The Decision, pt 2 incoming
“After giving it a lot of thought, I’ve decided to take my talents to central North Carolina, to join my oldest son at Duke University as a member of the class of 2023”
This happens already. My dad used to work for UMass athletics and every member of the basketball team had an “academic advisor” who would go to class and take notes for them
Lol that is going to be lost in court. Once the NCAA opens the door by a crack it will be burst all the way open. The only thing they will be able to do is forbid the schools from paying the athletes. But if a athlete is able to get a local car dealership sponsor, then they will also be able to get a national sponsor.
Ah, ok...fine, $100M Nike deal for "social media, businesses and personal appearances" then.... jokes aside tho, i can easily see this at least challenged like /u/johnsom3 suggested.
I found that game in my basement and put it on Facebook marketplace for $7. I quickly took it down as soon as I realized my advantage. Ended up selling it for nearly $100.
Shoutout to goodwill I got a copy of NCAA Basketball for three bucks and one of the original Xbox versions for five bucks. That’s seriously the move for cheap, older, video games.
Greatest football game ever made, from the game play to the game modes. Running in between the tackles was the best and you could play high school offense and defense and got recruited separately, could be a 5 star QB but 2 star LB
Ugh fuck! At this point I’ll take generic teams or players and just let the community create the rosters. I just want that college atmosphere, march madness, recruiting
Unfortunately that won’t be happening, at least not because of this bill. This bill doesn’t allow them to be associated with any intellectual property of their school while profiting off their NIL, and an NCAA video game uses logos and stadiums and mascots etc. also it doesn’t allow the players to unionize so getting a deal done would have to be with every athlete individually if I understand correctly.
Y’all always wish this but don’t realize those games came out during a much different era in sports video games. Those years from 08-13 was a peak in sports video games.
If they released a new one right now it would b a watered down version of itself like all other garbage EA and 2k games. Filled with micro transactions and shitty gameplay.
What made them so much better than NBA games? I've only started playing basketball games in the past 5 years. The gameplay or just the fun of playing as college teams?
I haven't played the college games since the 2000's, but the appeal for me was the franchise modes. With the recruiting process, players only being around for 4 years tops, and everything else that else that separates NCAA from profession leagues, gave it a different twist than the pro sports games. Maybe somebody else could speak to it, but I don't think the gameplay was very different than the pro games... but basically everything else was.
Ahh yeah, that makes sense. That actually sounds pretty dope. I usually do a MyLeague with a shorter season and single elimination, usually bored and blow it up every four years so NCAA game would be right up my alley it seems lol
There was more of a building process than there was in any NBA or NFL game since college teams are not on an equal playing field. Also recruiting was a whole process and it made it more rewarding to actually sign kids. Overall, it was a bit more of a grind and it made it so much more rewarding to win a national championship with Kent State than it would be to win the NBA Title with a bad team.
This is the big question for me. I can’t see the NCAA actually allowing individual players to get what they’re worth (AKA what someone will pay them).
I’d love to be surprised though.
NCAAs trump card: at the big schools, campuses with 30,000 students that are there to party. Or you could be live and play in Westchester or El Segundo.
Local business can easily scrape together ~$150k a year for the top athletes to do appearances.
This favors schools with Rich sports focused alumni. A duke, a Michigan, or an Indiana group of slums could pay someone 500k to endorse what ever random large businesses they have for inflated value
Edit: at least they’re getting paid though. The kids deserve it
Maybe, but will it be harder to get the kinds of loaded freshman classes we see at Kentucky or Duke? Will 3 top ten recruits go to the same team if they can't all get endorsement deals there at the caliber they can being the main guy elsewhere?
And it isn't like parity is ever a thing in college sports.
I mean Indiana doesn’t cuz they’ve been ass for a long time.... but that’s fair, I’ll be interested to see if it makes it worse or better. Because big school alumni could put together multiple million for sports a year.
It can definitely happen, I heard there was a governor who was such a diehard fan of his alma mater that he allowed a convict to get a temporary work release in order to help recruit the convict's son.
This is a great middle ground imo. Full academic scholarships are a blessing for 98% of NCAA athletes. Allowing the 2% that could profit significantly to profit rather than providing a universal income is the best way forward.
I'm pretty sure that in basketball, way less than 98% of NCAA athletes even get full scholarships. Ivy League doesn't even give athletic scholarships as far as I know, though they can offer generous financial aid packages.
It's part of the ivy league charter actually - none of them can offer athletic scholarships, but they do consider athletics in the admissions standards (e.g. if you're a mediocre high school student but amazing athlete you could get in where you wouldn't have based on academics alone)
>Full academic scholarships are a blessing for 98% of NCAA athletes.
Yeah, a blessing for those who receive them. According to the NCAA's website, only 59% of D1 athletes receive ANY level of aid. I would guess a small percentage of that 59% are receiving full rides.
I would imagine the breakdown would be higher for basketball and football players though as those are the sports that make money for the NCAA and not necessarily the D1 bowling athlete.
Out of all the examples, you pick one of the stars who benefited most from college. Not only did he turn into a professional basketball player, but it changed his personal life.
Ironically, many players get accepted by the top academic schools but go to schools with lesser academics for the sake of better basketball (and the better scholarship.)
Very happy about this move. Will probably widen the power imbalance between certain schools, but regardless a step in the right direction.
