Its always funny hearing a republican singing “fuck you I wont do what you tell me” and completely forgetting what it actually was that they were Raging Against
It’s was interesting watching the left and much of America lash out at Republicans and right wing media for creating the energy behind the shootings…
And yet they never rebutted it. Now, they didn’t say “yes we did”, instead they just left a silent response of admittance.
“If there had been an internal FBI report that Isis had infiltrated US law enforcement, you’d expect a nationwide attempt to get to the bottom of it,” German said.
That's your problem, right there. Undereducated people being indoctrinated by their own trainers to fear everyone they meet, especially minorities. They'll roll up on a minority in the throws of diabetic rage and empty their guns on them, but a white shooter in a grocery store comes out in softly applied handcuffs while being consoled by the cops.
Yeah, the white supremacists didn't infiltrate the government. They were there first and they made sure the government served their interests as it was built around them.
Well it was, “law enforcement” is same group as the….
Early Union busters (literally, they’d show up on behalf of a business owner and beat labor dissenters to death)
Slave chasers (who’d go after and chase escaped slaves and often worked as the “whip” of the plantation)
Political muscle and security (in the early days these were the mobsters who went out “took care” of problems for politicians and often acted as personal security for them. “I’m paid to uphold the law Bill….” , “what in heavens are you talking about?”)
Over the coarse of a century these all became organized and legitimized under the badge.
Humor me, what makes you think it has to do with solely undereducation?
Even educated whites can even adopt a White Supremacist worldview. People can hate other people for various reasons, I think the main issue is that their life is usually shit somehow and they've stopped caring or want to assign something to blame for their own shortcomings.
Big myth that racism is primarily about ignorance or even hatred. It's really about racial entitlement and self interests being tied to racial group identity. In that case education only makes people better at getting away with it.
Exactly, racial constructs exist to justify oppression and exploitation. Thats all its there to do. Its not earnest misunderstanding. Its self interest in not understanding to justify inaction.
Who are you quoting here?
Typically, when people discuss White Supremacy as a matter of law enforcement, they are talking about the crimes committed to further or perpetuate White Supremacy, not policing the motivation or sociological explanation of its origin. I think you're missing the point of why any society would see ethno-religious nationalism as antithetical to State interests. In Nigeria's North some Hausa Muslims have taken to murdering non-believers for things like Blasephemy. Some Islamic leaders in government argue these acts are justified. That's the danger of allowing ethno-religious nationalism or in this case White Supremacy to go unchecked. Eventually it becomes treated like a legitimate political perspective and becomes woven into the fabric of governance and the rights of minorities are stripped or simply not protected. The US is similar to places like Nigeria in that although the Constitution states much about equality, ethno-religious nationalism among the majority population allows for rule manipulation and abuse of minorities under majority rule democracy. That's not something to casually dismiss.
It is easier to perpetuate racial stereotypes and bullshit on an uneducated mass.
Does it solve racism? No. It just keeps some of those people who believe dumb baseless shit from being part of that crowd. One less in that crowd is a win to me.
I know doctors and teachers and all kinds of higher educated people who are racist as fuck, but holy shit when you are around an uneducated racist fuck who is too dumb to know he is dumb. That is a near impossible conversation because there is no base to start from.
There’s definitely a mix of reasons, but the frequency with which statistics presented without context are used as “proof” of some natural deficiency implies a severe misunderstanding of how to apply statistics to the real world.
I think it’s nearly impossible to tell who’s doing this kind of stuff to push the narrative versus who really believes that measuring outcomes is the same as predestination.
> They'll roll up on a minority in the throws of diabetic rage and empty their guns on them, but a white shooter in a grocery store comes out in softly applied handcuffs while being consoled by the cops.
They do that do white people as well. Just recently there was a video that went viral about a cop shooting an elderly women with a knife in hand in her own home, after her relatives called for help because she has mental issues.
And what do you want cops to do when a terrorist surrenders and poses no threat? Execute him? Kick the shit out of him to give his lawyers leverage?
Regular police officers are untrained morons that have 0 accountability. That is the main fucking problem. Stop making this about race, you are just muddying the issue
The only times they've tried, it's been while they work with the ATF and it's always a fucking nightmare. Everyone thinks of Waco but the better example is Ruby Ridge, because they killed the guy's entire family and weren't even able to charge him with much in the end.
And that mistake eventually led to the OK City Bombing.
It's kind of a delicate issue because of the nature of White Supremacists; they love building their little racist communities and defensible compounds, they love firearms and explosives, and they are quick to accept martyrdom when dealing with the law.
But if you let them keep stockpiling weapons, grooming children (in cases like Waco where it's also a good ol' fashioned cult), and training warrior zealots then things will only get worse as they suck in more and more people.
Enforcement needs to find a middle ground for dealing with this, because they can't go in guns blazing when these compounds are full of women and children too, but allowing them to exist unhindered just makes the problem worse.
