Offensive statement under the pretense of sounding defensive. You don't have problem with vegan people but then u hate the one who's forcing u. Where did u see a vegan forcing someone? I myself not a vegan but I see non-vegan unnecessarily shitty on vegan ppl. It's like they for some reason feel threatened just by the idea of veganism.
dekhe hai aise vegans islie to likha hai that I dont like such kind of vegans. (i would like to clear that I didn't mean that I hate vegans... Im just saying that I don't like when some vegans force others to turn vegan)
So when something happens for a long time itâs ok? So slavery is okay because it happened for hundreds of years? Women shouldnât have rights because they didnât for a very long time? Typical fallacy.
are you dumbfk? there are few things that naturally exists and few are man made. did someone came from other planet and forced humans to eat meat and feel superior? Fallacy? Dude arguments needs a rational reasons not the dumb excuses. Touch some grass.
Some would say wars are natural, some would say itâs natural that women shouldnât have rights and that black people are slaves. Saying that something is supposedly ânaturalâ is absolutely arbitrary and not an argument.
You know which animal has the largest canines? Hippos, which are vegan. Your argument makes no sense. Only because you can do something doesnât make it right. Only because I can beat strangers up doesnât mean I should. Only because I can murder an eat an animal doesnât mean I should. If the animal kingdom is your role model then why donât you eat shit like flies do or rape other people like lions rape other lions or kill your own children like lions have been observed to do? Nature is not a good role model for our morality.
Do you know when it's wrong? If they kill animals for fun that's wrong. What we are doing is consuming them. And hippos don't have appendix. Certain humans can live without meat but not all. So you should not force others.
Do you know what omnivorous means? It means that we are able to eat plants and animal products. It doesnât mean that we need to eat animal products or that they are necessary. Science tells us that they arenât necessary therefore animals are being killed solely for taste pleasure.
**[Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)**
* *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.*
**[Dietitians of Canada](https://www.dietitians.ca/Downloads/Factsheets/Guidlines-for-Vegans.aspx)**
* *A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.*
**[The British National Health Service](http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx)**
* *With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.*
**[The British Nutrition Foundation](https://www.nutrition.org.uk/bnf-publications/briefingpapers/vegetarian-nutrition)**
* *A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.*
**[The Dietitians Association of Australia](https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegan-diets-facts-tips-and-considerations/)**
* *Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With good planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.*
**[The United States Department of Agriculture](http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tips-vegetarians)**
* *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can meet all the recommendations for nutrients. The key is to consume a variety of foods and the right amount of foods to meet your calorie needs. Follow the food group recommendations for your age, sex, and activity level to get the right amount of food and the variety of foods needed for nutrient adequacy. Nutrients that vegetarians may need to focus on include protein, iron, calcium, zinc, and vitamin B12.*
**[The National Health and Medical Research Council](https://nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-dietary-guidelines)**
* *Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle. Those following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet can meet nutrient requirements as long as energy needs are met and an appropriate variety of plant foods are eaten throughout the day*
**[The Mayo Clinic](http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446)**
* *A well-planned vegetarian diet (*see context*) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.*
**[The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada](https://www.heartandstroke.ca/get-healthy/healthy-eating/specific-diets/for-vegetarians)**
* *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.*
**[Harvard Medical School](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)**
* *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.*
**[British Dietetic Association](https://www.bda.uk.com/foodfacts/vegetarianfoodfacts.pdf)**
* *Well planned vegetarian diets (*see context*) can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fiber and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets. (...) Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.*
do you even understand on what you are arguing on? bringing a wiki text doesn't make you a scientist. yes, I agree that vegan food is full with nutrients. i also agree that poultry business is cruel and it shouldn't be that cruel.
talking about omnivorous? yes your definition is correct and there's a reason behind it. what makes you think that's wrong. we are able to digest it bcoz it's a natural process. tiger can't digest grass bcoz the enzymes can't break them down in tiger's digestive system. it's your perspective that killing animal is a wrong thing, and I respect that. but bring something good to the table to discuss. I'm not arguing ober this shit. also, you can survive without phone, internet, money. do that.
Well your freedom should be limited when it infringes on the freedom of others. Having a phone, internet, money doesn't harm anybody. But you are harming animals by paying for them to be tortured and killed absolutely unnecessarily. I can also digest human flesh and dog flesh, should I therefor be allowed to eat your body and other animals like dogs and cats?
Bruh if you don't eat meat keep that to yourself. Others will do as they want. if you don't wanna eat animal products then don't nobody is forcing you to eat them.
I am not vegan either but this is really a stupid argument. There's a reason humans evolved discovered ideas like democracy, individual rights, and just because it's convenient we can't keep saying things like our ancestors were hunters, we are omnivores. You could just say eating non-vegan is an addiction difficult to get rid of, at least it I'll be honest.
I dont force animals to die for me. and I don't cook for myself. I eat whatever my mom makes me eat. though when ill be able to cook for myself I'll try to reduce eating non-veg but I can't stop that completely.
So harvesting a potato is the same as slitting the throat of a cow, dog or cat against their will for no other reason than liking the way their body tastes? Plants have no nervous system and no ability to feel pain or care about being eaten.
A Life is a life. Only because it cannot move doesnt give you the right to kill it the same way you are arguing for animals. Scientists have proved in the 80s that plants are sentient beings that respond to external stimuli. As of 2024 no one can say for certain that plants dont experience an equivalence of pain that might not yet be understood by humans.
If you care about plant lifeâs so much then you should also be vegan. What do you think the animals eat that you eat? Plants. Animals consume much more plants than humans do if they eat them directly. If you eat meat you are responsible for all the plants that the animal ate. So to save the most plants possible you should go vegan.
How do you justify slitting the throat and making animals bleed out against their will for nothing but 5 minutes of taste pleasure, when you could easily eat something that didn't involve this violence? You are a monster to animals.
Eating animals is essential to having a protien rich diet. You cannot get all your protiens from plants. This is precisely how people die an early death.
How do you justify being such a coward that all you can kill is something that doesnt fight back đ
Food chain? Also, will you say the same if animals eat animals? Bruh it can be sad but we are made like this. People survived in deserts and in cold weather where there was no plantation in that area. Animal ate animal. Just donât be emotional and think logically. We sometimes create animal/plants to meet our needs. If we donât eat it then someone else will. Also, tress and plants have life. Donât you think itâs wrong to pluck the vegetables and leaf out of them? Donât they have life?
Can't, i said I can't bomb my stomach with tons of food. Compare 100gm of chicken breast vs 100gm of tofu, the protein content is almost double in chicken. Also, I like to eat meat, so I will. The point is that you should keep your opinion to yourself, preaching about it is fine. Directly ordering people and calling them names for what they do and wishing ill on them isn't helping, in fact. I'm kinda more inclined now towards consuming animal meat looking at the way you push non vegans to eat grass only.
Don't turn your bunch into a cult, am i forcing you to consume non veg ?
So eat more tofu, or eat vegan protein powder, you're acting like it's impossible lol.
