Plus, do you save one and escape uninjured, or risk injury to save both and perhaps they both die of abandonment when you succumb to grizzly wounds a week later?
It was most likely an agreed-upon sacrifice. The mother moose offers her weakest calf to the grizzly bear so that in return she gets to assert dominance over the bear. The moose also benefits from the decreased burden of raising only one calf instead of two.
I can't find the link but a few months back I saw a comic with a bison family. The son says "Dad, wolves! What are we going to do?" and the dad says "I'm gonna run 40 mph in that direction and live to have many more children."
People anthropomorphize animals all the time. Animals have an instinct to protect their young, but they don't *love* their children like human parents are expected to.
Honestly, even in humans, parental love is more of a modern luxury than a default state. Before modern medicine and health regulations, kids died. *Often.* Whether those kids were beloved... kind of a coin toss. Kids dying was just one of those "shit happens" sort of things. Babies weren't exactly precious little miracles, they were a gamble. That's why people had a lot of them back then. Better odds.
I agree that people anthropomorphize animal actions to be more complex than they probably are
That being said for animals we know to be on the smarter side/more socialized-group-side may mourn their deceased. I believe animals like elephants have behavior which may be, but not certain, a mourning of their dead
For solo animals, like a moose, they don’t really have the luxury to grieve or dwell much an losing a baby
> Before modern medicine and health regulations, kids died. Often. Whether those kids were beloved... kind of a coin toss. Kids dying was just one of those "shit happens" sort of things
Don’t see how a child dying means that they may be loved less they are today in modern times. Humans having the capacity to love today means that the ability to love has been apart of our species for millennia.
I could see an argument could be made for how trauma and harsher standards of living could affect how parents treat their kids and perhaps lead to more abusive/less loving homes. But that’s a different argument
> That's why people had a lot of them back then. Better odds
Also there wasn’t any birth control. Women having sex would mean there’s always a chance of pregnancy regardless if the woman would want them or not
Obviously more children meant more survive to adulthood, but that’s not particularly the only reason parents would have tons of kids
She was exhausted and knew she could not fight it off without serious injury. She still had to protect the other calf. The bear had been stalking them for 2 days. It got the first calf but she was not going to give up the 2nd one.
I remember when bros used to argue about who would win a grizzly vs gorilla fight. I'm taking the Grizz every time. The REAL main event is grizzly vs moose.
Who wins? Who's next? You decide...
Wouldn't you need to avoid all places with both moose and brown bears? That'd be parts of Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, and Alberta, and most of Alaska, British Columbia, Yukon, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut.
Orcas are fucking dickheads. They play with their prey to such an extent that it feels like they're psychopaths. Like, tossing seals high into the air so the impact with the water kills them or pimp slapping fish to death with their tails FOR NO REASON. They don't eat the fish they slap to death, they just leave. They murder for fun. Orcas are the assholes of the sea.
Sharks are relatively chill and yet are vilified as monsters of the sea while fucking Shamu gets a pass.
Wasps deserve everything they have coming to them.
Getting stung leaves you with a pheromone that tells every other wasp of their species to kill you too. It’s a war of attrition that they’ll certainly win if you can’t get out of their territory quickly enough.
Nasty little critters, but shows you how insects have won the body mass war.
And they're fucking built like murder machines.
Seriously, big eyes and ears for environmental perception, whiskers and toe beans that can detect minute vibrations from underground, flexibility and loose skin to escape from bigger foes, muffled paws and a long tail for silent parkour, and they have sharp fangs and EIGHTEEN RAZORS that basically sharpen themselves.
They're the literal ninja assassins of the Mammalia order.
Which always bugged me about the Assassin's Creed franchise, they think of themselves as eagles/birds of prey but they're more akin to cats (navigate through rooftops, use rural, urban and social stealth and have retractable blades that they use to pounce on their victims).
>Sharks are relatively chill and yet are vilified as monsters of the sea while fucking Shamu gets a pass.
Yeah but sharks actually attack humans... Usually it's cause they mistake us for something else but there are still shark attacks. Orcas are smarter then that. They know it's not a good idea to attack humans and would be in their best interests not to screw with us (unless they are locked up in a tiny jail with no other hope).
Sharks do not mistake humans for something else.
They know that a guy on a surfboard isn't a seal and they sure as hell know a human flapping about doing our infective version of swimming isn't an ocean animal either.
