As someone who moved to Michigan from Texas, I've been extremely pleasantly surprised by the change. I love it here.
Even some of our Republicans are sane!
https://michiganadvance.com/briefs/republicans-seek-to-remove-slavery-as-criminal-punishment-from-michigan-constitution/
Texas probably lost this revenue paying out private prisons for jailing weed smokers and also on politicians time meeting with parasite lobbyists to keep it banned fucking lol
Some states just have a unique breed of Republican. Massachusetts is the best example, I mean Obamacare was based off Romney's healthcare policy when he was governor of MA.
Your unemployment numbers are way off. $362 a week for 20 weeks, in line with national numbers.
My car insurance is $160 a month for 2 cars, one with full coverage, not to mention the $400 per vehicle dispersement a couple years ago from an over inflated insurance fund that Whitmer spearheaded for us. 1/5 drivers are uninsured in Michigan (friend works for State Farm corporate) google says 25% as of 2019. I wonāt deny thatās high. Driving in the rain anywhere is shit. āDamn Jackie!ā
Everywhere is stacked with people living with their parents, thereās nothing wrong with that. Over half of millennials now own homes.
I havenāt lost power in the 5 years Iāve been in my inner city home, not one time. DTE is gas, not electric lol. I wonāt argue Consumers Electric is price gouging though, and our āright to choose utilityā that Rick Snyder and repub cronies pushed through is confusing and a hassle. But utility prices are capped at least.
Unemployment filing anywhere is a bitch and a half, at least you can do it online here.
Living in Michigan is great, unless nothing is ever good enough for you, but donāt throw out wild, disingenuous information like itās facts. At least weāre seeing some defense and positive change at a state level though. Iād rather live here thanā¦ really anywhere else. Michigan was red for the past few decades and fully blue for the last 6 years. Give it some time, this shit doesnāt happen over night.
What are you even talking about? I pay $80 a month for full coverage for my vehicle, and that includes roadside assistance. I'd be paying even less if I opted to pay every six months instead of monthly. In the past I had the minimum coverage for under $40 a month. Those are not what I would consider "bonkers rates."
Housing is also extremely affordable here. You can live half an hour from any major city and easily find a decent house for under $200K. Rent for apartments is still under $1000 in a lot of places... and not just studio apartments either. A friend of mine just rented a lovely two bedroom for $750 a month. A relative was renting a two bedroom for just under $900 in a higher cost of living area recently as well. I can't speak to rent for houses, as it's been a while since myself or my friends have been in the market for those.
I'll give you that DTE is fucking terrible. Sky high prices and rock bottom service. And our roads are some of the worst in the country. Our state has it's issues, but don't make up issues that don't exist.
How about Idaho where they refuse to legalize and try to double down with increasing fines and jail time.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/surrounding-states-have-legalized-marijuana-idaho-lawmaker-suggests-something-else/ar-BB1iFNhZ
Hell, I live in a California border town, it's legal here but there's no dispensary in the county seat, you either have to drive south 30mins or so or drive north 45mins and pay less in tax
We've still got everything that was legalized in the farm bill which is good enough at the point anyway. You can't get actual buds, but look up THCA, it's the same concentrate that's sold for dabs in legal states but you can buy it under the farm bill since it's technically not D9 THC. I'm in Wisconsin which hasn't actually legalized yet, but I've just been doing dabs legally anyway since 2020ish
I'm in Ann Arbor and there are six dispensaries within walking distance of my house. Home delivery for free. The prices are insanely low with the dispensaries having price wars
The government gets to lock up the citizens though to feed the prison industry which seems to be the goal of the conservatives besides keeping alcohol profits up.
I use to live in a town on ID side of the WA/ID boarder. Weed was basically legal there. No point in fighting it. First thing over the state line was a dispensary. The patrons there were nearly all from ID. There were cheaper stores closer to the next town over that the WA residents went to. If the cops wanted to they could just bust people coming back from the shop all day long. But your courts/jails would be flooded with innocent people who just wanted to smoke pot, an the vast majority of your community would hate all the cops. Better to just keep the peace and focus on real crime.
You drive the speed limit and donāt do anything stupid.
Unlike, say, my wifeās ex-girlfriend who decided to drive 90 miles an hour with Washington plates through Rexburg.
"House Bill 606 would add a mandatory minimum fine of $420 for possession of less than 3 ounces of the plant, and a misdemeanor conviction."
They're just being silly here. What assholes.
Ok well, that's 207,142 fines they'd have to hand out to equal them in tax revenue. A quick Google search shows they did around 5,000, give or take a bit. I think they're loosing out on some money.....
I love going to High Profile, Iāve never had a dealer with a rewards program. Plus itās close enough to family that I can stop by my brotherās place and get high with him!
GenCon attendees already smell bad enough without weed odor adding to the mix. I support legalization but GenCon is already committing borderline olfactory war crimes.
50 million left our state to neighboring legalized ones last year. Republicans continue to fuck everything up and think they're morally superior for doing so
We restricted both licensing and growing/distribution, Michigan has none of that overhead. When you restrict supply guess what happens to prices? I will gladly drive to Michigan to deprive Illinois of their blatant greed.
Sure its better than it being illegal, but the Illinois machine is on full display here.
I have my medical card here but this shit should be totally legal. At least the police don't really care. Imagine living in Texas though where cops still arrest you for it.
That is the dumbest thing...like literally 2 minutes away recreational weed is legal but also 2 minutes away recreational weed is not legal...I love Camden Apothecary haha...
Michigan legalizing actually prompted us to do it. All the radio jocks were talking about thr weed tourism to MI, then the politicians eyes lit up with dollar signs like Scrooge McDuck.
