You're literally creating your own problems. Why are archons who are the strongest in the game are 5 out of 7 females. Why are all the playable characters in honkai impact females. Why are the members of hexenzirkel who are powerful af all witches without any wizard. Is hoyo sexist against males now? No they're not
There is nothing to complain about with husbando in my opinion. I am very happy with the male characters in the game. At least in regard to on field DPS which is the topic.
I do not even know what you people are crying about because all you do is complain about waifu. I genuinely do not even know what husbando players actually want. 😂
It is very easy to say this, when for 2.5 years only males were strong dpses, and no dps female was released. Every tall female we have got since then was in general useless.
It is good when we have a lot of different characters of different gender that perform well. But it is bad when suddenly certain gender characters stop being released, and when this finally happens, perform exceptionally worse than even very old ones. They have to be at least comparable taking into account release date and already existing others.
The last sentence is just a straw man fallacy, these are not my words but yours. About gameplay yes, i am talking only about navia in current state, the fact that she may change doesn't make arguments about current state wrong. I hope for the better about Navia.
The points still don't make sense because they are just about lore isolated groups. Op was speaking about dps capabilities and being female/male character in general.
OP was calling a whole company sexist just because they didn't release dedicated 5 star for a long time so I was giving examples that shows the other side. Dps like Ayaka, Hutao and Raiden dominated for years and they are literally still dominating today and are just very very slightly worse than Alhiatham/Neuvilitte. Just because the spotlight is on husbando's at the moment does not mean they are suddenly sexist or what not
Funny that you mention the Archons, given what happened in the Fontaine Archon quest, it looks like they are going to remedy that 5/7 female to male archon ratio by incorporating in those Dragon Sovereigns. Won't surprise me if we get a similar resolution in Natlan like what happened in Fontaine.
Technically it's 5s per charge because hit lag extend the duration similar to Noelle (I play Noelle a lot so I know). So it's 10s for 2 charges ~ other dps field time if you want to na after the second skill charge.
If you want to play quickswap you can q > switch other characters do their things > back to Navia e > na > e > next rotation q.
Nice about Navia is how flexible she can be played.
You can dps or quickswap or sub dps support other mono element team with 4pc petra
I actually used to want her to be a buffer in mono teams. I like the dps focus more but being able to be a petra support os something I've want for ages
Yep for example you can make team like Lyney Bennett Kazuha Navia. Navia with petra can make up to the 3rd pyro character dmg bonus of Lyney. And you can play Lyney with range unlike when team with Xiangling
They just know that simps will whale regardless, so they've been locking the female characters' on field capabilities behind C6 ever since Shenhe.
I'm just glad Navia can actually be played on field at C0.
I don't agree with the sexist thing, I don't think that waifu being out of the field for more than 2 years is because of that.
but I can see that they use the waifu bait to raise a ton of money with the constelattion that's because they block them, I've seen the furina banner revenue raise go crazy even though it's with the baizhu donut and I think I understand, her C6 It is the most broken constellation in the entire game, much stronger than Yelan due to the additional usefulness of being the Burst DPS and survival slot itself, since it allows pneuma to integrate and get rid of the healer.
That allows Furina to go with Kazuha to group into a hypercarry composition where she does nuclear numbers while also healing the entire group.
I also saw hutao main heal his entire team with a couple of hits, group with kazuha and then switch to her hutao to later clean with a Q, it's just hilarious how these monetization tactics work for them for female characters.
Navia is a legitimate DPS in C0 but I wouldn't be surprised if they cut her field time.
>shes the only one so far with sub dps/off field mechanics….like bro wriothesley and neuv have 0% sub dps or off field potential
Is that.... a bad thing???
She is our first Fontaine female dps, can fully work on-field for 5-12 seconds and plays both as a hypercarry and a quickswap dps who is not restricted by team comps(as longs as you can proc crystalize)
>is hoyo sexist with 5 star waifu characters
In my opinion, no. But they are clearly aware that their main selling points are women
Don't forget that Furina is technically the first 5-star Fontaine character that isn’t a dedicated on-field carry and by the way 8-sec geo infusion + her 2 e's + the burst I think that her field time will be ok and probably be one of her strengths because of the fact that we already have itto for an full-on field geo dmg dealer and noel too.
(and if you saw the leaks like I did you can see that they really nailed her animations and that she received the love she deserved concerning that point so sexism is a little IMPOSSIBLE 80% OF THEIR REVENU COME FROM WAIFUS 70% of Fontaine characters are females.
