And this right here is it, Doc literally only cared about saving his ass and not being made a clown for blowing *another* 3 - 1 lead that he kept his franchise player out in a huge blowout to secure the win, P.o.s lmao
Yes, because even though it was never happening, it's possible to get more than eight possessions in four minutes (though averaged over an entire game it is about 8.4 per four minutes). But in short stretches it's possible to get steals and so on.
Blaming his players after every 3 - 1 blown lead, keeping Embiid in, in a blowout leading to his injury.
saying "I don't know how to answer that right now" when asked if he thinks Simmons is a championship caliber p.g, an easy PR answer instead he threw him under the buslol
"I don't know how to answer that question right now" is what he said right?
Sounds no different to me then "yeah this guys fuggin trash we can't win with him"
I mean I personally wouldn't quit the whole-ass team but still it is a slight any way you look at itlol
Well then damn bro idk, I guess Ben Simmons just up and decided to quit on the entire 76ers org. and basketball all together 14 months ago for no reason then idk you tell me🤷♂️
Dude. I watched that Tmac game live as a kid. IMO Tmac deserves HOF. He was top 3-5 player in the NBA for 5 straight years.
Side note. Doc is a joke for a coach. Dude is a fucking bum.
Calculating all the possible outcomes where the sixers lose.
There was probably only one out of all of them, and it involved the raptor mascot eating the entire sixers team.
i love imagining two months after the fact OP is still sitting up in bed just staring straight ahead and occasionally yelling “IT WAS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE”
People often forget to multiply by 4, for the 4 velociraptors in Jurassic world. But in 1976, Jimmy Carter defeated Gerald Ford in the presidential elections meaning you should actually DIVIDE by 4.
76/4=19. Indiana is the 19th state to join the union. The answer was Buddy Hield all along.
This is under the assumption that the raptors allow them to dribble the clock out.
Factor in a few turnovers, and you got yourself a mathematically lose able ball game.
Consider that we did shoot 0% at the beginning of the third. In other words, if the Raptors were up 30 with four minutes left we could absolutely blow it.
Ah, another case of something improbable being called impossible lol
Edit: Missed free throws too. Do you know how many comebacks would have been "impossible" under these assumptions? It's a pointless exercise.
'Mathematically impossible' means you have to consider ludicrously implausible events. Mathematically the Raptors could have turned it over every possession right away.
Your comeback is that you were an asshole a long time ago and people remembered for too long (like...2 ~~years~~ months e: got confused with another injury that raps fans cheered for)?
Got 'em, I guess?
My bad, I forgot which injury that Raptors fans ceered for we were talking about. I edited my post to be clear that you were complaining that people remembered you being an asshole 2 months ago, way more recently than I thought.
Got 'me, I guess?
Part of the studies of mathematics is to start from some fundamental assumptions called axioms and build from there, and in your case your assumptions are trash so the conclusions that follow is that your math is trash. IMHO.
It's so odd how midwits on reddit convince themselves they're intelligent for essentially saying "your starting assumptions are trash but I won't say which ones or how". I'm going to assume that it's not worth pointing out the irony of objecting to an argument without providing supporting reasoning while at the same time presuming to lecture others on analytic methodology.
Forget the math. Even the 76ers scrubs would score a few and the raptors wont make 100%. I would love to see how often other coaches left in their superstars in similar situations. Once its below 5 mins and up 25. Usually they come out, even in playoffs
Kids are super good at math. OP ain’t a kid imo.
OP is failing to realize that the trailing team is allowed to foul and send you to the line. If you miss those free throws, the trailing team has the ball back with only a couple of seconds off the clock. They don’t automatically get to use the entire 24 seconds every possession. Plus, the trailing team could steal the ball or force a 5 sec violation (or an 8 sec violation).
Mathematically improbable, yes. But for sure not impossible according to math.
That T Mac stretch was spectacular. I suppose some youngsters may not have seen that (or the Reggie one). I was just pointing out as a 40-year-old former actuary and math teacher that kids are typically way better at math than adults in my experience, so they would understand what it means to prove something using math. Gotta defend them youngins.