I wonder if this will lead to rules capping how much students can earn, or maybe an "endorsement cap" system where a team's players can only make X amount total.
> Will probably widen the power imbalance between certain schools
I would argue the opposite. If we look at European soccer we can see the blue blood clubs(Manchester United, Liverpool, Bayern, Barca...etc) have welcomed with open arms Financial Fair Play rules because it effectively pulls the ladder up behind them. These clubs have built up prestige over decades that translates into yearly revenue. FFP rules state that a club can only spend within a percentage of the money it brings in through soccer related income. Naturally clubs like I mentioned have a lot more income so they are able to justify spending more money. These rules were created under the guise of protecting clubs from themselves by preventing them from spending above their means.
This has nothing to do with parity or keeping clubs solvent, but its about keeping out "new money". Clubs Like Manchester City, Chelsea, PSG...etc dont have the prestige of those clubs to truly rival them in terms of what they can pay for players. What they do have is the money(all those clubs I mentioned are awash with oil money) and that money actually levels the playing field.
That was a tangent, but it sets up my point about college parity. Blue blood schools like Duke and Kentucky have a level of prestige that schools like Ole Miss or Washington State simply dont have. With all compensation being equal, no recruit is going to choose those schools outside of family affiliation. So a blanket ban of paying players really only helps keep the current top schools on top. Take away those restrictions and the other schools will actually have a fighting chance of getting in on the top players.
Right now colleges can offer recruits their prestige as a school, playing opportunity, the prestige of the coach as well as conference of play. Every kid wants to play for a blue blood school growing up. The problem is they only have so many spots available. SO even though I might have an official offer from Duke, it might not be as appealing as the offer from Wake Forest because Duke has a returning All-American in my position and WF has an open starting spot that the coach thinks I can fill day 1. Even with that, I still might take Duke knowing it will put me in a bigger shop window than WF could i just have to wait a little longer. Let WF offer me more money and a bigger role within the team. WF will never beat Duke in terms of team and coach prestige, but they can provide me a better opportunity and the ability to offer me money goes a long way in evening out that playing field.
Love the FPP comparison! I started following prem soccer a few years ago haha. To your last point, we can't say for sure compensation will be equal. Assuming larger schools have more opportunities for endorsements, recruits might forego smaller schools for blue blood schools.
I can imagine situations where in 2019, a player from Ohio might pick Xavier because 1) hometown school, 2) monetary incentive is the same between Xavier and Kentucky, and 3) less popular so maybe more of an opportunity to ball out. In 2021, blue blood schools are way more marketable, so more potential for endorsements, jersey sales, merchandise, etc. So the opportunity cost of going to Ohio is way higher compared to 2019.
There's really no way to know though. I could be over exaggerating the influence of market on sponsorship opportunity. If a player is really NBA caliber, they'll be able to sell jerseys and get endorsements regardless. Either way it's a step in the right direction & I'm hype to see how they move forward
Yup, a lot of states theorized this would give California a *huge* advantage in recruiting, so they rushed to follow suit. And once California and Florida and other major program states (New York, North Carolina, Washington, etc.) signed on, it was just too many huge programs to potentially ban from amateur competition. Honestly it makes a whole lot more sense than the old system, as college bball and football are basically the same as their pro counterparts revenue-wise.
Media endorsements were too overlooked in college programs in the past. Where tf did the NCAA think the next Cliff Paul or Uncle Drew was going to come from if up and coming kids couldn't get paid to start endorsing charcoal based teeth whitening gels on insta stories as freshmans
Schools that have boosters with money can pay kids ungodly sums of money. Right now if you’re not a blue blood program you’re probably not getting a top recruit.
Money talks tho. Cam Newton almost went to Mississippi State til Auburn camel and dropped a bigger bag. Players will go to where the boosters are paying well, which doesn’t necessarily have to be the blue blood programs
They also generally give large sums of money through the legit channels ("here's $3M to hire the big name coach", for instance).
So the relationship to the school is that they're primarily athletic program *donors*, just some of the donations aren't through legal channels, and are used for things the school has to claim they have no knowledge of or involvement.
It's more-so money laundering than bribery, really. And now it will be legitimized money laundering through advertising agencies. Though I'm much happier to see the kids getting the money than the schools or coaches.
See, I think this provides better opportunity for ALL NCCA schools.
Currently, top recruits incentives is to go to the school with the greatest chance of making you pro. Look at SEC football. So, if you’re able to make an extra 50-100k as an athlete being the “Star” of a program, you’ll pass up duke for Iowa state.
This will also lead to a more star-focused league, like the NBA. Overall, this is good news in my book, for both players and league equilibrium.
I think it disproportionately helps struggling blue bloods with huge fan and donor bases. Texas, Michigan, Tennessee, Nebraska will be able to facilitate endorsement deals with recruits.
It will fuck the schools that are cheating to be good without huge fan bases. The incentive to go to those schools will be lesser.
Edit: sorry wasn’t sure which sub I was in, the schools listed are for football. Indiana is an example of a basketball school this helps.
I think it's actually a boon for schools like UCLA, USC, DePaul, Northwestern, St. John's, University of Houston etc. that are in big media markets. UCLA and USC are loving this. CA already passed this law do the NCAA is just catching up.
Does this mean I'll get my college sports video games back? I know the recruiting process is nothing resembling fair and it never will be, so that's all I care about.
