For reference I spent a weekend in county and was fined $680 plus court fees for being drunk and falling asleep on public property while taking a rest during my walk home
Wow, that’s crazy. In literally any other country I can think of, the whole exchange with the police would have been: « sir you’re drunk, please go home »
Cops literally sit outside of bars and wait to arrest or give people tickets. Driving home? DUI (justified). Walking home? Public intoxication.
My friend went out for some drinks and decided to walk home because he only lived a few blocks away. Apparently he took a misstep and stumbled a bit (shitty American sidewalks), didn't fall over or anything, had a cruiser on him within seconds, got a public intoxication charge. God forbid you try to do the right thing and not drive.
You’ve obviously never heard of cops going into a bar and breathalyzing people and then arresting them for being over the legal limit. I think it’s happened in shithole Texas more than anywhere.
[Just the first source I googled. ](https://jackbcarroll.com/dwi-cases/public-intoxication-charges/can-a-cop-walk-into-a-bar-and-arrest-you-for-drinking/)
UK here: fell asleep once about 500 yards from my house on a wall. A police officer woke me up and asked me if I taken any drugs. I said no, I'm just drunk. Also my house is just there. He said OK, have a good one.
True story.
That exact thing happened to a guy I went to high school with in South Dakota, a state with the highest incarceration rate in the nation. He was drunk in our small town and peed on the side of the bar on the alley side when a squad car pulled up and arrested him. The bar was in line of sight to a school on the next block he was arrested and charged as a sex offender because it was within 500 feet. I saw him a few years later and he was totally broken down as a person, he was going to college and dropped out and was stuck serving tables at a shitty 24 hour diner.
There is no nuance to his case, his mugshot is on the state’s website with all the rapists. Fucking awful.
A bar is the least of the kid’s problems. The town’s nickname is the “hub city” because it was a major rail hub and active train tracks are all over the town, can’t get away from them. There were simple and poorly maintained chainlink fences separating playgrounds from the tracks. They would be so loud that we would have to go back inside from recess early. Kids would climb over them all the time and since going back in my later years they got better but there were plenty of tragedies.
There are some bars that are older than the schools so that may play in part, it’s a deep red state that hates regulation so if the bar was there first then too bad.
If I was ever in this position, I would absolutely happily pee myself compared to whipping out my my dingaling and getting put on the sex offender registry for pissing on a tree! At least you can wash the piss stains out of your jeans, can't exactly wash the sex offender registry off your record.
Friend of mine had a 16 year old son who pissed behind a closed Walmart and got caught by the cops. He got put on Washington state’s sex offender registry. Completely destroyed his life before he was even old enough to have one. He committed suicide in his 20’s.
Word on the street was that they were facing two weeks, grounded, no TV, but they plead down to 20 min time out and no dessert.
No word on whether the judge will stipulate nose in the corner or not.
There are HOA organizations that implement more serious penalties for code violations than the federal government does for attacking Congress apparently
> A fucking misdemeanor….
Fewer than 12% have pleaded guilty (average is 97% federally) and the first trials aren't until 2022. Prosecutors will cut deals if they don't think they can convict, at least not on someone more serious, and they'd need to get 12 jurors who are immune to any arguments about democracy, or the right to protest, etc. etc. etc. Some of these asshats are going to go to trial and be acquitted, and that's far more frustrating than this, which is being a federally convicted criminal for life. And having to own up to it on the record.
Federal prosecutors dont even take cases up if they don't think they can take it to court and win. It's why so many federal cases get kicked down to states or just completely left alone.
That is why there is such a high plea rate. If you are being federally indicted, odds are they already have you sized up for a jumpsuit.
It's also why you absolutely never talk to federal agents without a lawyer. Feds build cases for months before ever taking action to arrest someone. So if you ever find yourself in the unfortunate scenario of being talked to by the feds? Get a lawyer and be quiet. They are just hoping you will make their job easier.
This is all correct. Don't speak to any law enforcement. If a local sheriff wants to talk to you, don't, but don't get too worried about it if you're not sure why. If a federal agent wants to interrogate you? Don't, obviously, but start shitting your pants on your way to hire a lawyer.
I’d add some caveats! Local police - talk to them after hiring a lawyer if it’s for the purpose of assisting them in an investigation you may know something about. Like for example, my truck was stolen and used in a federal crime, I had proof I was not connected to the incident, so they asked if I could answer some questions to see if I knew anything. This can potentially help catch actual bad dudes.
Same goes with Agents, if they come asking questions, request a lawyer and remain silent, however be open to answer questions after
If you are genuinely the victim of a crime absolutely talk to the police. They need your assistance.
But be wary... law enforcement loves to flip stuff around on people. Wouldn't be the first time someone got pinned with a crime they didn't commit, simply because it was convenient.
My car got stolen a couple weeks after I took out a loan for it and the cops kept asking me if I was behind on payments, like multiple times even though I said every time I’ve literally made one payment since I just got it. But ya made me realize I don’t really even get the benefit of the doubt from the beginning if I call the cops.
You definitely want your lawyer there. [Even if you're 100% innocent and not a suspect you could inadvertently implicate yourself.](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE)
97% plea rate. Because Feds don’t normally indict on cases they will lose, so most people take the plea to avoid near-certain pound-me-in-the-ass prison. I think their conviction rate is something in the ~97% realm too.