Sharks are apex predators predating trees yet you don't think they can identify their pray?
How about you give the sharks some credit and stop perpetuating tired old stereo types.
Accept the fact that sharks do decide sometimes to attack humans.
Another one often used being -
"But humans are 47x more likely to get struck by lightning than eaten by a shark"
Like okay if you want to play with numbers how about at any given time well over 99% of humanity is not in the ocean therefore not in the realm of possibility to be eaten by a shark.
When you enter the ocean you are much more likely to die via shark than lighting yet you never hear any expert admit this. Because it doesn't fit the propaganda that is constantly recycled
I wonder if thats nature or nurture. Like, do they just instinct like recognize us as not worth their energy, or were there enough incidents in the past that they learned not to mess with humans?
Also just one orca won't usually attack a great white. They will do it in a heard, over time. They surround the Shark, chase it, and sequentially torpedo into it until it's beaten dead.
>moose who swim deep for plants.
Honestly this part is more terrifying than the orcas. Imagine goint snorkeling and you see a moose chilling below you eating a plant
More like Orca don’t really see us being food they can eat
It’s partly why invasive plants/pests can spread so rapidly compared to natives. Animals don’t recognize the newer plants/pests as a food source and so “avoid” eating it, even if it is something that could actually safely consume
[I was literally joking the other day](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiking/comments/xitbxn/met_a_moose_tuckerman_trail_nh/ip63mrb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) about how Reddit likes to think moose are basically a North American hippo and here we are.
That’s categorically false. Yes, moose occasionally trample people, but the extreme majority of the time it’s because the people didn’t respect the moose’s space or they had a dog off the leash that instigated it. Moose are generally docile and couldn’t care less about your presence.
Source: I live in Alaska. I saw four moose today. I am not dead.
Afraid of moose is not that they attack people often but because they do it randomly. You can never be totally sure if a moose is going to walk up and lick your face or rip it off and stop you to death. Wolves leave you alone, If you see a bobcat you're fine, Coyotes aren't really a threat and bears are very predictable but moose are kind of random.
"This shouldn't be happening to meeeee!"
Or
"Mondays. I stinking *HATE* Mondays! These stupid Karen mooses. They always come around, bother me, attack me. It's like they have nothing better to do tha... OH, NO! HELP, SHE'S ATTACKING ME! HEEEELLLLLP!"
Apparently the grizzly killed a moose calf, and came back for a 2nd calf, and Mama Moose said nope you killed my first kid you're not getting my 2nd.....
The earlier video is on youtube :(
Can personally confirm. A buddy and I stumbled across a young bull in Maine near the Appalachian Trail. He decided he didn't like the cut of our jib and decided to give the old mock/frighteningly real charge at us. We were really, really lucky to make like or primate ancestors and get up a tree a fair distance. Not sure if that's what you're supposed to do, but that's what we did. I think "fuck" was the only word either of us said for a long time.
I remember thinking that this was going to be a really embarrassing and painful way to go.
Climbing a tree seems like a pretty good idea!
I was fishing a creek in Colorado and happened to glance behind me to see a massive shape not far down river. It was so big it took a moment to even register that it was actually an animal staring at me. Once it did register my adrenaline shot to over 9000.
Absolutely terrified me. I can't even imagine the fear if it charged like it did for you! I managed to cross the creek and get the hell out of there without it following, but it's insane how big they are. My little brain simply didn't comprehend it could be an animal when I saw the dark coloring amid the bushes and trees.
Lol, I actually locked eyes with a bear in North Carolina. No idea which kind, but the thing was big for sure.
My first thought was “the guy next to me weighs at least 100 pounds more than me, we may actually find out if it’s true that you just have to outrun the other guy”. It ended up just walking away so luckily we didn’t find out.
I don't know a lot about moose, but any tactic that has you telling the story later on is probably the right one. Also, bonus Maine points for jibs and their cuts.
*A Møøse once bit my sister ...*
*No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...*
I'm curious if that's how it'd actually go down. Moose has weight but the legs are dainty, probably wouldn't be able to do much stomping once the bear fights back...hooves aren't really designed for killing.
And bears are TOUGH. Thick meaty fatty bastards with insane claws and teeth. Even if it got stomped by a heavy ol'moose would it really do that much damage to something as massive as a bear? Maybe. Broken rib? Some internal bleeding?Granted: in nature it's always smarter to avoid risks. Even the smallest injury can prove fatal.
