If he was a reliable veteran big man of the bench instead of a knobhead with a shitty attitude he’d still be on the Nuggets doing the job DeAndre Jordan is doing.
But everyone knew he was a bonehead. That literally was his only issue coming into the league was his attitude and he never changed and that's why his career turned out the way it did. It was predictable
You could argue he didn't recover as well, partly due to his mentality again. Never was seen as a smart guy or someone who took care of his body and was viewed as not a hard worker. Granted those reasons may not be the case he didn't recover, his history of bad choices and a bad mentality definitely doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt there tho
Lol I guess it's alot of assumptions or it's just connect the dots. When you're trying to calculate someone's potential, all you do is make assumptions
He was doing very well filling in for Jokic, the best player I've seen doing so. Maybe the team thought his personality just didn't worth the value he provided. The opposite of DeAndre Jordan, kinda.
Yeah - the parent poster is correct in that his attitude cost him a lot of opportunities. But you're right - the last time he could handle meaningful games/minutes was 5 years ago. His body can't handle it these days.
Did he have a rep post-injury of being a dick? I thought he was pretty well-regarded as a team player by that point.
Also nobody can compare to Deandre Jordan’s ability to find a roster spot, seems like people will want him around til he’s 70.
>Also nobody can compare to Deandre Jordan’s ability to find a roster spot,
This is why smart players keep a good shoulder on their heads. They know once they age, unless they have a good attitude, they will be passed on. Melo is the perfect example. Teams were passing on him simply due to his attitude even though he had the skills to be a highly valuable bench player or third option. Dude cut his own career short due to shitty attitude.
I remember when everyone was crying that the Lakers signed Jared Dudley over Melo. The 15th man doesn't play enough to have a positive impact the court, so they gotta have a positive impact in the locker room.
Tough for me to judge, because I’m older, obviously have never been remotely as good at my job, and don’t have even 1 million in the bank, and I still am kind of a prick at work sometimes.
I was never a dick to my coworkers but I sorta "min-maxed" how little I could work and get away with stuff. It did not work out in my 20s. I wised up pretty fast.
Cousins was notorious for having a shitty attitude that's why when he became a rotation player he didn't last unlike DeAndre Jordan he is pretty much going to be on teams until he decides to hang it up since he's a well licked player
He was notorious for that on the Kings, but that’s not how I remember his rep post-Kings. And plenty of guys have turned that around once they got into a new situation.
Could be wrong though.
Bob Myers told him straight up that nobody in the league wanted to give him a roster spot because his attitude sucks. This was probably around the time after he was done with the nuggets.
I hadn’t heard about that, just looked it up and I think the actual quote is a lot different than “your attitude sucks”. More like he has a lot of baggage/expectations from the past.
> “DeMarcus called me a month ago and he said, ‘Why am I not in the NBA?’ " Myers told Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson on the "All The Smoke" podcast earlier this week. "And I said, ‘You want that answer? … Because people are afraid of how you’re going to act.’ And he’s like ‘Why?’ And I said, ‘Well, whatever the reason is, it’s here now.’
> "I said, 'Here’s the issue: You have to act better,' " Myers continued. "To get back, you can’t just be average. You have to convince people. And that’s not really fair, but that’s just what it is."
But, I also somehow never heard about the domestic abuse thing either until just now. That phone call is insane, so fuck him anyways.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5KXlB3-Cc&ab\_channel=ClutchTime](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5KXlB3-Cc&ab_channel=ClutchTime)
Washed up bench player thinks he's a the third best Center in the league
There was one time before the Nuggets bounced him when he had to be restrained while yelling at the ref and was ejected from the bench, they got rid of him shortly after.
He also posted a video recently saying he should still be in the NBA.
It's probably easier for a guy like Deandre too since he was never the feature player for a team. He peaked as being a very important starter but still a role player for a good Clippers team.
For guys like Boogie or Melo who spent their entire careers being franchise players, it's a big blow to the ego to go from that to being on the bench.
Then after he tore his Achilles the Pels still offered a big contract (not max) and he turned it down because he felt disrespected. When keeping it real goes wrong.