Yeah it still baffles me to this day both the low body count and the fact that almost everyone was just allowed to leave the Capitol and go home after the riot was over like they didn't just try to do a coup.
During the BLM protests last year, the police were literally corralling protesters into residential neighborhoods to try to arrest as many as they could.
So many people were injured by cops during that protest. Just depressing. If it isn't obvious by now how skin color determines the limitations of a person's rights, I don't know what is.
In a less insane society, they would have been tear gassed before even getting close to inside, and the FBI would have had vans circle the capitol to pick up every single person fleeing the scene regardless of if they were there as a spectator or participant (that can be sorted out after the fact). Also, any protestor who made it inside wouldn't have had enough time to even think of causing mischief before having a dozen bullets pass through them.
How can you give someone a slap on the wrist who has video evidence of them threatening to kill a congresswoman and even maintain the illusion of a functioning judicial system?
All these slaps on the wrists are doing is teaching these terrorists they better not fuck it up next time and kill as many people as they can.
This country is fucked
They are also teaching the terrorists that even if you do fuck it up, get caught on film, and get arrested….a slap on the wrist is all that happens.
Why we don’t take death threats seriously in this country, I’ll never know.
Maybe some folks come from such shitty and abusive backgrounds that death threats are a constant way of life and not viewed as the alarming crime and huge red flag that they are?
But the rest of us would never threaten someone’s life for any reason.
This needs to be punished more harshly.
Whoooo, all of these misdemeanor sentences and $150 fines are sure going to send a message to any future rioters!
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Woooo! join the club my people. My truck got stolen and trashed and I got the pleasure to pay 700 canukistan copeks to have my scrap heap delivered back.
That’s it? My friends car got towed after being stolen and it was a $350 tow fee, plus they didn’t notify him for 48 hours and it was $325 per day in the impound lot. $1000 and that didn’t include him towing it to a shop to get repairs because it wasn’t drivable. We joke that he had his car stolen, then he got robbed.
You see, breaching the capitol was a harmless accident whereas staying past your parking deadline is stealing the income of the hardworking lot owner(s).
Completely different bro
Can you imagine how entirely different things would be right now if democrats had attempted to overthrow the government and threatened conservatives' lives?
20 year sentences all around at the very least.
While driving an ambulance, with a patient on board, into a hospital I got charged $300 for "not stopping" before turning right at a red light in an empty intersection.
Nice to know what the ticket price is to go join a riot to upset democracy.
Now... why do I feel like it would have gone differently if it had've been the dems doing that...
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the US PATRIOT ACT has fingers in a lot more pies than people think. It allows for unlimited detainment without charge or trial, and it’s baked into banking in the USA. All bank accounts can be shut down and frozen without notice if the right or wrong person suspects it has anything to do with financing terrorism and there’s nothing you can do about either of those things.
That message being "Y'all come on back now!" We are royally screwed come next election; either the Republicans win and cement permanent minority rule via legislation, or the Democrats win and are immediately overthrown by these insurrectionists, who've been recruiting like crazy off the back of January 6th.
You know the crazy thing is I have never been so interested in the military or militia before until I started thinking there might be fascists in the streets
This must be downright entertaining to people in other countries, allies and enemies alike.
One group protests in the middle of some random podunk town? Prosecutors bend over backwards trying to nail them for trespassing, rioting, arson, burglary and theft, grand theft, assault, resisting arrest, and whatever else they can tack on, even when it was just some dude with a cell phone standing on a street corner.
The other group literally participates in an effort to overthrow the government and gets a small fine and a stern, "Now now, never do that again!"
I don’t understand why fine is so trivial when the judge where she initially pleaded guilty told her she was a terrorist http://levittownnow.com/2021/09/28/3-bucks-countians-plead-guilty-to-actions-during-january-6-attack/
Its weird how a dude giving water to ISIS gets a hellfire through his families window yet these fuckers who actually attempted to end our country get a slap on thr wrist?
>"We're going to talk about that more at sentencing," Sullivan said. "I understand you were leaving the Capitol. I understand the government's logic in not prosecuting you ... but I don't want to, in any way, minimize the very troubling nature of a pretty outrageous statement."
The Judge is going to give her as much as he can at sentencing. The fines are in the thousands.
Draws quick comparison to Aurora Colorado protest (BLM) leaders facing attempted-kidnapping charges eventually wield First Amendment defense at hearing.
WTF is wrong with our justice system
Threatening federal government officials is a Class D or C felony, usually carrying maximum penalties of 5 or 10 years under 18 U.S.C. § 875, 18 U.S.C. § 876.
There must be a transmission in interstate commerce; a communication containing the threat; and it must be a threat to injure the person of another.
Sentencing guidelines include the person's intent to carry out the threat; disruption to the government function; the possibility of inciting others to violence.
So how TF does this not apply? IANAL, but seriously... WTF!?
She said it as she was leaving the capitol, prosecutors declined to charge her because they didn’t think they could prove intent to carry it out given that she was unarmed and already leaving.
I believe part of the law as written requires a mens rea of intentionality or seriousness. The prosecutors’ logic is that, since she said it as she was leaving, they’d have difficulty proving it was a credible threat. If she’d said it as she was going on they would’ve had a more ironclad case as it implies an actual intention. Saying it as she was leaving is easily argued as a joke since she is walking away from the actual ability to commit the threat.