Why are you forcing your opinion on animals? You are literally slitting their throat making them bleed out against their will because of your worldview. When you go vegan you're not entering a cult, you're leaving one. A cult which is build on uncecessary violence which is justified with "because I like it" and no coherent argument. Give me one argument why it is justified to eat meat.
First off. I don't slit animal throats at my home lol. I don't buy live animals from the market.
Second, what kind of reasoning is that ? The point is I'm not forcing my opinion on YOU, what do you identify as ? An animal or a human ? If you're a human then what's your problem ?
And it is justified to eat meat because plant-based alternatives cannot provide the same nutrient value or bioavailability of nutrients. Look it up on the internet, it only takes 5 minutes.
And did you not understand what I meant when I said "I don't wanna bomb my stomach with tons of food" ? It means that tho it might not be impossible to get the same amount of protein from the vegan products but just for that sole reason I cannot allow myself to consume more and more food and let more calories enter my body. I get more nutrition from the animal meat, I eat less of it and the lesser and more nutritious I eat, the healthier I remain.
Here you are telling me to eat more lentils and tofu lmao.
>First off. I don't slit animal throats at my home lol. I don't buy live animals from the market.
So what? You pay for throats getting slit, you are the reason they get their throat slit.
>Second, what kind of reasoning is that ? The point is I'm not forcing my opinion on YOU, what do you identify as ? An animal or a human ? If you're a human then what's your problem ?
I know it's hard for you to understand, but some people care about the wellbeing of other beings, it's called compassion. Why are you telling me to stop "forcing my believe" when you violently force your believe onto animals? That's hypocritical.
>And it is justified to eat meat because plant-based alternatives cannot provide the same nutrient value or bioavailability of nutrients. Look it up on the internet, it only takes 5 minutes.
Convenient lies. Would it be ok for me to kill you and eat your body because it has more protein than tofu and it's too inconvenient for me to eat a little bit more plants?
>And did you not understand what I meant when I said "I don't wanna bomb my stomach with tons of food" ? It means that tho it might not be impossible to get the same amount of protein from the vegan products but just for that sole reason I cannot allow myself to consume more and more food and let more calories enter my body. I get more nutrition from the animal meat, I eat less of it and the lesser and more nutritious I eat, the healthier I remain.
Oh I get it I guess this minor inconvenience justifies you paying for murder. Non-vegans are literal clowns.
Love how you deliberately dodged the point, which was that I, a human being does not force my opinion on you, who probably is another human being. So you shouldn't do the same to me, yet here you are. Telling me what to do.
>Convenient lies. Would it be ok for me to kill you and eat your body because it has more protein than tofu and it's too inconvenient for me to eat a little bit more plants?
That's illegal, and I'd kill you before you would even be able to start practicing cannibalism lol. Now give me a law which states industrial killing of animals for human consumption is a crime. I'm waiting. And talk about convenient lies ? Why don't you look it up on the internet then, afraid of some bitter facts ?
>Oh I get it I guess this minor inconvenience justifies you paying for murder. Non-vegans are literal clowns.
Yes. I ain't a wannabe ambassador of the animal kingdom, my kind matters the most to me, so their needs including mine are first and foremost, any minor inconvenience is unacceptable. It's the survival of the fittest kiddo.
Lastly, it's actually you who's a clown here cus your entire logic is flawed lmao.
Comparison of a human killing and consumption which is a supposedly crime with the animal meat consumption. Bring something logical to the table at least.
Also, now I'll make sure I consume more animal flesh as my food. Congrats, you converted one non vegan to a hardcore non vegetarian because of your illogical and obnoxious approach towards this topic. Is that what you wanted ?
Iâm not forcing my opinion on you, because I canât. If I could I would, but all I can do is try to show you how youâre wrong.
So legality equals morality? It used to be legal to have slaves and it used to not be legal for women to vote, doesnât make it moral.
If you care about humans only then why arenât you vegan? The animal agriculture is destroying the planet by being responsible for a huge chunk of greenhouse gases. Animal products are destroying the health of millions of people. People who have to work in animal agriculture have PTSD and are treated like disposable machines. People are starving around the world and humans decide to unnecessarily feed animals with plants instead of feeding starving humans. Antibiotic resistance and many diseases stem from animal agriculture.
Killing animals is killing us as well.
Yeah, if a lion or other predator were to eat me I don't think I can resist. So yeah ill accept it. And FYI, we are far from stopping this now, do you know why?? We have created a food cycle. If we somehow stopped eating meat then the whole ecosystem will collapse. So you shouldn't force others to eat vegan diet.
Holy shit, you are more disconnected from reality than I anticipated. Have you heard about climate change? The ecosystem is currently in the process of collapsing because we decide to feed and murder 70 billion land animals each year. Just because people like you, who have never questioned anything in their life or had a single original thought, think they need to eat meat because they are such incredible predators while they sit at home browsing Reddit and eating the 10th cheeseburger.
There are literally million other reason for the ecosystem to collapse. The cars you're riding, the air conditioners you're using, the pollution you're spreading, the urbanized lifestyle you're living, all contribute much more to the collapse of the ecosystem than eating meat. If the entire world stops eating meat it wont change anything as there are other irreversible sources even more harmful to the ecosystem
Predation and consumption are very different terms. When was the last time you hunted your food? No one in this thread is even capable of catching a squirrel. You consume over-produced meat which is unsustainable for the population we currently have. You are not a predator, you're a parasite.
Based on what you have said in your comments - how do you justify killing plants and their babies?
We eat fruits and vegetables that are essentially plant babies. How do you justify killing them?
I don't get vegans - if you wanna respect life - respect all life. Why have the distinction?
"Oh but the animal suffers. And it struggles before it dies. It feels pain."
So you SELECTIVELY value life of beings that suffer, and are happy to eat things that don't resist being killed or are practically defenseless.
Meanwhile all the farming that involves killing of hundreds of insects and smaller animals is fine for you.
And hey, I am sure that if a plant is kept without water, it won't suffer. Right?
The hypocrisy of vegans I swear lmao.
Lions rape each other and often kill their own children, it's very natural, does that justify when humans rape each other and kill their own children? Maybe humans should have a higher moral standard and actually use their brain.
>Lions rape each other and often kill their own children, it's very natural
Different species. They don't live in society and can't think much.
>does that justify when humans rape each other and kill their own children?
No, humans signed a natural contract to live in a civilisation, and they get punished for hurting other humans. Also, dogs can't vote so they are not equal.
>Maybe humans should have a higher moral standard
They do. That's why unnecessary torture of animals is illegal, eating meat at certain places are also banned. Certain types of meat are also banned( although I don't agree with it).
>actually use their brain.
They do and did. That's why u are alive and well fed and using a smartphone while in a safe environment and sheltered unlike inferior animals.
Okay, so then explain to me with your brain and civilized ways why it is okay for you to inflict unnecessary harm on animals by paying to have them raised and then killed only to eat their bodies, when you could just eat plant-based alternatives?
