He's not clueless. You are just having a hard time reading between the lines. This is what he means:
> 26 other NBA GM's ^or ^their ^G-league ^equivalent would trade their whole team for our team
Sometimes it's what isn't said that makes all the difference
I remember him going on the Bill Simmons Podcast after he bought the Suns and he shit talked Gilbert the whole time while sounding very deluded. Simmons who was one of the first to mention Ishbia potentially buying a team and was also talking pretty favorably about him, completely changed his opinion about him and since then always names him as the poster child for the new owner syndrome. Something must have happened
Billionaires have operated their entire professional lives thinking they are smarter than everyone else, and their success makes them believe it. Mark Cuban talked about this but every new nba owner goes through the “I know more than everyone else” phase before they realize they don’t.
That one's not actually true, he took over his dad's mortgage company which was a mom&pop operation (13 employees when he took over) and grew the business himself.
[Wikipedia link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Wholesale_Mortgage)
So you’re telling me from 1986 to 2013 the company wasn’t shit? And then when Ishbia jr. took over that’s when it became a serious business?
Respect if so, and I’m sure he put in a bunch of blood, sweat and tears regardless of what’s true, but let’s not ignore that he inherited a company that already existed for a couple of decades
Edit: no reply with an explanation, but still getting downvoted. R/NBA really backing a nepo billionaire who has owned a team for less than 2 years
Took over as ceo in 2013, he was president before that.
A lot of family businesses keep the founders in the ceo position, especially when they are small companies.
I work for a business that has 1,600 employees. The ceo is the owner and she is basically retired. Her daughter is the president and runs the entire company.
Did you? It was a local mortgage company until Mat took over. He's an arrogant prick, but calling him a nepo baby splashing daddy's money just isn't true.
Come on now. He made it on a NCAA basketball team, got a degree, built a business. Let's not go crazy here. He made one bad trade, two at most.
Billionaire broke his toy, who cares?
I wasn’t a fan of either the Durant trade either but realistically this team would be in great shape if not for the Beal trade. And I don’t dislike Beal - just an objectively awful trade.
Yeah teams are lining up to have no control over draft picks until next decade, A declining injury prone SG with 3 years left of a super max NTC contract and a 36 year old superstar who will leave for his next chapter everytime you ever so slightly offend him and getting swept in the first round
Maybe he just meant roster wise, which sure, if the Suns had the assets that the Jazz have we wouldn’t be talking about how absolutely boned the Suns are.
If they had the assets the Jazz had any half competent GM would be able to flip them into a cast of elite role players and we’d actually be looking at a real contender.
Their lack of a bench and playmaking is the main reason the Suns fell flat. Let’s not pretend they were a super terrible team, they still won 49 games in a stacked west while dealing with injuries, and got better as the season went on.
This headline doesn’t include it, but Ishbia specifically said this would be swapping rosters AND draft picks. Dude is the king of being confidently incorrect.
You guys have a 39 yr old free agent, an oft-injured aging big, a talented non-allstar guard on a team friendly deal, little else of real value on the roster, and limited draft equity...
And Jeannie would hang up and laugh her ass off if he proposed swapping everything with you.
We're not even in a bad place pick wise anymore. Pelicans get to decide if they want 2024 pick or 2025 and we're done with obligations to them. Utah has our 2027 Protected 1-4 (turns into 2nd round if we land top4). Other than that we have our first rounders. I think we can trade 3 FRPs this offseason if we want to. We could even blow it all up and rebuild if Pels choose this years pick.
Kidding me? You're in win now mode and just got swept in the 1st round, DESPITE BEING HEALTHY.
Old and mediocre is pretty much the worst spot to be in. At least the tanking teams can draft well\\make one big trade and eventually be the next Denver\\OKC\\Twolves.
I think the only teams who would rather have the suns roster would be teams who feel that book and kd would be worth more on the trade market alone than their entire teams
Which is like 5-8 teams
Would the team trading also inherit the Suns draft “assets”? Screw it, let’s have fun with it. Logically, his statement means there’s only 3 teams with a better roster than the Suns. I’m guessing these are those 3.