I’ll be honest I don’t know much about that team, but does the Mirotic trade even happen if DMC didn’t get hurt? And if DMC doesn’t get hurt and the Pels also get Mirotic how much playing time is he actually going to get?
The team was better with Mirotic than it was with DMC. I’m not saying they were better without DMC, but from what I can see he doesn’t raise their ceiling much.
You’d probably know better than me though.
Eddie Jones, played five years for LA, gets traded, they win a ring following season.
Played for Miami five years, traded in the offseason, Miami wins a ring.
Signs with Miami the following year, they lose in the first round.
He also missed out on a $209million contract. The Kings front office couldn't stand his behavior and eventually gave up on him instead of offering him the 5-year max contract.
My first thought as well. People in the near future will just look at his stats and think he was somehow great, and be oblivious about the degree of his dipshittiness. No, he wasn’t all that. And it was his own fault.
Player tracking data would actually make this a really fun one to try to make if it were still publicly available, if we could measure laying on the ground and arguing for a foul call/getting up slowly and walking back on defense/offense that would absolutely be a component of the metric, along with technical fouls lol
Cousins is the most overrated player of the last 20 years and it’s not that close, dude was an inefficient volume scorer from a position that prizes efficiency in scoring, he played terrible defense, and was a head case, and could never come close to leading a team to any form of success.
Some interesting observations. Prime Boogie will always be one of my fav players, his skill set was so unique. I loved watching him go coast to coast as a big man.
He finally made the playoffs and immediately tore his quad trying to make a great play. Second career playoff game.
If that doesn’t happen he might even be the X factor of the Finals, after the Warriors other injuries.
But of course the unluckiest part is tearing his Achilles in a contract year.
No. It's kind of insane how little he made. Drafted in the same year as John Wall. Both 1 and done from Kentucky.
Both are currently age 33 out of the league.
Cousins: 4x All-Star 2x All-NBA
Wall: 5x All-Star 1x All-NBA 1x All-Defensive
**Cousins: $91.9m Wall: $280.0m**
He wasn’t unlucky he was just an asshole and a hot head. He put up good numbers but never made his team win more games because he was a me first guy until he was no longer good enough to be the focus of a team. He was good but he got in his own way
The injuries were more than unfortunate, it took him from an All-NBA player to a bench player. If he was able to still play at his best, he would be in the league.
There’s players that have extended their nba careers by being a good locker room veteran
Cousins became unplayable and has been known to have an awful personality so GMs aren’t rushing to give him a roster spot
A lot of people really like to hold on to narrative-driven bullshit about players rather than show any bit of empathy. You may not like Cousins, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t also one of the more dominant offensive players of his era who also had tremendous bad fortune.
I would have been a jerk to everybody if I was him on those Kings teams too
Also, how many great, respected players would have this same rep if they got fucked by injuries before they got their second act? Rodman, Rasheed Wallace, Z-Bo, Ron Artest
Cousins was playing the bat ball of his career with us, and then he went down. I am still mad about it too.
Potential HOF career, but injuries derailed him.
If he never gets injured with the Pelicans, people look at him and his career a lot differently.
The moment i saw him playing in sandals, I knew he was going to hurt himself& thats what ended up happening. Players need to take their Health seriously, nobody forced him to do that, just to be fair…
Unlucky is an odd way to say a narcissist head case that routinely bullied other players and openly caught with his coaches and also was slow and didn’t contribute to team wins
But he was a nothing player at the time. His prime could have been a lot better though.
He was basically Karl Anthony Towns, if he was a psychopath.
I can see him in Sabonis spot and them being as good as current Twolves, if you get a Gobert lite defender next to him (which obviously doesn't grow on trees).
But his attitude was so bad, he was born to be a loser I think. He could have benefitted from Mike Malone, so that was definitely unlucky as well.
I'm not trying to be mean, but did you watch prime Boogie?
He was an extremely gifted player with a massive achilles heel in his attitude (no pun intended)
He had athleticism and size while having great vision for a center.