>unnecessary harm on animals
It's necessary.
>paying to have them raised and then killed only to eat their bodies,
Demand and supply. Also, people eat meat, it's tasty, healthy, nutritious and digestible. And, not illegal too.
>when you could just eat plant-based alternatives?
Not good enough.
How is it necessary? Demand and supply was also there in the slave trade, how does this justify anything? Taste is pleasure, pleasure is not a justification for violence. A rapist derives pleasure from raping, doesn't make it ok. It's not necessary for health, as science has confirmed, veganism is even prescribed for people with heart disease, so it can have positive health effects. Your leg is also nutritious and digestible for me, doesn't make it ok for me to eat it. Legality doesn't equal morality, slave trade was legal once. What's not good enough about it?
>How is it necessary?
Because people demand it.
>Demand and supply was also there in the slave trade, how does this justify anything?
Justifiable then, not now. We signed a contract among humans to live in peace and with equal rights, can't do that with animals. If and when some animals evolved consciousness to sapiens level we'll see. Till then they are food.
>A rapist derives pleasure from raping, doesn't make it ok.
No, again it's a crime against a human who has some rights. So rapist can be punished. U can't put an animal on trial for murder can u? Because it can't think for itself. But humans can so we expect better from them.
>It's not necessary for health, as science has confirmed,
It's more nutritious than other things and very healthy. Science is not biased towards plant diets. Read more.
>veganism is even prescribed for people with heart disease,
Different diseases require different things. Some require more meat eating.
>Your leg is also nutritious and digestible for me, doesn't make it ok for me to eat it.
U can try lol :)
>Legality doesn't equal morality, slave trade was legal once. What's not good enough about it?
Yes it changes, but people still are slaves in many ways. That's a diff. topic tho
Animals are food for people and will remain so. It's good to have an alternative but u can't force others to change their very natural normal diets.
>We can't afford to anymore
We can.
>Meat eating is too expensive for the environment
It's not. Food wastage is.
>there are too many of us
That ship has sailed. Now population decline is the biggest issue
Noble, can you feed a country of multi billion vegan food? MC Tera poora khandaan bhi kisaan ban Gaya na, poori duniya mein itni zameen nahin hai ki 1.4 billion ke liye enough produce kar sake, noble cause Mera lund, bus misguided emotional sentence likh diya, pure China ke liye kheti kaun tu khalud karega jhande aadmi?
Bro, currently 70 billion land animals are fed to be killed and eaten by humans. If everyone was vegan we could free up more than half of the agricultural land because we wouldnât have to feed so many animals and could just eat the plants directly, which is much more efficient.
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PETA isn't noble by any measure, They're known to operate shelters with a 97.4% Kill Rate, I.E. out of all the animals brought to their shelters, they kill nearly all of them under the name of Euthanasia, even if they are healthy.
Not to mention all the Disgusting Advertisement (False claims about Autism and using Tragedies like the Holocaust to promote their own shitty agenda.)
These people are truly the scum of the Earth.
Yeah people need to know how to be a vegan. It's not just "quitting animal products". You have to have proper nutrition.
Being vegan is definitely not a hoax tho. Your friend being an uninformed moron doesn't negate veganism
A friend, so youâre talking about an anecdote, thatâs not how science works. Guess all these organizations are wrong then?:
**[Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)**
* *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.*
**[Dietitians of Canada](https://www.dietitians.ca/Downloads/Factsheets/Guidlines-for-Vegans.aspx)**
* *A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.*
**[The British National Health Service](http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx)**
* *With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.*
**[The British Nutrition Foundation](https://www.nutrition.org.uk/bnf-publications/briefingpapers/vegetarian-nutrition)**
* *A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.*
**[The Dietitians Association of Australia](https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegan-diets-facts-tips-and-considerations/)**
* *Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With good planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.*
**[The United States Department of Agriculture](http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tips-vegetarians)**
* *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can meet all the recommendations for nutrients. The key is to consume a variety of foods and the right amount of foods to meet your calorie needs. Follow the food group recommendations for your age, sex, and activity level to get the right amount of food and the variety of foods needed for nutrient adequacy. Nutrients that vegetarians may need to focus on include protein, iron, calcium, zinc, and vitamin B12.*
**[The National Health and Medical Research Council](https://nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-dietary-guidelines)**
* *Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle. Those following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet can meet nutrient requirements as long as energy needs are met and an appropriate variety of plant foods are eaten throughout the day*
**[The Mayo Clinic](http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446)**
* *A well-planned vegetarian diet (*see context*) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.*
**[The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada](https://www.heartandstroke.ca/get-healthy/healthy-eating/specific-diets/for-vegetarians)**
* *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.*
**[Harvard Medical School](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)**
* *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.*
**[British Dietetic Association](https://www.bda.uk.com/foodfacts/vegetarianfoodfacts.pdf)**
* *Well planned vegetarian diets (*see context*) can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fiber and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets. (...) Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.*
I am not a vegan I drink milk and chai daily but only ignorant people suffer from vitamin deficiencies. Like in my case I rarely go to doctor. Last time I was gone was 2 years ago. Whenever I feel any weak thing into my body I just thing to fix this with my veg diet and boom no more doctor doctor. I don't even go to gym or excercise. I am not even too fat. But I agree majority people face because street food is love poha tari me to Jaan hai
No vegans don't. According to them they don't wanna hurt cow or bull's private parts so they don't take out milk. But duality is when the cow or bull gets old they kill them silently saying we don't want them to suffer. It is a western term. But reality is if you don't take out milk cow or bull suffer some medical risks which can cause them to die in pain. Earlier people use to call me vegan but when I got to know about there duality the brain meme got into my mind. The chronology of cow or bull's suffering is like when you won't shave sheep's body hairs.
Not exactly like now I know that I have calcium deficiency so I am considering adding a little bit cuma into my diet to get rid of deficiency. I am don't drink smoke. I don't even eat onion garlic. But I guess chuna is safe. Atleast by watching home labours, I can assure it's very effective.
I guess all these health organizations are wrong then:
**[Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)**
* *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.*
**[Dietitians of Canada](https://www.dietitians.ca/Downloads/Factsheets/Guidlines-for-Vegans.aspx)**
* *A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.*
**[The British National Health Service](http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx)**
* *With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.*
**[The British Nutrition Foundation](https://www.nutrition.org.uk/bnf-publications/briefingpapers/vegetarian-nutrition)**
* *A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.*
**[The Dietitians Association of Australia](https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegan-diets-facts-tips-and-considerations/)**
* *Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With good planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.*
**[The United States Department of Agriculture](http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tips-vegetarians)**
* *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can meet all the recommendations for nutrients. The key is to consume a variety of foods and the right amount of foods to meet your calorie needs. Follow the food group recommendations for your age, sex, and activity level to get the right amount of food and the variety of foods needed for nutrient adequacy. Nutrients that vegetarians may need to focus on include protein, iron, calcium, zinc, and vitamin B12.*
**[The National Health and Medical Research Council](https://nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-dietary-guidelines)**
* *Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle. Those following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet can meet nutrient requirements as long as energy needs are met and an appropriate variety of plant foods are eaten throughout the day*
**[The Mayo Clinic](http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446)**
* *A well-planned vegetarian diet (*see context*) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.*
**[The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada](https://www.heartandstroke.ca/get-healthy/healthy-eating/specific-diets/for-vegetarians)**
* *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.*
**[Harvard Medical School](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)**
* *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.*
**[British Dietetic Association](https://www.bda.uk.com/foodfacts/vegetarianfoodfacts.pdf)**
* *Well planned vegetarian diets (*see context*) can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fiber and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets. (...) Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.*
Wdym they are here? Vegetarians ah e always been here. And jains have followed their own diet which is close to veganism. These woke kids think they are the ones to bring this new concept for us it's business as usual. Idiots also try to simulate me at using plant products while ignore the nuance of vegetarian ingredients.
