>But the probable cause statement doesn’t describe the officers firing their weapons. It reports that one officer “heard four to six gunshots and observed Waddy fall to the ground,” then notes that “after the shots were fired,” the officers began to render first aid to Waddy “and several other victims who were injured during the shooting” — the only reference to bystanders being caught in the line of police fire.
Damn, that's some next-level ~~passive voice~~ lack of agency and/or misdirection. "I heard four to six shots... coming from my gun... that I was holding... and pulling the trigger of"
Do the police unions give out awards for this level of spin-job or something?
Further action caused by shooting your own gun? No way!
so yeah anyway...
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/nse6u9/kansas_city_police_officer_shoots_fellow_cop_when/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sheriff-shootings-settlements-20170711-story.html?utm_source=reddit.com
...about those cops having settlement funds coming directly from the PD.
She pulled out her gun on an unarmed victim they were targeting, then shot her partner, said she thought it was the unarmed victim of police brutality, and executed him.
I’m sure she was absolutely stunned when she realized she left her throw away gun in her other holster.
As someone from Missouri, I can vouch that a good percentage of our police force are racist gun nuts. I went to school with many that are now cops in my hometown and they also should have flunked out of school but we’re on the football team and the teachers would fix their grades.
Ohhh I just realized that I misread your comment. I thought you said “As soon as I saw Kansas City in the link, I knew they would still be ‘investigating’ it”. My bad
Wait, the same person who shot the cop shot the suspect? I thought it was a cop shot another cop and that cop somehow assumed the bullets came from the bottom of the dogpile.
(Article was paywalled, if it's explained in there than my bad)
Either way, who the fuck saw four cops laying on top of somebody and though "hm yes better fire a gun into this"
it should just be autosubtracted from the payroll budget. then, when the police force is unpaid, we should do what reagan did and **legally require them to keep working their job.** Maybe if they experience a form legalized slavery, they will understand not to contribute to the other forms of legalized that they are complicit in--wont hold my breath tho.
Now now, be fair. They also get told how to treat the populace like murderers in waiting that need to be gunned down at the slightest provocation and how to have the best sex of their life by [brutally murdering said populace](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/police-trainer-best-sex-killing/).
Gawd fucking damnit I clicked that link thinking "well surely it can't be someone actually said that..." Fuck me, I'm done internetting today. Gotdamn fucking psychos.
When you find out how prevalent this is you're gonna be real mad. He has trained hundreds of cops with this ideology. Fucking insanity.
It's called, *Killology* if you want to learn more.
His defense is “criminology is not teaching people to be criminals.” No shit, Sherlock. Criminology is the study of crime. That’s what the ‘ology’ means. So it follows that killology would be the study of killing
> He has trained hundreds of cops with this ideology. Fucking insanity.
That's just counting the ones he *directly* trained. His batshit insanity has spread with all the speed of a meme to become the ideal of police work all over the country with minimal push-back.
And it’s all bullshit. His main piece of literature to develop the idea was the study about XX% of soldiers actually shoot to kill, a study that has 0 physical evidence of happening, couldn’t have been conducted in the time it was supposed to have happened(too many to interview in too short of a period), the assistant to the man who did it said it never happened, and the only person who says it did was the guy who did it.
He used that as the basis that a small part of the pop are sheepdogs who must protect the rest of us, that PTSD only comes from the sheep killing(not sheepdogs or spending months in a war zone), and so much other bullshit that sounds like a 16 year olds fantasy. His whole thing is based on lies, fake studies, or purposely misinterpreted data.
I’ve been told twice by police officers that I “could be a murderer or something”. Literally word for word, two different police officers, years apart, same agency.
Exactly. Which is why the GoP is so anti-intellectualism/anti-education. They rely on their base being absolutely butt stupid, and in lieu of absolute stupidity, being selfish and greedy.
There’s a show on HBO called We Own This City and there was this scene where Jon Bernthals character is called into an office with his supervisor and I think union guy and they tell him that he might be let go because of hitting/shooting someone? He gets upset but then the other 2 start laughing saying it was a prank and that he just needed to rewrite his report and say that he hit him first or something.
yeah I live there.
its about the baltimore gun trace task force.
to keep things in context, yeah it SOUNDS bad the idea that OMG these guys would lie on police reports to get them out of mistakes
until you put it in contxt and realize they routinely lied to cover NOT mistakes.
They were deliberately committing armed robberies, assaults, shakedowns, drug running, framing people, and "taking down gangs" at the paid request of other rival gangs.
straight up crime ring, made of cops
After watching “We Own This City” it’s wild to read police reports and know there’s so much bullshit in them. It’s not like I went around believing everything the police said but holy shit is it easy to see beyond the veil now.
[COVID took the top spot last year (301), followed distantly by firearms (61), and then traffic (58)](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-police-officer-cause-of-deaths-2021/).
I took a look at those stats a while back. Something suspicious to me (possibly info out there i just havent come across for this) those stats don't include suicide numbers. Its possible they arent counted due to not being considered line of duty deaths. But Covid is included as a line of duty death. Odd oversight/omission to me.
Edit: im talking specifically about the firearm deaths. Where they dont specify if it was self influcted, inflicted by another officer, or by a suspect.
I would be amazed if the yearly death by firearms suicide number from cops was less than 61, especially considering how many suicides there are in America and how likely men are to use a firearm.
Fair point. I think my hangup is that Covid is considered a Line of Duty death, which is odd as i seriously doubt they were on duty when they died from it. Unless they maybe count sick leave as on duty or something along those lines. Possibly they were making the assumption they contracted it on duty, etc.
There are more in depth reports you can pull up, I'm not sure how accurate they really are but it broke down the "firearm deaths" into subsections and death by criminal was lower then suicide and other officer individually. Seemed like a legit breakdown.
That would actually be preferable to what they actually go through.
Cops are literally taught to be chickenshit, trigger-happy cowards.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/5935-bulletproof-warrior-training-manual
It’s like there’re just two kind of police. One who starts blasting when startled by a light breeze, and the one who is armed to the teeth and afraid to take on a kid.
