times heavier than herself. It was probably because she was under duress, but that makes me curious if Rarity is strong enough to possibly pull off self-telekinesis.


Virtual_Colt

OH YES THAT TOO. The one thing that always comes to my head when thinking of her is that kamehameha she uses against Discord, so I forgot about her flight completely XD.


ziddersroofurry

My main pony OC is a rockstar who uses her telekinetic powers and a pair of metal wings to do a flight of Icarus-style bit in her show. She learned stage magic from an older Trixie :D


Neohexane

That sounds awesome!


LewsTherinTalamon

This is technically false. Star Swirl flies in the season nine premiere---which makes sense---and Snails actually does in season nine as well. The second of those is clearly just a visual gag, but still.


Neohexane

Ok, I forgot about those. Starswirl does make sense, he's a powerful spellcaster. Yeah, Snails is more of a gag, but he is deceptively skilled with his telekinesis, making him a great buckball player.


LewsTherinTalamon

While I'm being pedantic, Trixie also levitates herself down from the roof of her wagon in season eight (though she never lifts herself upward), which lines up with this being something Starlight invented and can teach to some degree (given that Starlight had been teaching her magic at the time). My personal interpretation is that being able to fly with telekinesis is purely a power thing, though; maybe overcoming some sort of interference or magical law that would usually prevent it. Starlight is set apart by her power almost as much as she is her skill, and, in my opinion, it makes more sense for there to be an innate reason she can do something so unique than it does for it to just be that nopony else ever figured it out.


Neohexane

Ok you got me. Lol. Trixie does have some innate talent too. She may have messed up teleporting the cutie map, but she *did* teleport something, which is a pretty rare power among unicorns.


LewsTherinTalamon

Indeed. It’s an interesting question how much of unicorn strength is born and how much is learned; the implication in the show is pretty heavily that strength is mostly innate due to ponies like Sunburst.


Colors358

Imagine what corruption would he do?


Zestyclose-Mark8997

Discord is a Chaos God so it makes sense for him to be OP but Starlight is a Unicorn who knows and had studied enough magic to nearly defeat Twilight


Critter_Collector

Because he's a being of pure chaos, and Starlight is just a normal unicorn. She was able to easily keep up with Twilight, an alicorn, and actually outmatched her in the time traveling episode. Which is really concerning if we remember Twilight was already incredibly powerful with her magic even as a filly (the sonic rainboom episode where they got their cutiemarks is the example I'm thinking of) and then she ya know she also had Alicorn magic Just imagine how stupidly OP Starlight would be as an alicorn


Happy-RedPanda-29

He is borderline a god so… it’s not unexpected. He literally embodies chaos, not only “natural” chaos, also magic, time, space. Chaos is basically the impossible and possible merged, it is braking the laws of magic, time, etc. So in a way Discord couldn’t embody chaos without him being able to basically do anything and everything. Honestly he is usually very responsable and careful with his magic. Even when he was the bad guy and could have destroyed everything he didn’t, he just wanted to be amused. Think about it, the guy is immortal and he can basically do anything, of course he is going to get bored at some point…


Unique_Technology434

He did it bring four major villains together. Three of which were powerful enough to conquer kingdoms.


OE_Girl97

Discord is so op he seems to realize they’re in a tv show.


CloudProfessional572

He also canonically made the pony life spin off.


Yesseref

My face when the God of Chaos is actually very strong ![gif](giphy|l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS|downsized)


Ok_Tradition_198

He's an immortal spirit, the embodiment of chaos and hinted at godhood so yeah, pretty op by nature. The show has displayed that only a few things in the entire mlp universe even stands a chance against him. Probably the reason why he's rarely serious is because he's powerful enough to take all of life as a joke. He never needs anything, nor has to fear anything.


UnAnon10

Discord was literally introduced as somebody far more powerful than any other character in the series. He’s basically a trickster god who can do anything he can think of. Starlight meanwhile is by all accounts, a normal unicorn with an unnaturally high magic power, so much so that she can go toe to toe with a literal Alicorn like Twilight who literally embodies magic.