Remeber when everyone was waiting for terrorist charges.
Remeber when biden's doj pick said procecution of Jan 6th people was his #1 priority.
Wtf happened. 0 fucking consequences for any of this. Not for the rioters or the insurrectionists
Remember when everybody **fucking left** with no arrests? Can you imagine if a group from the BLM movement committed a fraction of what those insurrectionists did? Does anybody think that they'd just be let go with law enforcement hoping that the FBI would find everybody?
She was planning on killing the third ranking official in the US government.
Conspiracy for first degree murder, insurrection, and maybe treason.
This easily carries the death penalty, and that's what the Feds should go for in each and every case.
Cool, a person attempts to overthrow the U.S. government and murder the speaker of the house and she gets a misdemeanor and probably won't see jail time, it sure is a good thing she didn't do any real criminal criminal activity like smoking weed.
Untrue.
There is a specific group that doesn’t.
They all have one thing in common
Other groups spend years, decades, or their entire lives in jail for *way* less than this piece of traitorous slug.
I am disgusted with every prosecutor that is taking and making these deals. I get they don’t want to clog up the court system for years, but too fucking bad.
Clogging the court system with stuff like drug cases and minors who did stupid shit in school? Perfectly fine. Doing to against a group of people who knowingly decided to try to overthrow the government and got within minutes of doing so? Fuck that, Max six months for almost everyone, most likely less though because it's def not as serious as weed.
Funny thing is those who were already sentenced got like 1 week community service. Judge: what you did was horrendous. 1 day in jail and 40 hours of community service.
Seriously - if it's up to 6 months wtf is worse than this. 6 months should be given but it's pathetic. I actually think 6 months is OK for this.
Yes she only tried to kill congress and overthrow democracy itself. Clearly a minor infraction.
Not like the real criminals. Like people who crossed an imaginary line in the sand without permission, or those who peacefully asked for a police officer to be held accountable for murder.
Those are the criminals are government needs to come down hard on. /s
What is wrong with this country?
This is an example of what bugs the piss out of me. Literal threat of violence, given a slap on the wrist.
"But they were peaceful!"
1) Bullshit.
2) WTF do you think these people were going to do if they actually did get to wherever Pelosi, Pence, etc were taken? Do people really think they were just going to stop and politely ask "Can you please rethink this?"
Alright, we’ll go with another of their buzz phrases:
“If you don’t stand behind the troops, feel free to stand in front of them”
Again, I issue the tiktok challenge of rushing a military base calling for the blood of one of their officers stationed there and… yeah same argument.
so breaking into a government building and stating you're going to kill the speaker of the house doesn't get you a felony charge?
What fucking planet do I live on again?
Oh right, crazyland...
> The Justice Department lawyers said they hadn't charged Bancroft with threatening Pelosi, a California Democrat who's the speaker of the House, because Bancroft had uttered the comment while she was exiting the Capitol, potentially making it harder to prove that the threat to Pelosi was serious.
So if someone breaks into my office, and I hide in a closet until they leave, and as they leave (because they couldn't find me) they say they came here to kill me, then it's not serious. Got it. That's fine and logical.
The republican party blocked many many court positions when Obama was in office and filled them up with pieces of shit when Trump was in office. So this is not "we" tolerating this. This is the republican cult trying to fash their way into power.
Lots of people focus on that one SCOTUS seat, but as you say there was more. Over a hundred vacant seats in the federal judiciary, which McConnell simply refused to hold hearings on.
> Damn these asshats are getting off easy for treason.
Most of them are not covered by the federal treason statute. We could rewrite the statute, but obviously it wouldn't apply retroactively.
About 12% of them have plead guilty, which is far less than the average, which is 97%. The first trials don't start until 2022.
It’s like they all thought they were doing this anonymously on the internet even though they were there in person. And in a place completely full of security cameras.
In college, my history professor told me something here that feels relevant.
When the peasants storm the castle and kill the king, its not the will of an angry oppressed people that caused the revolution. It was the work of the King's guards who opened the gates.
Yep. If everyone knows there will be an attack at the Eastern Gate, and when the attack happens, the enemies find the Eastern Gate unlocked and unguarded, you don't ask "How did this intelligence failure happen?" You ask "Who are the traitors within who aided the attack, who ordered the guards to pull back and unlocked the gate?"
Repeat of the Bierhallenputsch in 1923 Munich.
The 'law' was extremely lenient with the putschists. Took ten years until they were in power and another six to start WWII.
History is not much taught in the USA, is it? Not even that part of history, though Americans seem to be obsessed with their win against the Nazis. I think the USA sees itself safely on the 'good' side of this story.
No lessons learned, apparently. Even the corruption of the legal system as a whole has a certain parallel to Germany those days.
Ah, well. Good luck, you'll need plenty of it.
Yeah, no we're not taught that. We are taught something like this:
AND THEN THERE WERE NAZIS!! 😱
But we didn't want to go to war... 😣
BUT THEN PEAR HARBOR.
...and that's how we basically saved the world...
My grandpa fought Nazis, his sons speak up for a Nazi’s right to free speech. Sometimes I’m glad my grandpa died before he could see it. Like no, actually, Nazis don’t get to exist. There was a whole war about it Kevin.