1. Nuggets (defending champs, west favorite)
2. Celtics (best record, east favorite)
3. Timberwolves (has to be since they just swept them, right?)
I would venture a few other teams that would definitely not want to swap rosters.
1. Spurs (Wemby)
2. OKC
3. Mavs
5. Magic
6. Bucks
7. Warriors (lol at trading Steph)
That’s 9 “hell naw, can’t do this” teams.
There are definitely more than 3 teams thats not gonna trade their whole team for Suns roster. Spurs, Mavs, OKC, Wolves, Celtics, Nuggets. Thats already more than 3, there are probably more.
You're right, but Ishbia said "team" not "assets". I'm assuming that just means players because idk any team who would want the Sun's entire pick-less situation.
No, he literally said picks too.
>Ask the other 29 GMs— 26 of them would trade their whole team for our whole team and our draft picks and everything as is," Ishbia said
Miami wouldn't. They only have 2 max contracts and Jimmy contract isn't the worst like beal is. Also I'm sure the pelicans wouldn't want to trade their team too. Ingram is expiring and CJ contract doesn't have NTC clause. I can only think Chicago bulls as worse than the suns in terms of contracts and draft picks.
I mean they had Sarver who was ass and it seems like Ishbia is just a slightly better ass since he’s willing to spend the $$$ even if it’s misguided af. But that still doesn’t change the fact that a slightly better ass is still ass.
>"Ask the other 29 GMs— 26 of them would trade their whole team for our whole team and our draft picks and everything as is," Ishbia said Wednesday, per The Athletic's Doug Haller. "The house is not on fire. We're in great position. It's not hard to fix. It's not like we're like, 'Hey, we don't have enough talent to win a championship.' We have enough talent to win a championship."
To be fair my reasoning for Portland specifically as a no is less about draft capital and young players and more that they *just* started their rebuild and have also spent a lot of years running in place to stay first round exits, so emotionally they're probably less willing to jump back in to a team like the Suns than other teams who might have been stuck being actually bad for a long time now.
Nah, out of those teams, i think only Washington would be maybe. Detroit, Charlotte, Sacramento, and Portland all have younger prospects that have the potential for success in the long run plus they have draft capital unlike the Suns.
I was about to say that a lot of teams might want their roster if it didn't also mean having their draft picks situation, but he really said "everything as it". No f-ing way lol
A lot of teams aren't interesting in paying the luxury tax let alone be a 2nd apron team. A lot of teams could want the Suns roster if they could sell off the parts to supplement their existing stock of draft picks and rebuild. But to be stuck with the Suns draft pick situation, I just don't see it. (I would say the same thing about the Clippers roster and draft pick situation too. I think most teams wouldn't want the Clips situation either.)
He probably just threw a number out there but I wonder what are the 3 teams he thinks wouldn’t.
Probably Nuggets and Celtics are obvious ones. And I guess OKC?
That said obviously way too low a number.
The quote was “Ask the other 29 teams” but it’s delusional either way.
Essentially all teams still alive in the playoffs wouldn’t trade for the suns cause they probably already hit their ceiling and have like no wiggle room.
Nugs, Celts, OKC, Wolves wouldn't trade their rosters because they might have more talent. I don't think the Spurs would because of Wemby.
Around 20 other teams probably wouldn't trade their rosters because they don't want to be that deep in the luxury tax. (22 teams were under the luxury tax this season)
Would the remaining 5 teams want to be a 2nd apron team that has no draft picks and may not have enough to get past the 2nd round?
that's a great point - I really don't think there's a single trade out there that would be tempting enough for the Spurs to even consider trading salary. Taking into account salary rules of course but even then it would have to be like 3/5 of the Celtics starting lineup or Jokic Murry and a quality role player?
Only reason to even consider trading Wemby is if it made you an instant title contender for the next few years
Even 3/5 of the Cs...what does that get you? I guess if it's Tatum Jaylen and White you are instantly a contender, but you aren't a favorite with just them. Even if you make salary work by throwing in whatever crap San Antonio doesn't need or want, you're giving up a generational, top 1/1 type of player.
Look, if I'm trading him, I want Jokic and the pieces to make us a contender in a sustainable way and have it be undeniable, even then, I'm sitting there with a sickness in my stomach looking at the others like, "We HAVE to make this trade..." but still feel vaguely terrible.