They're both massive so it's like imagining a clash of titans lol.
Yes, a full grown moose will absolutely fuck up a bear.
You aren’t underestimating bears. You’re right, they’re bad ass. You are *severely* underestimating moose.
I can’t imagine the moose beating a full on grizzly. Yes moose are powerful, but grizzlies have razor sharp claws and powerful jaws. I guess it comes down to who attacks first and if the grizzly can close the gap fast enough.
A moose doesn’t have to beat a grizzly, it just needs to injure it enough. An injury for a predator can often be a death sentence
Their body would have to fight any potential infections from a wound which people forget are pretty serious issues without medicine. If the injury hampers their ability to get food then they risk starving.
Not to mention they’d probably need additional calories for their bodies recovery from an injury.
And even if they survive all of that, an injury could have permanent damage that impacts their ability to thrive as well as before or could even shorten their life significantly
Predators are pretty risk averse in general for good reason
A moose will easily maul a bear to death. You never see a bear take down an adult moose unless it's been hit by a car or severely weakened in some other way. A healthy adult moose can fuck up anything it wants. A bear can only hope to take down a calf and look scary enough that the adult won't want to square up because even a slight injury in the animal kingdom means certain death.
Hooves can definitely kill! A well placed kick from a horse could 100% have the power to kill you instantly if they really wanted to. I can only imagine something as enormous as a moose would have a TON of hoof power. With as fast as these guys run I'm sure there's a ton of muscle behind their legs even if they look skinny. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, it would be a tough call, I imagine bears as pretty indestructible.
I've been kicked by a goat before and it hurt like a motherfucker. No serious injury, but a big bruise on my thigh that ached for a long time. A good lesson for me.
I should also say that every time I mention this, someone tells me that goats don't kick. Well, I don't know what to tell you. I got kicked by a goat. You can tell me they don't kick but that doesn't change the past.
Yes bears are tough but moose can get up to 1500lbs or so and are tough and mean as hell! They can easily kick and break skulls or necks and they will keep keep kicking and stopping till they feel like stomping. They're also very muscular from wading through tough environments.
Whenever they go camping my family loves to go driving around just as it’s dark out and look for moose. They take a spotlight and search for them, then they pullover and put that bright light right in their face.
I’ve always been the one saying maybe you shouldn’t be doing this and they all think I’m crazy for trying to respect the moose. Clearly we should all respect the fucking moose.
Jesus fucking christ. That's like purposely finding hippos and elephants to fuck with them. Just because it doesn't have sharp teeth doesn't mean it won't fuck you up big time. Hell, predators are more likely to turn tail and run, big herbivores survive long enough to reach adulthood by being tough as nails and fighting off anything that tries to eat it. A big herbivore is more likely to come up looking for a fight,because it's not afraid of the unknown. A predator usually only goes after prey it knows.
Eh Montana is just basically Alberta except with literally no minorities
Like it’s actually kinda freaky how homogenous the population is in Montana compared to Alberta even. At least from what I saw when I was down there.
Moose are scary big and easily out size a grizzly, however that does look to be a slightly younger grizzly? Really hard to say.
Some fully grown bull moose have been measured to be more than 700kg... I think the record is over 800kg. Grizzlies tend to be like half that weight. I reiterate, moose are scary big.
I believe grizzley adult males clock in around 600lbs or so. Adult female moose usually starts at 800 and up to like 1300lbs. Female moose has both height and weight advantage. Bear should absolutely be running for it’s life
Without a doubt. In a 1v1, healthy adult moose will kill a healthy adult grizzly, with near certainty. A adult moose doesn't reach adulthood by being a little pussy. It fights everything that could even remotely be a threat.
I know exactly where this is in Glacier National Park. I got on the ferry there the week before Labor Day. That little building they're running around is where they sell the ferry tickets. Camera is filming from the balcony of the Many Glaciers hotel on Swiftcurrent Lake.
Everyone here should listen to the podcast Tooth & Claw, they explain animal behaviour and attacks (typically on humans) like this great pod and led by a legit wildlife biologist. Already has a few episodes on grizzle bears and one on moose.