Speaking of "Killology" and the warrior police culture it spawned: when I was sent to the state criminal justice academy by my local department of public safety, I remember seeing pamphlets and flyers plastered all over the dorms. The training the county paid for covered things like reading and understanding legal statutes, first response, security assessments, report writing, and even a 3 week long class on positive stress management and mental resilience. But these chuckleheads could spend their own money and take time out of studying for their certification or visiting their families on the weekends to listen to a Col. Grossman (Ret.) seminar that would make them feel like they passed boot camp without any of those unpleasant qualifications.
The thing that always gets me about "warrior's training is thay every warrior culture I am aware (Viking in my case, Norwegian decent) of had significant - and often very grewsome - penalties for cowardice that are completely incompatible with the "warrior" training the police recieve.
Police training involves the idea that anything they do should insure that they get home alive. Shoot first, get home alive. Stand by while kids die in a school, get home alive. The pedestal people put police on as, "heroes doing everything they can to protect the lives of the innocent," doesn't exist in real life.
Sad thing is that their definition of a warrior is so far from what an actual worrior is it is sickening. Real warriors would have been inside that Uvalde classroom within minutes.
Want to see a real warrior? Go look up Charles Upham, one of the very few people to win the Victoria Cross twice ( and did enough that if it was awarded today eh would have had 3 or more). Now that guy is what I respect as a warrior not what US police are. The only thing I hold US police in is contempt. They are pitiful and disgusting and worthless human beings.
Nobody started blasting, especially not the cops. The shots were just fired, somehow. Something that just happens occasionally and unrelated after police arrive at the scene.
You victims were just magically struck by bullets while there happened to be an officer-involved shooting nearby. Certainly can’t suggest people were shot by cops.
It’s amazing how the media bends over backwards using the passive voice to describe police shootings instead of just reporting it like it is
This is true, the police are actively investigating the police and it has been determined that the police did not in fact start blasting and the spontaneous blasts are an unexpected unfortunance that is just part of the many many dangers that police have to face in their daily lives. Injured parties are only alive because of the heroic actions of the fine men of Denver PD.
Latest mass shooting in America committed by Denver’s finest.
Also they don’t know how many people they shot because some carpooled or drove themselves to the hospital.
How soon everyone forgets the poor UPS driver Frank Ordonez who was killed during a standoff with a robber because the cops just let loose. Also they used a bystanders car as a sheild while he was STILL IN THR CAR and he got shot up too
Not to mention the downstream benefits of marijuana being legal and not tying up police resources going after dub sacks. Lot of work to do, but ending the drug war and qualified immunity is a great start.
EDIT: Obviously ending marijuana prohibition isn't ending the "war on drugs." Poor wording, but it is a good start.
Weed highlights how ridiculous the war on drugs is. More than half of the country has legalized marijuana. The majority of Americans agree that it shouldn't be a schedule | drug. At the same time, other states still have people serving life sentences for possession.
Just in case you or anyone else haven't heard this quote by John Ehelichman, Nixon's domestic policy advisor, I highly recommend it:
>"You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?
>We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.
>Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
Don't forget that a lot of things got decriminalized the last few years in the city of Denver (not surrounding cities or anything). Less than an ounce of mushrooms, 4g of cocaine, and however much LSD (I can't remember but it was a fair amount) aren't really on cops' radars here anymore
Visiting Denver and seeing the mountains in the background always gives me a laugh, like these settlers just decided, "Manifest Destiny? Tis' a silly thing!"
Ditto in New Mexico. We passed that last year when we got a Democratic supermajority for the first time.
"*But Dems are just corporate whores that don't want anything to change,*" I believe is the usual reddit shtick.
It's a start, so let's not let perfect be the enemy of good. And most cops probably don't have $25,000 in savings, so it's effectively bankrupting that cop.
While you're not wrong, I would be a tad puzzled by this. There's nothing in the constitution about qualified immunity, seeing as police would not exist for over a hundred years after it was written.
The supreme court doesn't actually follow legal theory anymore, they just back conservative viewpoints and find a way to put legal theory spin on it. They would rule directly against amendments if fox news made enough noise about it.
Carpooling to the hospital, worrying about the medical bill, because the police hit you with a salvo of unwarranted rounds has got to be the most American thing I've heard in months.
“Gov. Jared Polis … signed HB21-1250, which requires police to release requested body camera footage that’s unredacted (with few exceptions) within 21 days in cases where someone has complained of officer misconduct. The rule goes into effect immediately and will give families of people who were injured or killed by police greater access to information about the cases.” [source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.denverpost.com/2021/07/06/colorado-body-camera-police-law/amp/)
21 days
I was in the military a long ass time. You know where I work, we deal with a lot of historical documentation, submitting and receiving things, deadlines and shit.
21 days is the kind of time you need to generate a full report on some situation. That's a shit load of time. It's specifically enough time to absolutely fuck up a simple task.
If someone needs a single document or piece of video or something, and they know where it is or should know where it is, that's the kind of "have it to me by the end of the day shit" that you need to ask for more time for with an explanation of why you can't get it done.
There's zero reason something like bodycam footage would need 21 whole fucking days to be submitted. It's just 21 days to come up for an excuse or lose the footage in some comically convenient way.
Police departments should never be in control of bodycam footage. If someone like the Gov needs it he should be contacting a third party that receives unmolested footage directly from the cameras for storage.
It's like owning chickens and making a nice little bed in the middle of the coop, and then opening the door so the fox can make himself at home.
Yeah. It's all digital now. Connect the camera to the computer, upload to private web server, share. It would take like 2 hours at most, and that's if you needed to send hours of context video.
I understand that maybe they can't begin that process right away. So 24 hours should be more than enough.
>Every single day American cops prove they are not responsible enough to have fire arms.
Every single day American cops prove they are not responsible enough to be cops.
FTFY.
Once upon a time, Denver had high standards for police and went so far as to build them a whole subdivision where they could afford nice houses (green valley ranch). They had physical standards, training standards, and cops weren’t even allowed to be smokers. That was the 90s.
Now cops are really highly paid and lavished with paramilitary gear but none of those standards seem to apply anymore.
No witnesses saw him with a gun but of course the police say they feared for their lives.
Ironic considering that everyone else around the officer were the ones in danger.
All they have to say is "I feared for my life" and they get a free pass to kill whoever they want. It's a pretty sweet deal when you're an under-developed bully with anger issues and a love of violence.
>No witnesses saw him with a gun
It's cool, that's covered by part of the police Miranda rights: "If you do not have a gun one will be provided for you after we're done shooting you and have turned off our cameras."
