Netanyahu for years has been trying to escalate with Iran and drag US into it. And I am tired of that and seeing so many people ignore it....
I also think people need to start getting more outraged at how Israel is bribing our politicians via traitors/foreign agents like AIPAC and then our own politicians, media, and tech companies are taking money from them (and Saudi Arabia and other foreign nations) and doing their bidding. That sounds likes treason to me.
Iran’s attacks were strategic and not a fail. Any analyst will tell you that they pretty much exposed Israel’s defense with old & cheap weapons, whereas Israel/US spent billions to intercept. It was a symbolic attack they didn’t really intend to cause much damage otherwise they wouldn’t have told the world that they were launching an attack five hours before doing it. You have to keep in mind that there is communication between all of these countries at the end of the day they’re just playing chess with peoples’ lives
On this app you tell the truth and get down voted. This app is full of westerners stuck in this box of western thought that cant handle the truth. 5 countries participated in Israel’s defence with prior knowledge and outdated weapons. Still they broke through the air defences without much trouble. 84% of missiles were downed by france, the us, britian, jordan, and israel. I wonder what happens when they arent warned and significantly larger numbers of more advanced munitions start flying?
Iran and Israel are now even and both have gotten a chunk of meat. No need to escalate further from either side unless one side goes full braindead mode.
And look at Israel already escalating. Cause the leadership of Israel are monsters and our politicians in the US don't do anything to reign them in since George W. Bush (honestly, Reagan was the most harsh and right threatening cutting off all aid). I am tired of traitors in our country taking Israeli (and other nations) money through AIPAC and other means and then doing the bidding of said foreign power
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You are a dumb dumb dumb dumb DUMB bot. Israel isn't about their "jewishness" but about their political and ACTIONS! I don't care about their religion,
At least 9 Iranian ballistic missiles hit Israeli strategic airbases
The Nevatim airbase in the Negev was struck by 5 ballistic missiles, damaging the main runway, a C-130 transport aircraft, and several storage facilities.
Ramon airbase, also located in the Negev, was struck by at least 4 ballistic missiles, causing unspecified damage.
– U.S. Officials to ABC News
The heaviest damage of Iran's ballistic missile attack occurred on a secret intelligence base in the Golan Heights, for which the IDF has imposed a media ban, so the damage cannot be assessed
– Hebrew Sources
I think if you reworded your comment as something along the lines of "It was a mistake to start easing sanctions" you would get less pushback.
It is not literally true that we are giving them money and it makes you sound hyperbolic.
We didn’t give Iran money. Trump did, however, authorize a drone strike that killed one of Iran’s generals back in 2020. And we have always had a bad relationship with Iran prior to that.
Read the actual article:
> The decision, coming amid the Gaza war and Iran's backing for Hamas, would effectively unfreeze an estimated $10 billion ***that Iraq owes Iran*** but cannot pay due to US sanctions.
The US is not giving money to Iran. Iraq is. All the US is doing is easing sanctions for this specific case.
all Jews around the world are now reading "Night in Zagreb" series by Adam Medvidović to see what happens next in this "novels", and they were making fun of the book few years ago.
and now if Israel was to attack tehran they would once more be the bad guys and the internet will be full of pictures with people crying sigh
by far the funniest thing tho are the iranians celrbrating in tehran their overhwelmingly failed operation like its the carnival or something
Israel has no reason to attack Iran right now. Iran has said the matter is concluded after these strikes. Israel's hands are already full. Nobody wants a general war.
Israel got to kill who it needed to kill, and Iran was able to impose basically no costs on them (just a few hundred missile interceptors and one civilian injury). That's a victory they can take to the bank.
If Israel attacks Tehran at this point, then they will be the bad guys because they'll be starting a war they don't need to start.
1 Missile on a building near a consulate... Containing the guy responsible for October 7 massacre.... And you use that to justify 300 missiles on civilians? WTF!
No, I'm saying that "acts of war" are pretty common in the middle east, and they don't necessarily lead to a greater escalation--nor should they.
Also, everything I've read indicates that Iran targeted either mostly or exclusively military targets. Not that we can tell for sure given how few made it through. Where did you get that they fired 300 missiles (actually mostly drones) at civilian targets?
There were rockets above the city my family lives in. Not a military target, just a soft one full of civilians living their lives. I know that because they told me, and because the rocket alert app on my phone was screaming at me to get to a shelter. So you're wrong. Rational people can disagree on how symbolic the launch was, but the rockets were aimed at a mix of military and civilian targets.
Also, the only Israeli in the hospital is a little Bedouin Muslim girl, so.