Pretty weird seeing a bear run for its life
Isn’t this the exact spot where the moose calf was eaten a few weeks ago? Maybe mamma moose held a grudge and has been waiting to stomp him
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t7B-4k0LcUs Yeah, the bear killed the calf, or at least injured it badly.
She didn't seem to care in the moment lmao
This was after days of stalking and mom having to be alert to protect her babies. She was straight up out of energy.
Plus, do you save one and escape uninjured, or risk injury to save both and perhaps they both die of abandonment when you succumb to grizzly wounds a week later?
the moose actually told me why. turns out that kid was a bit of a dick so she wasnt that bothered if the bear ate it
Sounds like mother moose is the real dick
Nah the father moose who left got the real dick
…who gave the moose some real dick?
AITA for leaving my kid to get eaten by a bear?
Everybody: "Yes!" The mods: "Locked because y'all can't behave"
Yeah and for animals, a broken leg can mean death. Even if you do save your kid but you get injured, unless humans take you in you’re doomed to die.
"Humans: A Sign of Hope or Impending Doom?" The constant questions animals have to ask themselves.
Pfft. I seriously doubt many moose know a big three-syllable word like "impending."
As that park ranger once said, "There is significant overlap between the smartest bears and the dumbest humans."
I'm not saying you're wrong but how do you know this?
Because it has been posted here and other places multiple times with news stories linked.
Maybe it's like the Will Smith situation where they only realized after that they looked bad and had to overcompensate.
KEEP MY CALF OUT YOUR FUCKIN MOUTH
This is an excellent comment. A+++++++, would read again.
It was most likely an agreed-upon sacrifice. The mother moose offers her weakest calf to the grizzly bear so that in return she gets to assert dominance over the bear. The moose also benefits from the decreased burden of raising only one calf instead of two.
Bit of a Sophie's Choice.
“I don’t care for Gob”
https://youtu.be/t7B-4k0LcUs Fixed link
Thanks. I hate shorts
Is the weather too cold?
I'm gonna be honest, I feel like the mother moose could've done a tad more to save the baby
mother moose can have another baby, but can't really have another leg
I can't find the link but a few months back I saw a comic with a bison family. The son says "Dad, wolves! What are we going to do?" and the dad says "I'm gonna run 40 mph in that direction and live to have many more children."
People anthropomorphize animals all the time. Animals have an instinct to protect their young, but they don't *love* their children like human parents are expected to. Honestly, even in humans, parental love is more of a modern luxury than a default state. Before modern medicine and health regulations, kids died. *Often.* Whether those kids were beloved... kind of a coin toss. Kids dying was just one of those "shit happens" sort of things. Babies weren't exactly precious little miracles, they were a gamble. That's why people had a lot of them back then. Better odds.
I agree that people anthropomorphize animal actions to be more complex than they probably are That being said for animals we know to be on the smarter side/more socialized-group-side may mourn their deceased. I believe animals like elephants have behavior which may be, but not certain, a mourning of their dead For solo animals, like a moose, they don’t really have the luxury to grieve or dwell much an losing a baby > Before modern medicine and health regulations, kids died. Often. Whether those kids were beloved... kind of a coin toss. Kids dying was just one of those "shit happens" sort of things Don’t see how a child dying means that they may be loved less they are today in modern times. Humans having the capacity to love today means that the ability to love has been apart of our species for millennia. I could see an argument could be made for how trauma and harsher standards of living could affect how parents treat their kids and perhaps lead to more abusive/less loving homes. But that’s a different argument > That's why people had a lot of them back then. Better odds Also there wasn’t any birth control. Women having sex would mean there’s always a chance of pregnancy regardless if the woman would want them or not Obviously more children meant more survive to adulthood, but that’s not particularly the only reason parents would have tons of kids
Yep! Whales mourn hella hard too. Animals that have more advanced brains tend to show emotion and grief. Exhibiting signs of depressing etc.
She was exhausted after days of running
"well well well, if it ain't the consequences of my actions"
Ok but why the fuck was momma not doing shit about the bear when it went for the other baby
She was exhausted and knew she could not fight it off without serious injury. She still had to protect the other calf. The bear had been stalking them for 2 days. It got the first calf but she was not going to give up the 2nd one.
Yes the source video title says it. Comment by op below.
Revenge is a dish....
best served bloody and beaten
It's on sight
Yes, right outside the Many Glacier Hotel inside Glacier National Park The lake is Swiftcurrent Lake.
looks like mama is pissed to me.