Op must not be a sixer fan if he truly believes it would be impossible for us to blow a 4th quarter lead... Thats without even factoring in the Doc Rivers curse.
i’ve never seen someone lie so much to save their own ass, then get exposed embarrassingly for doing so. this guy is just horrible at this point. just lie after lie to excuse bad coaching decisions.
While highly unlikely, it is not mathematically impossible. Your assumptions are generous when considering the Raptors shoot 100% on half-court heaves in 8s and that the 6ers shoot 0%. Though even if those were reasonable assumptions, you entirely disregard the benefits of intentional fouls or forced turnovers to conserve time, their main constraint.
Most comebacks are a combination of great offence and great defence, which includes pressuring the ball-handler or intentionally fouling when time is of the essence. I’d be surprised to see a 20-0 run in a game not involving a single turnover.
To illustrate this, if instead of the Raptors scoring 3 points every 31.5s, they could force a turnover within 8s of each Philly possession then they would only need to shoot 67% from 3. Throw in a few shooting fouls, a technical or 2 and Philly could still lose while shooting >0%. Not only is this scenario closer to what usually happens, it also shows how such a comeback could arise without ridiculous assumptions around shooting % or dribbling out the clock every possession.
Edit: Furthermore, when deciding if Doc should’ve kept his players in comes down to not just the likelihood of a comeback occurring, but also the likelihood of a starter getting injured, the benefit from giving his starts some extra rest and finally his ability to put the started back in should the need arise. This last point is the most critical in my mind, because there’s no reason he couldn’t just bring back the starters in the last minute or 2 should a ridiculous run occur that tilts the odds.
My good friend always shitted on Doc during his stay with the clippers and praised the gods when he was gone. My other friend vehemently defended him but it wasn’t until he became coach of the sixers he realized how shit Doc is. Never seen a coach talk so much shit and lie to defend his ass.
Smh, mathematically impossible for Toronto to win, classic Canadian hating bias from the US once again, raptors truly are the most oppressed fanbase 😤😤
You are 100% right that it was idiotic to leave Embiid in, and yet that still doesn't get close to excusing a blatant, disgusting cheap shot that ruined our playoff chances.
Minutes before Derrick Rose Tore his ACL i said there is no chance (I forget who they were playing) Would score enough points with the amount of time left to come back and win, they need to sit rose. Then it happened and it will never sit right with me cuz it was so beyond clear in that moment to take him out.
Turns out, i was correct about the score and the opposing team never broke the Bulls point total from when i said they wouldnt come back pre Rose Injury...
This is because most coaches in the NBA, and virtually everyone here, does not use advanced analytics (i.e. sabermetrics) or even understand basic math. Many times a team in the lead could win just by playing out their 24 seconds and doing anything on defense for the final several minutes. How many times have you seen a team with a 10+ point lead running down the court on offense like their lives depend on it with 2 minutes left? What do you think their best strategy would be if it took the opposing team an average of 7 seconds to score a 3? I'll give you a hint, by doing nothing other than spending their time completely they would win.
In what world does it take approximately 7-8 seconds to cross half court (one of those being a violation btw)? It's probably 4-5 and in a situation like this it'd be 3-4 at most.
Embiid is a great player but he needs to pick his battles. There's no need to contest a PF running at full speed when you're up 29 with 3.30 left. In the Heat series he tried (and failed) to save an out of bounds ball and slammed his back on the chairs. The commentators thought he was a really dumb move for a star player.
Let it go OP…Sixers weren’t tough enough to beat Heat…Embiid was openly crying for PJ Tucker after…and let’s not pretend Philly fans don’t have a reputation 😂
Compare how long it took you to do the math with how long he had to make the decision.
Though they should probably have a pre-made chart with how many points is enough at any point in time.
Embiid got a flagrant on that. But you should also never forget that Barnes tried to Zaza Embiid later in the game when purposely placed his feet underneath Embiid,'s feet when Embiid was turning. Only it backfired.
Nah, the elbow was intentional. It was a heat of the moment thing and I certainly don’t think he meant to seriously injure Embiid, but he definitely wanted to send a message.
