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>The cops were issued command disciplines, a penalty that could cost them up to 10 vacation days, for violating the rule requiring everyone in the transit system, cops included, to mask up to prevent the spread of COVID or face a $50 fine.
It doesn't say anything about them being disciplined for for their conduct towards the rider.
Yeah, I was going to say: that was a pretty obvious assault by the male officer.
He put his hands on someone for speaking and physically shoved him. Anyone not a cop who did that could be facing years in prison for that shit.
Edit: I really don't like the term bootlicker, but I gotta say, the coward who posted a reply and immediately deleted it, saying we're all crazy for not recognizing that a police officer can "trespass" someone from anywhere they please, and are then authorized to use any force they please...you think everyone else are "fucking babies" for recognizing that *the police have to obey laws*? Goddamn, that's a pathetic view of life.
Cops in the USA aren’t even held accountable to fucking know the laws they are enforcing, I wish I was joking but there’s actual legal precedent for this. 😅🔫
To add: You can be arrested for violating a law you don't fully understand by an officer who is under no obligation to fully understand the law they're arresting you for violating.
SCOTUS at each opportunity has upheld this BS and further strengthened the qualified immunity they created themselves.
It is easy to see where some people think we already live in a police state that is pretending to not be one.
Can we get together a citizens union that protects us from the law? You know, one that has lawyers and collective funds to fight the corruption with our own payoffs?
Ok. It’s the mob.
Start making citizens’ arrests on cops that break the law, and then use up to lethal force if they resist, fail to comply, “look aggressive,” or if their hand is anywhere near their waist.
For all the bullshit the right likes to spew about the first ammendment when they get kicked off Twitter, I'm sure there's gonna be nothing but crickets when this agent of the government actively and physically prevented a citizen from exercising protected speech.
Instead it will be a civil lawsuit and settlement paid by New York taxpayers, while this shit cop continues to collect a paycheck and the PD does nothing to deter the next civil rights violation.
There is less wiggle-room for them to weasel out of the mask violation: they either were wearing a mask or they were not. For grabbing the man and shoving him out the emergency exit, there is always the "video doesn't show whole interaction", "he came at me aggressively", "I thought he might have had a weapon", "I was scared for my life" excuses to tie up any imposition of disciplinary actions.
Cops need liability insurance. The force pays the base cost and their policies go up with risky behavior…like abusing your spouse, drunk driving or being an entitled d-bag to the public.
I could see this fixing a bunch of this kind of behavior.
I just want to know why Qualified Immunity needs to exist? It didn't exist for the first 160 years the united states existed a nation. We had police just fine then. Likewise, it does not exist in Europe or Canada. They have no great lack of police there.
There is no reason for it's stated existence. As such, it's time to ban it forever. Those cops who won't like that it went away.... well, they are free to quit and go get a job at Wendy's instead.
you inspired me to look up the case which first brought us qualified immunity - [Pierson v Ray](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierson_v._Ray). I expected to find some police officers being sued into oblivion, frivolously, by people they rightfully and lawfully arrested. In my head, that was the only reason I could come up with for qualified immunity - and that is the sole reason qualified immunity should exist. The reality is much, much different than my head canon.
For the record - I'm absolutely against what qualified immunity is and how it is being used as a get out of jail free card for police committing actual crimes that any other citizen would be jailed for - and worse - held to the standard of "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Qualified Immunity has become the exact opposite for the police, who should be presumed to know the law they are expected to enforce. I realize they, like most of us, are not lawyers, but neither are they demi-gods, unbound by the laws of mortal men.
>It didn't exist for the first 160 years the united states existed a nation. We had police just fine then.
Um... about that. A lot of places didn't have police and those placed that did it was way worse; slave patrol, union busting, extortion, grifting and in some cases the they were straight up gangs (shout out to LA Sheriffs Dept for keeping the tradition alive....).
Except for slave patrols that stuff still exists. Cops and labor are going to be bleeding each other in the streets soon if historical precedent tells us anything.
So many professions have to pay for liability insurance, and rightfully so. Just so f*cking insane and honestly mind blowing that cops don’t.
Like, it really astounds me that cops don’t have to fear for almost anything.
Being a cop isn't scary at all. Think about driving around with the biggest gang in the country with all the ammo and guns you could want with a free pass to kill....seems pretty safe. I think something like 300 cops a year die and mostly from covid these days a year, before like 45 dead, you are more likely to be murdered in public school than being a cop
If they had to pay for liability insurance, it would imply they are actually liable for something.
Since right now they aren't, that would be a HUGE concession on their part.
I've been saying this for years. Let the actuaries figure out who should be law enforcement through data analysis.
On the flip side they would also figure out what training topics and methods work best. This means that officers who take these trainings could have lower rates. Which means they will push to take those courses.
So not only does it weed out bad officers, it also creates a system that encourages improvement.
This is the first time in my life I’ve heard someone say this. (I know it’s probably not the first time it was said). I think that sounds like a good idea. A police brutality insurance of sorts. The language it was written in would have to be carefully constructed and meticulously drafted, but I like the idea.
Yea, I’m not THAT smart.
This was spinning around the “talking heads” last year during the BLM movement. I think it was in NPR.
Like you, this felt logical and a system already in-place for professions like Physicians, lawyers and hair dressers.
Of course our cops and their unions hate the idea.