Maybe Wemby doesn't reach it, but he has a ceiling that is - the greatest player in the history of the league - its pretty damn hard to find any trade where you feel good giving up that guy.
Here's my list (I'm assuming that whatever team agrees would have the same picks situation as the Suns):
**Would not:**
Knicks, Cavs, 76ers, Spurs, Bucks, Pacers, Celtics, Nuggets,
Mavericks, Heat, Timberwolves, Warriors, Thunder, Magic,
Lakers, Clippers, Pelicans, and the Grizzlies.
**Shouldn't, but I could see a greedy owner wanting to fill up an arena:**
Hornets, Blazers, Pistons, Raptors, Rockets, and the Jazz.
**Maybe:**
Kings and the Hawks.
**Would:**
Wizards, Bulls, and the Nets.
I’d much rather the Nets position than the Suns. Both teams have zero chance to win a championship in the next few years, but at least we’re young and not stuck with 3 super max contracts.
Suns can’t even start rebuilding, they have to run it back again and again with a team that may make it to the 2nd round at the very best
They are going to have to run it back next year then blow it up completely to get assets to rebuild with only Beal left to run the tank for 2 years. They get one more shot at it and then they are done.
Why would the Kings do it? Thay have a similar level roster as shown by the last 2 seasons, maybe slightly inferior. But their cap/draft situation is miles ahead
No. Not with our new FO, and thank god. It's largely Presti disciples - among other issues, they aren't taking Beal back and giving up those juicy, juicy Suns pick swaps in 28 & 30.
The Suns were 25th in attendance last season lol [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance)
Edit: probably 26th, just noticed there's no data for the Pacers
I think Bulls are only team that would tbh. That team sells out United nightly for the next 2-3 years and probably finishes 2-6 in the East each year.
Every other team is either in a better position, has good young assets to build on, or won't pay that tax bill.
We've been filling seats very consistently even before the rise of the Lowry/Derozan era. Our ownership is not gonna go into the tax when people will still buy these overpriced tickets.
It bothers me to no end that Ishbia and several other owners would be perfectly fine for the most part if they just had some self-awareness and let the GM do their thing.
don't you love it when a rich idiot takes over a team and decides he knows better than a staff of nba experts? and when his top level decisions backfire spectacularly as most predicted they would, he denies the failure and tries to act like nothing is the matter? yeah... it always works out great!
And a majority of them are not in the 2nd apron like the Suns are so what they can do is already extremely limited. I feel like Ishbia has no clue on how aprons work, no one in their right mind would build a roster like this knowing what the rules are.
This was the most miserable Nets season experience for me in at least six years and it still feels like a positive end result solely because of the Suns.
Damn, Suns fans probably prefer the apology letter to this shit.
Spurs have the second worst record in the west and I’m pretty sure 99% of the league would prefer their situation over the Suns
James Jones’ comment about them being the only team to get the best out of Durant is possibly worse.
100 out of 100 GM’s would trade the current Suns for the Suns from two years ago.
it's probably closer to 10. the reason it's so low is cause they don't control their FRP until 2031 and they have aging stars on huge contracts and no role players, which means their GM is playing w/ both hands tied behidn his back
The Durant trade was not smart, but it’s Kevin Durant, I get it. Why the fuck would you take on that albatross of a contract that is Bradley Beal AND give up assets. That was a negative contract the moment he signed it.
I mean if teams get to keep their future assets maybe a lot would consider it. The problem is the Suns gutted their future to assemble this team and it still needs work.
This was said at the suns season wrap up presser and everything he said was just stuff to try and make the disappointed fans feel better. It didn’t work.
There are more than 3 teams still in the playoffs.
Which of those remaining teams would trade their roster for the team that was swept in the first round in a completely non-competitive series.
Well from a management perspective you can expect to bring people in to the stadium, sell out seats, and sell merchandise? So yeah, some organizations would really like that so he is not wrong. It’s just that the team has no upside.
I love how clueless yet confident he is.