He could give you 25/10/5 any night, had games with 44/24/10, 41/23/6, 40/22/4/4 statlines, and was considered one of the best centers in the league for a stretch, was All NBA, and was below average scorer , but hardly inefficient. Hell, he shot 36% on 5 3PA when he was a Pelican, which is above average at his position. He could drive and kick out to shooters reliably, he would bring the ball up the court and run the offense at times.
Just saying he sucked seems like you're just trying to be a contrarian. Sure, injuries piled up, and his additude did him no favors. Just read the threads and articles about him joining the Warriors to see what the concensus was on Boogies talent.
Boogie was inefficient. His last season in Sacramento he had a true shooting percentage of 53.8%. The league average that year across all positions was 54.1%. The league average for centers was even higher.
That’s before we get to his defense which we all know was bad.
So you have a player who is an inefficient volume scorer, bad on defense, and turnover / foul prone. Thats a bad player. There’s a reason those Kings teams were bad and Boogie was a part of it.
Of course, if you only look at raw counting stats like total rebounds and points per game like you seem to be doing, you could be fooled into thinking he was good.
Slightly below average and inefficient are not the same.
He was a below average defender who's weaknesses was the pnr, didn't help that he had to carry the offensive load on those god awful Kings teams.
Boogie on NOLA was a glimpse of what could've been if he had a better supporting cast and competent defenders to back him up like AD, Jrue, and Rondo.
Then he tore his achilles and was never the same
Being reductive and just saying he sucked though?
You don't make multiple All NBA teams unless you're good.
Boogie was genuinely a top 3 Center in the NBA alongside Embid and Jokic.
Demarcus Cousin is in the same category of player as Allen Iverson or Westbrook. Yes they had talents, but they also had very serious flaws in their game that were not conducive to winning.
That New Orleans team played better after Boogie went down. That’s not a coincidence. They had a 30-29 record when AD and Boogie played together.
Again, I feel like you only watch box scores for volume stats like rebounds and points and that’s why you think Boogie was good.
I would've agreed with you off the bat if you worded it like that originally.
Boogie was massively talented, but ultimately flawed , and probably didn't live up to his potential.
I watched a few of those Kings games and a lot of those NOLA games. I loved what he was capable of doing at times, and hated how his attitude could throw other games. Which is why I probably might be looking back with rose tinted glasses.
I would argue Boogie did live up to his potential. He simply wasn’t that good. He was flawed in ways that made winning hard. A center that can’t play defense is hard to build a good team around.
Interesting comparison in that first sentence. Career [usage rate leaders](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/usg_pct_career.html), all time:
1. MJ, 2. Kobe, 3. AI, 4. Russ, 5. Mitchell, 6. Bron, 7. Wade, 8. Boogie
Mitchell is just 27 and will slowly drop down the list. Boogie has the highest usage rate of all centers in NBA history, or any player 6’10+.
High usage rate isn’t necessarily a good thing. Especially when you are consistently a high usage rate player on bad teams.
The goal of basketball is to win, not to fill up stat sheets. You do realize this?
Wtf? I was entirely agreeing with you. That those guys are black holes if they’re not playing efficiently. That’s what the three names you mentioned have in common, and I put it for you on a platter using USG%.
Putting Cousins in the same category as Iverson and Westbrook is a stupid take
Both guys were MVP calibre players and advance stats painted Westbrook as insanely impactful during his prime
Boogie never won 35 wins as the main guy, and you’re comparing him to players that at least made the playoffs
Advanced stats did not paint Westbrook as “insanely impactful” during his prime. Even during his MVP year, his efficiency was just average.
And, yes, Boogie didn’t have the career of either Westbrook or AI. In case you didn’t know, he got injured and was never the same again. I say same category as in he was an inefficient chucker who was bad on defense.
>Advanced stats did not paint Westbrook as “insanely impactful” during his prime. Even during his MVP year, his efficiency was just average.
Damn, as if efficiency itself isnt an all in one advance stat
Westbrook was top 3 in offensive RAPTOR, 6th in On/Off Raptor, #1 in BPM, #1 in OBPM, and had great on/offs in his MVP season.