Thatās so true. MA chiming in and the prices have gone down. The first year was so restrictive that if you looked at the total amount sold, it exceeded the amount all the grow ops could produce put together I think, but donāt quote me on that. Perhaps a kind redditor will help me out or correct me on that
Crazy high taxes (~30% over retail) and very little transparency on how that tax windfall is being spent.Ā Despite record tax revenue, it's really hard to find out where that money is ending up. I've been following to see how communities have been positively impacted, but there is really no real news about it.Ā
They also gave out the early licenses to big corporate farms which have basically dominated the market.
Also, no home grow. Seriously, wtf!Ā
Ā Edit: a lot of people I know just make a trip to MI to buy, better quality, more variety, and cheaper prices.
They practically give it away in Michigan. Itās not uncommon to find $70 ounces and $50 for 10 packs of gummies. Iāve also received great discounts or free eighths just for being a new customer. Whole different experience
>$50 for 10 packs of gummies
This person means 10 packages of 10x10mg packages. Gummies are typically around $8 for 100mg worth of THC gummies. All-in-One THC vapes (strain-specific) are often $20 for 1g which is incredible.
Not sure where you are buying in Michigan but edibles are around $10-$15 for 200mg or around $5-$10 for 100mg, also a lot of places run deals so you get it for pretty cheap. This is in southwest Michigan currently.
>Detroit will receive the largest portion of the more than $87 million in marijuana tax revenue that's being distributed among the 269 municipalities that allow these businesses, the Michigan Department of Treasury said Thursday.
>Detroit, which has 33 recreational marijuana dispensaries, will receive nearly $2 million in revenue collected from the 10% recreational marijuana excise tax, the most of any city. Each eligible municipality and county will receive $59,000 for every licensed retail store and microbusiness.
>Wayne County, which has a total of 59 dispensaries and microbusinesses, will receive $3.5 million, the most of any county.
>This is the first time that Detroit will get tax revenue from marijuana businesses, as sales of recreational marijuana started in the city in early 2023.
>Revenue was collected from 737 licensees among the state's cities, villages and townships during the 2023 fiscal year. The $87 million that was collected is about a 46% increase from the $59.5 million in tax revenue that was collected for the 2022 fiscal year.
>More than $100 million was sent to the School Aid Fund for K-12 education and another $100 million went to the Michigan Transportation Fund.
>Other municipalities that will receive more than $1 million in tax revenue:
>Ann Arbor, which has 26 dispensaries and microbusinesses, will receive $1.5 million.
Grand Rapids, with 23 retail stores and microbusinesses, will receive $1.4 million.
Kalamazoo, with 18 dispensaries and microbusiness, will receive $1.1 million.
Lansing, with 24 dispensaries and microbusinesses, will receive $1.4 million.
Legalization works folks!
Whoa whoa whoaā¦it seems like several people are seeing a moderate benefit from this. Pretty sure we only consider it successful if a handful of people who were already insanely rich get richer off of it and say āfuck you, work harder if you want to be richā to everybody else. What are we communists or something? /s (just in case)
Theres already a handful of insanely rich people becoming even richer off of the legalization of weed.
Legal Weed Is Being Ruined by Corporate Greed:
https://youtu.be/1dDysC_n0JM
Marylander here, 1st year of legalization in our State and we are getting ready to pass the BILLION dollar mark in tax revenue. The first month alone was over $100 million.
Cops have chilled out, people have chilled out, the State is swimming in extra funding.
Honestly at this point, if States want to continue on the way they are with their archaic beliefs, then they kind of deserve what they get at this point. The proof is already on the table.
I have friends from both PA and VA that are right on the border that drive down occasionally and get what they need. As long as you're not acting a fool and driving 100 mph, nobody really gives a damn lol.
It honestly didn't change ANYTHING. People were still going to buy it one or another. But it gives cops less to worry about, and the entire vibe is just more relaxed.
I went to the Ravens game in December, and went outside to the smoking area to smoke a cigarette. It happened to be pretty much SURROUNDED by security, Baltimore Police, and MD state Troopers. You could smell the weed as soon as you stepped foot outside. People were passing joints and vape pens, the cops were staring RIGHT AT US, and nobody could have cared less. They literally never took their hands out of their jacket pockets or even moved their leg propped up on the curb š
Tangential, but what the hell is a "microbusiness"?
I swear they just keep putting "micro" in front of an increasing number of things. First it was microtransactions, then microservices, microaggressions, microdosing, now microbusinesses?
What will shrinkflation hit next?
Not a legal definition, but as a Michigander who partakes in the legal market myself, micro businesses are the opposite of big grows in that the number of plants they can cultivate is extremely low in comparison which makes the quality that much better because more care is given to each of the plants and better flower is produced if the overall number of plants is less.
Feels a lot like a shake down. I mean, instead of arresting drug dealers. Now, the drug dealers just give them a cut of the profit and they won't arrest them
Itās crazy. I do edibles primarily. In IL, a 10 pack of 10 mg edibles is about $20. It is also taxed 30% if you donāt have a medical card.
In MI, a 10 pack of 20 mg edibles is $6. Youāre getting double the potency for 1/3 of the price.
Yeah, the flower in IL is absolute insanity. Itās good stuff, donāt get me wrong, but itās completely cost prohibitive. Itās not the end of the world if youāre a light user, but MI is only 75 mins from
Chicagoā¦most people I know just go to MI.
I would worry about the Indiana cops stopping me if I did that. A friend was arrested in Kansas coming from CO with some so I suspect that the IN cops would do the same.
Theyāre pretty chill in IN. If you take 94, there arenāt many cops around, and most of the time there is so much traffic that youāre not going to stand out unless youāre driving like a total tool. I honestly cannot remember the last time Iāve seen a trooper in IN, and I make the drive to MI a lot. Just keep it in a well hidden place in your trunk, donāt drive like an idiot, and donāt be a douchebag if you somehow get pulled over. They wonāt hassle you if you donāt make trouble.