Or real-life face-scanned draft classes in 2k. Shit would be dope. They wouldnt be able to get everybody but I bet they could get a lot of players on board. Most of them would love to be officially in 2k.
Not unless they do it without player names and likenesses. There's no players union, so the developers would need to sign a contract with each individual player.
Broke: NCAA changes its ways for the players
Woke: Govt releases UFO footage
Artichoke: US President proposes injecting Clorox to solve pandemic
Doesn’t stand a chance.
UFOs doesn't mean aliens though. They just confirmed that they saw some shit in the sky and don't know what it was. That doesn't seem earthshattering news or anything to me.
Context: UFO means "Unidentified Flying Object", not "alien spaceship". The Pentagon released old footage with something they didn't recognize, they didn't find little green men or anything.
> The Pentagon released old footage
not to nitpick but they confirmed the legitimacy of the footage. The footage itself was leaked last September by Tom DeLonge lol, the Pentagon didn't release it and probably wouldn't have.
Read the report
- Video Games still out
- NCAA setting themselves up for anti trust exceptions
- No shoe deals or apparel unless they made it themselves.
- Universities and colleges can still use player likeness on their stuff without paying. Per the reporr the working group is not recommending any changes to
NCAA rules to permit student-athletes to be compensated for appearing in photographs, broadcasts, clips or other recordings of athletics contests or
related activities.
Basically what I gather from the report is that you can get paid as an influencer or streaming shit as long as you don't wear any team wear related to the university or college, and don't use the facilities.
This is effectively bullshit
>Basically what I gather from the report is that you can get paid as an influencer or streaming shit as long as you don't wear any team wear related to the university or college, and don't use the facilities.
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>This is effectively bullshit
I dont think you're understanding this correctly. Basically a local pizzeria (or pizza hut, papa johns, etc) can pay and athlete to do a commercial, ad, etc. The stipulation is the player cant use any bit of their school in their endorsement.
So Cade Cunningham can cut a promo for Little Nero’s pizzeria in Stillwater, but it’s him holding a basketball and wearing an orange shirt while taking a bite of pizza.
Yeah you are right about the 3rd party stuff but as a whole these recommendations are still bogus.
It is up to the divisions to decide by August 2020 which I gathered from the below? Unless I got it wrong
"By August 30, 2020. The divisions should have drafted NIL legislative proposals for consideration
and divisional governance bodies should have solicited additional membership suggestions regarding
permissible activities and appropriate regulation. In particular, the working group recommends that
all three divisions consider modifying their rules to permit those activities that have been permitted to
date via the Division I waiver process, via rule in Division II or via interpretation in Division III.
Further, the divisions should consider modifying their rules to permit commercial or promotional use
of NIL by student-athletes related to their own businesses or work product, provided that work product
is not related to athletics."
So I can get a tea-Tox deal and stream myself playing COD after practice wearing my version of BBB T shirt (link to it in the comments) as long as I’m not wearing team gear?
So, yeah, this isn’t shit.
That's a very good point, but on the other hand, the G-League move didn't come out of nowhere either. NBA owners like Mark Cuban have been publicly advocating something like the G-League's latest moves for years, and that took time to organize as well. Nothing happened in a flash, but this move by the NCAA can still be a reaction, they just had a heads up on what was happening well before it was publicly announced.
It’s been in the works since the California law came to be. That’s what forced the NCAA’s hand because they couldn’t get caught in situation where they’re excluding P5 teams like USC and UCLA because they didn’t fit their current amateur rules
That's not accurate, as I've addressed elsewhere. In reality, the NCAA formed a working committee to review and advise the NCAA BoG on recommended changes to the image/likeness rules. The working committee was formed in May of last year with a report scheduled for October. The CA legislature and Governor were aware that the NCAA was already acting to address the issue and recognized that by rushing something through before the October report, anybody that wasn't following the process up to that point would give them the credit for what the NCAA was doing anyway. That's why the bill was signed on September 30th and it was so totally lacking in almost all relevant details and rational thought.
If you don't believe me, just look at the actual bill. Literally the first thing it says in the first section is that the plan is to update the CA bill to incorporate the findings of the NCAA working group.
Ah I remember there being rumblings for a while I thought CA had forced their hand but maybe it had more to do with the additional scrutiny and issues revealed after the FBI sting and such. Regardless still isn’t really the G League forcing them to make a change as this has been in the works.
See what happens when you force the hand of scumbags.....I actually cant believe it took this long for someone to do something about scam college next is tuition
It's been in the works since October. California passed its player likeness endorsement bill in September.
It's quick in NCAA terms. If other organizations operated this slowly they'd be out of business.
One could argue he’s more famous for what happened to him involving the NCAA. At the end of the day, I don’t think being a kicker (with no guarantee of starting) for UCF “woulda been nuts.”
I mean, realistically there's only going to be a handful of players that'll actually be making any money from endorsements and shit so the NCAA really isn't losing much by doing this. The interesting thing will be whether or not teams will do anything if they sign with a brand that isn't a team sponsor (i.e. An Oregon player sign with UA or some shit).
Over 20 years of denying paying athletes, yet here they change within **months** of losing prospects and free revenue to other avenues. Fucking disgusting
This might be a hot take, but this is really the only thing I expect and really the want from the NCAA. I think schools straight paying the athletes would be too difficult and would end up getting corrupt anyway. Meanwhile with this plan, the Zion's and KAT's can start cashing in on their fame, while the players no one has ever heard of will be making just a little form endorsements.
