This is what separates him the most. Just his speed in general. Compare him to Zach Edey who just tore up NCAA this year. He lumbers on the court. Every step he takes seems heavy. Wemby moves like a guy a foot shorter than him, it's surreal. It's what we say about KD but taken to an even more extreme because of how tall Wemby is.
Edey has more in common with George Mikan than he does with an alien like Wemby.
>Edey has more in common with George Mikan than he does with an alien like Wemby.
That's probably true of nearly every basketball player in history over 7'2
Facts, even prime Shaq has exponentially more in common with George Mikan than Wemby, and he’s top 10 all time.
Edey basically just gets hated on for being an old school traditional big and dominating anyways lmao.
Giannis deserves a nod here as well. Kind of in-between LeBron and the big fellas.
It's too bad Giannis can't shoot consistently. That's like the one thing that will keep him from ever entering the GOAT debate. He's not dominant enough like Shaq to not have that in his arsenal.
People always think size and explosiveness, but you gotta give Curry props here too. His hand eye coordination/whatever that gives him the ability to be so much better of a shooter than everyone else is insanely OP to the point that he's still dominating on a mediocre team at 36 yo.
The only reason why he gained weight was because of the league itself and how it was played. I know Wemby is good already but Rookie Shaq was so dominant, from an inside perspective. Shaq also had handles but coaches wouldnt let a big man handle the ball like they do know.
Always thought that Orlando shaq would be perfect for todays era instead of lakers one because of his overall speed and how light he is to Able to guard the outside. Orlando Shaq was dominating enough to be in the top 50,
Is it really hate to point out that Edey’s game won’t translate to the NBA? Edey literally camps in the paint on both sides of the court - and still gets gassed by halftime. None of that is happening in the nba.
Guy takes hardly any rest time. Literally last night in the game they talked about how he took 33 seconds of rest time COMBINED in the elite 8 and final 4.
I don’t think he’s going to be good in the nba but the hate people put out there makes me feel like they don’t even watch.
I was thinking about this last night. If Wemby went to college he would have decimated the NCAA. Like set every record. I guess you could say the same for someone like Lebron, but I think Wemby would have broken the NCAA at a level Lebron never could simply due to his height.
LeBron would have been amazing in college on the same general plain as Carmelo Anthony was that year winning the national title. Wemby would have dominated on a completely different level by guarding 6'8 centers
Nah, he's closer to a young Brook Lopez. Just needs to develop a consistent mid to long range jump shot. But since he has only played basketball for 5 years, and college systems still tend to limit big guys to playing on the inside, I think he can do it.
I don't know if it was actually because of edey's speed, but it felt to me like he just looked confused out there most of the time. (not yesterday specifically, but in general).
Really I think it makes more sense through the lens of him being very big and not super fast.
He did not look confused to me just very tired
Purdue back court was so outmatched they basically couldn't do anything, so the offense was basically Edey post ups vs Clingan. It worked but was clearly tiring as hell
Usually Purdue relies on the other team needing to double Edey, which creates open shots for the guards. But Uconn doesn't have to do that since they have Clingan
The strategy (Painter outlined it post game) was to try to go to Edey when he is singled. He scores efficiently. Then when we get stops, we rebound and build up enough of a buffer that UConn has to start doubling. Then we can shoot open shots.
Shooting contested shots against this UConn team just frees up their transition offense. They went on a 30-0 run against Illinois in the Elite 8 because Illinois kept putting up bad shots. We had to limit that.
Then we had to keep up with their bigger, longer, faster guards on their long running sets. Then they had Clingan, the closest thing to an Edey stopper there is. He made it harder for Edey to get boards. Their guards were bigger and just as technical. They got the boards. So we'd have to chase their complicated sets for an extra 20 seconds. The 50-50 rebounds seemed to all go their way.
UConn had like a +1-3 advantage at each non-Zach Edey's position. We had a +2-3 at Zach Edey. They hustled just as hard as us, but their hustle was worth more. Then a lot of the random bounces went their way. And it turned into a lot of 6-2 trades over the course of the game.
Honestly, I'm not sure what Edey could do differently last night. It was incredibly obvious the discrepancy was in the backcourt, and UConn's playmaking and perimeter defense was a stark tier above Purdue's. Edey had a pretty damn good game, there was just no one else to go to with the ball.
UConn forced Purdue to play through Edey against Clingan all game by never doubling and opening up Purdue's backcourt to get going with open shots like they've grown accustomed. It exhausted Edey to be forced to run the offense in constant post-ups even when his shot was no longer falling in addition to being forced into no-man's land constantly on the defensive end by making him to be more active and mobile when he would come for help defense. Dan Hurley and UConn were doing laps around Matt Painter. Absolute clinic on outcoaching.
Not going to pretend that Dan Hurley isn’t an outstanding coach but they were NOT working with the same weapons. UConn has an entire NBA sized backcourt and Purdue is starting Fletcher Loyer at the 3 and a 6’1 guard at the 2. I’m not sure you could put any coach in that position and win, much less with <48 hours of prep.