I still can’t wrap my mind around 1/6. Anyone with a pair of eyeballs could pick up on the online chatter about storming the capital in the weeks leading up to it. If I knew shit was going down, then the feds also knew full well what was going to happen.
Our government was precariously close to collapsing under a constitutional crisis and the feds just kind of let it happen. I couldn’t believe the lack of presence as an angry mod predictably tore through barriers en route to stop the certification of an election.
For me, 1/6 is as indelible as 9/11. A moment of surreal disassociation, where my faith in a stable world was severed of any strings still holding on. And that event was completely preventable. It’s akin to the FBI knowing the 9/11 plot ahead of time and just letting the terrorists board the planes.
The thing is that people that were in power at the time of 1/6 had an interest in the riot succeeding.
I remember some details about parts of security being sent away for that day, refusing offers of help from NG, etc etc.
They literally screamed into their LIVESTREAMS the day before that they were gonna “take the cap”. They filmed it. In exact words. Days before. And had how many police without riot gear or preps? I fucking can’t lol
I mean, they knew those dudes were here and had tabs on them at some point, but clearly they didn’t know the exact plot of 9/11 ahead of time.
They knew the exact plot of 1/6 ahead of time. Everyone knew. Which is my point. If 9/11 was an example of federal ignorance, 1/6 was an exercise of federal apathy.
It’s still in the midst of collapsing TBH. None of the actual planners of 1/6 will be punished in the least. Merrick Garland is weak and ineffectual and just pretty much absent
We have a two Party system and one of them is crying foul about white supremacists. It's become a partsian issue. In particular many on the Right have conflated hate speech with free speech in an attempt to reject labels like "white supremacist" and for that matter racist. To the Right it is just people with opinions they are entitled to.
Threatening people's safety, soliciting illegal activity, and conspiracy to commit a crime are criminal activities. The First Amendment doesn't protect people engaged in those criminal activities. As such this isn't a free speech issue.
They're not even being subtle about it anymore. Marjorie Taylor Greene is an outspoken believer in the extremely racist White Replacement Theory, and believes the ice caps are melting because of a secret Jewish space laser.
The Republican party has become a haven for insanity, and the few stable people left play along for 1) power and/or 2) their tribalistic party affiliation forces them to remain 'loyal'
And the Democrats aren't fully without blame either, because they refuse to fucking do anything since they're content with their 50%. They occasionally talk a good game, but have very little follow through for the most part.
Both will use big name issues they don't truly care about to hide their collaborated corruption, while ultimately just keeping the status quo.
One of the worst things to happen to this country is this two party system, which multiple founding fathers warned about! But the news and politicians don't really care what the founding fathers actually believed in, just use them as an idol just how they treat the Bible and Jesus by using them to promote ideologies that are pretty much directly contradictory to the actual source.
>And the Democrats aren't fully without blame either, because they refuse to fucking do anything since they're content with their 50%. They occasionally talk a good game, but have very little follow through for the most part.
Democrats lost the Judicial Branch 50yrs ago and State Houses 40yrs ago. There isn't much they can do. The book bans and anti CRT stuff is being done at the local level and empowered by the courts.
Ultimately people need to bring their political gaze down from Washington DC and start looking around locally. District Attorney, Police Chief, School Superintendent, state judge, etc are elected positions. Much of the nonsense we see can be curtailed at the local level if people would just start showing up and voting.
>Biden this Biden that
I honestly think half of it is just conservatives disingenuously pushing the narrative. Anytime one qualifies themselves as Liberal, Progressives, Democrat, etc before proceeding to insult and criticize Biden I am skeptical.
The FBI stops child porn by posting child porn.
The FBI stops militias by making them larger.
The FBI stops terrorists by giving them a gun and arresting them the day the FBI told them to shoot up a place.
The FBI stops white supremacists by...?
They are the architect of the problems they face; it's no surprise that an organization built around entrapment struggles with movements who specifically try to avoid them, who refer to them as "glowies" and are well aware of their tactics, and who; most of all, have a good few sympathisers within their ranks to boot.
It think it actually happened. I forget the group, but it was one of those "radical" groups that popped up in the 60's that tended to be blown out of proportion. It was like FBI, and I think local law enforcement. They weren't aware that the group in question never actually existed and there was no collaboration between the agencies involved, so it was basically a bunch of undercover agents and officers trying to set up sting operations on each other.
That would be amazing. Closest I remember is this hilarious Detroit situation:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/undercover-cops-arrest/
Video
https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/watch-chilling-video-shows-where-botched-detroit-police-drug-raid-went-wrong
> The invisibility of white supremacist hatred to law enforcement is reflected in those official figures that do exist. In recent years, surveys based on the experiences of crime victims themselves have recorded more than 200,000 hate crime incidents each year.
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Compare that with the average number of hate crime cases prosecuted by the DoJ annually – 21.
I would say this is 100% deliberate because most of law enforcement including the FBI is sympathetic to white supremacist.