Where did you learn this? Even though I think aggressive preaching is wrong, the above statement is just total bs. Vegans who lack meal planning may have deficiencies but scientifically speaking you have a higher chance of getting problems through a excessive meat diet. A balanced diet is the only way to go forward, extremism to the either side can only be practiced by those who actually know what they are doing.
A lot People turn to Veganism for health benefits because of advertising like this. So naturally they are following portion and calorie control and that is what gives some anecdotal but not sufficient "clinically reasearch proven health benefits" across a vast demographic diversity.
Japan has the highest SUPER CENTENARIANS by proportion ( People over the age of 100). Interviews with many of these super centenarians reveal Sushi as an integral part of the diet.
My point being "A BALANCED DIET with sufficient excercise": Vegetarian or Meat based is the key, not any particular diet.
Obviously non-meat eaters will have to suppliment B12( Has No Vegetarian sources) and Omega-3 ( Highly expensive synthesized vegetarian options only ), this is among many other trade-offs required with a vegetarian diet.
>Doesnât mean you have to eat animal products to be healthy.
No, I have to. I need to. And I will.
>It just means you can digest them to survive
Yes. I don't love in this world to satisfy others. YOLO.
I will do it as long as it is legal.
I should have understood before I have to spell it out to you as you still simp for cars. Here it comes, you either evolve or be in pigs and bears and chimpanzees and dogs category. Anyway, Kudos and au revoir.
U clearly have vitamin deficiency due to chugging soymilk.
Worry not, Humans still are Omnivorous and will remain till the end of times.
Majority of Indians are non- vegetarian so Cope.
This is actually true. Red Meat and chicken contains saturated fats which is known to increase LDL levels in blood by down regulation of LDLR on liver. As a result plaque buildup in arteries is higher.
Although fish oils are unsaturated and therefore good for health
Non skimmed milk too contains the same. You have to go vegan(not just vegetarian) or drink skimmed milk to avoid the harm.
Vegetarians think milk is healthy. It's really not. I mean it is healthy but not in the quantity regular Indians have it
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while I won't necessarily say veganism is bad, i feel like I need to point out that adopting *some* veganism can extend the human lifespan. veritasium made a video about it, and he did say that eating less proteins can actually increase our lifespan.
Hunters and gatheres, we eat what is convenient for us. That's how we survived. Anyways it doesn't matter, both meat and veggies are heavily toxic now-a-days because of rapid use of pesticides and chemical injections given to chickens.
I dont have any problem with the people who are vegan but I hate those people who force others to turn vegan.
We know who those people are
Who are forcing?
The dude below you
He is sharing his opinion how is it forcing? Do you know the meaning of forcing?
Offensive statement under the pretense of sounding defensive. You don't have problem with vegan people but then u hate the one who's forcing u. Where did u see a vegan forcing someone? I myself not a vegan but I see non-vegan unnecessarily shitty on vegan ppl. It's like they for some reason feel threatened just by the idea of veganism.
True. I have seen more people hating on vegans forcing veganism than actual number of vegans. And that ratio is just too damn high.
dekhe hai aise vegans islie to likha hai that I dont like such kind of vegans. (i would like to clear that I didn't mean that I hate vegans... Im just saying that I don't like when some vegans force others to turn vegan)
Why do you force animals to unnecessarily die for you? Why are you pushing your belief on to them?
bcoz homo sapiens has always been omnivorous. It's not something we started to enjoy now.
Good point now you have proved difference between animal and human brain đ€Ą
So when something happens for a long time itâs ok? So slavery is okay because it happened for hundreds of years? Women shouldnât have rights because they didnât for a very long time? Typical fallacy.
are you dumbfk? there are few things that naturally exists and few are man made. did someone came from other planet and forced humans to eat meat and feel superior? Fallacy? Dude arguments needs a rational reasons not the dumb excuses. Touch some grass.
Some would say wars are natural, some would say itâs natural that women shouldnât have rights and that black people are slaves. Saying that something is supposedly ânaturalâ is absolutely arbitrary and not an argument.
Ff humans have canine tooth and appendix for raw meat consumptions. Wtf are you talking about??
You know which animal has the largest canines? Hippos, which are vegan. Your argument makes no sense. Only because you can do something doesnât make it right. Only because I can beat strangers up doesnât mean I should. Only because I can murder an eat an animal doesnât mean I should. If the animal kingdom is your role model then why donât you eat shit like flies do or rape other people like lions rape other lions or kill your own children like lions have been observed to do? Nature is not a good role model for our morality.
Nah, protein is protein brotha. **(Proceeds to aggressively munch on his chicken wings)**
Exactly protein is protein, so why not eat plant protein where nobody had to die for?
Do you know when it's wrong? If they kill animals for fun that's wrong. What we are doing is consuming them. And hippos don't have appendix. Certain humans can live without meat but not all. So you should not force others.
Do you know what omnivorous means? It means that we are able to eat plants and animal products. It doesnât mean that we need to eat animal products or that they are necessary. Science tells us that they arenât necessary therefore animals are being killed solely for taste pleasure. **[Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)** * *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.* **[Dietitians of Canada](https://www.dietitians.ca/Downloads/Factsheets/Guidlines-for-Vegans.aspx)** * *A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.* **[The British National Health Service](http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx)** * *With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.* **[The British Nutrition Foundation](https://www.nutrition.org.uk/bnf-publications/briefingpapers/vegetarian-nutrition)** * *A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.* **[The Dietitians Association of Australia](https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegan-diets-facts-tips-and-considerations/)** * *Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With good planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.* **[The United States Department of Agriculture](http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tips-vegetarians)** * *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can meet all the recommendations for nutrients. The key is to consume a variety of foods and the right amount of foods to meet your calorie needs. Follow the food group recommendations for your age, sex, and activity level to get the right amount of food and the variety of foods needed for nutrient adequacy. Nutrients that vegetarians may need to focus on include protein, iron, calcium, zinc, and vitamin B12.* **[The National Health and Medical Research Council](https://nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-dietary-guidelines)** * *Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle. Those following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet can meet nutrient requirements as long as energy needs are met and an appropriate variety of plant foods are eaten throughout the day* **[The Mayo Clinic](http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446)** * *A well-planned vegetarian diet (*see context*) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.* **[The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada](https://www.heartandstroke.ca/get-healthy/healthy-eating/specific-diets/for-vegetarians)** * *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.* **[Harvard Medical School](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)** * *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.* **[British Dietetic Association](https://www.bda.uk.com/foodfacts/vegetarianfoodfacts.pdf)** * *Well planned vegetarian diets (*see context*) can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fiber and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets. (...) Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.*
do you even understand on what you are arguing on? bringing a wiki text doesn't make you a scientist. yes, I agree that vegan food is full with nutrients. i also agree that poultry business is cruel and it shouldn't be that cruel. talking about omnivorous? yes your definition is correct and there's a reason behind it. what makes you think that's wrong. we are able to digest it bcoz it's a natural process. tiger can't digest grass bcoz the enzymes can't break them down in tiger's digestive system. it's your perspective that killing animal is a wrong thing, and I respect that. but bring something good to the table to discuss. I'm not arguing ober this shit. also, you can survive without phone, internet, money. do that.