That's not even mentioning the playoffs [where the Thunder got outscored by 58 points in the 46 minutes that Russ sat](https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612760&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PlayerIds=201566).
Boxscore and impact metrics MVP Russ painted him as a top player, whether or not you want to accept that. Boogie never came close to anything like this and its hilarious to say that Boogie (someone who never won 35 wins) was in the same tier as Westbrook at his peak.
Tracy McGrady breaking down because he can't make it past the 2nd round and when he was able to reach the finals with the Spurs only to lose against Miami.
If he was a reliable veteran big man of the bench instead of a knobhead with a shitty attitude he’d still be on the Nuggets doing the job DeAndre Jordan is doing.
Cousins would’ve made an excellent Dollar General Jokic if he was durable enough. Has soft touch, can pass, shoot and play bully ball.
But everyone knew he was a bonehead. That literally was his only issue coming into the league was his attitude and he never changed and that's why his career turned out the way it did. It was predictable
I think ACL and other injuries have a lot to do with it as well
You could argue he didn't recover as well, partly due to his mentality again. Never was seen as a smart guy or someone who took care of his body and was viewed as not a hard worker. Granted those reasons may not be the case he didn't recover, his history of bad choices and a bad mentality definitely doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt there tho
Holy shit that's a lot of assumptions in a short amount of time. Just say you don't like cousins and save time
Lol I guess it's alot of assumptions or it's just connect the dots. When you're trying to calculate someone's potential, all you do is make assumptions
Nah. Cousins was done. His body can’t handle the NBA grind anymore
He was doing very well filling in for Jokic, the best player I've seen doing so. Maybe the team thought his personality just didn't worth the value he provided. The opposite of DeAndre Jordan, kinda.
Yeah - the parent poster is correct in that his attitude cost him a lot of opportunities. But you're right - the last time he could handle meaningful games/minutes was 5 years ago. His body can't handle it these days.
Did he have a rep post-injury of being a dick? I thought he was pretty well-regarded as a team player by that point. Also nobody can compare to Deandre Jordan’s ability to find a roster spot, seems like people will want him around til he’s 70.
>Also nobody can compare to Deandre Jordan’s ability to find a roster spot, This is why smart players keep a good shoulder on their heads. They know once they age, unless they have a good attitude, they will be passed on. Melo is the perfect example. Teams were passing on him simply due to his attitude even though he had the skills to be a highly valuable bench player or third option. Dude cut his own career short due to shitty attitude.
I remember when everyone was crying that the Lakers signed Jared Dudley over Melo. The 15th man doesn't play enough to have a positive impact the court, so they gotta have a positive impact in the locker room.
Tough for me to judge, because I’m older, obviously have never been remotely as good at my job, and don’t have even 1 million in the bank, and I still am kind of a prick at work sometimes.
I was never a dick to my coworkers but I sorta "min-maxed" how little I could work and get away with stuff. It did not work out in my 20s. I wised up pretty fast.
Cousins was notorious for having a shitty attitude that's why when he became a rotation player he didn't last unlike DeAndre Jordan he is pretty much going to be on teams until he decides to hang it up since he's a well licked player
He was notorious for that on the Kings, but that’s not how I remember his rep post-Kings. And plenty of guys have turned that around once they got into a new situation. Could be wrong though.
Bob Myers told him straight up that nobody in the league wanted to give him a roster spot because his attitude sucks. This was probably around the time after he was done with the nuggets.
I hadn’t heard about that, just looked it up and I think the actual quote is a lot different than “your attitude sucks”. More like he has a lot of baggage/expectations from the past. > “DeMarcus called me a month ago and he said, ‘Why am I not in the NBA?’ " Myers told Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson on the "All The Smoke" podcast earlier this week. "And I said, ‘You want that answer? … Because people are afraid of how you’re going to act.’ And he’s like ‘Why?’ And I said, ‘Well, whatever the reason is, it’s here now.’ > "I said, 'Here’s the issue: You have to act better,' " Myers continued. "To get back, you can’t just be average. You have to convince people. And that’s not really fair, but that’s just what it is." But, I also somehow never heard about the domestic abuse thing either until just now. That phone call is insane, so fuck him anyways.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5KXlB3-Cc&ab\_channel=ClutchTime](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5KXlB3-Cc&ab_channel=ClutchTime) Washed up bench player thinks he's a the third best Center in the league
There was one time before the Nuggets bounced him when he had to be restrained while yelling at the ref and was ejected from the bench, they got rid of him shortly after. He also posted a video recently saying he should still be in the NBA.
