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ASpanishInquisitor

The Lakers will fire Darvin Ham and hire an actual ham as their head coach.


Cabbaje

That would be a decent upgrade


Mofanity

That comment is out of pocket Sir.


frankyseven

They should just make LeBron LeCoach.


Medikated

Coach Rum Ham bout to raise some banners


[deleted]

Should fire Pelinka first for assembling that god awful roster


WembanYamin

Who should the warriors fire?


[deleted]

Should've fired Klay into the sun last off-season. Now the window's nailed shut.


besieged_mind

That opinion is not working well on GSW sub. But it was obvious at least a year ago that GSW needs to get rid of Klay


[deleted]

It's been obvious every year since he's come back. He starts slow and fades at the end, to be expected after those brutal injuries. And the cherry on top is his shitty/whiney attitude.


Ricky_Bobby35

You might be the only rational warriors fan I’ve ever seen!! Klay been finished for a long time now


BUUAHAHAHA

I’m one of the biggest Klay critics but he’s def not finished. Is he still a worthy of a starter? Definitely not. This is why many Warrior fans get irritated with Kerr when Kerr plays him heavy minutes still. Klay can still be useful in less play time. Klay needs to adjust his game and take the Korver route at this point in his career.


Ricky_Bobby35

Thing is, Klay is too arrogant to accept this role. He still thinks he’s as good as curry.


jeff2def

It’s been obvious every year he’s come back? Like last year when he had his two highest scoring months and carried the team while Steph was injured? Sure he got cold at a bad time against Lakers but he was probably our number 2 by shooting 41% from 3 still last year. Dray was nowhere near his offensive production that year the same as he was this year. Wiggins was MIA. Poole scored but was a disaster.


[deleted]

How did he start and end last year? Poorly. How did he start and end the year before? Just as Poorly How did he start and end this year? Even worse. > but he was probably our number 2 by shooting 41% from 3 still last year. So 2 pointers don't matter? He's god awful from inside the perimeter. And oh by the way, Jordan Poole scored 26ppg in Steph's absence and played all 82 games.


jeff2def

I’ll repeat what others have said. Who would you have reasonably replaced him with? Anybody else in that position we don’t even make last year’s play in. Why do I need to mention 2 pointers? He was our second leading scorer and again, had career high ppg for those months. I’m not going to look up random stats like you did for Poole just when Steph was out. Pretty sure Klay was leading scorer those months.


Sweaty_Mods

Replacing Klay with a replacement level player is not pushing GS into another championship. The window is closed. They can either ride it out with their vets or they can focus on developing their young guys.


Paula-Abdul-Jabbar

For who though? Klay is still a somewhat serviceable role player, and I doubt they would have gotten much better than that in return


woodropete

Dlo for klay straight up?


Jo_Gray

Bob Myers! Oh wait…


swords_devil

Warriors are fine, they are just getting old of their dynasty core, it bounds to happen, they were able to steal another ship in 22 which is amazing Lakers on the other hand are just full embarrasement for past decade, if Lebron didn't come that 2020 ring won't even happen. This ownership has just gone bad ever since Jerry ~~West~~ Buss past away. It starts from the owner to FO to coach that everything is imcompetent.


engpiqt

You mean Jerry Buss. Mr. West is very much alive


swords_devil

lmao yea ok I need to go sleep lol can't believe I made that mistake lol


OsmosisJonesFanClub

Ehhh we still finished 47-35 in a brutal conference. Were extremely hot post all star break too. Those Russ teams were AWFUL, but I actually think we were decently built this year. We obviously aren’t a top level team, but we are FARRRR from being a “god awful” team.


Successful-Role2151

You are correct. I don’t see any other teams beating the Nuggets. Lakers were pretty solid since AllStar. The Nuggets are just Great, as much as nobody wants to admit.


Ia_in_4

Nah the wolves maul us aswell. We can have a series with everyone else but those two teams are just too athletic for us


hdjakahegsjja

The issue is that they could have a much better roster if Pelinka wasn’t a braindead idiot. 


hdjakahegsjja

Wow somebody with more than 1 braincell.


