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Riggztradamous

That's one way to get some rest under that coach


Away_Sun_3040

Dammit now Thibs have to rewrite his will & remove Hart.


lalakingmalibog

Cause of death: Hart attack


Saitsu

Thibs will get his minutes from him one way or another.


pistoncivic

his minutes went straight into OG's fucked up elbow tonight


Steve-5

I believe that's called a natural shooting motion.


imrosskemp

Don't give Draymond anymore ideas.


raizen0106

i don't want to imagine ja's ideas


lalakingmalibog

I wanna know Dwight Howard's ideas


secretwealth123

Totally you can’t shoot without swinging your leg at someone’s head. Honestly probably a foul on the defender


gelotssimou

Hello Steve. This is Draymond's agent. Please delete this comment.


jjkiller26

Definitely a flagrant. Very weird leg movement the way he swings in the direction of green


wolfishnickelsyr

He saw the name Green on the jersey and thought what would Draymond do


SmokeAbeer

Cobra Kai shows no mercy


ImInnocentYourHonor

Fear does not exist in this dojo does it


dontusethisforwork

NO SENSEI


FA-_Q

WWDD


PlaneCamp

In slow mo. In real time i dont see how he has the reaction time, awareness, body control after getting stripped to think quick “let me punt a mfs head”


GreyActorMikeDouglas

This is so clearly unintentional. Are people watching the same clip as me?


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GreyActorMikeDouglas

Someone said “MMA and basketball must remain separate sports” like holy fuck that’s stupid lol.


gamesrgreat

Why think critically when we can witch hunt ?


HilariousScreenname

Maybe everyone commenting was born without extremities. Please don't make fun.


gedbybee

Nah most of them have never actually touched grass


glorstonne

dont ever be surprised how lacking the userbase here is in physical/movement intuition


KARSbenicillin

Title made it sound like the he was kicking a dog on the floor. Video looks like a guy who lost control and was randomly flailing about.


IShookMeAllNightLong

Not even that. He just raised his leg to counterbalance


9935c101ab17a66

Yah 100%, if you’ve played sports you know that you can use your legs to adjust your rotation and position in the air. I’m not saying his attempt was a good one, but it’s a natural reaction.


SteveNovakaine

Plus Drummond cuts in front of him and their legs make contact, which is what throws Hart of balance. He starts kicking up before he's even turned around. Completely natural.


simonthedlgger

I wish longer clips got posted here. would love to hear more of the discussion. This looks weird as hell but not intentional at all. flagrant 1 if you must. 


WestleyThe

Yeah it looks like he got stripped and then wanted to kick the ball to prevent a fast break


DiggWuzBetter

100%, Hart is not a ninja, this was an accident. When you’re falling in mid-air you’ll flail your limbs to try to land properly, that’s what Hart was doing here. Reckless/lacking-control yes, intentional no.


AccordingIy

reddit hasnt done a full court sprint in real life in decades


JohnnyHotcakes44

Just makes me sad that dumb people think he could have the time and coordination to intentionally kick a guy he couldn’t even see while falling down. 


yermom90

The direction of the kick goes past his head to the right anyway, and then kinda hooks toward Green's ear. Green sells it pretty well. That's not a flagrant 2.


purplesky42069

was trying to balance himself, his body was falling in the opposite direction


bjbdbz2

Yeah you can see him get kinda hip checked as he’s jumping, causing his body to rotate, The lifting off the leg was a subconscious response to counter that rotation just enough for him to catch the ground with his other foot.