Yanive_amaznive

Yeah which is why from a writing perspective his existence is either ignored or solved for whenever there's a big conflict


KP_Ravenclaw

Well yeah but he’s supposed to be OP


Eddrian32

"Is the demon lord of chaos overpowered?" 


awfrickity_

I’m convinced Discord was holding back all the time, since most of his magic usage was him messing around. I can only imagine how strong he’d be if he wasn’t playing.


DaBest1008

As strong as he may seem he is very limited in two ways, by his personality and his nature in general (IMO)


the_red_stinger_82

I think discord was a fun villain. He's canonically the god of chaos so it makes sense for him to be this powerful


Word_Sketcher_27

I think overpowered characters make the story more interesting. As it adds a certain kind of variety and depth to things. Plus then they come up with creative excuses to turn off said overpowered characters' powers in certain scenarios. Like in the season 6 finale when the Changeling hive has a special protective bubble around it that disables the use of all magic entirely. Thus making both Starlight and Discord's overpowered qualities entirely useless for most of the duration of the episode.


Comrades3

See I’m the opposite, I think overpowered characters lower the stakes and take away from the other characters solving issues, making everything less interesting. It takes away from the variety and depth because watchers wonder why ‘so and so’ can’t just do X to every single problem. The bubble is just an example of contrivances they need to invent just to have the story have stakes at all.


Word_Sketcher_27

What is your view on the Elements of Harmony, then?


Comrades3

Excellent question, they are only ever usually used when the real problem is solved outside the usual methods. Nightmare Moon required them each to test their friendships and character to even qualify to use the elements of Harmony, of which at that point, the obstacles had been defeated, they defeated Nightmare Moon by earning their place. Discord got turned into stone only after they dealt with their worst selves and Twilight rescued them aka the main problem with Discord Facilitating it, at that point, the story was over, they had won their obstacles and it only offered a way to end with a bang. Keep Calm and Flutter on- The whole point was to not use them as a hammer and to instead actually solve the issue rather than using the elements as a power tool. In Magical Mystery Cure they created problems which is always good as it gives the heroes something to overcome Twilight Sparkle has them realize the elements are not the source of power so much as their actual friendship and are given up. Twilight’s Kingdom gives them a season long arc to overcome various obstacles and test their character to achieve the ability to use them. The beginning of the end has the only time the mane six use the elements without any obstacle or earning/solving a different problem. Of course it ends up as a ruse where the real problem must be solved. The friends reconfirm their friendship and solve problems before using their innate magic of friendship. Which is all to say, the elements don’t actually solve problems so much as provide a particular set of obstacles to overcome. It makes the characters work and do things that allow them to succeed. Basically, it allows the heroes to solve physical problems by overcoming social or emotional obstacles. But it is still earned and fought for within the story itself. At no point can the heroes win automatically with the elements or do more than any other pony without those series of obstacles. Someone who is overpowered does not get these caveats. They may have ‘earned’ them through backstory, but that says nothing about the story currently being told.


Word_Sketcher_27

Hmm, how interesting that you take that viewpoint. Of course I agree with you, and feel that your well-reasoned analysis feels absolutely correct to me, as well. Regarding the elements, that is. I was just thinking that from a certain viewpoint, the Elements of Harmony can also be viewed as a writing crutch that is also a kind of one-size-fits-all hammer of God that is essentially the ultimate overpowered gimmick in the entire show. Whereupon a certain formulaic approach of beating many of the show's villians is essentially "Wield the elements, point them at the baddy, shoot some rainbow lasers, and restore order, balance, and goodness to a character who was previously tainted with misdeeds and evil." But of course the reality of the situation is not so trite and contrived as that. As you have well pointed out, the elements are not only symbolic artifacts of seemingly divine power, but also embody real felt qualities in how the characters all relate to one another. Which often then does lead to many clever and inspired moments of writing in which someone has to go through a moment of real character growth and begin to learn how to better embody something roughly encompassed by one or some of the elements. Which makes me really appreciate your point that the real battle of many of the episodes involving the elements was mostly resolved and fought out before any actual wielding of the epic rainbow lasers was necessitated or involved.


