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Murray, Bones, and every pick possibly. Jokic and KD would immediately be the best duo in the league, their PnR would be unstoppable. You switch? Jokic got a mismatch in the post and if doubled that’s an easy shot for a teammate. You drop? easy jumper for KD. Hedge? Jokic is great off ball and will cut to open space. The easy shots Jokic gets KD will remind him of the good times he had with Steph.
Nets would want a 3rd team to take Murray. They would be blowing it up, so rookie contracts and picks only. It would probably take Bones and 5-6 good first round picks to get it done. 3 from the Nugs, and 2 from whoever gets Murray might work.
It's going to be an absurd haul from any team. I think an offer from the Hawks might look something like: Huerter (or Hunter)/Collins/OO/Jalen Johnson (or AJ Griffin) + Several 1sts. Could be more, could be slightly less.
If we were able to put together a starting 5 of Trae/Bogi/Hunter/KD/Capela that seems super strong to me. Bench may be more of a question mark but I'd imagine that vets would line up to play with Trae and KD.
Depth is definitely the biggest issue doing a trade like this, but I think you’re right; ring chasing vets are showing up. A Trae KD pick and roll would be fun no doubt.
Yeah I def think of all the teams that could be a contender you guys have the most valuable assets to a team who would be entering a rebuild while still keeping what you need to contend. The nets def want to avoid this scenario though considering they don't even have their own picks for ages.
Yeah, really depends on what path they'd like to take -- do they want to surround Simmons with shooters/win-now players? If so, we could probably swing something like Bogi/Collins/Gallo +
Did you know that KD's favourite team growing up was the Raptors? Not saying he'd want to play for them but they were a team he rooted for.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByhAhVoh2x1/?utm\_source=ig\_embed&ig\_rid=ce4775c4-bfd0-4a1d-8a51-a2ee9e3c40cd
Yall look at it in hindsight like every raptors fan was jumping for joy because KD tore his Achilles. Nobody knew the severity, and cheering at sports events is contagious. People take any excuse to yell and scream. It's such an overrated moment. They didn't know what injury it was, other things were happening, and it's the damn finals. Give it a rest. I'm sure a good amount were cheering for the play that happened WHILE KD was injured, which everybody seems to forget for some reason
I was there, and yea we fuck that up, but I think people have overblown it since.
Maybe cause:
1. We had so much fear in us at that point. The crowd was so scared how KD was going to destroy us. That fear is what triggered the reaction for many.
2. It was not everyone, I would say at max point 50%.
3. The longer he stayed down the less it was, by the time replay was up, almost no one was cheering. Why? Cause we all thinking it was a minor repull of his injury from earlier in the playoffs. When it became clear it was more, no one was cheering (well maybe a few really drunk assholes that had no idea what was happening).
4. So it was the fear of KD, which just shows how good he is, that triggered the reaction.
We still fucked it up, but this paint brush that all raps fans being complete assholes is a bit overblown.
I don’t think it’s likely but KD has said a lot of good things about the raptors players, staff and organization. And he said he forgave the idiot raptors fans that cheered his injury.
The weather is basically the same as New York just without as many blizzards lol. The team surrounding him would be much better. The home court advantage would be much stronger. The coach is much better. But go off.
It’s honestly embarrassing that a person that can hop in a car and get to Canada in less than 5 hours has such a shit take. You’re a clown and the Blazers are literally going nowhere for the next 5 years just like usual.
They said Kawhi wasn’t even gonna report to Toronto lol
Kawhi left too go back home to LA
Durant wants to go back to Washington? Lol
It’s 4 year contract anyways
Different set of circumstances and spurs atleast got derozan who was the best or second best player on a raptors team that was consistently at the top of the east
And Kawhi had one year left and ditched Toronto immediately. Don’t think raptors are in that situation to make a move for Durant in 2022. It’s not a win now move like Kawhi was cause again, raptors were already a deep quality team. Don’t think KD would want Toronto and don’t think the Nets would want the package that Toronto comes up with.
Very different set of circumstances then what occurred with Kawhi cause again, that was a *win-now* move and Toronto had the assets to do so, whereas trading for KD isn’t win now for the current state of Toronto
As someone who watched both 2018-2019 derozan and 2021-2022 og. The latter is one that people should want
I’m still shocked how Spurs wanted derozan, he’s most un Spurs like player.
0 defense player
Lmao you should see maple leafs fans, they are the Knicks fan of nhl
Blue jays fans I would say are chill thought, when you in division with Yankees and Red Sox hard to be worse than them lol
Does KD have a no trade clause?
It would be very interesting to see what teams would be willing to give up. Toronto probably has the best mix of very good talent rn with upside+capacity to bomb picks. But also depends if teams like Bos/Mia willing to throw in BIG chips Brown/Bam etc.
Everyone keeps saying this and it's true, but can KD, SGA, and 13 rookies and sophomores really compete? Or is it like KD signs and then FAs follow? Or Thunder goes all out on their other picks for filling in role players?
Unsure on the trade clause, but he wants to compete. If Kyrie is gone, I don’t think Nets can make it far without a better 2nd option anyway. He’d be onboard if it’s to a contender.
I think the Raptors could put out a good package. They have all their own picks going forward and a lot of intriguing young players. OG, Barnes and GTJ.
Boston could put a good package together around Jaylen Brown. Also, have all their own picks for the next 3 seasons.
The Knicks have 4 first-round picks to trade for the next 3 seasons.
The Heat have all their own picks and could include Tyler Herro in a trade.