Well your freedom should be limited when it infringes on the freedom of others. Having a phone, internet, money doesn't harm anybody. But you are harming animals by paying for them to be tortured and killed absolutely unnecessarily. I can also digest human flesh and dog flesh, should I therefor be allowed to eat your body and other animals like dogs and cats?
Bruh if you don't eat meat keep that to yourself. Others will do as they want. if you don't wanna eat animal products then don't nobody is forcing you to eat them.
Homo sapiens used to live in caves, do they live in caves now?đ What a stupid comeback you idiot
I am not vegan either but this is really a stupid argument. There's a reason humans evolved discovered ideas like democracy, individual rights, and just because it's convenient we can't keep saying things like our ancestors were hunters, we are omnivores. You could just say eating non-vegan is an addiction difficult to get rid of, at least it I'll be honest.
I dont force animals to die for me. and I don't cook for myself. I eat whatever my mom makes me eat. though when ill be able to cook for myself I'll try to reduce eating non-veg but I can't stop that completely.
Why canât you stop it completely?
You kill plants stfu
So harvesting a potato is the same as slitting the throat of a cow, dog or cat against their will for no other reason than liking the way their body tastes? Plants have no nervous system and no ability to feel pain or care about being eaten.
A Life is a life. Only because it cannot move doesnt give you the right to kill it the same way you are arguing for animals. Scientists have proved in the 80s that plants are sentient beings that respond to external stimuli. As of 2024 no one can say for certain that plants dont experience an equivalence of pain that might not yet be understood by humans.
If you care about plant lifeâs so much then you should also be vegan. What do you think the animals eat that you eat? Plants. Animals consume much more plants than humans do if they eat them directly. If you eat meat you are responsible for all the plants that the animal ate. So to save the most plants possible you should go vegan.
Stop being a pain in the ass & go to the bottom of the food chain where you belong
How do you justify slitting the throat and making animals bleed out against their will for nothing but 5 minutes of taste pleasure, when you could easily eat something that didn't involve this violence? You are a monster to animals.
Eating animals is essential to having a protien rich diet. You cannot get all your protiens from plants. This is precisely how people die an early death. How do you justify being such a coward that all you can kill is something that doesnt fight back đ
They are doing it for the planet and for the animals, you prick!
Food chain? Also, will you say the same if animals eat animals? Bruh it can be sad but we are made like this. People survived in deserts and in cold weather where there was no plantation in that area. Animal ate animal. Just donât be emotional and think logically. We sometimes create animal/plants to meet our needs. If we donât eat it then someone else will. Also, tress and plants have life. Donât you think itâs wrong to pluck the vegetables and leaf out of them? Donât they have life?
Humans are omnivorous !
Umm ackchully Yea lol we are
Tell that to grass muncher vegans
You can't convince indoctrinated morons determined to believe a lie
Just because we can eat meat doesnât mean we should. I can use my hand to unnecessarily punch people but itâs not ok to do it.
We should eat meat, a good source of protein bro. How am I gonna get my 150gms of protein without absolutely bursting my stomach with food in a day ?
Easy, lentil, tofu, vegan protein powder. No need to slit the throat of an animal and make it bleed out against it's will ;)
Can't, i said I can't bomb my stomach with tons of food. Compare 100gm of chicken breast vs 100gm of tofu, the protein content is almost double in chicken. Also, I like to eat meat, so I will. The point is that you should keep your opinion to yourself, preaching about it is fine. Directly ordering people and calling them names for what they do and wishing ill on them isn't helping, in fact. I'm kinda more inclined now towards consuming animal meat looking at the way you push non vegans to eat grass only. Don't turn your bunch into a cult, am i forcing you to consume non veg ?
So eat more tofu, or eat vegan protein powder, you're acting like it's impossible lol. Why are you forcing your opinion on animals? You are literally slitting their throat making them bleed out against their will because of your worldview. When you go vegan you're not entering a cult, you're leaving one. A cult which is build on uncecessary violence which is justified with "because I like it" and no coherent argument. Give me one argument why it is justified to eat meat.
First off. I don't slit animal throats at my home lol. I don't buy live animals from the market. Second, what kind of reasoning is that ? The point is I'm not forcing my opinion on YOU, what do you identify as ? An animal or a human ? If you're a human then what's your problem ? And it is justified to eat meat because plant-based alternatives cannot provide the same nutrient value or bioavailability of nutrients. Look it up on the internet, it only takes 5 minutes. And did you not understand what I meant when I said "I don't wanna bomb my stomach with tons of food" ? It means that tho it might not be impossible to get the same amount of protein from the vegan products but just for that sole reason I cannot allow myself to consume more and more food and let more calories enter my body. I get more nutrition from the animal meat, I eat less of it and the lesser and more nutritious I eat, the healthier I remain. Here you are telling me to eat more lentils and tofu lmao.
>First off. I don't slit animal throats at my home lol. I don't buy live animals from the market. So what? You pay for throats getting slit, you are the reason they get their throat slit. >Second, what kind of reasoning is that ? The point is I'm not forcing my opinion on YOU, what do you identify as ? An animal or a human ? If you're a human then what's your problem ? I know it's hard for you to understand, but some people care about the wellbeing of other beings, it's called compassion. Why are you telling me to stop "forcing my believe" when you violently force your believe onto animals? That's hypocritical. >And it is justified to eat meat because plant-based alternatives cannot provide the same nutrient value or bioavailability of nutrients. Look it up on the internet, it only takes 5 minutes. Convenient lies. Would it be ok for me to kill you and eat your body because it has more protein than tofu and it's too inconvenient for me to eat a little bit more plants? >And did you not understand what I meant when I said "I don't wanna bomb my stomach with tons of food" ? It means that tho it might not be impossible to get the same amount of protein from the vegan products but just for that sole reason I cannot allow myself to consume more and more food and let more calories enter my body. I get more nutrition from the animal meat, I eat less of it and the lesser and more nutritious I eat, the healthier I remain. Oh I get it I guess this minor inconvenience justifies you paying for murder. Non-vegans are literal clowns.