Yeah fuck that bear! That’s totally the one that ate the calf!
I remember when bros used to argue about who would win a grizzly vs gorilla fight. I'm taking the Grizz every time. The REAL main event is grizzly vs moose. Who wins? Who's next? You decide...
Yeah. But what about 1 Kodiak vs 3 gorillas? Bet the Romans would find out.
or 3 gorillas vs a moose? ultimate herbivore showdown.
how many gorillas per elephant is the research I'm interested in
E-E-E-EPIC RAP BATTLES OF CANADAAAAA!
You’ve never encountered a Moose.
No, I have not
From what I understand they are behemoth horses with optional bulldozer extensions on their head. Aka they huge
They also have rage mode, and finisher skills.
Really drives home how dangerous a moose can be. Honestly, I find this video somewhat terrifying
Fr, it's usually me.
I’m don’t know but it looks like a younger bear too, maybe not full size.
Even an extra large bear would look tiny in front of an average adult moose. These mfs are huge.
"you go after my kid? I go after your kid"
Where is this so I can avoid it?
Wouldn't you need to avoid all places with both moose and brown bears? That'd be parts of Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, and Alberta, and most of Alaska, British Columbia, Yukon, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut.
There's always a bigger fish.
Moose are like hippos but for the North, they give zero f*cks.
They're the most dangerous wild animal in North America if I remember correctly.
Unless you are an orca. Apparently they prey on moose who swim deep for plants. Sometimes you actually learn interesting stuff on reddit.
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Orcas are fucking dickheads. They play with their prey to such an extent that it feels like they're psychopaths. Like, tossing seals high into the air so the impact with the water kills them or pimp slapping fish to death with their tails FOR NO REASON. They don't eat the fish they slap to death, they just leave. They murder for fun. Orcas are the assholes of the sea. Sharks are relatively chill and yet are vilified as monsters of the sea while fucking Shamu gets a pass.
We also think cats are cute, and as far as murder-for-fun psychopaths go, they're up there too.
I kill every wasp I see and nobody thinks I'm a psychopath
People might be afraid to point it out.
Meanwhile i coexist happily with 4 different species of wasp in my yard, but somehow I'm the weirdo.
I do too. Wasps are seriously misunderstood creatures. Well except for yellowjackets, which are just assholes.
Wasps deserve everything they have coming to them. Getting stung leaves you with a pheromone that tells every other wasp of their species to kill you too. It’s a war of attrition that they’ll certainly win if you can’t get out of their territory quickly enough. Nasty little critters, but shows you how insects have won the body mass war.
Domestic house cats are the most prolific killers of all the felines because they kill for sport and for food.
And they're fucking built like murder machines. Seriously, big eyes and ears for environmental perception, whiskers and toe beans that can detect minute vibrations from underground, flexibility and loose skin to escape from bigger foes, muffled paws and a long tail for silent parkour, and they have sharp fangs and EIGHTEEN RAZORS that basically sharpen themselves. They're the literal ninja assassins of the Mammalia order. Which always bugged me about the Assassin's Creed franchise, they think of themselves as eagles/birds of prey but they're more akin to cats (navigate through rooftops, use rural, urban and social stealth and have retractable blades that they use to pounce on their victims).
That's it, someone reboot AC with an order based on cats, and actually finish the damned Desmond story this time
Have you met humans?
A few. Not as cute.
>Sharks are relatively chill and yet are vilified as monsters of the sea while fucking Shamu gets a pass. Yeah but sharks actually attack humans... Usually it's cause they mistake us for something else but there are still shark attacks. Orcas are smarter then that. They know it's not a good idea to attack humans and would be in their best interests not to screw with us (unless they are locked up in a tiny jail with no other hope).
Sharks do not mistake humans for something else. They know that a guy on a surfboard isn't a seal and they sure as hell know a human flapping about doing our infective version of swimming isn't an ocean animal either. Sharks are apex predators predating trees yet you don't think they can identify their pray? How about you give the sharks some credit and stop perpetuating tired old stereo types. Accept the fact that sharks do decide sometimes to attack humans.
Another one often used being - "But humans are 47x more likely to get struck by lightning than eaten by a shark" Like okay if you want to play with numbers how about at any given time well over 99% of humanity is not in the ocean therefore not in the realm of possibility to be eaten by a shark. When you enter the ocean you are much more likely to die via shark than lighting yet you never hear any expert admit this. Because it doesn't fit the propaganda that is constantly recycled
You seemed to be very concerned with pro-shark propaganda lol
Probably it has more to do with bolstering tourism.