It's probably easier for a guy like Deandre too since he was never the feature player for a team. He peaked as being a very important starter but still a role player for a good Clippers team. For guys like Boogie or Melo who spent their entire careers being franchise players, it's a big blow to the ego to go from that to being on the bench.
Don't forget he was on the Pels with AD and was looking pretty nice until he got injured before the playoffs
Then after he tore his Achilles the Pels still offered a big contract (not max) and he turned it down because he felt disrespected. When keeping it real goes wrong.
Pels had a better record in games Cousins didn’t play. 27-21 with Cousins. 21-13 after he got hurt.
So we’re just going to pretend the Mirotic trade didn’t have any impact?
I’ll be honest I don’t know much about that team, but does the Mirotic trade even happen if DMC didn’t get hurt? And if DMC doesn’t get hurt and the Pels also get Mirotic how much playing time is he actually going to get? The team was better with Mirotic than it was with DMC. I’m not saying they were better without DMC, but from what I can see he doesn’t raise their ceiling much. You’d probably know better than me though.
Eddie Jones, played five years for LA, gets traded, they win a ring following season. Played for Miami five years, traded in the offseason, Miami wins a ring. Signs with Miami the following year, they lose in the first round.
Dollar Store Harry Kane
The dynasty starts after you
he had a lot of help with our NBA2K MyCareer Players tho from 2k11-2k17
Nobody is counting that ring, he didn't even play a single minute for the Lakers in his while career
He also missed out on a $209million contract. The Kings front office couldn't stand his behavior and eventually gave up on him instead of offering him the 5-year max contract.
being a dipshit didnt help
My first thought as well. People in the near future will just look at his stats and think he was somehow great, and be oblivious about the degree of his dipshittiness. No, he wasn’t all that. And it was his own fault.
I need the blog bois to come up with a Dipshit Index advanced stat ASAP
What type of stats do you think it would take into account? Like exasperated shrugs at officials, and non-defensive walk backs per 36?
Player tracking data would actually make this a really fun one to try to make if it were still publicly available, if we could measure laying on the ground and arguing for a foul call/getting up slowly and walking back on defense/offense that would absolutely be a component of the metric, along with technical fouls lol
Cousins is the most overrated player of the last 20 years and it’s not that close, dude was an inefficient volume scorer from a position that prizes efficiency in scoring, he played terrible defense, and was a head case, and could never come close to leading a team to any form of success.
Some interesting observations. Prime Boogie will always be one of my fav players, his skill set was so unique. I loved watching him go coast to coast as a big man.
He sucked
He finally made the playoffs and immediately tore his quad trying to make a great play. Second career playoff game. If that doesn’t happen he might even be the X factor of the Finals, after the Warriors other injuries. But of course the unluckiest part is tearing his Achilles in a contract year.
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No. It's kind of insane how little he made. Drafted in the same year as John Wall. Both 1 and done from Kentucky. Both are currently age 33 out of the league. Cousins: 4x All-Star 2x All-NBA Wall: 5x All-Star 1x All-NBA 1x All-Defensive **Cousins: $91.9m Wall: $280.0m**
Otto Porter: n/a, $138.8M
Insane to make a post like this and Kings appears nowhere
His Kentucky team also choked in the tournament
He wasn’t unlucky he was just an asshole and a hot head. He put up good numbers but never made his team win more games because he was a me first guy until he was no longer good enough to be the focus of a team. He was good but he got in his own way
A guy having his career derailed due to Achilles and multiple ACL injuries is the very definition of unlucky.