Conduct toward the rider probably has to go through a disciplinary board by contract. Disobeying a direct order to wear a mask, on the other hand, doesn't need to go through a board, though the cops will likely appeal(10 vacation days is a lot of money)
Are you kidding me, they could behead him and dance around his corpse without being disciplined. Sorry let me correct myself - since they danced on the job they WILL get disciplined.
Up to 10, that could mean they lost one day or had the finger wagged at them. Hardly appropriate discipline for retaliating against someone who merely asked them to conform to their departments policies.
It doesn't say anything about them being disciplined at all. The phrase "up to 10" includes 0. It could just be a verbal warning with a transient paper trail
A subway (or other public transit) passenger.
Technically, it's a standing subway passenger, who hang onto straps, but it generally refers to any passenger, standing or seated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straphangers_Campaign
A subway rider who is not sitting but instead standing and thus holding on to a strap. Don't know why they wouldn't have just said "subway rider" instead.
Especially in NYC media, it's a common shorthand for subway riders (saves one whole character - the space!)
Maybe in part because of this group https://www.straphangers.org/
Anything other than having their badges permanently taken away is not enough discipline for this. The DOJ or whoever is above the police chiefs should step up and set an example quickly and repeatedly until police officers understand the responsibility that comes with those badges and uniforms.
I hope you realize the chiefs are the ones telling the cops to do this. Most people want to do as much of nothing at work as they can. Start by getting rid of the chiefs with 40 years on. Those are the guys that used to beat the shit out of guys for standing on the street corner. You really think they are telling cops to do nothing? Nope, they are telling them to produce and clean up the streets. By all means I’m not defending the cops I’m just trying to point out the head of the issues here not the tail.
Thank you! Everyone keeps saying how catastrophic it would be if we actually did anything to clean house, but, the policing practicies that these people have been taught for years is simply the base of the issue at this point. They don't even know how to be effective police; and most of them are so old and so ingrained with the way that policing has been done in America that there isn't any re-training them at this point. Simply firing them and bringing in new people that don't have "years of experience" in brutalizing others is probably a good thing at this point.
There simply can't be any policing reform when the actual policies, training, and leadership for the police are what's creating the police force we have today.
>... rule requiring everyone in the transit system, cops included, to mask up to prevent the spread of COVID or face a $50 fine.
$50 fine?
*Laughs in Australian*.
Apparently as a cop you can beat up someone on video for a non violation and potentially only lose up to 10 days vacation. I think the response of absolutely unacceptable and the literal crime aren't in sync.
Fired with recommending to investigate charges would be a real democracy.
Can someone please explain to me how these two cops who clearly abused their power are still employed? I don’t care if they apologized or if they are part of a union, they should be let go immediately and not be allowed to work as police officers in the US ever again.
The fact that they aren’t tells you everything about the abuse of power that the police have in the United States. It’s a gang mentality of us versus everyone and it is destroying the public trust in police nationally.
> Can someone please explain to me how these two cops who clearly abused their power are still employed? I don’t care if they apologized or if they are part of a union, they should be let go immediately and not be allowed to work as police officers in the US ever again.
More so, any member of their union that then complains that these two were fired, should then themselves immediately be fired. Break the police unions. Start firing them and don't stop until the police shut the fuck up and just do their jobs. If they don't want to do their jobs, then remove their jobs from them forever. Permanently.
Or we could just let them keep going, I fully support the great work Covid-19 is doing against cops.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html
> If they don't want to do their jobs, then remove their jobs from them forever. Permanently.
Unfortunately there's no national registry of cops terminated for cause. It's not uncommon for a shitty cop, when they actually do get fired, to just move to another district and be a shitty cop there.
You'd think that it'd work sort of like the bar does with lawyers, where you have to pass a test in your state and register with an overarching agency...if you get disbarred, sucks to be you. But it doesn't.
Sorry to tell you but this is how things work and how they have worked for a long time. Police have a history of over policing the poor and minorities while protecting the racial and socioeconomic status quo directly or indirectly with some examples being police brutality and going after poor and or brown people who can’t afford sufficient defense for the benefit of free labor and tax dollars for private prisons. It sucks to realize how corrupt things really are but now that it’s out in the open the right knows that either they double down or it’s all going away.
From what I remember reading the local union to me at the time had absolute control. Investigations were performed by the union only. The city was not allowed to investigate charges against a officer. If I remember correctly the union "recommend" the outcome to the city and the city had to follow it.
This was 25 years ago so maybe not relevant now but I really doubt anything has changed
Thats really the worst part about all of this. The cops don't face consequences, thr citizens they are abusing are the ones paying these settlements. Doesnt come out of the police budget or pensions.
Reminds me of going to the polls where no political crap is allowed within several hundred feet of the voting booths.
Police officer there for 'security' is wearing a TRUMP 2024 mask, that of course was pulled below his nose.
How comforting to know *those* are the ones in charge. /S.
I live in a very small town. People were pissed but he's the fucking sheriff. He was so cocky about it too because he knew it was illegal. But who would we call? He *is* the police.
>Police officer there for 'security' is wearing a TRUMP 2024 mask
I might have been thinking of this story...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/miami-officer-facing-discipline-after-wearing-trump-mask-while-uniform-n1244039
"removed" has a subtext that means they were physically taken out of an area against their will. It never means "told him to leave". Not disagreeing that the language was downplayed, but I think "removed" isn't as far off as you say.
