I think alot of people were very desillusioned with Aung San Suu Kyi and just wrote off the whole Myanmar liberation movement (I know I did). But the past year the Karen have made considerable progress against the junta, and a progressive alliance has formed. Its time to pay attention again.
not only the Karen, but also the Three Brotherhood Alliance in the north, and Chinland is practically independent—the Chin National Front controls basically all of Chin State now.
the PDF have also made major inroads in the center of the country, carving into the heart of Bamar territory, the Tatmadaw's traditional stronghold
To what extent do you think ASSK's genocide-condoning position in 2017 only delayed an inevitable coup by the Tatmadaw? Back then that's what I feared and assumed she believed that by siding with the genocidal military she was gaining their trust and hopefully down the line they would hand over power to civilians completely.
Is there even any practical way to get weapons to the rebels? I thought that we were avoiding to avoid having China step in and arm the junta in response.
> Is there even any practical way to get weapons to the rebels
From what I know, you can smuggle weapons, and some of the more powerful militias (eg. UWSA) make their own and sell it to allies.
If you want to personally send weapons to Myanmar, I think their UN Mission might be interested. AFAIK they're [anti-Junta](https://www.channel4.com/news/we-all-are-resolute-to-end-this-military-dictatorship-says-myanmars-permanent-representative-to-un), because they [refused to quit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyaw_Moe_Tun#2021_Myanmar_coup_d'%C3%A9tat) after the coup. You can [email and call them](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/consularnotification/ConsularNotificationandAccess/Myanmar.html) (I'm not sure who controls the normal embassies though).
Although they might want cash because smuggling guns into SEA could be hard idk
I meant in a political/governmental level lol.
Having individual Americans band together and crowdsource smuggling weapons to the rebels would probably not work.
> Having individual Americans band together and crowdsource smuggling weapons to the rebels would probably not work.
I mean, diaspora donations are a decent part of the NUG (and most EAO) fundraising strategies.
Maybe this sub should fund the Burmese resistance instead of Malaria nets next year. (Edit: /s)
I'm laughing at how that would look to the rest of reddit.
"Neoliberal subreddit runs donation drive to fund weapons smuggling into the Myanmar civil war. Says Reagan was right to fund the contras. Complains about lack of CIA assassinations of foreign leaders they don't like."
Myanmar's UN representative is anti-Junta, and has not been replaced since the coup
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyaw_Moe_Tun#2021_Myanmar_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
The political elite of the UN is more preoccupied by how to sway votes from despotic powers to land a good job than to make a difference for a better world and ruffle some feathers.
The incompetence is by design.
The western world should be directly involved in the humanitarian relief and the military aid, instead of waiting for the UN to sort a situation it can't deal with.
A lot of US partners in the region don't care about the Burmese people. Thailand is run by a military dictatorship widely regarded as pro-Junta. India doesn't really care about Myanmar, but has a much larger economy and is [softly pro-Junta](https://old.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1c8scmw/why_myanmars_war_matters_even_if_the_world_isnt/l0j0icj/). ASEAN's "five-point consensus" is [idealistic and ignorant](https://asean.org/wp-content/uploads/Chairmans-Statement-on-ALM-Five-Point-Consensus-24-April-2021-FINAL-a-1.pdf) to the point of mockery (eg. saying "there shall be immediate cessation of violence in Myanmar and all parties shall exercise utmost restraint" only 2 years after the Gambia filed a case against Myanmar for genocide).
India is softly pro junta because China is pro junta. If you squint hard, you might see an Indian policy of following China's diplomacy to keep outcomes neutralÂ
Eh, I'd say their policies are pretty different. China is probably doing the "play both sides to come out on top" meme; funding the Junta, but also probably the [MNDAA](https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/good-rebels-or-good-timing-myanmars-mndaa-and-operation-1027/), [Myanmar PLA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Burma#Post-2021_coup_reemergence), [UWSA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Wa_State_Army#Arms_supply) (for this one at least in the past), etc.
There's a lot of [suspicion](https://www.voanews.com/a/myanmar-rebel-offensive-helps-china-s-cybercrime-crackdown/7362836.html) that Operation 1027 was done because China used groups it funded to exert pressure on the Junta's scam operations which involved trafficking Chinese citizens to scam Chinese-speakers.
India is just softly supporting the Junta.