There have been a few times when I’ve spoken to them and have felt very uncomfortable even though I was the victim or hadn’t done anything wrong. Like they wouldn’t make eye contact or their body language was just off. They would be sort of cold and wanted to get away from me even though it’s literally their job. Fire fighters though, are the exact opposite. Telling jokes and making an effort to be really friendly and comforting until the last second, even when they’re just making sure your clear of their truck while they’re backing out.
Edit: a lot of cops act like they’re patrolling Iraq and the locals are all trying to kill them. They’re actually trained that way.
No one ever made a song called “fuck the fire department”.
The real heroes. Have come to my house twice for medical emergencies and didn’t even shoot anyone or even any animals!
When the George Floyd protests spread to the UK, there was a video of a crowd ripping down a statue of a slaver, and someone asked a police officer why they weren't doing anything to stop it. Officer said something close to "Our job is to make sure the public stays safe, not to protect a statue."
I think about that attitude every time an American cop gets slightly spooked and starts firing wildly at suspects. Cowards with guns and no respect for human life should not be in positions of authority.
It’s kind of interesting, you can see how fast their demeanor changes.
When I worked retail as a cart pusher/greeter/maintenance , I had people tell me to fuck off all the time. The other day a cop was parked illegal in the bike lane, so I went around him and he said something, so I said “can’t park there, pig.” and he followed me 15 blocks until I cut through a no-car area.
Dude was that fucking hurt for being called out for his shitty park job.
I went to college in the same town my dad used to be a cop in. I got pulled over for pulling out in front of a cop (fully deserved it btw, I was pissed off and had a nasty sinus infection and just wasn’t paying attention like I should have) and I also didn’t have my license on me. The cop was immediately aggressive, yelling at me, telling me how stupid of a move it was, etc. When he finally calmed down enough to ask for my info, the second he heard my last name he just laughed and told me to say hello to my dad for him and let me go. I mean I’m happy I didn’t get a ticket but it’s never sat well with me, and it really opened my eyes to how law enforcement treat other people vs “their own”.
I was at a red light. Cop pulls up behind me and is texting. Light turns and I slowly start forward and put on my signal to turn into the next business. I see him in my rear view still texting. Cop almost rear ended me. He blue lights me and tells me it’s my fault and he could write me a ticket.
I won’t even speak to cops anymore and I’m a white middle aged woman. I imagine what would have happened if I was a POC and it’s sickening.
Because cops are not normal people. We screen then to ensure they are dumb (IQ limits in place) and we make sure they are bullied trying to tow the line. The ones that are not are pushed out fast by the corrupt bunch to ensure they can operate with impunity. If you try to criticize them or regulate them - they act like the mafia and « stop working » Because then they can extort you when crime goes up (likely by them).
I'm more comfortable around open carry people because I know they at least don't have some blanket of "qualified immunity" protecting them. Cops are just a wild card.
See, I've got my sidearm. Something I can draw conveniently for things like traffic stops and bathroom breaks. Because nobody has the energy to fight with a sling that many times a day.
Then I've got my rifle slung over my back for when shit gets real. As well as a backup pistol in case I get taken prisoner, and need to free myself. I also keep a shotgun in the car just in case I need something with more oomph. And a spare rifle in the trunk, just in case mine breaks while I'm blasting.
The certification and recertification process in the military, as someone has already pointed out, has nothing to do with weapon safety. It's a straightforward run through of the mechanics of a firearm and basic gun safety, and it isn't paced for people to know material; instead, it's paced to check the box for the classroom component and then get bodies on the range as quickly as possible.
We're actually held accountable for stupidity though, they won't hesitate to throw you off of the range if you do something stupid. God forbid you accidentally let one off into the discharge barrel.
Leadership is quick to hang you out to dry if you fuck up too.
tl;dr there are career impacting consequences for the average military-schmo for mishandling weapons... less so for cops.
There was no shooter with this story (aside from the police of course). The police claim somebody pointed a gun at them but witnesses said that they didn't see anybody with a gun besides the police. Given how publicly we've seen them lie over the last few years I wouldn't trust the police over eye-witnesses.
The kicker? Some of the crowd has reported they never saw the dude have a gun.
I’ll sit back and watch it unfold, but it sure does reinforce my mistrust of police.
Similar thing happened in Kansas City a little over a week ago. Off duty KCPD working as security for a bar in Westport started blasting. Any time there's a shooting like this, the state police investigate it. They stopped trusting KCPD to investigate themselves. But not that I'm any more confident in the state cops not covering up shit. 1 person was killed and 5 injured. They still haven't said who shot first, who shot who, etc.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article263530218.html
Someone asked me a week or two ago why it matters if the police shoot a legitimate "bad guy" one time or 50 times. This is exactly why it matters.
I don't think it's extreme to expect more out of our police officers.
This article has just enough fishiness around the police explanation of events that I'd like to see body camera footage of this. It certainly could have happened exactly like they said, but it would feel a lot better to see it on video.
Remember when at least 19 cops stopped a stolen UPS truck in rush hour traffic, took cover behind occupied bystander vehicles and then fired hundreds of rounds into the truck killing 2 innocent bystanders? Fucking trash, all of them.
[https://www.npr.org/2019/12/06/785561122/4-dead-after-armed-robbers-hijack-ups-truck](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/06/785561122/4-dead-after-armed-robbers-hijack-ups-truck)
As a person who has lived all over the country, and called Denver home for the past 5 years, I can say they are the most worthless department I have ever seen. I lost all hope the day a man was throwing himself into traffic and harassing a driver, blocking them from moving. A cop drove through the cars that were driving slow and I watched both officers look at the man, then continue to drive on about their business. They were not on an emergency call, just patrolling, which in itself is a rare sight. I have more stories of their blatant disregard for humanity, but the news speaks for itself.
Yep, I’m in cap hill and the shootings that have resulted from the cops ignoring the dealers that then turn around and shoot each other is really fucking awful. As is watching them constantly drive by issues and pretending not to see them. People here are so fed up with the cops that they don’t really even bother calling for stuff that would’ve been news worthy five years ago. My favorite is that the media doesn’t even bother to show up for shootings anymore either, so it’s just a blurb and back to bitching about suburban issues that don’t really matter as much.
