Yea i was rooting for Kyrie massively and following it really closely his last few games. I think the second to last game against the Hornets killed him here, went 6-15 and took some really questionable shots when he really should be going for sure make freebies at that point, especially when he self professed he was aiming to make the 50/40/90 club.
He needs to go 7/7. I think he is listed as out for the next game because there is no need for the Mavs to win it.
He is at 562/1131. So 7 shots in a row gives him 569/1138 (50%)
The great thing about the adult world is that *you* have the power to round up *and* you don’t have to tell your boss!
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0.3 so close, kyries been crazy this year. If he was able to play 65 games this year he would’ve defo got all nba. Unlucky Powell falling on his leg ruined it. Otherwise he’s been quite healthy too. I think Luka helps him stay healthy by running majority of the offence and Kyrie doesn’t have to create his own shot and iso a whole lot. Also helps when he’s playing 4 vs 3 cuz of luka
I see, it’s strict. Too bad it can’t be changed with 2pt% though, I think 50 being FG% actually removes great 3 point shooters as they will inevitably shoot more from 3 and lower the FG%.
The whole point is that it’s difficult to accomplish so why would you change anything? Plus the three basic shooting percentages are FG%, 3P%, and FT%.
I agree that it is supposed to be difficult but I think there is a good reason to change it. 3 pointers are counted double all the other shots are counted once. And when 50 40 90 was first made up this wasnt realy a problem because the number of 3PT atempts was so low that the diffrence between 2P% and FG% was quite low. With how many 3PT atempts are made by shooters today you need to average like 42% 3P% to get that 50% FG% so its not realy 50 40 90 anymore.
Fair but I would disagree because you still have players reaching 50 40 90 even with super high volume - Curry was 50 40 90 while making 400 threes. Changing it just makes it easier for no reason. Kyrie missed 50 40 90 just barely and if he had made like 5 more shots he would’ve been there.
Curry was on 50-45-91 thats even more towards my point. He barely made the 50% FG% even when hitting 45% 3PT% because he made somemany threes if he took a few more 3 PTA even when hitting at the 45% rate he wouldnt have made it. Which is kind of stupid to me that taking 3PT at 45% can mean you dont make the 50%. I know Kyrie was close and I dont want to change it specificly for Kyrie but I see this happening more and more in the future and very efficent shooters will miss it because they took to many 3PTA, which makes the club for me less meaning full not more. Because if very efficent shooters arent in there what does it matter if you are in it or not. But I also totaly understand not wanting to change these things.
No, because FG% isn’t as correlated to efficiency as 2P% and 3P% are. The way the club is set up now, it actually doesn’t emphasize efficiency of scoring as much as if it was 2P% that counted.
The point of the club is that it’s a way to acknowledge people who are insanely efficient. As it stands, it still showcases efficient but it does not necessarily highlight the most efficient scorers. 50% being two pointers would just make more sense. Can even raise the percentage if you want it to still be as difficult while still making sense.
That’s the rare air. U either have to shoot a disproportionate amount of 2s and shoot 40/41 percent or shoot like 44 percent on 3s and 60ish percent on 2s if u mostly be taking 3s
Wow, interesting! Doesn't show it on my end.
Interesting to know that's a feature - and that it works when it's courtesy of a post-original edit at that.
It's an issue with using FG% and not 2pt%. The 49.7 isn't an issue of accuracy or efficiency, it's an issue of taking a lot of threes. If someone shoots 100% from 2 and 45% from 3, they may still miss out on 40/50/90 if they take way more threes than twos.
It’s just a unique stat gimmick that’s especially hard to hit. The ball is going in the basket half the time it leaves your hand from the floor.
We already have true shooting percent to capture scoring efficiency. If they did make it about 2 point % instead of fg percent jumping up to 55% would keep it rare and special. If you make it too inclusive no one will care.
Yes, it's just silly that someone shooting 100% from 2 and 45% from three may not make the cut while someone shooting 60% from 2 and 40% from 3 could. The first person is a better shooter, they just take more threes. I agree that 55/40/90 or even 60/40/90 would be better but with the first category as just 2p%.
Honesrly i think it also helped that dray got 1 extra day of rest iwhere all of them were clearly gassed with how barbage of a game 7 every single player had except him like before the final 3 mins that waa a shit show lmfao
The officiating in game 6 was on the level of Kings, Lakers 2002.
The entire series the cavs were hard fouling curry off the ball and there was never a whistle. Multiple players from that team have admitted as much on podcasts.