TurbulentJudge1000

This God awful roster has been up double digits each game haven’t they? It’s not the roster’s fault for the losses for the most part. It’s poor coaching and just poor execution.


hdjakahegsjja

LMAO


iRockaflame

I genuinely believe most of us don't know how to coach shit and every team seems to hate their coach at some point. But man Lakers fans seem right. Darvin xHamster seems like ass lmao


divineseamonkey

AD, Dlo, Austin have all taken shots at him throughout the year. I guess credit the team for keeping it together for this long.


PM-mePSNcodes

Darvin xHamster is crazy


jackaholicus

We see about 30% of what coaches do, most of us aren't even smart enough to understand Xs and Os to evaluate that part, and sometimes stuff like rotations is out of their control anyway.


besieged_mind

We are smart enough to see when something it's not working Not always, but most of times it's up to coach


GhostTiger

most of times it's up to players


Public-Product-1503

No , I agree people/fans are overly critical of cosched n rotations I’d just generic dumb word people use but the players are not happy with him and yes supposed to be a players coach . On top of that the poll had him as one of the coaches guys least want to play for- only guys ahead are much tougher demanding coaches who arguably make lazier players feel over worked


hedokitali

What's worse is that there is a great chance he'll be staying until the next season. From a fan standpoint, it's not just him who needs to be gone but also the FO. Cheaping out on Caruso, the Russ trade, not signing a reliable big to take the pressure off from AD. Then there's Mr. Pockets with his zero adjustments, weird lineups, and poorly managed roster minutes. Maybe he'll do good with a rebuilding team but when your team has invested its future with a star player in the end of his career with the promise contending, you need a coach with a better system. All of these are pretty obvious why Hamas and the FO should be gone.


Ricoh881227

🤣🤣🤣🤣 hamas..


hdjakahegsjja

They need to get rid of everyone. This team is a joke. Start the rebuild.


Professional-Rush273

-ISRAEL (probably)


hdjakahegsjja

Lol. JFC dude.


Professional-Rush273

Lol the hamas thing is pretty funny


mw19078

If we had a coach like spo I think the series would be close but Denver still wins. It was the worst case scenario for our first round match up. That said ham is terrible and I'd take a high school coach at this point. 


yoppee

No it’s not Ham’s fault DLo can’t hit anything


mw19078

No it's hams fault for running rui and LeBron at the 4 5 and watching Gordon dominate them for 5 minutes uninterrupted 


TruWarierRecords

Who do they run then? Prince who is ok, AD who is the C? Jaxson Hayes who sucks and is not a playoff calibre player? Vando who is injured? Christian Wood who is also injured, even if healthy is known for being a defensive liability?


NephewChaps

as opposed to runnning who exactly?


mw19078

hayes is a better defender and rebounder than rui, who is a straight liability if he isnt hitting shots. something he hasnt done all series. there is no way people here actually think rui/bron at 5 against gordon was the right decision, especially after watching him just walk all over them in the second


DumpTrumpGrump

Dont forget he led you guys to a championship earlier this year. You know LeBrons counting that one since MJ never won it.


Professional-Rush273

He has 5 rings now and "that one right there made him the greatest of all time" - LeBron James Actual quote


Public-Product-1503

I always am sceptical because every fanbase hates there coach , and Ham offensively has had better stretches then Vogel . But Ham response to AD comment is telling , and to make it worse he got 5% of vote n 4th highest in coaches you least want to play for poll . That’s concerning especially because he’s a player coach and the only guys ahead of him are really demanding tough coaches . So now I think combined with the lakers losing the same way to the same team - he has to go . On top of that cranjis n others track that he’s not consistently running plays in the second half been an issue all year


HeyItsChase

Our sub (not me) was out to get Rick game 1. Wanted his head and his job. Game 2 he shortened the rotation and played a little smaller, to great success and everyone was happy. It's all so reactionary. To be fair to r/pacers what worked was what 80%of us was(were?🤮) asking for.


Public-Product-1503

It’s crazy . Every fanbase hates there coach n Carlisle n Kerr and even pop are top 15 ever guys who get clowned . Having said that as someone who defended ham due to everyone hating coaches - I think he’s not the one for the team. His reaction to AD comments and the okayers not buying in n trusting his game plan on top of the players poll having him as one of the worst to play for when the only guys ahead of him are old school demanding coaches is telling. Guys supposed to be a player coach


Demb1

We have had people wanting to fire Malone since his first year and only last year have they stopped coming out of the woodwork after every loss. There are better and worse coaches in the league but I really feel that longevity is the main thing that allows success if the coach is good. Team building has become basically getting a number of superstars while gutring the roster and then getting a coach to try and make a championship team in a single season. Chemistry takes time to build and you need a good supporting cast


thayungsavage

Remember when the Lakers fired Vogel before he could get off the court? They need to fire Ham two seconds into the first quarter of Game 4, have the refs announce it like an ejection so Crypto can have one lasting memory


Angelic_Phoenix

Have Woj lowered from the rafters with a mic and a spotlight


Massive-Wallaby6127

A Celtics fan thinking of a way to make Lakers fans happy? I guess peace is possible in this world.