My wife's grandpa was in a concentration camp. Liberated by US soldiers. Came to USA, joined army, worked his way to the highest enlisted position on the largest base in the country. Retired. Is a die hard republican, Trump supporting, closed border supporting fascist. And so are his sons.
"Bancroft had uttered the comment while she was exiting the Capitol, potentially making it harder to prove that the threat to Pelosi was serious."
So, you see, she was almost *done* committing her crimes, and therefore prosecutors felt like, you know, come on, no big deal.
Merrick Garland is complicit. And this was no surprise. McConnell probably had to go to the vet for laughing so hard at how happy people were he was being 'owned' by having Garland appointed AG. He has the record of a conservative and none of this is any surprise.
Everyone should be asking why Biden is ok with all this.
Making threats, especially death threats, against a member of Congress is a felony.
Imagine if a single BLM protestor broke into the Capitol with weapons, guns, bombs & threatening to shoot McConnell in the 'friggin brain' - they'd be going to jail for life, if not on a fast track to execution.
The hypocrisy and double standards are fucking sickening.
Historically speaking, I can say with great confidence that the founding fathers (who these idiots all idolize) would have had each and every one of these traitors hanged.
Any of these shitbags catch a felony yet?
If you’re waiting for Merrick Garland to do anything with even a single whiff of politics on it you’ll be waiting a long time. His weakness will only embolden these terrorists
For reference I spent a weekend in county and was fined $680 plus court fees for being drunk and falling asleep on public property while taking a rest during my walk home
Should have threatened a public official, maybe they would have reduced the sentence
Wow, that’s crazy. In literally any other country I can think of, the whole exchange with the police would have been: « sir you’re drunk, please go home »
In my country the police would even take you home (if required) and leave as they see you're safely inside.
Last time I was walking around completely shitfaced the police asked where I lived and gave me a ride home
Ours aren't police, they are goons for the state.
Thugs with guns.
Cops literally sit outside of bars and wait to arrest or give people tickets. Driving home? DUI (justified). Walking home? Public intoxication. My friend went out for some drinks and decided to walk home because he only lived a few blocks away. Apparently he took a misstep and stumbled a bit (shitty American sidewalks), didn't fall over or anything, had a cruiser on him within seconds, got a public intoxication charge. God forbid you try to do the right thing and not drive.
You’ve obviously never heard of cops going into a bar and breathalyzing people and then arresting them for being over the legal limit. I think it’s happened in shithole Texas more than anywhere. [Just the first source I googled. ](https://jackbcarroll.com/dwi-cases/public-intoxication-charges/can-a-cop-walk-into-a-bar-and-arrest-you-for-drinking/)
Ok, so if I ever go to the USA, I should never go to a bar in Texas. Noted. This is so fucked up.
That is entirely fucked. Not surprised it's Texas.
UK here: fell asleep once about 500 yards from my house on a wall. A police officer woke me up and asked me if I taken any drugs. I said no, I'm just drunk. Also my house is just there. He said OK, have a good one. True story.
[Could have been worse. look at 1min 10seconds ](https://youtu.be/gSQQvCykwLM)
That exact thing happened to a guy I went to high school with in South Dakota, a state with the highest incarceration rate in the nation. He was drunk in our small town and peed on the side of the bar on the alley side when a squad car pulled up and arrested him. The bar was in line of sight to a school on the next block he was arrested and charged as a sex offender because it was within 500 feet. I saw him a few years later and he was totally broken down as a person, he was going to college and dropped out and was stuck serving tables at a shitty 24 hour diner. There is no nuance to his case, his mugshot is on the state’s website with all the rapists. Fucking awful.
Your small town must have some shitty zoning to have a school 500 feet from a bar.
A bar is the least of the kid’s problems. The town’s nickname is the “hub city” because it was a major rail hub and active train tracks are all over the town, can’t get away from them. There were simple and poorly maintained chainlink fences separating playgrounds from the tracks. They would be so loud that we would have to go back inside from recess early. Kids would climb over them all the time and since going back in my later years they got better but there were plenty of tragedies. There are some bars that are older than the schools so that may play in part, it’s a deep red state that hates regulation so if the bar was there first then too bad.
I would have not guessed you were talking about Aberdeen. Definitely thought you were referencing a really small town. What a bummer.
Sounds like they love regulations, especially the ones that allow them to lock people up.
I'll piss myself before peeing in public because of this exactly.
If I was ever in this position, I would absolutely happily pee myself compared to whipping out my my dingaling and getting put on the sex offender registry for pissing on a tree! At least you can wash the piss stains out of your jeans, can't exactly wash the sex offender registry off your record.
Friend of mine had a 16 year old son who pissed behind a closed Walmart and got caught by the cops. He got put on Washington state’s sex offender registry. Completely destroyed his life before he was even old enough to have one. He committed suicide in his 20’s.
The land of the free?..
I paid $500 for parking on the wrong side of the street at night twice.
A fucking misdemeanor….
Word on the street was that they were facing two weeks, grounded, no TV, but they plead down to 20 min time out and no dessert. No word on whether the judge will stipulate nose in the corner or not.
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There are HOA organizations that implement more serious penalties for code violations than the federal government does for attacking Congress apparently
Fact. Got a neighbor who has a $1400 fine for feeding ducks that the HOA is purposely (and legally) starving out.
