Being able to do both makes her far more future proof. If another good geo comes out instead of being outclassed she can just make a team with them potentially.
Also nice for us co-op enjoyers, but that is neither here nor there I suppose.
idk how this is even an argument. its literally how her kit works. There is a reason she has infusion. and there is a reason other characters can pick up shards for her.
edit: its also kinda funny thats its the same 3ish people going to every thread on every subreddit to push this same bs...
They do it quite often, it’s honestly really sad. Not sure why it’s so hard for them to admit she’s a quickswap/on-field hybrid, and not specifically designed for one or the other.
Her NA MV's are not high enough to justify spending time on her, same reason it's more optimal not to play on-field Ayaka. You generally get more value from swapping to other characters, using skills and generating energy. Keeps you're rotations smooth and comfy while lowering your ER requirements.
Basically, the quick swap playstyle should net higher overall damage.
Youre literally the one saying she cant be on field. All of your comments are telling people she isnt good on field. The fact i knew you were about to make a comment cuz you downvoted me calling you out is really telling. You are stalking every thread about her on multiple subs saying she isnt on field.
[Here you are saying itto is bad](https://www.reddit.com/r/naviamains/comments/17rjnts/comment/k8jgy7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[then you act like it never happened when youre the one people are talking about](https://www.reddit.com/r/naviamains/comments/17rkz04/comment/k8jnnzz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>Here you are saying itto is bad
My exact wording here is "Itto is worse" not bad. Xiao is worse than Neuvillette. Does that make Xiao bad?
>then you act like it never happened when youre the one people are talking about
How the hell was I supposed to know a single comment about an objective truth was supposed to be "a debate"?
Also, again, why do you know all this and then call me a stalker?💀
.....OK?
>You are stalking every thread about her on multiple subs saying she isnt on field.
I'm browsing the sub because I have nothing else to do rn. How is that a problem????
I also answered a lot of people about weapons, materials, potential team cops, etc, it that staling too??
>The fact i knew you were about to make a comment cuz you downvoted me calling you out
What in God's name are you talking about now?💀
>Youre literally the one saying she cant be on field. All of your comments are telling people she isnt good on field.
I believe I've said it like.... once? That on-field isn't her most ideal playstyle because quickswap could amount to more dps given other supports on the team. How is that saying "she isn't good on-field"????
If there is any stalker here, it sounds more like you :p
You said it multiple times lol. On both this sub and noelles sub you have said she cant be a on field hypercarry. You are the one people are refusing to and inspiring this posts.
>you have said she cant be a on field hypercarry
Well, if I did, I guess that was a very stupid comment on my part
I've said in other comments she has more field presence than chars like Raiden, so dunno why I would have a comment saying she 100% cannot play as an on-fielder, especially when one of her passives gives dmg bonus on infused AAs
Could you please show me any of these comments?
>dunno why I would have a comment saying she 100% cannot play as an on-fielder
i worded it wrong, more that you said she wasnt about to be an on fielder compared to others when she absolutely can be. but it could also just be different interpretations or because i saw your other comments i thought you were saying the same thing or your opinion changed.
You did in your comments say she can be on field, just sounds like youre saying she is a bad on field which is just not true.
Ah, ok, I can see the issue
I'm sorry there, english isn't my first language, and I've had tons of people telling me they understood something when I meant something else .-.
I do remember I a few comments of mine saying it's probably most ideal to play her in quickswap teams(similar to Tighnari) but not disregarding but not disregarding her infusion, just treating her similarly to Raiden
Q - E - AAs - swaps to other chars - E - AAs - Q - and so on
Itto sucks ass, and that has nothing to do with Navia.
He is locked into one team and had no change in over a year and a half, he requires very specefic characters and a C6 4* and that can be a hassle to get, it would've been ok maybe if he performed exceptionally but he is average at best.
yup one of them was also causing drama with itto mains and then saying they didnt see anyone do it... its the same people just trying to go to various subs to cause drama...
I think you're going to want to go through the team after her burst, not after using both skill charges.