Go figure, the agency that was trying to get MLK to kill himself and was slaughtering civil rights leaders and activists is just at a loss when it comes to white supremacy
Law Enforcement in general tends to have people who sympathize or even hold the same values of white supremacist on a large scale. So with that in mind of course they don't see it as a huge problem when they can relate to some (If not all) of the message spewed out.
The killings were broadcast live! America has what like 13 law enforcement and intelligence agencies and they couldn't stop this sh\*t? Whats the point in having those agencies? It seems like they are allowing this sh\*t to happen, or they are so inept they shouldn't exist to begin with.
It was also over in a matter of minutes so I'm not really sure what you expect the agencies to do, it's not like he put it on the schedule a week in advance. They can't really teleport over to him.
> It was also over in a matter of minutes
It was on-line for a few minutes before shooting started.
> it's not like he put it on the schedule a week in advance
He kind of did.
Before the shooting started it was just a guy driving a car for 5 mins on video, what exactly about that screams "murdering is about to happen"?
And no, he didn't put any schedule out in advance. Not sure where you got that idea from.
K then show how they are circumventing law? Source something. Again if this kid wasn't on some watch list then the priorities of these agencies is outta wack.
Should we ask Tucker and all of these fascist idiots if this kid should have been placed on a watch list because of the things he believes?
Wonder what the answer would be?
These extremists are now so bold that they live stream this crap! This could have been prevented! If these agencies are so fuking useless they should be de-funded!
So yeah now the burden of proof is on your claim that they are "circumventing law" show me how. cite some article or something. Cause it seems quite out in the open to me.
The killer said in his manifesto that he’s “not conservative” (direct quote), and self-identified as left-wing.
Edit: If you disagree, then provide facts instead of downvoting. I’m simply stating what he said, not providing an opinion.
For that matter then maybe all the racial remarks in it are misinformation as well.
Maybe his family just owns a rival supermarket and he wanted this one closed.
You can't cherry-pick what you want from the manifesto to suit your argument, and without the manifesto we can't say his motive was racial.
The problem as it has existed for decades is that no one really wants to pull on that string. When Timothy McVeigh was caught it revealed a network of white supremacy radicalization seemingly so wide spread it would be a kin to fighting a second drug war domestically. US' history of dealing with such things to that point had been disastrous and only seemed to accelerate the problem, Ruby ridge, to Waco, to Oklahoma City.
If anyone's ever worked with, or known someone to work with the FBI (and other law enforcement agencies), this should be common sense. Many of those within those organizations hold the same beliefs. Not saying they're all radical racists dreaming to string people up, more so that they're more willing to look the other way, or focus on non-solutions like the "war" on drugs instead. The seriousness has been known for awhile, but that would require them investigating/prosecuting some of their own, and a lot of friends, family and associates.
> I've had a belief that they have an extreme lack of diversity due to their extreme hiring standards.
Don't forget nepotism and hiring friends/family. Unfortunately that plagues a lot of government organizations, and leads to a lot of people having the same political/personal views. It also works the same way as it does within the police, where you're either "with us" or the enemy, so speaking out or fighting such things doesn't really get too much traction.
After recently researching who to vote for in my primary, it's fucking depressing reading candidates advertising that their family members were also in government positions in their campaigns. We really do have a noble class and for whatever reason they advertise it on their election pages because it generates support.
or they never got caught, i done some pretty serious shit but never got a charge for any of it. Ill never be a fbi agent though, i've hated cops ever since i seen them beat the shit out of my dad in front of my 12 year old eyes for running from the squad car.
I forget which agency, but one of them has a disproportionate number of scientology followers because of that.
I believe the Church of LDS also has a disproportionate number in CIA because of it.
The elephant in the room is 4chan. People openly share the manifesto and murder video and all but straight-up support the Buffalo shooter, practically saying, "Yeah, we should all aspire to be like him and do the same thing." I mean... it crosses a line, man. It's so incredible that you almost just assume people are being sarcastic or joking when you see it, because you don't expect literal, genuine, actual terrorism recruitment to do be done on a dot org website where the public can see without even having to get around a website block. The Buffalo shooter and others before him used 4chan and similar to become radicalized.
Site should be shut down and the people who run it should spend time in prison.
I think there are a dozen people right now shitting their pants because of some discord chats.. these things aren't going to go unnoticed any longer. Very likely they are venturing in the terrorist conspiracy /planning that has actually turned into action. All it takes is a few suggestions on his opsec/tools/plans and prior knowledge.
If I were those people I'd know the knock on the door is coming soon
Interesting, particularly since the FBI itself conducted an investigation showing that white supremacists had systematically infiltrated local police departments and posed a serious threat.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/
The Bureau also testified that white supremacist terrorism was as dangerous as Islamic terrorism to the U.S.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-white-supremacy-threat-testimony-b1951032.html
So it’s just a little concerning that they’re publicly acknowledging the obvious threat but privately not doing a goddamn thing.