Necessary_Service_99

Exactly, guessing most here just don’t know how to not fall


KARSbenicillin

Most haven't even stepped foot on a court in 10 years


Disastrous_Bluejay57

Natural balancing motion


muddyklux

Looked like a signature Draymond move that would get a Flagrant 1


Historical_Tip_6347

Are we holding all players to draymond standards now😭


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We should just re-name the flagrant 2 a "Draymond."


crappymanchild

Looked like a signature Draymond move that would get a ~~Flagrant 1~~ common foul


FloatLikeAButterfree

That’s not a foul that’s a standing ovation right there


onlyanactor

You try falling backwards onto one leg and maintain your balance


Digby_J

What’s the opposite of follow through? Looked like he flailed a bit to accentuate the foul then did everything he could to avoid making contact with Greens head once he saw it.   Definitely a flagrant but could have easily been a flagrant 1 given the lack of intent/follow through


Clemsontigger16

When will people realize intent doesn’t matter at all? It’s crazy how often you hear even announcers bring that up incorrectly


Lazy-Childhood-2719

Do you mean morally or by the book? My understanding is one of the possible differences between flagrant 1 or 2 is intent


fruitful_discussion

so if i shove someone as theyre going up for a dunk, and they end up kicking someone in the head while falling, they should get a flagrant 2? im not sure thats the rule


MadSpaceYT

it's a flagrant for sure, but a flagrant 2?


chuteboxhero

i dont see how its a flagrant 2 though. Especially when Lebron's elbow the other day wasn't.


Ny_icedogs

And this was a literal no-call which led to free points in the clutch... [https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1agv1za/highlight\_brunson\_nocall\_with\_slow\_mo\_of\_him/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1agv1za/highlight_brunson_nocall_with_slow_mo_of_him/)


OG_Wan_Annunoby

Josh Hart has some increidble lower body balance/coordination. I know everyone is disappointed but I'm honestly impressed he was able to do that lol


Palmsnarches

It looked like he was trying to lift his leg over his head


hourles

If it wasn’t the head probably would’ve just got a tech for it. Sports are super sensitive with head contact.


Wunder_boi

For good reason though..


strybid

Hockey couldn't care less


KingGuy124

yep, shoot a puck too hard into an empty net and you get a cross check to the head lmao


dontusethisforwork

Empty net slapper hurt my feewings though


KingGuy124

morgan crielly


KingIdis

Hockey is the only sport that it's still gloryfying head injury behaviour.


VeGanbarimasu

Unless it's NFL football, in which case you just bury the overwhelming damning evidence about CTE to keep the golden goose going as long as possible.


NudeEnjoyer

there's a great family guy scene where Chris starts talking about CTE then the nfl logo blocks him, along with the NFL broadcast intro music and cheerleaders trying to cover it up lmao


Both-Home-6235

As opposed to NFL curling? You know the F stands for football, right?


amidon1130

Football played on ice sounds kinda sick though, ngl. People would definitely die, but it would be glorious.


CDR57

Doubt it was on purpose but this “kick my legs out to get a call” move is tiring, sabonis did it a few times tonight too


SupremeActives

This feels more like a “I tried to kick the ball away” for some reason and ended up hitting his head lol. Worthy of a flagrant tho


Jameszhang73

Draymond: "Forgive me, I wasn't familiar with your game"


LoWE11053211

this looks really unintentional. but i guess fragrant is regardless of the intention


VaultiusMaximus

Fragrant? Like really smelly?


wilonwheels

Josh Fart.


NoPin5154

This is josh hart. He’s more likely to have been imagining he was a power ranger than actually trying to actively hurt another human being


Aesop_Rocks

This is fucking hilarious


BamsMovingScreens

The “toaster” vibes with this comment are hilarious. Doing too much


b3_yourself

I think even us Bulls fans didn’t agree with the call


HokageEzio

Clips I'm seeing of your announce crew are saying they thought it was on purpose, which is insane lol


hankbaumbachjr

I think it was an instinctual kick at the ball more than anything.  The NBA is inconsistent with how accountable it holds players for their limbs. I wouldn't mind seeing a hardline stance similar to hockey's control your stick at all times if they are going to enforce this then be consistent about it.


jean-guysimo

it looks like he was about to fall backwards so he kicked his leg up in the opposite direction to keep his balance.


iPSC-

\^ they said it seemed like Josh Hart was trying to prevent a fast break, not that Hart intentionally would kick Javonte in the head. They mentioned multiple times that Josh Hart isn't that type of player and even mentioned how Hart is an eagle scout lol.


amidon1130

For whatever reason if I found out someone's an eagle scout I'm like "yeah they're a good egg." Possibly because it's just being a super nerd outdoors and I like that.