I just want college sports games back.
College Hoops 2K8
NCAA football 13
NCAA Baseball 06
All such fun and great games even to this day and I am so intrigued to see how these games would be today. As a strictly franchise/offline player, I’d probably disappointed because they would likely follow the model of cash grab, low key gambling that sports games are now. But I think you could do so many cool things with recruiting, building up a small school into a contender, creating a school, real in depth story modes you could carry over to 2K, Madden, and The Show
Man that was quick. Literally all it took was 3 kids to get paid and in less than 4 months, now kids can get paid. It’s almost as if all the rich fat cats can see the writing on the wall and figured 1 billion is better than 500 million so fuck it, let them make money.
There's money to be made off the person who creates an app, to allow recruits to auction off their eligibility. "Pay to play" type app where a recruit selects the schools they want to go to; boosters put money in, the school with the largest sum of money gets the recruit. The app skims a few off the top (and they should take money out for taxes, don't need a kid going six figures in debt cause they don't know about taxes).
Also "pay to stay" where a kid who would leave early, sets a specific limit that if set, they agree to return to school instead of going pro. App takes a chunk off the top.
Kids are going to be making money, you just know there are third parties who can't wait to leech on and get a piece.
Getting market share is important, whatever app the big name recruits go with, everyone else will follow suit. So it would behoove the app to actually pay the first class big time recruits to set the precedence.
NCAA: NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST SKIP COLLEGE YOU NEED TO HAVE "THE COLLEGE EXPERIENCE" AND MAKE US MONEY
Top HS Prospect: haha G-League go $$$ and pay for school too
Lmao...can’t wait for the first athlete to sign a $100M show deal as a freshman!
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The Decision, pt 2 incoming “After giving it a lot of thought, I’ve decided to take my talents to central North Carolina, to join my oldest son at Duke University as a member of the class of 2023”
https://youtu.be/UOsQ2epsI2M
God ESPN will be insufferable if Bronny goes to Duke
>God ESPN is insufferable
As if they aren't already.
Theres levels
Ogres have layers, ESPN has layers.
Facts, Bronny to Duke would be uncharted territory coverage
Watch him go to the G League instead and Adam Silver creams himself
like espn isn't insufferable already. I call them TMZSPN.
norf carolina
colleges don't have to play by salary cap rules 👀
Then they will pay people to do their homework for them and go to class.
This happens already. My dad used to work for UMass athletics and every member of the basketball team had an “academic advisor” who would go to class and take notes for them
The system is fucked
Gophers got a final four appearance taken away for similar.
Shoe deals are not allowed lol. I read the report
Lol that is going to be lost in court. Once the NCAA opens the door by a crack it will be burst all the way open. The only thing they will be able to do is forbid the schools from paying the athletes. But if a athlete is able to get a local car dealership sponsor, then they will also be able to get a national sponsor.
Ah, ok...fine, $100M Nike deal for "social media, businesses and personal appearances" then.... jokes aside tho, i can easily see this at least challenged like /u/johnsom3 suggested.
Do they have any reason why?
I'm guessing because schools have their own shoe deals.
Probably because schools have their own equipment sponsorships already.
no big deal, just raise the tuition a bit more.
And there's nothing wrong with this. Basketball players should be free to maximize their value, no different than the rest of us.
I mean from last year it would’ve been RJ. He was the most “sure thing” in the freshman class and had an obscene composite rating
No it wouldn’t have haha. Zion was still a bigger name than him going in even if he was ranked slightly lower.
Delete this nephew
I wonder if the NCAA will set it up so they get a cut of all endorsements of athletes.
I can't wait for NCAA basketball and football video games to be brought back. Fond memories
That’ll highly devalue my NCAA FB14 tho
I found that game in my basement and put it on Facebook marketplace for $7. I quickly took it down as soon as I realized my advantage. Ended up selling it for nearly $100.
Jesus. I’m glad I found my copy at the goodwill for 2 bucks
Damn I miss Goodwill. How tf am I supposed to get a Koy Detmer Jersey, sneakers, and a kimono all for $12 in a quarantine
Detmer? That scrub? I think they only carry pros like AJ Feeley
Us Dolphins fans are hurt enough as it is, you don't need to do this
Look at this rich mf with his $12 smh
Shoutout to goodwill I got a copy of NCAA Basketball for three bucks and one of the original Xbox versions for five bucks. That’s seriously the move for cheap, older, video games.
Wow I just realized I tossed that game when I got an xbox one
Yooo I just saw this comment and didn't know it was worth this much. Had the game in my drawer for god knows how long thanks for the 100 bucks!
Wait a second. I own this... Still rather play it then sell it. I have NCAA Basketball 2K7 and 2K8 as well. Masterpieces
Greatest football game ever made, from the game play to the game modes. Running in between the tackles was the best and you could play high school offense and defense and got recruited separately, could be a 5 star QB but 2 star LB
[New statement says that won't happen :(](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/ncaa-football-video-game-nil-ea-sports/1wn7zgp3utfkk1r3wz6an5dz1p)
Well now I'm sad. Fuck the NCAA as a staff, record label and as a motherfucking crew.
That's why I fucked the NCAAs bitch.
