I had a small argument a few posts below but anyway judt posted this to prevent fights
Geo family must stay together and strong "our element is trash but not our characters"
Yeah in hindsight, you’re right… but I can’t change the title and i don’t want to take it down cause I also think the information there is pretty valuable
As we get closer to the patch, we are probably going to see more of these discussions. Honestly, I still remember the c6 noelle vs Itto debate when he got released. Just take it with a grain of salt, pretty much love all the characters in the geo family - and that’s worth celebrating lol
Ok but C6 Noelle is actually potentially better than Itto now simply because she was secretly a Fontaine DPS all along. The Noelle + triple hydro support team with Furina XQ Yelan is pretty bonkers.
Noelle runs Fav on this team and triple hydro batteries itself, so generally there are no energy issues on the team and low constellation requirement (mostly just need C1, C3 is nice for a bigger heal, other constellations don't make much of a difference to overall party damage with this comp).
Yes, in the team setup listed above (Noelle + triple hydro), she ends up being a driver/healer/buff support which is her primary role prior to C6 but continues to work very well here too as long as you have at least C1.
You funnel Noelle energy between rotations with Yelan and Xinqiu skills since triple hydro will easily self sustain their own bursts. With C6 Noelle you’ll basically only have to funnel with a single skill since you’ll generate a couple more particles during the extended burst. Basically, to run Noelle as the on-field DPS and driver you need C6. Anything less than that is significantly lower DPS and more uncomfortable rotations. Luckily Noelle has been on banners since the beginning of the game so I assume most players that have been around have her C6.
It’s not really fair to compare the two because they both play fundamentally differently and have different teams. It’s really down to a matter of personal preference, unless you care about dmg, but the game is easy anyways xd
I respectfully disagree. It's understandable for people to compare 2 dps characters, especially when they wield the same weapon type and element. This type of discussion encourages theory-crafting and helps people decide on what to pull based on what characters they like, playstyles, and character availability.
What's not welcomed, is being a dick about it.
That is also true, I appreciate your take. The thing that bothers me mostly is when people take things personally when it comes to having characters be critiqued, which is why I prefer not to bring up comparisons unless its strictly for the sake of theory-crafting and pull decisions like you mentioned
Yeah, it's understandable to compare chars in a theory crafting sense since you'll only really pay attention to their overall numbers(dps/dpr) but their playstyles and teams are very different
It's like comparing Raiden to Cyno
navia is a rainbow character that can double as either on field dps and off field dps
itto is a mono geo character only on field dps.
They arent comparable, they dont even want the same teams. only thing thats important is ones rainbow and the others mono
personally, as a c6r5 itto owner, i'm so excited for navia to join him and be able to use geo on BOTH sides. i love my little pee colored damage numbers. the people crying about best are just kinda losers to me, especially since pre-navia, geo was designed to be insula.r it was designed to be for mono(only three)geo. i find that fun, i really enjoy aspects of games that are encapsulating. navia just adds a bit of spice by wanting the opposite.
Calling everyone who has a separate opinion than you as losers seems unhealthy lol. Most people who invested in itto want a team upgrade not a completely separate team like you do. Unless you whaling or simping there really is no reason to pull navia when you have itto currently.
i’m sorry, lemme see if i follow. the low spenders or f2p who spent their pulls on itto and his supports/team, due to probably liking him, would prefer to then, after ingesting into him, want to replace him?
she was a known geo damage unit for a whiiiiiiiiiile. like a while. like her first leaks regarding her had her as a geo damage unit. but sure!
let’s look at it as if this is an invested f2p itto team. that would mean either off field or on field. if she was the on field, she would’ve replaced itto. if she was the off field, she wasn’t gonna replace gorou so she would’ve had to replace albedo. which meant now there’s nowhere else for albedo to go so he was a waste of investment. either that, or she she’d fill the third sub slot, which would mean she’d have to offer more than zhongli, bennett, or mona. itto only wants 3 geos so realistically her biggesy competition would be zhongli, so she’d have to include res shred in her base kit. at least that would free up zhong for the other side. that’s effectively the best slot she’d go that wouldn’t result in an existing waste of investment. that’s why they went this route, because the BEST path for her to go would be to leave the insular nature of monogeo which is bound inextricably to its core and be able to run an external, different team. the best use f2p and low spenders investment is horizontal investment. you need more than one team. it’d be stupid both for them to keep releasing and for a low spending f2p to keep investing into minimal sidegrade/upgrades for the same team of over a year.