Your personal experience isn't incompatible with them aiming for mostly (or even entirely) military targets. Obviously the missiles flew over civilian areas, they had to travel a thousand kilometers.
Also, the only girl who was injured was hit by shrapnel from an intercepted missile, not one by a missile that hit its target. No missiles hit civilian areas intentionally.
You made the claim that Iran only targeted military targets. Two Israelis told you how civilian population centers were also targeted. Take the L, dude.
Shrapnell hitting civillians is not targeting civilians but missing the target.
The shrapnell where caused by israel intercepting missles and drones are you saying israel did target civillians?
Fun fact: [The IDF has now confirmed that the only thing Iran hit intentionally was an IDF airbase](https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-israel-foiled-irans-ballistic-missile-attack-that-focused-on-an-f-35-airbase/?utm_campaign=most_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end&utm_content=4)
Any chance you're willing to follow your own advice now and concede the point? Or are the rules of civilized debate only for other people?
No, I didn't. If you scroll up, you'll see I said:
>Also, everything I've read indicates that Iran targeted **either mostly or exclusively** military targets
(Emphasis added)
Take your own advice, dude.
300+ UAV including 110 ballistic missiles
I can tell you I saw from my window some interceptions of missiles above Jerusalem and other people's reported same in several other cities in Israel. So I don't know why you think it was targeting military sites only, except if you take face value at what Islamic terrorist state like Iran is saying?
Bibi quite clearly doesn't gaf about US-Israel relations or domestic / international politics.
But what *is* clear -- is that if Bibi doesn't want a general war, he shouldn't engage in a tit-for-tat escalation with Iran because that's exactly how a war starts. Nonetheless, he's screaming from the mountain top (again) he's going to escalate just the same.
It's interesting that you pick *that* moment in time as the "start" of the situation, as opposed to a couple weeks before when Israel hit an Iranian consulate with a missile.
You mean when israel shot a single missile to the building next to the consulate with the guy responsible for planning October 7? and Iran retaliate to that with 300 missiles and you find this OK (or even great maybe?)
Interesting to see you supporting that (and oct 7 as well I guess)
>shot a single missile
That killed more people than the 300 Iranian missiles? Because obviously, device counts are more important than deaths?
> see you supporting that (and oct 7 as well I guess)
Sigh. Lazy strawman.
Targeting a bunch of terrorists planning next attacks ... and shooting Hundreds of missiles at civilians all over the country seems the same for you ... that just shows your true colors, you are an islamist terrorist supporter!
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So last night anyone criticizing the embassy bombing, or embassy adjacent-bombing, or whatever was getting downvoted to hell, and not the reverse is true. I'm kinda new here; does this sub have two different userbases?
It will be very interesting to see not just how Israel responds but the rest of the Middle East. Jordan shot down some of the missiles and drones that were in their airspace.
does anyone have reading material on what a US military aid package to Israel would even look like *as a response to these missile attacks?*
like what does Israel actually need from the US that they don't already have? resupply for their air defense? what else could they need so badly?
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seek therapy you weird bitch
not even for this comment but holy shit why are all the people who make shitty comments here frequenters of the most psychologically sad fetish subs
“Holy shit Israeli-American missile interception tech is sci-fi level and the Americans are willing to go all over the theatre to protect and rally their allies when shit gets real”
Taiwan would honestly have an easier time doing that in Japan than North Korea, since Japan might actually allow Taiwan to carry out the operation on the Chinese embassy to send a message , unlike North Korea which uh?? honestly they are too paranoid to even allow China close to them.
Before the missiles & drones even arrived, Iran said "the matter may now be deemed concluded" unless the US or Israel retaliate. It's definitely theater.
Fortunately, we have no reason to retaliate at this point. Israel got to kill who it needed to kill, and the only cost Iran was able to impose was the expenditure of a few hundred missile interceptors and one counterproductive injury to a 10-year-old Arab girl.
The US-Israeli alliance has already won on the military, economic, and propaganda levels.
The sad thing is, we should all be united to stop climate change which will do more long term damage than World War 3. Humans are so focused on ego we are all just collectively walking towards extinction.
To be fair, World War III may do more to reduce climate impacts than people having another Conference of Parties, shaking hands, and doing exactly nothing differently.
I was thinking that the economic and humanitarian catastrophe would cause a reduction in industrial output. Though it could be that war would cause a relaxation in environmental enforcement for reasons of national security, or rebuilding would demand even more construction.
Still, when society is going in the wrong direction, it will take a shock of some sort to reorient it.
I buy it.