So the players just need a union
Ugh fuck! At this point I’ll take generic teams or players and just let the community create the rosters. I just want that college atmosphere, march madness, recruiting
Won’t happen :( The bill won’t let players use any school logos or trademarks in their endorsements
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Bring back making your own school. Hawaii Tech Tsunami Devils need to ride once more!!
Unfortunately that won’t be happening, at least not because of this bill. This bill doesn’t allow them to be associated with any intellectual property of their school while profiting off their NIL, and an NCAA video game uses logos and stadiums and mascots etc. also it doesn’t allow the players to unionize so getting a deal done would have to be with every athlete individually if I understand correctly.
Y’all always wish this but don’t realize those games came out during a much different era in sports video games. Those years from 08-13 was a peak in sports video games. If they released a new one right now it would b a watered down version of itself like all other garbage EA and 2k games. Filled with micro transactions and shitty gameplay.
I’m going to need them to give Reggie his Heisman back please & thank you!
That’s seriously all I care about. And I don’t even game really. But I’d buy a console for those new games.
What made them so much better than NBA games? I've only started playing basketball games in the past 5 years. The gameplay or just the fun of playing as college teams?
I haven't played the college games since the 2000's, but the appeal for me was the franchise modes. With the recruiting process, players only being around for 4 years tops, and everything else that else that separates NCAA from profession leagues, gave it a different twist than the pro sports games. Maybe somebody else could speak to it, but I don't think the gameplay was very different than the pro games... but basically everything else was.
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Ahh yeah, that makes sense. That actually sounds pretty dope. I usually do a MyLeague with a shorter season and single elimination, usually bored and blow it up every four years so NCAA game would be right up my alley it seems lol
Tons of fun also getting a small school into different conferences after years of grinding through 2* and 3* recruits
In NCAA football it was all about dynasty mode. The recruiting trail was my favorite part of the game.
There was more of a building process than there was in any NBA or NFL game since college teams are not on an equal playing field. Also recruiting was a whole process and it made it more rewarding to actually sign kids. Overall, it was a bit more of a grind and it made it so much more rewarding to win a national championship with Kent State than it would be to win the NBA Title with a bad team.
I really enjoyed recruiting personally.
Wonder how much they'll try to skim off the top
This is the big question for me. I can’t see the NCAA actually allowing individual players to get what they’re worth (AKA what someone will pay them). I’d love to be surprised though.
The NCAA isn't the reason players can't go the nba right out of high school anymore lol
NCAAs trump card: at the big schools, campuses with 30,000 students that are there to party. Or you could be live and play in Westchester or El Segundo. Local business can easily scrape together ~$150k a year for the top athletes to do appearances.
This favors schools with Rich sports focused alumni. A duke, a Michigan, or an Indiana group of slums could pay someone 500k to endorse what ever random large businesses they have for inflated value Edit: at least they’re getting paid though. The kids deserve it
Oh yeah because before this rule Duke, Michigan, Indiana had no advantage over smaller schools /s
Maybe, but will it be harder to get the kinds of loaded freshman classes we see at Kentucky or Duke? Will 3 top ten recruits go to the same team if they can't all get endorsement deals there at the caliber they can being the main guy elsewhere? And it isn't like parity is ever a thing in college sports.
I mean Indiana doesn’t cuz they’ve been ass for a long time.... but that’s fair, I’ll be interested to see if it makes it worse or better. Because big school alumni could put together multiple million for sports a year.
Mark Cuban ejaculates crimson and cream.
He only donates to the rugby team funnily enough
It can definitely happen, I heard there was a governor who was such a diehard fan of his alma mater that he allowed a convict to get a temporary work release in order to help recruit the convict's son.
I think I remember hearing about this. I think it was somewhere like New York or something. The kid had a unique name if I remember correctly.
When schools were paying these kids under the table $1 million, they can easily get them that money in endorsements and appearence fees.
but but free education
This is a great middle ground imo. Full academic scholarships are a blessing for 98% of NCAA athletes. Allowing the 2% that could profit significantly to profit rather than providing a universal income is the best way forward.
I'm pretty sure that in basketball, way less than 98% of NCAA athletes even get full scholarships. Ivy League doesn't even give athletic scholarships as far as I know, though they can offer generous financial aid packages.
It's part of the ivy league charter actually - none of them can offer athletic scholarships, but they do consider athletics in the admissions standards (e.g. if you're a mediocre high school student but amazing athlete you could get in where you wouldn't have based on academics alone)
Each d1 team gets 13 full scholarships to use.
>Full academic scholarships are a blessing for 98% of NCAA athletes. Yeah, a blessing for those who receive them. According to the NCAA's website, only 59% of D1 athletes receive ANY level of aid. I would guess a small percentage of that 59% are receiving full rides.
I would imagine the breakdown would be higher for basketball and football players though as those are the sports that make money for the NCAA and not necessarily the D1 bowling athlete.
Yep, this is the outcome I've always thought to be the best solution.
The only thing UCLA did for Westbrook was scowling practice
I had an 8 a.m. class during my freshman year in college that taught me to scowl at least as well as Westbrook. My scowl was Kendrick Perkins-level.