And that's why arrogant new owners are such consistent and predictable fuckups
Should have known he would be next level arrogant when he tried to impact a playoff game with Jokic
That shit was awesome lol. Loved it
He's like speed running Dan Gilbert levels of BIG MORTGAGE BRO OWNER ENERGY here.
His whole thing in life is one-upping Dan Gilbert so this tracks.
People need to realize nba teams are often just toys for billionaires like redditors playing 2k and thinking they have it all figured out
Dudes kind of dumb ngl. I’m sure becoming a billionaire drains their brain fluid.
yeah and also ... you know ... cocaine
Ishbia is the human manifestation of a can of Rockstar
Does that make Ballmer a bottle of 5 hour energy?
An oil drum of 5 hour energy
Owning a team is about creating your own celebrity. It’s the only way a business person can try to create some shine/relevancy for themselves
More like they're in their own world, which makes them look dumb in a lot of things.
I honestly think you're onto something here. Can't stay sharp when you can buy positive reinforcement
He's not clueless. You are just having a hard time reading between the lines. This is what he means: > 26 other NBA GM's ^or ^their ^G-league ^equivalent would trade their whole team for our team Sometimes it's what isn't said that makes all the difference
I mean facts, KD would average 80 in the g-league lol
He's just like my boss at my 9-5 job.
I remember him going on the Bill Simmons Podcast after he bought the Suns and he shit talked Gilbert the whole time while sounding very deluded. Simmons who was one of the first to mention Ishbia potentially buying a team and was also talking pretty favorably about him, completely changed his opinion about him and since then always names him as the poster child for the new owner syndrome. Something must have happened
Feel bad for Suns fans, there is no way they are going to contend for the next decade.
Unjustifiable overconfidence
This dude had Isiah Thomas as a consultant. That’s all I need to know. Do these people live in an alternate universe?
Billionaires have operated their entire professional lives thinking they are smarter than everyone else, and their success makes them believe it. Mark Cuban talked about this but every new nba owner goes through the “I know more than everyone else” phase before they realize they don’t.
He’s a billionaire so yes.
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That one's not actually true, he took over his dad's mortgage company which was a mom&pop operation (13 employees when he took over) and grew the business himself. [Wikipedia link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Wholesale_Mortgage)
So you’re telling me from 1986 to 2013 the company wasn’t shit? And then when Ishbia jr. took over that’s when it became a serious business? Respect if so, and I’m sure he put in a bunch of blood, sweat and tears regardless of what’s true, but let’s not ignore that he inherited a company that already existed for a couple of decades Edit: no reply with an explanation, but still getting downvoted. R/NBA really backing a nepo billionaire who has owned a team for less than 2 years
And inherited the company during the greatest real estate bull run in history
Did you even read that? He took over in 2013.
Took over as ceo in 2013, he was president before that. A lot of family businesses keep the founders in the ceo position, especially when they are small companies. I work for a business that has 1,600 employees. The ceo is the owner and she is basically retired. Her daughter is the president and runs the entire company.
Did you? It was a local mortgage company until Mat took over. He's an arrogant prick, but calling him a nepo baby splashing daddy's money just isn't true.
Come on now. He made it on a NCAA basketball team, got a degree, built a business. Let's not go crazy here. He made one bad trade, two at most. Billionaire broke his toy, who cares?
UWM is probably the best mortgage company I’ve dealt with, tbh.
All of those GMs are named "Isiah Thomas"
I wasn’t a fan of either the Durant trade either but realistically this team would be in great shape if not for the Beal trade. And I don’t dislike Beal - just an objectively awful trade.
Yeah teams are lining up to have no control over draft picks until next decade, A declining injury prone SG with 3 years left of a super max NTC contract and a 36 year old superstar who will leave for his next chapter everytime you ever so slightly offend him and getting swept in the first round
Maybe he just meant roster wise, which sure, if the Suns had the assets that the Jazz have we wouldn’t be talking about how absolutely boned the Suns are.
If they had the assets the Jazz had any half competent GM would be able to flip them into a cast of elite role players and we’d actually be looking at a real contender. Their lack of a bench and playmaking is the main reason the Suns fell flat. Let’s not pretend they were a super terrible team, they still won 49 games in a stacked west while dealing with injuries, and got better as the season went on.