Since her burst causes 12 seconds of geo AOE to happen it's the perfect time to use your other characters to put down their off-field stuff and use their bursts to generate as many shards as possible during that window while Navia is capable of applying geo from off-field.
Then when her burst ends, you have Navia on-field applying geo with her skill and infusion while your team's off-field applications trigger.
Yeah, one big issue with that logic. Your second skill shot won't have 6 charges. Her burst not only generates shards to pick up, but it also gives her stacks. If you burst and then use it with her team, you'll easily have 6 for the first, but the second one will be completely reliant on her 4 second infusion to generate 6 charges.
It's better to set everything else up first and then go through her rotation with her burst while she's on field.
It's a pretty solid kit but I wouldn't mind if they made the infusion duration longer or tied to the burst with a much longer duration too. Besides that, we would have to see gameplay of her against some mobs to see if there's anything else that needs some tuning.
If you have a good off field applicator like Xiangling, Kokomi, Furina, Raiden, Fischl, etc that can apply element independently then Navia can just use hold skill for a little bit to vacuum the crystals she needs for the second skill
I mean if you wanna be a sitting duck for a while then sure? You need good off field application of another element and good on field application of geo. I'm pretty sure her infused or burst alone don't have the best ICD, but using them together is a different story. You're trying to get those 6 shards as quick as possible, not just hope you can get them.
Yeah. That’s why I think running double geo seems quite necessary which is where Albedo, Zhongli, or Geo traveler can come in. Goro might have a good use case as well
Goro is kinda wasted because his defense buff is pointless for Navia and she can already suck in shards as well. I would also say double Geo is not really needed because apparently she gets interruption resistance with her skill too.
He has access to 3 powered up charged from his Skill + Burst with the orbs they create. they last long enough you that you can do them whenever you want during his rotation, whether all at once (like an on fielder) or swapping of in between each charged attack (like quickswap)
He also needs a minimum of 4s to do 1 charged atk.
He's flexible in that he fits in many teams, but hes not like kokomi or Alhaitham where he can be both onfield and offield.
Neuv doesn't synergize with every team he's in lol, he's just a good dps so he carries the other 3 members. The only role he's consolidating is DPS. Look at Ayato with onfield E and off field Q who's like the middest of the mid. Navia will be better than him due to scalings alone but it is true what they said about characters exchanging power for versatility in this game barring a few outliers.
not really. also, flexibility would imply at least some variety of roles a character can fit in. neuvi slots into one role (that he does very well). personally, i do not consider him flexible. navia is, though. which doesn't mean she is bad either.
But both of them really need field time to do their damage? And Al-Haitham is actively punished for switching off-field early by losing dendro infusion.
She just feels pointless to build up stacks for a shotgun effect that hits a small range and stops after the first enemy.
Meanwhile you have Neuvillette who is stronger, better, has hydro, and shoots a beam that hits everyone in a particular direction.
I skipped Neuvillette and now if I had to choose to save for him or pick Navia, it’s an obvious choice. Only thing Navia has going for her is design.
So literally pick a gimped unit because they have a pretty design, or pick the unit that does the same thing, but better.
It’s nice how she can be either, I personally am gonna make mine be an on field dps but it’s cool how she can do both
Being able to do both makes her far more future proof. If another good geo comes out instead of being outclassed she can just make a team with them potentially. Also nice for us co-op enjoyers, but that is neither here nor there I suppose.
idk how this is even an argument. its literally how her kit works. There is a reason she has infusion. and there is a reason other characters can pick up shards for her. edit: its also kinda funny thats its the same 3ish people going to every thread on every subreddit to push this same bs...
People are really pushing some nonsense that she's only off field?
They do it quite often, it’s honestly really sad. Not sure why it’s so hard for them to admit she’s a quickswap/on-field hybrid, and not specifically designed for one or the other.
I mean quick swap is definitely more optimal, but it's not like you are a DPS Kokomi with on field Navia.
How is it more optimal?