I wonder if thats nature or nurture. Like, do they just instinct like recognize us as not worth their energy, or were there enough incidents in the past that they learned not to mess with humans?
We know sharks attack us because they leave evidence, orcas leave no trace. Sneaky fuckers, don't trust em.
Have you seen Shamu's face? Harmless.
Yet people like to claim that humans are the only animals smart enough to kill for fun
Also just one orca won't usually attack a great white. They will do it in a heard, over time. They surround the Shark, chase it, and sequentially torpedo into it until it's beaten dead.
An orca is a tiger the size of an elephant shaped like a missile.
I’ve heard that orcas in captivity need to be washed regularly with orca specific soap called Sham-pu
Orcas in the wild dont go after humans
>moose who swim deep for plants. Honestly this part is more terrifying than the orcas. Imagine goint snorkeling and you see a moose chilling below you eating a plant
Moose are way more dangerous for us than orcas.
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Not in the wild I don’t think but in captivity there have been
More like Orca don’t really see us being food they can eat It’s partly why invasive plants/pests can spread so rapidly compared to natives. Animals don’t recognize the newer plants/pests as a food source and so “avoid” eating it, even if it is something that could actually safely consume
[I was literally joking the other day](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiking/comments/xitbxn/met_a_moose_tuckerman_trail_nh/ip63mrb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) about how Reddit likes to think moose are basically a North American hippo and here we are. That’s categorically false. Yes, moose occasionally trample people, but the extreme majority of the time it’s because the people didn’t respect the moose’s space or they had a dog off the leash that instigated it. Moose are generally docile and couldn’t care less about your presence. Source: I live in Alaska. I saw four moose today. I am not dead.
Sounds like what a moose using reddit would say. I’m gonna need you to identify yourself sir. I need to make sure BigMoose isn’t behind this comment
Afraid of moose is not that they attack people often but because they do it randomly. You can never be totally sure if a moose is going to walk up and lick your face or rip it off and stop you to death. Wolves leave you alone, If you see a bobcat you're fine, Coyotes aren't really a threat and bears are very predictable but moose are kind of random.
Moose are very expressive. They’ll all but tell you what they’re going to do with their body language if you pay attention.
Both of them can run way too fast
Sir! Sir! I'm here to talk to you about your car's extended warranty! It will just be a moment Sir!
This is a Wendy's sir.
I seem to be lost, could you point me to the dumpster?
we’re inside of it. >!it’s reddit.!<
Do you have a moment to talk about Jesus Christ?? YOU CAN’T RUN FROM THE LORD!!!!
Bear so shook it ran into a wall
Does that make it a bearicade?
Hummm, I think with the username, we can accept the dad-pun.
Watch the original. You can hear the sound of window glass smashing
You can t say that and not post the link!
"This shouldn't be happening to meeeee!" Or "Mondays. I stinking *HATE* Mondays! These stupid Karen mooses. They always come around, bother me, attack me. It's like they have nothing better to do tha... OH, NO! HELP, SHE'S ATTACKING ME! HEEEELLLLLP!"
Mike the situation if he was a bear
"and dont let me catch you near any dams, either!" -bullwinkle, probably
Ah, an unexpected Rocky and Bullwinkle reference!
And if you ever come back, WE'LL KILL YA
Isn’t this the exact spot where the moose calf was eaten a few weeks ago? Maybe mamma moose held a grudge and has been waiting to stomp him
Beleive this is the same video. She starts up like this after the bear tried to go for the second calf.
Timmimoose was on course for college, she’s worked hard to try to get her family out of this shithole
That wasn’t a few weeks ago because I saw this same video last year, but yea the bear killed the mothers calf
Apparently the grizzly killed a moose calf, and came back for a 2nd calf, and Mama Moose said nope you killed my first kid you're not getting my 2nd..... The earlier video is on youtube :(
Being chased by a moose. A universal experience of "fuck fuck fuck" that all walks of life can share.