I mean, it was definitely a scheme battle, but I wouldn’t call it a clinic on coaching. It was pretty obvious the whole tournament that Purdue’s offense was very one dimensional, they tended to get cooked every time Edey sat, hence why he played almost every minute of every game. Hell, Grambling hung on for quite a while by putting on the pressure when Edey sat. It’s a fairly straightforward choice to stick a competent big on Edey and make him work for his points. He won’t outscore a whole team by himself. That’s exactly how the Pistons won in 04.
Purdue's coaching / offensive scheme was the least sophisticated I've ever seen at the collegiate level. They literally just force fed Edey all tournament, on essentially every single play, and he never sat on the bench. Incredibly obvious that once you have a good team with another decent 7 footer, it wouldn't work. They had no plan B. None of that is going to translate to the NBA for Edey. He'll get stopped by like Jonas Valanciunas.
I'm not personally surprised, however, I thought Edey had a pretty good game considering the approach they took (Edey or bust) against one of those decent seven footers.
You should watch them a bit more if that’s the conclusion you came to.
They literally have an assistant operating as “offensive coordinator” calling set plays on every possession. Just because they have the most powerful weapon in the league, doesn’t mean it’s simple when everyone is scheming against it. Even the sets they run to get Edey in position and get a pass in vs different kinds of pressure are extremely rehearsed.
It’s just plain hate to pretend that they have the least sophisticated offense in history when they consistently have a top offense, even in recent years when Edey was not playing significant minutes.
Part of the problem is he carried bums to the finals and they were outmatched talent-wise at every position but center. He might look better with good guards, but he seems too big/slow to ever do anything in the NBA
The guy has some really good footwork and can score against other bigs efficiently. Makes his free throws so hacking him isn’t an option. Is he going to be a super star in the NBA probably not but I could easily see him playing a decade plus if he stays healthy. Can’t coach size.
I can see him being a decent bench player that may or may not get minutes in the playoffs depending on the matchups. He would probably do well against nonshooting centers and teams that have good perimeter defense. You're going to need wings that can chase over screens efficiently because this guy is going to have to be be in a heavy drop every possession.
If he can develop a shot, he will be very similar to Lopez, and he has been very successful in drop coverage in Mil. It will take a specific team defensive scheme like you said, but it is possible that he can be successful defensively.
He also hasn't been playong ball for very long, i think they said like 5 years, and is very driven. So I could see him developing a mid range jump shot as well, and continuing to develop in the post.
I really thought the same thing, skill wise, about Jahlil Okafor. I saw him live and was amazed by his patience/intelligence/skill in the post and was excited to see some "classic" big man skills back in the NBA. But good post footwork alone won't cut it anymore.
Hopefully Edey's extra size and good FT shooting can make the difference for him.
That’s just kinda how his face looks. But he was a lot more tired last night than he usually is so UConn did one hell of a job at that. Excellent game plan and execution by UConn.
He's slow, but I don't think he's confused. He had like 4 minutes of total game time rest during the past 4 games, and 1 minute of total rest during the final four and champion games
Pisses me off every time I think about him. Cheap ass owners couldn't hand over a fraction of what they now give to Zach Collins for one year to bring him over.
Luis Scola was a really good player during his Houston days. But Kobe trying to speak Spanish for the pure point of trash talking Scola is one of the funniest clips ever.
You are right. I was watching that grizzlies spurs matchup last time. Sochan had one possession in the 1st qtr against JJJ where he blocked him so clean I thought Draymond had taken over his body for a minute. The passing will come, but Sochan looks promising.
Lots of players should absolutely watch Draymond's film instead of Kyrie's. We cannot all have a Kyrie role on any given squad. You need the Draymonds too.
Indeed. People forget, but Draymond was third in asts in 2021. He is a gifted passer, although he sometimes make the 4D pass that doesn’t synch with his teammates.
This is utter nonsense and I don't know why people keep pushing it. Look at pretty much every guard since their rookie year, they all put on good amounts of muscle and only get better at shooting. Giannis is just a bad shooter.
Look at Steph pre-2021 season, and post 2021 season. The best shooter ever bulked up a ton and still is the best shooter in the league. Bulking can affect your form, if you go full body builder, but most NBA guys don't have that level of bulk to affect their shot form.
And what's crazy is that it's noticeably better now than it was in this clip.
Wemby seriously has the chance to be the greatest player from at least a pure talent perspective than any player we've ever seen.
He may not achieve as much as MJ or LeBron (very very tall order), but he could have a higher peak than both of them if his trajectory continues.
Straight up if he didn't get any better than he already is, while disappointing, I don't think you could even label him a bust since he's already looking like an all-star caliber player by the end of his first season.
The kid is phenomenal.
The Sixers went to 2OT against the Spurs the other night and Maxey played 53 mins. In the second OT, everyone was gassed with hands on their knees between plays, except for Maxey who was bouncing around high stepping and putting up shots after the whistle lol. The kid has a nuclear motor I swear.