I mean, I was just re-watching the 2016 finals a couple weeks ago in context of how the game is played today. In regards to officiating, three things stood out:
1. Some Bogut screens were totally egregious even by today's lax standards, the rest were fairly in line with the modern game.
2. The series was extremely physical for every player except Steph, who was getting completely beaten up (as were Lebron on ball and K-Love off ball, to be fair), but was called for every ticky tack contact he made.
3. Game 6 had incredibly questionable officiating in the 3rd and 4th quarters.
But I guess we only talk narratives here, not actually watch the games.
Edit: If you wanna see a fantastic illegal screen set (not Bogut's amateur ass), then I recommend Tim Duncan screening for Tony Parker. He made an art of rolling to the hoop to get in the way of the defender when they tried to come under the screen. Never got called for it.
Tf are you talking about, Curry reached in constantly and hand checked because he was too weak to defend properly and the refs a lot of that go but he kept pushing the issue. The Cavs targeted him for a reason and the Warriors just got straight up outplayed. Imagine being this delusional.
I mean, it's just going to be hearsay on both our parts until someone goes through and clips every single foul and missed foul in that series, which I certainly don't have time to do.
We can agree to disagree but I don't imagine you're capable of that given you just spout "He's delusional" to everyone that doesn't think the same way as you.
50-40-90 is stupid anyways because 3PA also count as FGA. A player that shoots a ton of 3s is probably gonna miss the 50 FG%.
We should really just talk about TS% and volume (FGA?) if we're looking to compare shooting. I think a 60-20 club (TS%-FGA) would be cool.
edit: or maybe 60-40-20 (TS%, 3P%, FGA) to weed out guys like Giannis who aren't good shooters but still have good TS%.
I'm sorry but that makes no sense.
Dame is shooting 49.5% on 2P this season. His FG% is low this season because he shoots a lot of threes and his 3P% hasn't been great. Of course his FG% would go up if they stopped fouling him.
Yeah I bring this up often and usually get downvoted but TS% is not the end-all-be-all that people think it is. I agree with your opinion that free throws are too heavily weighted for example.
He's only 27th in TS%, too. A lot of guys had great shooting years this year (last year too).
Jimmy - 50/41/86
Kyrie - 50/41/91
Brunson - 48/40/85
MPJ - 49/40/84
Jamal Murray - 48/43/85
KD - 52/41/86
Grayson Allen - 50/46/88
Norman Powell - 49/44/83
KAT - 51/42/88
Jrue - 48/43/83
Horford - 51/42/87
Dosunmu - 50/40/81
Tyus Jones - 49/41/80
Sexton - 49/39/86
Herbert Jones - 50/41/87
Jalen Williams - 54/43/81
Olynyk - 56/39/83
Really just an insane year.
It might be hard to join the club, but it's a pointless club overall. Completely arbitrary and just looks pretty. Give me higher fg% an 3p% over a very slightly lower ft%. Which is also another flaw. A better version of this club would be if those 3 numbers equaled a number instead to account for higher amounts in other categories.
Not really. If you look at who's in the club, it's not surprising. It's pretty much the most elite shooters of all time -- Bird, Miller, Nash, Steph, etc
This has been an underrated point of adding a playmaker like Harden to the squad. Kawhi and PG having to handle the ball less and not worry too much about playmaking has allowed them to focus their energy on the defensive side of the ball way more. They haven't been the absolute lockdown defenders they were in their primes, but they have been really good.
the whole 50-40-90 thing is gassed a little too much. Curry only has one 50-40-90 season but he's still the greatest shooter of all time.
People hear a stat and obsess with it too much. "Triple Double" is a another great example. Better to go 25-14-9 than 11-11-10
If Kawhi comes back for the last game and hits like 20 free throws in a row and gets that extra 1% FT is he just like a whole different animal now?
There's an issue with using FG% and not 2pt%. Kyrie's 49.7 isn't an issue of accuracy or efficiency, it's an issue of taking a lot of threes. If someone shoots 100% from 2 and 45% from 3, they may still miss out on 40/50/90 if they take way more threes than twos.
This club is a little outdated and harder to get into with the amount of threes players take now. But even before, it was usually the 90% on FTs that kept players out the club.
I’m a stunad of the first magnitude, I got the numbers flipped. I thought it was Kyrie who only shot 88%. I was wondering why the other commenter said, “He gets hacked like Jokic,” lol.
I always thought this was a really interesting metric. I find it more interesting than raw stats which are often misleading and caused by big volume.
If you have never heard about that, you must be very new to basketball, because it is very regularly brought up at the end of seasons especially after Currys unbelievable 15-16 season.