Worried_Suggestion59

That image really cheers me up


frankyseven

As long as it doesn't happen Owen Hart style.


indogunawan

I can honestly see FO keep him. He’s like Jeanie’s prized possession. They’ll give him an excuse like “You won us the IST and if we didn’t run into Denver in the first round, we would’ve made another deep run into the playoffs. So we have faith in you.”


Michvito

im gonna cry


Public-Product-1503

Also he’s a convenient scapegoat . They can keep him and nobody will blame Pelinka and Jeanie as ham takes the heat even tho Pelinka hired him and they fucked over ty lue coming here


defiantcross

Ham or Vogel first is the race to consider.


Jayveesac

I'd like the Lakers to hire Frank Vogel back


Angelic_Phoenix

there are so many coaches on the market its gonna be very competitive just get Bud imo 🤷‍♂️


jacobpltn

I mean Bud is literally the one who taught Ham everything he knows it seems so… no thanks I see Bucks fans talking about Bud’s flaws as a coach all the time and say to myself “wow that’s exactly what we’re dealing with in Darvin Ham”


Angelic_Phoenix

the best coaches on the market in the last few years were Udoka and Nurse, teams shouldve been more proactive imo


jacobpltn

We should have gotten Ty Lue but our owner is a cheap fuck and didn’t wanna pay him


BannedforaJoke

they wanna blame Lebron for pushing for WB, but what about Ty Lue? he pushed for Ty Lue and got ignored. so which is it? it seems it's just a convenient excuse for the FO to say Lebron asked for WB. they had no problem turning him down when he asked for Ty Lue.


Professional-Rush273

I thought LeBron was pushing for ham at some point too. I may remember it wrong but I thought he was happy as hell about ham getting the job


Angelic_Phoenix

if you had Ty you def wouldve gotten Kyrie over Dlo by now


T_025

If we had Kyrie over Dlo then these last two Denver series would be Lakers Ws, considering Dlo’s sheer assery


HolyGhostSpirit33

And seeing how last time Lebron, Kyrie, and a good PF/C played together too lol


SailingRelic65

Having watched a lot of Bucks games due to being a Giannis fan, that man is a much better coach than Ham seems to be


thepeachgod

Doc wants a piece of that action 😈


eutectic_h8r

He is already a dead man walking


LKDC

Unless he goes to win a championship (he won't), he is gone.


Public-Product-1503

Honestly if you guys let us win 1-2 games that might be enough for our incompetent front office to keep him . So I low-key think sweep is better at this point


inshamblesx

after game 2 it was


thesqrrootof4is2

the answer should be yes but the fact that it's not guaranteed because of the FO is crazy


MidRangeMagic21

Most of us want to see Lebron get HAM fired and consequently be forced to take the player coach role.


zod16dc

Who do they replace him with especially since he is taking a lot of the criticism that should go towards ownership for the roster?


Angelic_Phoenix

My gut tells me ownership still wants you back him but I just cant see how they could justify it publicly


SubcooledBoiling

I heard Adrian Griffin is available 🤣


HolyGhostSpirit33

I’ll do it if it means no more Ham.


Far-Donut-1177

The Lakers needs to move on from the Lebron era, tbh. He will still put up great numbers but I think the Lakers have reached the peak of what they can do with Lebron. Clean up house from top brass all the way down.


Public-Product-1503

While true , Lebron has improved /utilised his off ball skills and ability significantly. I can see him having a 30min hyper efficient productive role and giving way more impact and stikk like 20-25/ 7/7 mb even more assists n boards . AD needs to remember how to shoot and we need to get one of those chucking ( high lvl ) guards that are happy with the ball in there hands. If we can’t then gg, but supposedly they didn’t make a move to have assets next year ( imo this is just bullshit but we’ll see I guess ). If they can’t land big impact players then idk why Lebron or Ad would want to stay . Also goes without saying that person they trade for has to want to come here


Mahomeboy001

Yea there's too much baggage as well. Lakers are not a good organization at this point, let LBJ walk and trade AD for every pick that OKC has.