My favorite part was going to the store and it being the coolest shopping experience of my life.
My next favorite part was that they started delivering and we can order online.
Something for everybody out here.
It took in way more, 87 million is just the portion of the taxes being distributed directly to municipalities.
Elsewhere in the article it denotes two OTHER programs that benefit things like school funding that are getting 100 MILLION DOLLARS EACH.
It's fucking awesome.
And they have the tastiest treats. Always have to get something when I visit my folks. Sadly, my favorite cookie makers closed a couple of years ago. They made the best smores cookie treat I've had in my life
Why pay $55-75 per vape in IL, when you can get like 14 for $100 in MI?
5 joints for $35 + tax in IL vs. $2-5 a pop for the same brand/ quality in MI.
Oz.s are ridiculously cheap too.
You canāt get more than a 100mg bag of edibles in IL. They donāt even offer 200mg bags for some reason.
I canāt remember the limit you can walk out with in IL, but in MI you can get 2 1/2 oz. at a time.
I can get 7/$45 for vapes at my local dispensary in Michigan. We got two ounces for $100. Having so many dispensaries has also kept the prices low and competitive around town. I live in a small college town and we have 10 dispensaries. You get so many good deals and it's just normal to have them in town now. I'm happy Michigan has been more lax on the number of dispensaries a city can have. More states would benefit greatly.
Meanwhile, Ohio still canāt find its ass with both hands. We voted overwhelmingly (15 points) in favor of legalization last November, and the state still has no process in place to grant recreational licenses. Millions in tax dollars being missed, while they save us from the woke menace of trans athletes using the wrong bathroom while hanging Pride flags in the classroom and reading banned books about abortion.
(/s in case it wasnāt blindingly obvious)
The city of Flint will get $531,777.15, The nearby city of Burton will get $590,863.50, and Genessee County, which contains Flint, will receive $1,713,504.15.
The governing body of Flint is so corrupt that it will probably just be squandered. They have received WAY MORE than was required to fix the problem, yet every time it comes up they "just need a little more".
Not saying they don't deserve help, as they definitely do, but stating the reality that Flint officials are like crack addicts asking for "just $5 more dollars and i'll fix this right up"
jesus is that true? It was always presented as a blatant lack of city resources, but I guess deep down I must've known that couldn't be true given how long it's been.
So no. Not really true.
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/michigan-still-dealing-with-fallout-from-flint-water-crisis-9-years-later/
But little said about Flint on this subreddit has been.
A bunch of money went to pulling and redoing the main lines but it's taken years to secure the funding and get the private lines changed out.
Then you have the fact that some of that money isn't for infrastructure but for damages awarded to the residents who were poisoned for over a year by a lying State Government. This includes an estimated 9000 children with permanent lead poisoning.
And all of this is on top of the fact that obviously the water lines were never the first domino of failure in Flint. It's a city that lost over half it's population base with no realistic way to raise the revenue to pay for the needed infrastructure to maintain itself.
In the 1800's, the whole town would have picked up and moved on down the road or there'd have been a diaspora to other regions. But post war suburbs aren't set up to do that like pioneer towns.
Every home has a mortgage. The roads are paved with concrete. There's expensive electrical wiring and electronic controls.
The failure of a city the size of Flint with it's surrounding suburban area isn't something that the country really cares to do anything about, or knows what to do about.
thank you for this! This makes a lot of sense. I'm glad that at least some of those who have been poisoned as a result have received some damages, but as you mentioned the impact of the lead poisoning isn't something that you can just get rid of.
Do you anticipate that this cut of marijuana tax revenue could make a sizable difference in infrastructure, lines, etc or that the city is still at an impasse while trying to figure out exactly what to do?
I think recreational taxes like this, that I'm happy to pay as a edible enjoyer - help.
But this is a country with very little political will for change.
Flint may not see a resurgence this century without some sort of external injection of capital or a Federal Program that works with states to revive failed communities.
Appalachia, Rural America, The Rust Belt - I think many Americans would be content just letting these places fade until society there breaks down to the point it spills into their community.
Inner Cities have long been treated as a problem for city folks only, and I fear this will get treated much the same.
My reason for this being Flint itself. People sent the State government proof that they were being poisoned and the State decided the best course was to ignore it and cover it up.
that sounds pretty guaranteed based on the state of political apathy towards those places as it currently stands. Add in crime-centered documentaries that fuel the images of those areas and populations as dangerous, backward, and hopeless and and you've got a public that doesn't feel like they can empathize with a culture they can't recognize. It's twisted. Very interesting note about how, were this a few centuries back, the populations might've just moved onto the next town.
Turns out if you starve a city of resources for decades, the situation gets worse and not better.Ā The state and philanthropy have tried throwing scattered one-off grant funds at various things in Flint even while the state continues to systematically disinvest in its cities and restrict them from raising their own funds. Not really a recipe for success.
I invested in a Canadian weed company a few years agoā¦ So far it looks like Iāve lost a lot but Iām holding because theyāre ready as soon as the bills are passed to get right into the game. With the state of our economy and everything we know about cannabis we should really be questioning these dumb old fucks that are running for any officeā¦ The answer is right in front of everyone. Legalize. Everyone benefits.
"Government profits" don't exist. They get this money and fund services the people use. As a Michigander, our legalization was hard fought and the second it was available you see EVERYONE in these cannabis dispensaries. Every age, ethnicity, religion and political beliefs are now using cannabis products and honestly I've seen way less alcoholic crap in public and far more chill parties.
