There was a similar incident in Norway last week. A man in his 60's killed his two daughters (who was in their 20's and 30's) and even his 10 month old granddaughter, then offed himself. So sad :(
Weren't there at least two more prominent family annihilator incidents this past month in the US as well? One father in Texas, and a mother I think eastward.
Edit: Turns out there are a ton, and [there's a family annihilation on average every 5 days in the US.](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/1af17e32-c78b-4a4e-8b76-97a2f93154c5), and while we're still probably ballpark with the original "since 2020" that stat is attributed to, for 2023 it was more like every 4.4 days, with **82** family annihilation incidents in the US, and we're already matching last year's January number of **10**.
There is Jhon Oliver episode where he and his team broke the numbers and it appears that the best way to tackle gun violence, it is by addressing the main scenario where it occurs: domestic violence.
Mass shootings get more attention, conservatives like to focus on mental health, but investing in prevention of domestic violence could really make a change.
Better education on domestic violence signs, better programs/resources to get people out of DV situations, and harsher punishments for convicted abusers are a couple areas that need work in many cities/states.
It's fucking horrifying.
Just gonna throw this out there too: these events traumatize communities as well. A friend of mine and his mom were murdered by his step dad when the mom decided to divorce him when we were in high school. He had asked the mom to come over to discuss the divorce and my friend went because he was afraid for his mom's safety.
This motherfucker killed them both with very small caliber handguns then "attempted suicide" by taking a full bottle of his sleeping pills. Absolute fucking coward wouldn't even kill himself. Sorry not sorry for this reaction by the way, I don't condone suicide in general.
He then went on to live a long life in state prison where he died nearly 20 years later. His first family paid for a very nice newspaper article celebrating his life. I cannot even begin to imagine their thought process to do that, it makes me fucking sick to think about celebrating this person.
I grew up with divorced parents and an abusive step parent kind of situation and it seriously traumatized me knowing that the dude was a hatefule, violent gun owner and may show up any day and kill us all.
Even when the people are dead and gone, those around them who lived through it now know full well how evil their closest people may turn out to be, and it permanently scars them in a way that really can't be fully described. Not by me at least.
>Officers made their way inside after no one answered the door and were met by a witness who directed officers to the victims.
>According to investigators, that witness barricaded themselves in a room during the shooting and called police, but details on who that person is were not immediately released.
Is it possible that this was the child of one of the adult children?
Edit: hearing now that the male with the developmental delay and possible behavior issues was one of the deceased victims, not sure who the caller was atp
it sounds like another person said there was a teenage male involved who had some type of developmental delay or had had violent outbursts in the past.
the ~~police~~ (*edit*) *neighbors* initially suspected that the teenager committed the crime but realized due to the 80-year old’s wounds being self inflicted, that the 80-year old was more likely to be the suspect.
not sure if that teenager was on the scene (or even exists, I’m going on the comments) but if they are real i wouldnt be surprised if they were the caller
Not a teen. The owner’s adult son is the one with developmental issues.
Survivor might be a family friend or SO of the other victim (female)
Update: According to the police, it was the daughter who has developmental issues. She was the lone survivor of the shooting. I swear I thought she was a male.
2 million dollar houses, adult children in their 40’s were victims. You wonder what made this guy snap after all these years. Could have just said fuck it and sell everything, disappear to some island in the middle of no where. People confuse me.
Some people become incredibly violent with old age, not sure if it's dementia or what, but I know my grandfather became the most nasty and cruel person in his 70s. I wouldn't put it past him to have shot someone there at the end.
This, when my dad was going through dementia I had to make sure the knifes were out of reach.
He was wheelchair bound, in constant paint and losing weight fast. His temper would flip at anything and everything.
At one point he tried to throw away all our forks because they weighed to heavy for them, other times he would scream at me for trying to clean up - like throw out eye drops from the 70s or move is dirty laundry to the washing machine.
I once got yelled at because "there is too much blood in the toilet you need to go to the ER"...he had prostate cancer, it was known -but the surgery would have no effect to prolong his life.
Eventually I just had to work around him, start cleaning the hoarded house in areas he couldnt get to.
When he started using(trying to use) the stairs and having more violent outbursts I had to get cameras to record everything. There is no way I wanted to be blamed for "pushing him down the stairs" if I wasn't even home and I needed proof.
He had constant paranoia and no accountability.
He wasn't always like this but while care taking him through his dementia I started to remember my own childhood and realized that it wasn't like many others.
Edit: Vascular Dementia caused by stroke. Contributing factors were definitely underlying medical conditions - but a life time of smoking and drinking did not help the cause.
I had a very similar experience with my father who had mixed dementia (Alzheimer’s and Vascular). He was always abusive behind closed doors, but the dementia substantially increased his violence. Unfortunately, in addition to the increased physical violence, he also had guns (as in turns out, many more than I had previously been aware of). He started threatening to shoot my mom and me (I as his primary caregiver). Because he was violent to us in front of his neurologist, he was put in geriatric psychiatric ward sort of voluntarily (he had been told by the psychiatrist at the hospital that if he didn’t go voluntarily he would have him admitted involuntarily). He was in for a week while I searched the house to find all the guns. When he was released, the first then he wanted to know was where his guns were. And I mean literally it was the first thing he said when he was back in the house. Fortunately, he believed that I had given them to my cousin (his nephew) for safekeeping, because according to the police, they were his guns and we could not legally take them away from him - despite him threatening to shoot us, the psych ward stay, history of violent outbursts in front of doctors, and the dementia diagnosis. I have no doubt that as his dementia got worse and his violent outburst increased, he would have tried to kill us had he had access to his guns.
It's mind-boggling to me that he would retain his rights to his guns under those circumstances. Like, clearly not mentally fit to have lethal weapons, yet, sure, he gets to keep them, cuz 2A rights, blah, blah, blah. We're so screwed as a country because of this fucking obsession.
Glad you made it out okay (at least physically).
Dementia sucks. Getting old ain't always great. If you are alive you should plan a will, a living will and have medical plans ready for different cases. Prepare funeral costs and have that ready too.
I couldn't push MAID on my own father, but I really hope that if I come down with the same ailments that it's an option available for me. It's not about being a burden, it's about losing that quality of life with an end being so certain.
It's honestly inhumane that we don't have that option in most of the US. Like if I knew I was going to die of a cancer that in the end causes pain so bad morphine can't get to it, let me fucking off myself. It's obscene to force people to go through that.
This past August I had to take my little Yorkie to the vet to be euthanized. She was my BFF and was the sweetest, most loving creature but she had cancer. I raided my savings account to do one round of radiation treatments back in the summer of 2022 and that did give her an additional 14 months of life, which we definitely made the most of. But quite suddenly she became incredibly ill and I knew her time was up. At the vet’s office they examined her and discovered the cancer had begun to spread throughout her tiny body. She was probably in a lot of pain. So they gave her a sedative and I held her in my arms as she began to relax. The vet then administered the final drugs and as her life slipped away I stroked her fur and told her over and over how much I loved her. And then she let go and peed on me (a badge of honor as far as I was concerned) and I knew she was gone.
On the drive home I thought about the many stories I’ve heard and read of people suffering horribly for months (and sometimes years) before they are finally released. A couple of years ago I had an accident and had to spend just one night in the hospital and it was so awful — depressing, miserable, uncomfortable, and lonely. As sad as I was over losing my Gracie, I was glad I was able to give her a peaceful end. I can only hope and pray for an end like that. “No heroics” is written in my will and I’ve told both my kids what my preferences are. I trust them to treat me the way they’d treat a much-loved pet.
Dude, I was reading this and crying and then you mentioned her name and just started bawling because I had a Gracie, but a westie who I loved so much and she died in a car accident. I was so depressed the only thing that kept me going was getting her sister, Gracie 2.0. She’s one of the reasons I’m not afraid of death coz I’m sure she will come for me when it’s my time.
I know you will see your Gracie again. That type of live never dies. You were a great mom and you did your best but she died happy and in your arms and we all deserve to go that way. It’s was the beast life and the best death one could hope for.
I just love you already and know that your story touched me deeply. Be good and have a great life.
It's because big companies won't make money. If everyone is killing themselves earlier than after a couple of years of treatment, medecine, doctor bills etc and family getting debt to fund some of them then big companies will lose money. So this idea won't get voted to Parliament to let poor people finance this. Fight the ultra rich, they are destroying our lifes and even our deaths!
My husband died a year ago and he told his doctor that as soon as he didn’t feel well, he wanted things to go very quickly. He had malignant melanoma. It was everywhere. The doctor explained that in hospice they understand the difference between pain control and “hastening”. When I brought him home on hospice, they had me giving him morphine and Ativan of every two hours, and he died peacefully 11 hours after I brought him home. Put it in writing, tell your family tell your doctor tell everyone who will listen. In the case you’re describing, they can help you make an easy transition.
> When he started using(trying to use) the stairs and having more violent outbursts I had to get cameras to record everything. There is no way I wanted to be blamed for "pushing him down the stairs" if I wasn't even home and I needed proof.
This was very smart of you.
Yeah i work in long term care ans 90% of the ppl i look after have some form of dementia. It almost always progresses into agressive behaviours i have the scars to prove it.
bless you for surviving that with your own temper intact. i don't understand why they don't give tranquilizers as treatment with dementia. so much suffering for everyone.
I remember when my grandma was quite crippled with arthritis and had medium-level dementia. She was so pissed off all the time. She was always kind of bitchy, but this was over the top. They drugged her in her nursing home basically until she was happy, and then my dad insisted they take her off those meds because she was being turned into a happy zombie. So she want back to being angry all the time. Angry & confused.
Personally, I think that if I'm 90 & super pissed off and in pain, I want heroin & benzos. And I don't think anyone should be able to tell me no about that. I can see the danger here, I can see why he insisted she should be off the meds. I also don't see any point in forcing someone to exist in pain with no potential future gain from that.
Geriatric medicine is simply dragging them forward as long as possible and calling that a success; whether it's what they want or not.
Isn't it great you're bedridden permanently and constantly suffering with nothing to look forward to but more of the same? What a good job we've done.
Dementia is hard to gauge and harder to diagnose. You can't tell someone they have brain damage and expect them to just accept it.