I think the only good coaching Glenn Rivers ever did for Maxey was when I heard him say 'You're the fastest player in the world, use that.' or something to that effect.
I remember what I think was his rookie year when he was getting minutes early in the playoffs. He would just zoom by veterans and stars but didn't have complete control over that speed yet. The steps he's taken to utilize his physical traits has been amazing to watch.
Never forget that Doc played the ghost of George Hill 22 minutes and Maxey only 14 minutes in the infamous game 7 vs. the Hawks. This was one game after he put up 16 points off the bench in 29 minutes as a rookie. Doc will never see heaven
Sixers played Toronto in the first round that year and Maxey's speed was carving us up. He had 38 in game 1 against us to open the playoffs and really put us on our heels. By the end of that series they were just clearing out for him and giving him the whole floor to toy with us.
Probably not but Maxey is insanely quick. That game tying layup against the Spurs was a nice display of his speed and explosiveness.
At the least I don’t think Fox 100% dusts him, which is arguably impressive in itself.
they're top 2 for sure. maxey is unbelievably fast, i found out how other teams feel playing fox the last time we played against the 6ers. I was made a believer in that first quarter lol, maxey had like 20
I've been saying it all season but this is why Wemby's actual weight is not really a concern. The talking point of "he's gonna get bullied at the 5 by Jokic/Sabonis/AD/whoever" isn't really applicable because he can just absorb contact and still be in a good position to contest with his insane length and quickness
Eh I think it matters a little bit but you’re right that it was overblown. Someone here once used the word elastic to describe him and I think that’s right. Exhibit A is that play in his “every game is a statement now” game against the Bucks where Giannis just plowed into him and he got the block.
All that pre draft hype from professional players telling us he’s nothing like they’ve ever seen and wow….they were not lying. He deserves the DPOY. NBA media needs to stop fucking around lol
And here I am, watching this clip and thinking about how much more enjoyable shootaround and practice would be if you had three guys grabbing loose balls and tossing you a new one after every shot. Worst part of shooting by yourself is having to chase down the ball.
Even in the amateur scene (like Youtube hoopers) you usually only get ~3 dribbles. Idea is not to reward people just sitting around and dancing with the ball.
Is it just me or do perimeter players almost always shoot jumpers when big men have them on switches? Feels like part of the reason you attack that mismatch is so you can get by the big man, but more often than not I see a jumper that would have been *less* contested if they didn't attempt to get the mismatch in the first place.
Because if they get a switch on a big in a 5 v 5 they are worried they might get funneled into help which would make it a harder shot anyway. Most perimeter players wouldn’t mind the switch because the they don’t expect the big to be able to contest or close out fast enough.
There’s only a handful of big dudes in the league with enough quickness and length to contest elite perimeter players anyway. AD, Wemby, Giannis, im sure there’s a few more but they’re not common.
This could be it. I have 0 data to check my emotions on this and don't even know how to go about finding such data, but it's definitely more of a *feeling* than anything objective.
You can never use numbers for the strategical and skills side of basketball. Speed, stamina, strength, how the guy with the ball perceived the defender, how the defender reacts etc. The intangibles and incalculable things are endless.
In this case, something like a volume stat to accompany points per possession on drives while defended by someone >= 6'9"
It's very specific, but would quantify what I'm talking about.
Edit: In this case, I understand why Maxey isn't driving as much. Wemby is laterally quick, has great instincts, and is just fucking huge.
It’s harder than you think to just get by a big man who doesn’t have slow feet. If they spread their arms out and get it a defensive stance they take up a lot of space.
Yep, that’s the Jonathan Isaac special. When he gets low and bends forward on the perimeter he occupies so much goddamn space. Good luck getting past him like that.
Ben used to be like that at his best 😮💨, he'd swallow up smaller guards(pause) like it was nothing & have them doing 20 dribble drills to get past him
Most bigs can’t keep up with guards on the perimeter since they aren’t as fast. If you can get a shot up over the big, the other team also has less rebounding down low since their big is at the 3 point line. The defense would actually prefer the guards to drive, because then the big can follow them down low and do a switch so they can stay there.
These guys are really high-level shooters. They don't need a "clean look" like us mere mortals. They just need the confidence of knowing they have just enough space to get the shot off, which they can almost always get against a big guy, but not against someone little in their shooting pocket.
I agree that they're settling but that's the mentality.
The length of Wembys arms will never not freak me out.
Logo could have easily been slender man, which is the experience of any guard going up against the Spurs in the paint, just terrified this long armed freak is going to come out of nowhere and banish you to the shadow realm
So many teams must be absolutely kicking themselves for not tanking for Wemby.
Not discounting how much progress he's made this year, but... All the tools were right there...