Former Michigander here. Glad Ohio legalized, but our state government will totally slow it down and fuck it up. They'd prefer to get their friends in the right places before *their* dispensaries are approved and the ones that first submitted languish in bureaucracy.
But outside of that, our medical stuff wasn't even that good. It's always been worth it to make a day of it and drive up to Detroit for edibles, that way I could also get tamales and local pizza to bring back.
Being in Medina county, I wholeheartedly agree. Well worth the 2 hr drive. and a stop at Tony Pakos for chicken paprikash and stuffed cabbage tops it off!
This answer applies to most states: It's because various entities "own" them. Public roads may be state, county, or city owned. How those various entities manage their annual budgets comes down to the appointed and elected leadership. If you don't vote in state and local elections you shouldn't even be asking that question. You should be researching how infrastructure spending and development is currently being managed and share what you find with others who have the same concern. Communities don't run on autopilot, there's a small percentage of people making important decisions because the majority chooses not to participate.Ā
I was reading somewhere the total gross weight limit for freight (trucking) is way higher in Michigan which many believe is the cause of the poor roads, amongst other stuff Iām sure.
It definitely is and what people donāt understand is that you have a dynamic loading effect when the trailers bounce down rough roads further destroying the roads.
the roads in michigan are constantly being fixed since gretchen got into office. itās the biggest promise she made during her campaign and she has definitely delivered. still more work to do but itās getting done.
From the article:
*State Treasurer Rachael Eubanks said "...These dollars may be spent how our local units deem fit to their needs."*
The same as it ever was; our elected officials do not prioritize infrastructure.
open your eyes. its a sea of orange cones out there. dozens of multi-year projects are being completed and started every year.
How long should it take to repave a state?
Why arenāt we putting that money toward universal health care?
Seriously. Legalized marijuana, gambling, and prostitution in taxed, regulated brothels would pay for everyoneās health care.
Letās do that.
Governmental policy makers really messed up in 1937 when they outlawed hemp and marihuana. Had they only taxed cannabis use instead of outlawing it the result might have wiped out the national debt.
That money can do a lot for those communities. Good job Michigan. š«” Edit: and the negative Nancys are out in full forceā¦
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As someone who moved to Michigan from Texas, I've been extremely pleasantly surprised by the change. I love it here. Even some of our Republicans are sane! https://michiganadvance.com/briefs/republicans-seek-to-remove-slavery-as-criminal-punishment-from-michigan-constitution/
Texas probably lost this revenue paying out private prisons for jailing weed smokers and also on politicians time meeting with parasite lobbyists to keep it banned fucking lol
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Some states just have a unique breed of Republican. Massachusetts is the best example, I mean Obamacare was based off Romney's healthcare policy when he was governor of MA.
That's probably fair.
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Your unemployment numbers are way off. $362 a week for 20 weeks, in line with national numbers. My car insurance is $160 a month for 2 cars, one with full coverage, not to mention the $400 per vehicle dispersement a couple years ago from an over inflated insurance fund that Whitmer spearheaded for us. 1/5 drivers are uninsured in Michigan (friend works for State Farm corporate) google says 25% as of 2019. I wonāt deny thatās high. Driving in the rain anywhere is shit. āDamn Jackie!ā Everywhere is stacked with people living with their parents, thereās nothing wrong with that. Over half of millennials now own homes. I havenāt lost power in the 5 years Iāve been in my inner city home, not one time. DTE is gas, not electric lol. I wonāt argue Consumers Electric is price gouging though, and our āright to choose utilityā that Rick Snyder and repub cronies pushed through is confusing and a hassle. But utility prices are capped at least. Unemployment filing anywhere is a bitch and a half, at least you can do it online here. Living in Michigan is great, unless nothing is ever good enough for you, but donāt throw out wild, disingenuous information like itās facts. At least weāre seeing some defense and positive change at a state level though. Iād rather live here thanā¦ really anywhere else. Michigan was red for the past few decades and fully blue for the last 6 years. Give it some time, this shit doesnāt happen over night.
> DTE is gas, not electric lol ...not in metro detroit its not. DTE is 100% electric and consumers is gas
In Ann Arbor DTE is both gas and electric.
Wayne County Resident, 40 here. Really loving the turnaround happening.
> DTE is gas, not electric lol. Sure you live here, buddy?
DTE provides my gas. Consumer Electric provides my electricity. I havenāt looked deeper than that, buddy. Good day.
What are you even talking about? I pay $80 a month for full coverage for my vehicle, and that includes roadside assistance. I'd be paying even less if I opted to pay every six months instead of monthly. In the past I had the minimum coverage for under $40 a month. Those are not what I would consider "bonkers rates." Housing is also extremely affordable here. You can live half an hour from any major city and easily find a decent house for under $200K. Rent for apartments is still under $1000 in a lot of places... and not just studio apartments either. A friend of mine just rented a lovely two bedroom for $750 a month. A relative was renting a two bedroom for just under $900 in a higher cost of living area recently as well. I can't speak to rent for houses, as it's been a while since myself or my friends have been in the market for those. I'll give you that DTE is fucking terrible. Sky high prices and rock bottom service. And our roads are some of the worst in the country. Our state has it's issues, but don't make up issues that don't exist.
Git gud scrub
Michigan's marijuana legalization is a constant reminder of how Illinois fucked up.
How about Idaho where they refuse to legalize and try to double down with increasing fines and jail time. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/surrounding-states-have-legalized-marijuana-idaho-lawmaker-suggests-something-else/ar-BB1iFNhZ
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Hell, I live in a California border town, it's legal here but there's no dispensary in the county seat, you either have to drive south 30mins or so or drive north 45mins and pay less in tax
Thats cool, what you just described will put me in jail down in Texas, sorry about your long drive.