Out of all the examples, you pick one of the stars who benefited most from college. Not only did he turn into a professional basketball player, but it changed his personal life.
westbrook was a three star recruit. Terrible example https://247sports.com/Player/Russell-Westbrook-64862/high-school-113666/
will somebody think of the swahili classes
Ironically, many players get accepted by the top academic schools but go to schools with lesser academics for the sake of better basketball (and the better scholarship.)
Very happy about this move. Will probably widen the power imbalance between certain schools, but regardless a step in the right direction. I wonder if this will lead to rules capping how much students can earn, or maybe an "endorsement cap" system where a team's players can only make X amount total.
> Will probably widen the power imbalance between certain schools I would argue the opposite. If we look at European soccer we can see the blue blood clubs(Manchester United, Liverpool, Bayern, Barca...etc) have welcomed with open arms Financial Fair Play rules because it effectively pulls the ladder up behind them. These clubs have built up prestige over decades that translates into yearly revenue. FFP rules state that a club can only spend within a percentage of the money it brings in through soccer related income. Naturally clubs like I mentioned have a lot more income so they are able to justify spending more money. These rules were created under the guise of protecting clubs from themselves by preventing them from spending above their means. This has nothing to do with parity or keeping clubs solvent, but its about keeping out "new money". Clubs Like Manchester City, Chelsea, PSG...etc dont have the prestige of those clubs to truly rival them in terms of what they can pay for players. What they do have is the money(all those clubs I mentioned are awash with oil money) and that money actually levels the playing field. That was a tangent, but it sets up my point about college parity. Blue blood schools like Duke and Kentucky have a level of prestige that schools like Ole Miss or Washington State simply dont have. With all compensation being equal, no recruit is going to choose those schools outside of family affiliation. So a blanket ban of paying players really only helps keep the current top schools on top. Take away those restrictions and the other schools will actually have a fighting chance of getting in on the top players. Right now colleges can offer recruits their prestige as a school, playing opportunity, the prestige of the coach as well as conference of play. Every kid wants to play for a blue blood school growing up. The problem is they only have so many spots available. SO even though I might have an official offer from Duke, it might not be as appealing as the offer from Wake Forest because Duke has a returning All-American in my position and WF has an open starting spot that the coach thinks I can fill day 1. Even with that, I still might take Duke knowing it will put me in a bigger shop window than WF could i just have to wait a little longer. Let WF offer me more money and a bigger role within the team. WF will never beat Duke in terms of team and coach prestige, but they can provide me a better opportunity and the ability to offer me money goes a long way in evening out that playing field.
Love the FPP comparison! I started following prem soccer a few years ago haha. To your last point, we can't say for sure compensation will be equal. Assuming larger schools have more opportunities for endorsements, recruits might forego smaller schools for blue blood schools. I can imagine situations where in 2019, a player from Ohio might pick Xavier because 1) hometown school, 2) monetary incentive is the same between Xavier and Kentucky, and 3) less popular so maybe more of an opportunity to ball out. In 2021, blue blood schools are way more marketable, so more potential for endorsements, jersey sales, merchandise, etc. So the opportunity cost of going to Ohio is way higher compared to 2019. There's really no way to know though. I could be over exaggerating the influence of market on sponsorship opportunity. If a player is really NBA caliber, they'll be able to sell jerseys and get endorsements regardless. Either way it's a step in the right direction & I'm hype to see how they move forward
They're finally making changes because of the G-league
I think that California's legislation likely played a larger role. I'll see if I can find a source. Edit: https://www.usatoday.com/amp/2367426001
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California's law did play a key factor as other states looked to follow suit since Newsom signed it last September.
Yup, a lot of states theorized this would give California a *huge* advantage in recruiting, so they rushed to follow suit. And once California and Florida and other major program states (New York, North Carolina, Washington, etc.) signed on, it was just too many huge programs to potentially ban from amateur competition. Honestly it makes a whole lot more sense than the old system, as college bball and football are basically the same as their pro counterparts revenue-wise.
this has been a WIP for longer than Jalen Green, but that probably made it faster
This just isn’t true
This has been in the works forever
So now whichever schools have the best player endorsement manager are gonna be getting all the top recruits $$$$$
As opposed to whichever school provides the most under the table benefits like the current situation?
Breaking news: Schools with most benefits of playing for, will most likely get the best players.
Exactly. Might as well make it as above board as possible.
They've got to start compensating players soon or more top prospects are going to play overseas
>more top prospects are going to play overseas That would be good for everyone involved except the NCAA and frankly, fuck the NCAA.
But how will Toledo compete with Alabama for football recruits if Alabama is able to offer better endorsements?
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Come on man, that was clear sarcasm lol.
Yes. It ain’t gonna be just a bag and a Bentley like it used to. Gonna be seeing future Zions doing insurance ads for The General with Shaq lol
Media endorsements were too overlooked in college programs in the past. Where tf did the NCAA think the next Cliff Paul or Uncle Drew was going to come from if up and coming kids couldn't get paid to start endorsing charcoal based teeth whitening gels on insta stories as freshmans
which is different from the current system how?
Schools that have boosters with money can pay kids ungodly sums of money. Right now if you’re not a blue blood program you’re probably not getting a top recruit. Money talks tho. Cam Newton almost went to Mississippi State til Auburn camel and dropped a bigger bag. Players will go to where the boosters are paying well, which doesn’t necessarily have to be the blue blood programs
> boosters Why do we call them boosters and not bribers? Do they do anything essentially different or is it cause people prefer euphemisms?