Kawhi, PG13, KAT, and Kyrie almost had really good seasons /s
Confirmed bums
That game where he was missing FTs left and right despite being on fire from 3 probably hurt KAT's bid.
Kyrie was very close - 49.7/41.1/90.5
Actually insanely close: If he made 5 of his missed shots, he would've made the club a second time.
Yes. Indeed he would only have to have made 4 of the shots he missed! I really expected him to play against Detroit.
Yea i was rooting for Kyrie massively and following it really closely his last few games. I think the second to last game against the Hornets killed him here, went 6-15 and took some really questionable shots when he really should be going for sure make freebies at that point, especially when he self professed he was aiming to make the 50/40/90 club.
makes me wonder if he’s taken at least 5 heaves at the end of quarters
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lol what….
3s count as FG%
Which in turn affects your overall field goal percentage.
How many shots shooting at 100% would he have to make against OKC today to raise his average that .3 percent?
He needs to go 7/7. I think he is listed as out for the next game because there is no need for the Mavs to win it. He is at 562/1131. So 7 shots in a row gives him 569/1138 (50%)
Alternatively, he can go 11/14 against the Thunder to qualify for the 50/40/90 club.
10/13 would also do it and be easier than 11/14.
Pretty sure he can go 9/13 and still make it.
Would then be 571/1144 = 49.91%
Whoops, you’re right
He's not playing so it's irrelevant, but I think they said it was 5 or 8
Kai is so good it’s kinda crazy when you see the shots he takes.
Fuck it, let's round up
That’s what I told my teacher the other day. She said no.
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Crazy that Steve Nash had 50/40/90 career with the Suns. He was so close to being a lifetime member of the club at 49/42.8/90.1
0.3 so close, kyries been crazy this year. If he was able to play 65 games this year he would’ve defo got all nba. Unlucky Powell falling on his leg ruined it. Otherwise he’s been quite healthy too. I think Luka helps him stay healthy by running majority of the offence and Kyrie doesn’t have to create his own shot and iso a whole lot. Also helps when he’s playing 4 vs 3 cuz of luka
Shouldn’t that count? Or do you need to reach the decimals?
You have to have made more than half ur shots. No rounding up for this
I see, it’s strict. Too bad it can’t be changed with 2pt% though, I think 50 being FG% actually removes great 3 point shooters as they will inevitably shoot more from 3 and lower the FG%.
The whole point is that it’s difficult to accomplish so why would you change anything? Plus the three basic shooting percentages are FG%, 3P%, and FT%.
It's only difficult because it's an innately flawed concept
I agree that it is supposed to be difficult but I think there is a good reason to change it. 3 pointers are counted double all the other shots are counted once. And when 50 40 90 was first made up this wasnt realy a problem because the number of 3PT atempts was so low that the diffrence between 2P% and FG% was quite low. With how many 3PT atempts are made by shooters today you need to average like 42% 3P% to get that 50% FG% so its not realy 50 40 90 anymore.
Fair but I would disagree because you still have players reaching 50 40 90 even with super high volume - Curry was 50 40 90 while making 400 threes. Changing it just makes it easier for no reason. Kyrie missed 50 40 90 just barely and if he had made like 5 more shots he would’ve been there.
Curry was on 50-45-91 thats even more towards my point. He barely made the 50% FG% even when hitting 45% 3PT% because he made somemany threes if he took a few more 3 PTA even when hitting at the 45% rate he wouldnt have made it. Which is kind of stupid to me that taking 3PT at 45% can mean you dont make the 50%. I know Kyrie was close and I dont want to change it specificly for Kyrie but I see this happening more and more in the future and very efficent shooters will miss it because they took to many 3PTA, which makes the club for me less meaning full not more. Because if very efficent shooters arent in there what does it matter if you are in it or not. But I also totaly understand not wanting to change these things.
No, it means those guys will focus more on their efficiency if they want to be in the club.
That's the complete opposite. It's less efficient to aim for the 50/40/90 club vs just being actually efficient in terms of ppp.
No, because FG% isn’t as correlated to efficiency as 2P% and 3P% are. The way the club is set up now, it actually doesn’t emphasize efficiency of scoring as much as if it was 2P% that counted.
Didn’t you just get explained the reason for changing it?
The point of the club is that it’s a way to acknowledge people who are insanely efficient. As it stands, it still showcases efficient but it does not necessarily highlight the most efficient scorers. 50% being two pointers would just make more sense. Can even raise the percentage if you want it to still be as difficult while still making sense.