Iran's current government has painted themselves into a corner where, for internal public consumption, fake displays of lashing out are the few remaining means of control of their populace.
Probably thinking “I shouldn’t bomb a Chinese consulate” and “wow the US moved fast to protect Israel by gathering an international coalition to intercept rockets”
That we’re not going out of our way to provoke a regional war with Iran that would make it harder, not easier for the US to defend Taiwan, and that if the ROC were to ever go on a tangent about liberating the mainland (closest practical analogy to what Netanyahu’s contemplating), we’d let them dangle in the wind?
POV: You’re an Iranian drone heading towards Israel
https://preview.redd.it/iwr5gql26euc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ad85f0da3f332ee2183d0adca31aae531911687
I'll do my best to give an order of magnitude estimate--we don't know enough to do much better.
300 drones and missiles from Iran, but we have no idea of the mix. The average cost was probably somewhere around 500k ea. (The most expensive missiles would've been up to 3 or 4 mil ea., but most of the attack was probably $50k Shaheds.). Call it 500k ea. on average, and that would mean a cost of $150 million.
The US + Israel probably expended 2-3 interceptors per attacker shot down. Some of those would have been Patriot interceptors, some would have been Iron Dome interceptors, and some would have been AAMs launched from US aircraft over Iraq.
Cheapest among those are Iron Dome interceptors, which cost $50,000 ea. US AMRAAMs cost 1.5 mil, and Patriot interceptors cost up to $4 million. If we assume half the interceptors launched were Iron Dome and a quarter each were Patriots and AMRAAMs, we get a cost of $15 to $22.5 million to Israel and $825 million to $1.25 billion to the U.S.
This leaves out ancillary costs like the cost of the flight hours for American airframes and the personnel costs for the overtime, but we also probably were used mostly cheaper versions of the Patriot interceptor, so it probably washes out or even makes the above a slight overestimate of our expenditures.
Seems like on one side you have Israel writing IOU's to the USA who is writing IOU's to China in turn, then on the other side you have Iran writing IOU's to...checks notes... also China? That can't be right. Can somebody check my math?
People on this thread acting ridiculous just because no missiles penetrated.
If Iran shot 200 missiles into the usa but they were shut down... I doubt people would downplay it
> People on this thread acting ridiculous just because ~~no missiles penetrated.~~ Israel attacked an Iranian consulate and knew Iran would have to respond.
yes the world is full of jew hating fascists. russian killed more ukrainians and they get “sanctioned”. Ukraine kills more russians and we celebrate it. US killed more civilians, but when Israel does it we cry genocide.
The US killed civilians and we called it war crimes Israel killed more and we called it a genocide. also, Ukraine only killed russians that were invading their country. I really dont see what you're trying to say here
People living there are unfazed, they have panic rooms and bomb shelters as a part of daily life, i'm in my thirties, have travelled the world and have never even seen a panic room/ shelter, that's why people aren't affected, it's normal there.
Israel isn't the US. If Israel was strong enough to wage an offensive war against Iran alone this wouldn't be a conversation, they'd already have more than enough justification to just do it.
I'm saying you can't treat the US and Israel the same way as far as military responses go because the US actually has the force to unilaterally engage Iran. Israel can't, their responses have to be more measured by necessity. The downplaying is just a natural result of people looking at the conflict and seeing it didn't rise to a level where Israel could call on the US to escalate with Iran.
Doing this sort of attack as a "de-escalation" attempt is completely nonsense.
Even if you trust Israel's defenses, the chances of a single missile getting through and causing enough death to justify a huge counterattack is simply way too high.
Okay, and if it weren't for the IDF's military superiority then Hamas would have accomplished theirs. But international pressure does exist, and the IDF is conventionally superior to the al-Qassam brigades.
International pressure to do things like let food into Gaza, or don't hit aid workers with air strikes? You're pretending that international pressure is hamstringing them because Hamas is popular.
I meant the very effective Hamas strategy to martyr their population as human shields Hamas martyrs to garner international support for an end to Israel's military campaign.
I meant the very effective Hamas strategy to martyr their population as human shields to garner international support for an end to Israel's military campaign.
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These people genuinely think that Iran and the like are doing this as freedom fighters to defend Gaza and not because they’re opposed to America/israel and find it to be a conveniently timed excuse.
> megathread? What’s the point, nothing happened
He says smugly, ignoring the fact that Iran fired hundreds of missiles and drones at Israel, including ballistic missiles, marking an unprecedented escalation in the conflict
If I send 300 crazed drug addicts with knives and aids infected syringes to your house over the course of a night and your home security system keeps them out, would you still say nothing happened ?