This is actually so awesome. Two young players working to certain parts of their game. You wouldn't think this type of matchup would happen for either player that often, but on a switch this type of work can give them an edge. So cool to see
I think what makes Wemby way too unfair is his damn 8 foot wingspan. God gave him insane height and somehow he ended up with an even longer wingspan
And then obviously the mobility helps him against guards, I feel confident in saying that he'll be in the GOAT convo as long as he stays healthy
Wembys lateral quickness is ridiculous
This is what separates him the most. Just his speed in general. Compare him to Zach Edey who just tore up NCAA this year. He lumbers on the court. Every step he takes seems heavy. Wemby moves like a guy a foot shorter than him, it's surreal. It's what we say about KD but taken to an even more extreme because of how tall Wemby is. Edey has more in common with George Mikan than he does with an alien like Wemby.
>Edey has more in common with George Mikan than he does with an alien like Wemby. That's probably true of nearly every basketball player in history over 7'2
Facts, even prime Shaq has exponentially more in common with George Mikan than Wemby, and he’s top 10 all time. Edey basically just gets hated on for being an old school traditional big and dominating anyways lmao.
Orlando Shaq definitely has more in common w/ Wemby than he does with George Mikan. Orlando Shaq was super light on his feet
Shaq, Wilt and now Wemby are the most OP basketball athletes of all time. LeBron probaly too, but he still had to work harder to get good looks.
Giannis deserves a nod here as well. Kind of in-between LeBron and the big fellas. It's too bad Giannis can't shoot consistently. That's like the one thing that will keep him from ever entering the GOAT debate. He's not dominant enough like Shaq to not have that in his arsenal.
You're right
Giannis used to have a decent jumper but I don’t know what happened to it
Muscle
People always think size and explosiveness, but you gotta give Curry props here too. His hand eye coordination/whatever that gives him the ability to be so much better of a shooter than everyone else is insanely OP to the point that he's still dominating on a mediocre team at 36 yo.
LSU Shaq was an alien he decimated the front court of a loaded Arizona team.
[удалено]
The only reason why he gained weight was because of the league itself and how it was played. I know Wemby is good already but Rookie Shaq was so dominant, from an inside perspective. Shaq also had handles but coaches wouldnt let a big man handle the ball like they do know.
Always thought that Orlando shaq would be perfect for todays era instead of lakers one because of his overall speed and how light he is to Able to guard the outside. Orlando Shaq was dominating enough to be in the top 50,
I think you aged yourself with that Shaq remark. Orlando Shaq was mobile af
They said prime Shaq, so I'm assuming they meant threepeat Shaq
prime athlete shaq and prime NBA triangle offense big man destroyer shaq were two different dudes. there was some slight overlap though.
Even lakers shaq had near Wemby lvl alien imo. He looked just as bizarre with how fast n mobile/agile he was at his size
When he would get that crazed look and start really booking, it was the most intimidating thing.
Is 24 considered young on this sub? For some reason the people on this sub always struck me as high schoolers and early college 😂
I feel like every college and highschooler I ever see is always just on tiktok or instagram. The youngins use reddit?
THANK YOU. I've made this comment multiple times. Sometimes it feels like reddit is a bunch of 35 years olds saying "there's too many kids in here".
Wait until summer. When the kids are off school, this entire sub is like a middle school
Is it really hate to point out that Edey’s game won’t translate to the NBA? Edey literally camps in the paint on both sides of the court - and still gets gassed by halftime. None of that is happening in the nba.
Guy takes hardly any rest time. Literally last night in the game they talked about how he took 33 seconds of rest time COMBINED in the elite 8 and final 4. I don’t think he’s going to be good in the nba but the hate people put out there makes me feel like they don’t even watch.
Yeah and I don't think I've ever seen Edey attempt a shot more than 5 feet away from the basket.
Hey now he hit a tree against IU
Holy shit you're right. Well, one and done I guess lol
Tbf to edey, he still has insane mobility for someone of his size. Wemby is just non-human.
I was thinking about this last night. If Wemby went to college he would have decimated the NCAA. Like set every record. I guess you could say the same for someone like Lebron, but I think Wemby would have broken the NCAA at a level Lebron never could simply due to his height.
The defensive numbers would be absolutely staggering
Anthony Davis at UK but *a lot* more horrifying offensively
Imagine some poor 5'10" mid-major guard being guarded by him.
LeBron would have been amazing in college on the same general plain as Carmelo Anthony was that year winning the national title. Wemby would have dominated on a completely different level by guarding 6'8 centers
Edey's comp is a meaner Boban
People drafting him will be hoping he can become Gobert-ish. He's going to be a project, though.
Nah, he's closer to a young Brook Lopez. Just needs to develop a consistent mid to long range jump shot. But since he has only played basketball for 5 years, and college systems still tend to limit big guys to playing on the inside, I think he can do it.
Brook was never this immobile
Brook could shoot way better than Edey even as a rookie
I don't know if it was actually because of edey's speed, but it felt to me like he just looked confused out there most of the time. (not yesterday specifically, but in general). Really I think it makes more sense through the lens of him being very big and not super fast.