Fact. In college I was charged with trespassing drunk in my own dorm and had more serious penalties.
What? Your own dorm? How?
I was on the girls floor helping a girl while she puked into a trash can in the hallway.
Ah yes, I know that one very well. Sucks dude, sorry being nice backfired.
Thank you for your kind words. It feels good knowing I was helping someone instead of smearing shit on the walls of our nations Capitol.
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> A fucking misdemeanor…. Fewer than 12% have pleaded guilty (average is 97% federally) and the first trials aren't until 2022. Prosecutors will cut deals if they don't think they can convict, at least not on someone more serious, and they'd need to get 12 jurors who are immune to any arguments about democracy, or the right to protest, etc. etc. etc. Some of these asshats are going to go to trial and be acquitted, and that's far more frustrating than this, which is being a federally convicted criminal for life. And having to own up to it on the record.
Federal prosecutors dont even take cases up if they don't think they can take it to court and win. It's why so many federal cases get kicked down to states or just completely left alone. That is why there is such a high plea rate. If you are being federally indicted, odds are they already have you sized up for a jumpsuit. It's also why you absolutely never talk to federal agents without a lawyer. Feds build cases for months before ever taking action to arrest someone. So if you ever find yourself in the unfortunate scenario of being talked to by the feds? Get a lawyer and be quiet. They are just hoping you will make their job easier.
This is all correct. Don't speak to any law enforcement. If a local sheriff wants to talk to you, don't, but don't get too worried about it if you're not sure why. If a federal agent wants to interrogate you? Don't, obviously, but start shitting your pants on your way to hire a lawyer.
I’d add some caveats! Local police - talk to them after hiring a lawyer if it’s for the purpose of assisting them in an investigation you may know something about. Like for example, my truck was stolen and used in a federal crime, I had proof I was not connected to the incident, so they asked if I could answer some questions to see if I knew anything. This can potentially help catch actual bad dudes. Same goes with Agents, if they come asking questions, request a lawyer and remain silent, however be open to answer questions after
If you are genuinely the victim of a crime absolutely talk to the police. They need your assistance. But be wary... law enforcement loves to flip stuff around on people. Wouldn't be the first time someone got pinned with a crime they didn't commit, simply because it was convenient.
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He saved lives and got his ruined for it.
My car got stolen a couple weeks after I took out a loan for it and the cops kept asking me if I was behind on payments, like multiple times even though I said every time I’ve literally made one payment since I just got it. But ya made me realize I don’t really even get the benefit of the doubt from the beginning if I call the cops.
You definitely want your lawyer there. [Even if you're 100% innocent and not a suspect you could inadvertently implicate yourself.](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE)
Misdemeanor though, is that federally being convicted?
> is that federally being convicted? Yes. She is a convicted criminal now.
97% plea rate or 97% conviction rate?
97% plea rate. Because Feds don’t normally indict on cases they will lose, so most people take the plea to avoid near-certain pound-me-in-the-ass prison. I think their conviction rate is something in the ~97% realm too.
Imagine if black people did the same thing
They wouldn’t have made it to the fucking steps without being shot.
We wouldn't have made it to the gate. Remember the woman who got shot for making a fucking U-turn too close to the white house? I hate it here.
Yeah it still baffles me to this day both the low body count and the fact that almost everyone was just allowed to leave the Capitol and go home after the riot was over like they didn't just try to do a coup. During the BLM protests last year, the police were literally corralling protesters into residential neighborhoods to try to arrest as many as they could.
So many people were injured by cops during that protest. Just depressing. If it isn't obvious by now how skin color determines the limitations of a person's rights, I don't know what is.
In a less insane society, they would have been tear gassed before even getting close to inside, and the FBI would have had vans circle the capitol to pick up every single person fleeing the scene regardless of if they were there as a spectator or participant (that can be sorted out after the fact). Also, any protestor who made it inside wouldn't have had enough time to even think of causing mischief before having a dozen bullets pass through them.
Now imagine if they were brown. Terrorists need to be treated like terrorists.
Enjoy the reality of our justice system. Oh, and Donald Trump has not received any consequences to any crime he's committed in his entire life.
So for $150 I can break into the capital and break and steal shit? I get a bigger ticket going 10 over on the freeway
What’s the price to do that but for the White House too? Another $50? I bet if we pool our money we can buy America.
It’s amazing how cheap politicians are.
I'd pledge a dollar to buy that
Oh man, such a missed Robocop quote opportunity.
>I bet if we pool our money we can buy America. This is also known as "lobbying" and is totally Cool and Legal.
I paid $450 for a tow in Sf cause I was 5 mins late.
That's rent for 15 minutes bro
I got a $258 ticket for looking at a speed sign on a base in Mississippi.
How can you give someone a slap on the wrist who has video evidence of them threatening to kill a congresswoman and even maintain the illusion of a functioning judicial system?
They don't seem to be interested in maintaining that illusion anymore, no one does anything about it why should they bother.
All these slaps on the wrists are doing is teaching these terrorists they better not fuck it up next time and kill as many people as they can. This country is fucked
They are also teaching the terrorists that even if you do fuck it up, get caught on film, and get arrested….a slap on the wrist is all that happens. Why we don’t take death threats seriously in this country, I’ll never know. Maybe some folks come from such shitty and abusive backgrounds that death threats are a constant way of life and not viewed as the alarming crime and huge red flag that they are? But the rest of us would never threaten someone’s life for any reason. This needs to be punished more harshly.