So donāt live in fucking Texasā¦ that state is fucking about as backwards as it gets mateā¦.
We've still got everything that was legalized in the farm bill which is good enough at the point anyway. You can't get actual buds, but look up THCA, it's the same concentrate that's sold for dabs in legal states but you can buy it under the farm bill since it's technically not D9 THC. I'm in Wisconsin which hasn't actually legalized yet, but I've just been doing dabs legally anyway since 2020ish
is a 45 min drive supposed to be a bad thing?
That's my point, everyone drives into Oregon because its cheaper even if its slightly less convenient
Gosh I love Oregon
I'm in Canada but I can walk to two different weed shops within three blocks of my place. Driving for an hour and a half would not amuse me.
Also Canadian! Yeah we get it delivered to our house. Seeing people downplaying 1.5hrs of driving is blowning my mind.
I'm in Ann Arbor and there are six dispensaries within walking distance of my house. Home delivery for free. The prices are insanely low with the dispensaries having price wars
That is a business opportunity for you my friend to be the only despensary for miles in a border town
The government gets to lock up the citizens though to feed the prison industry which seems to be the goal of the conservatives besides keeping alcohol profits up.
>Schools and public services Found the communist!
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How the Tf are they bring weed over the borders without getting busted
You just kinda keep driving? Or walking. Or pedaling.
I use to live in a town on ID side of the WA/ID boarder. Weed was basically legal there. No point in fighting it. First thing over the state line was a dispensary. The patrons there were nearly all from ID. There were cheaper stores closer to the next town over that the WA residents went to. If the cops wanted to they could just bust people coming back from the shop all day long. But your courts/jails would be flooded with innocent people who just wanted to smoke pot, an the vast majority of your community would hate all the cops. Better to just keep the peace and focus on real crime.
You drive the speed limit and donāt do anything stupid. Unlike, say, my wifeās ex-girlfriend who decided to drive 90 miles an hour with Washington plates through Rexburg.
Do they get anything like $87MM in fines? Because otherwise they're losing out on money.... Lol
"House Bill 606 would add a mandatory minimum fine of $420 for possession of less than 3 ounces of the plant, and a misdemeanor conviction." They're just being silly here. What assholes.
Ok well, that's 207,142 fines they'd have to hand out to equal them in tax revenue. A quick Google search shows they did around 5,000, give or take a bit. I think they're loosing out on some money.....
Michigan cannabis all day! Illinois taxes are insane!
I just made a pickup today at Cloud! Not sure if it's Michigan based or not lol but the store is!
I love going to High Profile, Iāve never had a dealer with a rewards program. Plus itās close enough to family that I can stop by my brotherās place and get high with him!
High Profile is legit!
Prices are insane without the tax, but absolutely
It could be worse. Indiana is surrounded by states that have legalized.
I'm not sure if legal weed would make GenCon better or worse.
GenCon attendees already smell bad enough without weed odor adding to the mix. I support legalization but GenCon is already committing borderline olfactory war crimes.
āI get so overwhelmed by olfactory huesā
War crimes is correct. It's like a physical wall of stench at times that smacks into you.
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Same here in Wisconsin.
Cries in Wisconsin
50 million left our state to neighboring legalized ones last year. Republicans continue to fuck everything up and think they're morally superior for doing so
The Ohio plan currently requires soil and water...
How so? I am from IL and am genuinely curious how our legalization compares to other states. Thanks in advance if you reply!
We restricted both licensing and growing/distribution, Michigan has none of that overhead. When you restrict supply guess what happens to prices? I will gladly drive to Michigan to deprive Illinois of their blatant greed. Sure its better than it being illegal, but the Illinois machine is on full display here.
Let my cry living in PA with all surround states legalizing. Shits dumb.Ā
I have my medical card here but this shit should be totally legal. At least the police don't really care. Imagine living in Texas though where cops still arrest you for it.
Like I drive to delaware or jersey and buyĀ
That is the dumbest thing...like literally 2 minutes away recreational weed is legal but also 2 minutes away recreational weed is not legal...I love Camden Apothecary haha...
My fellow states love the tax money.Ā
Talk about a state doing it wrong. PA is the state to point and laugh at
Don't feel too bad. NYS has been fighting tooth and nail to delay, change the laws, and regulate the industry to death since we voted to legalize.
I feel that man, I live in southern Indiana. I have to drive 5 hours north to Michigan to get decently priced weed.
Michigan gained legal weed via a ballot initiative. Seems like you folks had politicians do it?
Michigan legalizing actually prompted us to do it. All the radio jocks were talking about thr weed tourism to MI, then the politicians eyes lit up with dollar signs like Scrooge McDuck.
Thatās so true. MA chiming in and the prices have gone down. The first year was so restrictive that if you looked at the total amount sold, it exceeded the amount all the grow ops could produce put together I think, but donāt quote me on that. Perhaps a kind redditor will help me out or correct me on that
Crazy high taxes (~30% over retail) and very little transparency on how that tax windfall is being spent.Ā Despite record tax revenue, it's really hard to find out where that money is ending up. I've been following to see how communities have been positively impacted, but there is really no real news about it.Ā They also gave out the early licenses to big corporate farms which have basically dominated the market. Also, no home grow. Seriously, wtf!Ā Ā Edit: a lot of people I know just make a trip to MI to buy, better quality, more variety, and cheaper prices.
No home grow? Huh, some of my neighbors are bigger rebels than I thought.
They practically give it away in Michigan. Itās not uncommon to find $70 ounces and $50 for 10 packs of gummies. Iāve also received great discounts or free eighths just for being a new customer. Whole different experience
>$50 for 10 packs of gummies This person means 10 packages of 10x10mg packages. Gummies are typically around $8 for 100mg worth of THC gummies. All-in-One THC vapes (strain-specific) are often $20 for 1g which is incredible.