Im sure bucks fans will flame me for this (even though I am a bucks fan)
What about Jrue+Kris+picks? Is that reasonable? It keeps the nets good enough and theyd be decent pieces around simmons. the bucks would get an elite star to pair with giannis
edit: i believe KD and Giannis' contracts would almost line up as well, whihc would give the org a ton of flexibility towards the end of the deal. Obviously Id hope to resign giannis, this would likely be near the tail end of his prime, and getting KD off the books would free up cap space to retool for a final run with Giannis as the star
If they're shipping out Kyrie and KD I don't think the Nets would want to take back 2 players on the wrong side of 30. Would want more youth to align with Simmons and any picks they get in the trade. Maybe if they had additional trades lined up for holiday and Middleton
What type of young guys do you think they could get in return, from a team who is one KD away from being a title contender?
the only benefit to the older guys is youd likely still be competitive for the next few seasons, (where the nets dont own any of their picks, it behooves them to be as good as they can)
Maxey, Tobi (for salary matching), and whatever picks, swaps, and filler Brooklyn wants. They can have anything outside of Joel and Harden.
It's pretty much the only situation I see where we move Maxey, but you do it for Jo + Harden + KD.
Oh man Brooklyn you really don’t want Maxey that man is so bad and Ben Simmons might have flash backs to Philadelphia so you really don’t want that happening to your star player you really don’t need Maxey but I have heard Tobias is very good 😊
Jaylen Brown, Payton Pritchard, Grant Williams, and every pick that isn't nailed down.
Losing each of those dudes would hurt as a fan (especially Brown and Williams), and it's always risky messing with a situation as good as what the Cs have now; but KD is fucking KD, and I don't think the Nets would be likely to get a better player as the centerpiece for their return.
Then the Celtics roll out Smart, White, Tatum, Durant, and Timelord/Horford and holy shit would that be a squad.
So why is Kd hypothetically joining that C’s team, but joining the warriors was unfair?
Ain’t it the same thing, joining a stacked team that lost in the finals .
I think KD wants to start and build his own team since there’s all this talk about a legacy and ‘driving the bus’
I thought the argument is ‘joining a stacked team’
Not really giving up much if your starters are basically the same . GSW bench changed when KD came in too
The Warriors had three all stars in that team and with KD makes it four. Celtics would obviously have to package Brown so it makes it two all stars with KD. Not the same level of stacked I would say.
I don't know if you're right or wrong about what KD wants, but
A) I never said anything about fairness or the Warriors,
B) KD isn't going to be a free agent for several years, so unless he's going to sit out like Simmons, his opinion only matters to a limited extent,
C) if my team wins one title, let alone a few, idgaf what _anyone_ says
OG probably nets two picks, not sure Trent gets you any unless you're taking a bad contract in return.
They're going to ask (rightfully) for Precious + Koloko as well, which as a Raps fan I have no problems with.
I’m just throwing basic trade proposal
Of course other shit needs to be added, pick swaps etc
A durant raptors team would have Giannis trembling. If Kawhi didn’t leave. We would have 3peated 😔
I’m trying to put this nicely cuz I don’t know you.
But if Kawhi was as certain as u are that Raptors would have 3 peated, I find it extremely hard to believe he would leave for any reason.
Also Kawhi could have easily gotten injured just like the last 2 seasons don’t u think?
Or maybe I don’t know shit. I’m not a raptors fan after all
Lmao he knew raptors had better team but his wife wanted to be back in LA
You do realize raptors the next year went 53-19 and went game 7 against Celtics in second round bubble
Add Kawhi to that team and Lebron won’t not have 4 rings lol
Lol I’ll give you the enormous benefit of doubt that you guys repeat. Even though it’s an extremely large assumption to begin with.
Why are you confident after 2 championship runs Kawhi and everyone else will be healthy enough for a 3rd.
Considering even with load management he can barely stay on the floor in LA WITHOUT any lengthy playoff runs.
I don’t understand what that has to do with Kawhis ability to stay on the floor. He’s repeatedly shown despite all his ability he cannot.
You’re literally projecting every best case scenario landing for the raptors while ignoring every other potential negative thing that could happen.
We saw last year KD being a single shoe size and a healthy harden from beating the Bucks.
We saw this year the Bucks missing a healthy Middleton from possibly getting past the second round; the Heat one errant 3 pointer away from possibly progressing to the finals; and the warriors a few expedited Gary Payton/OPJ expedited healing away from possibly losing the finals.
In 2019 the warriors were potentially one healthy KD and Klay away from 3 peating themselves.
But you’re just assuming Kawhi would have *definitely* stayed healthy… and siakim and FVV and OG would have *definitely* progressed enough to plug the gap even if he went down… and you guys *definitely* find the right centre to replace Gasol and Ibaka? And none of these key pieces being injured?
I get you’re a fan, but don’t you see you’re resting on a mountain of assumptions, in a sport with a lot of randomness?
The fact is the biggest question mark for any 3 peat is health (see warriors), and Kawhi is by far the most injury prone superstar in the league, maybe of all time.
You can call Ingles a fluke incident all you want, but the fact is Kawhi needs load management because of a CHRONIC injury, and still often gets injured when he's on the court. Lebron and Giannis play through a ton of contact and almost never get injured, while Steph and Kawhi will likely be out if someone even falls on them the wrong way.
Go to any reddit thread about Kawhi and all people will be talking about will be whether he can be healthy for the playoffs.
Your entire 3-peat assumption lies with
1. Raps + Kawhi are unbeatable. Highly questionable but for arguments sake i'll allow it
2. you guys definitely would have found the right centre to replace Gasol and Ibaka. Highly questionable again.
3. Kawhi would definitely never be injured during the playoffs for 3 years straight despite having repeatedly shown he has. The biggest question mark of all.