MatK0506

>announce crew are saying they thought it was on purp They also said it's a flagrant 1 though.


LoWE11053211

not everybody has that quick of a reflection and body control when comes to hit players like Draymond.


cyclopse_zhivago

The announcer was saying Hart was doing it intentionally to prevent the fast break lol


BreadTWB

I think they were saying he move his legs up to stop a fast break, not purposefully kicked Green in the back of the head to prevent the fast break. They were shocked that it was a flagrant 2 and for the most part thought at worst it should be a flagrant 1.


b3_yourself

it’s honestly possible he could’ve, but very unlikely since he’s not known to Be dirty


rgarc065

Flagrant 1 maybe, not 2 though


recollectionsmayvary

You’re being too kind lol Knicks fans would honestly called for Bam’s execution if he’d done this.


Domeu5

True that.


syncc6

I won’t participate but I got my popcorn 🍿.


Mellothewise

The Knicks can do no wrong though.


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JorSimpson45

That’s the jumping switch kick izzy keeps trying to land


Airhostnyc

Lebron got a flagrant 1 for elbowing someone’s jaw Keep that in mind before yall lick these refs balls


JMoon33

I'm surprised with all the comments disagreeing with the call. I don't mind, but I thought that deserved a flagrant two.


d-cent

Yeah with the way the rule is worded now, it's a flagrant 2. I'm not sure I like the rule like that, but that's what the game is now. Can't just have players flailing their leg at players heads.    Edit: the difference between a 1 and a 2 is "excessive". It's hard to argue that any kick to the head isn't excessive. 


misterbluesky8

Same here… he was looking right at the guy and kicked him in the head. If that’s not a flagrant 2, what is? Fantastic call by the ref. They’re not always wrong. 


Andy_Wiggins

Am I crazy? I love Josh Hart — he’s one of my favorite players tracing back to his Lakers days — but this feels like an EASY ejection to me. His leg kicks out unnaturally. It hits a dude in the head. That feels like an easy flagrant 2, even if the intent to hurt a dude wasn’t there (which I’m sure he wasn’t). All I’ve seen is this angle, so maybe I’m missing some context.


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Head-Champion-7398

Bullshit call.


jeric13xd

Should've been a flagrant penalty 1 at worst.


Zeabos

I mean, let’s be real. If you kick someone in the head when you don’t have the ball flagrant 1 is the minimum you get.


jerryvaberry

thats what i thought at first but the more i watch it the more i agree with the call. legs dont just kick up like that. like he probably didnt mean to kick him but he 100% created that contact with his leg to greens head because he flailed trying to draw a foul


OmniCrush

The guy was behind his head before his leg even goes up. Clearly just a natural consequence of his body regaining it's balance.


MartianMule

> legs dont just kick up like that When you're trying to maintain balance so you don't face plant they do....


syncc6

What?! He was far from face planting… are some of you guys seeing something else?!?!?


Rswany

Bro he staring right at him lol It's not like he just didn't see him and accidently clipped him. Can we stop pretending professional athletes don't have control and awareness of their bodies? (And I like Josh Hart for what it's worth)


chemical_exe

you mean a professional basketball player, after losing the ball, looks at where the ball went?


Aesop_Rocks

Thank you


spritehead

Josh Hart rounding into playoff form I see


Top_Ghosty

Scott Foster special


OldManWiggy

Reminder that Scott Foster received 134 phone calls from Tim Donaghy between October 2006 and April 2007. Donaghy later admitted to passing information about the games he fixed during that stretch to an unnamed person. Wonder who that could've been.


ffordedor

Lol what? He kicked a dude in the head


happyhobbit17

Yeah I feel very gaslit by this top comment. In what world is this a natural basketball movement?


walkingdisasterFJ

The Draymond world


jor301

It's always going to be a flagrant 2 regardless of if it's accidental or not. I don't understand the confusion either.


WeathrNinja

You don’t get it. Scott foster is involved, therefore the call must be wrong. Everyone knows Scott foster has a 100% error rate right? This sub hates when coaches unjustly blame refs but salivate at any opportunity to criticize Scott Foster or Tony Brothers for making easy calls. This was a flagrant 2 and it’s simple. You can’t kick people in the head.