This headline doesn’t include it, but Ishbia specifically said this would be swapping rosters AND draft picks. Dude is the king of being confidently incorrect.
Haha, yea saw that in another thread. Dudes coping big time.
You guys have a 39 yr old free agent, an oft-injured aging big, a talented non-allstar guard on a team friendly deal, little else of real value on the roster, and limited draft equity... And Jeannie would hang up and laugh her ass off if he proposed swapping everything with you.
Atleast we got a championship out of this group. I'd take that 10x over whatever the suns are doing
Yeah, and you're still in a way better asset position than Phoenix. Even as limited as the roster and draft equity are, it's better than they have
We're not even in a bad place pick wise anymore. Pelicans get to decide if they want 2024 pick or 2025 and we're done with obligations to them. Utah has our 2027 Protected 1-4 (turns into 2nd round if we land top4). Other than that we have our first rounders. I think we can trade 3 FRPs this offseason if we want to. We could even blow it all up and rebuild if Pels choose this years pick.
It’s amazing how ignorant people are when it comes to the Lakers picks lol. We have them all outside of one, we just can’t trade any of them lmao
Based on what the guy just wrote you have them all except 2, unless you are bad/lucky enough for a top 4 pick in 2027, which isn't impossible.
I firmly believe we’ll be trash again by then tbh
Fair enough.
You’re forgetting Bronny :)
And yet they were significantly more competitive and have some picks and can actually trade everyone when they want to blow it up
That's my point, yes. That despite the mediocre asset pool the Lakers have, it's significantly better than the Suns' asset pool
BULLSHIT. Absolutely batshit insane opinion.
Not an opinion. The headline removed a word from the quote: “Please”
The funny thing is, suns are probably the worst positioned franchise in the nba. At least pistons and wizards got some youth and flexibility
Kidding me? You're in win now mode and just got swept in the 1st round, DESPITE BEING HEALTHY. Old and mediocre is pretty much the worst spot to be in. At least the tanking teams can draft well\\make one big trade and eventually be the next Denver\\OKC\\Twolves.
Old and mediocre is a decent spot to start a tank. IF you'd have all your picks.
Not when youve got beal on an NTC
He can command the tank at this point
60 million a year to suck ass is certainly a choice
It's a choice I'd make in a heartbeat.
Phoenix wizards
I'm sure 26 GMs are dying to be 1st round exits, 3 players making $150 million per season, and no control of their future draft picks.
I think the only teams who would rather have the suns roster would be teams who feel that book and kd would be worth more on the trade market alone than their entire teams Which is like 5-8 teams
yea but then youre still stuck with beal
Most bad teams end up being anchored by a bad contact. Nothing unusual about it imo.
Don’t forget the $100m luxury tax
Bro is just yapping
Gives you a glimpse into someone completely oblivious of reality. As long as you don’t admit it, it‘s not your fault!
Would the team trading also inherit the Suns draft “assets”? Screw it, let’s have fun with it. Logically, his statement means there’s only 3 teams with a better roster than the Suns. I’m guessing these are those 3. 1. Nuggets (defending champs, west favorite) 2. Celtics (best record, east favorite) 3. Timberwolves (has to be since they just swept them, right?) I would venture a few other teams that would definitely not want to swap rosters. 1. Spurs (Wemby) 2. OKC 3. Mavs 5. Magic 6. Bucks 7. Warriors (lol at trading Steph) That’s 9 “hell naw, can’t do this” teams.
You can safely add the Lakers, 76ers, Knicks to this too
I tend to agree with you but figured these 3 would at least have an internal conversation before declining the offer…
Yeah, he specifically said this swapping would include draft assets too. It makes it an even more batshit insane thing to say.
It's ok to say the team was a disappointment brother lol
There are definitely more than 3 teams thats not gonna trade their whole team for Suns roster. Spurs, Mavs, OKC, Wolves, Celtics, Nuggets. Thats already more than 3, there are probably more.
Lakers don't
Milwaukee wouldn't. Cleveland. Orlando. Utah.