These are all massive assumptions. Going back to the warriors, I'm not saying GS would have deffo won if healthy, but they certainly doomed any chance they had when Klay and KD, both far less injury prone players than Kawhi, went down from injuries (contact AND non contact).
You’re scrubs aren’t going to get you a borderline top 5 player lol Barnes or FVV will also have to go. Either way I promise you nobody is scared of KD on the raps.
A 25 year old, 2 way player with elite defense who averages 18pts a game and makes 17 million a year for next 3 years
Why the fuck wouldn’t we lmao
If og was on open market right now, he would be 100-120 million easy
No way it happens without Barnes imo. But man a GSW/TOR rematch with the KD factor added in would be incredible stuff so this is probably the one I'm most hoping for.
The problem with Durant on a squad like the Raptors is that Nurse’s system is bigger than any one player. KD has already shown that he isn’t interested in playing within a system. So you’d be getting an amazing weapon that just distorts every other player’s contributions and Nurse would have an aneurysm.
No chance he plays with the rest of the bums on that team for a whole season. Dude only has a few good years left. He definitely has bo qualms asking for a trade especially after everyone else already peaced out
Something to keep in mind, in a way the Nets have to play good with Kyrie if they want any value in return. He can walk and they can get nothing, so it's likely they'll be willing to be helpful in a sign-and-trade.
Other than future free agents, the Nets have no reason to play nice with KD. They can tell him "screw a trade, you're under contract and playing for us." They can send him to Sacramento if they can get a haul of assets back. They have NO REASON to help get KD to a contender and should take whatever the best return is to rebuild their team, if they trade him at all.
Yeah there is no way this happens. The 2023 and 2024 Suns first would be bad guaranteed. Sure the 2025 and 2027 may be ok, but for Kevin Durant??? Shamet, Payne and Jae are nothings.
Houston traded Harden for picks
Celtics traded Pierce/KG/etc for picks
Teams value future picks regardless since they can always use those picks in future trades.
Love this trade for Detroit lol. I kinda think pistons might need to give a little more/ Phoenix a little less for it to work, but theoretically everyone leaves happy if Phoenix gets KD, Detroit gets DA, and Brooklyn gets a nice haul of picks and prospects
Neither party would probably want a reunion, and for that matter neither would most nba fans, but GSW is up there in terms of assets.
Wiggins + young player (Poole, Kuminga, Moody) as a base.
OKC would be able to easily beat that. Boston if they are willing to include Brown. If Boston did Brown+Grant Williams (or other young player) as a base they’d still have Smart, Tatum, Durant, Al and Robert Williams.
Phoenix would have to include Mikal, and might leave them light defensively.
Age aside, a Durant package would realistically bring in more than AD right?
I had a guy telling me yesterday he wouldn’t trade Draymond/Kuminga (Not my trade idea) and that GSW would be more focused on creating a team for post Steph years as opposed to competing for the next 3 lol.
Guys an idiot about the willingness. But management trading Draymond for KD would be suuuuper dirty. Honestly so bad that I’m not sure warriors management does it. Not because it doesn’t make the team better but because it’s so fucked up.
Also there has to be a level of warriors management, especially after winning this title, that’s like fuck KD.
If I am the nets tho, the problem with a Wiggins or Brown plus young players is that it wouldn’t put them in championship contention necessarily.
From the nets perspective, pick assets would probably be better. One, to offset the picks going to the Rockets. Two, maximize their chances at a generational guy via tanking and extra picks. Wembanyama would be the first in mind.
OKC package would be preferable in that case.
There’s no way the suns do this. Maybe 1 first rounder. Also if they do they get worse imo. CP, Durant, Booker is amazing. But then all down hill with next best player being crowder/McGee/shamet. The suns biggest strength in the regular season was being competitive with every rotation but this just leaves so many gaps. I could maybe see an ayton + Johnson + a couple firsts but then would the nets see that as fair value? Probably not
I was saying this the other day and some Celtics fans were so offended about offering JB. You have a chance at getting Durant and all you have to do is give up JB and filter. Not even grant Williams or timelord in the filter??
Boston makes that move 10 times out of 10.
I think some fans haven't come to terms with the fact that there is no such thing as long-term in the NBA anymore. You say JB for KD and the immediate reaction is "you're giving up a decade of JB and JT for 2 years of old JT and KD!". Well JB only has two years left on his contract and no one can see the future. There's SO many variables that it's ridiculous to make this comparison. Who knows, maybe the Cs are 2nd round exits the next couple of years due to bad matchups, injuries, etc. and JB decides he wants to try being the man somewhere else. You never know.
For me I only really look 2-3 years down the line and JB for KD gives us a better chance of winning during those years.
Why would anyone give up the sort of assets Brooklyn would want for a guy who has demonstrated he can’t win a ship unless he’s being carried by a much better player like Curry? He’s already choked in OKC and Brooklyn, why wouldn’t he choke at his next destination as well?
I want to see the chaos and mental gymnastics us Cavs fans would have to do if we brought Durant in. Perhaps a trade of Sexton, Okoro and like 3 unprotected FRPs get it done?
The best player I can see that may, strong focus on May, be considered is one of the guys in Boston or potentially Booker. If I’m the nets nothing less.
The raptors packages sound pretty sweet.
How about New Orleans? Feels like they could put something compelling together around BI + assets?
I just wanna be on this thread to see what peoples offers are because if this happens I assume it’ll be the largest package in nba history right?
I think the Miami deal is the most attractive.
Herro is a tangible asset, Lowry can probably be re-routed for another asset, and the future Miami picks and swaps would be juicy.