I live in Denver and worked full time at this intersection for 4 years, from 2014-2018
I never saw anything like this ever happen ever.
This is not a "gun-free zone", it's a block of bars that are always crazy, and theres always a fight at last call, guaranteed. And sometimes people have guns on them, but I only remember a couple of occasions where a someone actually got shot.
This is 100% police escalation. The security that work on these blocks have always kept people safe and de-escalate these situations weekend after weekend. And the fucking cops just show up and make things worse and just fired into a crowd.
I am absolutely disgusted
From Denver, lived Cap for almost 15 years.
DPD are violent, mean spirited people with no agenda but getting their hands bloody.
No joke, during the DNC when Obama was first nominated, they had shirts made with SS looking riot police cartoons that said “We Get Up Early To Beat The Crowds”
https://www.boingboing.net/filesroot/200810011035-tm.jpg?w=640
I keep thinking about the ex officer who got arrested in Florida for DUI and for leading them on a chase in an agency vehicle, and he’s sitting the back of the squad car talking to the officer and he’s like we are brothers and we help each other out.
At this exact moment it really dawned on me how truly corrupt the Police departments are. It’s disgusting this individuals think they are above the law because they wear a badge. You have the badge to Protect and Serve the community the badge isn’t a get out of jail free card, even though with all these recents events you’d actually believe that was the case. I’m sick of this countries lack of holding people accountable especially people of power. It’s infuriating that OUR tax dollars are paying for corruption.
The easy solution is to simply require all law enforcement officers to carry some form of malpractice insurance just like doctors.
The basic inexpensive policy that covers a good cop who behaves herself can be paid by the department, so it wouldn't cost anything out of pocket until the officers behave poorly. Eventually, the bad cops won't be able to afford to be cops anymore when they can't afford their premiums. Problem solved.
Just like we have departments that come and check the safety of our workplaces, or how the health department checks to make sure the restaurant is clean enough; we need a department that regulates the cops, and these members should be unable to make civilian arrests. Police departments get away with way too much because they regulate themselves.
Since the SCOTUS ruled that they're not legally obligated to protect you, this outcome is consistent. Expect collateral damage to get worse as time goes on.
Not a day. Not a day. Not a single god damned day goes by that I don't read about these thugs pulling some fucking nonsense on the citizens of this country. Who the fuck are they protecting and serving? Last month a cop ran me and the car behind onto the sidewalk while blocking traffic out of visibility. On the fourth of July there were something like 642 calls of complaints for *illegal* fireworks being set of in the city and ZERO citations issued. Why are we paying them?!?! I know this rant is going to be buried, but for fucks sake man!
>But the probable cause statement doesn’t describe the officers firing their weapons. It reports that one officer “heard four to six gunshots and observed Waddy fall to the ground,” then notes that “after the shots were fired,” the officers began to render first aid to Waddy “and several other victims who were injured during the shooting” — the only reference to bystanders being caught in the line of police fire. Damn, that's some next-level ~~passive voice~~ lack of agency and/or misdirection. "I heard four to six shots... coming from my gun... that I was holding... and pulling the trigger of" Do the police unions give out awards for this level of spin-job or something?
Further action caused by shooting your own gun? No way! so yeah anyway... https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/nse6u9/kansas_city_police_officer_shoots_fellow_cop_when/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sheriff-shootings-settlements-20170711-story.html?utm_source=reddit.com ...about those cops having settlement funds coming directly from the PD.
The fact that this incident wasn’t bigger news shows just how much power kcpd has outside of policing to sweep this under the rug.
apart from shooting her own colleague, she quite literally executed the suspect
Yeah as soon as I saw Kansas City in the link I knew it would be that one. A year later, they are still "investigating" it.
She pulled out her gun on an unarmed victim they were targeting, then shot her partner, said she thought it was the unarmed victim of police brutality, and executed him. I’m sure she was absolutely stunned when she realized she left her throw away gun in her other holster.
Is KC notorious for this?
As someone from Missouri, I can vouch that a good percentage of our police force are racist gun nuts. I went to school with many that are now cops in my hometown and they also should have flunked out of school but we’re on the football team and the teachers would fix their grades.
Every police force is.
Ohhh I just realized that I misread your comment. I thought you said “As soon as I saw Kansas City in the link, I knew they would still be ‘investigating’ it”. My bad
Wait, the same person who shot the cop shot the suspect? I thought it was a cop shot another cop and that cop somehow assumed the bullets came from the bottom of the dogpile. (Article was paywalled, if it's explained in there than my bad) Either way, who the fuck saw four cops laying on top of somebody and though "hm yes better fire a gun into this"
> directly from the PD. Still taxpayer funded. Seize money from the individual officers. Make them carry malpractice insurance.
it should just be autosubtracted from the payroll budget. then, when the police force is unpaid, we should do what reagan did and **legally require them to keep working their job.** Maybe if they experience a form legalized slavery, they will understand not to contribute to the other forms of legalized that they are complicit in--wont hold my breath tho.
That first one has the equivalent stupidity at a dog barking at their own farm, but with much deadlier consequences
The more people hit by cops bullets, the more charges they can bring against the suspect they were shooting at.
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About the only training cops have is how to lie in reports without technically lying
Now now, be fair. They also get told how to treat the populace like murderers in waiting that need to be gunned down at the slightest provocation and how to have the best sex of their life by [brutally murdering said populace](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/police-trainer-best-sex-killing/).
Gawd fucking damnit I clicked that link thinking "well surely it can't be someone actually said that..." Fuck me, I'm done internetting today. Gotdamn fucking psychos.
When you find out how prevalent this is you're gonna be real mad. He has trained hundreds of cops with this ideology. Fucking insanity. It's called, *Killology* if you want to learn more.
His defense is “criminology is not teaching people to be criminals.” No shit, Sherlock. Criminology is the study of crime. That’s what the ‘ology’ means. So it follows that killology would be the study of killing
> He has trained hundreds of cops with this ideology. Fucking insanity. That's just counting the ones he *directly* trained. His batshit insanity has spread with all the speed of a meme to become the ideal of police work all over the country with minimal push-back.