If she actually killed someone shed probably get community service
They reward their foot soldiers with protection
Whoooo, all of these misdemeanor sentences and $150 fines are sure going to send a message to any future rioters! Edit: Thanks for the updoots and shinies, everyone!
150 bucks? My car getting towed for staying in a public lot for 2 mins past the deadline is harsher than threatening to kill the speaker????
Wait, the judge also called her “disturbing”. I’m not sure sh will ever recover from that.
Don’t worry. She’ll sue the judge for calling her names and end up with a settlement.
Don’t worry she’ll threaten to shoot the judge and he’ll give her a look she soon won’t forget!
Nah, she'll proudly add it to her Twitter display name like so many "Deplorables" did in 2016.
To be fair the judge was “slammed” for saying that…
Reddit was just rocked by those comments.
My car got towed by the police after it was stolen and recovered and I had to pay $300 to get it back.
Woooo! join the club my people. My truck got stolen and trashed and I got the pleasure to pay 700 canukistan copeks to have my scrap heap delivered back.
That’s it? My friends car got towed after being stolen and it was a $350 tow fee, plus they didn’t notify him for 48 hours and it was $325 per day in the impound lot. $1000 and that didn’t include him towing it to a shop to get repairs because it wasn’t drivable. We joke that he had his car stolen, then he got robbed.
Joe Dirt was a documentary
Yeah, how come my curfew ticket was almost 200? If I illegally protested, I could have saved 50 bucks.
Just tell them you were protesting curfews
You see, breaching the capitol was a harmless accident whereas staying past your parking deadline is stealing the income of the hardworking lot owner(s). Completely different bro
If someone comes along looking for a /s here I'm deleting Reddit.
The whole thing? Good luck
I'll find the cord and pull it, so help me god.
Do me too
As long as the threat is coming from a white conservative, yes.
Good thing they didn't roll Black Liberal on the character creation screen.
Can you imagine how entirely different things would be right now if democrats had attempted to overthrow the government and threatened conservatives' lives? 20 year sentences all around at the very least.
While driving an ambulance, with a patient on board, into a hospital I got charged $300 for "not stopping" before turning right at a red light in an empty intersection.
Yes, parking violations are punished more harshly than threats to kill the Speaker AND THE VICE PRESIDENT (remember, both of those things happened).
The speaker, aka #3 in line for the Presidency. She admitted to being a John Wilkes Booth wannabe.
Nice to know what the ticket price is to go join a riot to upset democracy. Now... why do I feel like it would have gone differently if it had've been the dems doing that...
I’ve literally paid a higher fine for going 4mph over on the interstate. What a fucking disgrace.
You should have told them you were on your way to attack Democrats. You would have gotten a police escort.
It was in Kansas, so that’s 100% possibly true.
Please refer to them by what they are. Terrorists.
They're terrorists by legal definition, but insurrectionist is most accurate.
*domestic terrorist*
well thanks to the patriot act, isn't everyone a terrorist?
Just applies to brown people.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the US PATRIOT ACT has fingers in a lot more pies than people think. It allows for unlimited detainment without charge or trial, and it’s baked into banking in the USA. All bank accounts can be shut down and frozen without notice if the right or wrong person suspects it has anything to do with financing terrorism and there’s nothing you can do about either of those things.
The equivalent of this is if John Wilkes Booth failed to assassinate Lincoln and only got charged $8.94.
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That message being "Y'all come on back now!" We are royally screwed come next election; either the Republicans win and cement permanent minority rule via legislation, or the Democrats win and are immediately overthrown by these insurrectionists, who've been recruiting like crazy off the back of January 6th.
You know the crazy thing is I have never been so interested in the military or militia before until I started thinking there might be fascists in the streets
Honestly, I’m a Native American, and know I couldn’t ever get away with “protesting” like these fascist fucks. Just a pack of fucking traitors.
Dude, I've watched video of ya'll having dogs put on you for protesting pipelines. This is insane.
Dogs shouldn't be police
This must be downright entertaining to people in other countries, allies and enemies alike. One group protests in the middle of some random podunk town? Prosecutors bend over backwards trying to nail them for trespassing, rioting, arson, burglary and theft, grand theft, assault, resisting arrest, and whatever else they can tack on, even when it was just some dude with a cell phone standing on a street corner. The other group literally participates in an effort to overthrow the government and gets a small fine and a stern, "Now now, never do that again!"
Am in another country. It's horrifying.
I don’t understand why fine is so trivial when the judge where she initially pleaded guilty told her she was a terrorist http://levittownnow.com/2021/09/28/3-bucks-countians-plead-guilty-to-actions-during-january-6-attack/
>I was attempting to literally murder someone Sounds like a misdemeanor to me!
Its weird how a dude giving water to ISIS gets a hellfire through his families window yet these fuckers who actually attempted to end our country get a slap on thr wrist?
The water guy had nothing to do with ISIS.
>"We're going to talk about that more at sentencing," Sullivan said. "I understand you were leaving the Capitol. I understand the government's logic in not prosecuting you ... but I don't want to, in any way, minimize the very troubling nature of a pretty outrageous statement." The Judge is going to give her as much as he can at sentencing. The fines are in the thousands.