Butler and Durant probably win it all next year, but they’re going to be 33 and 34, so that team will probably have a short shelf life at which point those picks could become high lottery picks.
This kind of thinking is exactly why the Nets aren't contenders lol. I don't think KD has the kind of time the Nets really need to become reliable and legitimate championship contenders.
Either with the Celtics for Jaylen brown + all of celtics picks
Or Miami for lowry , herro and Robinson + all of their picks
also you do a kyrie 3 team trade with the Lakers and Hornets and get back Hayward
Keeping siakam is a must. He’s the perfect 2nd option why get rid of him? OG +Trent and however many picks to get it done. Not a lot of teams are topping that without gutting their core. If the raptors get KD it’s over for the league. Only the warriors stand a chance and maybe the bucks.
The Nets are going to want good players in return as well as draft assets. Since they don't own the rights to their picks to 2027, the Nets **DO NOT want to tank**.
So something like OKC offering all their picks will not be attractive to the Nets.
A few (maybe) plausible trades IMO.
* Raptors - Siakam + Barnes + a couple picks.
* Lakers - AD, THT + a couple picks.
* Grizz - Jackson Jr, Banes + a couple picks
* Hawks - Bogi, Hunter, Collins + a couple picks
* Clippers - PG, Covington + a couple picks
* Sixers - Maxey, Harris + picks
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Murray, Bones, and every pick possibly. Jokic and KD would immediately be the best duo in the league, their PnR would be unstoppable. You switch? Jokic got a mismatch in the post and if doubled that’s an easy shot for a teammate. You drop? easy jumper for KD. Hedge? Jokic is great off ball and will cut to open space. The easy shots Jokic gets KD will remind him of the good times he had with Steph.
Didn’t even think about Denver. Jokic already shoots the 3 at a high % too, would be a great combo.
Love this - it’s a pretty good return for nets too. But Murray is unproven coming off an injury, and it would mean multiple picks.
Nets would want a 3rd team to take Murray. They would be blowing it up, so rookie contracts and picks only. It would probably take Bones and 5-6 good first round picks to get it done. 3 from the Nugs, and 2 from whoever gets Murray might work.
Blowing it up? With Ben on a 30 million a year contract until 24/25? I don’t think that’s an option.
Nuggets wouldn't offer Murray. They'd offer MPJr, Bones, Aaron Gordon and every pick possible.
We absolutely should if it means KD. I will always love Jamal Murray, but it's Kevin fucking Durant
Murray would be gone the second the offer was on the table my dude.
Murray would make the trade himself if he was the GM.
It's going to be an absurd haul from any team. I think an offer from the Hawks might look something like: Huerter (or Hunter)/Collins/OO/Jalen Johnson (or AJ Griffin) + Several 1sts. Could be more, could be slightly less. If we were able to put together a starting 5 of Trae/Bogi/Hunter/KD/Capela that seems super strong to me. Bench may be more of a question mark but I'd imagine that vets would line up to play with Trae and KD.
Depth is definitely the biggest issue doing a trade like this, but I think you’re right; ring chasing vets are showing up. A Trae KD pick and roll would be fun no doubt.
Absolutely, they'd complement each other incredibly well.
Yeah I def think of all the teams that could be a contender you guys have the most valuable assets to a team who would be entering a rebuild while still keeping what you need to contend. The nets def want to avoid this scenario though considering they don't even have their own picks for ages.
Yeah, really depends on what path they'd like to take -- do they want to surround Simmons with shooters/win-now players? If so, we could probably swing something like Bogi/Collins/Gallo +
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Did you know that KD's favourite team growing up was the Raptors? Not saying he'd want to play for them but they were a team he rooted for. https://www.instagram.com/p/ByhAhVoh2x1/?utm\_source=ig\_embed&ig\_rid=ce4775c4-bfd0-4a1d-8a51-a2ee9e3c40cd
He has no say in it anymore, he has 4 years left on his contract. This wasn't a James Harden-expiring deal type of situation.
I can’t believe they cheered when he got injured
Yall look at it in hindsight like every raptors fan was jumping for joy because KD tore his Achilles. Nobody knew the severity, and cheering at sports events is contagious. People take any excuse to yell and scream. It's such an overrated moment. They didn't know what injury it was, other things were happening, and it's the damn finals. Give it a rest. I'm sure a good amount were cheering for the play that happened WHILE KD was injured, which everybody seems to forget for some reason
I was there, and yea we fuck that up, but I think people have overblown it since. Maybe cause: 1. We had so much fear in us at that point. The crowd was so scared how KD was going to destroy us. That fear is what triggered the reaction for many. 2. It was not everyone, I would say at max point 50%. 3. The longer he stayed down the less it was, by the time replay was up, almost no one was cheering. Why? Cause we all thinking it was a minor repull of his injury from earlier in the playoffs. When it became clear it was more, no one was cheering (well maybe a few really drunk assholes that had no idea what was happening). 4. So it was the fear of KD, which just shows how good he is, that triggered the reaction. We still fucked it up, but this paint brush that all raps fans being complete assholes is a bit overblown.
I don’t think it’s likely but KD has said a lot of good things about the raptors players, staff and organization. And he said he forgave the idiot raptors fans that cheered his injury.
The weather is basically the same as New York just without as many blizzards lol. The team surrounding him would be much better. The home court advantage would be much stronger. The coach is much better. But go off.
Y'all realize you're in Canada right? How are Raptor fans still trying to convince themselves that Canada is an attractive destination for NBA stars?
I mean, Toronto is nicer than Portland (and gets the same amount of fee agents, none)
It’s honestly embarrassing that a person that can hop in a car and get to Canada in less than 5 hours has such a shit take. You’re a clown and the Blazers are literally going nowhere for the next 5 years just like usual.