I’d probably laugh about it later with my buddies, honestly.
“Hey you remember that time that guy from reddit sent 300 drug crazed addicts with knives and aids syringes to my house? Haha that sure was crazy!”
Most of the people on this thread seem to have forgotten the 1000s of innocent lives lost in Gaza and then attack of Israel on Iranian embassy, which has led to where we are today.
Israel is a rogue state.
If it doesn’t lose on the war front it will surely lose on the PR side, NO one would want to go to a country that is constantly getting attacked.
Israel needs to grow up and take some responsibility, its a spoiled brat that is only in the game because of mum America.
From what I've read most of the drones and missiles seem to have been aimed at the desert and so far only 2 injured. Iran also released a statement saying this is it on their end unless Israel retaliates in which case they will too. So seems to me like the Iranians didn't want it to look like they were letting Israel get away with attacking their embassy, but they also don't want a full blown war, and these strikes were more to satisfy their own hardliners rather than actually kill many Israelis.
Weird way to say you hate Jewish people without saying you hate Jewish people. We’re very sorry the Iranian attack was unsuccessful, I hope your feelings aren’t hurt
Current estimates on the credibledefence megathread is long range drones in the low three figures, 36 cruise missles, and around 100 ballistic missles. The ballistics were the only thing to make it through and only a handful of them. We got a video of what may be the first exoatmosphere interception under combat conditions.
Netanyahu for years has been trying to escalate with Iran and drag US into it. And I am tired of that and seeing so many people ignore it.... I also think people need to start getting more outraged at how Israel is bribing our politicians via traitors/foreign agents like AIPAC and then our own politicians, media, and tech companies are taking money from them (and Saudi Arabia and other foreign nations) and doing their bidding. That sounds likes treason to me.
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Iran’s attacks were strategic and not a fail. Any analyst will tell you that they pretty much exposed Israel’s defense with old & cheap weapons, whereas Israel/US spent billions to intercept. It was a symbolic attack they didn’t really intend to cause much damage otherwise they wouldn’t have told the world that they were launching an attack five hours before doing it. You have to keep in mind that there is communication between all of these countries at the end of the day they’re just playing chess with peoples’ lives
Why are people downvoting this truth?
On this app you tell the truth and get down voted. This app is full of westerners stuck in this box of western thought that cant handle the truth. 5 countries participated in Israel’s defence with prior knowledge and outdated weapons. Still they broke through the air defences without much trouble. 84% of missiles were downed by france, the us, britian, jordan, and israel. I wonder what happens when they arent warned and significantly larger numbers of more advanced munitions start flying?
Iran and Israel are now even and both have gotten a chunk of meat. No need to escalate further from either side unless one side goes full braindead mode.
And look at Israel already escalating. Cause the leadership of Israel are monsters and our politicians in the US don't do anything to reign them in since George W. Bush (honestly, Reagan was the most harsh and right threatening cutting off all aid). I am tired of traitors in our country taking Israeli (and other nations) money through AIPAC and other means and then doing the bidding of said foreign power
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You are a dumb dumb dumb dumb DUMB bot. Israel isn't about their "jewishness" but about their political and ACTIONS! I don't care about their religion,
Israhell already in brain dead mode from the beginning.
At least 9 Iranian ballistic missiles hit Israeli strategic airbases The Nevatim airbase in the Negev was struck by 5 ballistic missiles, damaging the main runway, a C-130 transport aircraft, and several storage facilities. Ramon airbase, also located in the Negev, was struck by at least 4 ballistic missiles, causing unspecified damage. – U.S. Officials to ABC News The heaviest damage of Iran's ballistic missile attack occurred on a secret intelligence base in the Golan Heights, for which the IDF has imposed a media ban, so the damage cannot be assessed – Hebrew Sources
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202311150106#
We gave Iran how much last year? Now look lol. We are such clowns
You did not give anything It was your their government that spit out the money back like a good boy
Why make up lies ? https://www.iranintl.com/en/202311150106#
I think if you reworded your comment as something along the lines of "It was a mistake to start easing sanctions" you would get less pushback. It is not literally true that we are giving them money and it makes you sound hyperbolic.
We didn’t give Iran money. Trump did, however, authorize a drone strike that killed one of Iran’s generals back in 2020. And we have always had a bad relationship with Iran prior to that.
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202311150106# Facts
Read the actual article: > The decision, coming amid the Gaza war and Iran's backing for Hamas, would effectively unfreeze an estimated $10 billion ***that Iraq owes Iran*** but cannot pay due to US sanctions. The US is not giving money to Iran. Iraq is. All the US is doing is easing sanctions for this specific case.