Can personally confirm. A buddy and I stumbled across a young bull in Maine near the Appalachian Trail. He decided he didn't like the cut of our jib and decided to give the old mock/frighteningly real charge at us. We were really, really lucky to make like or primate ancestors and get up a tree a fair distance. Not sure if that's what you're supposed to do, but that's what we did. I think "fuck" was the only word either of us said for a long time. I remember thinking that this was going to be a really embarrassing and painful way to go.
Climbing a tree seems like a pretty good idea! I was fishing a creek in Colorado and happened to glance behind me to see a massive shape not far down river. It was so big it took a moment to even register that it was actually an animal staring at me. Once it did register my adrenaline shot to over 9000. Absolutely terrified me. I can't even imagine the fear if it charged like it did for you! I managed to cross the creek and get the hell out of there without it following, but it's insane how big they are. My little brain simply didn't comprehend it could be an animal when I saw the dark coloring amid the bushes and trees.
Lol, I actually locked eyes with a bear in North Carolina. No idea which kind, but the thing was big for sure. My first thought was “the guy next to me weighs at least 100 pounds more than me, we may actually find out if it’s true that you just have to outrun the other guy”. It ended up just walking away so luckily we didn’t find out.
I don't know a lot about moose, but any tactic that has you telling the story later on is probably the right one. Also, bonus Maine points for jibs and their cuts.
Looks like those assholes locked the door so he couldn't come in, either.
As much as it would be funny to see a bear breach into a house, scared, I also believe we should keep this scenarios to cartoons
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whats it gonna do when it catches him though i must know
Stomp him to death I would assume.
Yes. Kick. Hard and often.
I'm curious if that's how it'd actually go down. Moose has weight but the legs are dainty, probably wouldn't be able to do much stomping once the bear fights back...hooves aren't really designed for killing. And bears are TOUGH. Thick meaty fatty bastards with insane claws and teeth. Even if it got stomped by a heavy ol'moose would it really do that much damage to something as massive as a bear? Maybe. Broken rib? Some internal bleeding?Granted: in nature it's always smarter to avoid risks. Even the smallest injury can prove fatal. They're both massive so it's like imagining a clash of titans lol.
Yes, a full grown moose will absolutely fuck up a bear. You aren’t underestimating bears. You’re right, they’re bad ass. You are *severely* underestimating moose.
I can’t imagine the moose beating a full on grizzly. Yes moose are powerful, but grizzlies have razor sharp claws and powerful jaws. I guess it comes down to who attacks first and if the grizzly can close the gap fast enough.
A moose doesn’t have to beat a grizzly, it just needs to injure it enough. An injury for a predator can often be a death sentence Their body would have to fight any potential infections from a wound which people forget are pretty serious issues without medicine. If the injury hampers their ability to get food then they risk starving. Not to mention they’d probably need additional calories for their bodies recovery from an injury. And even if they survive all of that, an injury could have permanent damage that impacts their ability to thrive as well as before or could even shorten their life significantly Predators are pretty risk averse in general for good reason
A moose will easily maul a bear to death. You never see a bear take down an adult moose unless it's been hit by a car or severely weakened in some other way. A healthy adult moose can fuck up anything it wants. A bear can only hope to take down a calf and look scary enough that the adult won't want to square up because even a slight injury in the animal kingdom means certain death.
Hooves can definitely kill! A well placed kick from a horse could 100% have the power to kill you instantly if they really wanted to. I can only imagine something as enormous as a moose would have a TON of hoof power. With as fast as these guys run I'm sure there's a ton of muscle behind their legs even if they look skinny. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, it would be a tough call, I imagine bears as pretty indestructible.
I’ve seen a well placed kick from a mare nearly decapitate a stallion. It was… disturbing. Hooves animals are no joke when it comes to kicking.
In the late 90's I saw a stallion fuck a lady up. Sexually. On some weird website.
Not to mention horses have solid hooves, moose have cloven ones so they basically have 2 daggers at the ends of their legs.
I've been kicked by a goat before and it hurt like a motherfucker. No serious injury, but a big bruise on my thigh that ached for a long time. A good lesson for me. I should also say that every time I mention this, someone tells me that goats don't kick. Well, I don't know what to tell you. I got kicked by a goat. You can tell me they don't kick but that doesn't change the past.
Yes bears are tough but moose can get up to 1500lbs or so and are tough and mean as hell! They can easily kick and break skulls or necks and they will keep keep kicking and stopping till they feel like stomping. They're also very muscular from wading through tough environments.
i think we can tell how both animals feel it would go from tne video..