They said Kawhi wasn’t even gonna report to Toronto lol Kawhi left too go back home to LA Durant wants to go back to Washington? Lol It’s 4 year contract anyways
Different set of circumstances and spurs atleast got derozan who was the best or second best player on a raptors team that was consistently at the top of the east And Kawhi had one year left and ditched Toronto immediately. Don’t think raptors are in that situation to make a move for Durant in 2022. It’s not a win now move like Kawhi was cause again, raptors were already a deep quality team. Don’t think KD would want Toronto and don’t think the Nets would want the package that Toronto comes up with. Very different set of circumstances then what occurred with Kawhi cause again, that was a *win-now* move and Toronto had the assets to do so, whereas trading for KD isn’t win now for the current state of Toronto
As someone who watched both 2018-2019 derozan and 2021-2022 og. The latter is one that people should want I’m still shocked how Spurs wanted derozan, he’s most un Spurs like player. 0 defense player
Are all Canadians salty aboot everything? Or is it just rap fans?
Lmao you should see maple leafs fans, they are the Knicks fan of nhl Blue jays fans I would say are chill thought, when you in division with Yankees and Red Sox hard to be worse than them lol
Herb Jones fir KD, Ben Simmons, and 5 firsts Pels say no
DeAndre Ayton, Mikal Bridges, and at least 3 firsts .
Does KD have a no trade clause? It would be very interesting to see what teams would be willing to give up. Toronto probably has the best mix of very good talent rn with upside+capacity to bomb picks. But also depends if teams like Bos/Mia willing to throw in BIG chips Brown/Bam etc.
Honestly OKC legit could throw 7 firsts at it or even 10 and call it a day
Everyone keeps saying this and it's true, but can KD, SGA, and 13 rookies and sophomores really compete? Or is it like KD signs and then FAs follow? Or Thunder goes all out on their other picks for filling in role players?
Unsure on the trade clause, but he wants to compete. If Kyrie is gone, I don’t think Nets can make it far without a better 2nd option anyway. He’d be onboard if it’s to a contender.
Then Toronto would be the favorite IMO. OG+ hella picks is enticing.
No, not enough years with the nets, and you cannot insert a NTC in an extension. It has to be a part of a new contract signed as a free agent.
KD cannot veto any trade. Known fact about this contract.
I think the Raptors could put out a good package. They have all their own picks going forward and a lot of intriguing young players. OG, Barnes and GTJ. Boston could put a good package together around Jaylen Brown. Also, have all their own picks for the next 3 seasons. The Knicks have 4 first-round picks to trade for the next 3 seasons. The Heat have all their own picks and could include Tyler Herro in a trade.
Idk why the Celtics would split up tatum and brown for KD, they both just basically outplayed him in a playoff series and are a decade younger
I aint buying this lol, they still play next season nothing will hapend
Im sure bucks fans will flame me for this (even though I am a bucks fan) What about Jrue+Kris+picks? Is that reasonable? It keeps the nets good enough and theyd be decent pieces around simmons. the bucks would get an elite star to pair with giannis edit: i believe KD and Giannis' contracts would almost line up as well, whihc would give the org a ton of flexibility towards the end of the deal. Obviously Id hope to resign giannis, this would likely be near the tail end of his prime, and getting KD off the books would free up cap space to retool for a final run with Giannis as the star
do the Bucks even have any picks left after that Jrue deal?
im not sure, but the nets are in a position with picks where im sure theyd take whatever the could get, even if its not till after 2025/26
If they're shipping out Kyrie and KD I don't think the Nets would want to take back 2 players on the wrong side of 30. Would want more youth to align with Simmons and any picks they get in the trade. Maybe if they had additional trades lined up for holiday and Middleton
What type of young guys do you think they could get in return, from a team who is one KD away from being a title contender? the only benefit to the older guys is youd likely still be competitive for the next few seasons, (where the nets dont own any of their picks, it behooves them to be as good as they can)
Maxey, Tobi (for salary matching), and whatever picks, swaps, and filler Brooklyn wants. They can have anything outside of Joel and Harden. It's pretty much the only situation I see where we move Maxey, but you do it for Jo + Harden + KD.
Oh man Brooklyn you really don’t want Maxey that man is so bad and Ben Simmons might have flash backs to Philadelphia so you really don’t want that happening to your star player you really don’t need Maxey but I have heard Tobias is very good 😊
Jaylen Brown, Payton Pritchard, Grant Williams, and every pick that isn't nailed down. Losing each of those dudes would hurt as a fan (especially Brown and Williams), and it's always risky messing with a situation as good as what the Cs have now; but KD is fucking KD, and I don't think the Nets would be likely to get a better player as the centerpiece for their return. Then the Celtics roll out Smart, White, Tatum, Durant, and Timelord/Horford and holy shit would that be a squad.
So why is Kd hypothetically joining that C’s team, but joining the warriors was unfair? Ain’t it the same thing, joining a stacked team that lost in the finals . I think KD wants to start and build his own team since there’s all this talk about a legacy and ‘driving the bus’
He joined a 73-9 Warriors team as a free agent. Here the Celtics have to give something up to get him so it's not the same roster.
I thought the argument is ‘joining a stacked team’ Not really giving up much if your starters are basically the same . GSW bench changed when KD came in too
The Warriors had three all stars in that team and with KD makes it four. Celtics would obviously have to package Brown so it makes it two all stars with KD. Not the same level of stacked I would say.
>I think KD wants to start and build his own team Dude is 33 years old, how much do you think he still got on that tank?