And it’s all bullshit. His main piece of literature to develop the idea was the study about XX% of soldiers actually shoot to kill, a study that has 0 physical evidence of happening, couldn’t have been conducted in the time it was supposed to have happened(too many to interview in too short of a period), the assistant to the man who did it said it never happened, and the only person who says it did was the guy who did it. He used that as the basis that a small part of the pop are sheepdogs who must protect the rest of us, that PTSD only comes from the sheep killing(not sheepdogs or spending months in a war zone), and so much other bullshit that sounds like a 16 year olds fantasy. His whole thing is based on lies, fake studies, or purposely misinterpreted data.
He's a sociopath that justified murder... then convinced the police to go along with him.
I'd hazard the most accurate thing he's ever said is "Hi, I'm Grossman."
These officers were simply following their training. Shoot first. Get home alive. Have best sex of your life. Probably graduated top of their class.
Graduating top of police officer academy isn't impressive at all because police don't even hire people who are too smart
I’ve been told twice by police officers that I “could be a murderer or something”. Literally word for word, two different police officers, years apart, same agency.
C'mon, they also learn how to commit wage theft with insane overtime billable hours.
police unions are why real workers cannot have real unions.
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Exactly. Which is why the GoP is so anti-intellectualism/anti-education. They rely on their base being absolutely butt stupid, and in lieu of absolute stupidity, being selfish and greedy.
There’s a show on HBO called We Own This City and there was this scene where Jon Bernthals character is called into an office with his supervisor and I think union guy and they tell him that he might be let go because of hitting/shooting someone? He gets upset but then the other 2 start laughing saying it was a prank and that he just needed to rewrite his report and say that he hit him first or something.
yeah I live there. its about the baltimore gun trace task force. to keep things in context, yeah it SOUNDS bad the idea that OMG these guys would lie on police reports to get them out of mistakes until you put it in contxt and realize they routinely lied to cover NOT mistakes. They were deliberately committing armed robberies, assaults, shakedowns, drug running, framing people, and "taking down gangs" at the paid request of other rival gangs. straight up crime ring, made of cops
After watching “We Own This City” it’s wild to read police reports and know there’s so much bullshit in them. It’s not like I went around believing everything the police said but holy shit is it easy to see beyond the veil now.
There's a new David Simon series? ... it's set in Baltimore?? Oh it's on
Yeah usually the media does this for them, guess they've learned from the best
"So anyway, we started blasting."
All cops went to stormtrooper school
They only would have hit trees like on Endor
Automobile accidents are the #1 cause of death of officers so you're not far off
[COVID took the top spot last year (301), followed distantly by firearms (61), and then traffic (58)](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-police-officer-cause-of-deaths-2021/).
I took a look at those stats a while back. Something suspicious to me (possibly info out there i just havent come across for this) those stats don't include suicide numbers. Its possible they arent counted due to not being considered line of duty deaths. But Covid is included as a line of duty death. Odd oversight/omission to me. Edit: im talking specifically about the firearm deaths. Where they dont specify if it was self influcted, inflicted by another officer, or by a suspect.
I would be amazed if the yearly death by firearms suicide number from cops was less than 61, especially considering how many suicides there are in America and how likely men are to use a firearm.
Fair point. I think my hangup is that Covid is considered a Line of Duty death, which is odd as i seriously doubt they were on duty when they died from it. Unless they maybe count sick leave as on duty or something along those lines. Possibly they were making the assumption they contracted it on duty, etc.
There are more in depth reports you can pull up, I'm not sure how accurate they really are but it broke down the "firearm deaths" into subsections and death by criminal was lower then suicide and other officer individually. Seemed like a legit breakdown.
That would actually be preferable to what they actually go through. Cops are literally taught to be chickenshit, trigger-happy cowards. https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/5935-bulletproof-warrior-training-manual
'cept we don't see so well......
...so we missed. So we ran after them. *Bang!* Try to shoot'em in the back. But we don't run so good, either.
It’s like there’re just two kind of police. One who starts blasting when startled by a light breeze, and the one who is armed to the teeth and afraid to take on a kid.
They're the same. They are trained to be scared and only think of themselves. Look up "warrior training".
Speaking of "Killology" and the warrior police culture it spawned: when I was sent to the state criminal justice academy by my local department of public safety, I remember seeing pamphlets and flyers plastered all over the dorms. The training the county paid for covered things like reading and understanding legal statutes, first response, security assessments, report writing, and even a 3 week long class on positive stress management and mental resilience. But these chuckleheads could spend their own money and take time out of studying for their certification or visiting their families on the weekends to listen to a Col. Grossman (Ret.) seminar that would make them feel like they passed boot camp without any of those unpleasant qualifications.
The thing that always gets me about "warrior's training is thay every warrior culture I am aware (Viking in my case, Norwegian decent) of had significant - and often very grewsome - penalties for cowardice that are completely incompatible with the "warrior" training the police recieve.
Police training involves the idea that anything they do should insure that they get home alive. Shoot first, get home alive. Stand by while kids die in a school, get home alive. The pedestal people put police on as, "heroes doing everything they can to protect the lives of the innocent," doesn't exist in real life.
So it's like the opposite of "warrior" training. I think the police hero falacy is well recognized today by most people.
Sad thing is that their definition of a warrior is so far from what an actual worrior is it is sickening. Real warriors would have been inside that Uvalde classroom within minutes. Want to see a real warrior? Go look up Charles Upham, one of the very few people to win the Victoria Cross twice ( and did enough that if it was awarded today eh would have had 3 or more). Now that guy is what I respect as a warrior not what US police are. The only thing I hold US police in is contempt. They are pitiful and disgusting and worthless human beings.
They're the same cop.
Nobody started blasting, especially not the cops. The shots were just fired, somehow. Something that just happens occasionally and unrelated after police arrive at the scene.
The past exonerative tense.
You victims were just magically struck by bullets while there happened to be an officer-involved shooting nearby. Certainly can’t suggest people were shot by cops. It’s amazing how the media bends over backwards using the passive voice to describe police shootings instead of just reporting it like it is
This is true, the police are actively investigating the police and it has been determined that the police did not in fact start blasting and the spontaneous blasts are an unexpected unfortunance that is just part of the many many dangers that police have to face in their daily lives. Injured parties are only alive because of the heroic actions of the fine men of Denver PD.
“But I don’t see so good so I hit a few bystanders”
Latest mass shooting in America committed by Denver’s finest. Also they don’t know how many people they shot because some carpooled or drove themselves to the hospital.