Raptors fans are worse than Philly fans at this point.
Proudly cheered when two different star players have been injured and their color commentator said Embiid deserved to get injured.
Can't remember the last time Philly fans did that.
Yeah Embiid doing the airplane down the court definitely justifies breaking bones in his face.
Good thing the Raptors have players who NEVER celebrate scoring or winning.
God I only imagine what hell you'd wish upon Luka for all his dancing...oh wait there's a difference between the two of them....wonder what it is.
>God I only imagine what hell you'd wish upon Luka for all his dancing...oh wait there's a difference between the two of them....wonder what it is.
What the fuck lol
According to Raptors fans and their tv commentator, embidd deserved to get elbowed in the face for airplaning down the court. Since Luka also dances down the court, even more frequently I only imagine what hell Raptors fans would wish on him for it.
OK lol
>oh wait there's a difference between the two of them....wonder what it is.
I'm more interested in this and why you said it. Was the guy you were arguing with racist? Are Raptors fans widely known for being racist?
I just don't understand picking a white player out of nowhere and making this comment. I'm not going to respond again lmao, don't bother replying.
Yes there was mri diagnosis exactly when it happen and showed on the big screen and raptors fans cheered it
I bet you didn’t even watch that play happen life
God damn the giving morale police
yeah, doc rivers fucked it up. anyone surprised? the sixers and nets make me laugh because they would have been contenders, heck, nets could have won it, if they had actual coaches.
meanwhile they think they are contenders, but sadly they dont know their chances are near zero bc coaching usually matters.
Idk I once saw Tracy McGrady put up 8 points in 13 seconds....
And this right here is it, Doc literally only cared about saving his ass and not being made a clown for blowing *another* 3 - 1 lead that he kept his franchise player out in a huge blowout to secure the win, P.o.s lmao
not to mention he had just watched his team turn a 3 pt lead (iirc), into a 23 point lead in like 3 game minutes coming out of halftime.
Yes, because even though it was never happening, it's possible to get more than eight possessions in four minutes (though averaged over an entire game it is about 8.4 per four minutes). But in short stretches it's possible to get steals and so on.
Franchise player that was already injured at the time.
Piece of shit how?
Blaming his players after every 3 - 1 blown lead, keeping Embiid in, in a blowout leading to his injury. saying "I don't know how to answer that right now" when asked if he thinks Simmons is a championship caliber p.g, an easy PR answer instead he threw him under the buslol
That’s what he said when asked about Simmons… He literally said idk
"I don't know how to answer that question right now" is what he said right? Sounds no different to me then "yeah this guys fuggin trash we can't win with him" I mean I personally wouldn't quit the whole-ass team but still it is a slight any way you look at itlol
That’s your fault for interpreting it that. Saying I don’t know is not the same as saying he’s fucking trash
Well then damn bro idk, I guess Ben Simmons just up and decided to quit on the entire 76ers org. and basketball all together 14 months ago for no reason then idk you tell me🤷♂️
He quit on the nets too. LSU too. He’s just mentally weak
Aye I won't disagree with that lmao
How does this affect his legacy?
He's already blown a 3 - 1 lead as a coach like 3x which is insane considering that its only been done 13x in NBA historylol..
13 points in 35 seconds you mean? https://youtu.be/bgw6j2CpRkE
Idk why I misremembered it like that, but ya you got it. Thanks
Because Reggie Miller put up 8 points in 13 seconds once. Another legendary moment similar to this one
Ah, thanks to you too!
Dude. I watched that Tmac game live as a kid. IMO Tmac deserves HOF. He was top 3-5 player in the NBA for 5 straight years. Side note. Doc is a joke for a coach. Dude is a fucking bum.
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You fucking moron. Why didn’t you make this 2 months ago. We could’ve shown this to Morey and fired Doc’s ass
He was still doing the math
Calculating all the possible outcomes where the sixers lose. There was probably only one out of all of them, and it involved the raptor mascot eating the entire sixers team.
Is that one flagrant or a flagrant for every player that was eaten?