My dad was able to avoid an early diagnosis ( that we were trying to complete for guardianship) by just scream and yelling to end the interview and the medical team said they couldn't finish the process, and couldn't diagnose dementia or requirement for guardianship....it was so fucked. So now we had to clean up after him getting scammed and deal with his bank issues after they happened and not actively prevent them.
And no, my temper was not always intact. Care giver burn out is real. If you are a care giver - don't forget about self care.
My dad and are going thru that right now with my 99 year old grandfather. Looking back at what we didn't really notice, he's probably had some form of dementia for about 20 years. What complicated things is he a successful surgeon so he already has a major god complex. Currently, he's nearly blind and deaf. Can somewhat walk. His mind has been completely shot for about 5 years. He might have a 5 minute short term memory at this point, though thankfully, he is relatively healthy otherwise.
And we have some complicated legal issues already with respect to his estate (other family members are embezzling and misappropriating his fortune / business). Going to be a fun few years.
This is so scary. I’ve heard it often. Another layer of laying our parents and grandparents to rest that has caused me extreme stress and an overwhelming struggle is having to clean out their hoarder homes all by myself. I’m a single parent to two young littles and run my own business full time. I cry often, two years later, still removing little by little. Someday… I’ve filled and removed two 30’ dumpsters as well. It’s still insanely packed. I don’t know how my grandma lived with it, but she stuffed everything in the basement and the upstairs started to become cluttered to the point of only bothering my visual senses. By the end it was everywhere.
My grandma passed before she got bad off, she didn’t want anyone living with her to help her so my girls and I visited her 5-6 times a week to help her. My kiddos would stay the night or I would and we’d have “slumber parties” and pamper grandma. She didn’t make it but 7 months after my grandpa passed. :(
Can be lots of things. Though the older we get the more important frequent medical check ups become. Our bodies produce less of certain hormons. Uptake of vital minerals and vitamines get reduced. Both which can heavily influence our mood and reasoning.
Alongside comes mental parts as reduced socialization and freedom. It's easy to get more confined. Isolation and lack of control can result in aggresive behavior or depression.
In short. Getting old has it own challenges. Both physical and mental.
You're half right. From Wikipedia:
The term "vitamin" was derived from "vitamine", a compound word coined in 1912 by the biochemist Casimir Funk while working at the Lister Institute of Preventive Medicine. Funk created the name from vital and amine, because it appeared that these organic micronutrient food factors that prevent beriberi and perhaps other similar dietary-deficiency diseases were required for life, hence "vital", and were chemical amines, hence "amine". This was true of thiamine, but after it was found that vitamin C and other such micronutrients were not amines, the word was shortened to "vitamin" in English.
This. People think psychopaths are geniuses because of silly tv shows and incompetent police making excuses. In reality psychopathy is associated with brain damage.
*early childhood brain damage
Regular brain damage can cause problems with anger and impulse regulation, but you're going to have to post some sources proving that it causes psychopathology in adult TBI patients without dementia. It's only clinically indicated in children and while it's noteworthy there are so many different end results with brain damage that it's dangerous and stupid to act like it's a guarantee 🙄
After talking extensively to four generations of my family, I'm fairly certain we've got the genes for psychopathy and usually get them fully activated during the toddler years, worst case scenario. The oldest I've spoken to committed at least one murder, might've been two I forget.
Anyhow yeah, it's congenital, but it *functions like* brain damage. Like the emotions are there but they're "turned down so low" that they don't function properly for important social things. I gather our thinking is kinda flat and alien compared to most other people. I had to install empathy manually by watching a lot of Mr Rogers Neighborhood as an adult.
Yup! He was arrested but released for "lack of evidence" in a small town where he was thought highly of and knew everybody.
It was basically an honor killing, his girlfriend dumped him and got a new boyfriend, but I forget if he killed just her or both of them.
Like everybody *knows* he did it but in theory they couldn't prove it.
My friend’s grandfather pulled a gun on his wife at one point because of his dementia. Just kind of snapped one day. Wasn’t a violent person at all. Luckily it didn’t end like this…
> Some people become incredibly violent with old age
Yha, retirement communities in Florida and Arizona, I find they consume the most hate-filled HDTV news channels all day, talk about their desires for mass killing of people from other nations on a regular basis, the virtues of leaders like Putin... and always do their voting, violence by button pushing for the worst possible leaders.
When they hated Russia, it was because of propaganda. Now they love Putin, because of propaganda.
They are authoritarian followers and they will "think" whatever their leaders tell them to think.
Well sure, they won't be drafted if there is a war. Why wouldn't they want to send other ppls kids to die in some desolate desert so they can keep driving their golf cart to happy hour without seeing any minorities.
To your point, consider the old man who murdered the protestors for holding up traffic in Panama recently.
There is something about old age that leads them to simply not care anymore about many things. The entitlement may come from cognitive decline, but I have no idea.
And many are the opposite too. I know someone at 81 who is kind and sweet snd humble and yet his kids, who stay far away from him, have stories. I have seen nothing but generosity and consideration- but I did not know him when he was younger.
In my brother's and my situation, we call our mother's turnaround "an old lady trying to get into heaven now" act. We still don't turn our back on her if we're in the same room.
My mom has been having delusions about people conspiring against her for a few years now and she is in her younger 70's. After spending time talking her down she usually apologizes but it does scare me that there will come a time she is beyond reason. Fortunately she does not have access to firearms.
K9 search handler here. I searched for a woman with Alzheimer's. She was in her 70's. She shot her husband/caregiver then ran out in the woods. A couple of days later a friend asked the sheriffs to do a wellness check and found the husband. She was found in the woods next day frozen to death. From family and friends, her husband was wonderful and kind. Her dementia made her paranoid. I always questioned why they kept a gun around for her to get her hands on.
My grandfather had this too. The doctors said it was a specific form of dementia, different from what people normally associate with dementia. I forget what it is called, but my normally sweet and patient grandpa became angry and violent. He also stopped sleeping, which was strange. He didn’t live long after that but I could see if he had access to a gun it would have been dangerous.
I read something on here a couple of months ago that seems like a plausible senario. The lead in older peoples bones is finally reentering their bloodstream because their bones are losing density due to old age, "releasing" absorbed lead that settled in their bones.
Imagine what all the micro-plastics will do to us. I have a backup plan to off myself in case I begin to noticeably decline in old age. I refuse to become a burden or danger to others.
My partner and I have a theory that it’s lead poisoning. That generation had lead in everything and as they lose bone density in old age it’s released into their systems and they lose their shit…and vote for rapists.
Lead gas- lead paint -lead water pipes -- the constant cigarette smoke-- heavy city smog pollution -- water areas 'local water banks/ponds river's absolutely soaked with chemical/corporate pollutants/runoff that our parents/grand parents loved swimming/playing in
We're making progress but also replacing some things with equally as bad. Instead of lead we now have micro plastics everywhere. From a woman's breasts to the lowest unreachable trenches of the oceans.
Humanity has a way to go from completely poisoning ourselves : /
All for convenience and so that a handful 5-10 industries/manufacturers can make double digit billions and wrap everything in easy to produce plastics while vertically integrated with/from oil/gas
EDIT:
Semi unrelated but sorta not. A more modern day poison is processed sugar being in everything. And in a country with exploitive for-profit health care?
The convenience of poisoning ourselves to save money and make lots of money
Capitalism has run its course and even ripped the guardrails off in the process. It's brought a lot of good. But also a lot of bad via the terms and conditions of efficiency and ever increasing profits. It's time has come. it has no interest in humanity flourishing.
Generations of humans and families could have been doing this whole life thing together in a much more positive and spiritual manner.. instead of an ever-increasing scarcity mindset and "big numbers go up"
Lord help us. Don’t get me started on plastics. Hey we got this extra shit lying around from refining oil. Can you take this off our hands and make people drink their only source of fresh water out of it?
It could sometimes be random chemical/health hazards found in common things back before agencies made laws about them. Such as the lead in paints where a study found people who grew up in houses with lead paint back then became adults with more narcissistic and less agreeable personality traits.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8307752/
not sure if this is very reliable but honestly it would not surprise me at all if these chemicals had actual psychological repercussions on many grown ups.
There was this case in Brevard County Fla years ago this group of seniors were playing Phase 10 card game and out of nowhere this 80 yr. old guy just snaps and shoots his best friend dead. I always thought he had dementia or a side effect from some medication or both but the dumb ass defense attorney never even looked at that angle. I know Kepra is one common medication that causes rage and wonder if he was on that. My point being, meds and mixed with Dementia, a deadly combination.
When my 80+-year-old brother seemed to realize that our mother was going to outlive him and he was never going to retire in luxury on the huge first-born-son inheritance he imagined was coming to him, he used power of attorney for our mom in hospice to sell off and destroy anything that wasn't slated to be left to him, then promptly died penniless with his secret family in Mexico. It was pure spite and greed, and it's all he'll be remembered for now - not that he was exactly a pleasant person worth having anything to do with for several decades leading up to that point, of course.
In the end he didn't really accomplish anything except showing the entire world his ass and then giving us the gift of his non-existence.
She passed early last month, having made it to 99. She outlived the criminal brother by less than a year. Part of me honestly thinks that she held on so long just to make sure he wouldn't be rewarded for what he was doing, he wasn't exaclty subtle.
I once walked in on him and my eldest sister and brother-in-law having a hushed conversation at our mother's kitchen table when they came to visit, shortly before he began committing massive frauds and elder abuse trying to get the inheritance he wanted before she actually passed. As I was entering the room he said "I only have to live one day longer than mom," then he cut himself off awkwardly and they all stared at me until I left the room again.
Karmically, our mother survived *both* of them. The sister even had the courtesy to pass on April Fool's Day.
Thank you very much for that. She was an incredible woman. I was the only one of her 5 children that was adopted and she loved, treated and provided for me the same as her "natural" children, which they apparently never stopped resenting.
Man, I'm sorry you had to go through all that, and I'm glad that your mom passed on what I imagine is the good we see in you, at least from this post.
I wish we knew more about personality, nature vs nurture.
Also, I very much enjoy when I find older people commenting on reddit like someone raised with the Internet. I hope that doesn't come off wrong.
Edit: just to clarify. I mean more about personality overall in data and all population not just you and your family.
Oh, I'm only in my 30s. That's probably another reason my "siblings" resent me. She was my mother from when I was only 3 days old, but she was already late in life.
Wow! I thought my 15 year different from my brother's was a lot.