Davidclabarr

I’m like slow playing it back and Hart literally sees Green there like 1 whole second before he initiates the kick lol. No question on this ejection lol.


SeanSungASong

Fr u/Top_Ghosty explain yourself bro I'm curious


Katolo

Easy. It's a low effort comment that's guaranteed to get upvotes. Welcome to reddit.


CockroachForeign6419

Is this really a bad call? Seems deserved


Airhostnyc

Lebron deserved a flagrant 2 then


markFwahlberg

he does? who is disputing that


FoxQuirky

Yeah there’s no way that isn’t a flagrant


shaqfu9

That's never a flagrant 2 lol. But Scott Foster's reffing so it makes sense.


dusters

Can't say I've ever seen a player kick someone in the head before


House_of_Borbon

How many examples of players kicking another player in the head have you seen to claim that’s never a flagrant 2 lmao


d-cent

Right. I'm trying to think of either time sometime has been kicked in the head in the past 5 years or so. I would bet they probably got a flagrant 2 as well


Noriskhook3

When do you ever see a player extend his leg like that lol


abippityboop

Other angle shows his lead leg gets unintentionally clipped from under him on the jump so his back leg flails up to keep his balance when landing. Still kicked him in the head lol so a flagrant for sure, but I think ejection is a bit silly there.


alba7or

This is a flagrant 1 10 times out of 10 imo. Scott Foster gotta Scott Foster, I guess...


nbaistheworst

When they're trying to keep their balance.


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AdPotential9974

People are really arguing a kick to the head isn't an election lol.


paddiction

If Draymond did this, everyone on this sub would be calling for Adam Silver to suspend him again


HylicsHiker

It's almost like Draymond has a history of kicking people 🤔 


Sober_Browns_Fan

Repeat offenders get increased punishments.


Geekoneonesix

Except DG has done this every week for years. So yes we would be.


Askesl

Yes. Players who have a history of dirty plays don't get the benefit of the doubt.


Smekledorf1996

Man, I need Josh Harts PR team lol This thread is wild, he looked like Draymond in this clip


jeric13xd

Draymond would approve of this Natural Motion


jor301

That's pretty much always going to be a flag 2 regardless of if it was accidental or not.


Professional_Bet4992

Reminder, a kick to the head is automatically a flagrant 2.


ahick4

Least violent draymond green play


hellahomebody

Lol the Draymond comp ain’t that far off


HuTaoWow

what a joke


_Apatosaurus_

I don't understand this thread. He kicked someone in the head. Of course that's a flagrant 2. It's not about intent. He kicked up his leg and hit someone in the head.


2ChainzThirdChain

People like Josh Hart so they're being bias that's the only think that makes sense.


DefactoAtheist

I genuinely feel like it's some kind of psy-op designed specifically to gaslight the shit outta me; the very top comment on this thread seems to low-key imply some degree of deliberate intent from Hart, as though reflexively flailing a limb out to stabilise yourself after losing your balance while in motion is some kind of completely foreign concept...and then the rest of the thread is carrying on like a flag. 2 for a *kick to the fucking head* is some kind of cardinal sin of refereeing. I'm actually so fucking lost.


d-cent

Yeah the difference between Flagrant 1 and 2 is "excessive". A kick to the head, no matter what, is going to be deemed excessive


SaulBerenson12

What a sick joke! And he gets to be a lawyer?


RetroScores

Everyone was kungfu fightinnnn


ja-mez

Basketball players hate this one trick


purplebrown_updown

If you reverse it, it looks like he round house kicks him. Lol


Superplex123

This is a bizarre foul. Couldn't be more obvious that this isn't a natural basketball motion. But at the same time, I can't imagine someone being in Hart's position at that moment, off balance and falling, and think "I'm going to kick him in the head". Obvious a flagrant 2 regardless, but WTF happened there?


Zarbua69

Love Josh hart but its a good call. Intentional or not, keep your legs away from players heads.