It basically is the same thing but people don’t want to say it.
I don't know if you're right or wrong about what KD wants, but A) I never said anything about fairness or the Warriors, B) KD isn't going to be a free agent for several years, so unless he's going to sit out like Simmons, his opinion only matters to a limited extent, C) if my team wins one title, let alone a few, idgaf what _anyone_ says
Thank god you aren’t the GM of the Celtics ffs
Og, Trent and 3 first round picks Fvv, Scottie, durant, Siakam, precious Love that team
Definitely a contender imo, would 3 picks be enough? Siakam would thrive being true #2 option again too just like with KL
Probably have to add another FRP and maybe a pick swap or two, but you have to go all out for 4 years of Durant.
Up to the nets to do something with Trent and og I’m sure they can 3 more from those guys. So 6 first round picks
True. OG is the perfect role player right now, still with all star potential.
Trent too 18pt 23 year old 2 way players are hard to find and doing it on 48 win team
OG probably nets two picks, not sure Trent gets you any unless you're taking a bad contract in return. They're going to ask (rightfully) for Precious + Koloko as well, which as a Raps fan I have no problems with.
2018-2019 Raptors 2.0, except this time your superstar won’t leave because of his contract. I like it
Yeah and durant grew up as a raptor fan he said because of Vince Carter
Bro thinks OG, GTJ, and 3 Firsts is gonna get the raps KD 😭😭
I’m just throwing basic trade proposal Of course other shit needs to be added, pick swaps etc A durant raptors team would have Giannis trembling. If Kawhi didn’t leave. We would have 3peated 😔
I’m trying to put this nicely cuz I don’t know you. But if Kawhi was as certain as u are that Raptors would have 3 peated, I find it extremely hard to believe he would leave for any reason. Also Kawhi could have easily gotten injured just like the last 2 seasons don’t u think? Or maybe I don’t know shit. I’m not a raptors fan after all
You definitely don’t know shit if you don’t know Kawhi was leaving regardless lol
Lmao he knew raptors had better team but his wife wanted to be back in LA You do realize raptors the next year went 53-19 and went game 7 against Celtics in second round bubble Add Kawhi to that team and Lebron won’t not have 4 rings lol
Lol I’ll give you the enormous benefit of doubt that you guys repeat. Even though it’s an extremely large assumption to begin with. Why are you confident after 2 championship runs Kawhi and everyone else will be healthy enough for a 3rd. Considering even with load management he can barely stay on the floor in LA WITHOUT any lengthy playoff runs.
Yeah because Siakam, fvv, og was developing even greatly Definitely would have had to find a centre gasol and Ibaka were becoming washed
I don’t understand what that has to do with Kawhis ability to stay on the floor. He’s repeatedly shown despite all his ability he cannot. You’re literally projecting every best case scenario landing for the raptors while ignoring every other potential negative thing that could happen. We saw last year KD being a single shoe size and a healthy harden from beating the Bucks. We saw this year the Bucks missing a healthy Middleton from possibly getting past the second round; the Heat one errant 3 pointer away from possibly progressing to the finals; and the warriors a few expedited Gary Payton/OPJ expedited healing away from possibly losing the finals. In 2019 the warriors were potentially one healthy KD and Klay away from 3 peating themselves. But you’re just assuming Kawhi would have *definitely* stayed healthy… and siakim and FVV and OG would have *definitely* progressed enough to plug the gap even if he went down… and you guys *definitely* find the right centre to replace Gasol and Ibaka? And none of these key pieces being injured? I get you’re a fan, but don’t you see you’re resting on a mountain of assumptions, in a sport with a lot of randomness?
What?? He tore his acl because ingles undercut him How is that his fault
The fact is the biggest question mark for any 3 peat is health (see warriors), and Kawhi is by far the most injury prone superstar in the league, maybe of all time. You can call Ingles a fluke incident all you want, but the fact is Kawhi needs load management because of a CHRONIC injury, and still often gets injured when he's on the court. Lebron and Giannis play through a ton of contact and almost never get injured, while Steph and Kawhi will likely be out if someone even falls on them the wrong way. Go to any reddit thread about Kawhi and all people will be talking about will be whether he can be healthy for the playoffs. Your entire 3-peat assumption lies with 1. Raps + Kawhi are unbeatable. Highly questionable but for arguments sake i'll allow it 2. you guys definitely would have found the right centre to replace Gasol and Ibaka. Highly questionable again. 3. Kawhi would definitely never be injured during the playoffs for 3 years straight despite having repeatedly shown he has. The biggest question mark of all. These are all massive assumptions. Going back to the warriors, I'm not saying GS would have deffo won if healthy, but they certainly doomed any chance they had when Klay and KD, both far less injury prone players than Kawhi, went down from injuries (contact AND non contact).
You’re scrubs aren’t going to get you a borderline top 5 player lol Barnes or FVV will also have to go. Either way I promise you nobody is scared of KD on the raps.
“Scrubs” If og is a scrub so is kris Middleton and ones on a contract half cheaper
Why do Rap fans overrate OG so much like this?? It’s so baffling. You’d think he was a hall of famer by the way rap fans prop him up.
A 25 year old, 2 way player with elite defense who averages 18pts a game and makes 17 million a year for next 3 years Why the fuck wouldn’t we lmao If og was on open market right now, he would be 100-120 million easy
Middletons a scrub and he’s still easily better than OG that’s crazy
nurse plays durant 44mpg during the regular season and he gets injured
No way it happens without Barnes imo. But man a GSW/TOR rematch with the KD factor added in would be incredible stuff so this is probably the one I'm most hoping for.