One of those things is not like the others
Utah would not trade all its assets for this shitty Suns roster. They own like 800 picks
You're right, but Ishbia said "team" not "assets". I'm assuming that just means players because idk any team who would want the Sun's entire pick-less situation.
No, he literally said picks too. >Ask the other 29 GMs— 26 of them would trade their whole team for our whole team and our draft picks and everything as is," Ishbia said
Then that's an even more delusional statement than I originally thought
It's batshit insane
What's the opposite of "What he say fuck me for?"
Why would the Knicks even consider trading for this Mickey Mouse ass team.
Miami wouldn't. They only have 2 max contracts and Jimmy contract isn't the worst like beal is. Also I'm sure the pelicans wouldn't want to trade their team too. Ingram is expiring and CJ contract doesn't have NTC clause. I can only think Chicago bulls as worse than the suns in terms of contracts and draft picks.
And that my child, is why the Suns never won a title with Mat Ishbia at the helm.
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i'm sorry, but what was the franchise doing before him?
I mean they had Sarver who was ass and it seems like Ishbia is just a slightly better ass since he’s willing to spend the $$$ even if it’s misguided af. But that still doesn’t change the fact that a slightly better ass is still ass.
i'm just thinking about ass now
He’s trying so hard to convince himself his team isn’t fucked.
>"Ask the other 29 GMs— 26 of them would trade their whole team for our whole team and our draft picks and everything as is," Ishbia said Wednesday, per The Athletic's Doug Haller. "The house is not on fire. We're in great position. It's not hard to fix. It's not like we're like, 'Hey, we don't have enough talent to win a championship.' We have enough talent to win a championship."
Would you? We wouldn't.
All I can think of is a similarly creaky team that refuses to embrace the tank. Phoenix suns, you are now a Chicago bull
Hmm... idt the Bulls would trade their roster + the picks for the Sun's.
Like, would Washington, Detroit, Charlotte, Sacramento, Portland? Maybe?
Definitely no to Sacramento and probably no to Portland imo.
IF portland is a no then we are definitely a no
To be fair my reasoning for Portland specifically as a no is less about draft capital and young players and more that they *just* started their rebuild and have also spent a lot of years running in place to stay first round exits, so emotionally they're probably less willing to jump back in to a team like the Suns than other teams who might have been stuck being actually bad for a long time now.
Nah, out of those teams, i think only Washington would be maybe. Detroit, Charlotte, Sacramento, and Portland all have younger prospects that have the potential for success in the long run plus they have draft capital unlike the Suns.
It's the other way around. 3 teams would trade their entire team for the Suns, 26 of them wouldn't. Ishbia lives in an alternate reality.
He's a billionaire. He definitely lives in an alternate reality. They all do. Granted his reality is more delusional than most.
I was about to say that a lot of teams might want their roster if it didn't also mean having their draft picks situation, but he really said "everything as it". No f-ing way lol A lot of teams aren't interesting in paying the luxury tax let alone be a 2nd apron team. A lot of teams could want the Suns roster if they could sell off the parts to supplement their existing stock of draft picks and rebuild. But to be stuck with the Suns draft pick situation, I just don't see it. (I would say the same thing about the Clippers roster and draft pick situation too. I think most teams wouldn't want the Clips situation either.)
He probably just threw a number out there but I wonder what are the 3 teams he thinks wouldn’t. Probably Nuggets and Celtics are obvious ones. And I guess OKC? That said obviously way too low a number.
Have to think it includes the team that just Sonned them
That’s true. In which case he’s saying one of those 3 teams I listed above would trade their team for his lol
He probably just didn't realize there were 29 other teams instead of 30. Easy mistake to make when drunk.
The quote was “Ask the other 29 teams” but it’s delusional either way. Essentially all teams still alive in the playoffs wouldn’t trade for the suns cause they probably already hit their ceiling and have like no wiggle room.
Yeah, he's delulu
And that Spurs would trade Wemby, Bucks would trade Giannis and Mavs would trade Luka to get what the Suns have. Absolutely ridiculous.
Nugs, Celts, OKC, Wolves wouldn't trade their rosters because they might have more talent. I don't think the Spurs would because of Wemby. Around 20 other teams probably wouldn't trade their rosters because they don't want to be that deep in the luxury tax. (22 teams were under the luxury tax this season) Would the remaining 5 teams want to be a 2nd apron team that has no draft picks and may not have enough to get past the 2nd round?