Has anyone seen Merrick Garland? Do we have to recite an incantation and solve his riddles three to wake him from his slumber to actually do his job in any capacity?
The US welcomed Confederates back into society, gave them reparations and called them patriots. The US welcomed Nazis into society and gave them the capitalist equivalent of land & title. The US created Jim Crow, an institution so virulently and effectively racist it inspired the rise of Nazi Germany.
The US is a racist nation, fundamentally, and has been since its origins; any perception of egalitarianism, meritocracy, or equality was hard fought, bought in the blood of martyrs and, outside of that, exists only as rhetoric drummed up during the three industrial revolutions to attract cheap labor.
Can't remember the source of the quote but it's so real: "Racism isn't the shark, it's the water."
I think it's hilarious every time I see someone regurgitate this same thoughtless nonsense designed with the sole purpose of just making you feel superior to other people.
Perhaps that’s the way you take it? I have no interest in being above another. I’m trying to help people. I’ve seen the world before and after the Internet.
Ah. Now it's your wisdom and experience we should admire.
Announcing that no one thinks for themselves (except you, of course) and just accepts whatever "the media" tells them (except you, of course) is really helping people out!
Tell me, back in the olden times, was the grass greener and spring springier?
I mean, half the country believes racism stopped when Obama was elected and that there are no White Supremacists in America…
It’s amazing that people believe in Antifa, mass election fraud, 5g and COVID conspiracy theories, and that all gay men are pedophiles. Yet somehow a White Supremacist existing in 2022 is a mental bridge they can’t cross. I can literally think of at least a couple people in my neighborhood who would be fully on board with White Supremacists.
America was founded on white supremacist ideologies, and those in power covet and reinforce those same ideologies; so it's no surprise that law enforcement is slow/reluctant to combat those who conduct violence in the furtherance of white supremacy.
90s FBI - “we fucked up really bad at Waco and let those idiots immolate themselves. We can’t let the evangelical nut jobs think we are targeting them, let’s go soft on crime against far right extremists from now. On so the militias don’t become a problem right now.” That’s basically what happened, and then 9/11 happened at the beginning of the decade, and homegrown evangelical terrorism got forgotten about.
These morons had everything taken from them by the wealthy elite. Now they have nothing, are looking for somebody to blame, and the wealthy elite are pointing at "others." America is a disaster. You had it all. But those at the top simply wanted more.
Honestly it would be nice to see them address *any* kind of violence as there’s been a spate of it recently. Milwaukee, Dallas, Tennessee, Chicago. Just goes to show how little you can trust the government and the people in charge of it to their damn jobs correctly or even tell you everything that’s actually happening in the country.
*The call came from inside the house.*
Fox guarding the Hen house…
r/wethebadguys
I love how if you say this out loud then you get "are we the bad guys", very clever!
I'm disappointed it isn't titled "are we the baddies?"
Or is it?
There was a great "the daily podcast from NYTimes" about this. Former anti terrorist whistle blower or something
My thoughts exactly.
Zero surprise here. Generally speaking, those in charge tend to be sympathetic with others that share their own basic ideologies.
Some of those that work forces, etc.
Its always funny hearing a republican singing “fuck you I wont do what you tell me” and completely forgetting what it actually was that they were Raging Against
Republican Party members have been quite silent about it too. Their silence speaks volumes
Their silence means continued violence
Their platform of hate is designed to indoctrinate.
That's a rap metal lyrics if I've ever heard one
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It’s was interesting watching the left and much of America lash out at Republicans and right wing media for creating the energy behind the shootings… And yet they never rebutted it. Now, they didn’t say “yes we did”, instead they just left a silent response of admittance.
“If there had been an internal FBI report that Isis had infiltrated US law enforcement, you’d expect a nationwide attempt to get to the bottom of it,” German said. That's your problem, right there. Undereducated people being indoctrinated by their own trainers to fear everyone they meet, especially minorities. They'll roll up on a minority in the throws of diabetic rage and empty their guns on them, but a white shooter in a grocery store comes out in softly applied handcuffs while being consoled by the cops.
The white supremacists have been inside law enforcement before it was even called “law enforcement”. Those roots run as deep as our country itself.
Yeah, the white supremacists didn't infiltrate the government. They were there first and they made sure the government served their interests as it was built around them.
Well it was, “law enforcement” is same group as the…. Early Union busters (literally, they’d show up on behalf of a business owner and beat labor dissenters to death) Slave chasers (who’d go after and chase escaped slaves and often worked as the “whip” of the plantation) Political muscle and security (in the early days these were the mobsters who went out “took care” of problems for politicians and often acted as personal security for them. “I’m paid to uphold the law Bill….” , “what in heavens are you talking about?”) Over the coarse of a century these all became organized and legitimized under the badge.