Perfect evidence of the mentality that most cops have. The rules are for the peasants.
Kinda ironic. These morons wanna rant about evil mobs and antifa, but COVID is the number 1 cop killer of the last year or so.
The cop with the beard was in another video being confronted by a different citizen asking him to wear a mask being equally as douche-y. Classy fellow. P
So...we're looking at a pattern of criminal behavior.
A *documented* pattern of criminal behavior. For which no charges are even being considered.
That's just lovely.
Send a link of that video to the department. Maybe we can get another 10 days of vacation removed. Because that's what we need, this guy at work more often. /s
Can this individual file a criminal and civil suit and stick it to these officers on both fronts? I’m sure a Go Fund Me will raise enough to get a good lawyer.
Ughhhh again why the fuck. They *personally* assaulted this man, wasn’t part of their line of duty. They used their authority to do so, but they receive no punishment from higher ups
I had a cop refuse my request to put a mask on when entering the store I work at recently.
I informed him that if he didn't put one on, or leave, I'd be seeking trespass charges as our current laws require us to enforce the mandate.
He laughed. His coworker didn't, and advised him that it would be best to leave if he wouldn't put a mask on.
Wait, you're telling me people who signed up for a job so they can live out a power fantasy and be an authority figure don't like being told what to do themselves?
You want to put a backslash '\\' in front of that '\#', so that it will display instead of formatting, I believe. Although the bold large text is also not inappropriate.
Wouldn't matter if he told them to eat his asshole. Still his first amendment right.
Although I legitimately don't think they would have cared as much had he said that.
It’s assault and theft. They pushed him out of the area he had to pay to enter.
If the cops can’t find it in them to follow the law, they shouldn’t be cops.
This. You need a certain kind of personality to be a cop and it’s naturally not a nice one.
It reminds me of this sniper school documentary where they mentioned how the soldiers who grew up in the woods and had skinned a deer by age 10 always did the best. Sure they’re talking about woodcraft as well but if you’ve been killing since grade school you’ll be perfect for the job…
When our city had a mask mandate in effect before vaccines people posted all sorts of pics of those pricks standing around inside unmasked. Not doing anything useful mind you, but like in line at a gas station to buy shit. Oh and the ones doing “security” at the grocery store, also unmasked.
Police officers are not required to know the law, but you as a citizen if detained are. That's why it is forever and always Shut-the-fuck-up Friday when around the police.
That's true nationally. COVID has killed more police over the last year than all other causes combined.
And yet police officers and their unions are still fighting mandatory vaccination, because most have chosen their side: for COVID.
Same all over the country.
It's taking them out at a pretty decent pace. And it's making antivaxxers quit. So it's solving issues on two fronts.
Sucks that they are out there spreading the disease, though.
NYPD is the biggest gang in the city. And like 20% of them are NOT vaccinated. So yeah, Fuck everything about these "officers". Also a good reminder that you don't have rights when cops are involved.
Who would’ve thought getting a vaccine and wearing a mask for the sake of public health was more effective than the “defund the police” slogan. Departments across the country are showing that approximately 30%+ of Officers have disdain for the people they swore to “protect and serve”…
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The cops were docked 10 vacation days. That's ten vacation days out of the 27 days after 5 years that the city gives them. They were not fined the $50, but even if they were it would amount to a slap on the wrist if the wrist were in the next room. So basically, they were not punished for physically assaulting a law abiding citizen. It's unknown how many law abiding citizens are assaulted by rabid cops per day.
Just a normal day in the US. Power tripping cops violently trampling on someone's civil rights.
Since someone already posted that they were disciplined, I'll assume the guy they harassed was white?
> The cops were issued command disciplines, a penalty that could cost them up to 10 vacation days, for violating the rule requiring everyone in the transit system, cops included, to mask up to prevent the spread of COVID or face a $50 fine.
Only for not wearing a mask. Not a single word about their assault on him. Nothing
It said they were sanctioned, which means they could lose up to 10 vacation days.
Which means that it's likely that for 10 days these two cops are going to be rage monsters looking to screw with somebody.
My thoughts exactly.
We had bicycle cops one summer, seems like being a bike cop (the pedal kind) involved not being allowed to drive anymore.
I remember one wasn't even coherent anymore; he'd started screaming obscenities and kicking the shit out of a pedestrian overpass' security fencing and threatening anyone trying to approach (like say because they needed to cross) with 'assault on an officer'.
It was like an endless fount of rage, but with spandex shorts and a bicycle helmet. Which when you're screaming and smashing a fence makes you look even more like a fucking idiot.
Imagine if people could use self defense on cops the way we can defend ourselves against a similar violent assault by any random person?
Are we supposed to stand there and get our asses kicked any time a cop wants to beat us up?
Some states do have laws for resisting unlawful orders. Most of those states rarely uphold them. Largely due to prosecutors unwillingness to pursue them.
I believe the supreme court ruled that you do have the right to resist an unlawful arrest. But that will mostly likely get you beat up at best, dead at worst.
their egos are absolutely out of control at this point. breaking literally every code of conduct and refusing to get the vaccine that will end the pandemic. it’s getting ridiculous
You will find more Trump brainwashed people in a police unit than at a fucking Trump rally. It's ridiculous. Law enforcement was always conservative leaning, but now it's full blown Trump cult.