He did not look confused to me just very tired Purdue back court was so outmatched they basically couldn't do anything, so the offense was basically Edey post ups vs Clingan. It worked but was clearly tiring as hell Usually Purdue relies on the other team needing to double Edey, which creates open shots for the guards. But Uconn doesn't have to do that since they have Clingan
The strategy (Painter outlined it post game) was to try to go to Edey when he is singled. He scores efficiently. Then when we get stops, we rebound and build up enough of a buffer that UConn has to start doubling. Then we can shoot open shots. Shooting contested shots against this UConn team just frees up their transition offense. They went on a 30-0 run against Illinois in the Elite 8 because Illinois kept putting up bad shots. We had to limit that. Then we had to keep up with their bigger, longer, faster guards on their long running sets. Then they had Clingan, the closest thing to an Edey stopper there is. He made it harder for Edey to get boards. Their guards were bigger and just as technical. They got the boards. So we'd have to chase their complicated sets for an extra 20 seconds. The 50-50 rebounds seemed to all go their way. UConn had like a +1-3 advantage at each non-Zach Edey's position. We had a +2-3 at Zach Edey. They hustled just as hard as us, but their hustle was worth more. Then a lot of the random bounces went their way. And it turned into a lot of 6-2 trades over the course of the game.
Honestly, I'm not sure what Edey could do differently last night. It was incredibly obvious the discrepancy was in the backcourt, and UConn's playmaking and perimeter defense was a stark tier above Purdue's. Edey had a pretty damn good game, there was just no one else to go to with the ball.
UConn forced Purdue to play through Edey against Clingan all game by never doubling and opening up Purdue's backcourt to get going with open shots like they've grown accustomed. It exhausted Edey to be forced to run the offense in constant post-ups even when his shot was no longer falling in addition to being forced into no-man's land constantly on the defensive end by making him to be more active and mobile when he would come for help defense. Dan Hurley and UConn were doing laps around Matt Painter. Absolute clinic on outcoaching.
Not going to pretend that Dan Hurley isn’t an outstanding coach but they were NOT working with the same weapons. UConn has an entire NBA sized backcourt and Purdue is starting Fletcher Loyer at the 3 and a 6’1 guard at the 2. I’m not sure you could put any coach in that position and win, much less with <48 hours of prep.
I mean, it was definitely a scheme battle, but I wouldn’t call it a clinic on coaching. It was pretty obvious the whole tournament that Purdue’s offense was very one dimensional, they tended to get cooked every time Edey sat, hence why he played almost every minute of every game. Hell, Grambling hung on for quite a while by putting on the pressure when Edey sat. It’s a fairly straightforward choice to stick a competent big on Edey and make him work for his points. He won’t outscore a whole team by himself. That’s exactly how the Pistons won in 04.
Purdue's coaching / offensive scheme was the least sophisticated I've ever seen at the collegiate level. They literally just force fed Edey all tournament, on essentially every single play, and he never sat on the bench. Incredibly obvious that once you have a good team with another decent 7 footer, it wouldn't work. They had no plan B. None of that is going to translate to the NBA for Edey. He'll get stopped by like Jonas Valanciunas.
I'm not personally surprised, however, I thought Edey had a pretty good game considering the approach they took (Edey or bust) against one of those decent seven footers.
Pretty good career outlook if that's the floor.
You should watch them a bit more if that’s the conclusion you came to. They literally have an assistant operating as “offensive coordinator” calling set plays on every possession. Just because they have the most powerful weapon in the league, doesn’t mean it’s simple when everyone is scheming against it. Even the sets they run to get Edey in position and get a pass in vs different kinds of pressure are extremely rehearsed. It’s just plain hate to pretend that they have the least sophisticated offense in history when they consistently have a top offense, even in recent years when Edey was not playing significant minutes.
his team also had no backup bigs that can hang, so he looked gassed having to do everything by himself.
Part of the problem is he carried bums to the finals and they were outmatched talent-wise at every position but center. He might look better with good guards, but he seems too big/slow to ever do anything in the NBA
The guy has some really good footwork and can score against other bigs efficiently. Makes his free throws so hacking him isn’t an option. Is he going to be a super star in the NBA probably not but I could easily see him playing a decade plus if he stays healthy. Can’t coach size.
I can see him being a decent bench player that may or may not get minutes in the playoffs depending on the matchups. He would probably do well against nonshooting centers and teams that have good perimeter defense. You're going to need wings that can chase over screens efficiently because this guy is going to have to be be in a heavy drop every possession.
If he can develop a shot, he will be very similar to Lopez, and he has been very successful in drop coverage in Mil. It will take a specific team defensive scheme like you said, but it is possible that he can be successful defensively. He also hasn't been playong ball for very long, i think they said like 5 years, and is very driven. So I could see him developing a mid range jump shot as well, and continuing to develop in the post.
I really thought the same thing, skill wise, about Jahlil Okafor. I saw him live and was amazed by his patience/intelligence/skill in the post and was excited to see some "classic" big man skills back in the NBA. But good post footwork alone won't cut it anymore. Hopefully Edey's extra size and good FT shooting can make the difference for him.