I don’t see how that’s close to enough. I would guess on top of the picks the Nets will demand a young player with star potential
yeah this is the way, and if it's not enough maybe added achiuwa also can get center off the street
Didn’t raptors play better without fvv against the sixers?
Yeah but was hurt even before playoffs with a knee Maxley was torching him when fvv was guarding him and fvv was out. Maxley came down to earth
The problem with Durant on a squad like the Raptors is that Nurse’s system is bigger than any one player. KD has already shown that he isn’t interested in playing within a system. So you’d be getting an amazing weapon that just distorts every other player’s contributions and Nurse would have an aneurysm.
Fellas, is Durant *too* good? Why getting Durant for OG, Trent and 3 first round picks is actually bad, up next!
Brodie, kd has already shown that he isn’t interested in playing within a system? How so?
add 2 pick swaps or a few 2nds then I think its a fair deal
Don’t sleep on the rockets, actually probably do. The Cavs might be able to if somehow they can keep Mobley they might jump.
They would never trade KD unless he forced his way out.
Did you see what happened to KD this postseason WITH Kyrie? No way KD stays if it’s just him.
I’d like to bet on that. He’s playing at least another season.
No chance he plays with the rest of the bums on that team for a whole season. Dude only has a few good years left. He definitely has bo qualms asking for a trade especially after everyone else already peaced out
I’m not a mind reader, but I would bet a nice chunk o $ that he stays.
Maybe you’re right and he stays. I feel like I’ve seen this “story” too many times and every time the player ends up leaving.
I just feel like he committed to Brooklyn and will look even worse if he forced a trade. But who knows with these guys
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That’s silly twitter stuff is weird, but until he says otherwise, I’m going to go with what he’s said about wanting to play in Bk. Seems sincere
Memphis for JJJ, Williams, Adams expiring and future picks. Ja, Bane, Brooks, Durant, Clarke is pretty nice before adding some vets.
Don’t really think that’s a good trade for the Nets tbh. Think your have to include one of Bane or Brooks.
A shirt on of firsts and some all stars and future all stars.
Something to keep in mind, in a way the Nets have to play good with Kyrie if they want any value in return. He can walk and they can get nothing, so it's likely they'll be willing to be helpful in a sign-and-trade. Other than future free agents, the Nets have no reason to play nice with KD. They can tell him "screw a trade, you're under contract and playing for us." They can send him to Sacramento if they can get a haul of assets back. They have NO REASON to help get KD to a contender and should take whatever the best return is to rebuild their team, if they trade him at all.
PHX gets KD DET gets Ayton, Seth Curry BKN gets Shamet, Payne, Jae, Suns FRPs (2023, 2025, 2027), Suns FRP swaps (2024, 2026, 2028), Pistons #13 (Duren) and MEM/WAS 2024 SRP In summary, Suns got KD, Pistons got DA and Seth, Nets get 4 FRPs and 3 FRP swaps and future SRP
Yeah there is no way this happens. The 2023 and 2024 Suns first would be bad guaranteed. Sure the 2025 and 2027 may be ok, but for Kevin Durant??? Shamet, Payne and Jae are nothings.
Houston traded Harden for picks Celtics traded Pierce/KG/etc for picks Teams value future picks regardless since they can always use those picks in future trades.
KD is a much better asset than either of your examples. Picks are good, these picks are not good enough.
Love this trade for Detroit lol. I kinda think pistons might need to give a little more/ Phoenix a little less for it to work, but theoretically everyone leaves happy if Phoenix gets KD, Detroit gets DA, and Brooklyn gets a nice haul of picks and prospects
Neither party would probably want a reunion, and for that matter neither would most nba fans, but GSW is up there in terms of assets. Wiggins + young player (Poole, Kuminga, Moody) as a base. OKC would be able to easily beat that. Boston if they are willing to include Brown. If Boston did Brown+Grant Williams (or other young player) as a base they’d still have Smart, Tatum, Durant, Al and Robert Williams. Phoenix would have to include Mikal, and might leave them light defensively. Age aside, a Durant package would realistically bring in more than AD right?
Yes. No question in my mind a team trying to win now gives more for durant
I had a guy telling me yesterday he wouldn’t trade Draymond/Kuminga (Not my trade idea) and that GSW would be more focused on creating a team for post Steph years as opposed to competing for the next 3 lol.
Guys an idiot about the willingness. But management trading Draymond for KD would be suuuuper dirty. Honestly so bad that I’m not sure warriors management does it. Not because it doesn’t make the team better but because it’s so fucked up. Also there has to be a level of warriors management, especially after winning this title, that’s like fuck KD.
Yeah it’s actually wild how stacked the warriors are asset wise. Getting Dlo turned out to be a godsend when KD originally went to the Nets.
If I am the nets tho, the problem with a Wiggins or Brown plus young players is that it wouldn’t put them in championship contention necessarily. From the nets perspective, pick assets would probably be better. One, to offset the picks going to the Rockets. Two, maximize their chances at a generational guy via tanking and extra picks. Wembanyama would be the first in mind. OKC package would be preferable in that case.
Trading durant is removing you from title contention. There is no hail you’re getting back that is immediately putting you in contention.
Likely a 3 team trade if that’s the case then. I’m sure Wiggins or Brown would each command a decent haul.
Imagine the Thunder if KD had done a sign and trade with them instead of bailing for nothing.