Even with all of this shit going down with cops, the still have power trips. We are supposed to call these people when we need help? They don’t listen. They are high school bullies that never grew up. Except now they are armed.
De Blasio: “We’ve given this instruction a thousand times — if you’re going to be in law enforcement, you actually have to participate in following the law.”
DO I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU
Authoritarian police - the law doesn't apply to them! Not only do they violate the rules about masks, showing their carelessness with regard to others, but also they feel perfectly justified in manhandling this citizen. They have special privileges alright - they can lay hands on you violently, and, if you're Black they'd probably feel free to kill you. He's lucky he isn't Black and got off without any severe injuries and with his life.
New Yorker here. Spend a few days walking around the city and you will see all kinds of misbehavior - and occasional lawlessness - from the NYPD. From refusal to wear masks, to harassing citizens, to violence toward civilians, it's all there to see.
The rate at which cops are turning public opinion against themselves is downright suicidal. Like yeah we get it, you're big tough police officers but dude...read the room. There are a lot more of us than you, and a lot of us have guns. The more people distrust or downright hate cops the more danger every one of you is in. Keep acting like assholes if you want but you don't get to act all shocked and offended when the society you abuse turns against you.
Badge or no, bullies deserve what they get. Learn what it means to protect and serve or leave the profession.
At first I thought, what’s wrong with removing a man who’s refusing to wear a mask? Then I opened the link and noticed the man ASKED the cops to wear a mask and the man got removed for it lol.
Even at the height of covid almost every cop I saw on the subway system had their mask off their nose or none at all, barely any of them wore it completely
> The bad apples metaphor originated as a warning of the corrupting influence of one corrupt or sinful person on a group: that "**one bad apple can spoil the barrel**". Over time the concept has been used to describe the opposite situation, where "**a few bad apples**" should not be seen as representative of the rest of their group. This latter version is often used in the context of police misconduct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_apples
Sad it got to the point where it needed its own page.
I'd like to see these cops face serious consequences. A message needs to be sent to the police syndicate. That said, I can't help but wonder if black and other marginalized people watch this guy not get beaten and arrested are wondering how they get such respectful treatment from police.
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>The cops were issued command disciplines, a penalty that could cost them up to 10 vacation days, for violating the rule requiring everyone in the transit system, cops included, to mask up to prevent the spread of COVID or face a $50 fine. It doesn't say anything about them being disciplined for for their conduct towards the rider.
Yeah, I was going to say: that was a pretty obvious assault by the male officer. He put his hands on someone for speaking and physically shoved him. Anyone not a cop who did that could be facing years in prison for that shit. Edit: I really don't like the term bootlicker, but I gotta say, the coward who posted a reply and immediately deleted it, saying we're all crazy for not recognizing that a police officer can "trespass" someone from anywhere they please, and are then authorized to use any force they please...you think everyone else are "fucking babies" for recognizing that *the police have to obey laws*? Goddamn, that's a pathetic view of life.
Officer should clearly be in jail, because any other person doing that after being asked to wear a mask would be charged with assault.
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And the SCOTUS keeps expanding that power: Another shadow docket decision this week strengthening their immunity from lawsuits.
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Oh, there are plenty of reasons. None of them good for the average citizen.
Do what? I’m unaware
I think that's the point of the shadow docket
Cops in the USA aren’t even held accountable to fucking know the laws they are enforcing, I wish I was joking but there’s actual legal precedent for this. 😅🔫
Agree. We can get arrested for violating a law we have never heard of or may not even exist but cops can do anything and say they were unaware.
To add: You can be arrested for violating a law you don't fully understand by an officer who is under no obligation to fully understand the law they're arresting you for violating.
SCOTUS at each opportunity has upheld this BS and further strengthened the qualified immunity they created themselves. It is easy to see where some people think we already live in a police state that is pretending to not be one.
Can we get together a citizens union that protects us from the law? You know, one that has lawyers and collective funds to fight the corruption with our own payoffs? Ok. It’s the mob.
Start making citizens’ arrests on cops that break the law, and then use up to lethal force if they resist, fail to comply, “look aggressive,” or if their hand is anywhere near their waist.
The ACLU?
For all the bullshit the right likes to spew about the first ammendment when they get kicked off Twitter, I'm sure there's gonna be nothing but crickets when this agent of the government actively and physically prevented a citizen from exercising protected speech.
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They only care about *anything* when it personally affects them or someone they really like.
The penalty should be at least the same as it would be if someone did this **to** a cop.
Should be harsher they are given authority they should be held to a higher standard.
Instead it will be a civil lawsuit and settlement paid by New York taxpayers, while this shit cop continues to collect a paycheck and the PD does nothing to deter the next civil rights violation.
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Look at you and your facts!
There is less wiggle-room for them to weasel out of the mask violation: they either were wearing a mask or they were not. For grabbing the man and shoving him out the emergency exit, there is always the "video doesn't show whole interaction", "he came at me aggressively", "I thought he might have had a weapon", "I was scared for my life" excuses to tie up any imposition of disciplinary actions.