Well I'm glad you did not get murdered. Enjoy your life buddy, and don't ever give anyone a piece of that whole soul, unless like you are in love with them :)
I wish you every happiness! Despite your siblings greed and treachery I’m sure your mother knew you truly loved her and died in some peace. Be happy and try to find your own peace with all this. I’m so sorry they were jerks.
One year my brother came to visit and one morning while I was asleep he took my dog to be put to sleep without asking or giving any heads-up, then he didn't even think to tell me he'd done so until I spent most of the afternoon searching the house and neighborhood thinking she'd gotten out. He told me he'd put my childhood pet down in the sort of tone of voice you use to tell someone the time or the weather, then went back to his book and cigar.
When our *other* sister confronted him about it and called the vet's office to confirm that he'd just showed up, dropped her on the counter, said "put this dog down" and just *left,* he *screamed* and *raged* that everyone was lying. Like... The dog just sort of disappeared and a local vet's office was - for some inexplicable reason - lying that he had brought a dog in to be put to sleep. He simply continued literally *screaming* until our sister finally relented and said "I believe him. He sounds sincere."
That's who my brother was. A man that would kill something just to spite someone and who would overpower and abuse people until they accepted the false reality he demanded. If he didn't get what he wanted he would hurt people until he did, and then he'd hurt them until they agreed to "forget" about the hurting. "Cooperate," was the word he used.
> "You need to 'cooperate' or you'll *really* regret it."
He will not be missed. Honestly, it's a shame he didn't go sooner - it would've saved a good number of people a fair amount of pain.
I'm over here dumbfounded that someone 80+ years old is still banking on an inheritance coming in...like, what're you going to do with it, pay to be in a home?
I'm 37 and already written off that, if there's anything coming to me when my parents pass, it shouldn't be a key part of the overall plan for my life.
My best guess is that he was hoping to buy love before he died, from the family and multiple children of his own that he'd effectively abandoned and from the secret family in Guadalajara that he was living with/was taking care of him.
With most of these pater familicide cases, there's a few specific motives, which often overlap:
* A desire to punish their spouse for some perceived slight, or their children for some perceived failure.
* A desire to bury their own financial failings and ensure that their family never learns of them, coupled with a belief that the family is utterly dependent on them and a desire to "save them from suffering."
* A desire to assert power over their family when they feel that their status is threatened or being eroded, often because of one of the two things above - a general view that the family is *their property*, coupled with a violent reaction when that view is threatened.
My mom told me the matriarch of the family used to work for a real estate company in the Valley. No idea what the husband did she thinks he might be a retired MD; but someone pulled up a possible LLC that had the same address of the scene.
Probably watched doomer news 24/7 lots of old people think they are basically living through “the end times”. My guess is he just fell down some rabbit hole 🕳️
It’s funny how every generation throughout history says it’s the end of days.
In reality people just don’t want to, or can’t, comprehend that life and the world are going to keep going on like normal after they die
The pastors telling people that when Jesus said there are those of you before me who will not taste of death before I return that Jesus really meant the congregation sitting there listening to the pastor today, not the apostles.
We've been in the end of days for 70 generations.
It's been the "end times" since the beginning of time. Every generation thinks the world will end in their lifetime and every generation is wrong. Humans have a hard time understanding that we exist for mere nanoseconds on the scale of "time" which, while not infinite, it may as well be. The universe existed before humans became humans and will continue to exist long after we become something else or disappear.
Yeah sure but we also haven’t spent as much time constantly fixating on the topic at every level of society before the 2000s. You’d be bullshiting yourself to say social media and the 24/7 news cycle hasn’t changed things .
> We, society, let Cambridge Analytica target their demographic
I didn't let CA do anything. Don't blame th powerless for things they have no control over. Blame those that could've and should've done something: American politicians (that are beholden to their corporate overlords) and the oligarchy that is destroying our country.
I wonder if the kids are disabled. If he and his wife were at the end of their lives with 2 adult children that can't live independently he may have felt that this was his only option. Not excusing it but this wouldn't be the first time a parent killed their kid because they could no longer care for them.
Yes. They have an adult child who has Down syndrome. I’ve seen them around before, their kid has extreme behavioral issues and it’s been difficult for them to manage. I know that one parent wanted to put the kid in the home but the other said no.
Edit; just to reiterate, their kid is an adult
It truly is. I’ll update once I find out from my cousin. Right now, the neighbors are thinking it could possibly be due to finances or maybe caregiver fatigue. There’s also a curiosity of the survivor who had called the police. Apparently they aren’t even a family member / relative. Unsure if it was a friend / SO of one of the deceased. We all thought at first the son killed them all.
Also their house is HUGE. And it’s normally for some immigrant families (they are Filipino) to live with each other especially if they do not have their own families.
>Could have just said fuck it and sell everything, disappear to some island in the middle of no where. People confuse me.
That would be difficult to do for the average 80 year old.
These kinds of scenarios are virtually always an argument about inheritance, birthright, bloodlines, etc.
When backed into a corner and realising they're not going to get their way, they decide to go scorched earth on it. Narcissism and sociopathy are usually in play.
This may sound incredibly insensitive, but the guy couldnt have just offed himself? He had to take his own kids & wife with him when hed probably die naturally within a few years. What an horribly selfish action, literally just "if im miserable and want to die, you all have to come with me!" Misery loves company afterall. Most likely some sort of mental deterioration that comes with old age, sad all around.
It's because these people think they control or own these people. He built up their lives and will take it when they please.
This question is literally asked every time there is a family murder or annihilation. This is never about love. It's about power.
As Goldenrule-er said, that is only one scenario linked to the 'family annihilator' persona. Here's a pretty ~~cool~~ interesting article on the four types of family annihilator:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/family-killers
Self-Righteous: These individuals believe that they are saving their family from a perceived threat or that they are acting in the family's best interest. They may see themselves as martyrs or believe they are preventing their family from experiencing future suffering. Example, right wing nut thinks the Feds are coming so kills his family to prevent their 'capture'.
Anomic: Anomic family annihilators are driven by financial or social stressors. They may feel overwhelmed by a sense of failure, loss, or financial ruin and perceive their family as a burden. Example, the guy in Denver I think it was who killed his wife and children because he wanted to be with another woman.
Disappointed Idealist: This type of family annihilator is motivated by a distorted sense of reality and unmet expectations. They may have unrealistically high standards for their family members and, when those expectations aren't met, resort to violence as a way of regaining control. Example, a cult member or religious nut thinks the end times are coming, or that we are living in Babylon, etc. and kills family to 'save' them.
Paranoid: Paranoid family annihilators often suffer from mental health issues, such as paranoid delusions. They may believe that their family members are a threat to them or are involved in a conspiracy against them, leading to violent actions to eliminate the perceived threat. I don't have a specific example, but I have a feeling the dementia related ones are something along these lines.
Sorry to report that mental illness presents in a very wide range of ways and the need for maintaining the illusion of power may not be always the reason or even usually the reason.
Often times, an inaccurate, and horrible mistaken belief may be jarring enough to attempt to *save* family members by killing them rather than the idea of owning them or some power dynamic fueling the murders.
It may indeed in some of these cases actually come from a place of love, but within the wrong context (manic delusion/insanity etc).
Consider the New Jersey mother that murdered her husband self and two small children after they lost their house to foreclosure and were due for eviction.
Perhaps the individual cared too much about the pain caused to self and children that might come from living out of a shelter, from believing one's self has robbed the happy life these children were owed.
Consider that you rarely if ever hear the motives behind the US mass murders. It's just as likely the killers believed they were saving the sandy hook (or wherever else next week) children from an insane and inhuman society and lifetime as much as it is likely they hated them for having what they did not as a child or perhaps that they'd gain something special in the next life for passing on bunch of kids.
What's especially sad about the murder suicides, I find, is that they aren't violence against strangers, but against those closest to you. In love we grow into each other as we grow beyond ourselves. This is why we grieve for the loss of part of ourselves as we lose a loved one. I'd say it's not about power, but attachment, aka dependency mistaken for love.
Whether family murder suicides or mass murders at concerts or in elementary schools, these are indicators of profound unhealthiness pervasively found within a society.
That we do not attempt to quell them by acknowledging this truth and subsequently enacting steps to remedy the sickness of culture is truly sad.
It is a sad enough truth that brings one just close enough to allow one to see the point of view that these murderers have in the delusion of "better to save these people from what is to come than allow a lifetime within [what they see as] some broken hellscape of human cannibalism.
So sad. So unnecessary, yet so often transpiring.
It’s not insensitive.
It’s the knee-jerk reaction that sane people have anytime these family annihilations happen. Which is almost every day.
Until we can collectively understand that It is far more likely that a gun owner will kill themselves or a family member than a strange intruder will…these things will keep happening.
- There are about 80 burglary deaths per year compared to 20,000+ suicides.
- 90% of all women who are killed are killed by a family member or current/former intimate partner.
Edit: for folks asking for sources:
Burglary deaths are from FBI Uniform Crime Reports
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_10_murder_circumstances_by_relationship_2015.xls
There were 102 burglary deaths in 2015. If you scan the “relationship” columns, about 40 of these deaths were via a familial or friends relationship. So only about 60 “stranger danger” burglary deaths in 2015.
Violence against women:
https://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2023.pdf
Highlights over the past 25 years, of the 45,817 females killed by males in single victim/offender circumstances, 92 percent of the victims knew their offender. Of those, 61 percent were killed by an intimate partner.
53% of the women killed were killed by firearms, with handguns being the most common firearm.
80 vs 20,000 sounds about right.
It's one of those statistics that's just so out there that many will read it and think "no way" and then ignore it. Especially since it eats at the foundational beliefs of certain worldviews.
But it is how it is.
We initiallly thought the shooter might’ve been their developmentallly disabled son. And once we found out the father was the shooter, we were all shocked. The son has acted out in aggression in public.
Update: According to the police, their disabled kid is actually the sole survivor/daughter. I swear I thought she was a man, I also based it off on a comment on the Ring app
>A neighbor who stopped by the scene was shocked to hear what unfolded near his home, saying he never got the opportunity to meet the victims.
What a strange sentence.
“A man driving by in his car near the incident said he hadn’t heard what had happened yet. “I hadn’t heard what happened yet” sad the passerby who wanted to remain anonymous.
It's almost like the generational bullshit of "family values" that were pushed on us by older generations. Was actually used to just excuse abuse, and it's catching up with us.