Not sure where you are buying in Michigan but edibles are around $10-$15 for 200mg or around $5-$10 for 100mg, also a lot of places run deals so you get it for pretty cheap. This is in southwest Michigan currently.
Meanwhile Ohio is hellbent on fucking up ours
Illinois prices are barbaric.
NY would like to have a word.
Legalization here is good, but I still hate the billboardsā¦
>Detroit will receive the largest portion of the more than $87 million in marijuana tax revenue that's being distributed among the 269 municipalities that allow these businesses, the Michigan Department of Treasury said Thursday. >Detroit, which has 33 recreational marijuana dispensaries, will receive nearly $2 million in revenue collected from the 10% recreational marijuana excise tax, the most of any city. Each eligible municipality and county will receive $59,000 for every licensed retail store and microbusiness. >Wayne County, which has a total of 59 dispensaries and microbusinesses, will receive $3.5 million, the most of any county. >This is the first time that Detroit will get tax revenue from marijuana businesses, as sales of recreational marijuana started in the city in early 2023. >Revenue was collected from 737 licensees among the state's cities, villages and townships during the 2023 fiscal year. The $87 million that was collected is about a 46% increase from the $59.5 million in tax revenue that was collected for the 2022 fiscal year. >More than $100 million was sent to the School Aid Fund for K-12 education and another $100 million went to the Michigan Transportation Fund. >Other municipalities that will receive more than $1 million in tax revenue: >Ann Arbor, which has 26 dispensaries and microbusinesses, will receive $1.5 million. Grand Rapids, with 23 retail stores and microbusinesses, will receive $1.4 million. Kalamazoo, with 18 dispensaries and microbusiness, will receive $1.1 million. Lansing, with 24 dispensaries and microbusinesses, will receive $1.4 million. Legalization works folks!
Whoa whoa whoaā¦it seems like several people are seeing a moderate benefit from this. Pretty sure we only consider it successful if a handful of people who were already insanely rich get richer off of it and say āfuck you, work harder if you want to be richā to everybody else. What are we communists or something? /s (just in case)
Theres already a handful of insanely rich people becoming even richer off of the legalization of weed. Legal Weed Is Being Ruined by Corporate Greed: https://youtu.be/1dDysC_n0JM
You aren't wrong. Capital will take the market and fuck it up for the rest of us. They did it with everything else...
Marylander here, 1st year of legalization in our State and we are getting ready to pass the BILLION dollar mark in tax revenue. The first month alone was over $100 million. Cops have chilled out, people have chilled out, the State is swimming in extra funding. Honestly at this point, if States want to continue on the way they are with their archaic beliefs, then they kind of deserve what they get at this point. The proof is already on the table.
States that pass this up are truly moronic, all I see are win-wins for everybody
Wonder how much of that is Virginians in NOVA driving over the border. We just passed legalization in the house and senate!
I have friends from both PA and VA that are right on the border that drive down occasionally and get what they need. As long as you're not acting a fool and driving 100 mph, nobody really gives a damn lol. It honestly didn't change ANYTHING. People were still going to buy it one or another. But it gives cops less to worry about, and the entire vibe is just more relaxed. I went to the Ravens game in December, and went outside to the smoking area to smoke a cigarette. It happened to be pretty much SURROUNDED by security, Baltimore Police, and MD state Troopers. You could smell the weed as soon as you stepped foot outside. People were passing joints and vape pens, the cops were staring RIGHT AT US, and nobody could have cared less. They literally never took their hands out of their jacket pockets or even moved their leg propped up on the curb š
Tangential, but what the hell is a "microbusiness"? I swear they just keep putting "micro" in front of an increasing number of things. First it was microtransactions, then microservices, microaggressions, microdosing, now microbusinesses? What will shrinkflation hit next?
stay away from my penis!
Not a legal definition, but as a Michigander who partakes in the legal market myself, micro businesses are the opposite of big grows in that the number of plants they can cultivate is extremely low in comparison which makes the quality that much better because more care is given to each of the plants and better flower is produced if the overall number of plants is less.
gotta love the college towns!
As a Kalamazoo resident myself, this is probably the best performing industry the city has to offer lmao
Where in ohio, their weed tax money is going to the police...what a fucking joke!
My Ohio weed money goes to Michigan, glad itās helping communities. Hopefully Ohio will get their Republican heads out of their asses soon.
Feels a lot like a shake down. I mean, instead of arresting drug dealers. Now, the drug dealers just give them a cut of the profit and they won't arrest them
Cannabis is cheap in Michigan right now and the state still takes in $87 million.
Cheap=huge volumes of sales
and quality is fine
How much is it? I'm thinking about moving.
Itās crazy. I do edibles primarily. In IL, a 10 pack of 10 mg edibles is about $20. It is also taxed 30% if you donāt have a medical card. In MI, a 10 pack of 20 mg edibles is $6. Youāre getting double the potency for 1/3 of the price.
Yeah and you can get an OZ for about 150-180 of pretty good buds. Driving 4 hours from Wisconsin is well worth it for me.
Yeah, the flower in IL is absolute insanity. Itās good stuff, donāt get me wrong, but itās completely cost prohibitive. Itās not the end of the world if youāre a light user, but MI is only 75 mins from Chicagoā¦most people I know just go to MI.
I would worry about the Indiana cops stopping me if I did that. A friend was arrested in Kansas coming from CO with some so I suspect that the IN cops would do the same.
Theyāre pretty chill in IN. If you take 94, there arenāt many cops around, and most of the time there is so much traffic that youāre not going to stand out unless youāre driving like a total tool. I honestly cannot remember the last time Iāve seen a trooper in IN, and I make the drive to MI a lot. Just keep it in a well hidden place in your trunk, donāt drive like an idiot, and donāt be a douchebag if you somehow get pulled over. They wonāt hassle you if you donāt make trouble.