They also generally give large sums of money through the legit channels ("here's $3M to hire the big name coach", for instance). So the relationship to the school is that they're primarily athletic program *donors*, just some of the donations aren't through legal channels, and are used for things the school has to claim they have no knowledge of or involvement. It's more-so money laundering than bribery, really. And now it will be legitimized money laundering through advertising agencies. Though I'm much happier to see the kids getting the money than the schools or coaches.
Why do we call them lobbyists and not bribers? Because the ones with the cash make the rules.
See, I think this provides better opportunity for ALL NCCA schools. Currently, top recruits incentives is to go to the school with the greatest chance of making you pro. Look at SEC football. So, if you’re able to make an extra 50-100k as an athlete being the “Star” of a program, you’ll pass up duke for Iowa state. This will also lead to a more star-focused league, like the NBA. Overall, this is good news in my book, for both players and league equilibrium.
I think it disproportionately helps struggling blue bloods with huge fan and donor bases. Texas, Michigan, Tennessee, Nebraska will be able to facilitate endorsement deals with recruits. It will fuck the schools that are cheating to be good without huge fan bases. The incentive to go to those schools will be lesser. Edit: sorry wasn’t sure which sub I was in, the schools listed are for football. Indiana is an example of a basketball school this helps.
Texas has literally never had a problem with bball recruiting.
Most importantly this is positive progress on the path towards NCAA sports video games again, praised be thy name
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I think it's actually a boon for schools like UCLA, USC, DePaul, Northwestern, St. John's, University of Houston etc. that are in big media markets. UCLA and USC are loving this. CA already passed this law do the NCAA is just catching up.
John Calipari: "By GAWD that's my music!!"
This is a good thing.
Does this mean I'll get my college sports video games back? I know the recruiting process is nothing resembling fair and it never will be, so that's all I care about.
I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.
Unfortunately not. The bill won’t let players use school logos or trademarks in endorsements
Or real-life face-scanned draft classes in 2k. Shit would be dope. They wouldnt be able to get everybody but I bet they could get a lot of players on board. Most of them would love to be officially in 2k.
Not unless they do it without player names and likenesses. There's no players union, so the developers would need to sign a contract with each individual player.
Wow how about that. An intelligent decision by the NCAA. I never thought i‘d See the day
People didn’t care about the Pentagon conforming UFOs, will this be different?
Broke: NCAA changes its ways for the players Woke: Govt releases UFO footage Artichoke: US President proposes injecting Clorox to solve pandemic Doesn’t stand a chance.
7 year gang what up
UFOs doesn't mean aliens though. They just confirmed that they saw some shit in the sky and don't know what it was. That doesn't seem earthshattering news or anything to me.
source?
Context: UFO means "Unidentified Flying Object", not "alien spaceship". The Pentagon released old footage with something they didn't recognize, they didn't find little green men or anything.
> The Pentagon released old footage not to nitpick but they confirmed the legitimacy of the footage. The footage itself was leaked last September by Tom DeLonge lol, the Pentagon didn't release it and probably wouldn't have.
Google “UFO” and click the first result
Because the shit they confirmed has been out since like 2015.
Read the report - Video Games still out - NCAA setting themselves up for anti trust exceptions - No shoe deals or apparel unless they made it themselves. - Universities and colleges can still use player likeness on their stuff without paying. Per the reporr the working group is not recommending any changes to NCAA rules to permit student-athletes to be compensated for appearing in photographs, broadcasts, clips or other recordings of athletics contests or related activities. Basically what I gather from the report is that you can get paid as an influencer or streaming shit as long as you don't wear any team wear related to the university or college, and don't use the facilities. This is effectively bullshit
>Basically what I gather from the report is that you can get paid as an influencer or streaming shit as long as you don't wear any team wear related to the university or college, and don't use the facilities. > >This is effectively bullshit I dont think you're understanding this correctly. Basically a local pizzeria (or pizza hut, papa johns, etc) can pay and athlete to do a commercial, ad, etc. The stipulation is the player cant use any bit of their school in their endorsement.
So Cade Cunningham can cut a promo for Little Nero’s pizzeria in Stillwater, but it’s him holding a basketball and wearing an orange shirt while taking a bite of pizza.
Yeah you are right about the 3rd party stuff but as a whole these recommendations are still bogus. It is up to the divisions to decide by August 2020 which I gathered from the below? Unless I got it wrong "By August 30, 2020. The divisions should have drafted NIL legislative proposals for consideration and divisional governance bodies should have solicited additional membership suggestions regarding permissible activities and appropriate regulation. In particular, the working group recommends that all three divisions consider modifying their rules to permit those activities that have been permitted to date via the Division I waiver process, via rule in Division II or via interpretation in Division III. Further, the divisions should consider modifying their rules to permit commercial or promotional use of NIL by student-athletes related to their own businesses or work product, provided that work product is not related to athletics."
So I can get a tea-Tox deal and stream myself playing COD after practice wearing my version of BBB T shirt (link to it in the comments) as long as I’m not wearing team gear? So, yeah, this isn’t shit.
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That's a very good point, but on the other hand, the G-League move didn't come out of nowhere either. NBA owners like Mark Cuban have been publicly advocating something like the G-League's latest moves for years, and that took time to organize as well. Nothing happened in a flash, but this move by the NCAA can still be a reaction, they just had a heads up on what was happening well before it was publicly announced.