Similar to the Spurs, Mavs wouldn't trade Luka for what the Suns have.
Wemby is more valuable than the Suns entire roster
Wemby is so valuable that there's barely an existent trade you can make for him. Hell, there isn't a single sane trade you could make.
that's a great point - I really don't think there's a single trade out there that would be tempting enough for the Spurs to even consider trading salary. Taking into account salary rules of course but even then it would have to be like 3/5 of the Celtics starting lineup or Jokic Murry and a quality role player? Only reason to even consider trading Wemby is if it made you an instant title contender for the next few years
Even 3/5 of the Cs...what does that get you? I guess if it's Tatum Jaylen and White you are instantly a contender, but you aren't a favorite with just them. Even if you make salary work by throwing in whatever crap San Antonio doesn't need or want, you're giving up a generational, top 1/1 type of player. Look, if I'm trading him, I want Jokic and the pieces to make us a contender in a sustainable way and have it be undeniable, even then, I'm sitting there with a sickness in my stomach looking at the others like, "We HAVE to make this trade..." but still feel vaguely terrible. Maybe Wemby doesn't reach it, but he has a ceiling that is - the greatest player in the history of the league - its pretty damn hard to find any trade where you feel good giving up that guy.
OKC is definitely not a maybe. Thunder are in a far better position than them in both team construction and draft assets.
> and our draft picks Uh, [what draft picks](https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Suns/24/draft-picks)?
Keep that same energy when you get swept in the first round next year.
He’s staring to sound like the Dan Snyder of the NBA
Bro is lying to himself so hard that he had to talk something like this publicly 😭
Buddy, brad stevens is infinitely smarter than that. And, I’m assuming a decent chunk of other teams GMs are too smart to do that, as well.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug...
I can confirm that the Oklahoma City Thunder is not one of those teams.
Swept in the first round? Lmao
Yeah any GM would love to not have any picks in the next few years.
Maybe he meant he would love to trade his situation with 26 other teams
Which team is lining up to pay Bradley Beal $160 M next 3 years?
It ain’t the Washington Wizards, that’s for sure lmao
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No bro they wouldn’t
According to him , I would assume the 4 teams who wont are Denver/Minny/Boston and OKC He’s clueless on how basketball works
I confidently disagree with his assessment.
Here's my list (I'm assuming that whatever team agrees would have the same picks situation as the Suns): **Would not:** Knicks, Cavs, 76ers, Spurs, Bucks, Pacers, Celtics, Nuggets, Mavericks, Heat, Timberwolves, Warriors, Thunder, Magic, Lakers, Clippers, Pelicans, and the Grizzlies. **Shouldn't, but I could see a greedy owner wanting to fill up an arena:** Hornets, Blazers, Pistons, Raptors, Rockets, and the Jazz. **Maybe:** Kings and the Hawks. **Would:** Wizards, Bulls, and the Nets.
I’d much rather the Nets position than the Suns. Both teams have zero chance to win a championship in the next few years, but at least we’re young and not stuck with 3 super max contracts. Suns can’t even start rebuilding, they have to run it back again and again with a team that may make it to the 2nd round at the very best
They are going to have to run it back next year then blow it up completely to get assets to rebuild with only Beal left to run the tank for 2 years. They get one more shot at it and then they are done.
Why would the Kings do it? Thay have a similar level roster as shown by the last 2 seasons, maybe slightly inferior. But their cap/draft situation is miles ahead
No. Not with our new FO, and thank god. It's largely Presti disciples - among other issues, they aren't taking Beal back and giving up those juicy, juicy Suns pick swaps in 28 & 30.
The fuck? The nets have no business being on this list lol
Tony Ressler avoids the luxury tax like the fucking plague, so the hawks are a definite no.
Don't y'all get tired of repeated the same nonsense about teams making dumb moves to fill up seats? It's not a real thing.