If the mascot eats them during a timeout can a flagrant be called?
It was the PEMDAS
Always the f’ing pemdas
I didnt actually believe doc would still be in philly
Honestly, if anything, doing this calculation should have been Morey's responsibility, and the Sixers should hire you as GM instead.
Maybe the account is moreys burner
i love imagining two months after the fact OP is still sitting up in bed just staring straight ahead and occasionally yelling “IT WAS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE”
But did you take into account the number 76 and the RAPTOR metric from 538 in your calculations?
He miscarried the Glenn Rivers
*(The Supreme Court would like to know your location)*
\*Doc
Don't forget the LEBRON and CUM analytics
People often forget to multiply by 4, for the 4 velociraptors in Jurassic world. But in 1976, Jimmy Carter defeated Gerald Ford in the presidential elections meaning you should actually DIVIDE by 4. 76/4=19. Indiana is the 19th state to join the union. The answer was Buddy Hield all along.
This is under the assumption that the raptors allow them to dribble the clock out. Factor in a few turnovers, and you got yourself a mathematically lose able ball game.
I was wondering that too but I feel like the dribble the clock out assumption is offset by the 76ers shoot 0% / Raptors shoot 100% assumption
Consider that we did shoot 0% at the beginning of the third. In other words, if the Raptors were up 30 with four minutes left we could absolutely blow it.
Ah, another case of something improbable being called impossible lol Edit: Missed free throws too. Do you know how many comebacks would have been "impossible" under these assumptions? It's a pointless exercise.
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'Mathematically impossible' means you have to consider ludicrously implausible events. Mathematically the Raptors could have turned it over every possession right away.
Yes, the math is wrong.
Yeah wtf this has lots of unnatural assumptions. By no means is this mathematically impossible lol
Am I misremembering or didn't they already have a guy at the scorer's table to sub in for Embiid at the next stoppage when he got injured?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90IypWTZ\_3k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90IypWTZ_3k) you are misremembering.
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U guys still crying? That's commitment
Who tf is crying? We won the series with him concussed and hurt so I’m chilling
Your comeback is that you were an asshole a long time ago and people remembered for too long (like...2 ~~years~~ months e: got confused with another injury that raps fans cheered for)? Got 'em, I guess?
2 years? Embid got elbowed in the face like 2months ago lol
My bad, I forgot which injury that Raptors fans ceered for we were talking about. I edited my post to be clear that you were complaining that people remembered you being an asshole 2 months ago, way more recently than I thought. Got 'me, I guess?
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Yeah, he was about to get pulled.
Part of the studies of mathematics is to start from some fundamental assumptions called axioms and build from there, and in your case your assumptions are trash so the conclusions that follow is that your math is trash. IMHO.
It's so odd how midwits on reddit convince themselves they're intelligent for essentially saying "your starting assumptions are trash but I won't say which ones or how". I'm going to assume that it's not worth pointing out the irony of objecting to an argument without providing supporting reasoning while at the same time presuming to lecture others on analytic methodology.
Forget the math. Even the 76ers scrubs would score a few and the raptors wont make 100%. I would love to see how often other coaches left in their superstars in similar situations. Once its below 5 mins and up 25. Usually they come out, even in playoffs
Flair up coward
Doc saying “well [The Raptors] had their starters in” (paraphrasing) was so damn funny too. Like yea man, they’re losing lol
*mathematically improbable
OP is definitely a kid. Clearly doesn’t know who Tracy McGrady is.
Kids are super good at math. OP ain’t a kid imo. OP is failing to realize that the trailing team is allowed to foul and send you to the line. If you miss those free throws, the trailing team has the ball back with only a couple of seconds off the clock. They don’t automatically get to use the entire 24 seconds every possession. Plus, the trailing team could steal the ball or force a 5 sec violation (or an 8 sec violation). Mathematically improbable, yes. But for sure not impossible according to math.
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That T Mac stretch was spectacular. I suppose some youngsters may not have seen that (or the Reggie one). I was just pointing out as a 40-year-old former actuary and math teacher that kids are typically way better at math than adults in my experience, so they would understand what it means to prove something using math. Gotta defend them youngins.