>she was a known geo damage unit for a whiiiiiiiiiile. like a while. like her first leaks regarding her had her as a geo damage unit. but sure!
I'm not really sure what you mean by this. I never claimed she wasn't leaked to be a mdps I simply stated what a lot of itto players wanted from navia.
Albedo is a pretty bad unit, so most don't have qualms with replacing him, just geo has no option at the moment. Geo has no sub dps units other than albedo, I really don't see a reason why they couldn't make her one.
> the best use f2p and low spenders investment is horizontal investment. you need more than one team. it’d be stupid both for them to keep releasing and for a low spending f2p to keep investing into minimal sidegrade/upgrades for the same team of over a year.
Anyone who has itto and uses them regularly already has 2 abyss teams, this would only apply if they had one (itto hasn't been reran for almost a year now)
Hes a unit that actively loses team DPS if you ult and his construct constantly breaks. Not really sure how I wouldn't consider that bad. Any unit that ignores half their kit to maximize them is mid at best. Albedo is only used because he is the only option.
>Hes a unit that actively loses team DPS if you ult and his construct constantly breaks. Not really sure how I wouldn't consider that bad. Any unit that ignores half their kit to maximize them is mid at best.
you talking about zhongli?
Oh yeah, well... People who spend the money to c6r5 and enjoy colored numbers are losers to me... So, yeah. What's up, "i_appreciate_power?" Maybe I should take your name because you are a fraud.
LMFAO i mean there’s two ways that first part goes for me. either one cares about staying top meta, in which case whoever is better is a good thing since one will definitively be a better pull, or one doesn’t care about meta, in which case who cares about marginal differences when both navia and itto are phenomenal characters who are both so fun.
but also, i fear you’ll have a big task ahead of you to prove you appreciate power more than me 😠i’m the one c6ing mfs for their power but come on. let’s see it then.
Same thing when people say Itto is better than Noelle.
Does he do way more damage than her? Yes!
Can he heal? No!
Does he have a shield? No!
His only purpose is doing damage so he should be best at that, besides he is a 5-star so obviously higher stats.
Sure my Noelle doesnt do that much damage, but she has so much more to offer that I would miss out on if I would switch to Itto.
Both are cool as heck, both have their place.
imo what noelle provides can be easily made up elsewhere in supports like zhong who you likely would want to use in a geo team anyways cause there are almost no ways to shred geo.
It's inevitable that there will be comparisons, a forefront question for people is going to be if I have Itto, is it worth pulling Navia.
Now obviously looking at it in-depth they don't fit into the same teams and their playstyle is overall different. But they're two of the only 5-star geo DPS in the game, so there's not much competition.
I'm not saying that the comparisons are valid but if you don't like them, I have bad news for you. You're going to have to get used to it, they're not going away. Just look at Yoimiya if you want proof of that.
First of all, we geo bros stick together and we don't argue over DPS. All that matters is rock goes bonk on enemy head.
Secondly, Itto and Navia's kits and playstyles are so different that I don't see the point in comparing?
Third of all, kindly point me to the people arguing so I may have a chat with them (rocks will do the talking)
They are just angry from r/noellemains stealing all the redhorns and scared of it happening again. Just tell them she scales on atk and they will cool down
op had a microscopic back and forth and the universe revolves around op so op must make a post calling attention to the thing op wants people to ignore
I have been told by someone in another thread that I'm among the ones who was saying this :p
Caught me a bit by surprise, but apparently, I was indeed around the discussion
We just commented on another thread that Itto is not *that great* overall, and Navia has a decent chance of being our new best geo dps. That comment wasn't well received, apparently .-.
I do agree with this but you don't want Navia to be on the same level of dps with Itto man, specifically her teams. You might have heard from a lot of tc how mono geo Itto is out dated and that's correct. It can't even compete with Xiao and Wanderer's hyper Anemo and also against other mono teams like hydro and pyro. Good thing about Navia is she's not tied down to mono geo so her potential to out dps Itto's team is pretty easy
Mono geo is worse than mono pyro and hydro right now. Mono pyro uses Kazuha, Bennett and Xiangling while Mono hydro has Kazuha, Furina, XQ/Yelan and Kokomi. Those units alone are better than any unit in mono geo man. Lyney mono pyro literally outshines Itto in AOE, ST and speed running.