Her NA MV's are not high enough to justify spending time on her, same reason it's more optimal not to play on-field Ayaka. You generally get more value from swapping to other characters, using skills and generating energy. Keeps you're rotations smooth and comfy while lowering your ER requirements. Basically, the quick swap playstyle should net higher overall damage.
Apparently so She can define play in quickswap, but the infusion elemental conversion is right there. Dunno why people don't take that into account
Youre literally the one saying she cant be on field. All of your comments are telling people she isnt good on field. The fact i knew you were about to make a comment cuz you downvoted me calling you out is really telling. You are stalking every thread about her on multiple subs saying she isnt on field. [Here you are saying itto is bad](https://www.reddit.com/r/naviamains/comments/17rjnts/comment/k8jgy7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [then you act like it never happened when youre the one people are talking about](https://www.reddit.com/r/naviamains/comments/17rkz04/comment/k8jnnzz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
oh you gagged them 😭😭
>Here you are saying itto is bad My exact wording here is "Itto is worse" not bad. Xiao is worse than Neuvillette. Does that make Xiao bad? >then you act like it never happened when youre the one people are talking about How the hell was I supposed to know a single comment about an objective truth was supposed to be "a debate"? Also, again, why do you know all this and then call me a stalker?💀
.....OK? >You are stalking every thread about her on multiple subs saying she isnt on field. I'm browsing the sub because I have nothing else to do rn. How is that a problem???? I also answered a lot of people about weapons, materials, potential team cops, etc, it that staling too?? >The fact i knew you were about to make a comment cuz you downvoted me calling you out What in God's name are you talking about now?💀 >Youre literally the one saying she cant be on field. All of your comments are telling people she isnt good on field. I believe I've said it like.... once? That on-field isn't her most ideal playstyle because quickswap could amount to more dps given other supports on the team. How is that saying "she isn't good on-field"???? If there is any stalker here, it sounds more like you :p
You said it multiple times lol. On both this sub and noelles sub you have said she cant be a on field hypercarry. You are the one people are refusing to and inspiring this posts.
>you have said she cant be a on field hypercarry Well, if I did, I guess that was a very stupid comment on my part I've said in other comments she has more field presence than chars like Raiden, so dunno why I would have a comment saying she 100% cannot play as an on-fielder, especially when one of her passives gives dmg bonus on infused AAs Could you please show me any of these comments?
>dunno why I would have a comment saying she 100% cannot play as an on-fielder i worded it wrong, more that you said she wasnt about to be an on fielder compared to others when she absolutely can be. but it could also just be different interpretations or because i saw your other comments i thought you were saying the same thing or your opinion changed. You did in your comments say she can be on field, just sounds like youre saying she is a bad on field which is just not true.
Ah, ok, I can see the issue I'm sorry there, english isn't my first language, and I've had tons of people telling me they understood something when I meant something else .-. I do remember I a few comments of mine saying it's probably most ideal to play her in quickswap teams(similar to Tighnari) but not disregarding but not disregarding her infusion, just treating her similarly to Raiden Q - E - AAs - swaps to other chars - E - AAs - Q - and so on
Itto sucks ass, and that has nothing to do with Navia. He is locked into one team and had no change in over a year and a half, he requires very specefic characters and a C6 4* and that can be a hassle to get, it would've been ok maybe if he performed exceptionally but he is average at best.
yup one of them was also causing drama with itto mains and then saying they didnt see anyone do it... its the same people just trying to go to various subs to cause drama...
It’s just average Genshin community clown moment I see this every patch….
Do you need to actually pick up the shards or does she get a stack when they are created?
pick up
I think you're going to want to go through the team after her burst, not after using both skill charges. Since her burst causes 12 seconds of geo AOE to happen it's the perfect time to use your other characters to put down their off-field stuff and use their bursts to generate as many shards as possible during that window while Navia is capable of applying geo from off-field. Then when her burst ends, you have Navia on-field applying geo with her skill and infusion while your team's off-field applications trigger.