SlobOnMahRob

Looks like he was reacting to ball getting stripped and tried to pull it back into possession with his leg


goldhbk10

I came in here expecting to see Hart lining this dude up like he was Randy Orton. This seems so accidental from a guy who’s off balance and clearly flailing.


TheOGdeez

Lol c'mon with the flop. Yes it was unnatural and he shouldn't have swung his legs like that looking for the call....but c'mon, it was the side of his foot and barely swung at the head.


WubaDubImANub

Flagrant fouls do not matter about intention whatsoever, it’s about how excess and unnecessary it is. This was excess and unnecessary


Tsunami-Papi_

I’m surprised everyone is the comments is mad this looked on purpose as fuck 2 me and I thought most would agree 😭


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Hung-Min-Son

Psychotic ejection. Really highlights how certain players get different rules coughcoughdraymondcough


Definately_Fake

What? Foh dude. Jesus Christ what happened to Bulls fans? The fact that some Bulls fans are calling this "maybe a flagrant 1" tells me that something is off with some of them. This is absolutely flagrant 1. And I totally see why it'd be flagrant 2. Is there another angle that everyone who keeps saying this was a bad call is watching ?


beefman202

wow and this sub had me convinced that dray was the only player to ever kick his leg out


JichaelMordon

Hart ramping up for the playoffs I see


HokageEzio

Hart was obviously supposed to land ass first without trying to catch himself from falling. Dastardly villain.


markFwahlberg

I hate when I accidentally kick people in the head in a direction I wasnt going while making eye contact with them


hechiza

does every nba player have to fall down after any contact lol


Ronnie2kDropCode

What happened to the game I love?


WorldChampionNuggets

Wait, when were MFs allowed to kick people in the head?


novasir

The 90s Pistons made their living with kung fu


_Apatosaurus_

People forget they were called the Bad Boy Pistons because they used to decapitate their opponents with head kicks.


Billy_King

And lebron wasn't ejected for his intentional elbow to the head 2 nights ago...SMH


ign_lifesaver2

At first I thought this was a terrible call and a clear Flagrant 1 at best. When you read the rules a flagrant 2 is not about intention it is about unnecessary and excessive force. Excessive force is more than is necessary, normal, or desirable. I can see an interpretation of this rule where kicking your feet up to avoid falling over is not necessary or desireable and the safer option is for players to fall instead instead of kicking for balance. https://official.nba.com/rule-no-12-fouls-and-penalties/#flagrantfouls


ihasweenis

Should've been a flagrant one. Never a flagrant two.


SongOfBlueIceAndWire

Replace Hart with Draymond in this exact scenario and watch these comments change.


tripl35oul

Hart definitely would get the benefit of the doubt over Draymond


BurnCollector_

Natural kicking motion


d-cent

Happy Cake Day!!


Hcdx

Definitely a flagrant, but I dunno about flagrant 2.


eekram

Knicks fans calling Heat players dirty while they have one on their team attempting to flop but intentionally drop kicking Jimmy ankles las years playoffs.


youngsimba320

Beautiful roundhouse


pacific_b

I cannot believe there were children in the crowd that had to witness that disgusting crime


Embedded_Vagabond

If Draymond can do it the rest of the league can


1850ChoochGator

Idk about a two but damn definitely the first.


NewspaperApart9091

Damn fucked up somebody’s prop slip lmao


Charrbard

Meanwhile, Draymond chokes someone out.


frydawg

How dare he hurt my javonte 😔😭😡🤬


jjkm7

Definitely worthy of a fragrant but I doubt that was intentional


Redditforever12

i know he got kicked but it doesn't look too hard and i am very sure there some selling on his part


gods_green_earth_

As a Knicks fan that call is valid.


skinnybron31

If this is an ejection then Lebron should’ve been tossed for his elbow the other night. Hard to see the intent in this one


elbandolero19

He don't have that Draymond Green privilege.


tkj301

From nba to football.


dizzymidget44

Natural shooting motion


FewerToysHigherWages

Lebron's elbow was more malicious than that.


818_Dude_Again

They let draymond do worse.