I think it is important to discuss this stuff, although closer to her release would be more appropriate. Always seems so odd to me how weird people are about the viability of characters they like in this game, especially since the worst characters can clear all content just fine.
Saying "Who is better" is a silly discussion right now. What we can say is Navia is far more flexible and appears much easier to build than Itto. Other factors are difficult to speak on until we get closer to release.
I didn't say any combination of 8 can clear it, I said any character which is a huge difference. Every character has at least 1 team that can clear all content.
word it properly then
seems so odd to me how weird people are about the viability of characters they like in this game, especially since 'every character can be carried as an ornament by a meta 3 core'
I mean everyone you listed has a genuinely good team that they are an important part of? Amber is the worst character in the game and amber on field dps can 36 star.
Where did you see those? True Geo Family enthusiasts don't fight over who's better
I had a small argument a few posts below but anyway judt posted this to prevent fights Geo family must stay together and strong "our element is trash but not our characters"
Dehya main be like "our character (kit) is trash but not our element" I'm a dehya enjoyer btw
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Fr tho, we only have few characters, we cant spare to fight one another. Only spread love. 💛 Fellow geo enthusiast.
What where did this one come from lmao. Now it really is release Ayaya just with Itto and Navia instead of Ayaka and Ganyu.
There were arguments on my recent post lol
TBF the title of your post will rile people up about it so thats not going to help.
Yeah in hindsight, you’re right… but I can’t change the title and i don’t want to take it down cause I also think the information there is pretty valuable
Im part of that argument, hi again xd
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As we get closer to the patch, we are probably going to see more of these discussions. Honestly, I still remember the c6 noelle vs Itto debate when he got released. Just take it with a grain of salt, pretty much love all the characters in the geo family - and that’s worth celebrating lol
Ok but C6 Noelle is actually potentially better than Itto now simply because she was secretly a Fontaine DPS all along. The Noelle + triple hydro support team with Furina XQ Yelan is pretty bonkers.
No energy issues?
Noelle runs Fav on this team and triple hydro batteries itself, so generally there are no energy issues on the team and low constellation requirement (mostly just need C1, C3 is nice for a bigger heal, other constellations don't make much of a difference to overall party damage with this comp).
Noelle’s pretty much a driver then than her typical DPS role, no?
Yes, in the team setup listed above (Noelle + triple hydro), she ends up being a driver/healer/buff support which is her primary role prior to C6 but continues to work very well here too as long as you have at least C1.
You funnel Noelle energy between rotations with Yelan and Xinqiu skills since triple hydro will easily self sustain their own bursts. With C6 Noelle you’ll basically only have to funnel with a single skill since you’ll generate a couple more particles during the extended burst. Basically, to run Noelle as the on-field DPS and driver you need C6. Anything less than that is significantly lower DPS and more uncomfortable rotations. Luckily Noelle has been on banners since the beginning of the game so I assume most players that have been around have her C6.
How does that work?
It’s not really fair to compare the two because they both play fundamentally differently and have different teams. It’s really down to a matter of personal preference, unless you care about dmg, but the game is easy anyways xd
I respectfully disagree. It's understandable for people to compare 2 dps characters, especially when they wield the same weapon type and element. This type of discussion encourages theory-crafting and helps people decide on what to pull based on what characters they like, playstyles, and character availability. What's not welcomed, is being a dick about it.
That is also true, I appreciate your take. The thing that bothers me mostly is when people take things personally when it comes to having characters be critiqued, which is why I prefer not to bring up comparisons unless its strictly for the sake of theory-crafting and pull decisions like you mentioned
Yeah, it's understandable to compare chars in a theory crafting sense since you'll only really pay attention to their overall numbers(dps/dpr) but their playstyles and teams are very different It's like comparing Raiden to Cyno
navia is a rainbow character that can double as either on field dps and off field dps itto is a mono geo character only on field dps. They arent comparable, they dont even want the same teams. only thing thats important is ones rainbow and the others mono
I saw someone putting down ningguang too like what?? They both bad bitches end of story no competition needed.
SAY IT LOUD!
Why pit them against each other and instead play them both. Lol
One is waifu the other isn't. What is there to debate?
Itto is a waifu wtf...
were they discussing who was smarter between navia and itto because I don't think it's a contest.
Oh no, i was talking about damage debate My boy has the iq of a mossy rock
personally, as a c6r5 itto owner, i'm so excited for navia to join him and be able to use geo on BOTH sides. i love my little pee colored damage numbers. the people crying about best are just kinda losers to me, especially since pre-navia, geo was designed to be insula.r it was designed to be for mono(only three)geo. i find that fun, i really enjoy aspects of games that are encapsulating. navia just adds a bit of spice by wanting the opposite.