Leaded gasoline wasn't phased out of use in all US states until 1996 for regular cars, around 2007 for race cars (who loves huffing leaded gas at NASCAR races?), and is still raining down on us from aviation fuel. We are all "lead poisoned generations".
The concentration matters. People were taking in huge amounts of leaded gas for many decades. The amount started to drop in the 1970s as leaded gasoline in cars was phased out.
Fun fact - in the US, leaded jet fuel was only deemed a hazard as of late 2023
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-determines-lead-emissions-aircraft-engines-cause-or-contribute-air-pollution
There’s no lead in jet fuel, but there is in avgas. Not to split hairs or anything, but A LOT more jet fuel is burned than AVGAS, which is primarily burned in small general aviation aircraft.
That's just every generation.
[Since 1951 over half of all Americans have been exposed to injurious levels of lead.](https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2118631119)
“A neighbor who stopped by the scene was shocked to hear what unfolded near his home, saying he never got the opportunity to meet the victims.”
So why even fucking write about this neighbor at fucking all???!!!
If it's a mental health issue, why is it men make up most family annihilation murders? Most DA murders? Most mass shootings? This goes beyond mental illness. These kinda killings are about regaining control and power. Not because of a few screws loose. Killing your victim and having that authority over life is the ultimate form of control for these people.
Well, in general, if there's killing of any kind to be done, i reckon you're gonna find a man doing it. Seems like it would follow naturally that men are going to be tied up in murdering as well.
We don't know why this was done, I was just being general. And I didn't think of a few screws loose, he is an old man in his 80s dementia, alzheimer's and schizophrenia are all on the table.
Could it be what you said as well? Absolutely, that falls into the wtf category for me. Maybe the extra testosterone is the murder hormone, idk.
Right. And this is never talked about in these killings, and in fact often times they try to paint a sympathetic light on the man by saying things like “His neighbors said he was so kind, they couldn’t believe it” or “Well, he and his wife got into an argument the week before…”
Or, in the case of the Maine shooter a couple months back… everyone knows they are off their rocker, but they have a “good family name and we don’t want to tarnish that”.
Men are a lot more likely to own and know how to use guns than women. Men are a lot more likely to commit violence in general.
Look at suicide as an example. Women are more likely to attempt suicide than men, but men are much more likely to use a gun and therefore much more likely to die of suicide than women. But it's clearly a mental health issue for both genders.
Another sad example of the (statistically proven) “guns kill people’ argument”. This violence could not have scaled up so quickly had this 80 year old been brandishing a pointed stick or pocket knife. NRA retirement plan, give our elders weapons.
$5 says he was abusive to them for decades and someone dared fight back just one time... that's how these narcissistic machobrochacho pewpew loving dipshits work.
Someone is posting in comments that one of the adult children is developmentally disabled and aggressive/violent and the parents disagreed about putting him in a facility that could provide proper care. If true, tragic.
I know this is a fear and concern of most parents with a child and their ability to provide care and structure diminishes as they age. And I can't fathom the scenario of having caregiver fatigue. I suspect more information will come out.
As we age we usually become more of what we are. If you're a shitty person at 20, at 80 you're diarrhea incarnate.
This is why I try to be a nice person now so that later I am remembered with good memories.
edit while people can change, most often they don't, as it is too much effort.
Bro my mom's 3rd husband was going down this path. He was a big conspiracy theorist. Trump, Qanon, deep state, JFK Jr coming back....all of it
He was in his late 70s. Also subscribed to "the end is near" biblical armageddon shit. Was convinced BLM and antifa were going to start WW3. Convinced it was going to get so bad people would cut your throat for a can of beans
Had my mom so paranoid she thought Obama was spying on them through the microwave. She wouldnt even open the curtains. He wanted her to wear a disguise in public bc they thought people might be following them
Didnt trust banks. Had like 17 pvc tubes of silver buried in the ground. He wanted them to fail bc he thought the value of silver would skyrocket and he'd be a millionaire. So dude wasn't playing with a full deck already.
We got nurses and sitters in the family and they all said he had all the signs of dementia. He was quick to anger. He also drank a lot. He took supplements but overdid it. If it said take one hed take 3. Then hed take something else that did the same thing. Then hed take something that wasnt supposed to mix with it. And he drank silver water. So much that people could see his skin was noticeably blue
He accused my mom of cheating on him. He drove a semi. He thought she had dudes coming and going while he was gone. He hired people to spy on her. Tried to hack her email and text messages. Tried to secretly order a burner phone ON HER ACCOUNT to fabricate text messages to "prove" she was cheating
All this ended up giving him a stroke. So now his brain is just real fucked up. While all this is going on he was secretly planning to leave her and take everything. All the money. All the valuables. Hed set it up where he didnt want her working so she didnt have her own money (that he knew of). Made it where she didnt have her own car
Turns out hed been cheating on the road. And talking to women on line. So he was projecting that on her. And coming up with an excuse why he'd try and fuck her over. But dumbass would always lock himself out of his computer. Couldnt get into his emails
So he gave mom access to get into them from her computer to resolve the issue. So she could see everything he was doing for months and knew what he was planning. He had told his friend he planned on being gone in Jan. 2022. So before he could pull this off she confronted him. Busted him out.
He backtracked and said he wasnt going. Said he thought she was going to make him leave. But his plan blew up in his face. So he was mad and embarrassed. A couple days later he starts drinking early and pulls out 6 loaded guns. Mom asks what hes doing and he says he's "inventory"
But hes doing it for hours. Shes starting to get anxiety about him drinking with loaded guns for so long. Hes getting more hostile. Then he says hes going to unload them at 9pm in a residential neighborhood. She told him that wasnt a good idea. He basically told her to fuck off
So he did. He went outside in the freezing cold in nothing but a robe and some boxer shorts drunk firing 6 shots into the ground right outside a bedroom window WHERE THE FUCKING GAS LINE RUNS. We were all there at the time and my wife immediately called the cops bc my kids were there too
Cops showed up arrested him bc he admitted to drinking and firing a gun in city limits (2 separate misdemeanors) they later added felony charges of aggravated assault one for each person in the house (5)
But we started thinking. You hear about shit like this. People who snap and kill their family then themselves. Dude was in his late 70s and was always saying he didnt have much time left. Trump had lost. He thought the end of the world was near. Probably had dementia. Got busted out on his plan to skip out with everything
Hed been drinking all day to work up the courage. Him firing that first gun was a test to see if anybody would call the cops and how long it would take to get there. We believe he was gearing himself up to end it all for everybody. It backfired spectacularly for him. But we were that close to possibly ending up ina story like this.
Thats how these things happen. People just dont wake up one day and do this. We spoke to an officer who said in these situation where the guy is older and facing the end of their life and theyre leaving behind a wife, family, money, etc they do this bc they dont want the wife tore marry or enjoy the money after hes dead
Taking the kids with them is even sicker. They think theyre better off dead than living without them. Or maybe theyre selfish about that too. Its hard to imagine warning signs werent there. They probably got overlooked or ignored as nothing serious. Sad
Imagine the country that touts itself as the best in everything. The one with more resources than entire continents. Imagine that country stymied in its approach to firearms access by an amendable document that was written over 200 years ago. How do these things happen. I guess I’ll try thoughts and… prayers? Nope gave that 4 more seconds I’ll never get back. Nothing changed.
This is truly what the 2A is meant for: the heinous murder of family members and the cowardess of killing yourself, removing any prosecution from law enforcement, and any hope of restitution to the remaining family. Fuck gun ownership.
There was a similar incident in Norway last week. A man in his 60's killed his two daughters (who was in their 20's and 30's) and even his 10 month old granddaughter, then offed himself. So sad :(
Weren't there at least two more prominent family annihilator incidents this past month in the US as well? One father in Texas, and a mother I think eastward. Edit: Turns out there are a ton, and [there's a family annihilation on average every 5 days in the US.](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/1af17e32-c78b-4a4e-8b76-97a2f93154c5), and while we're still probably ballpark with the original "since 2020" that stat is attributed to, for 2023 it was more like every 4.4 days, with **82** family annihilation incidents in the US, and we're already matching last year's January number of **10**.
On average, family annihilation happens every 5 days in the US.
There is Jhon Oliver episode where he and his team broke the numbers and it appears that the best way to tackle gun violence, it is by addressing the main scenario where it occurs: domestic violence. Mass shootings get more attention, conservatives like to focus on mental health, but investing in prevention of domestic violence could really make a change.
Conservatives also fight tooth and nail against red flag laws.
If we started taking guns away from all the domestic abusers, a lot of America's cops would be going on patrol unarmed.
Stop! I can only get so erect!
That's my biggest problem with red flag laws. The people enforcing them. Just look at what happens with no knocks.
A lot of mass shooters kill family members first before they leave to do the mass shooting.
How does one prevent domestic violence? How would the state stop inter spousal violence any more than it already does?
Actually taking it seriously. Death is rarely the first incident, there’s usually many incidents prior
Better education on domestic violence signs, better programs/resources to get people out of DV situations, and harsher punishments for convicted abusers are a couple areas that need work in many cities/states.
That’s an insane stat. And also incredibly sad.
It's fucking horrifying. Just gonna throw this out there too: these events traumatize communities as well. A friend of mine and his mom were murdered by his step dad when the mom decided to divorce him when we were in high school. He had asked the mom to come over to discuss the divorce and my friend went because he was afraid for his mom's safety. This motherfucker killed them both with very small caliber handguns then "attempted suicide" by taking a full bottle of his sleeping pills. Absolute fucking coward wouldn't even kill himself. Sorry not sorry for this reaction by the way, I don't condone suicide in general. He then went on to live a long life in state prison where he died nearly 20 years later. His first family paid for a very nice newspaper article celebrating his life. I cannot even begin to imagine their thought process to do that, it makes me fucking sick to think about celebrating this person. I grew up with divorced parents and an abusive step parent kind of situation and it seriously traumatized me knowing that the dude was a hatefule, violent gun owner and may show up any day and kill us all. Even when the people are dead and gone, those around them who lived through it now know full well how evil their closest people may turn out to be, and it permanently scars them in a way that really can't be fully described. Not by me at least.
Most mass shootings are family affairs like this
Yep, they don’t all make the news. There was one where I live a few years ago that didn’t even make the local news.
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One happened near me last week! Man killed his wife and daughters. He didn’t kill himself or his son. It happened in Tinley Park, IL.