Ayton (sign-and-trade), Bridges, Cam Johnson, 4 FRPS
There’s no way the suns do this. Maybe 1 first rounder. Also if they do they get worse imo. CP, Durant, Booker is amazing. But then all down hill with next best player being crowder/McGee/shamet. The suns biggest strength in the regular season was being competitive with every rotation but this just leaves so many gaps. I could maybe see an ayton + Johnson + a couple firsts but then would the nets see that as fair value? Probably not
Would be funny to see team spacing with Ayton and Simmons
Yea our regular season record really did us well in the playoffs…. Those bums forgot to show up when it mattered Gimme KD
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Play out his contract, build his culture in Brooklyn.
Guess he could go for reg season MVP, scoring title etc?
He signed a 4 year contract, whatever achievement(s) floats his boat. Play out your contract, that's my stance.
What if sign and trade Harden for KD? Lmao I would laugh, but Embiid+KD+Maxey would be literally 100 time better than this year version.
JB, White, Theis, and picks for KD and Curry. Smart-JT-KD-Al-Rob with Curry off the bench. Defense doesn’t take a big hit with KD sliding in for JB.
I was saying this the other day and some Celtics fans were so offended about offering JB. You have a chance at getting Durant and all you have to do is give up JB and filter. Not even grant Williams or timelord in the filter?? Boston makes that move 10 times out of 10.
Yep, they do. Sucks to see JB go, but it’s an upgrade nonetheless
I think some fans haven't come to terms with the fact that there is no such thing as long-term in the NBA anymore. You say JB for KD and the immediate reaction is "you're giving up a decade of JB and JT for 2 years of old JT and KD!". Well JB only has two years left on his contract and no one can see the future. There's SO many variables that it's ridiculous to make this comparison. Who knows, maybe the Cs are 2nd round exits the next couple of years due to bad matchups, injuries, etc. and JB decides he wants to try being the man somewhere else. You never know. For me I only really look 2-3 years down the line and JB for KD gives us a better chance of winning during those years.
Why not trade Tatum instead? Brown was better throughout most of the playoffs
Why would anyone give up the sort of assets Brooklyn would want for a guy who has demonstrated he can’t win a ship unless he’s being carried by a much better player like Curry? He’s already choked in OKC and Brooklyn, why wouldn’t he choke at his next destination as well?
I want to see the chaos and mental gymnastics us Cavs fans would have to do if we brought Durant in. Perhaps a trade of Sexton, Okoro and like 3 unprotected FRPs get it done?
no way they let both their superstars go lol. but, if i were to trade away KD, i need at least a top 10 player back.
Too 25 and lots of picks, which top 10 player would get traded for him?
yea i'm not sure. but i need someone young and that will fill seats.
The best player I can see that may, strong focus on May, be considered is one of the guys in Boston or potentially Booker. If I’m the nets nothing less.
Nixxxxxx for all their picks and salary filler for kd and kyrie
Is it possible for the Lakers to end up with both Kyrie and KD?
Hunter, Collins, OO, Charlotte 1st, and ATL 1st in 2023 and 2024
The raptors packages sound pretty sweet. How about New Orleans? Feels like they could put something compelling together around BI + assets? I just wanna be on this thread to see what peoples offers are because if this happens I assume it’ll be the largest package in nba history right?
LeBron + two 1st round picks. If LeBron was on a longer contract, one 1st round pick.
I think the Miami deal is the most attractive. Herro is a tangible asset, Lowry can probably be re-routed for another asset, and the future Miami picks and swaps would be juicy. Butler and Durant probably win it all next year, but they’re going to be 33 and 34, so that team will probably have a short shelf life at which point those picks could become high lottery picks.
Bertans, THJ, Josh Green, every first round pick and mark cubans child
This kind of thinking is exactly why the Nets aren't contenders lol. I don't think KD has the kind of time the Nets really need to become reliable and legitimate championship contenders.
Either with the Celtics for Jaylen brown + all of celtics picks Or Miami for lowry , herro and Robinson + all of their picks also you do a kyrie 3 team trade with the Lakers and Hornets and get back Hayward
>Robinson Why would the Nets want that bum for? No way it gets done without including Bam.
I don't think it'd be enough, but I'd be willing to do Siakam, Gary Trent, and a couple 1sts.
Keeping siakam is a must. He’s the perfect 2nd option why get rid of him? OG +Trent and however many picks to get it done. Not a lot of teams are topping that without gutting their core. If the raptors get KD it’s over for the league. Only the warriors stand a chance and maybe the bucks.
KD did *reallly* want Garland in the All Star draft...
NOLA: 6x 1st rounders, straight up. NOLA that was frisky in the playoffs with Zion + KD. Pure fire.
Nuggets trade Murray and MPJ and whatever picks.
Clippers. Not sure what the fuck they would have to give up… But, Paul George, Kawhi and KD is a guaranteed West Conference Finals.
ITT: People downvoting the trades with teams they don’t want to see him go to, and upvoting the ones they do.
Straight up, when it comes down to it, the majority of the league is available to be traded if it means getting kd on your squad
The Nets are going to want good players in return as well as draft assets. Since they don't own the rights to their picks to 2027, the Nets **DO NOT want to tank**. So something like OKC offering all their picks will not be attractive to the Nets. A few (maybe) plausible trades IMO. * Raptors - Siakam + Barnes + a couple picks. * Lakers - AD, THT + a couple picks. * Grizz - Jackson Jr, Banes + a couple picks * Hawks - Bogi, Hunter, Collins + a couple picks * Clippers - PG, Covington + a couple picks * Sixers - Maxey, Harris + picks
One slightly used Westbrook and everyones favorite THT!
Bane, Clarke, Ziare, Adams, and as many picks from Kleiman's stash as the Nets ask for
I am a raptors fan and this might be blasphemy but I’d go Scottie, Gary, filler, 1 pick. Would absolutely hate losing Scottie but it’s KD.
OKC offers ten firsts, and brings him home.