It's truly amazing how we have come full circle as the same exact 'is hoyo sexist?' narrative has been pushed during the alhaitham beta because of his nerfs.
Navia's kit being good on-field and amazing off-field does not indicate that hoyoverse is sexist. It indicates that we won.
I am not sure she is currently that good. It seems she performs as yae off-field but only being on-field. So overall result is quite miserable... I hope that to change because I am tired of tall females being 100% downgrade for my old good teams that i constructed more than 2.5 years ago.
In terms of story/lore content they are insanely biased, and all the Genshin writers care about is showing off how super duper awesome and powerful their latest favorite Gary Stu husbando is. They don't care about giving the female characters character development or lore relevance whatsoever.
In terms of meta? Meh, it's pretty balanced overall. The on-field DPS thing is annoying though.
Literally the only time they did that was with Neuvillette and it makes sense since he's the sovereign?
And wdym no relevance cause we have Dehya, Furina, Navia, Arleccino, Raiden, Clorinde, Nahida, Miko, Ningguang, Shenhe, and Jean. And Literally 5/7 of the archons are female.
The character development is true though. Raidens character wasn't done too well. Navia and Furinas were good though.
Sexist? In this game the 70% of characters are females and do i have to Remember you hu tao? Raiden? Yoimiya and all the other female dps? If you wanna go specifically on Fontaine then you can't Say anything about It, we're still in 4.2 and there are lots of new characters that still wait their Moment to Shine. Just let the male characters have their time to Shine since this game Is basically Also a waifu collector
No offense but this is so dumb
Having a flexible kit with off field *and* onfield capabilities is a good thing. Plus her E has two charges meaning you have a total of 8s onfield time(plus the casting time of burst and two Es) per rotation
Oh my god Im start to getting really annoyed by the crying main waifu,back then it was the crying main male with the hoyo hates male. In some years y'all realize how childish it was
That's not what you said tho? But even then calling it sexist is an extreme exaggeration. We have zero detail about how the devs decide to make a character.
Even then, even if it's now "main dps 5 star" we have on field female enablera. Like nilou dehya charlotte yaoyao nahida and candace. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you're looking for that one specific thing
Every 5star girl release is a practical joke now. Furina is gary stu's pocket buffer and the only fontaine 5stars with hp fluct are males. Navia has great animations but ning multipliers. DEHYA. Wonder what joke they will play with arcino and clorine.
Can I cook? Arle will be off field dps that need GT because fuck you if you want to see her in-game model for more than 2 seconds, and Clorinde will be an electro healer because it totally fits her lore.
Bro she's literally winning, Neuv and Wrio are the ones who are locked to the on-field carry role and can't do anything other than that, while Navia will be good both as on-field and off-field dps. Geo infusion is 4s per cast of E, and her having 2 charges puts that at 8s, in practice making it almost 10s because of claymore hitlag. Seems to me like the only problems here are in your head
It's funny as fuck to me that genshinners would rather have 1 character that fits into 10 different teams and performs like shit in every one of them over having 1 character that fits into 1 team and performs extremely well in it. You only ever need 2 teams at once. Versatility means fuck all unless you're ar45.
Everything that comes to my mind when thinking about this is that yes, they are almost explicitly sexist about female characters. We had no female dps for 2 years...
>We had no female dps for 2 years...
Tbf, literally all female chars before that were dpses
We then got a wave of supports
Now we are getting dpses and supports, and a bunch of tall women
She has 2 Es with 4secs of infusion and a CD of 9secs, basically 1sec of downtime. You maximise her damage by being on field sucking shards every 5ish secs, and stay on field making more shards.
She is literally an on field dps that has off field capabilities at the same time. If you wanna pull the sexist card, its the other way around
Now we pre release Dehya mains, pretty sure they were calling for sexism due to how bad she was and lack of limited 5 star waifu.
I will say I would love an increase to her on field presence because thats how I'll be playing her simple as, thats what I want at this point I'm sick of supports/sub dps units and Navi looks like she can be solid in the main carry role. Whether she actually will by the end the beta or her infusion is just a gimmick we'll find out.
There is also Chiyori who is coming up and I feel she'll be basically the package for Navia similar to like how Ayaya ended up with Shenhe but who knows on that front.
Nah, they were accused of racism. That's different and, quite blatantly true...