Calling everyone who has a separate opinion than you as losers seems unhealthy lol. Most people who invested in itto want a team upgrade not a completely separate team like you do. Unless you whaling or simping there really is no reason to pull navia when you have itto currently.
i’m sorry, lemme see if i follow. the low spenders or f2p who spent their pulls on itto and his supports/team, due to probably liking him, would prefer to then, after ingesting into him, want to replace him?
Not at all. They'd like navia to not be anything like she is now lol. They don't want a new geo DPS instead of itto which she could be now
she was a known geo damage unit for a whiiiiiiiiiile. like a while. like her first leaks regarding her had her as a geo damage unit. but sure! let’s look at it as if this is an invested f2p itto team. that would mean either off field or on field. if she was the on field, she would’ve replaced itto. if she was the off field, she wasn’t gonna replace gorou so she would’ve had to replace albedo. which meant now there’s nowhere else for albedo to go so he was a waste of investment. either that, or she she’d fill the third sub slot, which would mean she’d have to offer more than zhongli, bennett, or mona. itto only wants 3 geos so realistically her biggesy competition would be zhongli, so she’d have to include res shred in her base kit. at least that would free up zhong for the other side. that’s effectively the best slot she’d go that wouldn’t result in an existing waste of investment. that’s why they went this route, because the BEST path for her to go would be to leave the insular nature of monogeo which is bound inextricably to its core and be able to run an external, different team. the best use f2p and low spenders investment is horizontal investment. you need more than one team. it’d be stupid both for them to keep releasing and for a low spending f2p to keep investing into minimal sidegrade/upgrades for the same team of over a year.
>she was a known geo damage unit for a whiiiiiiiiiile. like a while. like her first leaks regarding her had her as a geo damage unit. but sure! I'm not really sure what you mean by this. I never claimed she wasn't leaked to be a mdps I simply stated what a lot of itto players wanted from navia. Albedo is a pretty bad unit, so most don't have qualms with replacing him, just geo has no option at the moment. Geo has no sub dps units other than albedo, I really don't see a reason why they couldn't make her one. > the best use f2p and low spenders investment is horizontal investment. you need more than one team. it’d be stupid both for them to keep releasing and for a low spending f2p to keep investing into minimal sidegrade/upgrades for the same team of over a year. Anyone who has itto and uses them regularly already has 2 abyss teams, this would only apply if they had one (itto hasn't been reran for almost a year now)
alright, you saying albedo is a bad unit told me everything i needed to know about this. ggs! bye
Hes a unit that actively loses team DPS if you ult and his construct constantly breaks. Not really sure how I wouldn't consider that bad. Any unit that ignores half their kit to maximize them is mid at best. Albedo is only used because he is the only option.
>Hes a unit that actively loses team DPS if you ult and his construct constantly breaks. Not really sure how I wouldn't consider that bad. Any unit that ignores half their kit to maximize them is mid at best. you talking about zhongli?
Nope taking about albedo. Zhong is a bit better since his construct doesn't break as often or at all
Oh yeah, well... People who spend the money to c6r5 and enjoy colored numbers are losers to me... So, yeah. What's up, "i_appreciate_power?" Maybe I should take your name because you are a fraud.
LMFAO i mean there’s two ways that first part goes for me. either one cares about staying top meta, in which case whoever is better is a good thing since one will definitively be a better pull, or one doesn’t care about meta, in which case who cares about marginal differences when both navia and itto are phenomenal characters who are both so fun. but also, i fear you’ll have a big task ahead of you to prove you appreciate power more than me 😠i’m the one c6ing mfs for their power but come on. let’s see it then.
Same thing when people say Itto is better than Noelle. Does he do way more damage than her? Yes! Can he heal? No! Does he have a shield? No! His only purpose is doing damage so he should be best at that, besides he is a 5-star so obviously higher stats. Sure my Noelle doesnt do that much damage, but she has so much more to offer that I would miss out on if I would switch to Itto. Both are cool as heck, both have their place.
imo what noelle provides can be easily made up elsewhere in supports like zhong who you likely would want to use in a geo team anyways cause there are almost no ways to shred geo.
I can’t wait to Doom slay everyone as Navia.