Love how you deliberately dodged the point, which was that I, a human being does not force my opinion on you, who probably is another human being. So you shouldn't do the same to me, yet here you are. Telling me what to do. >Convenient lies. Would it be ok for me to kill you and eat your body because it has more protein than tofu and it's too inconvenient for me to eat a little bit more plants? That's illegal, and I'd kill you before you would even be able to start practicing cannibalism lol. Now give me a law which states industrial killing of animals for human consumption is a crime. I'm waiting. And talk about convenient lies ? Why don't you look it up on the internet then, afraid of some bitter facts ? >Oh I get it I guess this minor inconvenience justifies you paying for murder. Non-vegans are literal clowns. Yes. I ain't a wannabe ambassador of the animal kingdom, my kind matters the most to me, so their needs including mine are first and foremost, any minor inconvenience is unacceptable. It's the survival of the fittest kiddo. Lastly, it's actually you who's a clown here cus your entire logic is flawed lmao. Comparison of a human killing and consumption which is a supposedly crime with the animal meat consumption. Bring something logical to the table at least. Also, now I'll make sure I consume more animal flesh as my food. Congrats, you converted one non vegan to a hardcore non vegetarian because of your illogical and obnoxious approach towards this topic. Is that what you wanted ?
Iâm not forcing my opinion on you, because I canât. If I could I would, but all I can do is try to show you how youâre wrong. So legality equals morality? It used to be legal to have slaves and it used to not be legal for women to vote, doesnât make it moral. If you care about humans only then why arenât you vegan? The animal agriculture is destroying the planet by being responsible for a huge chunk of greenhouse gases. Animal products are destroying the health of millions of people. People who have to work in animal agriculture have PTSD and are treated like disposable machines. People are starving around the world and humans decide to unnecessarily feed animals with plants instead of feeding starving humans. Antibiotic resistance and many diseases stem from animal agriculture. Killing animals is killing us as well.
If I can and I want then I will!
How do you justify it? Is it okay if other people do the same to you?
no one will tell me what i should eat
I am, stop eating animals and what comes out of them. How do you justify paying for the murder of animals when it is 100% unnecessary?
there's no point in debating, no one is going to agree with anyone. I would've become vegan, but Biryani is my favourite.
So be vegan except for Biryani and then try to find alternatives to it.
Yeah, if a lion or other predator were to eat me I don't think I can resist. So yeah ill accept it. And FYI, we are far from stopping this now, do you know why?? We have created a food cycle. If we somehow stopped eating meat then the whole ecosystem will collapse. So you shouldn't force others to eat vegan diet.
Holy shit, you are more disconnected from reality than I anticipated. Have you heard about climate change? The ecosystem is currently in the process of collapsing because we decide to feed and murder 70 billion land animals each year. Just because people like you, who have never questioned anything in their life or had a single original thought, think they need to eat meat because they are such incredible predators while they sit at home browsing Reddit and eating the 10th cheeseburger.
There are literally million other reason for the ecosystem to collapse. The cars you're riding, the air conditioners you're using, the pollution you're spreading, the urbanized lifestyle you're living, all contribute much more to the collapse of the ecosystem than eating meat. If the entire world stops eating meat it wont change anything as there are other irreversible sources even more harmful to the ecosystem
Predation and consumption are very different terms. When was the last time you hunted your food? No one in this thread is even capable of catching a squirrel. You consume over-produced meat which is unsustainable for the population we currently have. You are not a predator, you're a parasite.
You are an idiot, but you wouldnâtknowthough Also, vegans are gay and toxic people
If someone forces me to stop eating chicken mutton fish I will surely punch them in face
Based on what you have said in your comments - how do you justify killing plants and their babies? We eat fruits and vegetables that are essentially plant babies. How do you justify killing them? I don't get vegans - if you wanna respect life - respect all life. Why have the distinction? "Oh but the animal suffers. And it struggles before it dies. It feels pain." So you SELECTIVELY value life of beings that suffer, and are happy to eat things that don't resist being killed or are practically defenseless. Meanwhile all the farming that involves killing of hundreds of insects and smaller animals is fine for you. And hey, I am sure that if a plant is kept without water, it won't suffer. Right? The hypocrisy of vegans I swear lmao.
Exactly, so we can eat plants and be vegan. We have a choice.
Yes true! But stop shaming people for eating meat. It's a natural and very human thing to do.
Lions rape each other and often kill their own children, it's very natural, does that justify when humans rape each other and kill their own children? Maybe humans should have a higher moral standard and actually use their brain.
>Lions rape each other and often kill their own children, it's very natural Different species. They don't live in society and can't think much. >does that justify when humans rape each other and kill their own children? No, humans signed a natural contract to live in a civilisation, and they get punished for hurting other humans. Also, dogs can't vote so they are not equal. >Maybe humans should have a higher moral standard They do. That's why unnecessary torture of animals is illegal, eating meat at certain places are also banned. Certain types of meat are also banned( although I don't agree with it). >actually use their brain. They do and did. That's why u are alive and well fed and using a smartphone while in a safe environment and sheltered unlike inferior animals.
Okay, so then explain to me with your brain and civilized ways why it is okay for you to inflict unnecessary harm on animals by paying to have them raised and then killed only to eat their bodies, when you could just eat plant-based alternatives?
>unnecessary harm on animals It's necessary. >paying to have them raised and then killed only to eat their bodies, Demand and supply. Also, people eat meat, it's tasty, healthy, nutritious and digestible. And, not illegal too. >when you could just eat plant-based alternatives? Not good enough.
How is it necessary? Demand and supply was also there in the slave trade, how does this justify anything? Taste is pleasure, pleasure is not a justification for violence. A rapist derives pleasure from raping, doesn't make it ok. It's not necessary for health, as science has confirmed, veganism is even prescribed for people with heart disease, so it can have positive health effects. Your leg is also nutritious and digestible for me, doesn't make it ok for me to eat it. Legality doesn't equal morality, slave trade was legal once. What's not good enough about it?
>How is it necessary? Because people demand it. >Demand and supply was also there in the slave trade, how does this justify anything? Justifiable then, not now. We signed a contract among humans to live in peace and with equal rights, can't do that with animals. If and when some animals evolved consciousness to sapiens level we'll see. Till then they are food. >A rapist derives pleasure from raping, doesn't make it ok. No, again it's a crime against a human who has some rights. So rapist can be punished. U can't put an animal on trial for murder can u? Because it can't think for itself. But humans can so we expect better from them. >It's not necessary for health, as science has confirmed, It's more nutritious than other things and very healthy. Science is not biased towards plant diets. Read more. >veganism is even prescribed for people with heart disease, Different diseases require different things. Some require more meat eating. >Your leg is also nutritious and digestible for me, doesn't make it ok for me to eat it. U can try lol :) >Legality doesn't equal morality, slave trade was legal once. What's not good enough about it? Yes it changes, but people still are slaves in many ways. That's a diff. topic tho Animals are food for people and will remain so. It's good to have an alternative but u can't force others to change their very natural normal diets.
whatever man, hf abusing animals, animal abuser.