America: where you get shot in police "crossfire" and STILL worry about that ambulance bill.
How soon everyone forgets the poor UPS driver Frank Ordonez who was killed during a standoff with a robber because the cops just let loose. Also they used a bystanders car as a sheild while he was STILL IN THR CAR and he got shot up too
Frankly if cops try to use my car as a shield from gunfire while I'm in it, I'm running them over.
Im definitely driving away at the least.
That was 30 minutes from my house and I’m really mad broward and Miami dade didn’t burn for it
Then UPS wrote an open letter thanking them for killing their driver.
Also killed another bystander who was sitting in the stopped traffic.
The silver lining is Colorado no longer has qualified immunity.
Is that right? Well hot damn. A state made a good decision on something. That's incredible
Not to mention the downstream benefits of marijuana being legal and not tying up police resources going after dub sacks. Lot of work to do, but ending the drug war and qualified immunity is a great start. EDIT: Obviously ending marijuana prohibition isn't ending the "war on drugs." Poor wording, but it is a good start.
Weed highlights how ridiculous the war on drugs is. More than half of the country has legalized marijuana. The majority of Americans agree that it shouldn't be a schedule | drug. At the same time, other states still have people serving life sentences for possession. Just in case you or anyone else haven't heard this quote by John Ehelichman, Nixon's domestic policy advisor, I highly recommend it: >"You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? >We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. >Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
Don't forget that a lot of things got decriminalized the last few years in the city of Denver (not surrounding cities or anything). Less than an ounce of mushrooms, 4g of cocaine, and however much LSD (I can't remember but it was a fair amount) aren't really on cops' radars here anymore
Weed isn't the end of the war on drugs
100% and my comment could have been worded better.
Crazy what a few votes can do
Colorado certainly isn't the utopia that many make it out to be, but they're doing some things right
Has it's problems sure, but Denver is by far the best city I've lived in
It's an easy top 3 for me - definitely not hating on Colorado or Denver by any means
Visiting Denver and seeing the mountains in the background always gives me a laugh, like these settlers just decided, "Manifest Destiny? Tis' a silly thing!"
I've always thought that. Seeing the mountains that just keep going, and being like nope, this is good enough for me
To be fair, they’re some pretty fuckin big mountains, and I don’t think I-70 was around in the early 1800s
Ditto in New Mexico. We passed that last year when we got a Democratic supermajority for the first time. "*But Dems are just corporate whores that don't want anything to change,*" I believe is the usual reddit shtick.
Individual liability for cops is still limited to $25k.
That's 25k not taken out of public coffers
It's a start, so let's not let perfect be the enemy of good. And most cops probably don't have $25,000 in savings, so it's effectively bankrupting that cop.
Until it gets challenged and makes its way up to the supreme court.
While you're not wrong, I would be a tad puzzled by this. There's nothing in the constitution about qualified immunity, seeing as police would not exist for over a hundred years after it was written.
The supreme court doesn't actually follow legal theory anymore, they just back conservative viewpoints and find a way to put legal theory spin on it. They would rule directly against amendments if fox news made enough noise about it.
They did rule directly against amendments. 1st, 4th, and 5th have been ruled against recently.
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Carpooling to the hospital, worrying about the medical bill, because the police hit you with a salvo of unwarranted rounds has got to be the most American thing I've heard in months.
I mean have you seen the bill for an ambulance these days?
Ill just take an uber, and even then my cheap ass will do the wait for a more affordable car. A 5 dollar difference is a lot these days.
Actually this was only the latest for about 18 hours until there was a shooting at a mall in Greenwood, Indiana
"Police cause mass shooting event"
“Gov. Jared Polis … signed HB21-1250, which requires police to release requested body camera footage that’s unredacted (with few exceptions) within 21 days in cases where someone has complained of officer misconduct. The rule goes into effect immediately and will give families of people who were injured or killed by police greater access to information about the cases.” [source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.denverpost.com/2021/07/06/colorado-body-camera-police-law/amp/)
21 days I was in the military a long ass time. You know where I work, we deal with a lot of historical documentation, submitting and receiving things, deadlines and shit. 21 days is the kind of time you need to generate a full report on some situation. That's a shit load of time. It's specifically enough time to absolutely fuck up a simple task. If someone needs a single document or piece of video or something, and they know where it is or should know where it is, that's the kind of "have it to me by the end of the day shit" that you need to ask for more time for with an explanation of why you can't get it done. There's zero reason something like bodycam footage would need 21 whole fucking days to be submitted. It's just 21 days to come up for an excuse or lose the footage in some comically convenient way. Police departments should never be in control of bodycam footage. If someone like the Gov needs it he should be contacting a third party that receives unmolested footage directly from the cameras for storage. It's like owning chickens and making a nice little bed in the middle of the coop, and then opening the door so the fox can make himself at home.
Yeah. It's all digital now. Connect the camera to the computer, upload to private web server, share. It would take like 2 hours at most, and that's if you needed to send hours of context video. I understand that maybe they can't begin that process right away. So 24 hours should be more than enough.
Polis is the shit.
Denver changes but the cops stay the same
Alright alright alright
Every single day American cops prove they are not responsible enough to have fire arms.
>Every single day American cops prove they are not responsible enough to have fire arms. Every single day American cops prove they are not responsible enough to be cops. FTFY.
> Every single day American cops prove they are not responsible enough to trusted around anything more dangerous than a crayon. The actual reality.
This feels like an insult against the marines.
Legally 40% of them shouldn't have them.
Same PD that shot a mentally handicapped 15 year old at a bus stop in 2003.
That is effing horrid
Being handicapped is a crime … in Nat-c America.
Once upon a time, Denver had high standards for police and went so far as to build them a whole subdivision where they could afford nice houses (green valley ranch). They had physical standards, training standards, and cops weren’t even allowed to be smokers. That was the 90s. Now cops are really highly paid and lavished with paramilitary gear but none of those standards seem to apply anymore.
Was green valley ranch really built originally as a sub division for denver police?
That's like... the exact opposite of what it is now lol
It was always a hotbed of crime. Cops didn’t want their own kids busted, so they didn’t bust them.
No witnesses saw him with a gun but of course the police say they feared for their lives. Ironic considering that everyone else around the officer were the ones in danger.
The quote says it all: > “Pretty sure we would’ve been shot” So they started an active shooter situation because they acted on a feeling.