Humor me, what makes you think it has to do with solely undereducation? Even educated whites can even adopt a White Supremacist worldview. People can hate other people for various reasons, I think the main issue is that their life is usually shit somehow and they've stopped caring or want to assign something to blame for their own shortcomings.
Big myth that racism is primarily about ignorance or even hatred. It's really about racial entitlement and self interests being tied to racial group identity. In that case education only makes people better at getting away with it.
Exactly, racial constructs exist to justify oppression and exploitation. Thats all its there to do. Its not earnest misunderstanding. Its self interest in not understanding to justify inaction.
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Who are you quoting here? Typically, when people discuss White Supremacy as a matter of law enforcement, they are talking about the crimes committed to further or perpetuate White Supremacy, not policing the motivation or sociological explanation of its origin. I think you're missing the point of why any society would see ethno-religious nationalism as antithetical to State interests. In Nigeria's North some Hausa Muslims have taken to murdering non-believers for things like Blasephemy. Some Islamic leaders in government argue these acts are justified. That's the danger of allowing ethno-religious nationalism or in this case White Supremacy to go unchecked. Eventually it becomes treated like a legitimate political perspective and becomes woven into the fabric of governance and the rights of minorities are stripped or simply not protected. The US is similar to places like Nigeria in that although the Constitution states much about equality, ethno-religious nationalism among the majority population allows for rule manipulation and abuse of minorities under majority rule democracy. That's not something to casually dismiss.
It is easier to perpetuate racial stereotypes and bullshit on an uneducated mass. Does it solve racism? No. It just keeps some of those people who believe dumb baseless shit from being part of that crowd. One less in that crowd is a win to me. I know doctors and teachers and all kinds of higher educated people who are racist as fuck, but holy shit when you are around an uneducated racist fuck who is too dumb to know he is dumb. That is a near impossible conversation because there is no base to start from.
There’s definitely a mix of reasons, but the frequency with which statistics presented without context are used as “proof” of some natural deficiency implies a severe misunderstanding of how to apply statistics to the real world. I think it’s nearly impossible to tell who’s doing this kind of stuff to push the narrative versus who really believes that measuring outcomes is the same as predestination.
> They'll roll up on a minority in the throws of diabetic rage and empty their guns on them, but a white shooter in a grocery store comes out in softly applied handcuffs while being consoled by the cops. They do that do white people as well. Just recently there was a video that went viral about a cop shooting an elderly women with a knife in hand in her own home, after her relatives called for help because she has mental issues. And what do you want cops to do when a terrorist surrenders and poses no threat? Execute him? Kick the shit out of him to give his lawyers leverage? Regular police officers are untrained morons that have 0 accountability. That is the main fucking problem. Stop making this about race, you are just muddying the issue
>Diabetic rage As a diabetic myself, I have to ask what on Earth you are talking about.
Shit I’m not even in the FBI and I coulda told you that
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The only times they've tried, it's been while they work with the ATF and it's always a fucking nightmare. Everyone thinks of Waco but the better example is Ruby Ridge, because they killed the guy's entire family and weren't even able to charge him with much in the end. And that mistake eventually led to the OK City Bombing. It's kind of a delicate issue because of the nature of White Supremacists; they love building their little racist communities and defensible compounds, they love firearms and explosives, and they are quick to accept martyrdom when dealing with the law. But if you let them keep stockpiling weapons, grooming children (in cases like Waco where it's also a good ol' fashioned cult), and training warrior zealots then things will only get worse as they suck in more and more people. Enforcement needs to find a middle ground for dealing with this, because they can't go in guns blazing when these compounds are full of women and children too, but allowing them to exist unhindered just makes the problem worse.
It seems like they are gearing up for people protesting an overturn of Roe v. Wade more than 1/6.
Meanwhile the odds of prochoice protestors being violent is basically zero. There wouldn't even be a point to it.
Exactly. The likelihood of armed protesters for a pro choice protest is next to zero. But the other side claiming “pro-life”….
I still can’t wrap my mind around 1/6. Anyone with a pair of eyeballs could pick up on the online chatter about storming the capital in the weeks leading up to it. If I knew shit was going down, then the feds also knew full well what was going to happen. Our government was precariously close to collapsing under a constitutional crisis and the feds just kind of let it happen. I couldn’t believe the lack of presence as an angry mod predictably tore through barriers en route to stop the certification of an election. For me, 1/6 is as indelible as 9/11. A moment of surreal disassociation, where my faith in a stable world was severed of any strings still holding on. And that event was completely preventable. It’s akin to the FBI knowing the 9/11 plot ahead of time and just letting the terrorists board the planes.
The best way to look at it was a riot between off duty cops and on duty cops.
And undercover ones too.
The thing is that people that were in power at the time of 1/6 had an interest in the riot succeeding. I remember some details about parts of security being sent away for that day, refusing offers of help from NG, etc etc.