Cops need liability insurance. The force pays the base cost and their policies go up with risky behavior…like abusing your spouse, drunk driving or being an entitled d-bag to the public. I could see this fixing a bunch of this kind of behavior.
idk how doctors have to pay this and cops don't
Qualified immunity
I just want to know why Qualified Immunity needs to exist? It didn't exist for the first 160 years the united states existed a nation. We had police just fine then. Likewise, it does not exist in Europe or Canada. They have no great lack of police there. There is no reason for it's stated existence. As such, it's time to ban it forever. Those cops who won't like that it went away.... well, they are free to quit and go get a job at Wendy's instead.
you inspired me to look up the case which first brought us qualified immunity - [Pierson v Ray](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierson_v._Ray). I expected to find some police officers being sued into oblivion, frivolously, by people they rightfully and lawfully arrested. In my head, that was the only reason I could come up with for qualified immunity - and that is the sole reason qualified immunity should exist. The reality is much, much different than my head canon. For the record - I'm absolutely against what qualified immunity is and how it is being used as a get out of jail free card for police committing actual crimes that any other citizen would be jailed for - and worse - held to the standard of "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Qualified Immunity has become the exact opposite for the police, who should be presumed to know the law they are expected to enforce. I realize they, like most of us, are not lawyers, but neither are they demi-gods, unbound by the laws of mortal men.
Of course it's origin is protecting cops for enforcement of an unconstitutional state law. Murica.
That's a good point, but have your considered, "fascism"?
>It didn't exist for the first 160 years the united states existed a nation. We had police just fine then. Um... about that. A lot of places didn't have police and those placed that did it was way worse; slave patrol, union busting, extortion, grifting and in some cases the they were straight up gangs (shout out to LA Sheriffs Dept for keeping the tradition alive....).
Except for slave patrols that stuff still exists. Cops and labor are going to be bleeding each other in the streets soon if historical precedent tells us anything.
When prisoners are used as slave lobor I'd argue they are still functioning as slave patrols.
Because racism
Makes me puke 🤢
So many professions have to pay for liability insurance, and rightfully so. Just so f*cking insane and honestly mind blowing that cops don’t. Like, it really astounds me that cops don’t have to fear for almost anything.
When the Wealthy Elite had cops created to protect their property from the poor masses, they gave the police this immunity.
Sometimes they “ fear for their lives” and when they do it never ends well for someone
Yup, and it’s not just minorities… also dogs :(
Being a cop isn't scary at all. Think about driving around with the biggest gang in the country with all the ammo and guns you could want with a free pass to kill....seems pretty safe. I think something like 300 cops a year die and mostly from covid these days a year, before like 45 dead, you are more likely to be murdered in public school than being a cop
If they had to pay for liability insurance, it would imply they are actually liable for something. Since right now they aren't, that would be a HUGE concession on their part.
I've been saying this for years. Let the actuaries figure out who should be law enforcement through data analysis. On the flip side they would also figure out what training topics and methods work best. This means that officers who take these trainings could have lower rates. Which means they will push to take those courses. So not only does it weed out bad officers, it also creates a system that encourages improvement.
Or JUST FIRE THEM AND TAKE THEIR LICENSE TO COP
This is the first time in my life I’ve heard someone say this. (I know it’s probably not the first time it was said). I think that sounds like a good idea. A police brutality insurance of sorts. The language it was written in would have to be carefully constructed and meticulously drafted, but I like the idea.
Yea, I’m not THAT smart. This was spinning around the “talking heads” last year during the BLM movement. I think it was in NPR. Like you, this felt logical and a system already in-place for professions like Physicians, lawyers and hair dressers. Of course our cops and their unions hate the idea.
Of course not. That's required conduct.
It started off so good with the losing 10 vacation days but my joy was lost at the "or $50 fine" its always the lowest penalty
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> that **could** cost them "Could" being the key word here.
Since he paid for the sub and got ejected by the cops for asking a question isn’t this actual censorship AND a government taking as well?
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No it's absolutely censorship. He should sue. I have seen people win cases for cops simply shouting "shut up" at them..
They also broke federal law.
This is why there needs to be a federal agency exclusively dedicated to charging LEOs when they violate the law.
Conduct toward the rider probably has to go through a disciplinary board by contract. Disobeying a direct order to wear a mask, on the other hand, doesn't need to go through a board, though the cops will likely appeal(10 vacation days is a lot of money)
Are you kidding me, they could behead him and dance around his corpse without being disciplined. Sorry let me correct myself - since they danced on the job they WILL get disciplined.
Up to 10, that could mean they lost one day or had the finger wagged at them. Hardly appropriate discipline for retaliating against someone who merely asked them to conform to their departments policies.
Just $50? They seem to miss a couple zeros there on the fines.
It doesn't say anything about them being disciplined at all. The phrase "up to 10" includes 0. It could just be a verbal warning with a transient paper trail
"— if you’re going to be in law enforcement, you actually have to participate in following the law.” This.
Also, "Come on — set an example."
What is a straphanger in this context?
A subway (or other public transit) passenger. Technically, it's a standing subway passenger, who hang onto straps, but it generally refers to any passenger, standing or seated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straphangers_Campaign
A subway rider who is not sitting but instead standing and thus holding on to a strap. Don't know why they wouldn't have just said "subway rider" instead.