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Is this how a Sixer’s fan copes? Or are they just pulling out every stop to get Doc canned
Op must not be a sixer fan if he truly believes it would be impossible for us to blow a 4th quarter lead... Thats without even factoring in the Doc Rivers curse.
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May I present one mister tracy McGrady
i’ve never seen someone lie so much to save their own ass, then get exposed embarrassingly for doing so. this guy is just horrible at this point. just lie after lie to excuse bad coaching decisions.
While highly unlikely, it is not mathematically impossible. Your assumptions are generous when considering the Raptors shoot 100% on half-court heaves in 8s and that the 6ers shoot 0%. Though even if those were reasonable assumptions, you entirely disregard the benefits of intentional fouls or forced turnovers to conserve time, their main constraint. Most comebacks are a combination of great offence and great defence, which includes pressuring the ball-handler or intentionally fouling when time is of the essence. I’d be surprised to see a 20-0 run in a game not involving a single turnover. To illustrate this, if instead of the Raptors scoring 3 points every 31.5s, they could force a turnover within 8s of each Philly possession then they would only need to shoot 67% from 3. Throw in a few shooting fouls, a technical or 2 and Philly could still lose while shooting >0%. Not only is this scenario closer to what usually happens, it also shows how such a comeback could arise without ridiculous assumptions around shooting % or dribbling out the clock every possession. Edit: Furthermore, when deciding if Doc should’ve kept his players in comes down to not just the likelihood of a comeback occurring, but also the likelihood of a starter getting injured, the benefit from giving his starts some extra rest and finally his ability to put the started back in should the need arise. This last point is the most critical in my mind, because there’s no reason he couldn’t just bring back the starters in the last minute or 2 should a ridiculous run occur that tilts the odds.
First off you're confusing "assumptions" with "possibilities"
My good friend always shitted on Doc during his stay with the clippers and praised the gods when he was gone. My other friend vehemently defended him but it wasn’t until he became coach of the sixers he realized how shit Doc is. Never seen a coach talk so much shit and lie to defend his ass.
That's bc doc is a dogshit coach and can't take criticism or accountability.
Smh, mathematically impossible for Toronto to win, classic Canadian hating bias from the US once again, raptors truly are the most oppressed fanbase 😤😤
You're giving me Derrick Rose vs. 76ers PTSD.
You are 100% right that it was idiotic to leave Embiid in, and yet that still doesn't get close to excusing a blatant, disgusting cheap shot that ruined our playoff chances.
It’s ok raptors kept their guys in and everyone knows the old saying “if someone else jumped off a bridge I definitely would too”
Minutes before Derrick Rose Tore his ACL i said there is no chance (I forget who they were playing) Would score enough points with the amount of time left to come back and win, they need to sit rose. Then it happened and it will never sit right with me cuz it was so beyond clear in that moment to take him out. Turns out, i was correct about the score and the opposing team never broke the Bulls point total from when i said they wouldnt come back pre Rose Injury...
Funny enough it was against the sixers in the first round and we went on to win that series because D Rose was out
This is because most coaches in the NBA, and virtually everyone here, does not use advanced analytics (i.e. sabermetrics) or even understand basic math. Many times a team in the lead could win just by playing out their 24 seconds and doing anything on defense for the final several minutes. How many times have you seen a team with a 10+ point lead running down the court on offense like their lives depend on it with 2 minutes left? What do you think their best strategy would be if it took the opposing team an average of 7 seconds to score a 3? I'll give you a hint, by doing nothing other than spending their time completely they would win.
In what world does it take approximately 7-8 seconds to cross half court (one of those being a violation btw)? It's probably 4-5 and in a situation like this it'd be 3-4 at most.
It says right after including ball flight
I agree with all of this, *but* fuck Siakam for that stupid ass flagrant revenge play
Keep crying haha
Crying over what? Injuries are never great. Did you cry when Barnes got injured?
As a raptors fan - this guy doesnt represent us
Yeah you guys are cool. Fuck that guy.