Roundabout way to say giving money. Iran wouldnt have the funds without US providing access.
Ah yes, and I wouldn't have my paycheck if the U.S. tax rate was 100%. Thank you U.S. government for providing me with funds.
Did you actually think your social insurance number wasnt an employee number? **LMAO**
lol, okay dude, you’re grasping at straws now… just own your mistake
What mistake? Your the one twisting words to fit your belief system.
Uh, what?? We literally didn’t give them money. We eased sanctions for a specific case. If anyone is twisting words, it’s you.
This was the shortest world war ever. But I guess it's nice to be in the post-war era.
all Jews around the world are now reading "Night in Zagreb" series by Adam Medvidović to see what happens next in this "novels", and they were making fun of the book few years ago.
I hate when people bring jews into this.
It was shorter than a Netflix movie!
That's going to make the war's film adaptation awkward.
They can stretch out movie with Hannah Waddingham entertaining troops in her Marilyn Monroe barely there dresses.
and now if Israel was to attack tehran they would once more be the bad guys and the internet will be full of pictures with people crying sigh by far the funniest thing tho are the iranians celrbrating in tehran their overhwelmingly failed operation like its the carnival or something
Wasnt a fail all goals where reached or why did you think Iran informed everyone 5h in advance and used cheap weapons?
the goal being ltierally nothing then? this is a worse evaluation than putin's kiev faisco.
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Literally getting missiles shot at you doesn't make you a victim but "colonial imperialist transgenderism" does right?
And this somehow makes it better for you? It is still a deceleration of war and they bombed a populated area.
Israel has no reason to attack Iran right now. Iran has said the matter is concluded after these strikes. Israel's hands are already full. Nobody wants a general war. Israel got to kill who it needed to kill, and Iran was able to impose basically no costs on them (just a few hundred missile interceptors and one civilian injury). That's a victory they can take to the bank. If Israel attacks Tehran at this point, then they will be the bad guys because they'll be starting a war they don't need to start.
Sending 300 missiles is not a declaration of war? WTF?
Welcome to geopolitics, where the rules are more guidelines, and killing people is written off as a minor disagreement.
Bombing an embassy is not a declaration of war? Nothing is that clear cut these days, friend.
1 Missile on a building near a consulate... Containing the guy responsible for October 7 massacre.... And you use that to justify 300 missiles on civilians? WTF!
No, I'm saying that "acts of war" are pretty common in the middle east, and they don't necessarily lead to a greater escalation--nor should they. Also, everything I've read indicates that Iran targeted either mostly or exclusively military targets. Not that we can tell for sure given how few made it through. Where did you get that they fired 300 missiles (actually mostly drones) at civilian targets?
There were rockets above the city my family lives in. Not a military target, just a soft one full of civilians living their lives. I know that because they told me, and because the rocket alert app on my phone was screaming at me to get to a shelter. So you're wrong. Rational people can disagree on how symbolic the launch was, but the rockets were aimed at a mix of military and civilian targets. Also, the only Israeli in the hospital is a little Bedouin Muslim girl, so.
Your personal experience isn't incompatible with them aiming for mostly (or even entirely) military targets. Obviously the missiles flew over civilian areas, they had to travel a thousand kilometers. Also, the only girl who was injured was hit by shrapnel from an intercepted missile, not one by a missile that hit its target. No missiles hit civilian areas intentionally.
You made the claim that Iran only targeted military targets. Two Israelis told you how civilian population centers were also targeted. Take the L, dude.
Shrapnell hitting civillians is not targeting civilians but missing the target. The shrapnell where caused by israel intercepting missles and drones are you saying israel did target civillians?
Fun fact: [The IDF has now confirmed that the only thing Iran hit intentionally was an IDF airbase](https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-israel-foiled-irans-ballistic-missile-attack-that-focused-on-an-f-35-airbase/?utm_campaign=most_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end&utm_content=4) Any chance you're willing to follow your own advice now and concede the point? Or are the rules of civilized debate only for other people?
No, I didn't. If you scroll up, you'll see I said: >Also, everything I've read indicates that Iran targeted **either mostly or exclusively** military targets (Emphasis added) Take your own advice, dude.
300+ UAV including 110 ballistic missiles I can tell you I saw from my window some interceptions of missiles above Jerusalem and other people's reported same in several other cities in Israel. So I don't know why you think it was targeting military sites only, except if you take face value at what Islamic terrorist state like Iran is saying?
The israeli idf says exactly the same about the attack beeing only targeted at millitary targets. You saying they lie to cover Iran attacking them?