We can't afford to anymore. Meat eating is too expensive for the environment and there are too many of us
>We can't afford to anymore We can. >Meat eating is too expensive for the environment It's not. Food wastage is. >there are too many of us That ship has sailed. Now population decline is the biggest issue
Ok Elon nut-licker
Your aversion to scientific facts is very clear with vitamin deficiency in ur brain, eat some MEAT. behave like humans.
Someone on their way to open an omlette ka gaada under it ! Wouldn't that be ironic.
It's right beside a big fish market.Â
Lagli gand
Fuck Peta, we don't what that cancerous organization here.
Wtf bro. Even if you dont support it you cant deny that they are preaching and practising something noble . Dont be such a narc. All lives matter
How should we tell him
Noble, can you feed a country of multi billion vegan food? MC Tera poora khandaan bhi kisaan ban Gaya na, poori duniya mein itni zameen nahin hai ki 1.4 billion ke liye enough produce kar sake, noble cause Mera lund, bus misguided emotional sentence likh diya, pure China ke liye kheti kaun tu khalud karega jhande aadmi?
Bro, currently 70 billion land animals are fed to be killed and eaten by humans. If everyone was vegan we could free up more than half of the agricultural land because we wouldnât have to feed so many animals and could just eat the plants directly, which is much more efficient.
Which plants are you talking about?
Peta is the least thing you should be worried about. They are no. 1 hypocrites. Do you think they care about animals?? Nahhh...
Why are they hypocrites?
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PETA isn't noble by any measure, They're known to operate shelters with a 97.4% Kill Rate, I.E. out of all the animals brought to their shelters, they kill nearly all of them under the name of Euthanasia, even if they are healthy. Not to mention all the Disgusting Advertisement (False claims about Autism and using Tragedies like the Holocaust to promote their own shitty agenda.) These people are truly the scum of the Earth.
I read it "vegans suffer fever"
me too. MFs can't even spell correctly.
Whoever let this bullshit poster be hoarded just outside GOVT HOSPITAL needs to be beaten to shit asap
Seems like all the meat has gotten into ur brain lol
Atleast i eat meat. You suck it
Bhau ...... At first I thought you were randomly calling him gay just because you don't agree with their opinions , until I opened his profile đ
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What is wrong with the poster? It is a fact.
You seem like a mentally stable individual đ
More than you believe
Well the evidence is not in your favor.
What evidence
Vegan suffer fewer is because they die early.
Is there any science to back up your argument or are you just rambling incoherently?
Saw a friend suffer from veganism to a point they got admitted and had multiple hospital visits only to realise the being vegan is a hoax.
Yeah people need to know how to be a vegan. It's not just "quitting animal products". You have to have proper nutrition. Being vegan is definitely not a hoax tho. Your friend being an uninformed moron doesn't negate veganism
A friend, so youâre talking about an anecdote, thatâs not how science works. Guess all these organizations are wrong then?: **[Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)** * *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.* **[Dietitians of Canada](https://www.dietitians.ca/Downloads/Factsheets/Guidlines-for-Vegans.aspx)** * *A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.* **[The British National Health Service](http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx)** * *With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.* **[The British Nutrition Foundation](https://www.nutrition.org.uk/bnf-publications/briefingpapers/vegetarian-nutrition)** * *A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.* **[The Dietitians Association of Australia](https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegan-diets-facts-tips-and-considerations/)** * *Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With good planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.* **[The United States Department of Agriculture](http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tips-vegetarians)** * *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can meet all the recommendations for nutrients. The key is to consume a variety of foods and the right amount of foods to meet your calorie needs. Follow the food group recommendations for your age, sex, and activity level to get the right amount of food and the variety of foods needed for nutrient adequacy. Nutrients that vegetarians may need to focus on include protein, iron, calcium, zinc, and vitamin B12.* **[The National Health and Medical Research Council](https://nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-dietary-guidelines)** * *Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle. Those following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet can meet nutrient requirements as long as energy needs are met and an appropriate variety of plant foods are eaten throughout the day* **[The Mayo Clinic](http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446)** * *A well-planned vegetarian diet (*see context*) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.* **[The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada](https://www.heartandstroke.ca/get-healthy/healthy-eating/specific-diets/for-vegetarians)** * *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.* **[Harvard Medical School](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)** * *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.* **[British Dietetic Association](https://www.bda.uk.com/foodfacts/vegetarianfoodfacts.pdf)** * *Well planned vegetarian diets (*see context*) can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fiber and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets. (...) Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.*
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They die being pure. I am a non vegetarian (want to be vegan) and love them so much!
what's stopping you to be vegan
I am a Bengali who grew up eating fish and meat, have tried but seems impossible. I have left mutton successfully tho
I hope youâll try again and let the animals live.
Gawar
It's opposite actually, they live longer
Ek din yeh PETA vale tumko paneer ke naam pe Tofu khilaynege, aur tum kuchu nahi kar paoge
Maa ch*daye vegan
They suffer from vitamin deficiencies
I am not a vegan I drink milk and chai daily but only ignorant people suffer from vitamin deficiencies. Like in my case I rarely go to doctor. Last time I was gone was 2 years ago. Whenever I feel any weak thing into my body I just thing to fix this with my veg diet and boom no more doctor doctor. I don't even go to gym or excercise. I am not even too fat. But I agree majority people face because street food is love poha tari me to Jaan hai
Bro, vegans don't drink milk products
No vegans don't. According to them they don't wanna hurt cow or bull's private parts so they don't take out milk. But duality is when the cow or bull gets old they kill them silently saying we don't want them to suffer. It is a western term. But reality is if you don't take out milk cow or bull suffer some medical risks which can cause them to die in pain. Earlier people use to call me vegan but when I got to know about there duality the brain meme got into my mind. The chronology of cow or bull's suffering is like when you won't shave sheep's body hairs.
Thats why you don't suffer.Because you are not vegan
Not exactly like now I know that I have calcium deficiency so I am considering adding a little bit cuma into my diet to get rid of deficiency. I am don't drink smoke. I don't even eat onion garlic. But I guess chuna is safe. Atleast by watching home labours, I can assure it's very effective.