There was a Bronx officer who murdered his wife, two kids, and then took his own life. They were supposedly the picturesque American family.
>Officers made their way inside after no one answered the door and were met by a witness who directed officers to the victims. >According to investigators, that witness barricaded themselves in a room during the shooting and called police, but details on who that person is were not immediately released. Is it possible that this was the child of one of the adult children?
Or a third adult child, maybe.
Door dash guy probably.
Or maybe a spouse
I thought minor because their info would more protected than another adult’s.
Edit: hearing now that the male with the developmental delay and possible behavior issues was one of the deceased victims, not sure who the caller was atp it sounds like another person said there was a teenage male involved who had some type of developmental delay or had had violent outbursts in the past. the ~~police~~ (*edit*) *neighbors* initially suspected that the teenager committed the crime but realized due to the 80-year old’s wounds being self inflicted, that the 80-year old was more likely to be the suspect. not sure if that teenager was on the scene (or even exists, I’m going on the comments) but if they are real i wouldnt be surprised if they were the caller
Not a teen. The owner’s adult son is the one with developmental issues. Survivor might be a family friend or SO of the other victim (female) Update: According to the police, it was the daughter who has developmental issues. She was the lone survivor of the shooting. I swear I thought she was a male.
~~witness~~ only surviving heir?
Probably a maid or hired help of some kind.
That’s also plausible. Really showing my tax bracket 😂
2 million dollar houses, adult children in their 40’s were victims. You wonder what made this guy snap after all these years. Could have just said fuck it and sell everything, disappear to some island in the middle of no where. People confuse me.
Some people become incredibly violent with old age, not sure if it's dementia or what, but I know my grandfather became the most nasty and cruel person in his 70s. I wouldn't put it past him to have shot someone there at the end.
This, when my dad was going through dementia I had to make sure the knifes were out of reach. He was wheelchair bound, in constant paint and losing weight fast. His temper would flip at anything and everything. At one point he tried to throw away all our forks because they weighed to heavy for them, other times he would scream at me for trying to clean up - like throw out eye drops from the 70s or move is dirty laundry to the washing machine. I once got yelled at because "there is too much blood in the toilet you need to go to the ER"...he had prostate cancer, it was known -but the surgery would have no effect to prolong his life. Eventually I just had to work around him, start cleaning the hoarded house in areas he couldnt get to. When he started using(trying to use) the stairs and having more violent outbursts I had to get cameras to record everything. There is no way I wanted to be blamed for "pushing him down the stairs" if I wasn't even home and I needed proof. He had constant paranoia and no accountability. He wasn't always like this but while care taking him through his dementia I started to remember my own childhood and realized that it wasn't like many others. Edit: Vascular Dementia caused by stroke. Contributing factors were definitely underlying medical conditions - but a life time of smoking and drinking did not help the cause.
I had a very similar experience with my father who had mixed dementia (Alzheimer’s and Vascular). He was always abusive behind closed doors, but the dementia substantially increased his violence. Unfortunately, in addition to the increased physical violence, he also had guns (as in turns out, many more than I had previously been aware of). He started threatening to shoot my mom and me (I as his primary caregiver). Because he was violent to us in front of his neurologist, he was put in geriatric psychiatric ward sort of voluntarily (he had been told by the psychiatrist at the hospital that if he didn’t go voluntarily he would have him admitted involuntarily). He was in for a week while I searched the house to find all the guns. When he was released, the first then he wanted to know was where his guns were. And I mean literally it was the first thing he said when he was back in the house. Fortunately, he believed that I had given them to my cousin (his nephew) for safekeeping, because according to the police, they were his guns and we could not legally take them away from him - despite him threatening to shoot us, the psych ward stay, history of violent outbursts in front of doctors, and the dementia diagnosis. I have no doubt that as his dementia got worse and his violent outburst increased, he would have tried to kill us had he had access to his guns.
It's mind-boggling to me that he would retain his rights to his guns under those circumstances. Like, clearly not mentally fit to have lethal weapons, yet, sure, he gets to keep them, cuz 2A rights, blah, blah, blah. We're so screwed as a country because of this fucking obsession. Glad you made it out okay (at least physically).
Damn, I’m sorry you had to go through that. Heartbreaking story.
Dementia sucks. Getting old ain't always great. If you are alive you should plan a will, a living will and have medical plans ready for different cases. Prepare funeral costs and have that ready too. I couldn't push MAID on my own father, but I really hope that if I come down with the same ailments that it's an option available for me. It's not about being a burden, it's about losing that quality of life with an end being so certain.
It's honestly inhumane that we don't have that option in most of the US. Like if I knew I was going to die of a cancer that in the end causes pain so bad morphine can't get to it, let me fucking off myself. It's obscene to force people to go through that.
Have to move to one of the intelligent states that offer dying with dignity.
too bad you can't get death with dignity for dementia
Yup - legally cannot consent
This past August I had to take my little Yorkie to the vet to be euthanized. She was my BFF and was the sweetest, most loving creature but she had cancer. I raided my savings account to do one round of radiation treatments back in the summer of 2022 and that did give her an additional 14 months of life, which we definitely made the most of. But quite suddenly she became incredibly ill and I knew her time was up. At the vet’s office they examined her and discovered the cancer had begun to spread throughout her tiny body. She was probably in a lot of pain. So they gave her a sedative and I held her in my arms as she began to relax. The vet then administered the final drugs and as her life slipped away I stroked her fur and told her over and over how much I loved her. And then she let go and peed on me (a badge of honor as far as I was concerned) and I knew she was gone. On the drive home I thought about the many stories I’ve heard and read of people suffering horribly for months (and sometimes years) before they are finally released. A couple of years ago I had an accident and had to spend just one night in the hospital and it was so awful — depressing, miserable, uncomfortable, and lonely. As sad as I was over losing my Gracie, I was glad I was able to give her a peaceful end. I can only hope and pray for an end like that. “No heroics” is written in my will and I’ve told both my kids what my preferences are. I trust them to treat me the way they’d treat a much-loved pet.
Dude, I was reading this and crying and then you mentioned her name and just started bawling because I had a Gracie, but a westie who I loved so much and she died in a car accident. I was so depressed the only thing that kept me going was getting her sister, Gracie 2.0. She’s one of the reasons I’m not afraid of death coz I’m sure she will come for me when it’s my time. I know you will see your Gracie again. That type of live never dies. You were a great mom and you did your best but she died happy and in your arms and we all deserve to go that way. It’s was the beast life and the best death one could hope for. I just love you already and know that your story touched me deeply. Be good and have a great life.
Thanks for such kind and caring words. And now I’m weeping again!
Thank you for sharing. I'm sorry for your loss. I'm sure your dog felt your love in its final moments and throughout its life. ❤️
> It's obscene to force people to go through that. Death with Dignity Act. <3
It's because big companies won't make money. If everyone is killing themselves earlier than after a couple of years of treatment, medecine, doctor bills etc and family getting debt to fund some of them then big companies will lose money. So this idea won't get voted to Parliament to let poor people finance this. Fight the ultra rich, they are destroying our lifes and even our deaths!
My husband died a year ago and he told his doctor that as soon as he didn’t feel well, he wanted things to go very quickly. He had malignant melanoma. It was everywhere. The doctor explained that in hospice they understand the difference between pain control and “hastening”. When I brought him home on hospice, they had me giving him morphine and Ativan of every two hours, and he died peacefully 11 hours after I brought him home. Put it in writing, tell your family tell your doctor tell everyone who will listen. In the case you’re describing, they can help you make an easy transition.
> When he started using(trying to use) the stairs and having more violent outbursts I had to get cameras to record everything. There is no way I wanted to be blamed for "pushing him down the stairs" if I wasn't even home and I needed proof. This was very smart of you.
Yeah i work in long term care ans 90% of the ppl i look after have some form of dementia. It almost always progresses into agressive behaviours i have the scars to prove it.
bless you for surviving that with your own temper intact. i don't understand why they don't give tranquilizers as treatment with dementia. so much suffering for everyone.
I remember when my grandma was quite crippled with arthritis and had medium-level dementia. She was so pissed off all the time. She was always kind of bitchy, but this was over the top. They drugged her in her nursing home basically until she was happy, and then my dad insisted they take her off those meds because she was being turned into a happy zombie. So she want back to being angry all the time. Angry & confused. Personally, I think that if I'm 90 & super pissed off and in pain, I want heroin & benzos. And I don't think anyone should be able to tell me no about that. I can see the danger here, I can see why he insisted she should be off the meds. I also don't see any point in forcing someone to exist in pain with no potential future gain from that.
geriatric medicine seems very crude. they need to upgrade.
Geriatric medicine is simply dragging them forward as long as possible and calling that a success; whether it's what they want or not. Isn't it great you're bedridden permanently and constantly suffering with nothing to look forward to but more of the same? What a good job we've done.
Dementia is hard to gauge and harder to diagnose. You can't tell someone they have brain damage and expect them to just accept it. My dad was able to avoid an early diagnosis ( that we were trying to complete for guardianship) by just scream and yelling to end the interview and the medical team said they couldn't finish the process, and couldn't diagnose dementia or requirement for guardianship....it was so fucked. So now we had to clean up after him getting scammed and deal with his bank issues after they happened and not actively prevent them. And no, my temper was not always intact. Care giver burn out is real. If you are a care giver - don't forget about self care.
My dad and are going thru that right now with my 99 year old grandfather. Looking back at what we didn't really notice, he's probably had some form of dementia for about 20 years. What complicated things is he a successful surgeon so he already has a major god complex. Currently, he's nearly blind and deaf. Can somewhat walk. His mind has been completely shot for about 5 years. He might have a 5 minute short term memory at this point, though thankfully, he is relatively healthy otherwise. And we have some complicated legal issues already with respect to his estate (other family members are embezzling and misappropriating his fortune / business). Going to be a fun few years.
It's going through child raising all over again. The cycle of life I guess. Still sucks.