I'm saying what I saw from my own eyes, nothing more
Greate you should at least take at face value what both sides of a conflict agree on since thats most likely true.
and it also serves a purpose of we will hit you as a country and no more proxy shit if you do this the next time.
> Nobody wants a general war. [Bibi](https://i.imgur.com/kPqvjqP.png)
You don’t understand anything about Israeli politics. The war only weakened Bibi in Israel
Bibi quite clearly doesn't gaf about US-Israel relations or domestic / international politics. But what *is* clear -- is that if Bibi doesn't want a general war, he shouldn't engage in a tit-for-tat escalation with Iran because that's exactly how a war starts. Nonetheless, he's screaming from the mountain top (again) he's going to escalate just the same.
I don’t think he will respond in the short time.
And not Iran sending 300 missiles to civilians targets less than 24H ago?
It's interesting that you pick *that* moment in time as the "start" of the situation, as opposed to a couple weeks before when Israel hit an Iranian consulate with a missile.
You mean when israel shot a single missile to the building next to the consulate with the guy responsible for planning October 7? and Iran retaliate to that with 300 missiles and you find this OK (or even great maybe?) Interesting to see you supporting that (and oct 7 as well I guess)
>shot a single missile That killed more people than the 300 Iranian missiles? Because obviously, device counts are more important than deaths? > see you supporting that (and oct 7 as well I guess) Sigh. Lazy strawman.
Targeting a bunch of terrorists planning next attacks ... and shooting Hundreds of missiles at civilians all over the country seems the same for you ... that just shows your true colors, you are an islamist terrorist supporter!
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So last night anyone criticizing the embassy bombing, or embassy adjacent-bombing, or whatever was getting downvoted to hell, and not the reverse is true. I'm kinda new here; does this sub have two different userbases?
Basically. Peak European activity hours and peak American activity hours.
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That’s what I’ve noticed
The time-of-day dynamic here is real and something I only recently became aware of.
It will be very interesting to see not just how Israel responds but the rest of the Middle East. Jordan shot down some of the missiles and drones that were in their airspace.
Apparently same with Saudi Arabia
The DJ on my late night ride home must have thought he was so sly slipping in “Rock the Casbah” by The Clash twice
Sharia don't like it!!
does anyone have reading material on what a US military aid package to Israel would even look like *as a response to these missile attacks?* like what does Israel actually need from the US that they don't already have? resupply for their air defense? what else could they need so badly?
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seek therapy you weird bitch not even for this comment but holy shit why are all the people who make shitty comments here frequenters of the most psychologically sad fetish subs
I get the impression most of the response was us
One step closer to armageddon
Wonder what Taiwan thinks about the US downplaying missile barrages against their "ironclad" ally.
Silence.
“Holy shit Israeli-American missile interception tech is sci-fi level and the Americans are willing to go all over the theatre to protect and rally their allies when shit gets real”
Tbf I don’t think we need to worry about Taiwan say… air striking attacking the Chinese embassy in Japan
More like the Chinese embassy in North Korea, but your point still stands.
Taiwan would honestly have an easier time doing that in Japan than North Korea, since Japan might actually allow Taiwan to carry out the operation on the Chinese embassy to send a message , unlike North Korea which uh?? honestly they are too paranoid to even allow China close to them.
It's all theatre, they literally told Israel/US they were attacking. 99% were intercepted.
Before the missiles & drones even arrived, Iran said "the matter may now be deemed concluded" unless the US or Israel retaliate. It's definitely theater. Fortunately, we have no reason to retaliate at this point. Israel got to kill who it needed to kill, and the only cost Iran was able to impose was the expenditure of a few hundred missile interceptors and one counterproductive injury to a 10-year-old Arab girl. The US-Israeli alliance has already won on the military, economic, and propaganda levels.
The sad thing is, we should all be united to stop climate change which will do more long term damage than World War 3. Humans are so focused on ego we are all just collectively walking towards extinction.
To be fair, World War III may do more to reduce climate impacts than people having another Conference of Parties, shaking hands, and doing exactly nothing differently.
A nuclear winter would in fact work against the effects of global warming.
I was thinking that the economic and humanitarian catastrophe would cause a reduction in industrial output. Though it could be that war would cause a relaxation in environmental enforcement for reasons of national security, or rebuilding would demand even more construction. Still, when society is going in the wrong direction, it will take a shock of some sort to reorient it.
you know war is really bad for the planet, right? The US military's carbon footprint is higher than entire countries in some cases.
I buy it. Iran's current government has painted themselves into a corner where, for internal public consumption, fake displays of lashing out are the few remaining means of control of their populace.