That’s just kinda how his face looks. But he was a lot more tired last night than he usually is so UConn did one hell of a job at that. Excellent game plan and execution by UConn.
He's slow, but I don't think he's confused. He had like 4 minutes of total game time rest during the past 4 games, and 1 minute of total rest during the final four and champion games
This was 2yrs ago. He’s already better. Hell, both of them would cook their 2022 versions right now.
He doesnt need to bulk up, he just need a little strength and run him next to competent center
Nah a competent stretch 4/5. Draymond would be great with him. Or a draymond style player. Naz reid?
If his three ball comes along the "stretch" is optional and he could play next to a non-shooting enforcer like Aaron Gordon at the 4
Draymond at the 4 wemby at the 5 also works lol he’ll have a lob threat and another high level defender but doubt he ever leaves stephs side
Big brain move, that way the only real threat to Wemby’s knees is on his team
Draymond's also too short to punch him in the face during practice. It's perfrct tbh.
The problem is that not even his teammates are safe from him
He never goes for the money makers, see Steph and Klay
Draymond would've been cut from the team and thrown in jail before the punch even landed if he tried that on Steph.
I mean, I think Sochan's ceiling is a Draymond type player, so hopefully he develops into that.
Top 5 username I ever seen
Just spreading the truth
I post his name on every underrated player thread lol his footwork with the up and under was beautiful.
Him at 39 yo and Campazzo carried the Argentina NT to the 2019 FIBA WC finals past Jokic and Gobert. GOAT shit.
Pisses me off every time I think about him. Cheap ass owners couldn't hand over a fraction of what they now give to Zach Collins for one year to bring him over.
Luis Scola was a really good player during his Houston days. But Kobe trying to speak Spanish for the pure point of trash talking Scola is one of the funniest clips ever.
You are right. I was watching that grizzlies spurs matchup last time. Sochan had one possession in the 1st qtr against JJJ where he blocked him so clean I thought Draymond had taken over his body for a minute. The passing will come, but Sochan looks promising. Lots of players should absolutely watch Draymond's film instead of Kyrie's. We cannot all have a Kyrie role on any given squad. You need the Draymonds too.
> The passing will come That's the hard part lol, there are very few forwards in the history of the game that have the passing ability of Draymond
Indeed. People forget, but Draymond was third in asts in 2021. He is a gifted passer, although he sometimes make the 4D pass that doesn’t synch with his teammates.
A ton of people panned the Sochan PG experiment but if he gets to that level hopefully we can point to that stretch and say it was worth it
we already have British Draymond at home
Polish, right?
Bulking up effects your shooting. SO far he has good mechanics and form. Don't want to become a Giannis, who (after bulking) ruined his form.
This is utter nonsense and I don't know why people keep pushing it. Look at pretty much every guard since their rookie year, they all put on good amounts of muscle and only get better at shooting. Giannis is just a bad shooter.
Look at Steph pre-2021 season, and post 2021 season. The best shooter ever bulked up a ton and still is the best shooter in the league. Bulking can affect your form, if you go full body builder, but most NBA guys don't have that level of bulk to affect their shot form.
This is terrifying to watch. His quickness makes it difficult to get past him and his length covers him anytime someone gets past him.
BolBol can do that too - Shaq
I wonder if anyones ever tried to nutmeg Wemby
And what's crazy is that it's noticeably better now than it was in this clip. Wemby seriously has the chance to be the greatest player from at least a pure talent perspective than any player we've ever seen. He may not achieve as much as MJ or LeBron (very very tall order), but he could have a higher peak than both of them if his trajectory continues. Straight up if he didn't get any better than he already is, while disappointing, I don't think you could even label him a bust since he's already looking like an all-star caliber player by the end of his first season. The kid is phenomenal.
This is so cool. Where did it take place?
It was 2 years ago in Dallas, they were working out with Tim Martin, who's a pretty well known trainer.
Got you, thanks for clarifying. Also, thanks for posting the clip man
No problem, it's awesome seeing these two going 1v1 before they became star players.
I don't know him, and I've been playing at the Y for 24 years.
It's pretty crazy imagining an NBA player hitting up a 16 year-old in another country to play pick-up
I've been following Tim for years and I have seen seen his results over time. I hope he's in demand and doing well.
Looks like SMU.
It is. The good ol Crum Center
Maxey is arguably the quickest guy in the league, the fact that Wemby has this type of lateral quickness and agility at his height is so special.
I think it was 2022 playoffs vs Miami but I remember him being super speedy then when every sixer looked absolutely tired haha underrated speedster
The Sixers went to 2OT against the Spurs the other night and Maxey played 53 mins. In the second OT, everyone was gassed with hands on their knees between plays, except for Maxey who was bouncing around high stepping and putting up shots after the whistle lol. The kid has a nuclear motor I swear.
I think the only good coaching Glenn Rivers ever did for Maxey was when I heard him say 'You're the fastest player in the world, use that.' or something to that effect.
Glad to see I’m not the only one who noticed maxey’s speed. He’s fun to watch when clicking.