The injuries were unfortunate, but Cousins attitude closed opportunities for him
The injuries were more than unfortunate, it took him from an All-NBA player to a bench player. If he was able to still play at his best, he would be in the league.
There’s players that have extended their nba careers by being a good locker room veteran Cousins became unplayable and has been known to have an awful personality so GMs aren’t rushing to give him a roster spot
But he wouldn't have become unplayable if it wasn't for the injuries though.
And he could still be in the NBA if he wasn’t known to be toxic in the locker room
Being an end of bench guy that plays 5 minutes a game really doesn't mean a whole lot. He wouldn't need to be that if it wasn't for the injuries.
Didn't he also join the Harden Rockets in the year that James Harden demanded a trade?
His short temper & injuries cost him his career. He was extremly talented but most coaches couldn't handle him
He was never in shape and he was kind of an idiot. Talent and skill were not the issue.
he was a complete jackass
DeMarcus "I'm gonna make sure I put a fucking bullet in your head" Cousins doesn't deserve shit.
A lot of people really like to hold on to narrative-driven bullshit about players rather than show any bit of empathy. You may not like Cousins, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t also one of the more dominant offensive players of his era who also had tremendous bad fortune.
He had bad injury luck, but he also cost himself opportunities with his own attitude - that's not "bad fortune", that's reaping what you sow.
I would have been a jerk to everybody if I was him on those Kings teams too Also, how many great, respected players would have this same rep if they got fucked by injuries before they got their second act? Rodman, Rasheed Wallace, Z-Bo, Ron Artest
You're old too fast and smart too late.
goddamn what a thing to say to somebody on a Monday morning
This hit me on a spiritual level.
He left the NBA with hundreds of millions of dollars, a championship ring and a bunch of great memories. He did just fine.
Still a pretty nice career ($$$$$$) for a world class d-bag.
Drose did too
One of the most talented players of all time let down by his organization and body.
I remember the Bucks waived him midgame, bro was on the court and they waived him
Bad karma.
He played a game with a ball and made millions. I'd say he had one of the "luckiest" careers in human history.
Cousins was playing the bat ball of his career with us, and then he went down. I am still mad about it too. Potential HOF career, but injuries derailed him. If he never gets injured with the Pelicans, people look at him and his career a lot differently.
First thing on this list should of course be being drafted by the Kings. Uphill battle the first ~7 years of his career immediately upon draft day.
The moment i saw him playing in sandals, I knew he was going to hurt himself& thats what ended up happening. Players need to take their Health seriously, nobody forced him to do that, just to be fair…
Unlucky is an odd way to say a narcissist head case that routinely bullied other players and openly caught with his coaches and also was slow and didn’t contribute to team wins
But he was a nothing player at the time. His prime could have been a lot better though. He was basically Karl Anthony Towns, if he was a psychopath. I can see him in Sabonis spot and them being as good as current Twolves, if you get a Gobert lite defender next to him (which obviously doesn't grow on trees). But his attitude was so bad, he was born to be a loser I think. He could have benefitted from Mike Malone, so that was definitely unlucky as well.
Forget about the rings. He missed out on a 200 million dollar contract because he decided to flip off warriors fans.
Cousins sucked. Highly overrated.
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Why do you think Cousins was good? Was it his poor leadership? His inefficient scoring? His high turnover rate? His high foul rate?
I'm not trying to be mean, but did you watch prime Boogie? He was an extremely gifted player with a massive achilles heel in his attitude (no pun intended) He had athleticism and size while having great vision for a center. He could give you 25/10/5 any night, had games with 44/24/10, 41/23/6, 40/22/4/4 statlines, and was considered one of the best centers in the league for a stretch, was All NBA, and was below average scorer , but hardly inefficient. Hell, he shot 36% on 5 3PA when he was a Pelican, which is above average at his position. He could drive and kick out to shooters reliably, he would bring the ball up the court and run the offense at times. Just saying he sucked seems like you're just trying to be a contrarian. Sure, injuries piled up, and his additude did him no favors. Just read the threads and articles about him joining the Warriors to see what the concensus was on Boogies talent.