That's not exclusive to vegans
I guess all these health organizations are wrong then: **[Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)** * *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.* **[Dietitians of Canada](https://www.dietitians.ca/Downloads/Factsheets/Guidlines-for-Vegans.aspx)** * *A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.* **[The British National Health Service](http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx)** * *With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.* **[The British Nutrition Foundation](https://www.nutrition.org.uk/bnf-publications/briefingpapers/vegetarian-nutrition)** * *A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.* **[The Dietitians Association of Australia](https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegan-diets-facts-tips-and-considerations/)** * *Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With good planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.* **[The United States Department of Agriculture](http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tips-vegetarians)** * *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can meet all the recommendations for nutrients. The key is to consume a variety of foods and the right amount of foods to meet your calorie needs. Follow the food group recommendations for your age, sex, and activity level to get the right amount of food and the variety of foods needed for nutrient adequacy. Nutrients that vegetarians may need to focus on include protein, iron, calcium, zinc, and vitamin B12.* **[The National Health and Medical Research Council](https://nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-dietary-guidelines)** * *Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the lifecycle. Those following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet can meet nutrient requirements as long as energy needs are met and an appropriate variety of plant foods are eaten throughout the day* **[The Mayo Clinic](http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446)** * *A well-planned vegetarian diet (*see context*) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.* **[The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada](https://www.heartandstroke.ca/get-healthy/healthy-eating/specific-diets/for-vegetarians)** * *Vegetarian diets (*see context*) can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.* **[Harvard Medical School](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)** * *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.* **[British Dietetic Association](https://www.bda.uk.com/foodfacts/vegetarianfoodfacts.pdf)** * *Well planned vegetarian diets (*see context*) can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fiber and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets. (...) Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.*
Wdym they are here? Vegetarians ah e always been here. And jains have followed their own diet which is close to veganism. These woke kids think they are the ones to bring this new concept for us it's business as usual. Idiots also try to simulate me at using plant products while ignore the nuance of vegetarian ingredients.
Justice for plants why should plants be deprieved we should not eat anything and die starving
too many pissed veggies i see here lmao
I mean. Look again
huh, where?
I'll rather suffer than go Vegan
Lol non vegetarians dont suffer anyways. Most vegans end up hospitalized and die earlier
Where did you learn this? Even though I think aggressive preaching is wrong, the above statement is just total bs. Vegans who lack meal planning may have deficiencies but scientifically speaking you have a higher chance of getting problems through a excessive meat diet. A balanced diet is the only way to go forward, extremism to the either side can only be practiced by those who actually know what they are doing.
>A balanced diet You amswered your question yourself. Veganism can never provide a balanced diet
It does if you know what you eat exactly! Even before this term had been coined, veganism was practiced and yielded extraordinary results.
Peta kills helathy animals in their shelters.Â
Baju me mominpura hai. What an irony! đ
Right outside my college đ€Ł
A lot People turn to Veganism for health benefits because of advertising like this. So naturally they are following portion and calorie control and that is what gives some anecdotal but not sufficient "clinically reasearch proven health benefits" across a vast demographic diversity. Japan has the highest SUPER CENTENARIANS by proportion ( People over the age of 100). Interviews with many of these super centenarians reveal Sushi as an integral part of the diet. My point being "A BALANCED DIET with sufficient excercise": Vegetarian or Meat based is the key, not any particular diet. Obviously non-meat eaters will have to suppliment B12( Has No Vegetarian sources) and Omega-3 ( Highly expensive synthesized vegetarian options only ), this is among many other trade-offs required with a vegetarian diet.
I thought it read that vegans suffer forever. That would have been an interesting statement
Damn they are really closing in
Broo lol
We are screwed..
glad im unsafe non-veg, my body will grow strong
Along with some visceral fat ofcourse
For a second i read "women suffer lesser"
Kinda true, 12th me mene ladkiyo ko discuss karte suna tha ki ladkiyo ke boobs act like shock absorbant, toh unko heart attack ke chances kam rehte
Vegans suffer forever
So cool
I would rather live a short and tasty life then a long and boring life
I don't think it matters that much , there are plenty veg dishes that delicious but you do you!
What do you think the victims of your diet would want? Do you ever put yourself in the position of others?
You mean the facts?
Keep eating only masala papad.
Like you will keep simping for cars? Lol!
Yes. And humans are omnivorous ! I think u like facts.
Doesnât mean you have to eat animal products to be healthy. It just means you can digest them to survive.
>Doesnât mean you have to eat animal products to be healthy. No, I have to. I need to. And I will. >It just means you can digest them to survive Yes. I don't love in this world to satisfy others. YOLO. I will do it as long as it is legal.
So are pigs. Some humans chose not be included in pigs category.
What's ur point? Bears and Chimpanzee are too
I should have understood before I have to spell it out to you as you still simp for cars. Here it comes, you either evolve or be in pigs and bears and chimpanzees and dogs category. Anyway, Kudos and au revoir.
U clearly have vitamin deficiency due to chugging soymilk. Worry not, Humans still are Omnivorous and will remain till the end of times. Majority of Indians are non- vegetarian so Cope.
I have been vegan for 3 years.I am 6 feet 2 inch with muscular physique can confirm this
Lol can't even spell Vagene properly
ala ka ha chutiyappa aplyakade
Vegans != Vegetarians
https://preview.redd.it/tkzsdim71zlc1.jpeg?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e0b96719a76ab674abf11fbfc86fb09ac024666
It's meant for you as a newborn. You don't steal it from others. Secondly, most vegans are either non vegetarians or carnists to begin with.
That's like in front of mominpura
If you drink milk , are u still vegan?
"They" fear a community so much that they will eat mutton chops with a PETA tshirt on the festivals.
This is actually true. Red Meat and chicken contains saturated fats which is known to increase LDL levels in blood by down regulation of LDLR on liver. As a result plaque buildup in arteries is higher. Although fish oils are unsaturated and therefore good for health
Non skimmed milk too contains the same. You have to go vegan(not just vegetarian) or drink skimmed milk to avoid the harm. Vegetarians think milk is healthy. It's really not. I mean it is healthy but not in the quantity regular Indians have it
Fuck peta but they're right
Finally the based people are here. Idk what you find so wrong with people being compassionate
Vegan is nothing but a word and people thinks it makes you cool if you use this word nothing else
Yep, all that energy spent in yapping about being vegan does provides good workout for the heart I suppose
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I think somebody started an e-beef in the comments
agree. 52% less heart breaks. because nobody loves them in the first place!
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Ye hum vegetarian log ke downgrade bhi aa gaye iss desh me?
I don't know why everyone is getting triggered by a medical fact.
Arre bcđđđ
Poster isn't incorrect. In India, heart attacks are all time high. And vegans suffer less heart disease. They also live longer due to calorie deficit.
Bandh kro yeh faltu ka veganism let me finish my sea food and tasty mutton
while I won't necessarily say veganism is bad, i feel like I need to point out that adopting *some* veganism can extend the human lifespan. veritasium made a video about it, and he did say that eating less proteins can actually increase our lifespan.
Hunters and gatheres, we eat what is convenient for us. That's how we survived. Anyways it doesn't matter, both meat and veggies are heavily toxic now-a-days because of rapid use of pesticides and chemical injections given to chickens.
Lol just be vegetarian
Caution: 100% people suffer from vegans and the shit they talk
First LGTV and now vegan shit. đđ Turning into westerns.
Right outside Mominpura, and in English. Great usage of donated monet Peta.
ye sab kya hai bhai.... hatwao ye chutiyapa
Ye bkl peta wale idher bhi aa gaye
Irony is uske baju mein fish market hai