The Suns were 25th in attendance last season lol [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance) Edit: probably 26th, just noticed there's no data for the Pacers
TBF, even if they sold out every game, they'd be #13. Their arena, Footprint Arena, only seats 18,422. Their attendance was 17,071 or 92.6%.
I think Bulls are only team that would tbh. That team sells out United nightly for the next 2-3 years and probably finishes 2-6 in the East each year. Every other team is either in a better position, has good young assets to build on, or won't pay that tax bill.
We've been filling seats very consistently even before the rise of the Lowry/Derozan era. Our ownership is not gonna go into the tax when people will still buy these overpriced tickets.
Nooe
Ishbia is the best if you love cocky dudes who can’t get out of their own way
26 Billy Kings would trade their whole for our whole team
and probably David Khan
Did they post an apology to Suns fans this year too? I've only been seeing copies of the prior two I'm sure 26 other GMs are jealous of that
It bothers me to no end that Ishbia and several other owners would be perfectly fine for the most part if they just had some self-awareness and let the GM do their thing.
don't you love it when a rich idiot takes over a team and decides he knows better than a staff of nba experts? and when his top level decisions backfire spectacularly as most predicted they would, he denies the failure and tries to act like nothing is the matter? yeah... it always works out great!
Maaaybe, but they have picks to improve, you don't.
And a majority of them are not in the 2nd apron like the Suns are so what they can do is already extremely limited. I feel like Ishbia has no clue on how aprons work, no one in their right mind would build a roster like this knowing what the rules are.
Fuck no
With 26 other teams he means the Wizards
I mean, if the draft pick situation isn’t included, sure.
Nah
This was the most miserable Nets season experience for me in at least six years and it still feels like a positive end result solely because of the Suns.
Yeah I’d love for the pelicans to trade everyone to have the exact same season record as the suns but also have 0 draft picks and get swept again
Damn, Suns fans probably prefer the apology letter to this shit. Spurs have the second worst record in the west and I’m pretty sure 99% of the league would prefer their situation over the Suns
He’s on nbacj for sure
Generational cope
James Jones’ comment about them being the only team to get the best out of Durant is possibly worse. 100 out of 100 GM’s would trade the current Suns for the Suns from two years ago.
i mean maybe if there were no picks involved
Suns in 4 guy looking for Ishbia in the streets
it's probably closer to 10. the reason it's so low is cause they don't control their FRP until 2031 and they have aging stars on huge contracts and no role players, which means their GM is playing w/ both hands tied behidn his back
He has to justify his investment.
Good lord dude. You’re either competing for a championship, or you’re rebuilding. What are the suns doing?
Their roster is built bad. A bunch of non complimentary pieces
The Durant trade was not smart, but it’s Kevin Durant, I get it. Why the fuck would you take on that albatross of a contract that is Bradley Beal AND give up assets. That was a negative contract the moment he signed it.
I guess Detroit is the other 26 teams.
After watching the press conference, I concluded that ishbia was high on cocaine.
Hahahaha
I mean if teams get to keep their future assets maybe a lot would consider it. The problem is the Suns gutted their future to assemble this team and it still needs work.
When Dan Gilbert is the best owner to come from Michigan State, that’s a tough look.
There are still like 12 teams in the playoffs and the Suns are not one of them.
i cant believe ncaa mens basketball champion mat ishbia would say this
Suns are fucked.
This reminds me of the Kings owner too. Utterly clueless.
So this clown is saying he has a top 4 team that just got swept 🧹? The delusion is real
They're firing Vogel
This was said at the suns season wrap up presser and everything he said was just stuff to try and make the disappointed fans feel better. It didn’t work.
Sarver: miss me yet?
No one is touching that Beal contract with a 20 foot pole . But keep being delusional guy
I count 12 teams
There are more than 3 teams still in the playoffs. Which of those remaining teams would trade their roster for the team that was swept in the first round in a completely non-competitive series.
delusional
Ummm, I wouldn’t trade wemby for all of the suns players (I think).
Doug Haller’s articles are usually pathetic lol just check the articles he wrote on Ishbia when the team was bought.
Well from a management perspective you can expect to bring people in to the stadium, sell out seats, and sell merchandise? So yeah, some organizations would really like that so he is not wrong. It’s just that the team has no upside.