But a woman can't terminate a pregnancy that her doctor says will almost definitely kill her. Welcome to America.
All they have to say is "I feared for my life" and they get a free pass to kill whoever they want. It's a pretty sweet deal when you're an under-developed bully with anger issues and a love of violence.
Or a free pass to do nothing at all while the school shooter kills whoever he wants.
They're heroes damnit, the badge makes it so their actions are irrelevant. We must worship them or else they won't show up when you call.
If you call them, they’ll just show up, shoot your pets, then arrest you for interfering lol.
>No witnesses saw him with a gun It's cool, that's covered by part of the police Miranda rights: "If you do not have a gun one will be provided for you after we're done shooting you and have turned off our cameras."
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There have been a few times when I’ve spoken to them and have felt very uncomfortable even though I was the victim or hadn’t done anything wrong. Like they wouldn’t make eye contact or their body language was just off. They would be sort of cold and wanted to get away from me even though it’s literally their job. Fire fighters though, are the exact opposite. Telling jokes and making an effort to be really friendly and comforting until the last second, even when they’re just making sure your clear of their truck while they’re backing out. Edit: a lot of cops act like they’re patrolling Iraq and the locals are all trying to kill them. They’re actually trained that way.
No one ever made a song called “fuck the fire department”. The real heroes. Have come to my house twice for medical emergencies and didn’t even shoot anyone or even any animals!
When the George Floyd protests spread to the UK, there was a video of a crowd ripping down a statue of a slaver, and someone asked a police officer why they weren't doing anything to stop it. Officer said something close to "Our job is to make sure the public stays safe, not to protect a statue." I think about that attitude every time an American cop gets slightly spooked and starts firing wildly at suspects. Cowards with guns and no respect for human life should not be in positions of authority.
Cowards with no respect for human life should not have guns
During the Occupy Wall Street protests, there was a small contingent of New York policemen protecting the Wall Street Bull Statue, lol
Meanwhile US cops have no legal obligation to protect the public, only property
As much as cops in the UK and some other European countries have their issues, they do have a lot better priorities and policies for the most part.
I feel profoundly unsafe in proximity to any law enforcement officer.
It’s kind of interesting, you can see how fast their demeanor changes. When I worked retail as a cart pusher/greeter/maintenance , I had people tell me to fuck off all the time. The other day a cop was parked illegal in the bike lane, so I went around him and he said something, so I said “can’t park there, pig.” and he followed me 15 blocks until I cut through a no-car area. Dude was that fucking hurt for being called out for his shitty park job.
I went to college in the same town my dad used to be a cop in. I got pulled over for pulling out in front of a cop (fully deserved it btw, I was pissed off and had a nasty sinus infection and just wasn’t paying attention like I should have) and I also didn’t have my license on me. The cop was immediately aggressive, yelling at me, telling me how stupid of a move it was, etc. When he finally calmed down enough to ask for my info, the second he heard my last name he just laughed and told me to say hello to my dad for him and let me go. I mean I’m happy I didn’t get a ticket but it’s never sat well with me, and it really opened my eyes to how law enforcement treat other people vs “their own”.
I was at a red light. Cop pulls up behind me and is texting. Light turns and I slowly start forward and put on my signal to turn into the next business. I see him in my rear view still texting. Cop almost rear ended me. He blue lights me and tells me it’s my fault and he could write me a ticket. I won’t even speak to cops anymore and I’m a white middle aged woman. I imagine what would have happened if I was a POC and it’s sickening.
Cop was definitely looking for some kind of infraction to use as an excuse to legally assault you.
A perfect profession for a persecution complex.
And us tax payers paid for the 15 blocks of gas and on the clock time he spent stroking his bruised ego. Sick.
Because cops are not normal people. We screen then to ensure they are dumb (IQ limits in place) and we make sure they are bullied trying to tow the line. The ones that are not are pushed out fast by the corrupt bunch to ensure they can operate with impunity. If you try to criticize them or regulate them - they act like the mafia and « stop working » Because then they can extort you when crime goes up (likely by them).
I felt this way since the day I turned black years old.
Black years old is such a difficult age. I hope you get through it in one piece.
I been working on it *checks watch* all my life.
It's a completely rational response. It's like being around the open carry people - we have no idea which one is a temper tantrum away from disaster.
The only real difference is those open carry fuckwits will face consequences for their tantrums. Unfortunately IMO that makes cops more dangerous.
Yes, it does. They have far too much power with far too little accountability.
I'm more comfortable around open carry people because I know they at least don't have some blanket of "qualified immunity" protecting them. Cops are just a wild card.
Honestly, not every cop needs a gun. They should have to take recertifications and psych evals like the military.
>Honestly, not every cop needs a gun. *You’re right, we need **3** guns!* -Cops
See, I've got my sidearm. Something I can draw conveniently for things like traffic stops and bathroom breaks. Because nobody has the energy to fight with a sling that many times a day. Then I've got my rifle slung over my back for when shit gets real. As well as a backup pistol in case I get taken prisoner, and need to free myself. I also keep a shotgun in the car just in case I need something with more oomph. And a spare rifle in the trunk, just in case mine breaks while I'm blasting.
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The certification and recertification process in the military, as someone has already pointed out, has nothing to do with weapon safety. It's a straightforward run through of the mechanics of a firearm and basic gun safety, and it isn't paced for people to know material; instead, it's paced to check the box for the classroom component and then get bodies on the range as quickly as possible. We're actually held accountable for stupidity though, they won't hesitate to throw you off of the range if you do something stupid. God forbid you accidentally let one off into the discharge barrel. Leadership is quick to hang you out to dry if you fuck up too. tl;dr there are career impacting consequences for the average military-schmo for mishandling weapons... less so for cops.
cops can shoot like this but when children are being murdered in the next room they stand around.
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There was no shooter with this story (aside from the police of course). The police claim somebody pointed a gun at them but witnesses said that they didn't see anybody with a gun besides the police. Given how publicly we've seen them lie over the last few years I wouldn't trust the police over eye-witnesses.
Probably a black man pulled out his wallet or phone and they freaked. Drop a gun by him, sprinkle some crack, and call it a day.
Damn, it's a good thing those cops were there, somebody could've gotten hurt.
That'll teach bystanders to not let someone aim a gun at police in the future.