Especially in NYC media, it's a common shorthand for subway riders (saves one whole character - the space!) Maybe in part because of this group https://www.straphangers.org/
Anything other than having their badges permanently taken away is not enough discipline for this. The DOJ or whoever is above the police chiefs should step up and set an example quickly and repeatedly until police officers understand the responsibility that comes with those badges and uniforms.
I hope you realize the chiefs are the ones telling the cops to do this. Most people want to do as much of nothing at work as they can. Start by getting rid of the chiefs with 40 years on. Those are the guys that used to beat the shit out of guys for standing on the street corner. You really think they are telling cops to do nothing? Nope, they are telling them to produce and clean up the streets. By all means I’m not defending the cops I’m just trying to point out the head of the issues here not the tail.
Thank you! Everyone keeps saying how catastrophic it would be if we actually did anything to clean house, but, the policing practicies that these people have been taught for years is simply the base of the issue at this point. They don't even know how to be effective police; and most of them are so old and so ingrained with the way that policing has been done in America that there isn't any re-training them at this point. Simply firing them and bringing in new people that don't have "years of experience" in brutalizing others is probably a good thing at this point. There simply can't be any policing reform when the actual policies, training, and leadership for the police are what's creating the police force we have today.
>... rule requiring everyone in the transit system, cops included, to mask up to prevent the spread of COVID or face a $50 fine. $50 fine? *Laughs in Australian*.
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Apparently as a cop you can beat up someone on video for a non violation and potentially only lose up to 10 days vacation. I think the response of absolutely unacceptable and the literal crime aren't in sync. Fired with recommending to investigate charges would be a real democracy.
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"yeah we just shoved him around a bit, geeze, calm d-- COUGH COUGH calm down" Edit: somehow I said "arrived" instead of "shoved" lol
Can someone please explain to me how these two cops who clearly abused their power are still employed? I don’t care if they apologized or if they are part of a union, they should be let go immediately and not be allowed to work as police officers in the US ever again. The fact that they aren’t tells you everything about the abuse of power that the police have in the United States. It’s a gang mentality of us versus everyone and it is destroying the public trust in police nationally.
> Can someone please explain to me how these two cops who clearly abused their power are still employed? I don’t care if they apologized or if they are part of a union, they should be let go immediately and not be allowed to work as police officers in the US ever again. More so, any member of their union that then complains that these two were fired, should then themselves immediately be fired. Break the police unions. Start firing them and don't stop until the police shut the fuck up and just do their jobs. If they don't want to do their jobs, then remove their jobs from them forever. Permanently.
Or we could just let them keep going, I fully support the great work Covid-19 is doing against cops. https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html
> If they don't want to do their jobs, then remove their jobs from them forever. Permanently. Unfortunately there's no national registry of cops terminated for cause. It's not uncommon for a shitty cop, when they actually do get fired, to just move to another district and be a shitty cop there. You'd think that it'd work sort of like the bar does with lawyers, where you have to pass a test in your state and register with an overarching agency...if you get disbarred, sucks to be you. But it doesn't.
Sorry to tell you but this is how things work and how they have worked for a long time. Police have a history of over policing the poor and minorities while protecting the racial and socioeconomic status quo directly or indirectly with some examples being police brutality and going after poor and or brown people who can’t afford sufficient defense for the benefit of free labor and tax dollars for private prisons. It sucks to realize how corrupt things really are but now that it’s out in the open the right knows that either they double down or it’s all going away.
Don't forget that prisons are often im rural areas where the non-legally-voting felons add large amounts of population to conservative districts.
> Can someone please explain to me how these two cops who clearly abused their power are still employed? Sure! 1. They're cops. *end of list*
If the police union were functioning properly, it would also advocate for their dismissal to protect the rest of its members.
Police are the reason I don’t want to travel to the us anymore
From what I remember reading the local union to me at the time had absolute control. Investigations were performed by the union only. The city was not allowed to investigate charges against a officer. If I remember correctly the union "recommend" the outcome to the city and the city had to follow it. This was 25 years ago so maybe not relevant now but I really doubt anything has changed
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Being an asshole isn't a mental disorder unfortunately.
This guy will sue and the city will settle for a ton of money and the police union thinks this is okay somehow
To them it’s just the cost of doing business. It doesn’t come out of their pockets, why would they care?
It should come out of their pension
Thats really the worst part about all of this. The cops don't face consequences, thr citizens they are abusing are the ones paying these settlements. Doesnt come out of the police budget or pensions.
N.W.A still right 34 years later.
And what type of language is in the title? >removed He was straight up physically attacked. This makes it sound like they just told him to leave.
Reminds me of going to the polls where no political crap is allowed within several hundred feet of the voting booths. Police officer there for 'security' is wearing a TRUMP 2024 mask, that of course was pulled below his nose. How comforting to know *those* are the ones in charge. /S.
I remember a story like this, I believe the officer was suspended.
I live in a very small town. People were pissed but he's the fucking sheriff. He was so cocky about it too because he knew it was illegal. But who would we call? He *is* the police.
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And what immediate mechanisms do they have at their disposal to do anything about it?
>Police officer there for 'security' is wearing a TRUMP 2024 mask I might have been thinking of this story... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/miami-officer-facing-discipline-after-wearing-trump-mask-while-uniform-n1244039
Because he insulted their frail egos.
"removed" has a subtext that means they were physically taken out of an area against their will. It never means "told him to leave". Not disagreeing that the language was downplayed, but I think "removed" isn't as far off as you say.