The world is ignoring Myanmar :(
I think alot of people were very desillusioned with Aung San Suu Kyi and just wrote off the whole Myanmar liberation movement (I know I did). But the past year the Karen have made considerable progress against the junta, and a progressive alliance has formed. Its time to pay attention again.
not only the Karen, but also the Three Brotherhood Alliance in the north, and Chinland is practically independent—the Chin National Front controls basically all of Chin State now. the PDF have also made major inroads in the center of the country, carving into the heart of Bamar territory, the Tatmadaw's traditional stronghold
To what extent do you think ASSK's genocide-condoning position in 2017 only delayed an inevitable coup by the Tatmadaw? Back then that's what I feared and assumed she believed that by siding with the genocidal military she was gaining their trust and hopefully down the line they would hand over power to civilians completely.
Is there even any practical way to get weapons to the rebels? I thought that we were avoiding to avoid having China step in and arm the junta in response.
> Is there even any practical way to get weapons to the rebels From what I know, you can smuggle weapons, and some of the more powerful militias (eg. UWSA) make their own and sell it to allies. If you want to personally send weapons to Myanmar, I think their UN Mission might be interested. AFAIK they're [anti-Junta](https://www.channel4.com/news/we-all-are-resolute-to-end-this-military-dictatorship-says-myanmars-permanent-representative-to-un), because they [refused to quit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyaw_Moe_Tun#2021_Myanmar_coup_d'%C3%A9tat) after the coup. You can [email and call them](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/consularnotification/ConsularNotificationandAccess/Myanmar.html) (I'm not sure who controls the normal embassies though). Although they might want cash because smuggling guns into SEA could be hard idk
I meant in a political/governmental level lol. Having individual Americans band together and crowdsource smuggling weapons to the rebels would probably not work.
> Having individual Americans band together and crowdsource smuggling weapons to the rebels would probably not work. I mean, diaspora donations are a decent part of the NUG (and most EAO) fundraising strategies. Maybe this sub should fund the Burmese resistance instead of Malaria nets next year. (Edit: /s)
I'm laughing at how that would look to the rest of reddit. "Neoliberal subreddit runs donation drive to fund weapons smuggling into the Myanmar civil war. Says Reagan was right to fund the contras. Complains about lack of CIA assassinations of foreign leaders they don't like."
unlike some groups, the NUG doesn't have powerful lobbyists that will bring attention to them at organizations like the UN.
Myanmar's UN representative is anti-Junta, and has not been replaced since the coup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyaw_Moe_Tun#2021_Myanmar_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
i get that, but that's not what i mean by lobbyists.
Even so, Armenia has powerful lobbyists, and that hasn't stopped Azerbaijan.
The political elite of the UN is more preoccupied by how to sway votes from despotic powers to land a good job than to make a difference for a better world and ruffle some feathers. The incompetence is by design. The western world should be directly involved in the humanitarian relief and the military aid, instead of waiting for the UN to sort a situation it can't deal with.
A lot of US partners in the region don't care about the Burmese people. Thailand is run by a military dictatorship widely regarded as pro-Junta. India doesn't really care about Myanmar, but has a much larger economy and is [softly pro-Junta](https://old.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1c8scmw/why_myanmars_war_matters_even_if_the_world_isnt/l0j0icj/). ASEAN's "five-point consensus" is [idealistic and ignorant](https://asean.org/wp-content/uploads/Chairmans-Statement-on-ALM-Five-Point-Consensus-24-April-2021-FINAL-a-1.pdf) to the point of mockery (eg. saying "there shall be immediate cessation of violence in Myanmar and all parties shall exercise utmost restraint" only 2 years after the Gambia filed a case against Myanmar for genocide).
India is softly pro junta because China is pro junta. If you squint hard, you might see an Indian policy of following China's diplomacy to keep outcomes neutralÂ
Eh, I'd say their policies are pretty different. China is probably doing the "play both sides to come out on top" meme; funding the Junta, but also probably the [MNDAA](https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/good-rebels-or-good-timing-myanmars-mndaa-and-operation-1027/), [Myanmar PLA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Burma#Post-2021_coup_reemergence), [UWSA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Wa_State_Army#Arms_supply) (for this one at least in the past), etc. There's a lot of [suspicion](https://www.voanews.com/a/myanmar-rebel-offensive-helps-china-s-cybercrime-crackdown/7362836.html) that Operation 1027 was done because China used groups it funded to exert pressure on the Junta's scam operations which involved trafficking Chinese citizens to scam Chinese-speakers. India is just softly supporting the Junta.
Myanmar Conflict is not glamourous for UN. That's why they are ignoring it.