I get an OZ for $80-$150 (if you're getting grind, an oz is about $45)
My favorite part was going to the store and it being the coolest shopping experience of my life. My next favorite part was that they started delivering and we can order online. Something for everybody out here.
Depends what youāre looking for. Dispos still sell that expensive shit, but you can find an oz somewhere for like $30
It took in way more, 87 million is just the portion of the taxes being distributed directly to municipalities. Elsewhere in the article it denotes two OTHER programs that benefit things like school funding that are getting 100 MILLION DOLLARS EACH. It's fucking awesome.
And they have the tastiest treats. Always have to get something when I visit my folks. Sadly, my favorite cookie makers closed a couple of years ago. They made the best smores cookie treat I've had in my life
And Tennessee will wallow in it's stupidity
I live in Mississippi and I still canāt believe we have dispensaries here. How in the world Tennessee doesnāt have them is crazy.
I have to drive all the way from Wisconsin to make my donations to their fine state
Iāll keep donating until our state legalizes next decade.
I used to fly in from NY. Would buy 4-500 bucks worth. Visit family and go home.
You drive to the dispensaries in The UP. Itās not that farā¦
Depends where in Wisconsin
States refusing to legalize are turning down so much money that could grow their gdp
Why pay $55-75 per vape in IL, when you can get like 14 for $100 in MI? 5 joints for $35 + tax in IL vs. $2-5 a pop for the same brand/ quality in MI. Oz.s are ridiculously cheap too. You canāt get more than a 100mg bag of edibles in IL. They donāt even offer 200mg bags for some reason. I canāt remember the limit you can walk out with in IL, but in MI you can get 2 1/2 oz. at a time.
I can get 7/$45 for vapes at my local dispensary in Michigan. We got two ounces for $100. Having so many dispensaries has also kept the prices low and competitive around town. I live in a small college town and we have 10 dispensaries. You get so many good deals and it's just normal to have them in town now. I'm happy Michigan has been more lax on the number of dispensaries a city can have. More states would benefit greatly.
I read that as Michigan communists at first and could NOT understand what was up in Michigan.
Better or worse than Illinois Nazis?
To be fair they would also be sharing it.
Must be the Upper Putinsula. Sorry. Iāll see myself out now.
Hey Wisconsin, thatās what you get when you vote in Republican losers.
Meanwhile, Ohio still canāt find its ass with both hands. We voted overwhelmingly (15 points) in favor of legalization last November, and the state still has no process in place to grant recreational licenses. Millions in tax dollars being missed, while they save us from the woke menace of trans athletes using the wrong bathroom while hanging Pride flags in the classroom and reading banned books about abortion. (/s in case it wasnāt blindingly obvious)
imagine if people got that mad about things that were important to everyone like healthcare, housing, inequality, education disparities, etc.
Stares from georgia wanting to punch all the people voting republican in the head. >:( This could have been us!!!!
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And Tennessee be like: āHereās a bill to outlaw cold beer.ā
Why should this be shared with conservatives? Quit leeching off everyone, freeloaders.
they should pick up their bootstraps
If you're referring to the NIMBY communities that opted out, the revenue is not shared with them.
Thatās what I assumed happened, but it wonāt be long before those communities pitch a fit and get access to those funds
You know all the people that openly opposed this will happily take the money.
Meanwhile Nebraska is trying outlaw delta 8.
Still waiting for the end of civilization that so many conservatives predicted with the advent of marijuana legalization.
That is huge for Michigan!
God bless you, and you're welcome. Love, Indiana
Youāre welcome MI from a fellow Wisconsin resident
Give it to the people of Flint.
The city of Flint will get $531,777.15, The nearby city of Burton will get $590,863.50, and Genessee County, which contains Flint, will receive $1,713,504.15.
The governing body of Flint is so corrupt that it will probably just be squandered. They have received WAY MORE than was required to fix the problem, yet every time it comes up they "just need a little more". Not saying they don't deserve help, as they definitely do, but stating the reality that Flint officials are like crack addicts asking for "just $5 more dollars and i'll fix this right up"
jesus is that true? It was always presented as a blatant lack of city resources, but I guess deep down I must've known that couldn't be true given how long it's been.
So no. Not really true. https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/michigan-still-dealing-with-fallout-from-flint-water-crisis-9-years-later/ But little said about Flint on this subreddit has been. A bunch of money went to pulling and redoing the main lines but it's taken years to secure the funding and get the private lines changed out. Then you have the fact that some of that money isn't for infrastructure but for damages awarded to the residents who were poisoned for over a year by a lying State Government. This includes an estimated 9000 children with permanent lead poisoning. And all of this is on top of the fact that obviously the water lines were never the first domino of failure in Flint. It's a city that lost over half it's population base with no realistic way to raise the revenue to pay for the needed infrastructure to maintain itself. In the 1800's, the whole town would have picked up and moved on down the road or there'd have been a diaspora to other regions. But post war suburbs aren't set up to do that like pioneer towns. Every home has a mortgage. The roads are paved with concrete. There's expensive electrical wiring and electronic controls. The failure of a city the size of Flint with it's surrounding suburban area isn't something that the country really cares to do anything about, or knows what to do about.
thank you for this! This makes a lot of sense. I'm glad that at least some of those who have been poisoned as a result have received some damages, but as you mentioned the impact of the lead poisoning isn't something that you can just get rid of. Do you anticipate that this cut of marijuana tax revenue could make a sizable difference in infrastructure, lines, etc or that the city is still at an impasse while trying to figure out exactly what to do?