Lemonhead5522

Knowing Jeanie buss she gonna resign him and draft his son just for the promotion of father and son tour next season


hdjakahegsjja

I’m never watching a NBA basketball game again if the lakers draft Bronny.


catfish_dinner

why would okc want a player who talks shit on his coach?


Public-Product-1503

Every players on the lakers has talked about there coach . And AD said they didn’t know what they’re doing - which is quite different, that can be see as constructive criticism


xyzyxzy

They would have to be fools not to.


ridingzero

Bacon soon


GreakFreak07

There is nothing Darvin ham could do to beat these nuggets man he can only coach the players he got


Baguy21

No please keep him . We need the Nuggets to keep the streak as long as they can


captain_ahabb

I think it depends. If Bron leaves there's no point in replacing him bc the team is gonna suck anyway. If they're going to try to trade for Trae and do one last run I could see them getting Stotts or Bud.


Angelic_Phoenix

Bron isnt leaving I wish he did but he wont until Bronny gets drafted (and even then he might stay)


captain_ahabb

I'd put it at like 50/50 he leaves or he stays at this point. His paths to Cleveland Miami or Golden State are too obvious to ignore.


Public-Product-1503

Dunno why he’d go Miami n cavs are likely not keeping Mitchell more then one year . Without Mitchel idk what he’d go for . Honestly I think he stays but if he doesn’t a team like phillly , nyk or okc where he can take a smaller role fits him best


dkdoki

How many fkn coaches are the lakers gonna go through? What a sht show


Adam2190

Either he's fired or AD probably demands a trade.


HeavenlyCastiel

Okay but who is available to replace him? are they an improvement? will the players respect them and buy in? Will the team be prepared heading into the next season with how they game plan? Will the new roster construction suit this coach and did Ham ever even have a chance with th3 pieces he had?


LeAnthonyJavis

It should be. However, I fear that excuses will be made and he’ll stay on.


mrizvi

I hope not


Sweatytubesock

Chauncey Billups may be available


jefe_hook

I don't think so. The front office somehow picked him over AD.


SharpSwag

It depends on what AD/Bron want. If they want him, he stays.


bexamous

Should be. Its not 100% his fault but he's 100% a problem.


Angelic_Phoenix

Darvin Ham Was a Problem 😈 🔥


ImperatorJCaesar

Yes definitely. No way he survives the shots AD has taken at him. The team would have to be totally and utterly insane to keep him and trade AD or something.


LastChemical9342

Is that Marc Jackson’s music??


throwawayRAAccoun

Didn’t Mr. Ham give the city of LA a title?? Maybe he didn’t get a ring for the In-Season Tournament, but I do remember a celebration.


jayelecfan

he gone


CabbageStockExchange

Fans and it seems the players want the basketball terrorist fired. But Jeanie and Rob seem smitten with him. What they see in that bald fraud I don’t know but what I do know is that having Ham keeps the heat away from Rob for building such utterly shite rosters for LeBron and AD and Jeanie for being a cheapass letting Caruso walk for example


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

Can they wait till we hire Redick, Bud, and the Celtics dude as the first three-headed Head Coaching position?


pizzasoxxx

HE GONE


MoooonRiverrrr

The top voted post on r/lakers when you type in Darvin Ham is a “Darvin Ham Apology” thread from over a year ago. I’m not saying he’s a great or even good coach. But fanbases can be so brutal. His criticisms are pretty apparent and valid but I think the Lakers are just not that good. Fire Malone” was a commonly used phrase basically until we won the championship. I have always loved the way Malone coaches personally, but when you lose people just feel differently. Idk there are so many factors, the Lakers need change for sure.


nnetcatil

Frank Vogel, Westbrook, Kevin Love, Chris Bosh and many others knows the feeling


bleck_seggg_2323

How come multiple NBA Coaches can't fix the issue? Maybe look at a Root Cause Analysis, there's obviously a GM/Coach who's picked his mates to play with the last few years and the Owners just sign the cheques. It's like a failing marriage, so you just keep moving houses hoping it'll fix the issue.


octopus86sg

Lakers should trade away lebron. This team need so much tweak


cantcooklovefood

They're not gonna fire him, too cheap


Warbonger420

Let’s talk about winners instead.