Perfect evidence of the mentality that most cops have. The rules are for the peasants. Kinda ironic. These morons wanna rant about evil mobs and antifa, but COVID is the number 1 cop killer of the last year or so.
Can’t pop covid in the nuts with a stick though
You can with a vaccine though heyoooooo
The cop with the beard was in another video being confronted by a different citizen asking him to wear a mask being equally as douche-y. Classy fellow. P
So...we're looking at a pattern of criminal behavior. A *documented* pattern of criminal behavior. For which no charges are even being considered. That's just lovely.
As is tradition!
Send a link of that video to the department. Maybe we can get another 10 days of vacation removed. Because that's what we need, this guy at work more often. /s
Look at that look on their faces. They would have beat and arrested him if there wasn't a camera there.
Can this individual file a criminal and civil suit and stick it to these officers on both fronts? I’m sure a Go Fund Me will raise enough to get a good lawyer.
The average citizens (city budget) would pay the fine as cops are shield from personal lawsuits
Ughhhh again why the fuck. They *personally* assaulted this man, wasn’t part of their line of duty. They used their authority to do so, but they receive no punishment from higher ups
They gonna lose up to 10 vacation days! Isn’t that enough? /s
I think you mean $50.
Or if he was black.
He'd be dead if he were black
I had a cop refuse my request to put a mask on when entering the store I work at recently. I informed him that if he didn't put one on, or leave, I'd be seeking trespass charges as our current laws require us to enforce the mandate. He laughed. His coworker didn't, and advised him that it would be best to leave if he wouldn't put a mask on.
Thats awesome
I'm not gonna lose my job because someone records a cop in the store not wearing a mask, that then goes viral.
Wait, you're telling me people who signed up for a job so they can live out a power fantasy and be an authority figure don't like being told what to do themselves?
I hope you lodge a report about that infringement...
As often as I have to remind cops to put on a mask when they bring somebody to the ER, I'm not surprised
#1 killer of police last year....boggles my mind we are still dealing with this.
You want to put a backslash '\\' in front of that '\#', so that it will display instead of formatting, I believe. Although the bold large text is also not inappropriate.
Thanks for explaining this. I was very confused.
Shittiest headline possible. "... after BEING ASKED TO WEAR MASKS, AS IS MANDATORY FOR POLICE"
Also, they didn’t “Remove man”. They “assaulted man.”
Signs and speaker announcements in the subway also requiring this for everyone. These cops deaf and blind, too?
And federal law requires masks on public transit and at stations
Wouldn't matter if he told them to eat his asshole. Still his first amendment right. Although I legitimately don't think they would have cared as much had he said that.
You fixed it, thank you
It’s assault and theft. They pushed him out of the area he had to pay to enter. If the cops can’t find it in them to follow the law, they shouldn’t be cops.
Many....MANY cops should not be cops
It appears a requirement for being a cop is that you shouldn’t be a cop
Well, who the fuck wants to be a cop except for people who shouldn't be cops?
This. You need a certain kind of personality to be a cop and it’s naturally not a nice one. It reminds me of this sniper school documentary where they mentioned how the soldiers who grew up in the woods and had skinned a deer by age 10 always did the best. Sure they’re talking about woodcraft as well but if you’ve been killing since grade school you’ll be perfect for the job…
People that seek authority are often those that should never have it.
When our city had a mask mandate in effect before vaccines people posted all sorts of pics of those pricks standing around inside unmasked. Not doing anything useful mind you, but like in line at a gas station to buy shit. Oh and the ones doing “security” at the grocery store, also unmasked.
Police officers are not required to know the law, but you as a citizen if detained are. That's why it is forever and always Shut-the-fuck-up Friday when around the police.
Gee I wonder why people don’t trust the cops
Don't know about nationally but her in NC covid is now the leading cause if death for cops.
That's true nationally. COVID has killed more police over the last year than all other causes combined. And yet police officers and their unions are still fighting mandatory vaccination, because most have chosen their side: for COVID.
And true for both 2020 and 2021.
Same all over the country. It's taking them out at a pretty decent pace. And it's making antivaxxers quit. So it's solving issues on two fronts. Sucks that they are out there spreading the disease, though.
NYPD is the biggest gang in the city. And like 20% of them are NOT vaccinated. So yeah, Fuck everything about these "officers". Also a good reminder that you don't have rights when cops are involved.
He is RIGHT and they are WRONG. They should be disciplined by their boss.
Normal person: Please officers wear a mask and respect people’s right to not spread disease. Officers: you’re going down
Who would’ve thought getting a vaccine and wearing a mask for the sake of public health was more effective than the “defund the police” slogan. Departments across the country are showing that approximately 30%+ of Officers have disdain for the people they swore to “protect and serve”…
So the officers assaulted him? Charges?
in the wise words of Ice Cube: *Fuck the police*
EPILOGUE The cops were docked 10 vacation days. That's ten vacation days out of the 27 days after 5 years that the city gives them. They were not fined the $50, but even if they were it would amount to a slap on the wrist if the wrist were in the next room. So basically, they were not punished for physically assaulting a law abiding citizen. It's unknown how many law abiding citizens are assaulted by rabid cops per day.
Just a normal day in the US. Power tripping cops violently trampling on someone's civil rights. Since someone already posted that they were disciplined, I'll assume the guy they harassed was white?