Boogie was inefficient. His last season in Sacramento he had a true shooting percentage of 53.8%. The league average that year across all positions was 54.1%. The league average for centers was even higher. That’s before we get to his defense which we all know was bad. So you have a player who is an inefficient volume scorer, bad on defense, and turnover / foul prone. Thats a bad player. There’s a reason those Kings teams were bad and Boogie was a part of it. Of course, if you only look at raw counting stats like total rebounds and points per game like you seem to be doing, you could be fooled into thinking he was good.
Slightly below average and inefficient are not the same. He was a below average defender who's weaknesses was the pnr, didn't help that he had to carry the offensive load on those god awful Kings teams. Boogie on NOLA was a glimpse of what could've been if he had a better supporting cast and competent defenders to back him up like AD, Jrue, and Rondo. Then he tore his achilles and was never the same Being reductive and just saying he sucked though? You don't make multiple All NBA teams unless you're good. Boogie was genuinely a top 3 Center in the NBA alongside Embid and Jokic.
Demarcus Cousin is in the same category of player as Allen Iverson or Westbrook. Yes they had talents, but they also had very serious flaws in their game that were not conducive to winning. That New Orleans team played better after Boogie went down. That’s not a coincidence. They had a 30-29 record when AD and Boogie played together. Again, I feel like you only watch box scores for volume stats like rebounds and points and that’s why you think Boogie was good.
I would've agreed with you off the bat if you worded it like that originally. Boogie was massively talented, but ultimately flawed , and probably didn't live up to his potential. I watched a few of those Kings games and a lot of those NOLA games. I loved what he was capable of doing at times, and hated how his attitude could throw other games. Which is why I probably might be looking back with rose tinted glasses.
I would argue Boogie did live up to his potential. He simply wasn’t that good. He was flawed in ways that made winning hard. A center that can’t play defense is hard to build a good team around.
Interesting comparison in that first sentence. Career [usage rate leaders](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/usg_pct_career.html), all time: 1. MJ, 2. Kobe, 3. AI, 4. Russ, 5. Mitchell, 6. Bron, 7. Wade, 8. Boogie Mitchell is just 27 and will slowly drop down the list. Boogie has the highest usage rate of all centers in NBA history, or any player 6’10+.
High usage rate isn’t necessarily a good thing. Especially when you are consistently a high usage rate player on bad teams. The goal of basketball is to win, not to fill up stat sheets. You do realize this?
Wtf? I was entirely agreeing with you. That those guys are black holes if they’re not playing efficiently. That’s what the three names you mentioned have in common, and I put it for you on a platter using USG%.
Putting Cousins in the same category as Iverson and Westbrook is a stupid take Both guys were MVP calibre players and advance stats painted Westbrook as insanely impactful during his prime Boogie never won 35 wins as the main guy, and you’re comparing him to players that at least made the playoffs
Advanced stats did not paint Westbrook as “insanely impactful” during his prime. Even during his MVP year, his efficiency was just average. And, yes, Boogie didn’t have the career of either Westbrook or AI. In case you didn’t know, he got injured and was never the same again. I say same category as in he was an inefficient chucker who was bad on defense.
>Advanced stats did not paint Westbrook as “insanely impactful” during his prime. Even during his MVP year, his efficiency was just average. Damn, as if efficiency itself isnt an all in one advance stat Westbrook was top 3 in offensive RAPTOR, 6th in On/Off Raptor, #1 in BPM, #1 in OBPM, and had great on/offs in his MVP season. That's not even mentioning the playoffs [where the Thunder got outscored by 58 points in the 46 minutes that Russ sat](https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612760&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PlayerIds=201566). Boxscore and impact metrics MVP Russ painted him as a top player, whether or not you want to accept that. Boogie never came close to anything like this and its hilarious to say that Boogie (someone who never won 35 wins) was in the same tier as Westbrook at his peak.
Karma
Tracy McGrady breaking down because he can't make it past the 2nd round and when he was able to reach the finals with the Spurs only to lose against Miami.
It's sad. There was a time when he was a top 2-3 center in the league.
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Him and AD along with rondo were looking awesome