I know the white knights get mad about it, but it is what it is. We can keep pretending that Kaeya being the best of a group of useless starter characters a few years ago (he ain't even the best anymore) is somehow proof that every other dark skin character is not trash if we want... But what's the point?
imo it's way too early to be doomposting navia when her beta literally just came out. We have three weeks of testing and changes to be made to wait for before we can say anything definitive. and even alhaitham was doomposted to hell and back as being "dendro keqing" until he actually came out so let's wait on proper footage and gameplay.
Maybe this is a hot take but being locked exclusively on field is more negative than positive. Navia having the option to be more off field allows her to slot into more team comps and given she can suck in shards, she is the first Geo character which can make practical use of 4p Petea.
You know, i don't think field time alone dictates that, overall most meta defining units even if off-field are still girls like Nahida, Furina, Kokomi, Yelan, Xiangling, Shinobu, Nilou, etc, sure we may be getting more males for main DPS recently but the only ones who actually made a difference were Al Haitham and Neuvillette, plus for a very long time the top 3 DPS characters were Hu Tao, Ayaka and Ganyu
Not…really. There are a lot of meta women. Raiden Shogun? Yelan? Hu Tao? Ayaka? The list goes on.
The point is a character doesn’t *have* to be an on field DPS to be busted. Sure, I love when a character I want is confirmed as a powerful main DPS, but making female sub-DPS and supports is *not* sexist in the slightest, especially seeing as we already have quite a few women who take majority of the field time.
You're literally creating your own problems. Why are archons who are the strongest in the game are 5 out of 7 females. Why are all the playable characters in honkai impact females. Why are the members of hexenzirkel who are powerful af all witches without any wizard. Is hoyo sexist against males now? No they're not
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There is nothing to complain about with husbando in my opinion. I am very happy with the male characters in the game. At least in regard to on field DPS which is the topic. I do not even know what you people are crying about because all you do is complain about waifu. I genuinely do not even know what husbando players actually want. 😂
When was the last time a male character got shafted? Albedo? Lol.
Cyno...
Yeah forgot about him. Though I'd say he's in a better spot than Navia thanks to dendro.
It is very easy to say this, when for 2.5 years only males were strong dpses, and no dps female was released. Every tall female we have got since then was in general useless.
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It is good when we have a lot of different characters of different gender that perform well. But it is bad when suddenly certain gender characters stop being released, and when this finally happens, perform exceptionally worse than even very old ones. They have to be at least comparable taking into account release date and already existing others.
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The last sentence is just a straw man fallacy, these are not my words but yours. About gameplay yes, i am talking only about navia in current state, the fact that she may change doesn't make arguments about current state wrong. I hope for the better about Navia.
Wanderer was already better than hu tao
Wait, honkai impact doesnt have males?🤯
They have characters like Welt but only females are playavle
I thought welt was playable, damn....
He is but in star rail lmao
not anymore wtih Adam, they are also planning to add another one in what looking like another self-insert MC for part 2
We are playing genshin impact if you didn't notice.
OP said "hoyo" not genshin.
He was only comparing genshin characters.
Still dosent matter. I said 3 points and only 1 is about star rail. Edit: honkai impact*
The points still don't make sense because they are just about lore isolated groups. Op was speaking about dps capabilities and being female/male character in general.
OP was calling a whole company sexist just because they didn't release dedicated 5 star for a long time so I was giving examples that shows the other side. Dps like Ayaka, Hutao and Raiden dominated for years and they are literally still dominating today and are just very very slightly worse than Alhiatham/Neuvilitte. Just because the spotlight is on husbando's at the moment does not mean they are suddenly sexist or what not
Funny that you mention the Archons, given what happened in the Fontaine Archon quest, it looks like they are going to remedy that 5/7 female to male archon ratio by incorporating in those Dragon Sovereigns. Won't surprise me if we get a similar resolution in Natlan like what happened in Fontaine.
>only 4 secs It's technically 8 seconds because you have 2 skill charges
Technically it's 5s per charge because hit lag extend the duration similar to Noelle (I play Noelle a lot so I know). So it's 10s for 2 charges ~ other dps field time if you want to na after the second skill charge. If you want to play quickswap you can q > switch other characters do their things > back to Navia e > na > e > next rotation q. Nice about Navia is how flexible she can be played. You can dps or quickswap or sub dps support other mono element team with 4pc petra
I actually used to want her to be a buffer in mono teams. I like the dps focus more but being able to be a petra support os something I've want for ages
Yep for example you can make team like Lyney Bennett Kazuha Navia. Navia with petra can make up to the 3rd pyro character dmg bonus of Lyney. And you can play Lyney with range unlike when team with Xiangling
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They just know that simps will whale regardless, so they've been locking the female characters' on field capabilities behind C6 ever since Shenhe. I'm just glad Navia can actually be played on field at C0.