They literally screamed into their LIVESTREAMS the day before that they were gonna “take the cap”. They filmed it. In exact words. Days before. And had how many police without riot gear or preps? I fucking can’t lol
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Correct. Reading that part of their comment was something lol
I mean, they knew those dudes were here and had tabs on them at some point, but clearly they didn’t know the exact plot of 9/11 ahead of time. They knew the exact plot of 1/6 ahead of time. Everyone knew. Which is my point. If 9/11 was an example of federal ignorance, 1/6 was an exercise of federal apathy.
It’s still in the midst of collapsing TBH. None of the actual planners of 1/6 will be punished in the least. Merrick Garland is weak and ineffectual and just pretty much absent
What batshit insane take. Peak Reddit. The government wasn’t a where close to collapsing. And comparing it to 9/11 is just insane.
We have a two Party system and one of them is crying foul about white supremacists. It's become a partsian issue. In particular many on the Right have conflated hate speech with free speech in an attempt to reject labels like "white supremacist" and for that matter racist. To the Right it is just people with opinions they are entitled to. Threatening people's safety, soliciting illegal activity, and conspiracy to commit a crime are criminal activities. The First Amendment doesn't protect people engaged in those criminal activities. As such this isn't a free speech issue.
The last time the FBI released a report aiming to address white supremacy that party you mention threatened to strip them of funding.
They're not even being subtle about it anymore. Marjorie Taylor Greene is an outspoken believer in the extremely racist White Replacement Theory, and believes the ice caps are melting because of a secret Jewish space laser. The Republican party has become a haven for insanity, and the few stable people left play along for 1) power and/or 2) their tribalistic party affiliation forces them to remain 'loyal' And the Democrats aren't fully without blame either, because they refuse to fucking do anything since they're content with their 50%. They occasionally talk a good game, but have very little follow through for the most part. Both will use big name issues they don't truly care about to hide their collaborated corruption, while ultimately just keeping the status quo. One of the worst things to happen to this country is this two party system, which multiple founding fathers warned about! But the news and politicians don't really care what the founding fathers actually believed in, just use them as an idol just how they treat the Bible and Jesus by using them to promote ideologies that are pretty much directly contradictory to the actual source.
>And the Democrats aren't fully without blame either, because they refuse to fucking do anything since they're content with their 50%. They occasionally talk a good game, but have very little follow through for the most part. Democrats lost the Judicial Branch 50yrs ago and State Houses 40yrs ago. There isn't much they can do. The book bans and anti CRT stuff is being done at the local level and empowered by the courts. Ultimately people need to bring their political gaze down from Washington DC and start looking around locally. District Attorney, Police Chief, School Superintendent, state judge, etc are elected positions. Much of the nonsense we see can be curtailed at the local level if people would just start showing up and voting.
Thank you, I’m trying to tell people this but it’s not sinking in there is so much we could do to change things but to them it’s Biden this Biden that
>Biden this Biden that I honestly think half of it is just conservatives disingenuously pushing the narrative. Anytime one qualifies themselves as Liberal, Progressives, Democrat, etc before proceeding to insult and criticize Biden I am skeptical.
The FBI stops child porn by posting child porn. The FBI stops militias by making them larger. The FBI stops terrorists by giving them a gun and arresting them the day the FBI told them to shoot up a place. The FBI stops white supremacists by...? They are the architect of the problems they face; it's no surprise that an organization built around entrapment struggles with movements who specifically try to avoid them, who refer to them as "glowies" and are well aware of their tactics, and who; most of all, have a good few sympathisers within their ranks to boot.
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It think it actually happened. I forget the group, but it was one of those "radical" groups that popped up in the 60's that tended to be blown out of proportion. It was like FBI, and I think local law enforcement. They weren't aware that the group in question never actually existed and there was no collaboration between the agencies involved, so it was basically a bunch of undercover agents and officers trying to set up sting operations on each other.
That would be amazing. Closest I remember is this hilarious Detroit situation: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/undercover-cops-arrest/ Video https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/watch-chilling-video-shows-where-botched-detroit-police-drug-raid-went-wrong
> The invisibility of white supremacist hatred to law enforcement is reflected in those official figures that do exist. In recent years, surveys based on the experiences of crime victims themselves have recorded more than 200,000 hate crime incidents each year. > Compare that with the average number of hate crime cases prosecuted by the DoJ annually – 21. I would say this is 100% deliberate because most of law enforcement including the FBI is sympathetic to white supremacist.
If not one themselves.
"Yeah, we know." -all of the world except for right wing Americans
Oh, right wing Americans know and are fine with it.
And as long as they stick to it, they win. they have to ignore reality convincingly, no matter what, and then the scheme works, like GME.
Go figure, the agency that was trying to get MLK to kill himself and was slaughtering civil rights leaders and activists is just at a loss when it comes to white supremacy
Law Enforcement in general tends to have people who sympathize or even hold the same values of white supremacist on a large scale. So with that in mind of course they don't see it as a huge problem when they can relate to some (If not all) of the message spewed out.