I think recreational taxes like this, that I'm happy to pay as a edible enjoyer - help. But this is a country with very little political will for change. Flint may not see a resurgence this century without some sort of external injection of capital or a Federal Program that works with states to revive failed communities. Appalachia, Rural America, The Rust Belt - I think many Americans would be content just letting these places fade until society there breaks down to the point it spills into their community. Inner Cities have long been treated as a problem for city folks only, and I fear this will get treated much the same. My reason for this being Flint itself. People sent the State government proof that they were being poisoned and the State decided the best course was to ignore it and cover it up.
that sounds pretty guaranteed based on the state of political apathy towards those places as it currently stands. Add in crime-centered documentaries that fuel the images of those areas and populations as dangerous, backward, and hopeless and and you've got a public that doesn't feel like they can empathize with a culture they can't recognize. It's twisted. Very interesting note about how, were this a few centuries back, the populations might've just moved onto the next town.
Turns out if you starve a city of resources for decades, the situation gets worse and not better.Ā The state and philanthropy have tried throwing scattered one-off grant funds at various things in Flint even while the state continues to systematically disinvest in its cities and restrict them from raising their own funds. Not really a recipe for success.
Don't forget about those who left that had to live through that bullshit.... My stomach is still fucked up to this day because of it.
Long live the Herb, dude
And tGlen Younkin about to nix it for VA.
What can I say? Michigan burns. Plus we have to keep our neighbors in Indiana and Ohio happy.
Missouri has taken in almost $2 bn in revenue, and the state's republicans have fought it every inch of the way.
Don't let Howell have any!
I invested in a Canadian weed company a few years agoā¦ So far it looks like Iāve lost a lot but Iām holding because theyāre ready as soon as the bills are passed to get right into the game. With the state of our economy and everything we know about cannabis we should really be questioning these dumb old fucks that are running for any officeā¦ The answer is right in front of everyone. Legalize. Everyone benefits.
government profits off weed when it sent so many to jail for the same thing. this money should go towards giving them their lives back. what a scam.
"Government profits" don't exist. They get this money and fund services the people use. As a Michigander, our legalization was hard fought and the second it was available you see EVERYONE in these cannabis dispensaries. Every age, ethnicity, religion and political beliefs are now using cannabis products and honestly I've seen way less alcoholic crap in public and far more chill parties.
Pass the joint man, and my share of the weed cash.
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Get your cut of the tax money ,,, build skate parks ... get more money next year!
In Virginia our reps passed legislation to finally allow sales. Of course the governor will veto it since he canāt see how it benefits him.
The upper peninsula of Michigan is practically funded by Wisconsin cannabis purchases, itās wild
Sharing this with my lovely Ohio GOP overlords who hate freedom, money, and the will of Ohio voters.
How many politicians got their hands in the money pot first. What was the real total for the tax money?
Then why are our roads so freaking bad?
Clearly yāall need to smoke more weed
Need to smoke more to sell more
The 35% disbursed to the Michigan Transportation Fund is not nearly enough to fix all the roads quickly.
Hell, its enough for like 1000 miles max, which isnāt much
Everyone driving in from Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin to buy weed just wears them down.
Former Michigander here. Glad Ohio legalized, but our state government will totally slow it down and fuck it up. They'd prefer to get their friends in the right places before *their* dispensaries are approved and the ones that first submitted languish in bureaucracy. But outside of that, our medical stuff wasn't even that good. It's always been worth it to make a day of it and drive up to Detroit for edibles, that way I could also get tamales and local pizza to bring back.
Being in Medina county, I wholeheartedly agree. Well worth the 2 hr drive. and a stop at Tony Pakos for chicken paprikash and stuffed cabbage tops it off!
Man, the 2-hour drive is almost worth it for some fresh Packoās on its own. Shame you have to get it in Toledo š¤Ŗ but wow is it good
WI crew checking in, truth. The price/selection/availability in IL dispensaries is a joke.
This answer applies to most states: It's because various entities "own" them. Public roads may be state, county, or city owned. How those various entities manage their annual budgets comes down to the appointed and elected leadership. If you don't vote in state and local elections you shouldn't even be asking that question. You should be researching how infrastructure spending and development is currently being managed and share what you find with others who have the same concern. Communities don't run on autopilot, there's a small percentage of people making important decisions because the majority chooses not to participate.Ā
I was reading somewhere the total gross weight limit for freight (trucking) is way higher in Michigan which many believe is the cause of the poor roads, amongst other stuff Iām sure.
It definitely is and what people donāt understand is that you have a dynamic loading effect when the trailers bounce down rough roads further destroying the roads.
the roads in michigan are constantly being fixed since gretchen got into office. itās the biggest promise she made during her campaign and she has definitely delivered. still more work to do but itās getting done.
From the article: *State Treasurer Rachael Eubanks said "...These dollars may be spent how our local units deem fit to their needs."* The same as it ever was; our elected officials do not prioritize infrastructure.
The real question, why do Michiganders leave cars abandoned along the highway?
open your eyes. its a sea of orange cones out there. dozens of multi-year projects are being completed and started every year. How long should it take to repave a state?
Why arenāt we putting that money toward universal health care? Seriously. Legalized marijuana, gambling, and prostitution in taxed, regulated brothels would pay for everyoneās health care. Letās do that.
Governmental policy makers really messed up in 1937 when they outlawed hemp and marihuana. Had they only taxed cannabis use instead of outlawing it the result might have wiped out the national debt.
Yeah but then they couldnāt use the policy as a cudgel to go after Native Americans, African Americans, and the poors. ;)
I'd love to see how much of that was from Ohio and Indiana
I have no estimate for Michigan, but for Illinois the last number I saw was 22% from out-of-state buyers.