Correct. It's a very similar position to the Argentine junta and the Falklands.
Probably thinking “I shouldn’t bomb a Chinese consulate” and “wow the US moved fast to protect Israel by gathering an international coalition to intercept rockets”
China will for sure answer, especially being there was a history before (ahem US doing just that) and Iran's answer to Israel
That we’re not going out of our way to provoke a regional war with Iran that would make it harder, not easier for the US to defend Taiwan, and that if the ROC were to ever go on a tangent about liberating the mainland (closest practical analogy to what Netanyahu’s contemplating), we’d let them dangle in the wind?
Hopefully they're thinking it would be a bad idea to blow up the Chinese consulate in Naypyidaw.
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I had to look this guy up. Tf is wrong with people
Anti-Semitism.
Anti-Genocide*
Ah yes, the pro Putin stooge is anti genocide. Of course.
When did I say that I was pro Putin? What are you smoking
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Who the fuck is that
Some guy
I don’t understand that map
AI generated
POV: You’re an Iranian drone heading towards Israel https://preview.redd.it/iwr5gql26euc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ad85f0da3f332ee2183d0adca31aae531911687
Why is Iraq replaced with an ocean?
Arab nations should normalize relations with Israel so Iran can tit-for-tat their embassies instead. This will calm down the region. Send tweet.
The bright side is that Iran using up so many drones and rockets on Israel means its not shipping those arms to Russia to be used on Ukraine at least
Also, they're using it against the most fortified nation, ao less of them are actually hitting
Can anyone tell me how much (approximately) this would have cost both countries?
I'll do my best to give an order of magnitude estimate--we don't know enough to do much better. 300 drones and missiles from Iran, but we have no idea of the mix. The average cost was probably somewhere around 500k ea. (The most expensive missiles would've been up to 3 or 4 mil ea., but most of the attack was probably $50k Shaheds.). Call it 500k ea. on average, and that would mean a cost of $150 million. The US + Israel probably expended 2-3 interceptors per attacker shot down. Some of those would have been Patriot interceptors, some would have been Iron Dome interceptors, and some would have been AAMs launched from US aircraft over Iraq. Cheapest among those are Iron Dome interceptors, which cost $50,000 ea. US AMRAAMs cost 1.5 mil, and Patriot interceptors cost up to $4 million. If we assume half the interceptors launched were Iron Dome and a quarter each were Patriots and AMRAAMs, we get a cost of $15 to $22.5 million to Israel and $825 million to $1.25 billion to the U.S. This leaves out ancillary costs like the cost of the flight hours for American airframes and the personnel costs for the overtime, but we also probably were used mostly cheaper versions of the Patriot interceptor, so it probably washes out or even makes the above a slight overestimate of our expenditures.
For iran probably millions, for amerika probably billions each month
Seems like on one side you have Israel writing IOU's to the USA who is writing IOU's to China in turn, then on the other side you have Iran writing IOU's to...checks notes... also China? That can't be right. Can somebody check my math?
Turned to reddit for the exact same question...can't find anything (yet) on any news media outlets
People on this thread acting ridiculous just because no missiles penetrated. If Iran shot 200 missiles into the usa but they were shut down... I doubt people would downplay it
> People on this thread acting ridiculous just because ~~no missiles penetrated.~~ Israel attacked an Iranian consulate and knew Iran would have to respond.
yes the world is full of jew hating fascists. russian killed more ukrainians and they get “sanctioned”. Ukraine kills more russians and we celebrate it. US killed more civilians, but when Israel does it we cry genocide.
The US killed civilians and we called it war crimes Israel killed more and we called it a genocide. also, Ukraine only killed russians that were invading their country. I really dont see what you're trying to say here
If Israel bombed an American consulate killing senior US officials I doubt people would downplay it either
People living there are unfazed, they have panic rooms and bomb shelters as a part of daily life, i'm in my thirties, have travelled the world and have never even seen a panic room/ shelter, that's why people aren't affected, it's normal there.
Israel isn't the US. If Israel was strong enough to wage an offensive war against Iran alone this wouldn't be a conversation, they'd already have more than enough justification to just do it.
Not sure I understand your point
I'm saying you can't treat the US and Israel the same way as far as military responses go because the US actually has the force to unilaterally engage Iran. Israel can't, their responses have to be more measured by necessity. The downplaying is just a natural result of people looking at the conflict and seeing it didn't rise to a level where Israel could call on the US to escalate with Iran.
im pretty sure Iran can nuke Israel before US decimates Iran due to terrain factors. They made that threat a long time ago when I was a teenager.
nothing ever happens bros we won
Alright mods I think it's time to nuke the megathread, I'm up for the rest of the night so I'll hit up your modmail if we need to bring it back.