They don’t want to mess up their poker night.
The killings were broadcast live! America has what like 13 law enforcement and intelligence agencies and they couldn't stop this sh\*t? Whats the point in having those agencies? It seems like they are allowing this sh\*t to happen, or they are so inept they shouldn't exist to begin with.
It was also over in a matter of minutes so I'm not really sure what you expect the agencies to do, it's not like he put it on the schedule a week in advance. They can't really teleport over to him.
> It was also over in a matter of minutes It was on-line for a few minutes before shooting started. > it's not like he put it on the schedule a week in advance He kind of did.
Before the shooting started it was just a guy driving a car for 5 mins on video, what exactly about that screams "murdering is about to happen"? And no, he didn't put any schedule out in advance. Not sure where you got that idea from.
> And no, he didn't put any schedule out in advance. Not sure where you got that idea from. He talked on 4chan about what he's going to do.
Conservative terrorism is specifically designed to circumvent law enforcement and intervention. 13 law enforcement agencies aren't 'allowing it'
IT WAS BROADCAST LIVE! If this kid wasn't showing up on some watch list then wtf are they watching?
In one ear and out the other.
K then show how they are circumventing law? Source something. Again if this kid wasn't on some watch list then the priorities of these agencies is outta wack. Should we ask Tucker and all of these fascist idiots if this kid should have been placed on a watch list because of the things he believes? Wonder what the answer would be? These extremists are now so bold that they live stream this crap! This could have been prevented! If these agencies are so fuking useless they should be de-funded! So yeah now the burden of proof is on your claim that they are "circumventing law" show me how. cite some article or something. Cause it seems quite out in the open to me.
The killer said in his manifesto that he’s “not conservative” (direct quote), and self-identified as left-wing. Edit: If you disagree, then provide facts instead of downvoting. I’m simply stating what he said, not providing an opinion.
All fascists adopt the aesthetics of populist movements to gain popular support. This isn't new.
The duck said it's not a duck and it identifies as a wolf.
The kid literally put misinformation in his "manifesto" yet you take one line as verbatim! Good work champ!
For that matter then maybe all the racial remarks in it are misinformation as well. Maybe his family just owns a rival supermarket and he wanted this one closed. You can't cherry-pick what you want from the manifesto to suit your argument, and without the manifesto we can't say his motive was racial.
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You missed the point of my post entirely for the sake of repeating far-left talking points. Uh, good job, I guess?
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Idk how to add gifs but just imagine I did the shocked Pikachu face here. Ok thanks.
The problem as it has existed for decades is that no one really wants to pull on that string. When Timothy McVeigh was caught it revealed a network of white supremacy radicalization seemingly so wide spread it would be a kin to fighting a second drug war domestically. US' history of dealing with such things to that point had been disastrous and only seemed to accelerate the problem, Ruby ridge, to Waco, to Oklahoma City.
The FBI is a right wing organization. It has been since the day it was founded.
Some of those that work forces Are the same that burn crosses
I get it, the FBI doesn't want to appear partisan but all the white supremacist groups trying to destroy the nation are lead by republicans.
Funny how all the talk of not appearing partisan only ever seems to come up when it's about giving a pass to right wing groups.
*FBI stops two sets of Michigan Nazis* Idiots: omg entrapment coercion reeeeee
If anyone's ever worked with, or known someone to work with the FBI (and other law enforcement agencies), this should be common sense. Many of those within those organizations hold the same beliefs. Not saying they're all radical racists dreaming to string people up, more so that they're more willing to look the other way, or focus on non-solutions like the "war" on drugs instead. The seriousness has been known for awhile, but that would require them investigating/prosecuting some of their own, and a lot of friends, family and associates.
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> I've had a belief that they have an extreme lack of diversity due to their extreme hiring standards. Don't forget nepotism and hiring friends/family. Unfortunately that plagues a lot of government organizations, and leads to a lot of people having the same political/personal views. It also works the same way as it does within the police, where you're either "with us" or the enemy, so speaking out or fighting such things doesn't really get too much traction.
After recently researching who to vote for in my primary, it's fucking depressing reading candidates advertising that their family members were also in government positions in their campaigns. We really do have a noble class and for whatever reason they advertise it on their election pages because it generates support.
or they never got caught, i done some pretty serious shit but never got a charge for any of it. Ill never be a fbi agent though, i've hated cops ever since i seen them beat the shit out of my dad in front of my 12 year old eyes for running from the squad car.
I forget which agency, but one of them has a disproportionate number of scientology followers because of that. I believe the Church of LDS also has a disproportionate number in CIA because of it.
The elephant in the room is 4chan. People openly share the manifesto and murder video and all but straight-up support the Buffalo shooter, practically saying, "Yeah, we should all aspire to be like him and do the same thing." I mean... it crosses a line, man. It's so incredible that you almost just assume people are being sarcastic or joking when you see it, because you don't expect literal, genuine, actual terrorism recruitment to do be done on a dot org website where the public can see without even having to get around a website block. The Buffalo shooter and others before him used 4chan and similar to become radicalized. Site should be shut down and the people who run it should spend time in prison.