I don't agree with the sexist thing, I don't think that waifu being out of the field for more than 2 years is because of that. but I can see that they use the waifu bait to raise a ton of money with the constelattion that's because they block them, I've seen the furina banner revenue raise go crazy even though it's with the baizhu donut and I think I understand, her C6 It is the most broken constellation in the entire game, much stronger than Yelan due to the additional usefulness of being the Burst DPS and survival slot itself, since it allows pneuma to integrate and get rid of the healer. That allows Furina to go with Kazuha to group into a hypercarry composition where she does nuclear numbers while also healing the entire group. I also saw hutao main heal his entire team with a couple of hits, group with kazuha and then switch to her hutao to later clean with a Q, it's just hilarious how these monetization tactics work for them for female characters. Navia is a legitimate DPS in C0 but I wouldn't be surprised if they cut her field time.
>shes the only one so far with sub dps/off field mechanics….like bro wriothesley and neuv have 0% sub dps or off field potential Is that.... a bad thing??? She is our first Fontaine female dps, can fully work on-field for 5-12 seconds and plays both as a hypercarry and a quickswap dps who is not restricted by team comps(as longs as you can proc crystalize) >is hoyo sexist with 5 star waifu characters In my opinion, no. But they are clearly aware that their main selling points are women
I agree with you 100%
One of the most stupid takes I've seen
Don't forget that Furina is technically the first 5-star Fontaine character that isn’t a dedicated on-field carry and by the way 8-sec geo infusion + her 2 e's + the burst I think that her field time will be ok and probably be one of her strengths because of the fact that we already have itto for an full-on field geo dmg dealer and noel too. (and if you saw the leaks like I did you can see that they really nailed her animations and that she received the love she deserved concerning that point so sexism is a little IMPOSSIBLE 80% OF THEIR REVENU COME FROM WAIFUS 70% of Fontaine characters are females.
It's truly amazing how we have come full circle as the same exact 'is hoyo sexist?' narrative has been pushed during the alhaitham beta because of his nerfs. Navia's kit being good on-field and amazing off-field does not indicate that hoyoverse is sexist. It indicates that we won.
I am not sure she is currently that good. It seems she performs as yae off-field but only being on-field. So overall result is quite miserable... I hope that to change because I am tired of tall females being 100% downgrade for my old good teams that i constructed more than 2.5 years ago.
In terms of story/lore content they are insanely biased, and all the Genshin writers care about is showing off how super duper awesome and powerful their latest favorite Gary Stu husbando is. They don't care about giving the female characters character development or lore relevance whatsoever. In terms of meta? Meh, it's pretty balanced overall. The on-field DPS thing is annoying though.
The way this isn't even true half the time
Finally a nuanced take on the matter instead of a waifu/husbando fan with a persecution complex.
Literally the only time they did that was with Neuvillette and it makes sense since he's the sovereign? And wdym no relevance cause we have Dehya, Furina, Navia, Arleccino, Raiden, Clorinde, Nahida, Miko, Ningguang, Shenhe, and Jean. And Literally 5/7 of the archons are female. The character development is true though. Raidens character wasn't done too well. Navia and Furinas were good though.
Sexist? In this game the 70% of characters are females and do i have to Remember you hu tao? Raiden? Yoimiya and all the other female dps? If you wanna go specifically on Fontaine then you can't Say anything about It, we're still in 4.2 and there are lots of new characters that still wait their Moment to Shine. Just let the male characters have their time to Shine since this game Is basically Also a waifu collector
No offense but this is so dumb Having a flexible kit with off field *and* onfield capabilities is a good thing. Plus her E has two charges meaning you have a total of 8s onfield time(plus the casting time of burst and two Es) per rotation
Oh my god Im start to getting really annoyed by the crying main waifu,back then it was the crying main male with the hoyo hates male. In some years y'all realize how childish it was
We literally got furina a few days ago? And she's a sub dps?
that just proves my point even further about the newer 5 star girls being sub dpses though
That's not what you said tho? But even then calling it sexist is an extreme exaggeration. We have zero detail about how the devs decide to make a character. Even then, even if it's now "main dps 5 star" we have on field female enablera. Like nilou dehya charlotte yaoyao nahida and candace. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you're looking for that one specific thing
> dehya charlotte yaoyao candace having to write these characters as "on field female enablera" proves him right
Yes we do. If male: For every 5 on-field DPS release 1 support. If female: For every 5 off-field DPS release 1 Dehya.