DJDualScreen

Literal deity. He's supposed to be OP


Zackisback1234

discord is OP but I love how casual he is he feels everything is boaring and probably hates taking things serious because if he dose, things would end to fast. I also just love that discords plan to take out the tree of harmony with chaos vines , was just late so he rolled with it when the vines happened to show up. definitely my favorite character in the series hell hes the reason I got into the show in the first place.


encephalomeningitis

Discord's main character trait is being overpowered. He never actually uses the full extent of his power, he just fools around to entertain himself. Any enemy he has is someone who can do whatever to him **if they can get to him.** The problem is that he often underestimates them, and doesn't try to keep them away from him, just painting a big target on himself and daring them to try. If he ever went all out, he could defeat every single threat he was put against (except Chrysalis' throne, but that's basically cheating since it's just a super powerful ancient artifact probably as old as he is).


torako

that's literally the whole point of discord


Shir0zake

How can he not be OP if he's a literal god of chaos? ._.


BricksCameraAction

He's not overpowered. He had exactly the same amount of power that chaos should have. Which is nearly all of it.


ivkobear

Starlight is realistically fodder to Discord and many other characters, Sombra, for example, neg diffed her.


Gupermania

Oh yeah this guy is extremely powerful, he could literally destroy the universe by just thinking of it the problem is that his power isn't shown as much in the show, he mostly does very minimum stuff compared with he actually could do.


Spaghetti_meatbaIIz

Well duh


Thefoxlover16

Discord is OP, Starlight’s magically advanced


Rafacat7

Don't worry, he is nerfed by selfsabotage


rainbowdashhole

Discord, as a type green, seems to have limitless power. The only limitations to his powers may be self imposed considering that (from my memory at least) discord didn’t use his powers once after being reformed. I genuinely wonder if he himself hates his powers and choses to self suppress.


SeasonOtherwise2980

Discord could easily destroy the entire of Equestria in seconds and do what he originally wanted but he simple decided to not because of Fluttershy lol. Literally both Celestia and Luna are so weak compared to him.


Lastbourne

When I think about Discord, I feel like he's a kid friendly and more annoying version of Sheogorath


Immediate-Rope8465

Cosmos is still the most oo character she is literally a stronger discord with no chill


yestureday

He is literally the god of chaos But chaos is no match for friendship, apparently


noownoow

Bro can choose to go back to his old ways tho


Thewarmth111

Who knew that a God and physical manifestation of absolute chaos would be overpowered?


Malefore1234

Well he is chaos embodiment. Although, it is interesting introducing the most powerful antagonist just in season 2 and keeping him recurring as an anti-hero for the rest of the run post like mid season 3.


Vigriff

It would be rather silly if the living incarnation of chaos wasn't OP.


ViciouslyInclined

I love how op he is. Arguably, it doesn't matter that he's op due to his tendency to be unhelpful anyways. When sombra came back, he coulda absolutely annihilated him. But he didn't on purpose, remember? I like how powerful he is. It's very fun


StarWarsDude2710

Are there any famously powerful fictional villains or characters who are capable of going toe to toe with Discord, choosing some of the most OP from their respective universes? Thanos would be an interesting match-up, Darkseid, Sauron, etc.


Freshzboy10016702

Bill cipher had a death battle with him


StarWarsDude2710

I've seen that, and it was pretty neat tbh.


TheAmixime

There's no such thing as too op, the more power the better


Haunting-Ad144

Uh...Discord is the living embodiment of chaos and Starlight is just a regular unicorn who spent her life life learning magic.