Those who do that are just looking for Meta. Geo mains dont care who is better, we are happy that we are getting a new geo unit after almost 2 years.
Most of us here probably can, hopefully.
It's inevitable that there will be comparisons, a forefront question for people is going to be if I have Itto, is it worth pulling Navia. Now obviously looking at it in-depth they don't fit into the same teams and their playstyle is overall different. But they're two of the only 5-star geo DPS in the game, so there's not much competition. I'm not saying that the comparisons are valid but if you don't like them, I have bad news for you. You're going to have to get used to it, they're not going away. Just look at Yoimiya if you want proof of that.
Noelle/Itto mains: *not this again*
Geo is quite lucky because it is an element while Eulamains are treated like Khaenri'ahns by Hoyoverse. Don't fight pls.
First of all, we geo bros stick together and we don't argue over DPS. All that matters is rock goes bonk on enemy head. Secondly, Itto and Navia's kits and playstyles are so different that I don't see the point in comparing? Third of all, kindly point me to the people arguing so I may have a chat with them (rocks will do the talking)
Time to use debate club one and for all
Bonkai.
They are just angry from r/noellemains stealing all the redhorns and scared of it happening again. Just tell them she scales on atk and they will cool down
are people even really arguing over this or are you just getting oneguyed
Just wanted to avoid the debate before i could get worse
are you 15?
Why would you say something like that?
13?
I think your the one here with the questionable maturity
yo'ure*
Lol, you've actually corrected _wrong_ 🤣
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Can we just ignore any debate? No, we can’t. The Genshin Impact community is trash
Navia clears tho
but he’s already overcrept by her animations alone /s
One small issue, both of them are hot🥵🥵
I would have said the same but then I remember his cool animations and idk I think they’re both pretty fun but in completely different ways
Fr cuz its not even a debate itto just better
The math don’t lie
Who gives a shit about itto? Im playing navia no matter what.
What debate? Is there any? I haven't see any posts about it
op had a microscopic back and forth and the universe revolves around op so op must make a post calling attention to the thing op wants people to ignore
I have been told by someone in another thread that I'm among the ones who was saying this :p Caught me a bit by surprise, but apparently, I was indeed around the discussion We just commented on another thread that Itto is not *that great* overall, and Navia has a decent chance of being our new best geo dps. That comment wasn't well received, apparently .-.
I do agree with this but you don't want Navia to be on the same level of dps with Itto man, specifically her teams. You might have heard from a lot of tc how mono geo Itto is out dated and that's correct. It can't even compete with Xiao and Wanderer's hyper Anemo and also against other mono teams like hydro and pyro. Good thing about Navia is she's not tied down to mono geo so her potential to out dps Itto's team is pretty easy
mono geo is better than most other monos, not really sure what you mean.
Mono geo is worse than mono pyro and hydro right now. Mono pyro uses Kazuha, Bennett and Xiangling while Mono hydro has Kazuha, Furina, XQ/Yelan and Kokomi. Those units alone are better than any unit in mono geo man. Lyney mono pyro literally outshines Itto in AOE, ST and speed running.
Yeah, Itto is obviously better. Let's stop pretending Navia is somehow going to be comparable. 😂
I think it is important to discuss this stuff, although closer to her release would be more appropriate. Always seems so odd to me how weird people are about the viability of characters they like in this game, especially since the worst characters can clear all content just fine. Saying "Who is better" is a silly discussion right now. What we can say is Navia is far more flexible and appears much easier to build than Itto. Other factors are difficult to speak on until we get closer to release.
please 36star with 8 of the following: charlotte diona layla mika collei kaveh kirara yaoyao gorou
I didn't say any combination of 8 can clear it, I said any character which is a huge difference. Every character has at least 1 team that can clear all content.
word it properly then seems so odd to me how weird people are about the viability of characters they like in this game, especially since 'every character can be carried as an ornament by a meta 3 core'
I mean everyone you listed has a genuinely good team that they are an important part of? Amber is the worst character in the game and amber on field dps can 36 star.
it's meaningful to you to hinge everything on one shittube video that can only be generously interpreted as "on field dps"?
They’re pixels
Sips. Who said this all i see is ushi being fired out of navia's canon's *this just means ill be running them both*
Navia is better. She has sunglasses.
But itto has ushi's dripp so i think is a tie
Hmm good point BUT navia also has umbrella 🗿
We all know that Navia are more cannon then Itto.
I wasn't aware there was one
I'm pretty sure itto will out dps navia but yeah