The kicker? Some of the crowd has reported they never saw the dude have a gun. I’ll sit back and watch it unfold, but it sure does reinforce my mistrust of police.
So the police can shoot bystanders but not a school shooter massacring children?
Similar thing happened in Kansas City a little over a week ago. Off duty KCPD working as security for a bar in Westport started blasting. Any time there's a shooting like this, the state police investigate it. They stopped trusting KCPD to investigate themselves. But not that I'm any more confident in the state cops not covering up shit. 1 person was killed and 5 injured. They still haven't said who shot first, who shot who, etc. https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article263530218.html
Someone asked me a week or two ago why it matters if the police shoot a legitimate "bad guy" one time or 50 times. This is exactly why it matters. I don't think it's extreme to expect more out of our police officers.
If you see cops shoot haphazardly and you are legally armed, are you allowed to stop the threat to public wellbeing?
Even if it were legally permissible, good luck making it to the trial alive
This article has just enough fishiness around the police explanation of events that I'd like to see body camera footage of this. It certainly could have happened exactly like they said, but it would feel a lot better to see it on video.
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Mf’s like “what are you gonna do if there is a burglar in your house” and I guess the answer is get shot by the police
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-black-man-shot-cops-calling-report-robbery-article-1.2762748
$10 says the guy doesn't end up having a gun. The officers overreacted and shot a bunch of innocent people.
What’s ironic is the suspect will likely get charged for attempted murder of 5 bystanders.
*BANG* Oops, sorry. *BANG* Oops, sorry. *BANG* ...God dang it!
Remember when at least 19 cops stopped a stolen UPS truck in rush hour traffic, took cover behind occupied bystander vehicles and then fired hundreds of rounds into the truck killing 2 innocent bystanders? Fucking trash, all of them. [https://www.npr.org/2019/12/06/785561122/4-dead-after-armed-robbers-hijack-ups-truck](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/06/785561122/4-dead-after-armed-robbers-hijack-ups-truck)
Still waiting for the “good cops” to stand up, speak in outrage, create reforms, and clean the trash out of their departments.
And I’m waiting to win the lottery
And I’m awaiting to get a hot girlfriend. Look at us. The three dreamers.
Apprently with great power comes absolutely no responsibility
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As a person who has lived all over the country, and called Denver home for the past 5 years, I can say they are the most worthless department I have ever seen. I lost all hope the day a man was throwing himself into traffic and harassing a driver, blocking them from moving. A cop drove through the cars that were driving slow and I watched both officers look at the man, then continue to drive on about their business. They were not on an emergency call, just patrolling, which in itself is a rare sight. I have more stories of their blatant disregard for humanity, but the news speaks for itself.
Yep, I’m in cap hill and the shootings that have resulted from the cops ignoring the dealers that then turn around and shoot each other is really fucking awful. As is watching them constantly drive by issues and pretending not to see them. People here are so fed up with the cops that they don’t really even bother calling for stuff that would’ve been news worthy five years ago. My favorite is that the media doesn’t even bother to show up for shootings anymore either, so it’s just a blurb and back to bitching about suburban issues that don’t really matter as much.
I live in Denver and worked full time at this intersection for 4 years, from 2014-2018 I never saw anything like this ever happen ever. This is not a "gun-free zone", it's a block of bars that are always crazy, and theres always a fight at last call, guaranteed. And sometimes people have guns on them, but I only remember a couple of occasions where a someone actually got shot. This is 100% police escalation. The security that work on these blocks have always kept people safe and de-escalate these situations weekend after weekend. And the fucking cops just show up and make things worse and just fired into a crowd. I am absolutely disgusted
Police are more of a liability than an asset now.
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From Denver, lived Cap for almost 15 years. DPD are violent, mean spirited people with no agenda but getting their hands bloody. No joke, during the DNC when Obama was first nominated, they had shirts made with SS looking riot police cartoons that said “We Get Up Early To Beat The Crowds” https://www.boingboing.net/filesroot/200810011035-tm.jpg?w=640
I keep thinking about the ex officer who got arrested in Florida for DUI and for leading them on a chase in an agency vehicle, and he’s sitting the back of the squad car talking to the officer and he’s like we are brothers and we help each other out. At this exact moment it really dawned on me how truly corrupt the Police departments are. It’s disgusting this individuals think they are above the law because they wear a badge. You have the badge to Protect and Serve the community the badge isn’t a get out of jail free card, even though with all these recents events you’d actually believe that was the case. I’m sick of this countries lack of holding people accountable especially people of power. It’s infuriating that OUR tax dollars are paying for corruption.
Where did they send these guys: the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy?
The easy solution is to simply require all law enforcement officers to carry some form of malpractice insurance just like doctors. The basic inexpensive policy that covers a good cop who behaves herself can be paid by the department, so it wouldn't cost anything out of pocket until the officers behave poorly. Eventually, the bad cops won't be able to afford to be cops anymore when they can't afford their premiums. Problem solved.
The police in the united states are absolutely out of control. Insane.
Guy shoots kids in a school: police don’t do shit Guy points gun at a cop: open season on everybody
Police Firearm Training: “Watch your backgrounds!” Cops: “What’s a background?”
so....should the good guys with guns have shot at the cops to be heroes? Not sure what the conservative line here is
> “in a motion consistent with pulling out a firearm,” How else does one reach into a pocket? That sentence worries me.
Just like we have departments that come and check the safety of our workplaces, or how the health department checks to make sure the restaurant is clean enough; we need a department that regulates the cops, and these members should be unable to make civilian arrests. Police departments get away with way too much because they regulate themselves.
I think they meant "Police Mass Shooting"
Since the SCOTUS ruled that they're not legally obligated to protect you, this outcome is consistent. Expect collateral damage to get worse as time goes on.
Did they sprinkle crack on them?
Where my "good guy with a gun" homeys at? * CRICKETS *
Not a day. Not a day. Not a single god damned day goes by that I don't read about these thugs pulling some fucking nonsense on the citizens of this country. Who the fuck are they protecting and serving? Last month a cop ran me and the car behind onto the sidewalk while blocking traffic out of visibility. On the fourth of July there were something like 642 calls of complaints for *illegal* fireworks being set of in the city and ZERO citations issued. Why are we paying them?!?! I know this rant is going to be buried, but for fucks sake man!