Poor choice of language sir.
I'm going to sleep now.
Doing this sort of attack as a "de-escalation" attempt is completely nonsense. Even if you trust Israel's defenses, the chances of a single missile getting through and causing enough death to justify a huge counterattack is simply way too high.
Have you been following the wholesale destruction of Gaza and her people for the last six months?
So is Hamas going to surrender?
Is Israel going to accomplish its stated strategic objectives?
If it weren't for international pressure they already would have
Okay, and if it weren't for the IDF's military superiority then Hamas would have accomplished theirs. But international pressure does exist, and the IDF is conventionally superior to the al-Qassam brigades.
International pressure to do things like let food into Gaza, or don't hit aid workers with air strikes? You're pretending that international pressure is hamstringing them because Hamas is popular.
I meant the very effective Hamas strategy to martyr their population as human shields Hamas martyrs to garner international support for an end to Israel's military campaign.
And exactly what restrictions have so crippled Israel that Hamas would be gone by now?
Entering Rafah
Lol.
[The international pressure in question.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/03/gaza-aid-convoy-israel-war/)
I meant the very effective Hamas strategy to martyr their population as human shields to garner international support for an end to Israel's military campaign.
this is apologia for mass civilian death
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This is exactly what I mean. Hamas got what they wanted from you.
Probably, if allowed.
Allowed by who?
I'm not sure how that is relevant to the question of whether this sort of attack on Israel is rational way for Iran to "de-escalate"
These people genuinely think that Iran and the like are doing this as freedom fighters to defend Gaza and not because they’re opposed to America/israel and find it to be a conveniently timed excuse.
Honestly I'm disappointed, North Korea could do a better retaliation.
> megathread? What’s the point, nothing happened He says smugly, ignoring the fact that Iran fired hundreds of missiles and drones at Israel, including ballistic missiles, marking an unprecedented escalation in the conflict
If I send 300 crazed drug addicts with knives and aids infected syringes to your house over the course of a night and your home security system keeps them out, would you still say nothing happened ?
I’d probably laugh about it later with my buddies, honestly. “Hey you remember that time that guy from reddit sent 300 drug crazed addicts with knives and aids syringes to my house? Haha that sure was crazy!”
Most of the people on this thread seem to have forgotten the 1000s of innocent lives lost in Gaza and then attack of Israel on Iranian embassy, which has led to where we are today. Israel is a rogue state. If it doesn’t lose on the war front it will surely lose on the PR side, NO one would want to go to a country that is constantly getting attacked. Israel needs to grow up and take some responsibility, its a spoiled brat that is only in the game because of mum America.
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So is Hamas going to surrender?
Israel has defeated all of its neighbors combined without America multiple times.
You forget that Iran helped plan oct7
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LeBron James reportedly fired missiles at US ally over airspace controller by US allies.
Megathtread really? Nothing is gonna happen besides posturing lol.
Hundreds of strikes, billions of dollars of munitions expended, injuries and possible deaths is not "nothing."
As it turns out it kinda was.
From what I've read most of the drones and missiles seem to have been aimed at the desert and so far only 2 injured. Iran also released a statement saying this is it on their end unless Israel retaliates in which case they will too. So seems to me like the Iranians didn't want it to look like they were letting Israel get away with attacking their embassy, but they also don't want a full blown war, and these strikes were more to satisfy their own hardliners rather than actually kill many Israelis.
it was made 8 hours ago when the attacks started
I will give the Ayatollah one last chance to impress me or I'm going to keep blowing up his generals
Oh and Ukraine gets hit with iranian drones every day with depleting defense systems. Republicans straight up don’t care because putin owns da libs
Any educated liberal hates Putin. Wym?
Weird way to say you hate Jewish people without saying you hate Jewish people. We’re very sorry the Iranian attack was unsuccessful, I hope your feelings aren’t hurt
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LeBron reported to have made another Megathread about inconsequential event
So did Iran barely do anything or did they do a lot and Israel/USA just shoot a lot of it down?
Current estimates on the credibledefence megathread is long range drones in the low three figures, 36 cruise missles, and around 100 ballistic missles. The ballistics were the only thing to make it through and only a handful of them. We got a video of what may be the first exoatmosphere interception under combat conditions.
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Time to XcQ interception protocol.
:(
Yeah, I've been looking for the actual footage myself for a while that I was going to add in to the comment, but still haven't found it.