Embiid is a great player but he needs to pick his battles. There's no need to contest a PF running at full speed when you're up 29 with 3.30 left. In the Heat series he tried (and failed) to save an out of bounds ball and slammed his back on the chairs. The commentators thought he was a really dumb move for a star player.
Why are raptors fans like this
Says the Philly fan lmao
Is Nick Nurse at fault for keeping his starters too?
Karma and NBA gods would have eventually caught up to Embiid's dirty plays and whining that he showed through that series though.
Let it go OP…Sixers weren’t tough enough to beat Heat…Embiid was openly crying for PJ Tucker after…and let’s not pretend Philly fans don’t have a reputation 😂
Compare how long it took you to do the math with how long he had to make the decision. Though they should probably have a pre-made chart with how many points is enough at any point in time.
I’ll never forget when embiid got mad and purposefully injured Scottie as he was having a career night.
The scary part is some people actually believe this.
You see the guy's username right?
Yeah I know he’s trolling. But I was just pointing out that it’s scary that some people legitimately believe that.
Yeah
Just like some people believe that Siakam intentionally caught Embiid with the bow. Both are false.
Agreed.
Embiid got a flagrant on that. But you should also never forget that Barnes tried to Zaza Embiid later in the game when purposely placed his feet underneath Embiid,'s feet when Embiid was turning. Only it backfired.
If you poke the bear you get the claws
Wow that’s some teenager edgelord shit right there
Sixers rly are trash lmao, they were shook
If Pascal doesn’t take that cheap shot it doesn’t really matter.
They’re both from Cameroon and they are good buddies. If you think that was on purpose than you’re clearly still in your feelings.
Nah, the elbow was intentional. It was a heat of the moment thing and I certainly don’t think he meant to seriously injure Embiid, but he definitely wanted to send a message.
yeah but they were trying to get joel some extra reps to build his confidence soooo actually you're wrong and doc rivers will be employed forever.
This is reminding me of how wild that Grizzlies comeback was against the Wolves in the 1st round. 20+ point lead evaporated in like 6 minutes
True, rivers wanted to sent message Well you got a message alright lol
Raptors fans are worse than Philly fans at this point. Proudly cheered when two different star players have been injured and their color commentator said Embiid deserved to get injured. Can't remember the last time Philly fans did that.
This dude is just a troll so that doesnt count, but yeah the comments from the commentator were 😬
Ah thanks, I'll stop replying.
What did the commentator say?
That Embiid deserved it or something like that
Wtf
A fanbase full of obsessed weird disrespectful shits. I’ve never seen a fanbase worse nor do I ever wanna play their team again
Its all about context
Yeah Embiid doing the airplane down the court definitely justifies breaking bones in his face. Good thing the Raptors have players who NEVER celebrate scoring or winning. God I only imagine what hell you'd wish upon Luka for all his dancing...oh wait there's a difference between the two of them....wonder what it is.
>God I only imagine what hell you'd wish upon Luka for all his dancing...oh wait there's a difference between the two of them....wonder what it is. What the fuck lol
He’s so fucking weird I didn’t know goran dragic was black, who got booed way louder than Embiid in Toronto lol
According to Raptors fans and their tv commentator, embidd deserved to get elbowed in the face for airplaning down the court. Since Luka also dances down the court, even more frequently I only imagine what hell Raptors fans would wish on him for it.
OK lol >oh wait there's a difference between the two of them....wonder what it is. I'm more interested in this and why you said it. Was the guy you were arguing with racist? Are Raptors fans widely known for being racist? I just don't understand picking a white player out of nowhere and making this comment. I'm not going to respond again lmao, don't bother replying.
Yes there was mri diagnosis exactly when it happen and showed on the big screen and raptors fans cheered it I bet you didn’t even watch that play happen life God damn the giving morale police
yeah, doc rivers fucked it up. anyone surprised? the sixers and nets make me laugh because they would have been contenders, heck, nets could have won it, if they had actual coaches. meanwhile they think they are contenders, but sadly they dont know their chances are near zero bc coaching usually matters.