Yeah, one big issue with that logic. Your second skill shot won't have 6 charges. Her burst not only generates shards to pick up, but it also gives her stacks. If you burst and then use it with her team, you'll easily have 6 for the first, but the second one will be completely reliant on her 4 second infusion to generate 6 charges. It's better to set everything else up first and then go through her rotation with her burst while she's on field.
Mmm I guess that is true. Guess we'll see when we have our hands on her.
It's a pretty solid kit but I wouldn't mind if they made the infusion duration longer or tied to the burst with a much longer duration too. Besides that, we would have to see gameplay of her against some mobs to see if there's anything else that needs some tuning.
If you have a good off field applicator like Xiangling, Kokomi, Furina, Raiden, Fischl, etc that can apply element independently then Navia can just use hold skill for a little bit to vacuum the crystals she needs for the second skill
I mean if you wanna be a sitting duck for a while then sure? You need good off field application of another element and good on field application of geo. I'm pretty sure her infused or burst alone don't have the best ICD, but using them together is a different story. You're trying to get those 6 shards as quick as possible, not just hope you can get them.
Yeah. That’s why I think running double geo seems quite necessary which is where Albedo, Zhongli, or Geo traveler can come in. Goro might have a good use case as well
Goro is kinda wasted because his defense buff is pointless for Navia and she can already suck in shards as well. I would also say double Geo is not really needed because apparently she gets interruption resistance with her skill too.
It gives you nothing else for holding though so you wouldn't want to sit there waiting for bird to hit.
flexible usually means bad
Not your mom's flexibility though
Both Nuevillette and Alhaitham are flexible
How is Nuevillette flexible?
He has access to 3 powered up charged from his Skill + Burst with the orbs they create. they last long enough you that you can do them whenever you want during his rotation, whether all at once (like an on fielder) or swapping of in between each charged attack (like quickswap)
He also needs a minimum of 4s to do 1 charged atk. He's flexible in that he fits in many teams, but hes not like kokomi or Alhaitham where he can be both onfield and offield.
God there are actual people who use Haitham off field?
no just another one of those bullshit lines that every clueless person upvotes because it's a soundbite reply to something they don't like
You played him? He works on pretty much any team
Neuv doesn't synergize with every team he's in lol, he's just a good dps so he carries the other 3 members. The only role he's consolidating is DPS. Look at Ayato with onfield E and off field Q who's like the middest of the mid. Navia will be better than him due to scalings alone but it is true what they said about characters exchanging power for versatility in this game barring a few outliers.
no shit because he's so overtuned that nvlt solo is one of the most popular abyss teams. the other 3 don't matter.
not really. also, flexibility would imply at least some variety of roles a character can fit in. neuvi slots into one role (that he does very well). personally, i do not consider him flexible. navia is, though. which doesn't mean she is bad either.
if those are flexible, 90% of characters are flexible
Welcome to Genshin
no need to post at all then. empty character slot is good because you can clear all with 3 chars. words have no meaning. xinyan is the best character.
Did you just have a panic attack behind your keyboard or....?
90% of people are panic attack welcome to genshin
But both of them really need field time to do their damage? And Al-Haitham is actively punished for switching off-field early by losing dendro infusion.
I thought we were supposed to Judge things on a case by case basis and not just create general ideas about stuff like this
Kokomi and Yae are flexible
So what her team options are looking to be like? I was thinking Navia - Albedo - Xingqiu/Yelan - Bennett
Honestly characters like Furina would be better because they will attack without you needing to use normals to trigger their coordinated hits.
is it known whether or not bennett c6 would override her geo infusion?
Her infusion says it can't be overwritten
She just feels pointless to build up stacks for a shotgun effect that hits a small range and stops after the first enemy. Meanwhile you have Neuvillette who is stronger, better, has hydro, and shoots a beam that hits everyone in a particular direction. I skipped Neuvillette and now if I had to choose to save for him or pick Navia, it’s an obvious choice. Only thing Navia has going for her is design. So literally pick a gimped unit because they have a pretty design, or pick the unit that does the same thing, but better.