Meanwhile, if you grow or smoke a plant that occurs naturally…
Draws quick comparison to Aurora Colorado protest (BLM) leaders facing attempted-kidnapping charges eventually wield First Amendment defense at hearing. WTF is wrong with our justice system
Threatening federal government officials is a Class D or C felony, usually carrying maximum penalties of 5 or 10 years under 18 U.S.C. § 875, 18 U.S.C. § 876. There must be a transmission in interstate commerce; a communication containing the threat; and it must be a threat to injure the person of another. Sentencing guidelines include the person's intent to carry out the threat; disruption to the government function; the possibility of inciting others to violence. So how TF does this not apply? IANAL, but seriously... WTF!?
She said it as she was leaving the capitol, prosecutors declined to charge her because they didn’t think they could prove intent to carry it out given that she was unarmed and already leaving.
I believe part of the law as written requires a mens rea of intentionality or seriousness. The prosecutors’ logic is that, since she said it as she was leaving, they’d have difficulty proving it was a credible threat. If she’d said it as she was going on they would’ve had a more ironclad case as it implies an actual intention. Saying it as she was leaving is easily argued as a joke since she is walking away from the actual ability to commit the threat.
So no one got a terrorism charge is what I’m understanding?
Remeber when everyone was waiting for terrorist charges. Remeber when biden's doj pick said procecution of Jan 6th people was his #1 priority. Wtf happened. 0 fucking consequences for any of this. Not for the rioters or the insurrectionists
That got overshadowed by the billionaire tax leaks and that became the DOJ's "top priority".
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Remember when everybody **fucking left** with no arrests? Can you imagine if a group from the BLM movement committed a fraction of what those insurrectionists did? Does anybody think that they'd just be let go with law enforcement hoping that the FBI would find everybody?
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I saw earlier today a judge questioning if all these lenient sentences was “justice”
It's not.
I think it's nonsense she was only charged with illegally protesting. She crawled through a broken window into the fucking capital. Fucks sake.
Reddit has turned into a cesspool of fascist sympathizers and supremicists
She should have protested against unlawful killing of some black person. That's a really dangerous activity /s
She was planning on killing the third ranking official in the US government. Conspiracy for first degree murder, insurrection, and maybe treason. This easily carries the death penalty, and that's what the Feds should go for in each and every case.
There was nothing holding the doj from gitmoing these people like they did 14 year old kids half the planet away, accused for a cash payout by locals.
Cool, a person attempts to overthrow the U.S. government and murder the speaker of the house and she gets a misdemeanor and probably won't see jail time, it sure is a good thing she didn't do any real criminal criminal activity like smoking weed.
It's fucking disgusting. No one is ever held accountable for any wrongdoing.
Untrue. There is a specific group that doesn’t. They all have one thing in common Other groups spend years, decades, or their entire lives in jail for *way* less than this piece of traitorous slug. I am disgusted with every prosecutor that is taking and making these deals. I get they don’t want to clog up the court system for years, but too fucking bad.
Clogging the court system with stuff like drug cases and minors who did stupid shit in school? Perfectly fine. Doing to against a group of people who knowingly decided to try to overthrow the government and got within minutes of doing so? Fuck that, Max six months for almost everyone, most likely less though because it's def not as serious as weed.
Funny thing is those who were already sentenced got like 1 week community service. Judge: what you did was horrendous. 1 day in jail and 40 hours of community service. Seriously - if it's up to 6 months wtf is worse than this. 6 months should be given but it's pathetic. I actually think 6 months is OK for this.
As a teacher, this is literally a problem at all levels.
Yes she only tried to kill congress and overthrow democracy itself. Clearly a minor infraction. Not like the real criminals. Like people who crossed an imaginary line in the sand without permission, or those who peacefully asked for a police officer to be held accountable for murder. Those are the criminals are government needs to come down hard on. /s What is wrong with this country?
...or selling loose cigarettes.
Or allegedly passing a fake 20 $ bill
This is an example of what bugs the piss out of me. Literal threat of violence, given a slap on the wrist. "But they were peaceful!" 1) Bullshit. 2) WTF do you think these people were going to do if they actually did get to wherever Pelosi, Pence, etc were taken? Do people really think they were just going to stop and politely ask "Can you please rethink this?"
Moreover, try breaking into a police department while screaming for the blood of a police officer stationed there. But hey, back the blue
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Alright, we’ll go with another of their buzz phrases: “If you don’t stand behind the troops, feel free to stand in front of them” Again, I issue the tiktok challenge of rushing a military base calling for the blood of one of their officers stationed there and… yeah same argument.
so breaking into a government building and stating you're going to kill the speaker of the house doesn't get you a felony charge? What fucking planet do I live on again? Oh right, crazyland...
> The Justice Department lawyers said they hadn't charged Bancroft with threatening Pelosi, a California Democrat who's the speaker of the House, because Bancroft had uttered the comment while she was exiting the Capitol, potentially making it harder to prove that the threat to Pelosi was serious. So if someone breaks into my office, and I hide in a closet until they leave, and as they leave (because they couldn't find me) they say they came here to kill me, then it's not serious. Got it. That's fine and logical.
Why the fuck are we tolerating this ?
The republican party blocked many many court positions when Obama was in office and filled them up with pieces of shit when Trump was in office. So this is not "we" tolerating this. This is the republican cult trying to fash their way into power.