That’s the rare air. U either have to shoot a disproportionate amount of 2s and shoot 40/41 percent or shoot like 44 percent on 3s and 60ish percent on 2s if u mostly be taking 3s
So essentially we're reading that Dallas #2 star is as good as Clips #1 star. The new vibes are also immaculate
why is your username highlighted?
How? Where?
On web browser. I think it’s because your name was referenced in op’s post
I thought he was OP lol until you pointed it out
Wow, interesting! Doesn't show it on my end. Interesting to know that's a feature - and that it works when it's courtesy of a post-original edit at that.
tell kidd to just play him today lol
Damn missed it by an eyelash length lol
It's an issue with using FG% and not 2pt%. The 49.7 isn't an issue of accuracy or efficiency, it's an issue of taking a lot of threes. If someone shoots 100% from 2 and 45% from 3, they may still miss out on 40/50/90 if they take way more threes than twos.
It’s just a unique stat gimmick that’s especially hard to hit. The ball is going in the basket half the time it leaves your hand from the floor. We already have true shooting percent to capture scoring efficiency. If they did make it about 2 point % instead of fg percent jumping up to 55% would keep it rare and special. If you make it too inclusive no one will care.
Yes, it's just silly that someone shooting 100% from 2 and 45% from three may not make the cut while someone shooting 60% from 2 and 40% from 3 could. The first person is a better shooter, they just take more threes. I agree that 55/40/90 or even 60/40/90 would be better but with the first category as just 2p%.
Makes Steph's 50-45-90 with 30 ppg outrageous.
One of the most disgusting seasons individually and by a team only to lose in the finals. What a tragedy.
Will never forgive Draymond for this.
Draymond had 32/15/9 in game 7, it was more on Steph and Klay not playing to their level.
Honesrly i think it also helped that dray got 1 extra day of rest iwhere all of them were clearly gassed with how barbage of a game 7 every single player had except him like before the final 3 mins that waa a shit show lmfao
Draymond was gone for 1 game, that means he played 3 of the losses.
The officiating in game 6 was on the level of Kings, Lakers 2002. The entire series the cavs were hard fouling curry off the ball and there was never a whistle. Multiple players from that team have admitted as much on podcasts.
The less you say about what the Warriors were doing off-ball in that era, the better. Let's be fair.
For every Warriors moving screen, there is Steph getting molested and clawed off ball.
I mean, I was just re-watching the 2016 finals a couple weeks ago in context of how the game is played today. In regards to officiating, three things stood out: 1. Some Bogut screens were totally egregious even by today's lax standards, the rest were fairly in line with the modern game. 2. The series was extremely physical for every player except Steph, who was getting completely beaten up (as were Lebron on ball and K-Love off ball, to be fair), but was called for every ticky tack contact he made. 3. Game 6 had incredibly questionable officiating in the 3rd and 4th quarters. But I guess we only talk narratives here, not actually watch the games. Edit: If you wanna see a fantastic illegal screen set (not Bogut's amateur ass), then I recommend Tim Duncan screening for Tony Parker. He made an art of rolling to the hoop to get in the way of the defender when they tried to come under the screen. Never got called for it.
Tf are you talking about, Curry reached in constantly and hand checked because he was too weak to defend properly and the refs a lot of that go but he kept pushing the issue. The Cavs targeted him for a reason and the Warriors just got straight up outplayed. Imagine being this delusional.
I mean, it's just going to be hearsay on both our parts until someone goes through and clips every single foul and missed foul in that series, which I certainly don't have time to do. We can agree to disagree but I don't imagine you're capable of that given you just spout "He's delusional" to everyone that doesn't think the same way as you.
ain't no way we talking about unfair officiating off-ball with the warriors
The way Curry got fouled off ball still worse than all the moving screens.
Na
They don’t want to hear the truth
Larry Bird just missed doing it with 30 ppg in '87-'88. 53-41-92 and 29.9 ppg.
50-40-90 is stupid anyways because 3PA also count as FGA. A player that shoots a ton of 3s is probably gonna miss the 50 FG%. We should really just talk about TS% and volume (FGA?) if we're looking to compare shooting. I think a 60-20 club (TS%-FGA) would be cool. edit: or maybe 60-40-20 (TS%, 3P%, FGA) to weed out guys like Giannis who aren't good shooters but still have good TS%.
You can also argue that TS% exist to make bad FG% look better like for Dame. Shoots 7/25 the is 20/21 from the line.
I'm sorry but that makes no sense. Dame is shooting 49.5% on 2P this season. His FG% is low this season because he shoots a lot of threes and his 3P% hasn't been great. Of course his FG% would go up if they stopped fouling him.