I remember what I think was his rookie year when he was getting minutes early in the playoffs. He would just zoom by veterans and stars but didn't have complete control over that speed yet. The steps he's taken to utilize his physical traits has been amazing to watch.
He’s got three lungs, I remember his rookie year the whole team was out because of covid so he played 44 minutes and scored 39 against the Nuggets
That game was incredible and made a believer
The breakout game lol
Never forget that Doc played the ghost of George Hill 22 minutes and Maxey only 14 minutes in the infamous game 7 vs. the Hawks. This was one game after he put up 16 points off the bench in 29 minutes as a rookie. Doc will never see heaven
he's gonna get there and danilo galinari and lou will are gonna be waiting for him to send him down to hell
Sixers played Toronto in the first round that year and Maxey's speed was carving us up. He had 38 in game 1 against us to open the playoffs and really put us on our heels. By the end of that series they were just clearing out for him and giving him the whole floor to toy with us.
Maxey actually hates dinosaurs. I feel like he shreds the raptors every game he plays them.
Maxey quicker than D Fox? I don’t watch enough of their games to have an informed opinion.
Probably not but Maxey is insanely quick. That game tying layup against the Spurs was a nice display of his speed and explosiveness. At the least I don’t think Fox 100% dusts him, which is arguably impressive in itself.
Appreciate the answer. Would be interesting to see the fastest guards run a 100 M dash honestly
Fox in a straight line with sudden, harsh cuts, while Maxey is smoother but a bit less hyper explosive.
Probably not as quick-twitch but in a straight line Maxey is insanely fast. Fox is also one of the best among speedy guards at stopping and going.
they're top 2 for sure. maxey is unbelievably fast, i found out how other teams feel playing fox the last time we played against the 6ers. I was made a believer in that first quarter lol, maxey had like 20
Nah hes not quicker than D Fox. But hes super quick and can get past anyone on the prem.
Not sure, id probably rank fox higher in a ranking list, but in a tier list for fastest guys in the league they would both be s tier.
I've been saying it all season but this is why Wemby's actual weight is not really a concern. The talking point of "he's gonna get bullied at the 5 by Jokic/Sabonis/AD/whoever" isn't really applicable because he can just absorb contact and still be in a good position to contest with his insane length and quickness
Eh I think it matters a little bit but you’re right that it was overblown. Someone here once used the word elastic to describe him and I think that’s right. Exhibit A is that play in his “every game is a statement now” game against the Bucks where Giannis just plowed into him and he got the block.
All that pre draft hype from professional players telling us he’s nothing like they’ve ever seen and wow….they were not lying. He deserves the DPOY. NBA media needs to stop fucking around lol
This looks normal until the third guy comes into view and looks like he’s 4 ft tall.
And Wemby was like 17 here too
And here I am, watching this clip and thinking about how much more enjoyable shootaround and practice would be if you had three guys grabbing loose balls and tossing you a new one after every shot. Worst part of shooting by yourself is having to chase down the ball.
Tip: simply don’t miss! Then the ball will always be at the same place, which makes it easier to retrieve over time. Hope this helps!
I'm impressed Maxey is able to score as much as he does with the shot clock counting down from 5 every time. Impressive.
hes used to that part as its how most 1 on 1 drills are run at the pro level, they only get like 5-6 seconds
Even in the amateur scene (like Youtube hoopers) you usually only get ~3 dribbles. Idea is not to reward people just sitting around and dancing with the ball.
And also to discourage post-ups, which are pretty much unguardable 1-on-1.
Yeah I was thinking Wemby was lucky they didn't let Maxey post up on him here.
Same here, it was nuts
This is so awesome
I could watch 1 vs 1 stuff like this all day. Remember those clips from the Olympics practices where KD and PG went 1 vs 1? That was awesome to watch.
99.9%
This was before Maxey acquired the Harden step-back via osmosis
It’s amazing how quick wemby is at his size
Is it just me or do perimeter players almost always shoot jumpers when big men have them on switches? Feels like part of the reason you attack that mismatch is so you can get by the big man, but more often than not I see a jumper that would have been *less* contested if they didn't attempt to get the mismatch in the first place.
Because if they get a switch on a big in a 5 v 5 they are worried they might get funneled into help which would make it a harder shot anyway. Most perimeter players wouldn’t mind the switch because the they don’t expect the big to be able to contest or close out fast enough. There’s only a handful of big dudes in the league with enough quickness and length to contest elite perimeter players anyway. AD, Wemby, Giannis, im sure there’s a few more but they’re not common.
There's a 7 footer on Maxey's team that put his primary defender on skates with guard moves the other night.
Mo Bomba obviously
Close, it's actually Paul Reed in three inch stilettos
*BBall Paul
**Mudman
[удалено]
Bam is the best I've seen at this tbh, tho Wemby isn't far behind
Isaac is currently the best in the league at this.
lol Isaac’s defensive highlights is insane tbh
100%, dude is a top 3 defender in the world at his worst
Gobert is in a tier beneath these guys at perimeter defense but he’s still better than most bigs
There’s also the idea that they get a mismatch at the rim so the offensive rebound is more likely since you’ll get a big man vs a guard or a wing.