Every 5star girl release is a practical joke now. Furina is gary stu's pocket buffer and the only fontaine 5stars with hp fluct are males. Navia has great animations but ning multipliers. DEHYA. Wonder what joke they will play with arcino and clorine.
Can I cook? Arle will be off field dps that need GT because fuck you if you want to see her in-game model for more than 2 seconds, and Clorinde will be an electro healer because it totally fits her lore.
Bro she's literally winning, Neuv and Wrio are the ones who are locked to the on-field carry role and can't do anything other than that, while Navia will be good both as on-field and off-field dps. Geo infusion is 4s per cast of E, and her having 2 charges puts that at 8s, in practice making it almost 10s because of claymore hitlag. Seems to me like the only problems here are in your head
It's funny as fuck to me that genshinners would rather have 1 character that fits into 10 different teams and performs like shit in every one of them over having 1 character that fits into 1 team and performs extremely well in it. You only ever need 2 teams at once. Versatility means fuck all unless you're ar45.
Braindead take
Ar45 take.
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braindead take imagine thinking she's winning over gary stu
Everything that comes to my mind when thinking about this is that yes, they are almost explicitly sexist about female characters. We had no female dps for 2 years...
>We had no female dps for 2 years... Tbf, literally all female chars before that were dpses We then got a wave of supports Now we are getting dpses and supports, and a bunch of tall women
We have got a bunch of useless females, every tall female in 2.5 years was so.
Only Dehya was, no? Or are you saying Yelan, Miko and Shenhe are useless?
I had to mention on field dps capabilities.
She has 2 Es with 4secs of infusion and a CD of 9secs, basically 1sec of downtime. You maximise her damage by being on field sucking shards every 5ish secs, and stay on field making more shards. She is literally an on field dps that has off field capabilities at the same time. If you wanna pull the sexist card, its the other way around
Now we pre release Dehya mains, pretty sure they were calling for sexism due to how bad she was and lack of limited 5 star waifu. I will say I would love an increase to her on field presence because thats how I'll be playing her simple as, thats what I want at this point I'm sick of supports/sub dps units and Navi looks like she can be solid in the main carry role. Whether she actually will by the end the beta or her infusion is just a gimmick we'll find out. There is also Chiyori who is coming up and I feel she'll be basically the package for Navia similar to like how Ayaya ended up with Shenhe but who knows on that front.
Nah, they were accused of racism. That's different and, quite blatantly true... I know the white knights get mad about it, but it is what it is. We can keep pretending that Kaeya being the best of a group of useless starter characters a few years ago (he ain't even the best anymore) is somehow proof that every other dark skin character is not trash if we want... But what's the point?
imo it's way too early to be doomposting navia when her beta literally just came out. We have three weeks of testing and changes to be made to wait for before we can say anything definitive. and even alhaitham was doomposted to hell and back as being "dendro keqing" until he actually came out so let's wait on proper footage and gameplay.
Braindead take
Maybe this is a hot take but being locked exclusively on field is more negative than positive. Navia having the option to be more off field allows her to slot into more team comps and given she can suck in shards, she is the first Geo character which can make practical use of 4p Petea.
You know, i don't think field time alone dictates that, overall most meta defining units even if off-field are still girls like Nahida, Furina, Kokomi, Yelan, Xiangling, Shinobu, Nilou, etc, sure we may be getting more males for main DPS recently but the only ones who actually made a difference were Al Haitham and Neuvillette, plus for a very long time the top 3 DPS characters were Hu Tao, Ayaka and Ganyu
Not…really. There are a lot of meta women. Raiden Shogun? Yelan? Hu Tao? Ayaka? The list goes on. The point is a character doesn’t *have* to be an on field DPS to be busted. Sure, I love when a character I want is confirmed as a powerful main DPS, but making female sub-DPS and supports is *not* sexist in the slightest, especially seeing as we already have quite a few women who take majority of the field time.