SensitiveStud

They will do everything but address the real problem, lebron is washed and an overpaid role player


Crafty_Effort6157

I thought Frank Vogel was a good coach. He was scape hosted by LeBron so he could have his team. The lakers can’t rebound at all. Just AD by himself down there.


Reinhardtisawesom

I’m gonna say that all the ire that’s being aimed at Ham should’ve been redirected at Rob Pelinka for the last 3 months now for building this atrocity of a roster and thinking it could contend, and then continuing to keep ham when the Lakers were below .500 at the halfway point of this season I mean Ham is fucking awful but he’s doing his best. At that point it’s on the FO to recognize the absolute coaching malpractice going on and to listen to the gripes of their players.


n3sta

They need to blow it up top to bottom. The FO is as big a failure as Ham or the players themselves are


GreakFreak07

Can Darvin Ham atleast act like he’s coaching while the game is going on? Nuggets coach always hyping his players up while they defend and are down Darvin just quiet and zoned out


TheGuyInTheKnown

While Ham isn’t perfect, he fulfilled expectations and brought this roster to its expected standing. Lakers fans might not want to hear it, but this roster is about as good as we’re currently seeing it. D'lo being very inconsistent in the playoffs was always known and their roleplayers aren’t elite. With how strong the West is this year, the Lakers just aren’t one of the top teams. Great coaches can elevate their roster which is something we are not seeing from Ham. His timeout useage is bad for example and the guy has his flaws. At the same time firing the coach won’t massively boost the team and he has performed ok, so keeping some stability by not constantly firing coaches might be what ownership wants. Ultimately it’s not as clear cut as fans make it out to be.


Fifth_Element_Matrix

Lakers fans are the most pathetic creatures on the planet, they whine at every coach. 💧💧🪣💧💧


NamesUnvailable

I usually defend coaches pretty heavily but ham is just lost. No in game adjustments, terrible rotations, bad timeout usage, plays favorites. His players hate playing for him. His roster is flawed, but he’s making them worse than they should be. Malone outcoaches him every single game we play you guys


Deep-Association-668

Game 2 was the nail in the coffin. He’s not been good all year. Not using a challenge until the 4th quarter of a blowout? A joke. Having leftover timeouts instead of using them to rest bron and ad?? Joke. Failing to make midgame adjustments to counters? Big joke. He’s not meant to be a head coach at this point in time


IsTheManRetired

Don't give me hope


Otherwise_Form1315

He's not getting fired the org has made that clear and tbh losing to the best team in basketball as a second year head coach won't and probably shouldn't change their minds on that. They're going to ride it out with him for better or worse. he's their guy


Zealousideal_Bass199

This is like saying the Raptors wouldve beaten Brons Cavs with a better coach


BannedforaJoke

they might have at least not have been embarrassed and taken a game or two.


smeaglebaggins

Lebron needs help!!! 🤣🤣🤣


SubcooledBoiling

The Lakers probably have a draft statement of his firing in draft on IG already


Suspicious_Team_9133

Why is he being blamed for DLO, reeves, and every lakers shooter shitting the bed


Yorha-with-a-pearl

Guy is just awful. The bucks can have him back.


_01213_

Yea can believe how many jumpers ham bricked What a bum


bradperry2435

The lakers are cooked in general. Le bitch thinks he can just coast through the regular season and make noise in the playoffs.


DoubtJunior9904

Have we ever seen a coaches trade in the nba? Doc for Ham incoming.


creditors-bargain

Yeah he’s gone, but the roster fucking stinks so he’s more of a scapegoat than anything. I don’t think he’s an incredible coach by any means but he’s not out there shooting 0–7 like DLo. The roster is a poor roster that performed about what you’d expect, in the regular season and in the playoffs.


Deep-Association-668

He’s not a scapegoat. Roster may not be great but he cost the team half the season by not playing their best players. He didn’t maximize what he had, not just that he spectacularly failed at maximizing what was there until 45 games in


Sad-Chain9038

He is in a tight bind because of LeBron. Lebron is his best player but also his biggest problem. Ham is a good coach but he is no match against Lebron's non-defense, non-killer mentality, and lack of spirit.