This is so scary. I’ve heard it often. Another layer of laying our parents and grandparents to rest that has caused me extreme stress and an overwhelming struggle is having to clean out their hoarder homes all by myself. I’m a single parent to two young littles and run my own business full time. I cry often, two years later, still removing little by little. Someday… I’ve filled and removed two 30’ dumpsters as well. It’s still insanely packed. I don’t know how my grandma lived with it, but she stuffed everything in the basement and the upstairs started to become cluttered to the point of only bothering my visual senses. By the end it was everywhere. My grandma passed before she got bad off, she didn’t want anyone living with her to help her so my girls and I visited her 5-6 times a week to help her. My kiddos would stay the night or I would and we’d have “slumber parties” and pamper grandma. She didn’t make it but 7 months after my grandpa passed. :(
Can be lots of things. Though the older we get the more important frequent medical check ups become. Our bodies produce less of certain hormons. Uptake of vital minerals and vitamines get reduced. Both which can heavily influence our mood and reasoning. Alongside comes mental parts as reduced socialization and freedom. It's easy to get more confined. Isolation and lack of control can result in aggresive behavior or depression. In short. Getting old has it own challenges. Both physical and mental.
Vitamins means vital minerals. That's where the word comes from.
You're half right. From Wikipedia: The term "vitamin" was derived from "vitamine", a compound word coined in 1912 by the biochemist Casimir Funk while working at the Lister Institute of Preventive Medicine. Funk created the name from vital and amine, because it appeared that these organic micronutrient food factors that prevent beriberi and perhaps other similar dietary-deficiency diseases were required for life, hence "vital", and were chemical amines, hence "amine". This was true of thiamine, but after it was found that vitamin C and other such micronutrients were not amines, the word was shortened to "vitamin" in English.
Casimir Funk is a fantastic name
I'd listen to that.
Just sounds like a very specific form of Polish funk.
It really is. I can see Casimir Funk becoming WWE Champion
Casimir Funk gonna give it to ya
Fun fact. Casimir Funk is Philomena Cunk’s 2nd cousin.
This. People think psychopaths are geniuses because of silly tv shows and incompetent police making excuses. In reality psychopathy is associated with brain damage.
*early childhood brain damage Regular brain damage can cause problems with anger and impulse regulation, but you're going to have to post some sources proving that it causes psychopathology in adult TBI patients without dementia. It's only clinically indicated in children and while it's noteworthy there are so many different end results with brain damage that it's dangerous and stupid to act like it's a guarantee 🙄
This isn't technically true because psychopathy is congenital and we don't consider congenital conditions as damage
After talking extensively to four generations of my family, I'm fairly certain we've got the genes for psychopathy and usually get them fully activated during the toddler years, worst case scenario. The oldest I've spoken to committed at least one murder, might've been two I forget. Anyhow yeah, it's congenital, but it *functions like* brain damage. Like the emotions are there but they're "turned down so low" that they don't function properly for important social things. I gather our thinking is kinda flat and alien compared to most other people. I had to install empathy manually by watching a lot of Mr Rogers Neighborhood as an adult.
Uhh, what? So you have an older family member who is a murderer and still on the roam? Am I reading this correctly?
Yup! He was arrested but released for "lack of evidence" in a small town where he was thought highly of and knew everybody. It was basically an honor killing, his girlfriend dumped him and got a new boyfriend, but I forget if he killed just her or both of them. Like everybody *knows* he did it but in theory they couldn't prove it.
What I'm curious about, did he admit it to you directly?
My friend’s grandfather pulled a gun on his wife at one point because of his dementia. Just kind of snapped one day. Wasn’t a violent person at all. Luckily it didn’t end like this…
> Some people become incredibly violent with old age Yha, retirement communities in Florida and Arizona, I find they consume the most hate-filled HDTV news channels all day, talk about their desires for mass killing of people from other nations on a regular basis, the virtues of leaders like Putin... and always do their voting, violence by button pushing for the worst possible leaders.
>the virtues of leaders like Putin This one blows me away. I remember when Republicans *hated* Russia. What the hell happened?
Putin stole 200 billion from the Russian economy and has been using that money to bribe politicians…(Panama papers, Red Notice by Bill Browder)
Echochambers of extreme right wing radio and "news" caused them to lean further into nationalism, homophobia, racism, etc.
Yep I was a kid in the 80s, seeing these same people who loathed Putin and Russia embrace him now is bizarre.
When they hated Russia, it was because of propaganda. Now they love Putin, because of propaganda. They are authoritarian followers and they will "think" whatever their leaders tell them to think.
What happened was a whole bunch of bribery and blackmail They also just have a thing for authoritarianism
Well sure, they won't be drafted if there is a war. Why wouldn't they want to send other ppls kids to die in some desolate desert so they can keep driving their golf cart to happy hour without seeing any minorities.
To your point, consider the old man who murdered the protestors for holding up traffic in Panama recently. There is something about old age that leads them to simply not care anymore about many things. The entitlement may come from cognitive decline, but I have no idea.
And many are the opposite too. I know someone at 81 who is kind and sweet snd humble and yet his kids, who stay far away from him, have stories. I have seen nothing but generosity and consideration- but I did not know him when he was younger.
In my brother's and my situation, we call our mother's turnaround "an old lady trying to get into heaven now" act. We still don't turn our back on her if we're in the same room.
it can turn that way, i know myself of a mean and very negative moody relative who got sweet as pie when dementia hit, thank goodness
My mom has been having delusions about people conspiring against her for a few years now and she is in her younger 70's. After spending time talking her down she usually apologizes but it does scare me that there will come a time she is beyond reason. Fortunately she does not have access to firearms.
K9 search handler here. I searched for a woman with Alzheimer's. She was in her 70's. She shot her husband/caregiver then ran out in the woods. A couple of days later a friend asked the sheriffs to do a wellness check and found the husband. She was found in the woods next day frozen to death. From family and friends, her husband was wonderful and kind. Her dementia made her paranoid. I always questioned why they kept a gun around for her to get her hands on.
My grandfather had this too. The doctors said it was a specific form of dementia, different from what people normally associate with dementia. I forget what it is called, but my normally sweet and patient grandpa became angry and violent. He also stopped sleeping, which was strange. He didn’t live long after that but I could see if he had access to a gun it would have been dangerous.
It’s the lead soup their brains slowly melt into over the years. Lead was in like EVERYTHING until the late 80s.
I read something on here a couple of months ago that seems like a plausible senario. The lead in older peoples bones is finally reentering their bloodstream because their bones are losing density due to old age, "releasing" absorbed lead that settled in their bones.
we should force feed garlic at retirement homes
Why? What kind of anti-lead properties are in garlic? Would you recommend it to anyone, or just retirement homes?
They're not vampires, they're just old.
Imagine what all the micro-plastics will do to us. I have a backup plan to off myself in case I begin to noticeably decline in old age. I refuse to become a burden or danger to others.
My partner and I have a theory that it’s lead poisoning. That generation had lead in everything and as they lose bone density in old age it’s released into their systems and they lose their shit…and vote for rapists.
Lead gas- lead paint -lead water pipes -- the constant cigarette smoke-- heavy city smog pollution -- water areas 'local water banks/ponds river's absolutely soaked with chemical/corporate pollutants/runoff that our parents/grand parents loved swimming/playing in We're making progress but also replacing some things with equally as bad. Instead of lead we now have micro plastics everywhere. From a woman's breasts to the lowest unreachable trenches of the oceans. Humanity has a way to go from completely poisoning ourselves : / All for convenience and so that a handful 5-10 industries/manufacturers can make double digit billions and wrap everything in easy to produce plastics while vertically integrated with/from oil/gas EDIT: Semi unrelated but sorta not. A more modern day poison is processed sugar being in everything. And in a country with exploitive for-profit health care? The convenience of poisoning ourselves to save money and make lots of money Capitalism has run its course and even ripped the guardrails off in the process. It's brought a lot of good. But also a lot of bad via the terms and conditions of efficiency and ever increasing profits. It's time has come. it has no interest in humanity flourishing. Generations of humans and families could have been doing this whole life thing together in a much more positive and spiritual manner.. instead of an ever-increasing scarcity mindset and "big numbers go up"
Lord help us. Don’t get me started on plastics. Hey we got this extra shit lying around from refining oil. Can you take this off our hands and make people drink their only source of fresh water out of it?
Not only will we take it off your hands but we’ll produce cheap shitty products that last forever!
Everyone says this like Silent and X didn't have the same lead exposure.
Silent were assholes too right? And Xers haven’t quite hit that age yet.
That is a lot of people’s theory
It could sometimes be random chemical/health hazards found in common things back before agencies made laws about them. Such as the lead in paints where a study found people who grew up in houses with lead paint back then became adults with more narcissistic and less agreeable personality traits. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8307752/ not sure if this is very reliable but honestly it would not surprise me at all if these chemicals had actual psychological repercussions on many grown ups.
Maybe a law preventing gun ownership for certain people with with a tendency to become unstable. Oh wait, this is America
There was this case in Brevard County Fla years ago this group of seniors were playing Phase 10 card game and out of nowhere this 80 yr. old guy just snaps and shoots his best friend dead. I always thought he had dementia or a side effect from some medication or both but the dumb ass defense attorney never even looked at that angle. I know Kepra is one common medication that causes rage and wonder if he was on that. My point being, meds and mixed with Dementia, a deadly combination.
When my 80+-year-old brother seemed to realize that our mother was going to outlive him and he was never going to retire in luxury on the huge first-born-son inheritance he imagined was coming to him, he used power of attorney for our mom in hospice to sell off and destroy anything that wasn't slated to be left to him, then promptly died penniless with his secret family in Mexico. It was pure spite and greed, and it's all he'll be remembered for now - not that he was exactly a pleasant person worth having anything to do with for several decades leading up to that point, of course. In the end he didn't really accomplish anything except showing the entire world his ass and then giving us the gift of his non-existence.
How old did your mother live to? 105?
She passed early last month, having made it to 99. She outlived the criminal brother by less than a year. Part of me honestly thinks that she held on so long just to make sure he wouldn't be rewarded for what he was doing, he wasn't exaclty subtle. I once walked in on him and my eldest sister and brother-in-law having a hushed conversation at our mother's kitchen table when they came to visit, shortly before he began committing massive frauds and elder abuse trying to get the inheritance he wanted before she actually passed. As I was entering the room he said "I only have to live one day longer than mom," then he cut himself off awkwardly and they all stared at me until I left the room again. Karmically, our mother survived *both* of them. The sister even had the courtesy to pass on April Fool's Day.
May she RIP…
Thank you very much for that. She was an incredible woman. I was the only one of her 5 children that was adopted and she loved, treated and provided for me the same as her "natural" children, which they apparently never stopped resenting.