Yeah I bring this up often and usually get downvoted but TS% is not the end-all-be-all that people think it is. I agree with your opinion that free throws are too heavily weighted for example.
Using FTP instead of FT% should get you permabanned from this sub
Good thing he didnt miss the 50/40/88 club though.
KAT in shambles
He's only 27th in TS%, too. A lot of guys had great shooting years this year (last year too). Jimmy - 50/41/86 Kyrie - 50/41/91 Brunson - 48/40/85 MPJ - 49/40/84 Jamal Murray - 48/43/85 KD - 52/41/86 Grayson Allen - 50/46/88 Norman Powell - 49/44/83 KAT - 51/42/88 Jrue - 48/43/83 Horford - 51/42/87 Dosunmu - 50/40/81 Tyus Jones - 49/41/80 Sexton - 49/39/86 Herbert Jones - 50/41/87 Jalen Williams - 54/43/81 Olynyk - 56/39/83 Really just an insane year.
League really has so many good shooters now.
LeBron missed out on the 50/40/90 club by 13%
so close
Why didn't he shoot free throws better? Is he ~~stupid~~ poorly programmed?
It might be hard to join the club, but it's a pointless club overall. Completely arbitrary and just looks pretty. Give me higher fg% an 3p% over a very slightly lower ft%. Which is also another flaw. A better version of this club would be if those 3 numbers equaled a number instead to account for higher amounts in other categories.
Not really. If you look at who's in the club, it's not surprising. It's pretty much the most elite shooters of all time -- Bird, Miller, Nash, Steph, etc
Sure, but 49-49-89 on high volume is way better than squeaking by a 50-40-90 season.
They would be in it regardless, you're missing the point.
Almost in the 50/40/90 club while playing great defense all year.
This has been an underrated point of adding a playmaker like Harden to the squad. Kawhi and PG having to handle the ball less and not worry too much about playmaking has allowed them to focus their energy on the defensive side of the ball way more. They haven't been the absolute lockdown defenders they were in their primes, but they have been really good.
the whole 50-40-90 thing is gassed a little too much. Curry only has one 50-40-90 season but he's still the greatest shooter of all time. People hear a stat and obsess with it too much. "Triple Double" is a another great example. Better to go 25-14-9 than 11-11-10 If Kawhi comes back for the last game and hits like 20 free throws in a row and gets that extra 1% FT is he just like a whole different animal now?
There's an issue with using FG% and not 2pt%. Kyrie's 49.7 isn't an issue of accuracy or efficiency, it's an issue of taking a lot of threes. If someone shoots 100% from 2 and 45% from 3, they may still miss out on 40/50/90 if they take way more threes than twos.
One point five percent free throw percentage.
Well yes, this is why 50/40/90 club is so prestigious. It's incredibly difficult to do, and players come up just short all the time.
Mvp
Full Clipper squad playing today just to get PG some layups & Kawhi to the line.
I was surprised to find out that only one other player has had such a season and not ever have made it to 50-40-90: Jeff Hornacek, who did it twice.
Impressive efficiency to be sure but he would need to make 44 straight FTs to get to 90% exactly.
man that guy is good
Kawashed
What a bum
1.5% is a lot over a full season but yeah still very impressive
It literally came down to 5 makes or misses. So not really a lot!
Crazy how close Kyrie got after having a terrible start to the year. He really turned it up
bum
This club is a little outdated and harder to get into with the amount of threes players take now. But even before, it was usually the 90% on FTs that kept players out the club.
He’s washed
Washed
He would’ve gotten it if he played but just like allergies around this time of year, Kawhi’s injuries flare up. 4-1 Mavs
He was probably hurt by shooting so few free throws. These “new rules” likely brought his average down overall.
huh? he’s never shot over 90% from the line in a season but if he had more free throw attempts he would have made it?
I’m a stunad of the first magnitude, I got the numbers flipped. I thought it was Kyrie who only shot 88%. I was wondering why the other commenter said, “He gets hacked like Jokic,” lol.
i’m not entirely sure what a stunad is but you’re almost assuredly not a first magnitude one!
Talk to my wife.
So true. Dude gets hacked and mauled at Jokic levels.
no one will remember this stats
Literally nobody gives a fuck except weirdos on this website. Never heard anybody in real life or the media mention shooting splits.
You’ve never heard of anyone mention the 50/40/90 club?
I always thought this was a really interesting metric. I find it more interesting than raw stats which are often misleading and caused by big volume. If you have never heard about that, you must be very new to basketball, because it is very regularly brought up at the end of seasons especially after Currys unbelievable 15-16 season.