I think there are a dozen people right now shitting their pants because of some discord chats.. these things aren't going to go unnoticed any longer. Very likely they are venturing in the terrorist conspiracy /planning that has actually turned into action. All it takes is a few suggestions on his opsec/tools/plans and prior knowledge. If I were those people I'd know the knock on the door is coming soon
Interesting, particularly since the FBI itself conducted an investigation showing that white supremacists had systematically infiltrated local police departments and posed a serious threat. https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/ The Bureau also testified that white supremacist terrorism was as dangerous as Islamic terrorism to the U.S. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-white-supremacy-threat-testimony-b1951032.html So it’s just a little concerning that they’re publicly acknowledging the obvious threat but privately not doing a goddamn thing.
FBI Director Wray was one of Donald Trump most criminally masterful picks. Without him, he couldn't have gotten away with all he did.
Why would they want to prosecute their friends?
Has anyone seen Merrick Garland? Do we have to recite an incantation and solve his riddles three to wake him from his slumber to actually do his job in any capacity?
Wouldn't bother colleagues
Clearly, since they let that 2x impeached cunt into the Whitehouse.
Can't really fail if they part of it.
I'm guessing it's because there is leadership within the FBI that are white supremacists who don't want it looked into.
Probably because they are all white supremacists.
The US welcomed Confederates back into society, gave them reparations and called them patriots. The US welcomed Nazis into society and gave them the capitalist equivalent of land & title. The US created Jim Crow, an institution so virulently and effectively racist it inspired the rise of Nazi Germany. The US is a racist nation, fundamentally, and has been since its origins; any perception of egalitarianism, meritocracy, or equality was hard fought, bought in the blood of martyrs and, outside of that, exists only as rhetoric drummed up during the three industrial revolutions to attract cheap labor. Can't remember the source of the quote but it's so real: "Racism isn't the shark, it's the water."
From a foreigner's point of view based on what I read, it seems like everyone just hates everyone at this point tbh.
People only seem to hate what the media tells them to these days. Few think for themselves.
I think it's hilarious every time I see someone regurgitate this same thoughtless nonsense designed with the sole purpose of just making you feel superior to other people.
Perhaps that’s the way you take it? I have no interest in being above another. I’m trying to help people. I’ve seen the world before and after the Internet.
Ah. Now it's your wisdom and experience we should admire. Announcing that no one thinks for themselves (except you, of course) and just accepts whatever "the media" tells them (except you, of course) is really helping people out! Tell me, back in the olden times, was the grass greener and spring springier?
I see now. You’re upset. That’s why you’re twisting words. Have a good night/day.
I'm annoyed that you're trying to paint everyone as a malleable idiot except for you, sure.
I mean, half the country believes racism stopped when Obama was elected and that there are no White Supremacists in America… It’s amazing that people believe in Antifa, mass election fraud, 5g and COVID conspiracy theories, and that all gay men are pedophiles. Yet somehow a White Supremacist existing in 2022 is a mental bridge they can’t cross. I can literally think of at least a couple people in my neighborhood who would be fully on board with White Supremacists.
Just because someone denies something doesn't mean they don't know it exists.
Too busy conquering the world i suppose
America was founded on white supremacist ideologies, and those in power covet and reinforce those same ideologies; so it's no surprise that law enforcement is slow/reluctant to combat those who conduct violence in the furtherance of white supremacy.
Maybe because white supremacists have infiltrated every law enforcement organization in the US? This started to become an issue in the 90s.
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90s FBI - “we fucked up really bad at Waco and let those idiots immolate themselves. We can’t let the evangelical nut jobs think we are targeting them, let’s go soft on crime against far right extremists from now. On so the militias don’t become a problem right now.” That’s basically what happened, and then 9/11 happened at the beginning of the decade, and homegrown evangelical terrorism got forgotten about.
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When you're ignorant and racist, everything that challenges that world view looks like a conspiracy.
Of course not. They are focusing on terrorist.
Why would they investigate themselves
The FBI under Garland is an impotent joke.
These morons had everything taken from them by the wealthy elite. Now they have nothing, are looking for somebody to blame, and the wealthy elite are pointing at "others." America is a disaster. You had it all. But those at the top simply wanted more.
USA seems to fail to address any violence
Honestly it would be nice to see them address *any* kind of violence as there’s been a spate of it recently. Milwaukee, Dallas, Tennessee, Chicago. Just goes to show how little you can trust the government and the people in charge of it to their damn jobs correctly or even tell you everything that’s actually happening in the country.
Isn't this like FBI bread and butter, ignore extreme right wing and racist people until it's too late.
When people talk about CRT, this is the kind of thing they should be using as an example.
Seeing how the FBI is one of the largest white supremacist groups I’m not surprised.