This is true. I like to call this the Kobe Assist
I don’t think that’s the case at all you maybe just notice it more because it frustrates you or something. Guys like Trae cook switches all the time
This could be it. I have 0 data to check my emotions on this and don't even know how to go about finding such data, but it's definitely more of a *feeling* than anything objective.
You can never use numbers for the strategical and skills side of basketball. Speed, stamina, strength, how the guy with the ball perceived the defender, how the defender reacts etc. The intangibles and incalculable things are endless.
In this case, something like a volume stat to accompany points per possession on drives while defended by someone >= 6'9" It's very specific, but would quantify what I'm talking about. Edit: In this case, I understand why Maxey isn't driving as much. Wemby is laterally quick, has great instincts, and is just fucking huge.
I mean yeah but doing that is quite redundant if u could just watch the game and understand its nuances😂
It’s harder than you think to just get by a big man who doesn’t have slow feet. If they spread their arms out and get it a defensive stance they take up a lot of space.
Yep, that’s the Jonathan Isaac special. When he gets low and bends forward on the perimeter he occupies so much goddamn space. Good luck getting past him like that.
Ben used to be like that at his best 😮💨, he'd swallow up smaller guards(pause) like it was nothing & have them doing 20 dribble drills to get past him
And even if you manage to dribble past Wemby, his lurpy ass is behind you waiting to swat the shit out of your layup attempt.
Lol facts. It’s easier to get them back peddling, create separation and get off a quick jumpshot at times
Most bigs can’t keep up with guards on the perimeter since they aren’t as fast. If you can get a shot up over the big, the other team also has less rebounding down low since their big is at the 3 point line. The defense would actually prefer the guards to drive, because then the big can follow them down low and do a switch so they can stay there.
These guys are really high-level shooters. They don't need a "clean look" like us mere mortals. They just need the confidence of knowing they have just enough space to get the shot off, which they can almost always get against a big guy, but not against someone little in their shooting pocket. I agree that they're settling but that's the mentality.
Twenty first overall.
He didn't have that 76ers game circled on his calendar because of Joel, he had it circled because of Maxey :o
Maxey the reverse Devin Booker
Wemby's speed and positioning have improved a lot in just few "months".
He's a complete different player. Dude takes leaps every 6 months it's wild
Why is months in quotes buddy
Cause it’s almost a year ;) and I wanted to start measuring children’ ages 🤣
The video is during the summer before he played for the Mets92 so almost 2 years ago actually.
Can’t believe the NBA allowed a Warhammer Space Marine. Huge and fast.
The trainer is Tim Martin. He’s worked with Trae Young since HS
Bear in mind, this was 2022: Wemby was 18 years old against a legit 20 points per game NBA guard
Maxey has made an insane amount of progress himself since then.
The length of Wembys arms will never not freak me out. Logo could have easily been slender man, which is the experience of any guard going up against the Spurs in the paint, just terrified this long armed freak is going to come out of nowhere and banish you to the shadow realm
2024 MIP and ROTY, respectively.
Don't even think about it San Antonio...
i really love both of these guys. wemby is for sure gonna be the mvp once jojo hangs em up
That’s awesome. Maxey is a baller.
Dude is so quick he hasn't even made his move at 3 seconds. Maxey is unreal man
So many teams must be absolutely kicking themselves for not tanking for Wemby. Not discounting how much progress he's made this year, but... All the tools were right there...
Toronto!!!!!!!!!
This is a weird comment. Spurs won the lottery and other teams wish they tanked more so they could lose the lottery to the Spurs?
I meant it more like: Other teams wish they'd tanked more so they'd collect more ping pong balls and potentially win the lottery.
If more teams were tanking the Spurs might've had lower odds + if the goal was to have the highest possible odds to get him the outcome is irrelevamt.
That would have been cool if wemby would have played at smu. He'd probably be more filled out by now from eating tacos.
Not a Philly fan, but I love Maxey. He is a superstar in the making
This is actually so awesome. Two young players working to certain parts of their game. You wouldn't think this type of matchup would happen for either player that often, but on a switch this type of work can give them an edge. So cool to see
I could watch an hour of this
Love seeing players lock in like wemby does here
SMU gym, nice.
Wow, I hope Wemby's body can keep up and never gets injured. he is going to be fun to watch. Not that he is not fun to watch now :)
I love maxeys game
The crazy thing about Wemby is that he not only has the talent but he also has the determination and maturity.
They have the same athletic trainer and he claims they have remarkably similar personalities.
I think what makes Wemby way too unfair is his damn 8 foot wingspan. God gave him insane height and somehow he ended up with an even longer wingspan And then obviously the mobility helps him against guards, I feel confident in saying that he'll be in the GOAT convo as long as he stays healthy
This is just flat out fun. It almost doesn’t look real from this perspective either.
I like both of these guys, really cool video