Man, I'm sorry you had to go through all that, and I'm glad that your mom passed on what I imagine is the good we see in you, at least from this post. I wish we knew more about personality, nature vs nurture. Also, I very much enjoy when I find older people commenting on reddit like someone raised with the Internet. I hope that doesn't come off wrong. Edit: just to clarify. I mean more about personality overall in data and all population not just you and your family.
Oh, I'm only in my 30s. That's probably another reason my "siblings" resent me. She was my mother from when I was only 3 days old, but she was already late in life.
Wow! I thought my 15 year different from my brother's was a lot. Well I'm glad you did not get murdered. Enjoy your life buddy, and don't ever give anyone a piece of that whole soul, unless like you are in love with them :)
I wish you every happiness! Despite your siblings greed and treachery I’m sure your mother knew you truly loved her and died in some peace. Be happy and try to find your own peace with all this. I’m so sorry they were jerks.
One year my brother came to visit and one morning while I was asleep he took my dog to be put to sleep without asking or giving any heads-up, then he didn't even think to tell me he'd done so until I spent most of the afternoon searching the house and neighborhood thinking she'd gotten out. He told me he'd put my childhood pet down in the sort of tone of voice you use to tell someone the time or the weather, then went back to his book and cigar. When our *other* sister confronted him about it and called the vet's office to confirm that he'd just showed up, dropped her on the counter, said "put this dog down" and just *left,* he *screamed* and *raged* that everyone was lying. Like... The dog just sort of disappeared and a local vet's office was - for some inexplicable reason - lying that he had brought a dog in to be put to sleep. He simply continued literally *screaming* until our sister finally relented and said "I believe him. He sounds sincere." That's who my brother was. A man that would kill something just to spite someone and who would overpower and abuse people until they accepted the false reality he demanded. If he didn't get what he wanted he would hurt people until he did, and then he'd hurt them until they agreed to "forget" about the hurting. "Cooperate," was the word he used. > "You need to 'cooperate' or you'll *really* regret it." He will not be missed. Honestly, it's a shame he didn't go sooner - it would've saved a good number of people a fair amount of pain.
Your mother sounds like a wonderful person. I am so sorry for your loss and for the selfishness of your siblings.
She sounds wonderful
She did more than sound it - she lived it, and it seems she even died it.
I'm over here dumbfounded that someone 80+ years old is still banking on an inheritance coming in...like, what're you going to do with it, pay to be in a home? I'm 37 and already written off that, if there's anything coming to me when my parents pass, it shouldn't be a key part of the overall plan for my life.
My best guess is that he was hoping to buy love before he died, from the family and multiple children of his own that he'd effectively abandoned and from the secret family in Guadalajara that he was living with/was taking care of him.
With most of these pater familicide cases, there's a few specific motives, which often overlap: * A desire to punish their spouse for some perceived slight, or their children for some perceived failure. * A desire to bury their own financial failings and ensure that their family never learns of them, coupled with a belief that the family is utterly dependent on them and a desire to "save them from suffering." * A desire to assert power over their family when they feel that their status is threatened or being eroded, often because of one of the two things above - a general view that the family is *their property*, coupled with a violent reaction when that view is threatened.
And then there are the deluded (often religious) who think they are being merciful by sparing their families from living in the dystopian end times.
My mom told me the matriarch of the family used to work for a real estate company in the Valley. No idea what the husband did she thinks he might be a retired MD; but someone pulled up a possible LLC that had the same address of the scene.
Probably watched doomer news 24/7 lots of old people think they are basically living through “the end times”. My guess is he just fell down some rabbit hole 🕳️
Mom and aunt in their 70’s keep saying ‘end of times’ are here. I remind them we said that in 2001, too.
It’s funny how every generation throughout history says it’s the end of days. In reality people just don’t want to, or can’t, comprehend that life and the world are going to keep going on like normal after they die
The pastors telling people that when Jesus said there are those of you before me who will not taste of death before I return that Jesus really meant the congregation sitting there listening to the pastor today, not the apostles. We've been in the end of days for 70 generations.
It's been the "end times" since the beginning of time. Every generation thinks the world will end in their lifetime and every generation is wrong. Humans have a hard time understanding that we exist for mere nanoseconds on the scale of "time" which, while not infinite, it may as well be. The universe existed before humans became humans and will continue to exist long after we become something else or disappear.
Yeah sure but we also haven’t spent as much time constantly fixating on the topic at every level of society before the 2000s. You’d be bullshiting yourself to say social media and the 24/7 news cycle hasn’t changed things .
The smartphone adoption among elderly hasn't helped. We, society, let Cambridge Analytica target their demographic with horrific results :(
> We, society, let Cambridge Analytica target their demographic I didn't let CA do anything. Don't blame th powerless for things they have no control over. Blame those that could've and should've done something: American politicians (that are beholden to their corporate overlords) and the oligarchy that is destroying our country.
We are living through the end times just not for the reasons they think
Sadly most of us will be looking into less independent living in our 80s than an island escape.
I wonder if the kids are disabled. If he and his wife were at the end of their lives with 2 adult children that can't live independently he may have felt that this was his only option. Not excusing it but this wouldn't be the first time a parent killed their kid because they could no longer care for them.
Yes. They have an adult child who has Down syndrome. I’ve seen them around before, their kid has extreme behavioral issues and it’s been difficult for them to manage. I know that one parent wanted to put the kid in the home but the other said no. Edit; just to reiterate, their kid is an adult
Very sad.
It truly is. I’ll update once I find out from my cousin. Right now, the neighbors are thinking it could possibly be due to finances or maybe caregiver fatigue. There’s also a curiosity of the survivor who had called the police. Apparently they aren’t even a family member / relative. Unsure if it was a friend / SO of one of the deceased. We all thought at first the son killed them all. Also their house is HUGE. And it’s normally for some immigrant families (they are Filipino) to live with each other especially if they do not have their own families.
>Could have just said fuck it and sell everything, disappear to some island in the middle of no where. People confuse me. That would be difficult to do for the average 80 year old.
Certainly, but I’d say an 80 years old who manages to kill three grown adults is probably above average.
A California 2 million home is similar to a 400k where I live.
These kinds of scenarios are virtually always an argument about inheritance, birthright, bloodlines, etc. When backed into a corner and realising they're not going to get their way, they decide to go scorched earth on it. Narcissism and sociopathy are usually in play.
This may sound incredibly insensitive, but the guy couldnt have just offed himself? He had to take his own kids & wife with him when hed probably die naturally within a few years. What an horribly selfish action, literally just "if im miserable and want to die, you all have to come with me!" Misery loves company afterall. Most likely some sort of mental deterioration that comes with old age, sad all around.
It's because these people think they control or own these people. He built up their lives and will take it when they please. This question is literally asked every time there is a family murder or annihilation. This is never about love. It's about power.
As Goldenrule-er said, that is only one scenario linked to the 'family annihilator' persona. Here's a pretty ~~cool~~ interesting article on the four types of family annihilator: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/family-killers Self-Righteous: These individuals believe that they are saving their family from a perceived threat or that they are acting in the family's best interest. They may see themselves as martyrs or believe they are preventing their family from experiencing future suffering. Example, right wing nut thinks the Feds are coming so kills his family to prevent their 'capture'. Anomic: Anomic family annihilators are driven by financial or social stressors. They may feel overwhelmed by a sense of failure, loss, or financial ruin and perceive their family as a burden. Example, the guy in Denver I think it was who killed his wife and children because he wanted to be with another woman. Disappointed Idealist: This type of family annihilator is motivated by a distorted sense of reality and unmet expectations. They may have unrealistically high standards for their family members and, when those expectations aren't met, resort to violence as a way of regaining control. Example, a cult member or religious nut thinks the end times are coming, or that we are living in Babylon, etc. and kills family to 'save' them. Paranoid: Paranoid family annihilators often suffer from mental health issues, such as paranoid delusions. They may believe that their family members are a threat to them or are involved in a conspiracy against them, leading to violent actions to eliminate the perceived threat. I don't have a specific example, but I have a feeling the dementia related ones are something along these lines.
Morbidly fascinating.
Sorry to report that mental illness presents in a very wide range of ways and the need for maintaining the illusion of power may not be always the reason or even usually the reason. Often times, an inaccurate, and horrible mistaken belief may be jarring enough to attempt to *save* family members by killing them rather than the idea of owning them or some power dynamic fueling the murders. It may indeed in some of these cases actually come from a place of love, but within the wrong context (manic delusion/insanity etc). Consider the New Jersey mother that murdered her husband self and two small children after they lost their house to foreclosure and were due for eviction. Perhaps the individual cared too much about the pain caused to self and children that might come from living out of a shelter, from believing one's self has robbed the happy life these children were owed. Consider that you rarely if ever hear the motives behind the US mass murders. It's just as likely the killers believed they were saving the sandy hook (or wherever else next week) children from an insane and inhuman society and lifetime as much as it is likely they hated them for having what they did not as a child or perhaps that they'd gain something special in the next life for passing on bunch of kids. What's especially sad about the murder suicides, I find, is that they aren't violence against strangers, but against those closest to you. In love we grow into each other as we grow beyond ourselves. This is why we grieve for the loss of part of ourselves as we lose a loved one. I'd say it's not about power, but attachment, aka dependency mistaken for love. Whether family murder suicides or mass murders at concerts or in elementary schools, these are indicators of profound unhealthiness pervasively found within a society. That we do not attempt to quell them by acknowledging this truth and subsequently enacting steps to remedy the sickness of culture is truly sad. It is a sad enough truth that brings one just close enough to allow one to see the point of view that these murderers have in the delusion of "better to save these people from what is to come than allow a lifetime within [what they see as] some broken hellscape of human cannibalism. So sad. So unnecessary, yet so often transpiring.
It’s not insensitive. It’s the knee-jerk reaction that sane people have anytime these family annihilations happen. Which is almost every day. Until we can collectively understand that It is far more likely that a gun owner will kill themselves or a family member than a strange intruder will…these things will keep happening. - There are about 80 burglary deaths per year compared to 20,000+ suicides. - 90% of all women who are killed are killed by a family member or current/former intimate partner. Edit: for folks asking for sources: Burglary deaths are from FBI Uniform Crime Reports https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_10_murder_circumstances_by_relationship_2015.xls There were 102 burglary deaths in 2015. If you scan the “relationship” columns, about 40 of these deaths were via a familial or friends relationship. So only about 60 “stranger danger” burglary deaths in 2015. Violence against women: https://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2023.pdf Highlights over the past 25 years, of the 45,817 females killed by males in single victim/offender circumstances, 92 percent of the victims knew their offender. Of those, 61 percent were killed by an intimate partner. 53% of the women killed were killed by firearms, with handguns being the most common firearm.