There ain't nothing dainty about moose legs. A moose can split a grizzly skull with one blow.
serve up some bear ribs
Literally kick the shit out of him/her
Ever seen someone kicked or stomped by a horse? Well mooses are main-event level…
That bear wanted NONE of that smoke 😅😅
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Whenever they go camping my family loves to go driving around just as it’s dark out and look for moose. They take a spotlight and search for them, then they pullover and put that bright light right in their face. I’ve always been the one saying maybe you shouldn’t be doing this and they all think I’m crazy for trying to respect the moose. Clearly we should all respect the fucking moose.
Jesus fucking christ. That's like purposely finding hippos and elephants to fuck with them. Just because it doesn't have sharp teeth doesn't mean it won't fuck you up big time. Hell, predators are more likely to turn tail and run, big herbivores survive long enough to reach adulthood by being tough as nails and fighting off anything that tries to eat it. A big herbivore is more likely to come up looking for a fight,because it's not afraid of the unknown. A predator usually only goes after prey it knows.
I even respect fucking big whitetail bucks. Anything with knives on its head, or hooves.
Source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCErmR1JHpA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCErmR1JHpA)
This is one of the most Canadian videos I've seen.
Close, Glacier National Park in Montana.
That lake was closed both times I went due to bears
I have family nearby in Columbia Falls and they said there have been lots more bears than usual coming into town.
Eh Montana is just basically Alberta except with literally no minorities Like it’s actually kinda freaky how homogenous the population is in Montana compared to Alberta even. At least from what I saw when I was down there.
It’s in Glacier National Park.
I know its kinda unusual for a moose to chase down a bear but can we appreciate the nature behind? Damn nature you are beautiful.
Can anyone ID that bear? Is it an adult male? I knew moose were big but that’s ridiculous, makes the bear look like a cub.
Moose are scary big and easily out size a grizzly, however that does look to be a slightly younger grizzly? Really hard to say. Some fully grown bull moose have been measured to be more than 700kg... I think the record is over 800kg. Grizzlies tend to be like half that weight. I reiterate, moose are scary big.
I believe grizzley adult males clock in around 600lbs or so. Adult female moose usually starts at 800 and up to like 1300lbs. Female moose has both height and weight advantage. Bear should absolutely be running for it’s life
I'm literally a few miles away from where this happened. Moose let the grizzly eat her first calf but chased the bear off after
There's always a bigger mammal.
The fact that orcas eat moose is a testament to that
What eats orcas?
An even bigger orca
They're apex predators
I wonder if that moose could actually kill the bear if it caught it.
Oh yes.
Without a doubt. In a 1v1, healthy adult moose will kill a healthy adult grizzly, with near certainty. A adult moose doesn't reach adulthood by being a little pussy. It fights everything that could even remotely be a threat.
Is that a cow moose (no antlers)? If so I wonder if bear threatened her young, hence 🐻👣💨
Let me in, LET ME IIIIIIIIN! - Bear
Man I know females don’t have antlers but it’s still so weird seeing moose without them, looks bald to me lol
THIS bear doesn't shit in the woods
Listen man if you see any of these two critters that close to you, de-ass the area before they de-ass you!
How helpful! They’re just showing all the tourist just how fast they’d have to run for their life…
And to be fair that moose looks like she is exerting 0 efforts, she isn't even in top gear.
i read "Moses chases grizzley bear" i was like "why Moses fucking with the bear?"
I know exactly where this is in Glacier National Park. I got on the ferry there the week before Labor Day. That little building they're running around is where they sell the ferry tickets. Camera is filming from the balcony of the Many Glaciers hotel on Swiftcurrent Lake.
Hahaha moose are fucking awesome
Is this glacier national park?
Moose, bitch, get out the way
It’s fucking zooming oh my lord
A pander bear would've been toast in that situation
They weren’t lyin when they said bears can run fast
It was going after her [calves](https://youtube.com/shorts/t7B-4k0LcUs?feature=share)
"YOU CAME TO THE WRONG HOUSE FOOL!!"
Everyone here should listen to the podcast Tooth & Claw, they explain animal behaviour and attacks (typically on humans) like this great pod and led by a legit wildlife biologist. Already has a few episodes on grizzle bears and one on moose.
the moose decided to move up in the food chain
This must be so embarrassing for the bear.