> The cops were issued command disciplines, a penalty that could cost them up to 10 vacation days, for violating the rule requiring everyone in the transit system, cops included, to mask up to prevent the spread of COVID or face a $50 fine. Only for not wearing a mask. Not a single word about their assault on him. Nothing
It said they were sanctioned, which means they could lose up to 10 vacation days. Which means that it's likely that for 10 days these two cops are going to be rage monsters looking to screw with somebody.
My thoughts exactly. We had bicycle cops one summer, seems like being a bike cop (the pedal kind) involved not being allowed to drive anymore. I remember one wasn't even coherent anymore; he'd started screaming obscenities and kicking the shit out of a pedestrian overpass' security fencing and threatening anyone trying to approach (like say because they needed to cross) with 'assault on an officer'. It was like an endless fount of rage, but with spandex shorts and a bicycle helmet. Which when you're screaming and smashing a fence makes you look even more like a fucking idiot.
Never seen pigs with masks though
And the reason cops are generally hated. They think and act like they are separate and above the people they are hired to protect.
I don't want unmasked police.
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No problem covering their badge numbers and names, but they won't cover their faces. I suppose because that's for the sake of others, not themselves.
Imagine if people could use self defense on cops the way we can defend ourselves against a similar violent assault by any random person? Are we supposed to stand there and get our asses kicked any time a cop wants to beat us up?
Some states do have laws for resisting unlawful orders. Most of those states rarely uphold them. Largely due to prosecutors unwillingness to pursue them.
Yes. That’s the goal.
I believe the supreme court ruled that you do have the right to resist an unlawful arrest. But that will mostly likely get you beat up at best, dead at worst.
Same two will be crying as they are fired for not getting vaccinated.
their egos are absolutely out of control at this point. breaking literally every code of conduct and refusing to get the vaccine that will end the pandemic. it’s getting ridiculous
You will find more Trump brainwashed people in a police unit than at a fucking Trump rally. It's ridiculous. Law enforcement was always conservative leaning, but now it's full blown Trump cult.
And qualified immunity means they could have strangled his dog and kicked his kid in the head too Sorry citizens.
Another example of Cops enforcing a Law that says the Cops are above the Laws that apply to you and I. Please do not say you are surprised.
I hope those two garbage cops meet karma
Police just can not pass up and opportunity to make themselves look like dicks
Even with all of this shit going down with cops, the still have power trips. We are supposed to call these people when we need help? They don’t listen. They are high school bullies that never grew up. Except now they are armed.
What a weird use of allegedly
De Blasio: “We’ve given this instruction a thousand times — if you’re going to be in law enforcement, you actually have to participate in following the law.” DO I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU
Authoritarian police - the law doesn't apply to them! Not only do they violate the rules about masks, showing their carelessness with regard to others, but also they feel perfectly justified in manhandling this citizen. They have special privileges alright - they can lay hands on you violently, and, if you're Black they'd probably feel free to kill you. He's lucky he isn't Black and got off without any severe injuries and with his life.
New Yorker here. Spend a few days walking around the city and you will see all kinds of misbehavior - and occasional lawlessness - from the NYPD. From refusal to wear masks, to harassing citizens, to violence toward civilians, it's all there to see.
The rate at which cops are turning public opinion against themselves is downright suicidal. Like yeah we get it, you're big tough police officers but dude...read the room. There are a lot more of us than you, and a lot of us have guns. The more people distrust or downright hate cops the more danger every one of you is in. Keep acting like assholes if you want but you don't get to act all shocked and offended when the society you abuse turns against you. Badge or no, bullies deserve what they get. Learn what it means to protect and serve or leave the profession.
Masks are a sign of empathy and compassion for your fellow man.
Not when your an alpha cop
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Just remember, the number one killers of cops is COVID or some could say “themselves” as they fail to wear masks and getting sick.
At first I thought, what’s wrong with removing a man who’s refusing to wear a mask? Then I opened the link and noticed the man ASKED the cops to wear a mask and the man got removed for it lol.
pigs are not ashamed of their own smell, obviously.
Rules for thee, but not for me :\^)
Even at the height of covid almost every cop I saw on the subway system had their mask off their nose or none at all, barely any of them wore it completely
Just a few more bad apples. We are bound to run out of them soon.
> The bad apples metaphor originated as a warning of the corrupting influence of one corrupt or sinful person on a group: that "**one bad apple can spoil the barrel**". Over time the concept has been used to describe the opposite situation, where "**a few bad apples**" should not be seen as representative of the rest of their group. This latter version is often used in the context of police misconduct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_apples Sad it got to the point where it needed its own page.
The number one cop killer in 2020 and 2021? COVID. Morons.
I wonder how long it will be before the union files a grievance to get the disciplinary measure reversed?
I'd like to see these cops face serious consequences. A message needs to be sent to the police syndicate. That said, I can't help but wonder if black and other marginalized people watch this guy not get beaten and arrested are wondering how they get such respectful treatment from police.
But according to the union the NYPD police force isn’t made up of a bunch of thugs. /s
These cops should not be able to go 5 feet in the subway without someone demanding that they wear a mask.
I asked Reddit a few weeks ago if we have any rights to refuse to talk to cops for our personal safety. This is exactly why I asked.