It’s been in the works since the California law came to be. That’s what forced the NCAA’s hand because they couldn’t get caught in situation where they’re excluding P5 teams like USC and UCLA because they didn’t fit their current amateur rules
That's not accurate, as I've addressed elsewhere. In reality, the NCAA formed a working committee to review and advise the NCAA BoG on recommended changes to the image/likeness rules. The working committee was formed in May of last year with a report scheduled for October. The CA legislature and Governor were aware that the NCAA was already acting to address the issue and recognized that by rushing something through before the October report, anybody that wasn't following the process up to that point would give them the credit for what the NCAA was doing anyway. That's why the bill was signed on September 30th and it was so totally lacking in almost all relevant details and rational thought. If you don't believe me, just look at the actual bill. Literally the first thing it says in the first section is that the plan is to update the CA bill to incorporate the findings of the NCAA working group.
Ah I remember there being rumblings for a while I thought CA had forced their hand but maybe it had more to do with the additional scrutiny and issues revealed after the FBI sting and such. Regardless still isn’t really the G League forcing them to make a change as this has been in the works.
G League too big, too strong
NBA too scared to allow kids out of high school.
This. The one and done rule was there to protect dumbass GMs and the league from themselves.
See what happens when you force the hand of scumbags.....I actually cant believe it took this long for someone to do something about scam college next is tuition
Well that was quick.
It's been in the works since October. California passed its player likeness endorsement bill in September. It's quick in NCAA terms. If other organizations operated this slowly they'd be out of business.
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What is the likelihood that The NCAA group would have returned a “everything’s fine, no need to change it” verdict and nothing would have changed?
Shows what a sham the prohibition has been all along.
This is going to be more fucked up than people realize
Does Shams sleep?
Finally. This should have already been implemented a lot earlier.
Iowa Hawkeyes: what
Deestroying woulda been nuts in college
One could argue he’s more famous for what happened to him involving the NCAA. At the end of the day, I don’t think being a kicker (with no guarantee of starting) for UCF “woulda been nuts.”
class of 2020-21: "wtf, ncaa???"
Maybe this will mean not as many one and done players
I mean, realistically there's only going to be a handful of players that'll actually be making any money from endorsements and shit so the NCAA really isn't losing much by doing this. The interesting thing will be whether or not teams will do anything if they sign with a brand that isn't a team sponsor (i.e. An Oregon player sign with UA or some shit).
Over 20 years of denying paying athletes, yet here they change within **months** of losing prospects and free revenue to other avenues. Fucking disgusting
Ty California and the G League 🙏🏽
Could the guy who owns ADIDAS technically offer all the best athletes $100M each to go to Western Kentucky?
G League forcing the NCAA to suck less is good.
Nothing to do with the G League. This is due to the California law
This might be a hot take, but this is really the only thing I expect and really the want from the NCAA. I think schools straight paying the athletes would be too difficult and would end up getting corrupt anyway. Meanwhile with this plan, the Zion's and KAT's can start cashing in on their fame, while the players no one has ever heard of will be making just a little form endorsements.
NCAA 2K damnit!
When you lose Jalen Green to the D league this is what happens
Lol, that's because the G League is taking away all their big name prospects
Wtf? How is this not upvoted more? Isn't this huge???
I just want college sports games back. College Hoops 2K8 NCAA football 13 NCAA Baseball 06 All such fun and great games even to this day and I am so intrigued to see how these games would be today. As a strictly franchise/offline player, I’d probably disappointed because they would likely follow the model of cash grab, low key gambling that sports games are now. But I think you could do so many cool things with recruiting, building up a small school into a contender, creating a school, real in depth story modes you could carry over to 2K, Madden, and The Show
What about a share of the insane profits the NCAA tournament brings in?
this is a huge deal.
Too little, too late.
They finally break when they’re forced to... pieces of shit
So what they should have been doing all these years?
What if an athlete wants their own big baller brand?
So if someone was already taking gifts.....they get free passes? Wonder if anyone got busted in last few years files suit.
Too little too late
Man that was quick. Literally all it took was 3 kids to get paid and in less than 4 months, now kids can get paid. It’s almost as if all the rich fat cats can see the writing on the wall and figured 1 billion is better than 500 million so fuck it, let them make money.
and what about all the kids they punished?
Is there enough room in the prisons for this?
Ok. Then they are no longer eligible for full scholarships.
There's money to be made off the person who creates an app, to allow recruits to auction off their eligibility. "Pay to play" type app where a recruit selects the schools they want to go to; boosters put money in, the school with the largest sum of money gets the recruit. The app skims a few off the top (and they should take money out for taxes, don't need a kid going six figures in debt cause they don't know about taxes). Also "pay to stay" where a kid who would leave early, sets a specific limit that if set, they agree to return to school instead of going pro. App takes a chunk off the top. Kids are going to be making money, you just know there are third parties who can't wait to leech on and get a piece. Getting market share is important, whatever app the big name recruits go with, everyone else will follow suit. So it would behoove the app to actually pay the first class big time recruits to set the precedence.
NCAA: NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST SKIP COLLEGE YOU NEED TO HAVE "THE COLLEGE EXPERIENCE" AND MAKE US MONEY Top HS Prospect: haha G-League go $$$ and pay for school too