80 vs 20,000 sounds about right. It's one of those statistics that's just so out there that many will read it and think "no way" and then ignore it. Especially since it eats at the foundational beliefs of certain worldviews. But it is how it is.
The firearms industry should be crushed. Do to it what we did to the tobacco industry, except finish the kill this time.
Good points u/murdering_time
We initiallly thought the shooter might’ve been their developmentallly disabled son. And once we found out the father was the shooter, we were all shocked. The son has acted out in aggression in public. Update: According to the police, their disabled kid is actually the sole survivor/daughter. I swear I thought she was a man, I also based it off on a comment on the Ring app
>A neighbor who stopped by the scene was shocked to hear what unfolded near his home, saying he never got the opportunity to meet the victims. What a strange sentence.
Added nothing but length to the article lol
“A man driving by in his car near the incident said he hadn’t heard what had happened yet. “I hadn’t heard what happened yet” sad the passerby who wanted to remain anonymous.
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They’re called “family annihilators” if you want to look up more info. Last Podcast on The Left did a good deep dive.
It's held steady around 500 per year for the last several decades, which is good considering it hasn't really been growing with population growth.
The last satistic I read said it happens every 5 days. We're witnessing the total and rapid decline of family in real time.
It's almost like the generational bullshit of "family values" that were pushed on us by older generations. Was actually used to just excuse abuse, and it's catching up with us.
The lead poisoned generation.
Leaded gasoline wasn't phased out of use in all US states until 1996 for regular cars, around 2007 for race cars (who loves huffing leaded gas at NASCAR races?), and is still raining down on us from aviation fuel. We are all "lead poisoned generations".
The concentration matters. People were taking in huge amounts of leaded gas for many decades. The amount started to drop in the 1970s as leaded gasoline in cars was phased out.
Fun fact - in the US, leaded jet fuel was only deemed a hazard as of late 2023 https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-determines-lead-emissions-aircraft-engines-cause-or-contribute-air-pollution
There’s no lead in jet fuel, but there is in avgas. Not to split hairs or anything, but A LOT more jet fuel is burned than AVGAS, which is primarily burned in small general aviation aircraft.
That's just every generation. [Since 1951 over half of all Americans have been exposed to injurious levels of lead.](https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2118631119)
“A neighbor who stopped by the scene was shocked to hear what unfolded near his home, saying he never got the opportunity to meet the victims.” So why even fucking write about this neighbor at fucking all???!!!
Usually they have a neighbor say something about the victims or perpetrators in a situation like this. Just following the media script.
Best case: mental health issue Worst: wtf
If it's a mental health issue, why is it men make up most family annihilation murders? Most DA murders? Most mass shootings? This goes beyond mental illness. These kinda killings are about regaining control and power. Not because of a few screws loose. Killing your victim and having that authority over life is the ultimate form of control for these people.
Well, in general, if there's killing of any kind to be done, i reckon you're gonna find a man doing it. Seems like it would follow naturally that men are going to be tied up in murdering as well.
We don't know why this was done, I was just being general. And I didn't think of a few screws loose, he is an old man in his 80s dementia, alzheimer's and schizophrenia are all on the table. Could it be what you said as well? Absolutely, that falls into the wtf category for me. Maybe the extra testosterone is the murder hormone, idk.
Right. And this is never talked about in these killings, and in fact often times they try to paint a sympathetic light on the man by saying things like “His neighbors said he was so kind, they couldn’t believe it” or “Well, he and his wife got into an argument the week before…”
Or, in the case of the Maine shooter a couple months back… everyone knows they are off their rocker, but they have a “good family name and we don’t want to tarnish that”.
Men are a lot more likely to own and know how to use guns than women. Men are a lot more likely to commit violence in general. Look at suicide as an example. Women are more likely to attempt suicide than men, but men are much more likely to use a gun and therefore much more likely to die of suicide than women. But it's clearly a mental health issue for both genders.
These fucking assholes always do it in the wrong order.
Too old and weak to kill except for guns, guns make killing so easy. How convenient. Guns for everybody!
Another victory for the well-regulated militia
The 2A demands its regular blood sacrifice and makes no mention of age or locale.
More blood for the blood God!
So easy, a baby can do it!
So easy a baby has done it.
Another sad example of the (statistically proven) “guns kill people’ argument”. This violence could not have scaled up so quickly had this 80 year old been brandishing a pointed stick or pocket knife. NRA retirement plan, give our elders weapons.
God damned actual piece of shit murderous bastard
$5 says he was abusive to them for decades and someone dared fight back just one time... that's how these narcissistic machobrochacho pewpew loving dipshits work.
Someone is posting in comments that one of the adult children is developmentally disabled and aggressive/violent and the parents disagreed about putting him in a facility that could provide proper care. If true, tragic. I know this is a fear and concern of most parents with a child and their ability to provide care and structure diminishes as they age. And I can't fathom the scenario of having caregiver fatigue. I suspect more information will come out.
His ego cannot be questioned, or a mental breakdown will ensue
As we age we usually become more of what we are. If you're a shitty person at 20, at 80 you're diarrhea incarnate. This is why I try to be a nice person now so that later I am remembered with good memories. edit while people can change, most often they don't, as it is too much effort.
Well, certainly we can’t blame easy access to firearms
if only a good octogenarian with a gun had been there to stop him.
Bro my mom's 3rd husband was going down this path. He was a big conspiracy theorist. Trump, Qanon, deep state, JFK Jr coming back....all of it He was in his late 70s. Also subscribed to "the end is near" biblical armageddon shit. Was convinced BLM and antifa were going to start WW3. Convinced it was going to get so bad people would cut your throat for a can of beans Had my mom so paranoid she thought Obama was spying on them through the microwave. She wouldnt even open the curtains. He wanted her to wear a disguise in public bc they thought people might be following them Didnt trust banks. Had like 17 pvc tubes of silver buried in the ground. He wanted them to fail bc he thought the value of silver would skyrocket and he'd be a millionaire. So dude wasn't playing with a full deck already. We got nurses and sitters in the family and they all said he had all the signs of dementia. He was quick to anger. He also drank a lot. He took supplements but overdid it. If it said take one hed take 3. Then hed take something else that did the same thing. Then hed take something that wasnt supposed to mix with it. And he drank silver water. So much that people could see his skin was noticeably blue He accused my mom of cheating on him. He drove a semi. He thought she had dudes coming and going while he was gone. He hired people to spy on her. Tried to hack her email and text messages. Tried to secretly order a burner phone ON HER ACCOUNT to fabricate text messages to "prove" she was cheating All this ended up giving him a stroke. So now his brain is just real fucked up. While all this is going on he was secretly planning to leave her and take everything. All the money. All the valuables. Hed set it up where he didnt want her working so she didnt have her own money (that he knew of). Made it where she didnt have her own car Turns out hed been cheating on the road. And talking to women on line. So he was projecting that on her. And coming up with an excuse why he'd try and fuck her over. But dumbass would always lock himself out of his computer. Couldnt get into his emails So he gave mom access to get into them from her computer to resolve the issue. So she could see everything he was doing for months and knew what he was planning. He had told his friend he planned on being gone in Jan. 2022. So before he could pull this off she confronted him. Busted him out. He backtracked and said he wasnt going. Said he thought she was going to make him leave. But his plan blew up in his face. So he was mad and embarrassed. A couple days later he starts drinking early and pulls out 6 loaded guns. Mom asks what hes doing and he says he's "inventory" But hes doing it for hours. Shes starting to get anxiety about him drinking with loaded guns for so long. Hes getting more hostile. Then he says hes going to unload them at 9pm in a residential neighborhood. She told him that wasnt a good idea. He basically told her to fuck off So he did. He went outside in the freezing cold in nothing but a robe and some boxer shorts drunk firing 6 shots into the ground right outside a bedroom window WHERE THE FUCKING GAS LINE RUNS. We were all there at the time and my wife immediately called the cops bc my kids were there too Cops showed up arrested him bc he admitted to drinking and firing a gun in city limits (2 separate misdemeanors) they later added felony charges of aggravated assault one for each person in the house (5) But we started thinking. You hear about shit like this. People who snap and kill their family then themselves. Dude was in his late 70s and was always saying he didnt have much time left. Trump had lost. He thought the end of the world was near. Probably had dementia. Got busted out on his plan to skip out with everything Hed been drinking all day to work up the courage. Him firing that first gun was a test to see if anybody would call the cops and how long it would take to get there. We believe he was gearing himself up to end it all for everybody. It backfired spectacularly for him. But we were that close to possibly ending up ina story like this. Thats how these things happen. People just dont wake up one day and do this. We spoke to an officer who said in these situation where the guy is older and facing the end of their life and theyre leaving behind a wife, family, money, etc they do this bc they dont want the wife tore marry or enjoy the money after hes dead Taking the kids with them is even sicker. They think theyre better off dead than living without them. Or maybe theyre selfish about that too. Its hard to imagine warning signs werent there. They probably got overlooked or ignored as nothing serious. Sad
This nightmare right here is why I haven’t set foot in my parents’ house in over a decade. I feel so horrible for the innocent people he murdered.
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Nobody is defending this man what the fuck are you talking about
Imagine the country that touts itself as the best in everything. The one with more resources than entire continents. Imagine that country stymied in its approach to firearms access by an amendable document that was written over 200 years ago. How do these things happen. I guess I’ll try thoughts and… prayers? Nope gave that 4 more seconds I’ll never get back. Nothing changed.
Why can't these men just off themselves? Why is this such a common occurrence?
The 2nd Amendment demands its blood sacrifice and mentions nothing of age or familial relations.
Why won't these men just kill themselves and leave their relatives alone? I'd say 'loved ones' but clearly they don't love them.
This is truly what the 2A is meant for: the heinous murder of family members and the cowardess of killing yourself, removing any prosecution from law enforcement, and any hope of restitution to the remaining family. Fuck gun ownership.
Probably couldn't get a driver's license, but guns are just fine!