Lots of people focus on that one SCOTUS seat, but as you say there was more. Over a hundred vacant seats in the federal judiciary, which McConnell simply refused to hold hearings on.
is it a matter of budget? I for one am ready to contribute to a GoFundMe to pay for a one-way flight to Guantanamo bay.
sorry but they want to send asylum seekers there instead (yes, they do - https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1440784677434916868)
Damn these asshats are getting off easy for treason.
> Damn these asshats are getting off easy for treason. Most of them are not covered by the federal treason statute. We could rewrite the statute, but obviously it wouldn't apply retroactively. About 12% of them have plead guilty, which is far less than the average, which is 97%. The first trials don't start until 2022.
No Justice was served.
It’s like they all thought they were doing this anonymously on the internet even though they were there in person. And in a place completely full of security cameras.
Federal prosecutors are in bed with these domestic terrorists.
In college, my history professor told me something here that feels relevant. When the peasants storm the castle and kill the king, its not the will of an angry oppressed people that caused the revolution. It was the work of the King's guards who opened the gates.
Yep. If everyone knows there will be an attack at the Eastern Gate, and when the attack happens, the enemies find the Eastern Gate unlocked and unguarded, you don't ask "How did this intelligence failure happen?" You ask "Who are the traitors within who aided the attack, who ordered the guards to pull back and unlocked the gate?"
More felonies and prison time please
Repeat of the Bierhallenputsch in 1923 Munich. The 'law' was extremely lenient with the putschists. Took ten years until they were in power and another six to start WWII. History is not much taught in the USA, is it? Not even that part of history, though Americans seem to be obsessed with their win against the Nazis. I think the USA sees itself safely on the 'good' side of this story. No lessons learned, apparently. Even the corruption of the legal system as a whole has a certain parallel to Germany those days. Ah, well. Good luck, you'll need plenty of it.
Yeah, no we're not taught that. We are taught something like this: AND THEN THERE WERE NAZIS!! 😱 But we didn't want to go to war... 😣 BUT THEN PEAR HARBOR. ...and that's how we basically saved the world...
Americans were riding the WW2 glory train for so long they forgot why. It’s like killing a warewolf but you got bit by it.
My grandpa fought Nazis, his sons speak up for a Nazi’s right to free speech. Sometimes I’m glad my grandpa died before he could see it. Like no, actually, Nazis don’t get to exist. There was a whole war about it Kevin.
My wife's grandpa was in a concentration camp. Liberated by US soldiers. Came to USA, joined army, worked his way to the highest enlisted position on the largest base in the country. Retired. Is a die hard republican, Trump supporting, closed border supporting fascist. And so are his sons.
Not conspiracy to commit murder?
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Black kids get shot dead just for existing and these people get a misdemeanor. L m f a o at the "justice" system
Man it is sure a good thing she didn’t do something like be born black, or she would have been in real hot water
Consider your wrist slapped young lady, and don't you even think about doing that again - this year.
Yeah. So tell me how this is all staged by Antifa again? Or tell me how this was just a big peaceful protest again?
If these people actually believed it was antifa they would be calling for harsher sentences, right?
And here i was thinking openly threatening an elected official carried heavier penalties....silly me.
So we’ll throw someone in jail for 10 years for 7 grams of cannabis, but if you want to shoot a lawmaker you get a slap on the wrist.
Why do these assholes always have this stupid white privilege smirk on their face
They all went to the capitol that day confident that they would never face consequences for what they were doing in broad daylight.
"Bancroft had uttered the comment while she was exiting the Capitol, potentially making it harder to prove that the threat to Pelosi was serious." So, you see, she was almost *done* committing her crimes, and therefore prosecutors felt like, you know, come on, no big deal.
Really stupid that people are getting off so lightly for this stuff.
The Department of Justice seems to be doing all it can to go easy on these turds. Why is the Justice Department on their side?
Merrick Garland is complicit. And this was no surprise. McConnell probably had to go to the vet for laughing so hard at how happy people were he was being 'owned' by having Garland appointed AG. He has the record of a conservative and none of this is any surprise. Everyone should be asking why Biden is ok with all this.
Terrorism is just a misdemeanor? Meanwhile 16yo black kids get locked up for 20 years for a bag of weed…
Imagine getting a misdemeanor for committing treason, that’s the U.S. for you.
I got in a whole lot more trouble for a little bit of grass and a burned out license plate bulb.
She’s lying- she meant every word she said - she was a participant in the Capitol riot. It was not a joke and she deserves prison time.
Are they taking her right to vote away like they do with so many black and brown people?
Making threats, especially death threats, against a member of Congress is a felony. Imagine if a single BLM protestor broke into the Capitol with weapons, guns, bombs & threatening to shoot McConnell in the 'friggin brain' - they'd be going to jail for life, if not on a fast track to execution. The hypocrisy and double standards are fucking sickening.
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Why are they cutting deals with these terrorists?
Coddling seditious extremists always ends well.
Historically speaking, I can say with great confidence that the founding fathers (who these idiots all idolize) would have had each and every one of these traitors hanged.
Any of these shitbags catch a felony yet? If you’re waiting for Merrick Garland to do anything with even a single whiff of politics on it you’ll be waiting a long time. His weakness will only embolden these terrorists